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It's a sense of relief that he's going to be gone | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
and that's going to be taken care of. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
This is justice. They were evil kids. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
Hope is a wonderful thing, but never lie to yourself. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
I can just tell you what I saw, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
a kid trying to be strong for his family. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
Mama, mama. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
No, sister. He says mama already, he says daddy already, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
he doesn't say sister. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
When's all your testing end? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
-Thursday. -Thursday. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
OK, so you know I'm not going to be around on Thursday, right? | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
And you know why, right? Why? | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
Execution? | 0:02:00 | 0:02:01 | |
Yes. And do you understand about the execution? | 0:02:03 | 0:02:10 | |
What's going to happen? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
He's going to die. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
Who's going to die? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
-Richard. -And do you know how? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
No. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
-Do you want to know, cos you know I'm going to be watching it? -Yes. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
OK, so they have him laying on a table | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
and I walk into this small room and he will have | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
his arms and legs kind of attached to the table. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:39 | |
Richard will have a chance to talk and say some things if he wants to. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Then after he's done, if he does say anything, then they'll put a | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
drug in his arm. That's a drug that stops his heart and stops everything | 0:02:47 | 0:02:54 | |
in his body. He goes off to sleep and doesn't wake back up. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
How do you feel about that? Are you OK with that? | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
I mean, well, it should be done because, I mean... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:11 | |
I don't know. It should happen, it should be done. I don't know! | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
BABY CRIES | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
It should be done, you are correct. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
Do not be afraid to speak how you feel. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
It was a robbery and then it turned into a kidnapping where, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
you know, three people were forced into a car at gunpoint. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
And it turned into a murder. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
It turned into, you know, an attempted triple murder. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
You know, in the beginning of that, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
the course of that crime, that was not planned. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
You know, it really should've never gotten to the point that it got. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:05 | |
And, you know, I'm so sorry that it got to that point. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
I really can't make excuses for it but... | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
'Today's date is September 3rd, 2002. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
'And we are in Cherokee County Sheriff's office. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
'Present in the room are myself and Richard Cobb. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
'I've got a warrant for your arrest for offence capital murder. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
'What can you tell us about that?' | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
TV REPORT: 'In 2002, Richard Cobb and Buenka Adams kidnapped | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
'three people from a convenience store in Rusk. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
'One of their victims wound up dead and Cobb and Adams, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
'aged 19 and 20 at the time, were sentenced to death for his murder. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
'Adams was executed in April last year, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
'now Richard Cobb faces death by lethal injection on Thursday.' | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
I was 19 and looking for a job and never had worked | 0:05:01 | 0:05:06 | |
a day in my life, so I got the job at the convenience store. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
And it was my third day on the job, I was still in training. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
Candace, my friend that was training me, was in the store also. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
'Last night, September 2nd, did you and | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
'Buenka Adams talk about robbing the BDJ store?' | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
'Yes.' | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
We had a gentleman that would come into the store. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
His name was Kenneth and he would come in and help us | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
take out the trash and help sweep the floor. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
The whole wall is our family. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
Here's Kenneth. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
I think that was his junior year in high school. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
Kenneth had a car wreck at the age of 19. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
Kind of set him back to where he had to start life over | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
and relearn to tie his shoes and walk and eat and speak and all that. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
Right now, as far as I'm concerned, he's still here with us. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:13 | |
This is a 12-gauge shotgun. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
It's typically used for hunting animals, big game. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
'Did Adams have the shotgun when he went through the front door?' | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
'No.' | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
'No, OK, so you had the shotgun?' | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
'Yeah.' | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
I'd have been glad to put them to death. Naturally. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:45 | |
You said you didn't want to get into those feelings. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
Well, I, no. There were several... | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
-Be careful. -Yeah. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
The two guys that went in to rob the place didn't know Kenneth was there. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:07 | |
When they approached the girls, there was two girls working | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
and Kenneth heard them talking | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
and he came from the other side of the store and said, what's going on? | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
'OK, Richard. let's start back at the beginning. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
'So Adams went in first, what did you do?' | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
'He grabbed the cash and stuff and he kept on looking at me | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
'for some kind of approval, or whatever. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
'Then he said, "All right, get the keys, we're going for a ride." | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
'What happened after y'all got in the car?' | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
LABOURED BREATHING | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
'Take just a second, Richard. Catch your breath.' | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
'Then we went down some back road.' | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
It was a full moon that night. As we were going down this road, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:14 | |
it felt like we were, like, 100 miles away from anybody. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
