Episode 4 Murder, Mystery and My Family


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The British justice system is the envy of the world.

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But in the past, mistakes have been made.

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Between the year 1900 and the year 1964,

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approximately 800 people were hanged in the United Kingdom.

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Many of those desperately protested their innocence.

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Some of these long-standing convictions could be

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a miscarriage of justice.

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She's received most of the blows in this position,

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once she's already bleeding.

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In this series, a living relative will attempt to clear their family name...

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I would dearly love for him to be innocent.

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..searching for new evidence...

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I can make the .32 fire both calibres.

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..with help from two of the UK's leading barristers,

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one for the defence...

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This is a very worrying case. I think the evidence is very suspect.

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..and one for the prosecution.

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I'm still of the view that this was a cogent case of murder,

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committed during the course of a robbery.

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They are on a mission to solve the mystery,

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submitting their findings to a Crown Court judge.

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There is a real risk that there has been a miscarriage of justice here.

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I will look again at the evidence

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in the light of the arguments that you both have put before me.

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Can this modern investigation rewrite history?

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In Newcastle in 1910, there occurred a case stranger than fiction,

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with all the hallmarks of an Agatha Christie mystery -

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a whodunnit murder on a train.

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On Friday the 18th of March

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a colliery cashier called John Nisbet

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boarded the 10:27 train from Newcastle Central Station.

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The 44-year-old was carrying £370 in wages

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for the workers at a local coal mine.

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A delivery he never made.

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GUNSHOTS

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Nisbet was brutally murdered for the cash he carried,

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shot in the head five times.

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His body was found stuffed beneath a carriage seat by the porter

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at Alnmouth station at the end of the line.

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When police searched the crime scene,

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they found two different calibre of bullets,

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leading officers to initially suspect two assailants,

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until several key witnesses led police to a local bookmaker

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called John Dickman,

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who was subsequently arrested, charged, and convicted of murder.

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Despite staunchly protesting his innocence,

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on the 10th of August 1910 Dickman was executed.

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The last man to be hanged at Newcastle Prison.

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I've known for nearly 40 years

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that my great-grandfather was hung for murder.

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Now, over 100 years later,

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Dickman's great-grandson, Rowan,

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wants to know if he was executed for a crime he did not commit.

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It must be an horrendous journey to the gallows.

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To know that you're going to lose your life.

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I have an open mind as to whether he did it or not.

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A former clerk turned professional gambler with a love of horse racing,

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Dickman operated as a wheeler dealer

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on the fringes of the mining industry.

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I do know he's a person that lived, I think, very much on the edge.

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But that doesn't make him a murderer, of course.

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To unearth the truth about his great-grandfather,

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Rowan will be helped by two of the country's best legal minds.

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Jeremy Dein QC is a top defence barrister,

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specialising in murder cases.

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Sasha Wass QC has put away some of the country's most dangerous

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and devious criminals.

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Before they start their investigation,

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the barristers have asked to meet with Rowan.

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Rowan, how nice to meet you. I'm Sasha.

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Examining a case that's over 100 years old...

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-Nice to meet you. I'm Jeremy.

-..will be no easy task.

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My role is to explore the truth of the case with a view to

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having the case reopened.

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Rowan, I will be looking at the evidence with a prosecution slant.

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That doesn't mean that I'm trying to uphold this conviction at all costs,

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far from it.

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And just so you know, I'm going to be keeping a completely open mind,

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-all right?

-Absolutely.

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-All right.

-What we have to do is, we have to find some new evidence,

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or some new argument, that hasn't previously been put before a court.

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That's not always easy.

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There is a chance of catastrophic evidence

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indicating that he is guilty. Now, are you prepared for that?

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-I believe I am.

-Good.

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I would dearly love for him to be innocent, of course.

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That's my heart.

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My head tells me that it may be a slightly more difficult process.

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Jeremy and Sasha will examine five crucial areas of the case...

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..before submitting their findings to a senior judge

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who could recommend the case for review,

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or confirm the original guilty verdict.

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But first, the barristers need to

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get to grips with the facts of the murder.

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So, Jeremy, this was the murder of John Nisbet,

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who was carrying £370,

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nine shillings and sixpence in wages when he boarded the train from

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Newcastle to Alnmouth.

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And the prosecution case was that he was killed for the money.

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Mr Nisbet was shot five times,

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and John Dickman alighted the train at Morpeth.

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Well, Sasha, there are a lot of ifs and buts.

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We definitely need to scrutinise the identification evidence.

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Very strange things went on.

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Also, two calibre of bullets were fired at John Nisbet

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and the police suspected that there were two gunmen.

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It's only once John Dickman came into the frame

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that they decided on one.

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So I certainly don't accept, at this stage,

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that this is anything like an open and shut case.

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Whilst Jeremy and Sasha delve into the evidence,

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Rowan is travelling to Newcastle

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to learn more about his great-grandfather

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and the crime for which he hanged.

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I would like to know more about two areas.

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One is around John, and indeed the evidence that was presented,

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how the case was carried out.

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But also about my family background, which I know nothing about.

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Dickman had much in common with Nisbet,

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the man he was convicted of killing.

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Both were born in Newcastle upon Tyne, close in age,

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and happily married with two children.

