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The British justice system | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
is the envy of the world, | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
but in the past, mistakes have been made. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
Between the year 1900 and the year 1964, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
approximately 800 people were hanged in the United Kingdom. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
Many of those desperately protested their innocence. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
Some of these long-standing convictions | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
could be a miscarriage of justice. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
She's received most of the blows | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
in this position once she's already bleeding. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
In this series, a living relative | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
will attempt to clear their family name... | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
Myself and my family | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
have always believed that our great-grandfather was innocent. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
..searching for new evidence... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
I can make the .32 fire both calibres. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
..with help from two of the UK's leading barristers, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
one for the defence... | 0:00:48 | 0:00:49 | |
This is a very worrying case. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
I think the evidence is very suspect. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
..and one for the prosecution. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
I'm still of the view that this was a cogent case of murder | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
committed during the course of a robbery. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
They're on a mission to solve the mystery, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
submitting their findings to a senior Crown Court judge. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
There is a real risk that there has been a miscarriage of justice here. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
I will look again at the evidence | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
in the light of the arguments that you both have put before me. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Can this modern investigation rewrite history? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
6am on September the 23rd, 1900. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
The body of a young woman | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
was found among the sand dunes on Great Yarmouth Beach. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
She'd been strangled. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
A murder investigation led to a local guesthouse | 0:01:51 | 0:01:55 | |
where the victim had lodged under the assumed name Mrs Hood, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
along with her two-year-old daughter. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
Seven weeks passed before police were able to trace her true identity | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
as Mary Jane Bennett of Bexleyheath, London. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
Her estranged husband, Herbert John Bennett, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
immediately came under suspicion and was arrested for her murder. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
Unable to provide a convincing alibi, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
it took a jury at the Old Bailey just 45 minutes | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
to find Bennett guilty, the judge passing a sentence of death. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:33 | |
On Thursday the 21st of March 1901, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
despite fiercely protesting his innocence, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
Herbert John Bennett was hanged at Norwich Gaol. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
"I, Herbert John Bennett, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
"consider that I have been tried on suspicion | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
"and not on evidence." | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
Over a century later, Paul Fitchard, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
the closest living relative of Herbert and Mary Bennett, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
believes there are unanswered questions surrounding the case. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
Herbert Bennett is my great-grandfather | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
and Mary was my great-grandmother. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
I can't see him being a murderer. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
There are so many pieces, different parts of the jigsaw, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
that just do not quite add up. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
So, who is the man behind the mystery? | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Born in the East End of London, Herbert Bennett was a bright kid | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
who left school at the age of 13 | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
to work as a shop assistant and grocer. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
In 1897, aged just 17, he married his piano teacher, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
Mary Jane Clarke, two years his senior. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
Their daughter Ruby was born two years later. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
It's a tragic case. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
Whenever I think about Herbert and Mary, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
always, my mind goes to Grandma, to Granny, to Ruby herself. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:46 | |
She was made an orphan. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
Desperate to know the truth, Paul has delved into his past, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
giving him an insight to his great-grandparents' relationship. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
You begin to form little personalities | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
about the people that they may have been. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
I think they were both a couple of scallywags, to be honest. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
Herbert and Mary's relationship was marked by shady behaviour - | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
a pair of con artists who orchestrated numerous scams. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:12 | |
It's possible that that's what they were doing - ripping people off. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
I think the driving force was Mary. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
By June 1900, the relationship had soured | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
and the couple were living apart. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
We know that they had separated | 0:04:23 | 0:04:24 | |
by the time that she went up to Great Yarmouth. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
It was here, three months after the split, | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
that Mary was brutally murdered. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
The big question is, did Herbert follow her to the coast to kill her? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
Myself and my family | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
have always believed that our great-grandfather was innocent. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
I just hope we might be able to prove that that is the case. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
Helping Paul investigate his great-grandfather's case | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
are two of the country's leading legal minds. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Jeremy Dein QC is a top defence barrister | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
with over 30 years' experience of serious crime. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
Reviewing the case for the prosecution is Sasha Wass QC, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
who has successfully convicted some of the country's | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
most notorious offenders. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
-Hello, Paul. -Hello. -Nice to meet you. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
Before they begin their investigation, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
they have a word of warning for Paul. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
You, of course, are a descendant of both the victim | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
