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This programme contains some strong language | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
We are the generation that film everything. Even our crimes. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
Go on, boy! | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
-What are you driving? -A double-decker! | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
On phones and on CCTV, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
they are uploaded and shared online. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
This film explores the world of car crime | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
and the reckless decisions made by young men addicted to speed. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
Some record their crimes and then post online. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
People recognise me for it. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
Why they think that we wouldn't be able to access Facebook accounts, I've no idea. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:54 | |
When road crashes are now the single biggest killer of young people | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
in the UK, how do they affect the lives of those left behind? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
-I thought it was some sick joke. -Stop, stop, stop. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
-Get out, get out, get out. -I can't! -Just get out. -I can't get out. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
I can't get out. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
20-year-old Sam Hobson is no stranger to uploading | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
footage of himself. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
I film myself on these little electric forklift truck things, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
driving round, reversing, picking up boxes and driving out. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
Just messing around. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
We had nothing to do at work, and it was like on a break. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
I uploaded it on YouTube ages ago, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
but you can't really find it on there, it's hard to find. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
One night Sam took the idea of filming himself to a whole new level. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:05 | |
I was with my ex-girlfriend and one of her mates and we were just | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
having a casual drink at mine - the homebrew, I made myself. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
It was probably about 9%, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
so it was quite strong, I put extra sugar in it | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
and I don't know how many I had that night - a few. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
We had run out of alcohol and that's when we just, like, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
decided let's go out and do something. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Like, see who's about, see if there's anything to do downtown. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
So we went out and just, there was just no-one about at all, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
it was just dead that night. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
We were just wandering around and it was quite cold outside, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
so we thought, let's go and sit in the back of the bus and decide what do. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
We pulled the handle and it came straight open. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Then I seen a key and then started driving. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
-What are we driving? -A double-decker! | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
I'd never driven one before, but it was an automatic, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
basically stop and go. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
Forward and reverse, power steering - it was quite easy to drive. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
-Take this roundabout the wrong way round. Go that side. -Right. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
-Go down that side. -Oh, my God, you guys. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
Drove it up past the police station, up towards the Porton area, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
turned it round there, let one of the girls have a go on it | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
and she came round the corner, smashed it into a tree. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
Kind of smashed the window! | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
-What are we driving? -A double-decker! | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
-How do you feel? -I feel good, man. -What are you driving? | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
A double-decker. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
SHE WHOOPS You crazy bitch. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
I enjoyed it, it was like an adrenaline rush really at the time. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
That's what came through. I just like fast sports cars and driving. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
-'How funny will this be in the newspaper? -I know. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
-'I picture myself in a hoody... -Hopefully not.' | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
Why do you think you filmed yourself on your phone? | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
I just think it was a memory to look back, so I just started recording. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
It was, like, it's not every day someone nicks a bus. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
I can drive cars and lorries... No, no! Don't do that! | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
-You will roll the bus over! -Oh! | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
Keep going straight ahead - we'll dump it in the middle of the roundabout. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
-No. I'll park it somewhere. -Outside my mum's house. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
Whilst I was coming round, I was saying, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
"Where shall we park it?" | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
-I thought it would be funny to park it round my mum's house. -Why? | 0:04:42 | 0:04:47 | |
So when she wakes up in the morning, she'll see a bus there. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
I don't know, I thought it was quite funny at the time. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
Just not thinking properly, but thinking stupid things like that. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
But I did think it would be a funny idea. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
-Right, stop - slow down, slow down. Really wide, really wide. -Slower. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
Steering, steering. SHE SCREAMS | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
She wasn't doing too bad, and then near the end of the journey... | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
Slow down. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
-Don't crash into any cars, please. -All right, I promise. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
Oh my God, though. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
CRUNCHING Oh, shit! | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
Park it down here, and get the fuck out, now. Stop, stop, stop! | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
SHE SCREAMS Get out, get out. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
-I can't. -Just get out! -I can't get out! | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
Oh, dear God! | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
But the excitement of joyriding can lead to more serious forms | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
of criminality - especially in urban centres like Manchester... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
..where car crime rates are some of the highest in the country. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
It's sort of, 13, 14, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
seems to be a time when they are easily influenced | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
and if you make the wrong decisions there, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
it can affect the rest of your life. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
RAPS: Saying that I'm shit | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