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They belonged to the educated lower-middle-class,

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finding employment in Newcastle's thriving commercial centre.

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They knew each other a little, too,

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as regulars on the railway that connected the growing city to the

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collieries that fuelled its prosperity.

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On the 18th of March 1910,

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both boarded the 10:27 from Newcastle to Alnmouth.

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Only one of them got off the train alive.

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Rowan wants to start by retracing the steps his great-grandfather took

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-on that fateful day.

-I've just arrived at the station, ironically,

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almost at the time John Dickman got on the train for Morpeth.

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The prosecution's case relied entirely on the testimony

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of several key witnesses. Taken together,

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their evidence puts Dickman's head in the hangman's noose.

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I'm holding here a photograph of Newcastle station, taken in 1910.

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If we look carefully we can just see

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platform five directly behind us.

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This photograph shows us exactly what it would have been like

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when John Dickman and John Nisbet walked onto the forecourt.

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On platform five, an artist called Wilson Hepple,

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who had known Dickman for 20 years, saw him with a companion,

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about to board near the front of the train.

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Just behind us is where Wilson Hepple would have seen

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both man making their way to the train.

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I'm going to now make a journey

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based on a number of witness statements,

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which I'm not so sure are as sound as they could be.

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The first stop was Heaton station,

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where John Nisbet lived with his wife, Cicely.

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She would make a habit of standing on the platform to greet her husband

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as he passed.

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It was here that Cicely Nisbet, John Nisbet's wife,

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actually saw John in the carriage.

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She is quite adamant there was one other man in there with him.

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Of course, the question is whether that was John Dickman.

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Three days after the murder,

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Dickman volunteered a statement to the police,

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explaining his movements on the day.

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Far from ruling him out as a suspect,

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the police used the information to put him in the frame.

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So, Jeremy, what John Dickman told the police was this -

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he said the reason he was on the 10:27 train from Newcastle is that

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he was going to meet someone at the Dovecot Colliery

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about a business proposition,

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and that would have involved him getting off at Stannington station.

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In his statement,

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Dickman admitted he had seen Nisbet briefly at Newcastle station,

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before buying a newspaper

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and getting in a compartment at the rear of the train.

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Mr Dickman didn't get off the train at Stannington station,

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because he was engrossed in reading the newspaper.

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At Stannington station, the deceased, John Nisbet,

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was seen alive and well.

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What we do know is that by Morpeth,

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John Nisbet was dead.

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We also know that Dickman must have alighted the train. We know that

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because he buys an excess fare ticket from a ticket inspector

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at Morpeth station.

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The ticket collector at Morpeth

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recalled a man paying an excess fare.

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Dickman admitted that man was him and, having missed his stop,

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he decided to walk back to his meeting at the Dovecot mine.

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And that's where his account becomes rather strange.

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He told police he decided to walk down this road here,

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but was taken ill where the X is marked on the map.

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Feeling ill, Dickman darted into a field to relieve himself.

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In John's statement, he maintains

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that he rested up for close to an hour,

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and realising that he couldn't

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really go any further, made his way back to Morpeth.

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When he got back to Morpeth, he met two people he knew,

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Elliott and Sanderson,

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and they can corroborate the time that he got back there.

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Elliott and Sanderson confirmed that shortly after 1:30pm

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they had a brief conversation with Dickman,

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who seemed to them of perfectly normal demeanour.

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Despite this alibi,

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almost two hours had passed since Dickman got off the train,

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much of which was unaccounted for.

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In terms of John's alibi,

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I do recognise it as a weak point in the story.

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I want to believe that he was ill, and that indeed he had to rest up.

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But also, I can understand there's no-one to corroborate that.

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This part of his evidence still has that question mark above it.

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So there's this period where nobody really knows what he's doing...

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Sasha is reviewing evidence that could account for the hole

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in Dickman's alibi, but does it prove Dickman was the killer?

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What the prosecution said at trial is that what Mr Dickman was in fact

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doing was not walking down to Clifton,

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but was walking towards Hepscott, here, where in a disused mineshaft,

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in June - so several months later -

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was found the bag which contained the money

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which was the subject of the robbery of John Nisbet on the train.

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Nisbet's moneybag was found three months after the murder

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at the bottom of a disused mineshaft

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less than a mile and a half from Morpeth. At the time,

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the prosecution used this discovery

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to suggest Dickman was not lying ill in a field,

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but was in fact disposing of the stolen money bag.

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But Jeremy has found a problem with this evidence.

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We need to keep in mind

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that John Dickman was in custody from the 21st of March

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and the 9th of June, when it was found.

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The mine had been searched on the 17th of March,

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the day before the incident, the 29th of April, and the 18th of May.

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And, in fact, the bag wasn't found there until the 9th of June.

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The reality is,

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there's not a shred of evidence that John Dickman dumped that bag.

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A more likely course of events

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is that someone else killed John Nisbet.

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So Jeremy believes the moneybag discovery indicates that the police

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should have been looking for other suspects.

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This is a reconstruction

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of the 10:27 train from Newcastle to Alnmouth.

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The engine was at this end,

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and this entire mapped out area

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is the first carriage.

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The barristers now want to turn their attention to the evidence

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given by the key witnesses that put Dickman in the frame.

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Does their testimony prove that Dickman was the killer?