When we pulled up down here, this is where we parked the Cadillac. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
We get ten yards away from the car... | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
Richard was standing there with the gun pointing towards me. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
Buenka had told me to get on the ground. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
And I was raped by Buenka. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
To load the shotgun you put the shells in, into the chamber | 0:08:47 | 0:08:53 | |
and pull it back. It brings one into the chamber | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
and then loads into the barrel and it's ready to shoot. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
They had told us to get on our knees and face that direction. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
Kenneth was back there a few feet behind me, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
and they just told him to sit still. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
'He said, "You take out the first one and I'll take out the second two." | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
'So, in my shotgun, I couldn't really see too good | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
'and plus I didn't want blood splattered all over me.' | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
I can remember Kenneth just saying, "Man, I'm ready to go home. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
"Why don't y'all just let us go? This is just crazy." | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
He had no clue what they were doing. Next thing I know, the gun went off. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
I hear Kenneth, "They shot me. They got me. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
"Oh, my God, y'all hit me. You shot me." | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
'I heard Kenneth...start screaming.' | 0:09:41 | 0:09:48 | |
'You fired once, hitting Kenneth? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
'And he fired several times, hitting the girls? | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
Once you shoot the gun, the shell's spent, you eject it, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
it comes out, the other one's ready to go in. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
The impact threw me forward and it felt like my left shoulder | 0:10:08 | 0:10:15 | |
was blown off and my body was ringing all over. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
'Buenka Adams and Richard Cobb shot all three of their victims. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
'Kenneth Vandever was killed and 23-year-old Candace Driver | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
'and 19-year-old Nikki Ansley were left for dead, but they both | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
'managed to get to their feet and run to nearby homes for safety.' | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
I wish I could just go to sleep and never think of all of it again. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
I have dreams of being shot all the time. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
I sit in a cage pretty much 22, 23 hours out of every single day. | 0:10:54 | 0:11:00 | |
Get to go out to a barren day room and spend an hour doing chin-ups. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:05 | |
Or whatever exercise. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Or, you know, walking around, mainly just pacing around. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
You can make excuses all day long but, you know, it-it-it happened. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
What's done is done, it can never be taken away, you can't change it. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
You know, always at the forefront of my mind is | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
there's not going to be any second chance, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
the State doesn't care to rehabilitate me, you know? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
I'm an un-regenerable speck of cancer that needs to be | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
excised from humanity before I grow and develop into something darker. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
Like tomorrow, it's very likely that I'll be executed. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
You know, as we speak, you know, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
I've been awake for something like 37, 38 hours. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
For the past probably two weeks, you know, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
I've spent a lot of time just retreating into myself, | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
trying to divorce myself from, you know, this forum. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:05 | |
You know, from this mortal coil and just | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
trying to renounce a lot of it and trying to | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
get ready for whatever type of transcendence might come, you know? | 0:12:12 | 0:12:18 | |
And just try to detach yourself from all the attachments, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
the desires, you know, the anger, the resentment, the remorse. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:31 | |
HE SIGHS | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Yeah, I'm angry. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
I'll always be angry. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
I wish that I could say that I'm the mum, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
that I forgive and could forget. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
I can't forgive this, I don't want to forgive this. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Put yourself in my shoes. If it was your child, your father, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:08 | |
your mother, your infant, what would you want? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
It's a nightmare we all relive. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
It will never go away, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
just because the second one's being put down | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
does not mean that it's over. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
We always look over our shoulder now. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Once something like this happens to you, or an immediate family, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
you always look over your shoulder. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
I cannot comprehend any parent, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
if something like this happen to their child | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
and not want them dead. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
And sometimes maybe I'm too direct but, you know, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
if you had a child, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:52 | |
or do you believe in the death penalty yourself? | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
Good. Do you believe in it? Do you believe in it? | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
I don't really discuss it, sorry, it's kind of an impartiality thing. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
Well, do you have a child, a young daughter? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
I can't discuss it, sir, I'm sorry. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
I mean, if I interviewed next week someone who's for, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
-against the death penalty, I mean. -Yeah, well, maybe, you know... | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
She doesn't want somebody to go through what she went through | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
to realise what the death penalty's about. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
That's all I can say. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
-Thank you so much. -Thank you. -Thank y'all very much. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
Mama, is Richard going to get executed at the same time Buenka did? | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
-And what does executed mean? -Die. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
And it's exe-CU-tion. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
-Execution. -Very good. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
An offender's day on execution starts around 7.00, or 8.00am. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:08 | |
That's when a special visitation would begin. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
That time is extended so family and friends would be | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
able to come in and have a long extended stay with that individual. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