But I'm never going to stop till I'm number one hit in the charts | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
I want to go far Have a nice life | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
Have a nice car and you don't need crime to make a lot of cash... | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Greater Manchester Police are involved in Safe Gorton, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
a youth project that takes in the Ryderbrow Road. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
Its purpose is to make it a safer place by steering kids like Liam away from car crime. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
The crime rate round here is high - burglaries, robberies, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
car theft - everything. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
My house has been burgled twice. I didn't like it. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
That's why I think I won't do it - I'll never do that. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
It was reports of...er... | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
-vehicle and a bike. -There is a BMW 325... | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
Because of the high levels of vehicle crime, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
the police had Ryderbrow Road under constant surveillance. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
There it is. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
There's quite a little crowd on Ryderbrow Road, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
just near the junction of Goredale Avenue. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
There is a motorcycle with them, which may very well be the one. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
There's also a car parked at that junction | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
which is looking unusually warm. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
Lad on the motorcycle has obviously noticed our presence - | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
he's just dumped it and run off into an address. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
What makes a car so important to kids around here? | 0:08:11 | 0:08:18 | |
Speed, the looks. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
Like, if you had a car, you could go anywhere. Pull the chicks. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
Not getting about in the cold streets and that. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
Wouldn't mind an Audi RE or an Aston Martin. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
-Is that your dream car? -Yeah. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
One of my mates is 17 - he's getting a Mini | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
when he's 18 for his first car. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
I can fully understand why cars are desirable to people, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
because they are to me. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
I can understand that if you don't think you can ever have one, | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
but you want one, um... | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
And you're from a particular sort of background where criminality | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
is not unusual, then the likelihood is that you could easily | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
go into that sort of crime. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
It's very much the young males who grow up dreaming of being | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
able to drive fast, high-performance cars - | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
it's just the bravado that goes with it. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
They like to be seen in them, they like to be seen with the keys | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
to a high-performance vehicle and people talk to them about it. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
One set of teenage boys in particular | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
turned their love of fast cars into an inner-city crime wave. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
This bridge was a bit of a landmark, you see. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
This is the start of Ryderbrow, the other side is Dean Road. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
I came across them really | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
when they all started tagging on a lot of the walls and the bridge | 0:09:41 | 0:09:47 | |
and suchlike. "RBS" and we knew it wasn't the Royal Bank Of Scotland! | 0:09:47 | 0:09:53 | |
That was Ryder Brow Soldiers. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
People were telling us that they were in their houses | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
and they didn't want to go out, just because they would have to | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
encounter this group who were particularly problematic. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
But it wasn't just the police filming this gang - believing they | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
were above the law, the Ryder Brow Soldiers started filming themselves. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
Oh, yeah - that's where they smash into the lamppost | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
to get the camera down, with the stolen cars. Yes. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
It's just anarchy, isn't it? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Those cars are probably somebody's pride and joy. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
They probably worked hard to get those vehicles and to insure them | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
and get them legal and they are just racing them round, trashing them. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
But you can see their mates are all there to watch. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
That's what you're up against. Outrageous showing off. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
We put the cameras in place to monitor their activity, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
but when you see stuff like that, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
you realise that they are taking the mickey. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:06 | |
The type of characters that are involved and the type of bravado | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
in amongst them, you could see how they could egg themselves onto doing | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
more and more and then one thing would just lead to another. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
Four members of the gang went from thrill-seeking | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
to more advanced and dangerous levels of car crime. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
Difficult to pinch cars these days. They want the keys. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
A lot of people, UPVC doors, don't lock the doors properly, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
so the family can be sat there watching Coronation Street | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
and you've got a bunch of lunatics come bursting in your lounge, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
wanting the keys to your car - what are you going to do? | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
In this investigation, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
there was people breaking into people's houses. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
I would suggest that's more... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
That takes more than one person to do that. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
They work as a small team. | 0:11:58 | 0:11:59 | |
It was fuelled by a lot of egos | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
and trying to outdo each other, I think. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Some of them, certainly, were carried along with it. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
There were some key players, but... | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
Once you got them all together, they were all as bad as each other. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
I would say they were quite organised. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
I think they would be at the bottom end - | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
they are the risk-takers, the ones committing the crimes | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
to get the vehicle, breaking into people's houses. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
The gang didn't think twice about going online | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