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The first important thing is at Newcastle

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a witness called Bruce gets onto this first compartment

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nearest the engine, and he's with another man,

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whose identity is not important for the purposes of this case.

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On the second compartment, nearest the engine,

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two other witnesses who gave evidence, Mr Hall and Mr Spink,

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they get on there.

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Now, a witness at Newcastle station,

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called Wilson Hepple, saw John Dickman

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in the company of another man.

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One of the two put his hand on the door of one of the compartments.

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So for the sake of what I'm going to explain to you,

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Mr Dickman gets onto the train with the other man.

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As the train arrives at Heaton station, Nisbet's wife, Cicely,

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was on the platform to greet him.

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He leans out of the window and he waves at her.

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But Cicely also sees another man in that compartment, wearing a coat,

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wearing a hat with the collar pulled up,

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and that man is actually sitting facing the engine,

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so he's facing this way.

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The train pulls off from Heaton,

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and the next station of importance is Stannington.

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Now, at Stannington, Mr Hall

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and Mr Spink get off the train.

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Mr Hall knows Mr Nisbet

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and they acknowledge each other.

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Mr Bruce, in the first compartment,

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witnesses Hall nodding before the train pulls away.

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The train then stops at Morpeth,

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where the next key witness is waiting to board.

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Mr Grant walks past this first carriage

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of third-class compartments,

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and he particularly noticed that there was nobody,

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or he believed that there was nobody in this carriage,

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which suggests that Mr Dickman must have got off the train -

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and, remember, Mr Dickman DID get off the train at Morpeth -

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and that Mr Nisbet was lying on the ground,

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which is why he wasn't visible at window height.

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Crucially, the witness, Grant, the big question in his case is,

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how did John Dickman leave the carriage,

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leaving John Nisbet on the floor behind him,

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if Grant didn't see anyone exit the carriage?

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Because he doesn't claim that he did, so how did John Dickman get out

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of that carriage if his evidence is correct?

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Could the killer have got off the train a different way?

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Rowan has come to Tanfield Heritage Railway, near Newcastle.

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He's hoping that travelling back to his great-grandfather's era..

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WHISTLE TOOTS

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..with historian Alan Thompson can shed some light on the incident.

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So this is exactly the same type of carriage that my grandfather,

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-John Dickman, and John Nisbet...

-Yes.

-..would have travelled in?

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Presumably, you'd have to hold your luggage on your lap?

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Your lap or you could put it under the seat.

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But I think wages, he would have his hands on it all the time.

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You wouldn't dare let it go.

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No. John Nisbet was shot five times.

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It makes you wonder whether anybody else would have actually heard it.

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We're close to the engine, so you'd have the noise of the engine,

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the rear joints, bong-bong, bong-bong,

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you're getting that all the time.

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-You've got solid walls.

-Yes.

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And you're getting the vibration that can be quite noisy.

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Could the noises of the train, masking the gunshots,

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explain why nobody reported the crime?

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I've noticed the carriages don't have a corridor -

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was that common on these trains?

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Yes, corridors, as such, came in much later,

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probably after the First World War.

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-So you were stuck in here between stations?

-Yes.

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The design of the train allowed no way to enter or exit the compartment

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between stations. It was unlikely anyone could have jumped off,

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as they would leave the door flapping open,

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almost certainly alerting the guard.

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So, it remains a mystery

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as to how the killer could have got away unnoticed.

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In London, the barristers are trying to solve another dilemma.

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Did Dickman have a genuine motive for murder?

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Jeremy, this was a murder committed during the course of a robbery.

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And we know that £270, nine shillings and sixpence went missing.

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There's also evidence that John Dickman was short of money

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in the year leading up to this murder.

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At the trial, the prosecution tried to prove that Dickman was in urgent

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need of money, presenting evidence that he had taken out two loans

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for £20, and his bank accounts were empty.

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There was some evidence that John Dickman had money troubles,

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-of a sort.

-Yeah, but, Sasha...

-Do you agree with that?

-Well...

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I'm not sure I'd agree he had many problems.

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He seems to have needed to borrow money on more than one occasion.

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However, the reason why his accounts had little money in

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is because he was a bookie

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and he used cash in connection with that work.

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So just because the prosecution swooped on that

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and labelled those money lending scenarios as motive

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doesn't mean that John Dickman turned his hand to gruesome killing.

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So I'm afraid I just don't see that there was a respectable motive

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put before the jury.

0:20:000:20:02

So Jeremy is not convinced Dickman had a clear motive,

0:20:020:20:06

and has raised doubts about the prosecution's circumstantial case.

0:20:060:20:10

We've now looked at various issues in this case.

0:20:100:20:14

Do you accept that there was no direct evidence against John Dickman

0:20:140:20:19

and that there are, you know,

0:20:190:20:22

a significant number of difficult questions

0:20:220:20:25

for the prosecution to answer?

0:20:250:20:27

I'm still of the view that this was a cogent case of murder

0:20:270:20:31

against John Dickman. However,

0:20:310:20:34

I am concerned about the ammunition in the case.

0:20:340:20:38

Two different sorts of ammunition.

0:20:380:20:40

And I would find it helpful to speak to a ballistics expert.

0:20:400:20:44

The murder weapon was never found, but two different calibre of bullet

0:20:480:20:52

were retrieved from the victim's body.