There is going to be correctional officers that are nearby, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
constantly documenting what that individual is doing. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
A little bit before noon, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
the person is transported to the Huntsville Unit. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
The offender will then be unloaded, finger printed, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
and then they're placed in a small holding cell that's | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
just outside the execution chamber. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
Sometimes they're quite talkative, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
other times you have individuals that don't speak at all. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
And do people get upset? | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
In what respect? | 0:15:57 | 0:15:58 | |
Emotional. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
Very rarely. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
'Tonight here in Huntsville, Texas, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
'the execution capital of the United States, a man by the name | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
'of Richard Cobb will be murdered by the State of Texas.' | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
-RADIO: -'Richard Cobb has been under what's called the death watch | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
'for about three days. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
'The prison tells us he's been spending a lot of time | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
'visiting with his family, he's also been writing notes, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
'but we don't know who those notes have been to, or what they've said. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
'He's been consulting with his lawyer. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
'One of Cobb's two living victims, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
'Nikki Daniels, is here to witness the execution. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
'We're also expecting to hear from family of Ken Vandever, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
'he was the man who was killed in that 2002 robbery. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
'Earlier in this newscast...' | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
As far as the punishment, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
I can see both sides of people's thinking about the death penalty. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
I think in cases such as this one | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
where it is totally clear cut... | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
I think that the death penalty was definitely in order. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
I just wished it hadn't taken so long. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
About 4.45, the US Supreme Court reviewed the appeal and | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
they subsequently denied that appeal. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
So at this point, we'll be moving forward with | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
the execution a little after 6.00pm. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
Right now, Cobb is in a holding cell just outside the execution chamber. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
He's about 15 feet away. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
He's making telephone calls again to family and friends, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
there's also a spiritual advisor that's there, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
and he'll also have an opportunity to meet with his attorney as well. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
-Thanks, guys. -Thanks, Jason. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
I have been thinking that he may ask for forgiveness, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
so I have decided that I'm going to carry in a paper with me. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:52 | |
And nobody knows this yet. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
I'm actually going to have to fold it up real small | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
and put it down there where it's just not real noticeable. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
Cos nobody knows and I don't want anybody to know in the actual | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
walls of the execution room that if he does present it | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
then I'm going to hold up my sign and have it on the window... | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
that says that. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
OK, y'all ready? We all need to go. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
You don't have anything in your pockets? | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
There is nothing left standing in the way. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
A Cherokee County man will die for murder, kidnapping | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
and sexual assault. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:34 | |
We're going to have the latest on the execution of Richard Cobb | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
coming up in a live report. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
Brooke says as soon as you find out he's officially dead, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
even before cut-in, let her know. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
We typically hear that the execution's going to move forward | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
from the Warden's office. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
At that point, I'll let the media know. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
We'll then walk over from our office across the street | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
into the Walls Unit. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
-PROTESTOR: -'The murder of Richard Cobb is about to begin | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
'in The State of Texas.' | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
The Warden will walk back to the area where the offender is | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
being held and he'll tell the offender it's time. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
They will open up the door and the offender will walk out | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
and go into the execution chamber. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
There's a small step that they'll get up | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
and then get on the gurney and lay down. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
They're strapped in. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
A special team will then come in and insert the IVs | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
into the individual's arms. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
Once all of that is up and operational | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
then the witnesses are brought in. The door is shut. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
The Warden will ask the offender if they have any last statement. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Once he's finished, then the drugs begin to flow. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
Killing me is not going to give anyone the peace | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
that they're looking for. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
All it's going to do is continue the cycle, the cycle of violence. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
It's not going to stop, you know, it's just going to continue. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
There's not going to...from every negative situation, from every | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
dark situation, there's room for growth. No matter what it is. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
All of the anger, all of the pain, all of the hatred, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
that's never going to go away, it's, it's always going to be there. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
If they kill me, it's always going to be there regardless. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
What's done is done, it can never be taken away. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
It felt like my left shoulder had blown off | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
and my body was ringing all over. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
I watched them walk over to me and as they were standing over me | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