and advertising their progression up the criminal ladder. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
The first person I heard about was Lucas Hunter. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
It came to my attention that there was some | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
photographs on Facebook of him with cars, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
or certainly some comments of him with some stolen cars. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
There was pictures of, certainly the guys that we were | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
talking about inside the vehicles, they were wearing gloves, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
it appeared to be a nice day, they had short sleeves on - | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
it just looked peculiar that they were wearing gloves. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
There was pictures of them stood in front of the vehicles | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
with their legs stood across the number plate, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
leaving maybe only one letter or number in that registration, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
stood posing with a key, almost as a trophy. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:28 | |
It's something we're used to. People who have committed dwelling | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
house burglaries or a lot of crime - they do wear gloves | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
and it's an old tried-and-tested way of hiding your fingerprints. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
Maybe they didn't think the police would find out about Facebook - | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
maybe they didn't think we knew about Facebook. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
They thought we were all a bit old for Facebook. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
When you think about all the technology the police | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
have got access to, why they think that we wouldn't be able to access | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
Facebook accounts, I have no idea. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
After posting their crimes, four members of the so-called | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
Ryder Brow Soldiers were charged and convicted of various offences. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
They received sentences ranging from 15 months | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
to almost four and a half years. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
-I suppose in a way it makes your job easier? -Yes, it has done. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
Yes - long may it continue. Stupidity! | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
It's the key to cracking crime. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
Hey, babe. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:07 | |
I just wanted to remind you how beautiful and perfect you are, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
inside and out. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
I love you. You are the best part of me, without you I'm half a person. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
You are the love of my life. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
One day I'll wake up and be beside you again. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
I'll be happy, because I'll be with you. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
Until then, I've just got to wait. Yours always. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
Joe Pomeroy, the oldest of three boys, was born in 1987. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
We were pretty sure it was going to be a boy | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
and we even started | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
calling him Joseph before he was born, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
so it would have been a bit of shock had it been a girl. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
Because he was the first, we both had a lot of time to spend with him. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
Changed our lives, as it does everybody's, when you have children. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
Joe grew up in a rural village in Wales, with his three best mates, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
Gareth Winyard, Jon Jones, and Josh Roberts. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
Hello, I want food, please. Can I have food? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
If you complete the bush tucker trial, you can obviously have food. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
Joe was so open, so friendly. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
I think he didn't really have any aggressiveness or animosity | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
to other people. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
I think people can relate to that, you feel drawn to him. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
Josh has been successfully evicted from the Big Brother house! | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
Even from a young age, I guess, he had that skill - | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
once you see him, you're friends - that's it. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
Cos we're a close-knit village, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
we were just really a close bunch, isn't it? | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
We weren't from a big town, it was a little village, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
so it was a really close group. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
It was me, Josh, Joe, Gaz. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Joe was kind of our leader, in a sense. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Gaz, like any of us, he looked up to Joe, respected Joe, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
loved Joe, as well. | 0:16:58 | 0:16:59 | |
Gaz was one of his best mates in the village. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
He lived a street away from him and he was a bit younger, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
so a lot of the time | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
when I saw them together, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
Gaz did look up to him as a bit of a teacher and older brother. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
As Joe grew up with Josh, Jon and Gareth, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
it soon became clear that he was academically gifted. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
Mathematics, he was just... He was unrivalled. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
He'd been offered scholarships to go to universities to do maths. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
I think he was in the top percentiles for Britain for mathematics. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
Truly, academically, I think he was a genius. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Not in the overused sense of the word. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Today, you get kids saying, "that's genius," | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
and that's what have you, but Joe was, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
in the classical sense, a genius. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
Even when he went away to university, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
Joe kept in constant touch with his friends back home. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
One of the things he was quite good at | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
was keeping in contact with people. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
Whether it was on MSN or by texting people, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
he would always have some conversation going. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
It didn't surprise me that he had met that many people | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
-and kept in contact with them. -Sit there and open your mouth. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
As part of the Facebook generation, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
Joe documented his love for life for all his friends to see online. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
At university, he met his first serious girlfriend. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
I just remember the first time I saw him. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
I thought, "He's a bit of all right!" | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