0:20:520:20:54

So what does this tell us about the crime?

0:20:540:20:57

-Hi, Innes, how are you?

-Innes Knight is a gunsmith

0:20:570:21:00

with an expert knowledge of historical firearms.

0:21:000:21:03

The gun we think was used

0:21:030:21:07

was a .32 revolver.

0:21:070:21:09

Our reasons for thinking this is

0:21:090:21:12

there is no physical way that a .32 round

0:21:120:21:17

would be able to be fired from a .25 pistol.

0:21:170:21:20

It is physically impossible.

0:21:200:21:22

It is, however, possible for a .25 bullet, with enough ingenuity,

0:21:220:21:27

to be fired from a .32 revolver.

0:21:270:21:30

Can you actually load that bullet in that gun?

0:21:300:21:34

-You would need a little bit of ingenuity.

-Right.

0:21:340:21:37

So this is a fairly typical .32 revolver.

0:21:370:21:41

Now, if I take .25,

0:21:410:21:45

it will drop clean through.

0:21:450:21:47

And so it requires to be adapted before it can be shot from?

0:21:470:21:51

I have done some experiments,

0:21:510:21:53

and by wrapping the bullet in paper or tape,

0:21:530:21:57

or leather, I can make the .32 fire both calibres.

0:21:570:22:03

Nisbet was shot five times...

0:22:030:22:06

GUNSHOTS

0:22:060:22:07

..but three of the shots using the .25 bullet

0:22:070:22:10

caused only superficial wounds.

0:22:100:22:13

The fact that that .25 came out at low enough velocity

0:22:130:22:18

not to penetrate the skull

0:22:180:22:20

-means that it was not fired in its correct barrel.

-Yeah.

0:22:200:22:24

If I fired that in the large barrel,

0:22:240:22:26

that bullet would come out at a much lower velocity.

0:22:260:22:29

And so one gunman with one gun, firing both calibre of bullets?

0:22:290:22:35

With the evidence I've been presented,

0:22:350:22:37

it is most likely one gun. It was probably by luck that those rounds

0:22:370:22:41

went off, rather than judgment. But it is possible.

0:22:410:22:45

So what might happen is that if someone was to wrap a bullet

0:22:450:22:48

in the way you've said, it's conceivable that, in fact,

0:22:480:22:51

-the bullet wouldn't fire?

-Yes, it is.

-Pot luck.

-Yeah.

0:22:510:22:56

So, the gunsmith favours one gunman.

0:22:570:23:00

A theory that the prosecution successfully pursued in 1910.

0:23:000:23:05

Rowan wants to know what the public made of the evidence,

0:23:090:23:12

reported in its entirety by the local press

0:23:120:23:15

in the lead-up to the trial.

0:23:150:23:17

He's come to Newcastle Library to search the archives.

0:23:190:23:22

I found the actual article at the start of the trial.

0:23:260:23:30

It's actually taking us through the different eyewitnesses.

0:23:300:23:33

What it does say - it was quite a sensational trial.

0:23:330:23:37

The trial of John Dickman opened on the 4th of July 1910,

0:23:370:23:41

at Moot Hall in Newcastle,

0:23:410:23:43

where a vast crowd packed the area outside.

0:23:430:23:46

It was a well publicised trial.

0:23:470:23:49

The public had become largely involved.

0:23:490:23:51

The papers were very much involved.

0:23:510:23:53

A lot of people, their minds may have already been made up.

0:23:530:23:56

Could it have been a fair trial?

0:23:560:23:57

Dickman would face the jury

0:23:580:24:00

in the home town of the man he was accused of killing

0:24:000:24:03

and where public opinion was strongly set against him.

0:24:030:24:06

Looking at this, and seeing that the case was quite biased

0:24:060:24:09

in the news respects, it makes me angry, to say the least.

0:24:090:24:13

I think if I was reading these articles at the time,

0:24:140:24:17

I would probably believe that he was guilty.

0:24:170:24:19

Jeremy has his own concerns about the case

0:24:220:24:25

so, he's asked Home Office Pathologist Stuart Hamilton

0:24:250:24:28

to look at the crime scene evidence.

0:24:280:24:30

Stuart, you're going to take us through the various scenarios

0:24:300:24:34

as to how John Nisbet might have been killed.

0:24:340:24:37

Tell us about the scenes here.

0:24:370:24:39

So, what we have here is a perfect reproduction of the carriage

0:24:390:24:44

that Mr Nisbet was sat in.

0:24:440:24:45

The evidence is that he was shot five times.

0:24:480:24:52

We have two different types of bullet.

0:24:520:24:55

I can only conclude, if it is one shooter,

0:24:550:24:58

that there is a shot with the lead,

0:24:580:25:01

that comes across the face,

0:25:010:25:04

and stuns Mr Nisbet.

0:25:040:25:06

He then goes to the ground,

0:25:060:25:08

there are then more discharges to the back of the head,

0:25:080:25:12

and there is the lethal shot to the brainstem.

0:25:120:25:16

The evidence that was given in the trial

0:25:160:25:19

was that the bullet wound to this forehead

0:25:190:25:23

was fired while Mr Nisbet was prostrate.