they said, "Are you bleeding, Nikki, are you bleeding? | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
"If you don't answer us we're going to blow your head off." | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
I never moved, never answered them. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
And they kind of nudged me with their foot. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
And then they just kicked over and over and over again. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
It felt like they would never stop kicking. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
When they finally got done kicking, they had | 0:21:37 | 0:21:43 | |
squatted down to where my head was and they had | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
picked my ponytail up, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
to pick my head up off the ground. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
And they got real close to my face | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
and got this lighter down within three inches | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
of my eyes and I can still feel the heat coming off of that lighter. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
I remember looking at both of them and seeing four eyes staring | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
right back at me and they were just staring at me. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
After a few seconds they said, she's dead, we can go. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
OK, can you please say and spell your first and last name? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Sure, it's Jason Clark, J-A-S-O-N, Clark, C-L-A-R-K, | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
Spokesperson for The Texas Department of Criminal Justice. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Richard Cobb was executed tonight | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
and he was pronounced deceased at 6.27pm. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
I had these gut feelings that I thought | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
he was going to be remorseful, I thought he was going to be apologetic, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
I thought he was going to, or I was hoping he was going to address me. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
If he was going to ask for forgiveness, I was going to let him | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
know that I forgive him. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
Cobb did make a last statement. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
He said, "Life is death, death is life, I hope that some day | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
"this absurdity that humanity has come to an end, life is too short. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
"I hope that anyone that has negative energy towards me | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
"will resolve that, life is too short to harbour feelings of hatred | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
"and anger, that's it." | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
He then lifted his head and said, wow and used an expletive | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
and then lost consciousness and was pronounced deceased at 6.27pm. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
So I gather this is too easy for him, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
think it should have been, you know, tougher? | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
Well, if I had a say and the law could change for what | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
I said, it was way too easy. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
Yes, it needs to be harsher and I think all of our kids in schools | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
and all need to see it, maybe then it would turn them | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
away from wanting to do any of this crime. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
Do you think it ought to be televised? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
No, it needs to be done on a courtroom lawn. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
Courtroom lawn. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
And if you want to do that, let's do it half-time at the football games, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
hope we can get some people there then. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
Whenever it was his last breaths, he turned to my direction | 0:24:35 | 0:24:41 | |
and was not looking directly at me, but was looking my way where | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
he could see me and I'm glad that he did because it, yeah... | 0:24:45 | 0:24:53 | |
I'm glad I was the last visual he probably | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
-saw in there before he died. -Yes. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
I did not show him my sign. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
I did not feel that he deserved to know that I forgave him, he did | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
not deserve anything, he deserved to be... | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
..die brutally and he didn't. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
-So now we're going to go eat dinner. -Have a drink. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
And celebrate. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:38 | |
Is there anything that you would like to say to the Cobb family? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
We don't know any of the Cobb family. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
The process we've been through makes you... | 0:26:03 | 0:26:10 | |
It has changed us and it makes you hard. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
We certainly know how they feel, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
because we have lost a son as well. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
And it hurts. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
-Let's go. -Thank you for being here. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
When he found out that the stay did not go through he called me | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
at 5.30 and he said, Mom, he said, it's on, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
he said I didn't get a stay, he said now you listen to me. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
And Richard, when Richard would get nervous, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
or scared he'd talk real fast. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
He said, understand, Mom, this was not your fault. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
I love you, I have always loved you, I will love you beyond. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
But he said do not think that this | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
was your fault, it was a bad decision that I made. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
He dreamed every night of that murder. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
He would see it all act out every time. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
Your State has executed 234 death row inmates, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
more than any other Governor in modern times. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
What do you make of that mention of the execution of 234 people | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
drew applause? | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
I think Americans understand justice | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
and it's a State by State issue. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
But in The State of Texas, you kill one of our children, | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
and you kill one of our citizens, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
you will face the ultimate justice and that is you will be executed. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
My school, all they know is that there's a family emergency | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
and I'm just going home, they're not going to find out what it is. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
They, they're all assuming that maybe, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
like they're all assuming that it's maybe, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
like a sibling has some type of terminal disease, or cancer | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
and we're just waiting for them to, like take their last breath. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
I don't want this to affect me throughout my college career, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
people finding out what it is and oh, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
I'm that girl whose brother's on death row. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
I don't need people's pity because of my brother, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