Obviously then, it was just, started talking and instantly hit it off. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
I'd always said that my dream was to swim with dolphins | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
and how I'd always wanted to go to America | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
and he planned the whole thing out himself. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
We went to San Diego, we went to Las Vegas for a couple of nights. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
We hired a Mustang and drove from LA to Las Vegas, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
a four-litre convertible. That was a beast. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
After graduating with a maths degree, Joe moved back to Wales, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
to be reunited with his childhood friends. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
In these parts, a car quite simply is a lifeline. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:19 | |
Public transport is a mess, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
there's a train and bus maybe every two hours. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
Around here, it's quite important that you need a car, really. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
But it just gives the opportunity for young people | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
to mess around, really. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
-They go too far. -Do you get a lot of boy racers in this area? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
Yeah, there's quite a few going around. Small towns and all that, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:45 | |
so they buy all these cheap cars, soup them up and go round the town | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
trying to outdo each other by who's got the best car, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
who's got the fastest, who's got the new parts for it and all that. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
It's just like competing with themselves in little ways like that. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
I remember once going on a drive with Gaz and Joe - | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
going to Aberystwyth just to get a McDonald's. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
To me, that seems pretty boring, driving for an hour | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
or so just to get some food! | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
But clearly it's something they got a lot of fun out of, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
because of that feeling of power, being able to drive fast | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
and play music loud, windows open. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Something I guess that they got kicks out of. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
You hear about these things happening, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
but you don't really expect it to happen to you, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
but you still worry about it. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
Oh, my God, though. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
CRASHING Oh, shit. Shit, shit! | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Park it down here and get the fuck out now. Stop, stop, stop! | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
SHE SCREAMS | 0:20:59 | 0:21:00 | |
-Get out, get out, get out. -I can't! -Just get out. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
I can't get out! | 0:21:03 | 0:21:04 | |
MUFFLED LAUGHTER | 0:21:10 | 0:21:11 | |
Oh, dear God! | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
I'm going to talk to you about | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
all those weird stories that you see on the internet. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
The funniest viral I saw this week was of three West Country teenagers | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
who were caught joyriding a double-decker bus. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
Now, they would have actually got away with it, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
the police hadn't a clue who had stolen bus, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
except that one of the teenagers posted a clip of it on YouTube. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
That is Jedward levels of stupidity. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
That's like stabbing someone in the face with your passport. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
It was about 11.30 in the morning, so I couldn't really remember, | 0:21:52 | 0:22:00 | |
because I had a bit of a hangover, but then I checked my phone | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
and wanted someone to see it. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:05 | |
I thought it was funny and I wanted to see if they thought it was funny. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
So I sent it to someone and they put it on YouTube. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
So tell me about the morning you heard that a bus had been stolen. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
We'd heard that it was a young lad and two girls | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
and we knew who he hangs around with. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
I saw some comments on Facebook from one of the girls. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
It said it was good at the time, but that, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
"Oh, no, I wish I hadn't done it now." | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
And I thought, "Yes, it was them." | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
I just rang him up and said, "I heard a bus has come up | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
"near where we live. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
"I just hope it wasn't any of you. I heard it was three people." | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
I said, "Were you out last night?" "No, I was in. I was in bed." | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
I think she knew, just the way I was talking on the phone | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
and saying I had nothing to do with it. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
-I think she knew deep down that I did it. -Mothers' intuition? -Yeah. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
That's the one. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
You can't get away from the fact it's all over YouTube. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
What a stupid thing to do. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
If you're going to do something like that, why put it on YouTube? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
That's when all the nasty comments came on. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Like saying, "Blame it on the parents," | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
or "They shouldn't have been born," or things like that. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
Real nasty things. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:30 | |
In the end, we had to get in touch and asked them | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
to take the comments off because it was just so upsetting. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
Why do you think he filmed himself? | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Kids do anything these days with their mobiles. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
They think anything is funny, anything good, they will film it. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
I think it's to see how many hits you can get. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
After the footage of Sam had been uploaded onto YouTube, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
it wasn't long before the police came looking for him. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
I heard a loud bang at the door and... | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
I was thinking, "Oh no, what's that?" | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
I looked out and seen a police car there and I was like, "Oh, no." | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
My heart just sunk. I didn't know what to do. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
I didn't know whether to go out then, or just stay put until they went. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
Later that day, I spoke to him and said, "Look, if you done it... | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
He said, "I have done it." He said the police had been round, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
but he hadn't answered. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:21 | |