0:25:230:25:26

You can see, from the dimensions of this carriage,

0:25:260:25:30

to actually get into a position, somehow,

0:25:300:25:34

where that could be fired seems incredibly difficult

0:25:340:25:38

and somewhat unlikely to me.

0:25:380:25:40

There just isn't room here to do it.

0:25:400:25:44

The second scenario is that we have two assailants.

0:25:440:25:48

Two men, two guns.

0:25:480:25:50

One man gets up, first shot is discharged into his head.

0:25:510:25:55

He then goes to the ground.

0:25:550:25:57

The man with the nickel-plated bullets fires twice,

0:25:580:26:03

the other assailant shoots twice.

0:26:030:26:06

One of those shots hits his brainstem.

0:26:060:26:09

Mr Nisbet is doing nothing, ever again.

0:26:090:26:13

In the end, which of those scenarios do you believe

0:26:130:26:16

is the most likely context in which John Nisbet was killed?

0:26:160:26:21

I think two people in control of a firearm

0:26:210:26:24

makes far more sense than one person with two.

0:26:240:26:28

And I think the likelihood of it being one weapon

0:26:280:26:31

-seems considerably less likely.

-GUNSHOTS

0:26:310:26:35

So, the pathology evidence points to two gunmen,

0:26:350:26:38

contradicting the opinion of the gunsmith.

0:26:380:26:41

We're still left with different ammunition in one gun,

0:26:420:26:46

or the two-gunmen theory.

0:26:460:26:48

And given what the ballistics expert has said,

0:26:480:26:51

I'm in favour of one gun, one gunman.

0:26:510:26:54

Stuart Hamilton favours two gunmen.

0:26:540:26:58

If correct, then, there is a fundamental question mark

0:26:580:27:02

over whether John Dickman was rightly convicted.

0:27:020:27:05

Rowan has spent hours searching the archive for newspaper articles

0:27:080:27:11

about the case.

0:27:110:27:14

Much to his surprise, he's found a collection of personal accounts

0:27:140:27:17

written by John Dickman's wife, Annie.

0:27:170:27:20

It's the first time I've seen an article from my great-grandmother.

0:27:210:27:26

Funnily enough, it sent shivers up my spine

0:27:260:27:29

when I actually saw her signature at the bottom of the page.

0:27:290:27:33

Annie defended her husband right up until his execution,

0:27:330:27:37

allowing a number of personal letters written by Dickman

0:27:370:27:40

from his cell to be published.

0:27:400:27:42

And this one makes me a little bit angry -

0:27:430:27:46

"Dickman's last letters,

0:27:460:27:47

"pathetic references to his wife and children."

0:27:470:27:50

I'm angry because the letters are far from pathetic.

0:27:520:27:56

When you read them it's about a man coming to terms with his death,

0:27:560:28:01

and what will become of his family.

0:28:010:28:03

"The last letter from a condemned man to his wife

0:28:050:28:07

"was received by Mrs Dickman on Monday.

0:28:070:28:10

"In it, her husband wrote...

0:28:100:28:12

" 'There is something still keeps telling me

0:28:130:28:15

" 'that everything will be made clear some day,

0:28:150:28:18

" 'when it is too late to benefit me.

0:28:180:28:21

" 'I can only repeat that I am innocent.' "

0:28:210:28:23

There is a man here that seemed to have loved his family

0:28:250:28:28

and right to his last letter, he's saying,

0:28:280:28:30

maybe one day his innocence will be found.

0:28:300:28:34

When I see that, I do hope that at the end of it...

0:28:360:28:40

..there will be enough answers for us to be able to say

0:28:420:28:45

he was innocent.

0:28:450:28:48

Maybe that day's close at hand, I would hope. Yeah.

0:28:530:28:57

HE TAKES A DEEP BREATH

0:28:570:28:59

Despite being handed a death sentence,

0:29:090:29:11

Dickman still had one last hope of proving he was wrongly convicted.

0:29:110:29:15

On the 22nd of July, 1910,

0:29:160:29:18

his case was to be heard by the Court of Appeal.

0:29:180:29:22

Earlier that month, the Home Office

0:29:220:29:24

had received disturbing news of serious police malpractice,

0:29:240:29:28

relating to an identity parade involving two key witnesses,

0:29:280:29:32

Spink and Hall.

0:29:320:29:34

Hall, when taken to the police station for the purposes

0:29:340:29:37

of seeing if he could identify Dickman,

0:29:370:29:40

"was first invited by somebody,

0:29:400:29:43

"possibly on behalf of the police, to look through a window,

0:29:430:29:48

"and on doing so, sitting alone,

0:29:480:29:50

"the person

0:29:500:29:52

"who was afterwards convicted was there."

0:29:520:29:56

I personally find it staggering

0:29:560:29:59

that John Dickman was convicted, in part,

0:29:590:30:03

on the identification evidence of somebody

0:30:030:30:07

who had been asked to have a look at him sitting on a chair,

0:30:070:30:10

in isolation, before the parade.

0:30:100:30:12

That evidence, in modern times, would never have gone before a jury.

0:30:120:30:16

Jeremy is still hoping to find a new legal angle

0:30:160:30:19

on which to argue that the conviction was unsafe.

0:30:190:30:22

How did it come about, that Hall

0:30:230:30:26

was shown John Dickman sitting on a...

0:30:260:30:29

No, let me finish, you dismiss this type of...