I want them to treat me as I am, or how I act at school, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
I don't want them to think of me any differently. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
My parents provided me with every opportunity, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
they gave me what I needed to make good decisions, I choose to make bad | 0:29:30 | 0:29:35 | |
decisions and that's me and I place no blame on no-one else but me. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
Well, I'm in a hotel right now. I'll be here for like a week | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
until all this is over. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
I know that this is overwhelming but, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
-um, Anthony really stands out from... -OK. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:15 | |
..from a lot of the clients I, I've seen and I, I can't predict, | 0:30:15 | 0:30:21 | |
as much as I know about the case it's, it's very difficult, um... | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
OK, well you know you can call any time, Mr Ellis. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
His attorney, Mr Richard Ellis, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
he's actually taken Anthony's case personal, he believes that he should | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
not be on death row, he said that it could go to the wire, meaning | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
to the end on, on Thursday, but he | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
believes that he should get a stay. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
You know, we, we still have 72 hours, you know, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:54 | |
before it happens, I mean we're still counting down. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
Barring any last minute intervention, Houston cop killer | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Anthony Haynes will be executed by lethal injection. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
Haynes is on death row for the 1998 shooting of off-duty officer | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
Sergeant Kent Kincaid of The Houston Police Department. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
The officer WAS off-duty but pulled Haynes over, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
identified himself as a police officer, was reaching for his | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
badge in his back pocket when he was shot by Haynes in the left eye. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
I think it's easier to be in prison on death row as a younger | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
person because you haven't experienced life, you don't | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
have the, you don't have, I wasn't married, I didn't have kids, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
I did, I got to experience life on a certain level, but I wasn't grown. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
In my dreams, it's all about the past, even though | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
consciously I don't think about it, I dream about old friends, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
old family members, high school, eating good food, you know, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
spending time with my friend, my girlfriend and family, you know? | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
It's all about the past, always. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
As a kid, he played soccer. He played a little | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
flag football, and he was always involved, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:20 | |
really involved, deeply involved in the ROTC programme, so whenever they | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
had summer camps, or things to do, he would always be involved in that. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:29 | |
Most of the kids who get into that programme, those programmes, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
are geared to go toward, to the military when they, when they | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
graduate from high school and Anthony was on that road. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
You know, when I found out what had happened it's just, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
it's just, you know, hard to accept, hard to accept. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
EDIS presented Kincaid's mother with his cap, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
his wife was presented with The United States flag. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
Kincaid's brother-in-law read a statement | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
prepared by the officer's widow, Nancy. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
"For the people that didn't know Kent very well | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
"he was truly a wonderful person. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
"His family always came first, he loved hanging out at home | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
"with me and the girls, he loved his job, he loved the challenge | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
"of the job and the satisfaction of helping other people. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
"Thank you for your thoughts and prayers." | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
I feel like I don't really remember my Dad. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
But, like, it's like wanting that | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
relationship, I think, more, that makes me sad now. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
I think about a lot when I someday get married, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
he won't be there to walk us down the aisle. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
Yeah, I... | 0:33:55 | 0:33:56 | |
I just get mad about missing out on everything with him. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
I would say not a single moment goes by that he's not on our mind, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
or something reminds us of him, or we wish that he was here, | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
and people always ask, like what it, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
what it's been like growing up without our dad? | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
And I always kinda say, like we're still growing up without our dad. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
I mean, I still have dreams about him | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
and I'm almost mad at him, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
because he doesn't realise how much we've missed him. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
And he, or he doesn't realise how long he's been gone. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
It was May 22nd 1998 and Kent and I, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:24 | |
we were invited to some friend's home. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
For some reason he was, like you know, I'd really like to stay home. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
I said you know, we don't, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:33 | |
we don't get out very much, we don't socialise with our friends | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
as much as we used to, we need to do this, you know? | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
So, we decided to go to a local sports bar, which was | 0:35:41 | 0:35:48 | |
just across the highway, not, not too far. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
Within, I don't know, a minute after we left, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:57 | |
we had turned down the street and a truck had passed us, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:03 | |
a pick-up truck | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
and something hit our windshield. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
So, my husband decided well, he turned around and he followed them | 0:36:12 | 0:36:19 | |
and we did not know that these kids had been out | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
earlier in the evening robbing people at gunpoint. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:28 | |
He followed for, for a while, they said it was 13 blocks, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
so I finally turned down the street, let him pass. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
The guy immediately follows me into the street and blocks me in a | 0:36:43 | 0:36:49 | |
driveway at a perpendicular angle. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
So, put my truck in reverse and | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