-and the person who's been convicted. -Yeah. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
Can I just ask you this - | 0:05:24 | 0:05:25 | |
if the judge determines that this was a safe conviction, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
-would you be able to cope with that? -Yes. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
We'd very much like it to go for him, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
but we are realistic. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
I just need to stress to you, Paul, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
that we can't simply revisit old ground. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
-That's not the way it works. -OK. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
So, the target point here is to find something in the evidence | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
which is, you know, a new angle that can be put before the judge, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
and, hopefully, we can uncover that. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
We will update you when we have some news. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
Thanks very much for your time. I appreciate it. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
The barristers will re-examine the legal case | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
while searching for crucial new evidence | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
that could cast doubt on the safety of the conviction. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
Jeremy, look at this. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
They'll then present their findings to a Crown Court judge | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
who could recommend the case for review | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
or uphold the original guilty verdict. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
The first task is to identify the key facts of the murder. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
So, Jeremy, we know that, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
on the morning of the 23rd of September 1900, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
the body of Mary Bennett was found on Great Yarmouth Beach. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
She had been strangled with a single mohair bootlace. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
The first person to come under suspicion | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
was her estranged husband, Herbert. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
And Herbert Bennett was, in fact, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
seen in Great Yarmouth at the time of her murder. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
The evidence that he was in the area is open to question. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
From the moment Herbert Bennett was arrested, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
witnesses were paid by the media | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
in advance of giving evidence to sell their stories, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
and their reliability has to be looked at by us. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
At the heart of the prosecution's case | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
were witnesses placing Herbert in Yarmouth, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
and a key piece of evidence - a photo. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
Mary was in the habit of wearing a gold chain. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
And, in fact, you can see it on this photograph | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
taken three days before her murder. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
She's there with her little girl Ruby. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
When the defendant's lodgings were searched, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
they found the gold chain. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
We have a woman who was estranged from her husband, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
and when police searched his lodgings, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
he was found in possession of items of jewellery | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
which she was wearing within days of her murder. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
All in all, Jeremy, this looks like a pretty strong case | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
against Herbert Bennett. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Jeremy has a difficult task ahead if he's to convince a judge | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
that this case was a miscarriage of justice. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
In Great Yarmouth, the setting of this mysterious murder, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
Paul is meeting up with his daughter Rebecca, who lives nearby. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
-Ooh! Hello! -Are you all right? -Yeah, I'm all right. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
-You? -Yeah, good. Nice to see you. -How are you? | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Paul wants to see for himself where his great-grandmother was murdered. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
It is really eerie. It's atmospheric. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Mary's body was discovered in a secluded area of South Beach, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
popular with courting couples. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
So, here we are. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
Her actual body was found in a set of dunes similar to these, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
but really in the position right underneath | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
where that roller-coaster sits now. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
-She was found lying in the sand. -Yeah. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
Her legs were drawn up | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
and her clothes were in disarray. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
There were witnesses that said that she had been seen with a man, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
-but nobody could identify the guy cos it was at night. -OK. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
They knew that there was a man crouching by her or over her... | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
-Right, OK. -..at the time. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
Preserving the crime scene did not occur to the police in 1900. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
There was a horse and a cart brought up here. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
-Trampling over evidence. -Yeah, they just wanted to remove the body straightaway | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
-and get it to the mortuary. -Did they know who she was when they found her? | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
No, no. They had no idea who she was. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Local gossip led officers to a nearby boarding house, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
called Mrs Rudrum's, where the victim had been staying. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
The only thing that notified the Rudrums | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
that she didn't come home that night... | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
CHILD CRIES | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
..was the sound of Ruby crying the following day. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
The Rudrums lived at 104 of Yarmouth's historic Rows - | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
narrow alleyways of medieval houses tightly packed together | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
that formed the social heart of Yarmouth in 1900. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
The police arrived to escort landlord John Rudrum to the mortuary | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
where he confirmed the dead woman as his lodger. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
The problem was, she was staying under a false name - Mrs Hood. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
When they found out that this was Mrs Hood, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
the police went to the Rudrums and searched her room. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
On the mantelpiece, they found a photograph | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
of her on the beach with Ruby. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
So, why was Mary in Great Yarmouth with Ruby using a false name? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:20 | |
Did Herbert know they were there? | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
The barristers are analysing events | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
in the week leading up to the murder for clues. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