0:30:290:30:32

-No, I don't!

-Hang on, let me finish. You dismiss this kind of conduct,

0:30:320:30:35

as if this is a matter of pure irrelevance,

0:30:350:30:38

but if, in fact, the police were prepared

0:30:380:30:42

to put John Dickman on display,

0:30:420:30:45

how do we know that there weren't more shenanigans going on?

0:30:450:30:48

Why do we assume that the only piece of misconduct

0:30:480:30:50

was the one that was discovered?

0:30:500:30:52

We don't know what went on.

0:30:520:30:54

This is 1910,

0:30:540:30:56

and I am not as comfortable with mere assertion by these witnesses

0:30:560:31:00

-as you appear to be.

-Can I just clarify the matter, Jeremy?

0:31:000:31:03

I'm not comfortable with what happened

0:31:030:31:05

in terms of the identification procedure.

0:31:050:31:08

It was completely improper conduct.

0:31:080:31:11

It doesn't alter the conclusion of the Lord Chief Justice

0:31:110:31:15

that he would not have hesitated

0:31:150:31:18

to quash this conviction had Hall been the only witness.

0:31:180:31:22

We both agree that he's a tainted witness.

0:31:220:31:26

The Lord Chief Justice has made it plain

0:31:260:31:28

that there was a wealth of other evidence putting John Dickman...

0:31:280:31:31

-What...

-..and John Nisbet...

-We could go on forever.

0:31:310:31:34

-..in the same train compartment.

-We could go on forever, Sasha,

0:31:340:31:37

but we can't get beyond what's here in black and white before us,

0:31:370:31:40

-that's the problem...

-That is the problem.

0:31:400:31:42

And I see it, and I read it rather more sceptically than you do.

0:31:420:31:46

That's not a criticism of you, I just do.

0:31:460:31:49

With time running out on the barristers' investigation,

0:31:530:31:56

Rowan has gone to Newcastle Cathedral for a momentous meeting.

0:31:560:32:00

80 years ago, John Dickman's

0:32:010:32:03

son Henry, Rowan's grandfather,

0:32:030:32:05

abandoned his wife and son

0:32:050:32:07

to start a new family across town.

0:32:070:32:10

They are my relatives,

0:32:100:32:11

they're my blood relatives.

0:32:110:32:13

And I think I would be remiss in not trying to contact them.

0:32:130:32:17

Waiting to greet Rowan is his half-uncle John and cousin Beezy,

0:32:170:32:21

relatives from a side of the family he's never met.

0:32:210:32:24

I'm feeling very nervous, actually.

0:32:240:32:26

I think it's probably more nervous than anything else I've done.

0:32:260:32:30

-Hello!

-John?

0:32:300:32:32

-How are you, fella?

-Pleased to meet you.

-And you.

0:32:320:32:36

-Lovely to meet you.

-This is Beezy.

-Hello.

0:32:360:32:39

Rowan, yeah. A bit nervous...

0:32:390:32:41

-So am I.

-..and a bit emotional.

-So am I. Don't worry about it.

0:32:410:32:44

I wish my mum could be here and my Auntie Pat.

0:32:440:32:46

-Yeah, yeah.

-I know I've been very remiss.

0:32:460:32:49

I kind of tucked it on the back burner...

0:32:490:32:51

-Me, too.

-..and Dad was always so, sort of angry and unhappy.

0:32:510:32:56

-Yeah, he would write to me.

-He would never talk about it.

0:32:560:32:59

-Shall we sit down, guys?

-Please...

0:32:590:33:02

They have 100 years of broken family history to discuss,

0:33:020:33:05

starting with the marriage of John Dickman to Annie,

0:33:050:33:09

right here in Newcastle Cathedral.

0:33:090:33:11

Here we are in that same building

0:33:110:33:13

where they began their marriage and their life.

0:33:130:33:16

Hopefully, come round full circle.

0:33:160:33:19

-Yes.

-Full circle, which is, actually, yeah...

0:33:190:33:21

That, finally, the family can get back together.

0:33:210:33:24

Yes, yes, hopefully.

0:33:240:33:27

Whilst the Dickman family become acquainted,

0:33:270:33:29

Jeremy is still searching for the new evidence he needs

0:33:290:33:32

to argue before the judge that the case should be reviewed.

0:33:320:33:36

He's hoping crime writer John Eddleston can help.

0:33:380:33:42

So, John, tell us about how you developed an interest

0:33:430:33:46

in the case of John Dickman,

0:33:460:33:48

and how you've really become an expert on the case.

0:33:480:33:51

Well, my wife and I researched every single execution

0:33:510:33:54

in the 20th century. This case, in particular, was very contentious

0:33:540:33:58

and having spent three or four years looking at it,

0:33:580:34:01

I've come up with a completely different scenario,

0:34:010:34:04

which means that John Alexander Dickman

0:34:040:34:06

-was almost certainly innocent of the crime.

-Right.

0:34:060:34:10

We know the train left at 10.27 from Newcastle Central.

0:34:120:34:16

Now, we do know that Nesbit travelled in that compartment.

0:34:160:34:19

That's absolutely certain, cos that's where his body was found.

0:34:190:34:22

We know, from the evidence of his wife,

0:34:220:34:24

there was a companion sitting directly opposite to him.