I jumped over the kerb and we end up being driver's side, the driver's | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
side. He comes to me and he's talking about my window. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
I'm, like the window what? | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
He's at least six feet tall and he says, I'm a cop, | 0:37:07 | 0:37:13 | |
but as he says I'm a cop, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
he reaches for his hip, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
I can't see what he reaching for, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
but just my personal life experience tell me he's going for a weapon. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:27 | |
So I fire one shot. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
-GUNSHOT -Ready! Aim! | 0:37:30 | 0:37:35 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
My husband was just laying there on his back | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
not moving. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
So, I didn't know what to do, I started to, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
I just started screaming for the neighbours to come out. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
And I, I mashed the gas, I mean I, I put it in first and I hurried up | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
and got and I got up off that street. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
As I came round the corner here, I saw the vehicle parked, | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
turned out to be Sergeant Kincaid's jeep. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
I saw a male laying on the ground in the middle of the road right | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
here and there was a female that was, um, cradling him | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
and was crying and screaming. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
Yeah, he was laying here, I reached out and grabbed, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
checked his pulse. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:43 | |
She was sitting right here cradling his head, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
I checked his pulse real quick, he did have a faint pulse. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
Um, when the hospital helicopter came and they airlifted him, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
I stayed back to answer questions as best I could, | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
um, cos I was a witness to everything | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
and then we went to the hospital. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
His condition was very grave, he had a gunshot to his, to his head, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
right between his eyes, um, was laboured breathing, it was, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
he was obviously losing life very quickly, you know? | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
It was a, it was a horrific scene, for sure, | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
especially when you find out it's an officer that's down then absolutely, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
I mean it's, yeah, it's a brotherhood, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
somebody gets hurt and you feel it. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
Lots of police officers were there | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
and doctors were there | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
and they told me that there was...they couldn't save him. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:54 | |
There's nothing they could do. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
I told them the next morning. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
They were so little, I just don't understand why, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
I mean they didn't understand. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
It was, it was hard to tell them, but I had to, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
I mean you have to do what you have to do. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
I haven't kept count of how many journeys I've made to visit Anthony. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
They search your car, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
search everything in it, you, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
you have to have your whole body searched and I can't touch him, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
I haven't been able to touch him in 13 years. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
He, like, kind of lives are family spirits. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
Like, we're supposed to be his anchor, he's like ours. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
I try to leave things on a happy note, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
because by the end of the visit, as to getting a little teary, but it's | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
like, deep breaths and I'm fine and then I try to leave with a smile. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
I want him to see me leave with a smile. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
I make sure the last thing he saw of me was a smile. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
We had a great visit, yeah, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
we took pictures and he talked about when he was young, | 0:41:54 | 0:42:01 | |
some of his youngest memories. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
-So his spirits were good? -Oh, always, always in good spirits. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
As crazy as it may sound to some, I firmly believe that five | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
years ago God spoke a word to me | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
and God told me you're not going to die there, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
you're not going to die there. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
I know, I know for some people they looked at me, how can he say that? | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
I have no doubts, I've been serving God long enough, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
God does not lie, so... | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
So tomorrow, your visit tomorrow is the last | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
opportunity you'll have to talk to him? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
-Correct. -OK. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
But I don't feel it's my last opportunity, I mean, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
I honestly believe that I will see him next week. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
'I only have one friend | 0:43:10 | 0:43:11 | |
'that actually stayed there with me from day one.' | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
He's in good spirits, | 0:43:17 | 0:43:20 | |
he's very positive about the whole thing | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
and, I mean, it's good to see, but... | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
I don't know, it's kinda scary at the same time. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
You could have a negative outlook or a positive outlook. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
My outlook is always positive. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
I didn't expect it to come this close, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
but I have a hopeful expectation I'll get a stay | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
and Friday, I'll still be alive. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:52 | |
And when that happens, I give all glory to God. Nobody else. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
Not a man, not a court, all glory to God, you know? | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
I just... I don't want to see him... | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
I don't want to see him die. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
Hi, Mr Ellis. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
The Board of Pardons and Paroles, | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
that was the clemency, right? | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
OK. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:30 | |
My mum, she's having a hard time dealing with this. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
My mum does not share the faith that...that I have. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:43 | |
I think she believes, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
but not on the same level that I do. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
So there's still that doubt in her mind. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
She's preparing for the worst and hoping for the best, you know? | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