Mary arrived at Mrs Rudrum's boarding house | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
on Saturday the 15th of September - | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
a week before her murder, using the alias Hood. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
When she arrived, John Rudrum, the landlord, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
briefly saw a man who he associated with Mary Bennett, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:51 | |
and then, during the week preceding her death, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
she went out with a man she referred to, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
on a number of occasions, as her brother-in-law. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
On Friday the 21st, the night before she dies, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
Alice Rudrum, the eldest daughter of Mr and Mrs Rudrum, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
overheard Mary talking to a man and hears them kiss loudly. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:12 | |
We know that that can't have been Herbert Bennett | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
because there was evidence that he was at work | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
in Woolwich at that time. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Since splitting from Mary, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
Herbert had found work as a clerk at Woolwich Arsenal. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
Paul has returned to London to visit the area. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
This is where Herbert was employed | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
just after he came back from South Africa. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
In 1900, Britain was involved in a war against the Boer states | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
over the empire's influence in South Africa. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
It was at this time that Herbert and Mary | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
boarded a cruise liner from Southampton. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
They went to South Africa under the pseudonym of Mr and Mrs Hood. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
The trip took about a month | 0:11:52 | 0:11:53 | |
and they were only in South Africa for about four days | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
and then they travelled back here to the UK. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
It was shortly after that that Herbert got the job here, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
at the Woolwich Arsenal, as a clerk, which sparked all sorts of rumours | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
about the reason for that trip to South Africa. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
Was he indeed being asked to spy | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
on behalf of the Boers against the UK? | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
Spy conspiracy or not, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
Mary had used the pseudonym Hood before | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
on a suspect trip to South Africa with Herbert. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Just months later, she used it again | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
to conceal her identity in Great Yarmouth. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
On the 22nd - the day of her killing - | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
she headed out dressed up | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
and met this brother-in-law under a clock. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
And then, at about 9pm, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
Alice Rudrum saw her meeting a man by the town hall. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
What's clear is there was at least one other man, if not more, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
hobnobbing with Mary Bennett in the days leading up to her killing, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
and that's obviously very, very important | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
in a backdrop of a situation | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
where we don't even know why she was in Yarmouth. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
A really murky picture. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
Testimony given by the Rudrums at trial | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
revealed that Mrs Hood received a letter postmarked from Woolwich | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
just days before she died. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
And we know that Herbert Bennett was working in Woolwich | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
and he was living in Woolwich at the time. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
Yeah, but why, if Herbert Bennett killed Mary Bennett, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
would he have written that letter | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
from Woolwich to her address in Yarmouth? | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
Surely, that would be a lead to him. That doesn't fit. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
We really don't know, with any certainty, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
what Mary was doing. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
There's a connection with Yarmouth, obviously, for the Bennetts, | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
and she was in Yarmouth, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
but beyond that, it's just a mystery. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
Seven weeks after her murder, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
the police finally uncovered Mary's true identity, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
tracing her to Bexleyheath via a laundry label | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
found in an item of clothing. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
Herbert quickly came under suspicion | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
and was arrested on the 6th of November. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
He told police that, on the night of the murder, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
he was drinking in a pub in Woolwich with two friends, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
but his friends failed to corroborate his alibi. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
He had the wrong weekend. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
Paul has arranged to meet relatives of his great-grandmother | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
in that very pub. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
-Hello. -Are you Paul? -I am. -I'm Kim. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
-Hello, Kim. -Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. Hello. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
-This is my mother, Deborah. -Hello, Deborah. -Hello. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
-Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you, too. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
-We are... -We are related. -We are! -We are indeed. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
-Fourth cousins? -It's up that far, yeah. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
I think so. We have William Clarke in common, I think. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
That's correct. That's my great-great-grandfather. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
Both are descendants of William Clarke, Mary's father, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
and Kim has a surprise for Paul that could shed light | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
on their ancestor's enigmatic past. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-So, this is Herbert and Mary Jane. -Oh, wow. How did you come by this? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
Well, I believe this was in William's possession. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
-Right. -So, it's quite important... | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
-Yeah, absolutely. -..to me, in that respect. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
Kim believes this photo was taken | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
shortly after Herbert and Mary married, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
whilst on honeymoon in Great Yarmouth. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
They both knew Yarmouth. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
They've both been to Yarmouth as a couple. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
He may have been telling the truth that he wasn't actually in Yarmouth | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
at the time of the murder, but we know he'd been up there. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
There was obviously something going on, wasn't there? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