I said, "You should go and hand yourself in." | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
I decided to get it over and done with, basically. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
They knew it was me, because they were knocking on my door. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
So...I just thought I'm going to have to face the music. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
Sam was charged with stealing a bus and criminal damage. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
As he prepared to face a judge in the County Court, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
the consequences of his drunken prank began to take their toll. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
Building up to it, I was just... | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
getting drunk every day, just to try and block it out. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Taking antidepressants and trying to block it. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
It just kept dragging on and on. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
He kept appearing to go to court and it kept getting adjourned. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
I didn't know what was going to happen - | 0:25:14 | 0:25:15 | |
I knew I was going to get sent down, but I thought it was going to be | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
for a really long time and I started feeling suicidal. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
He was getting very down. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
He kept saying that he wanted to end his life | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
because he didn't want to be sent into prison. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
He ended up in hospital because he went to the bridge and jumped. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:39 | |
He broke his ankles and ended up in hospital having an operation. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
He had to have pins put in. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
I'm glad I didn't die at the end of it. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
It was just a stupid mistake that popped into my head. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
I acted impulsively on it. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
Sam received a 15-month driving ban | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
and a sentence of six months in prison, | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
but ended up serving just nine weeks. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
What was prison like? | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
It wasn't as bad as I thought was going to be. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
I got on with everyone there. They recognised me anyway. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
They seen it on TV in prison, on the news. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
Then, they said what am I in for, and I told them | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
and they said, "I've seen that on TV" and they said, "fair play." | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
No-one was injured when Sam went on his joyride in a bus. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
But every day, five people die on British roads | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
and almost one in four is under 25. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
The plan was to go to Aberystwyth to go Christmas shopping, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
because it was just before Christmas. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
About 20 days, something like that. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Gazza stayed at my house the night before. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
We texted Joe to meet us so we could get off. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
Like an overcast day, I suppose. The roads were quite damp. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
It had been drizzling. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
I'm sure it was drizzling, actually, on the way to Aber. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
The roads were a bit greasy. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:31 | |
Gaz was driving obviously, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
I was in the front and Joe was behind me, I think. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
We were just chatting away, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
listening to music as anybody would in the car. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
It was just a normal drive, I think. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Quite an erratic drive, just normal of Gaz, nothing was different there. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
When you say erratic...? | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
It was just an above-average pace of driving, if you like. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
Driving fast, basically. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
Just needlessly driving fast, I suppose. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
We came up to these corners and Gaz lost control of his vehicle. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
Um, and then... I can remember... | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
I can remember bracing myself, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
because I knew we were going to come off the road. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
The car was fish-tailing, so I knew | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
we were going to come off the road and so I just braced myself and... | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
just blacked out then. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:19 | |
I remember waking up. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
The car was in the ditch, pointing downwards in the ditch. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
I remember waking up and Gaz was saying to Joe, I think, shouting. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
He was saying he wasn't breathing, he wasn't breathing. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
I got out the car. I was bleeding quite badly from my head. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Managed to make my way onto the road and I flagged down the traffic. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
I can't remember exact details. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
I actually arrived at the scene, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
fire brigade and ambulance already here. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
Joseph Pomeroy had been taken out of his car | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
and was in the back of the ambulance when I got here. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
The weather was atrocious at the time. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
It was raining really hard and it was dark. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
We found a tyre track in the middle of the road | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
that corresponded to his rear offside tyre, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
that showed he was going around in a bit of an arc like that. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
He's then overcompensated by steering sharp to the right. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
He came across the road here and was heading into this gap, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
but when he came off the road surface, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
he was travelling in this direction. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
The front of the car was facing that way. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
As he's gone off, he's gone sideways, like that, so the tree itself | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
was collided with the roof and the back window, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
or the back passenger window of the car, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
which is where Joseph Pomeroy was actually sitting. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
So he's gone sideways into the tree. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
The car has wrapped itself around the tree to a certain extent | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
and then dropped onto the driver's side into the water down below. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
Initially, the biggest problem I have at the scene of a collision like this, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
where somebody has been killed, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