0:34:240:34:27

The only other person we're certain of is Andrew Bruce,

0:34:310:34:34

and Bruce is sitting right in this corner.

0:34:340:34:37

Hall was in that particular carriage.

0:34:370:34:40

We know that, at Newcastle, on his own evidence,

0:34:410:34:44

Hall was looking out of the window

0:34:440:34:46

at the platform to see who was coming down.

0:34:460:34:48

He was also looking out of the window at Heaton.

0:34:480:34:51

A curious thing to do for someone who'd made the same journey

0:34:510:34:54

many times over the years, with Spink.

0:34:540:34:58

We are led to believe that in the same carriage, is Spink.

0:34:580:35:01

-but for the time being, can we leave him out?

-Yeah.

0:35:010:35:04

My scenario is this.

0:35:040:35:07

Hall was indeed looking out of the window,

0:35:070:35:10

but not to see who was coming,

0:35:100:35:12

to make sure that no-one else came into that compartment.

0:35:120:35:16

The unknown companion with Nesbit,

0:35:160:35:18

is not an unknown companion, it's John Williams Spink.

0:35:180:35:22

In this scenario,

0:35:220:35:24

the mystery man witnessed in the compartment with Nesbit

0:35:240:35:28

was not Dickman, it was Spink.

0:35:280:35:30

One of the key witnesses and the companion of Hall.

0:35:300:35:34

Waiting inconspicuously for his partner in crime to join him.

0:35:340:35:39

When they reached the station before Stannington, which is Plessey,

0:35:390:35:43

Hall gets out, and gets into this carriage.

0:35:430:35:46

There are now three people in that carriage.

0:35:460:35:48

He was about to shake hands with Hall,

0:35:480:35:50

when Hall and Spink both opened fire.

0:35:500:35:53

This is now an empty carriage.

0:35:530:35:55

When the train arrives at Stannington,

0:35:550:35:58

they both get out through the door,

0:35:580:36:00

and stand about here,

0:36:000:36:02

between the two carriages.

0:36:020:36:04

So, Nesbit's dead before we get to Stannington?

0:36:040:36:07

Nesbitt's dead between Plessey and Stannington.

0:36:070:36:10

The body's under the seat, Hall and Spink are on the platform,

0:36:100:36:13

the train pulls out,

0:36:130:36:14

and Bruce sees them nod to an empty carriage.

0:36:140:36:17

-To a dead man.

-To a dead man.

0:36:170:36:19

When the train arrives at Morpeth,

0:36:190:36:21

John Grant is waiting here where the engine is.

0:36:210:36:25

He wants to find a smoking compartment.

0:36:250:36:28

As he walks along, he sees that compartment is occupied.

0:36:280:36:32

He walks past, that's a non-smoker, that's no use to him.

0:36:320:36:35

And when he walks past the carriage were Nesbit's body is now lying,

0:36:350:36:39

he sees and swears that it is empty.

0:36:390:36:42

If Dickman is the killer,

0:36:420:36:44

he would've seen Dickman get off the train at Morpeth.

0:36:440:36:47

Dickman did indeed get off the train at Morpeth,

0:36:470:36:50

he paid an excess fare, but he got out from way back down there.

0:36:500:36:54

If that case is true,

0:36:540:36:55

Hall and Spink are the killers.

0:36:550:36:58

Could this be the breakthrough that Jeremy needs?

0:37:020:37:05

Is it enough to convince a judge that John Dickman

0:37:050:37:08

was innocent all along?

0:37:080:37:10

It seems to me that his hypothesis works.

0:37:120:37:15

The most obvious scenario here is two gunmen.

0:37:150:37:19

The case against Hall and Spinks

0:37:190:37:21

is equally strong as it was against John Dickman.

0:37:210:37:24

The difference between them is that John Dickman was hanged

0:37:240:37:28

and Hall and Spinks weren't.

0:37:280:37:30

The hypothesis put forward by John Eddleston

0:37:300:37:33

was fascinating and ingenious.

0:37:330:37:36

But it really was based on two premises.

0:37:360:37:40

Firstly, that the witness, Grant, who was at Morpeth,

0:37:400:37:43

categorically did not see anyone getting off the carriage at Morpeth.

0:37:430:37:49

I'm not sure that is Mr Grant's evidence.

0:37:490:37:53

Rather, he didn't see someone, didn't particularly notice someone.

0:37:530:37:57

And the second premise is that

0:37:570:37:59

there were necessarily two guns involved in this murder.

0:37:590:38:03

And again, I'm not sure that is the evidence

0:38:030:38:05

from the firearms expert in this case.

0:38:050:38:09

I'm afraid his contribution

0:38:090:38:12

has not caused me to believe

0:38:120:38:14

that this was a miscarriage of justice.

0:38:140:38:17

For decades, the Dickmans have coped with secrets and hurt

0:38:200:38:24

as a result of their family history.

0:38:240:38:27

Finally, two factions of the family have come together

0:38:270:38:30

to share their past

0:38:300:38:33

and Rowan and John have unfinished business in Newcastle.

0:38:330:38:36

-So we're here.

-Maybe if we cut just up here,

0:38:360:38:40

that will take us up to the corner.

0:38:400:38:42

-Yeah?