They were nefarious characters. Neither of them was squeaky clean. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
No, no. Something else that's sort of been thrown out there, isn't it, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
-that he was a spy? -I think that was a red herring. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
It would be nice if we could say whether he was definitely guilty, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
or if he was definitely innocent. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
-I'm not sure that will ever happen. -No. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:36 | |
There might be something conclusive out there. We don't know. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
-Well, yeah. I'd like to see it, if there is, definitely. -Definitely. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
It seems Herbert was regularly a stranger to the truth. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
He HAD been to Great Yarmouth, and more than once, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
as the police would soon discover. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
For now, they had their prime suspect in custody. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
So, did he have a motive? | 0:15:56 | 0:15:57 | |
Sasha, what would you say Herbert Bennett's motive | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
for murdering Mary Bennett was? | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
They were a married couple who were estranged. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
There was evidence that their relationship was tempestuous, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
and he was engaged to be married to someone else | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
while his wife was still living. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
Upon his arrest, Herbert had asked that his new fiancee, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
a parlour maid called Alice Meadows, be informed. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
Did Herbert want rid of his wife to marry his new love? | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
The prosecution were entitled to suggest | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
that there was an identifiable motive to kill her, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
to separate himself from a woman he was already separated from. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
But it doesn't really make sense. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Motive was by no means the central plank of their case. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
And, in fact, you can take out the proposed motive altogether, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
and still have a fairly strong circumstantial case | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
against Herbert Bennett. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Alice Meadows arrived at Woolwich Police Station | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
to discover that her new fiance was a married man. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
But she, too, had a revelation. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
Several weeks before the murder, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
the couple had visited Great Yarmouth, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
staying at the Crown And Anchor Hotel. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
News of Herbert's arrest quickly spread through the press, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
who began a campaign to convict him, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
portraying Mary as the innocent victim, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
strangled by her deceitful husband. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
Paul has returned to Great Yarmouth to search the local archive. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
He wants to see for himself how powerful the story was. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
This would appear to be from the Yarmouth Mercury, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
the very first journalist's account | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
of the murder of my great-grandmother. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
"The tragedy on South Beach. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
"Suspected case of murder. A mysterious affair." | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
Then goes on to reveal the facts as they knew it at the time. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
This was my great-grandmother. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
Sorry. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
They're talking about my grandmother, my great-grandmother. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
What strikes me in this | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
is the level of detail that they go to. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
Everything's here in the paper. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Anybody could come forward with quite a detailed witness account, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
and not actually have even been there. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
You could make yourself a witness in this murder. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
How would anybody be an unbiased juror? | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
Herbert had been tried in the paper before they'd even got to court. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
He did not have a very fair trial at all. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
Couldn't have had. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:02 | |
The man faced with the arduous task of defending Herbert Bennett | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
was the eminent barrister of his day, Sir Edward Marshall Hall. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
He insisted the trial be moved to the Old Bailey in London | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
in an effort to mitigate the prejudice against his client. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
The case against Herbert relied heavily upon the testimony | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
of key witnesses from Great Yarmouth, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
but how reliable were they? | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Herbert Bennett always denied that he was in Great Yarmouth | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
on the weekend of the 22nd of September. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:38 | |
However, he had been staying at the Crown And Anchor | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
on two previous weekends not very long beforehand. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
As far as the weekend of the murder is concerned, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
five separate witnesses place Herbert Bennett in Yarmouth. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
Can I just show you where they would have been? | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
The first witness is a man called William Borking, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
who was working at the South Quay Distillery - | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
very close to where Mary was in lodgings | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
at the Rudrums' guesthouse. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
Mr Borking saw a man he identified as Herbert Bennett | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
with a woman he identified as Mrs Bennett | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
in their distillery between about 9.30 and 10 on the 22nd. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
So, really, within hours of Mary's death, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
he places both of them together. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
We just don't know how accurate or reliable a witness he was. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
He gave very brief evidence, it was damaging, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
but how detailed it was is a matter of concern. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
At about 11.45, two people from the Crown And Anchor, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:48 | |
Edward Goodrum and a witness called Reid, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
both see Herbert Bennett arrive, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
and he says to Mr Goodrum that he needs to catch | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
the 7.20 train the following morning. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
The following morning, we then have a witness | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
who sees a man he identifies as Herbert Bennett at the station. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
So, all of these witnesses present a pattern | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