because everybody has got mobile phones and Twitter | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
and all the rest of it, our biggest problem is that we have to rush | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
to try and tell the families first, before they find out any other way. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
I was upstairs and I saw... | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
It was about the time Joe was going to come home | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
and I saw a car pull up in the drive. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
It had a roof rack on it and I thought, that's odd - | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
don't know any people with roof racks, then the doorbell went | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
and it was two police officers and I realised that the car - | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
it was the lights on top of the roof, it was a police car. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
I realised it was serious because two police officers turned up. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
They... They just told me straight that there had been a crash | 0:30:51 | 0:30:57 | |
and that Joe had been killed. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
We were just at my brother's flat when David phoned and, er... | 0:30:59 | 0:31:06 | |
My brother gave me the phone straightaway. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
David had just said, "Can I speak to Sue?" | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
He knew something was up. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
And, er... | 0:31:13 | 0:31:14 | |
I mean, there's just no describing the feeling. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
-I almost fell over, really. -I got to see Joe in the mortuary. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
He was still warm. You know, he hadn't been dead that long. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
So there was still some warmth there. But he was a bit... | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
Bloated and... Well, he'd been in a car crash. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
Blood coming out of his ears and nose. I just burst into tears. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
Tried to mop some of the blood off, just thought | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
if I clean him up, maybe he'll come back. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
You just can't imagine seeing your own child lifeless. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
First off, as soon as I heard it, I didn't want to believe it. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
Because that weekend, they had been down to Cardiff to see Hayley | 0:32:22 | 0:32:29 | |
and on their way back, they called me to see if I wanted to go | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
to Aber with them, so I could have been in that car as well. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
I was at home, actually. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:37 | |
I remember Mum coming in, looking, er... Looking quite pale. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:45 | |
Sort of hand on her mouth. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
She turned to me and said, "Have you heard the news?" | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
And I said, because I was tired, I said, "What?" | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
She said, "It's Joe." "What about Joe?" | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
And er, she said, "He's dead." | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
This, it's one of those things, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:06 | |
you think it's a Chinese whispers to begin with. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
In a place like this, you always hear bad news | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
and it's always worse than it is. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
That's the first thing that came to mind. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
A friend of Pom's from Wales, Martin, who I'd met quite a few times previously, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:22 | |
he rang me up and said that there was something | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
about Joe on his Facebook wall that he didn't really understand, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
and I guess at the time he didn't want to believe it was true. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
And, er... | 0:33:33 | 0:33:34 | |
Then I looked at that myself and saw that people had written condolence messages | 0:33:34 | 0:33:40 | |
and things saying goodbye. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
And so, then it kicked in. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
Back then, it was, like, Facebook was a pretty newish thing to me, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:53 | |
so I was on there every day. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
You get into this craze of everything that happens, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
you have to post up. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Seeing other people have lost people | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
and you just hear about all these memorial pages on Facebook. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:09 | |
In memory of, you pay your respects on that. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
So... Yeah. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:16 | |
I fully understand that I was probably the first one | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
to write on his page. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
I love you, man! | 0:34:23 | 0:34:24 | |
I don't want to believe any of it. You're my best friend, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
you showed me how to enjoy life and were always there when I needed you. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
The memories I hold, I will cherish. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
I just can't believe that you are gone! | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
I will never forget you, Joe. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
As the news of Joe's death spread on Facebook, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
Hayley received a text message from one of his friends. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:54 | |
I thought it was some sick joke. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
I asked him what he meant, what had he done? | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
I texted Joe, I rang Joe, I rang Jonno countless times as well, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:19 | |
because they are the only people whose numbers I had. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
Um... | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
Then, because I wasn't getting any answer, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
I phoned Joe's house phone. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
And then, obviously, got the confirmation. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
The image, my mum's face, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
as she came in with her hand on her mouth... | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
..looking ghostly, I think... | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
..convinced me that it could be true. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
'A man has died after the car he was travelling in | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
'crashed on the road near Machynlleth in Powys. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
'The second man, who suffered serious injuries in the accident | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
'on Sunday is being treated in hospital...' | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
As the news of Joe's death was confirmed, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
it was revealed that driving the car was his best friend Gareth. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
I said to my mum, when she called me up, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
I said on the phone, "Gareth was driving, wasn't he?" | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
And she said "Yes". I think... | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
That speaks volumes for him, to know that everyone knew he was driving. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:25 | |
I was put in charge of deciding who would be a pallbearer for Pom, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
and as Gaz was one of his best friends, I knew that even though | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
he was the perpetrator in some people's eyes, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