The Board of Pardons and Paroles, | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
they just denied his clemency. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
So now it's up to the Supreme Court. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
The Governor can give a stay. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:08 | |
He's only done it once in his 248 executions, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:16 | |
but anything's possible. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
I will. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:22 | |
Bye. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
I got to stay strong for Alie. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
Oh! | 0:45:31 | 0:45:32 | |
This is so difficult. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
'To determine death, jurors must decide if Haynes is a future | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
'threat to society and that nothing mitigates against the death penalty.' | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
He looked like a little kid back then, you know. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
He was 19 years old, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
but he looked to be about maybe 16 or 17, the way he looked. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
It's amazing, here in Texas, a lot of things | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
go on in courtrooms that probably wouldn't go on in other places. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
The judge that was presiding over the jury selection was, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:21 | |
you know, cleaning his gun in court, you know? | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
That kinda gave me a premonition | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
as to how things would wind up | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
in the courtrooms here in Harris County. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
And I think the defence team did not do their job. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
'On the day of his sentencing he told the judge | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
'he still had his faith in God and when he left the courtroom | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
'he threw up his hand in the air and gave a wave to his family.' | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
People, when they're born into this world, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
they're not born to be killers, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
I don't think. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
So at the time when I would think about Anthony as a little boy, | 0:47:15 | 0:47:20 | |
I thought, I don't think his family even thought that he | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
would grow up to do something like that, you know? | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
He was probably a good little boy, | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
you know, a sweet baby. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
Am I relieved with the punishment? | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
I don't know if that's a good word to say. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
Our feelings are very torn when it comes to death row | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
because, on one hand, you think that you're going feel this, | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
like, huge sense of relief and part of you does | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
because you know you will never have to encounter him again. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:59 | |
But then, of course, on the other hand, we're human beings. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
Like, you do feel guilt and you feel... | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
I mean we probably feel more remorse for him | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
than he does for us, I don't know. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
But...it's a lot of mixed emotions. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
You don't know what to feel | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
and you're kind of just angry that you have to feel any of them. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
I don't think I'm going to die tomorrow. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
I don't believe that at all. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
I'm looking forward to the fried chicken | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
and the telephone privileges, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:46 | |
so that's what I'm looking at right now, you know? | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
I'm not worried at all. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
I'm praying for you. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
I made arrangements today. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
I pray to God it doesn't come to that. Yeah. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:09 | |
And I'm just... My aunt and Donald will handle the obituary, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
or whatever anybody wants to help. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
I can't do that, I can't deal with that. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
I mean I want it to just... just hurry up and | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
get it over with if it did came to that on Saturday, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
or Monday but, you know... | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
Donald wants to allow for people to come | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
in town and I'm like, "Where have these people been for 13 years?" | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
I mean, why are we waiting for people to come in town? | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
But I know that's selfish. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
'Tomorrow, I've been designated as...' | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
..one of the witnesses, should the execution occur. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:50 | |
And it was very hard for me at first to make that decision. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:56 | |
But, you know, | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
I'm Anthony's father | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
and I love Anthony and we have a spiritual connection | 0:50:01 | 0:50:06 | |
and I'm going to be there for Anthony till the end. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
Till the end, I'll be there. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
If you were at worship on Sunday, you know that sister Pauline read | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
a letter on behalf of brother Anthony Haynes. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:27 | |
We are praying for his mother, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
sister Patricia Davis who is here on tonight, amen? | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
CONGREGATION: Amen. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
And, what I want to do, I want us to stand | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
-and pray as a church family, for sister Davis, amen? -Amen. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:41 | |
Amen. Because we just learnt | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
that God is able to do anything but fail, amen? | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
Then God, we come with a special prayer request. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
We've been fasting and praying, believing for brother Haynes. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
God, we pray now for sister Davis, God, | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
and the remainder of their family. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
His father and those others who are affiliated. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:05 | |
God, we know that nobody can do anything like you. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
So God, we pray now, by your divine will, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
if it's your will, that you deliver like only you can. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
And God, we know that you're able, if you only would, God. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
God, we pray for your mercy, like only you can. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
We know that you are able, Lord God. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
And we can get a miracle, O God. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
God, we pray now that you touch the hand of every judge, | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
or anybody else who has anything to do with the case because, God, | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