of Herbert Bennett's presence in Great Yarmouth, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
and his movements in Great Yarmouth. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
We know that this is a case where | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
there were huge problems with the media. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
In the case of Goodrum, he sold his story to the press. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
The judge himself had described the press's coverage of the case | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
as a disgrace and a scandal. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
The press had tried, condemned, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
and effectively executed Herbert Bennett | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
within 24 hours of his arrest. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
Clearly, they'd done irreparable harm, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
and that has to be the backdrop to historic consideration | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
of the safety of the conviction in this case. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
The eyewitness testimony is simply one aspect of this case. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
This is a very strong circumstantial case, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
and each of the strands so far has held together. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
The manner in which witnesses gave evidence in 1900 | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
gives rise to real anxiety. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
Cross-examination was very brief. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
Issues weren't comprehensively probed. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
The trial was unrecognisable from what it is today. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Eager to learn more about the man | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
who defended his great-grandfather... | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
-KNOCK ON DOOR -Come in. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
..Paul has arranged to meet barrister Sally Smith. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
-Hello. -Hello, Paul. It's very nice to meet you. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
She's written a recent biography about Sir Edward Marshall Hall. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
-Come and have a seat. -Thank you. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:39 | |
-Well, this is fascinating. -Isn't it? -So, you're Herbert Bennett's...? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
-Great-grandson. -Great-grandson. And as you know, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
-Bennett was defended by Sir Edward Marshall Hall. -Yes, yes. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
He was famous for getting more people off the death penalty | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
than anyone else ever has. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:55 | |
-And, of course, he wasn't successful in this case. -No. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
It was undoubtedly one of Marshall Hall's failures. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Marshall Hall always thought Bennett was a very clever man, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
and he said that the whole hallmark of that murder | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
was not that of a clever man. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
You know, there were so many obvious things | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
he could've done to cover his tracks... | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
-Yes. -..that he wouldn't do. -Yes. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
And he was convinced of Bennett's innocence. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
Of Bennett's innocence, yes. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:21 | |
Despite losing the case, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
at a time when there was no recourse for appeal, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
Marshall Hall never gave up the fight | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
to save Herbert from the gallows. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Marshall Hall wrote to the Home Secretary, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
and to an old friend of his, Forrest Fulton. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
"My dear Fulton, I am much concerned about that man, Bennett. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
"Worthless scoundrel though he no doubt is, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
"the more I think of it, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
"the more convinced I am that he never murdered that woman." | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
His great difficulty with the case was that | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Bennett wouldn't admit that he'd been to Yarmouth. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
-At all? -At all, ever. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
-Because that was really pretty obviously a lie... -Yeah, yeah. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
..the jury were very unimpressed by the rest of his story. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
Marshall Hall's last-ditch effort to save Bennett failed. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
Herbert's inability to account for his whereabouts | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
on the night of the murder cost him his life, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
but was it proof of his guilt? | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
Hoping to find an answer, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
Jeremy and Sasha are re-examining the details of the murder itself. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
Does the murder weapon offer any clues? | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
Sasha, Mary's body was found on the beach. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
She'd been strangled with a mohair shoelace tied round her neck. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
One knot at the back of the head and one on the left front side. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
It's very curious, isn't it? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
Because a mohair shoelace would not be the first choice of weapon | 0:24:42 | 0:24:48 | |
if you were planning a murder. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
There is evidence that the shoelace had actually broken at some stage, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
and doesn't suggest to me | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
that this was necessarily a premeditated murder. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
So, could Mary have been murdered in an opportunistic attack? | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
A young couple on the beach that night, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
Alfred Mason and Blanche Smith, had come forward with information | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
of a curious incident in the sand dunes. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
The evidence of Alfred Mason and Blanche Smith | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
was that they heard what they thought | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
was a romantic encounter on the beach at about 11 o'clock. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
They heard a woman's voice saying, "Mercy, mercy, mercy." | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
They didn't interfere because they didn't think that there was | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
anything violent or un-consensual taking place. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
But now, looking back at it, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
that that was actually the occasion on which Mary Bennett met her death. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:44 | |
According to Dr Lettis, who conducted the postmortem, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
Mary had died about 1am. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
And, of course, at that time, the evidence is | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
that Herbert Bennett was already back at the Crown And Anchor. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
The medical evidence and the eyewitness evidence | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
are at loggerheads. They can't both be correct. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
The testimony of the couple on the beach | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
tallies with the eyewitnesses who placed Herbert | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
back at the Crown And Anchor by 11.45, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
but the police doctor suggested time of death was later. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