that he should be there. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
-We didn't object at the time. -No. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
We just thought, it must be a terrible accident... | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
Something that just happened. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
I think we were all very supportive of Gaz. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
I remember being at the grave and having my arm around him, | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
because he was in tears and I think Gaz was one of the strong characters. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:07 | |
So to see him in tears, it was clear that he was... | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
You'd never see Gaz in tears otherwise. Yeah. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
He was a very strong character and to see him like that, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
it meant something that what happened had happened. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
It really, really cut Gaz and again, in the church, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
we were supportive of him afterwards, but... | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
We extended that sort of... | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
friendship to him, we maintained that friendship to him, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
but it wasn't really reciprocated. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
It was after the funeral, as far as I knew, immediately after, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
he kind of severed all ties. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
Within a week or so, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
there was pictures of him going out, having fun, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
getting drunk on Facebook. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
And then just things that he'd put up on there were just | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
as if nothing had happened. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
-After the funeral, Gareth never came up, did he? -No. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:06 | |
Never heard from him again. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:07 | |
Really, after the funeral, it started... | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
our thoughts started to change. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
Some people didn't go to the funeral | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
because Gareth was going. That made us think, "Why?" | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
In 2010, there were almost half a million reported incidents | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
of car crime in Britain. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:39 | |
I guess, like a lot of guys, I'm just a bit of a petrol head. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
I like the noise, smell - it's the same with motorbikes. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
It's just a very sort of gear-head attitude, I guess. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
Probably a bit of a boy thing, in as much as it's fast cars, chases. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
I enjoy that sort of thing - | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
not necessarily the thrill of the chase, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
but I do enjoy the cops-and-robbers element of it and winning. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
We operate at the maximum speeds of the vehicles that we use | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
and in the vast majority of cases, those are limited to 155 mph. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:26 | |
There are odd occasions where you can get up towards those sort of speeds. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
I think we have become slightly desensitised to speed. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
The speed of 100 miles an hour to most people don't mean anything. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:40 | |
People feel overly protected by these metal boxes they are driving. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
They think that if something goes wrong at 100 miles an hour, that yes, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
there will be a horrible crash, but they will walk away from it. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
One morning in April 2011, Heath was starting a patrol like any other. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:58 | |
It's all right, isn't it? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
We'd been informed by the control room that there had been | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
an activation on one of the automatic number plate cameras in Peterborough. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
So that was less than half a mile away from us, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:22 | |
so it was just a case of travelling towards each other, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
so we just made progress to the roundabout | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
where I caught a glimpse of what genuinely looked like a red Mercedes. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
Once I'd got the number plate clarified and was 100% sure | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
we were behind the vehicle, it was in traffic at a junction on London Road. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:45 | |
Element of surprise, we were in an unmarked car, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
could quite easily have opened the door, | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
set of handcuffs and that's the end of it. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
-That didn't work... -Why? | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
The fact we had our sirens on was probably a reasonable reason. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
SIRENS WAIL | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
-I've been on the railway since 1977. -TRAIN HORN | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
So I was 35 years on the railway, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
I've been a driver in my own right since '82. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
I suppose, inherently, the job was safe. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
It's just other people you have to be aware of. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
CRACKLY RADIO RECORDING | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
London Road... Across the green traffic lights... | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
'It still raises the hairs on the back of my neck, just looking at it. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
'Go through all the thought processes and everything.' | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
We're back through a residential area here, at 50, 60 miles an hour. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
The traffic's light, but if I'm honest with you, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
it's on the edge of what we'd be prepared to accept and follow at. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
There was so much going through my mind, if I'm honest with you. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
Approaching the double roundabout. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
It was an afternoon shift, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:04 | |
probably around two or three o'clock in the afternoon. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
It was a fairly full unit of people standing. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
Somewhere in the region of 200 plus. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
Everything just went as normal. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
'I can hear the flutter in my own voice, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:23 | |
'but you're desperately trying to sound calm, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
'because it's important that you're calm | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
'and get the right information across' | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
and get some good instructions across as to where we were heading | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
and the sort of conditions we were up against. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
'Even now, I still feel a bit light in my tummy when I watch it.' | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
..Towards the fire station... | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