we know that you are a lawyer who's never lost a case. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
And so, God, we're coming in faith, nothing wavering, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
knowing that you are able to work miracles! | 0:51:40 | 0:51:45 | |
Yeah. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
God, we need your peace. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
We need your peace. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
We need your peace, God. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
We need your peace. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
I thank you for coming to see me. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:08 | |
All right, God bless you. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
'Good morning, the state of Texas is today preparing to carry out | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
'the execution of Anthony Haynes. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
'Haynes, due to die by lethal injection, was convicted | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
'of shooting dead an off-duty police officer in Houston in 1998. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:36 | |
'Haynes, 19 at the time of the shooting, | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
'claims he did not know his victim...' | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
-Can you give me a moment? -Sure. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
OK. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
-What's your first name? -Jason. -Jason, J-A-S-O-N? | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
-Uh-huh. -What's your last name, Jason? | 0:53:01 | 0:53:02 | |
Clark, C-L-A-R-K. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:04 | |
Anthony Haynes did make a statement, he said, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
"God told me that I will not die on death row. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
"He told me to believe in the impossible. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
"He put something in my path to keep me focused. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
"God proved himself to be faithful, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
"he delivered me from the death chamber. To God be the glory." | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
Yeah, around 4pm today, we received notice from | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
the US Supreme Court that Anthony Haynes received | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
a stay of execution. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
So, tell me, when you guys got the news, what sort of happened? | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
It was around 3.45pm that we received the news | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
that the US Supreme Court had stayed the execution of Anthony Haynes. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
We confirmed that stay of execution and the offender was notified. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
And a little after 4pm, he was put into a transport van | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
and brought back to the Polunsky Unit. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
The appeal that was filed at the last minute | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
related to ineffective counsel and so the US Supreme Court | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
stopped the execution, so they could review that a little bit closer. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
You've been with the Kincaid family all afternoon, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
tell me how they're doing. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
Well, they're frustrated, they're disappointed, | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
but supportive of the system and respectful of the system. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
We understand that everyone has rights in this country. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
The United States Supreme Court has decided that they wanted a stay | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
at this point to look at something else and we respect that process. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
Is there anything else you want to add? | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
Just that we hope that people keep | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
the Kincaid family in their prayers. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
This is a roller coaster for them and | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
we know that they want closure, if you can have possible closure | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
when you've lost your husband, or your father, or your friend. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
You know, the whole time I've been locked up, you know, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
I've been treated like a... like an animal many times, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
I mean, they don't treat you like a man at all. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
And it's kind of ironic that the day that they're going to kill you | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
all the attitudes change. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
I get over there, they take my handcuffs off, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
I'm walking round free, | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
they look at me and say, "Haynes, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
"if you don't cause trouble, we don't cause trouble." | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
There was a big old plate with cookies, pies, a cup cake, | 0:55:29 | 0:55:34 | |
pastry, this is all for you and sweet tea, hot coffee, ice water, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:39 | |
some other kind of drink, you know - "This is all for you, Haynes." | 0:55:39 | 0:55:43 | |
But after I got the stay, all the attitudes changed. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:48 | |
When I first got there the warden, he comes in, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
he wants to shake your hand, talk to you, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
but when I got my stay, I tried to shake one of the officers' hands - | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
"No, we're going to be professional now." | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
So I didn't get to eat, I didn't get to eat my meal, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
I got back on the van and came back. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
But it was like a weight just lifted off my shoulder, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
I was just filled with joy, I was just happy. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
We thought it would be done and over with that day | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
and knowing that it wasn't | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
and knowing that this would all come back up | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
in two months or in two years | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
and not knowing when was really frustrating. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:27 | |
I was kind of mad that it didn't happen, just because... | 0:56:28 | 0:56:33 | |
..I just wanted it over with, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:37 | |
I didn't want to have to deal with it all again in the future. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
I understand that, you know, Kent Kincaid was a lot more | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
than the person I encountered on that street that night, you know? | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
I know... | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
I know I took someone's father, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
someone's husband. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
You know, when I think about my relationship with my father | 0:57:02 | 0:57:08 | |
it's very strong, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
but that's something that I took away from his daughters, you know? | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
Two little innocent girls, right? | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
I think about Nancy | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
and she watched her husband get shot | 0:57:27 | 0:57:28 | |
and that has to be very, very, very traumatic, right, you know? | 0:57:28 | 0:57:33 | |
But I cannot take back what I did. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
I'm sorry, you know? | 0:57:36 | 0:57:38 | |
I'm not sorry just cos I'm locked up - | 0:57:38 | 0:57:43 | |
I genuinely regret what happened, you know? | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
I wish it never had happened. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 |