Could this put Herbert in the clear? | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
Jeremy and Sasha are seeking the help of Home Office pathologist | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
Basil Purdue. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
Basil, knowing what we know today, how reliable would it be | 0:26:25 | 0:26:30 | |
for a pathologist conducting a postmortem | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
at eight o'clock in the morning | 0:26:34 | 0:26:35 | |
to actually pinpoint the time of death | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
as six or seven hours previously? | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
First of all, I don't know what the scientific basis was | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
for that calculation. It's not made clear at any point. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
Even if one makes allowance for that, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
it has to be said that that narrow a band of time of death | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
is completely unreliable. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
Even given the best modern methods of calculation using | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
accurate temperature measurements, the bracket is far, far wider. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
And, in any case, pathologists are pretty cautious | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
about giving evidence of this kind | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
when there are so much better external methods | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
of finding these things out that we now have - | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
CCTV and phone evidence and things of that sort. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
So, inherently, there's no scientific basis, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
and in a single word, it's baloney. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
Thank you very much indeed. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
So, the only evidence remaining to indicate time of death | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
is that of the couple on the beach, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
which supports the case against Herbert. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
But Sasha has just taken delivery of a significant treasured item | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
that could be far more enlightening. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
To obtain physical evidence that can be re-examined | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
from a case over a century old is extremely rare. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
Jeremy, look at this. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
These are the original exhibits from the trial. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
This is the actual necklace that was found in Mr Bennett's home address. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:17 | |
It was said at the trial to be the exact necklace | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
that Mary was wearing. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
You'll remember this photograph was taken three days before her death. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
So, of course, it was a critical piece of evidence. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
Because if that is right, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:29 | |
it would appear that the necklace was taken off her | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
whilst she was at Great Yarmouth, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
which, again, would point to Bennett being the murderer. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
Given the importance of these exhibits, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
I suggest that it would be really helpful | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
to obtain some modern-day expert help | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
to see whether this necklace can really be linked | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
to the necklace shown in that photograph. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
The barristers have asked forensic experts Harry Smy | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
and Maria Maclennan to analyse the photograph using modern techniques. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
Will they be able to say definitely whether the chain worn by Mary | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
in the photograph is the same chain found in Herbert's possession? | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
We have a very, very small photograph here, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
which is almost impossible to see | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
for those of us who don't have fantastic eyesight, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
but you've managed to enlarge it quite considerably. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
We've blown it up to about 75%. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
If we then blur out some of the background material | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
so we can focus more on Mary herself, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
and then lighten the area... | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
You don't want to go too far, edit it too far, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
where we go to the realms of manipulation, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
to then we're altering what the picture tells us. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
At the time of the trial, magnifying glasses were used. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
How much improved would you say the procedure is today? | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
I could give you both a magnifying glass | 0:29:48 | 0:29:49 | |
to look at the image now, and you may see different things. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
This way, we don't have the same degree of difference as we would, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
say, looking at a picture through a magnifying glass. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
-So, Maria, you are really an expert in jewellery? -Yes. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
So, what we would like from you is an opinion about | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
whether this necklace can be matched with the item of jewellery | 0:30:05 | 0:30:11 | |
worn by Mary on a photograph taken before her death. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:16 | |
At the trial, there was much contention between | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
whether the design that we see in the photo was that of a chain, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
or that of a rope design. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
The design we have here is a chain. We can see the individual links. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
However, I think it's entirely possible | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
for either design to be photographed in a way that | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
it can be interpreted as one or the other. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
-You've looked at another photograph, Maria, is that correct? -Yes, we have. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
If what we have in this second photograph | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
is also the same chain as Mary was seen wearing | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
in the beach photograph, we can see a very clear example | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
of just how differently an item can photograph in different contexts. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
Looks much thicker, for starters. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:55 | |
It does, absolutely. Much more prominent. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
Even today, with our more modern procedures, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
we can't use jewellery as a reliable, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
-foolproof piece of evidence. -So, does it concern you that the jury | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
were told by one of the experts at the trial | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
that the chain here was what can be seen in the photograph? | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
It was speculation, and it was opinion at best, I think. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
You're saying that it cannot be said with confidence | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
that the item that's seen round Mary Bennett's neck... | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
-Yes. -..on the beach photograph is this original exhibit chain? | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
It would be quite dangerous. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:28 | |