-That would do, yes, yes. Try that, shall we?

-Yeah, sure.

0:38:420:38:45

They've come to Jesmond Cemetery

0:38:450:38:47

to search for John Dickman's unmarked grave.

0:38:470:38:50

-There's an open patch just here.

-Yes, that's right.

0:38:520:38:55

Maybe if he's looking on,

0:38:550:38:57

maybe we can just say to him, "Well, we tried."

0:38:570:38:59

This is the best we can do for you.

0:38:590:39:02

-And not forgotten.

-Not forgotten.

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Hopefully, in time, we can clear his name.

0:39:040:39:06

It's those last few words, isn't it? Perhaps one day...

0:39:060:39:09

The truth will come out.

0:39:090:39:11

Well, maybe we will do that.

0:39:110:39:13

Well, hopefully, we will and I'm glad that we actually met up.

0:39:130:39:17

-I know that I've got an extended family.

-It's great, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:39:170:39:20

And in one sense, that's brought us together, hasn't it?

0:39:200:39:23

-Yeah, it has, really, yeah.

-Yeah.

0:39:230:39:25

Hey, John.

0:39:250:39:27

-And you, mate.

-Come here.

-Yeah.

0:39:270:39:29

Well, hopefully he's looking on.

0:39:310:39:33

Yeah, I hope he is. I really do.

0:39:330:39:36

Judgment day has finally arrived for Rowan.

0:39:450:39:48

He's returned to London and will soon find out if the barristers

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have uncovered the evidence they need.

0:39:510:39:53

I really am hopeful that some of the evidence there is strong enough

0:39:530:39:56

to convince the judge that we can relook at this case,

0:39:560:40:00

because I truly believe that should happen.

0:40:000:40:02

Jeremy and Sasha have spent days scrutinising the facts,

0:40:020:40:06

and considering their legal arguments.

0:40:060:40:09

Hello, Sasha, lovely to see you.

0:40:090:40:11

-Hi, Rowan.

-Nice to see you again.

0:40:110:40:12

-How are you?

-I'm fine, thank you.

0:40:120:40:14

-Looking forward to today, yeah.

-Right.

-A little bit nervous.

0:40:140:40:17

-Do you want to say anything at this stage?

-No, I think, the best thing

0:40:170:40:20

is if we update you when we're all sitting round

0:40:200:40:23

with our papers open on the table in front of us.

0:40:230:40:25

So, shall we go on through?

0:40:250:40:27

-I am looking forward to it.

-All right. OK.

-Thank you.

0:40:270:40:29

For Rowan, this could be the start of the legal process

0:40:300:40:34

to exonerate his great-grandfather.

0:40:340:40:36

Or it could be the end of any hope

0:40:360:40:38

that the conviction can be overturned.

0:40:380:40:41

-Come and sit down.

-Thank you.

0:40:430:40:46

What I want to do now is really update you on what's been happening.

0:40:460:40:51

Rowan, you can see that there isn't a judge here.

0:40:510:40:54

a judge won't be coming to this room today

0:40:540:40:56

and what I'm going to do is explain why not.

0:40:560:40:59

We have explored as many as the features of this case as we can,

0:40:590:41:05

but it seems to me

0:41:050:41:07

that there is no real basis

0:41:070:41:10

for saying that this was a miscarriage of justice.

0:41:100:41:14

So, I am sorry to be the bearer of such bad news.

0:41:140:41:19

The burden lay with me to identify new material.

0:41:190:41:25

I have significant concerns about the safety of this conviction,

0:41:250:41:30

but try though we have,

0:41:300:41:34

no new material has emerged

0:41:340:41:36

sufficient to argue before a judge

0:41:360:41:39

that the conviction is unsafe,

0:41:390:41:41

which means that we simply cannot progress the case before a judge.

0:41:410:41:45

I'm desperately sorry

0:41:460:41:47

that we haven't been able to take it forward.

0:41:470:41:50

I think there are issues, without a doubt, that I think make it unsafe.

0:41:500:41:54

I do think there are issues about the testimonies that were given,

0:41:540:41:58

I am concerned that the identification parade

0:41:580:42:01

wasn't as as professionally carried out as possible...

0:42:010:42:04

-Absolutely.

-Yeah, absolutely.

-I have, for the last 50 years,

0:42:040:42:08

accepted that my great-grandfather may well have been guilty to a point

0:42:080:42:12

where I have very strong doubts now.

0:42:120:42:14

But I appreciate that doubts isn't enough to take any form of appeal.

0:42:140:42:20

But, yeah, a bit more emotional than I thought I would be.

0:42:200:42:23

We just want to wish you the very best of luck

0:42:230:42:27

in taking this forward in the future,

0:42:270:42:30

which having met you, we are confident you will.

0:42:300:42:33

Oh, certainly. And, I must say, we will.

0:42:330:42:36

I'm pretty sure I can speak for the family.

0:42:360:42:39

I feel very disappointed and far more emotional than I thought

0:42:410:42:45

-I ever would do.

-All right.

0:42:450:42:47

However, through my journey,

0:42:470:42:50

I've gained a family

0:42:500:42:51

and I'm getting to know them.

0:42:510:42:55

And we are of one mind that we're going to follow this further.

0:42:550:42:59

Apart from the disappointment, I've gained so much from this.

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