And might perhaps have misled the jury? | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
Yes, I think so. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:32 | |
Something as subjective as this, absolutely. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
-Thank you both very much indeed. -Thank you. Thank you. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
Could this be the breakthrough that Jeremy needs | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
to unsettle the original conviction? | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
Maria's opinion has made me feel much less certain | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
about whether Herbert Bennett was rightly convicted. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
Paul has returned to London for an update on the investigation. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
-Hello, Paul. -Hello. -How are you? I'm going to just put this down. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
He has no idea what valuable evidence | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
the barristers have been able to obtain. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
Well, we've had some very interesting discussions | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
with people about the evidence. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
But before I tell you any more, I want to show you some things, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
-and you may want to put your glasses on. -Oh, Lord. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
All right, this has to be done with gloves. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
This is the original photograph. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
And even with glasses, I can't see the chain. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
So, wait for this. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
This is Mary's chain. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
-Oh, Lord. -I know. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
This was the chain that was the exhibit in the case, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
and this was the chain that the prosecution witness said, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:04 | |
with certainty, was the chain that Mary was wearing, all right? | 0:33:04 | 0:33:10 | |
This was the chain that was found in Herbert's lodgings in Woolwich. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
-Can I touch them? -Put gloves on because it's very precious. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
-If we hold it up just so it can... -I didn't realise it was so long. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
I know. It's very, very lovely. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
-That's gorgeous. -I know. It is. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
-I know! -After all this time... | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
There you are. But it's lovely, isn't it? | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
-It is. A crucial piece of evidence. -Absolutely. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
Now let me put it here. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:40 | |
Feel free to touch it, as long as you've got the gloves on. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
-Yeah. -All right? | 0:33:43 | 0:33:44 | |
-And this is the original photograph? -Mm-hm. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
-That is so tiny. -Mm. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
-And there's my grandma. -Mm. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
-That's amazing. -We've spoken to some experts | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
in jewellery and photography, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
and I want Jeremy to tell you the results. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
What's emerged is some very important information. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
The forensic jewellery experts said | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
that it wasn't possible to say, with any confidence, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
that this necklace is the one that Mary is wearing on the photograph. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:19 | |
It went further than that because, in her view, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
it was wrong and dangerous for the prosecution | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
to suggest that the jury could be sure. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
And if the prosecution wrongly tried to convince the jury | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
that it was the same necklace, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
then that may be an avenue for opening up the case again. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
Yes. It's fantastic. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
I'm just totally blown away, at the moment. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
It's... Oh, my hands can't stop shaking. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
As to how this is going to move the case along, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
I'll have to leave that in the hands of the barristers. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
And, hopefully, they can put as strong a case | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
as they possibly can to the judge. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
There are fundamental questions about the safety of the conviction, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
and at the moment, I feel positive, yes. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
None of the new evidence has caused me to feel uncomfortable | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
about the safety of these convictions, | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
but I would like to look at the trial papers, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
and, in particular, I'd like to look at the judge's summing up. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
Buoyed by the revelation of potential new evidence, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
Paul has one last important visit to make. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
He's arrived with his daughter, Rebecca, at Norwich Prison, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
where Herbert was hanged. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:34 | |
The prison chaplain has difficult information to show them. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:42 | |
Now, I can tell you that he was prisoner number 1,622. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:50 | |
Herbert was the second... | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
..person to be executed. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:54 | |
And here, we have the records. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
Goodness gracious me. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
And he would have immediately been buried. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
-Straight away? -Straight away. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
Removed him from the scaffolding and taken him to... | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
-Taken from the scaffold. -..and out to the burial plot? | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
Put in the coffin and taken straight away. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
Now, if we stand on this side, please. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
There's a cross at the top, and it says, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
"12 men were executed in this prison between July 1898 and 1951. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:40 | |
"Their bodies are buried here." | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
-Are they one on top of the other? -No. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
So, there's 12. One, two, three... | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
Unmarked. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
-I'll leave you in peace. -Thanks, Father. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
I find that hard. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
It's just horrible. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
I found that tremendously moving. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
And it just makes me even more determined | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
to get my great-grandfather exonerated. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
Judgment day has arrived. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
Jeremy and Sasha will soon make their submissions | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
before His Honour Judge David Radford. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
For Paul, this could be the start of a legal process | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
to clear his great-grandfather's name, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
or the judge could uphold the original conviction. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
-Hello there. Hi again. Nice to see you. -How are you? | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
I'm fine, thank you. Nervous. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
It's time for us to go in and see the judge, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
-so follow me, we'll go in. -OK. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
Judge Radford has over 40 years of experience at the criminal bar, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
and sat at the Court of Appeal. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
For this programme, he'll be treating this matter | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
as he would any other case. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
We are here this afternoon | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
to consider whether the conviction of Mr Bennett | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
for murdering his wife in 1900 | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
is, in my view, a safe or an unsafe conviction. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
-Mr Dein? -It's my submission that this was a weak, questionable, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
and highly circumstantial case. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
Bedevilled by press sensational reporting, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:44 | |
the kingpin of the prosecution case | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
was the finding of a necklace at Mr Bennett's address in Woolwich. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:54 | |
At trial, the prosecution placed very heavy reliance | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
on the proposition that the necklace that was found | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
at Mr Bennett's address in Woolwich | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
was the necklace worn by Mrs Bennett on the beach. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
However, in the course of this inquiry, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
we've had the benefit of very great assistance | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
from two modern-day experts. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
Based on the original exhibits, the evidence of the two experts | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
casts very serious doubt on the safety of Mr Bennett's conviction. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
One simply cannot say that the necklace recovered | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
from Mr Bennett's lodgings was the one worn in the beach photograph. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
There is more than enough information to suggest that | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
the two photographs we have reveal different necklaces, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
and in the circumstances, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:43 | |
Your Honour should regard Mr Bennett's conviction as unsafe, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
and declare that it ought to be reconsidered. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
-Yes, Miss Wass? -Your Honour, the Crown say that | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
this was a compelling circumstantial case. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
There is very clear evidence | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
that Mr Bennett was in Great Yarmouth | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
at the time that his wife was murdered. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
He was seen in her company. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
He was seen without her within a very short period of time | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
of her having been killed. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
-In terms of the publicity and the intervention of the newspapers... -Yes, that's another point. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
..no witness gave evidence | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
that they would not have otherwise given, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
and no witness came forward solely | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
as a result of press intervention. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
The necklace evidence remains important. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
This is a valuable piece of jewellery, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
not just in terms of its monetary value, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
but also in terms of its sentimental value. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
William Clarke gave evidence, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
he identified the necklace that had been taken | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
from Mr Bennett's lodgings in Woolwich, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
and he positively identified the necklace | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
as being the necklace that his mother | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
had asked him to give to his daughter, Mary. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
And that provides strong support | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
that the necklace that was worn on the beach photograph | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
was more likely than not to have been the necklace | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
that was found amongst the defendant's property | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
when he was arrested some time later. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
Yes, well, I'm grateful to both of you for your submissions. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
I now wish to consider them before I reach my own conclusions. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
Sasha has highlighted that a strong case remains against Herbert. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
Paul is unimpressed with Jeremy's submission. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
I wanted to say so much in there. I really wanted to say so much. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
I wasn't given the opportunity to. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
What Jeremy has done, Paul, is exactly the right thing, | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
because there's no point in Jeremy saying to the judge, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
"We don't like the verdict." | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
No, but we could offer an alternative. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
Well, in fairness to Jeremy, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:49 | |
he put forward the strongest arguments that there were, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
and I think we've just got to try and wait patiently | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
until the judge comes up with a decision. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
-And we don't know what that's going to be. -No. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
Jeremy has presented the only new evidence | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
uncovered by the investigation, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
but will it be enough to question the guilty verdict? | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
The judge has reached his decision. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
This new evidence, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
which Mr Dein relies on, from the photographic experts, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
may that have rendered unsafe the jury's verdict, which, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
given the very strong cogency, in my opinion, of the other evidence | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
that the prosecution were able to rely on, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
properly guided by no less than the Lord Chief Justice? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
I have concluded that | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
there was nothing unsafe, in my view, about the verdict. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
I will now rise. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:44 | |
Well, I'm very sorry about that, Paul. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
I'm really sad that you're going to go away desperately disappointed, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
-but... -Well, it doesn't change anything. -No, it doesn't. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
My mind, on Herbert's innocence, hasn't changed one iota. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
It only can be re-examined on fresh evidence, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
and I do understand that point. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
I just wish it wasn't so limited, that's all. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 |