'..see if we can get this thing up and running. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
'Helicopter notified, please. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
'Dog en route, if you've got one available.' | 0:43:08 | 0:43:10 | |
Wrong side of the road... | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
'One minute, you're thinking, | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
' I'm going to call it off, next minute, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
'no, I'll let it run for a little while.' | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
I think that would have been much the same to him at any given stage. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
All he's got to do is indicate to the left and pull over | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
and it's finished, isn't it? | 0:43:36 | 0:43:37 | |
'It frightens me, the way I didn't see it sooner. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
'As we're approaching the railway crossing, | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
'and there's no oncoming traffic, it still didn't twig with me | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
'that that was primarily because the level crossing was down.' | 0:44:04 | 0:44:09 | |
There's no way on this earth we were going through that. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
No, I never in a million years | 0:44:25 | 0:44:26 | |
thought he'd go through the train barrier. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
I've seen a red flash and at the same time as I saw the debris, | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
and put the brake on, I could hear the police siren through the window. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
Just basically pressed the brake as an emergency and hoped for the best. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
I remember hearing there were passengers on it | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
and it sort of sunk in then what I could have been involved in. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
And it made me shudder. It really made me shudder. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:58 | |
I thought, it sort of... | 0:44:58 | 0:44:59 | |
I got quite emotional, if I'm honest and thought... | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
"I could be partly responsible for a horrendous accident." | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
I mean, the death toll alone would have been... | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
It's not worth thinking about. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
Really can't see how people like that, how their minds work. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:18 | |
No regard for his safety | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
and especially my safety as well, and my passengers. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:25 | |
The vehicle was found some miles further up the road, abandoned, | 0:45:25 | 0:45:30 | |
with substantial damage to the front and the windscreen. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
There was DNA left actually in the damaged windscreen. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:39 | |
Eventually, 20-year-old Terence Fowler was arrested and charged | 0:45:40 | 0:45:45 | |
with a variety of offences, including reckless driving. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
He received a sentence of three and a half years in prison. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
The one thing I would actually like to know is why he didn't stop. | 0:45:53 | 0:46:00 | |
Why not just pull over? It's just a stolen car, at the end of the day. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:05 | |
What was so important, because accidents, collisions, | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
whatever you want to call them, they happen. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
As a result, people die. It's almost become, well, it happens. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:16 | |
That's fine, until you're the one who's got to deal with it, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
or you're immediate family or closely related to someone | 0:46:20 | 0:46:25 | |
involved in something like that and, yeah, it's life changing. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
In the aftermath of Joe Pomeroy's death, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
Gareth Winyard's driving became the focus of the investigation. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:40 | |
It soon emerged this wasn't the first time Gareth, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
who had recently lost his father, had been involved in a crash. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:47 | |
He'd been convicted of drink-driving before, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
he'd been involved in a collision before. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
But he obviously had his licence back. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
But for a collision like this, | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
what I've got to be able to concentrate on is his driving | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
just before the collision and at the time of the collision. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
I've obviously seen him speeding, the police have seen him | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
do this or the other, driving maybe a little bit too quickly. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
I took a statement from a local garage owner up in the village. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
He changed the tyres on the car about four times in 12 months. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
And when I spoke to the garage owner, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
as far as he was concerned, the only reason you need to do that is | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
because he was doing so many wheel spins and boy racer type moves, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
he wore out four sets of tyres in a year. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
Gaz was a very sort of "look at me" kind of person. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:43 | |
He always had to be the alpha sort of guy. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
When he got his car, it was kind of just an extension onto that. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
It was him, just trying to one-up. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
I did know that Gaz was a previous offender for this kind of thing, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
but it never really struck me as something too serious. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
He seemed to talk about that kind of thing as if it was a film. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
You do really when you're young, you just assume you're immortal. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
You don't think the worst thing, do you? | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
There is no point of saying, "Can you slow down?" | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
Is just not the thing to do, is it? | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
Many held Gareth responsible. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
Others were prepared to take into account | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
his father's illness and recent death, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
accepting that this had had a profound effect on him. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
It was obviously mixed emotions... | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
About Gaz, his situation, some people loved him, | 0:48:28 | 0:48:33 | |
some people felt sorry for him. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
I was definitely one of those people that felt bad for Gaz. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:40 | |
In the sense that he didn't get in that car | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
to kill one of his best friends. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
I hadn't known that he hadn't spoken to Sue and Dave | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
or anything about it, so I presumed everything was, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
not sorted - that's a horrible thing to say - | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
but everything had been spoken about, if you like. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
I thought things were under control. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
I didn't know at this point that he hadn't acknowledged | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
to Sue and Dave what had happened, or apologised or anything. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
So, you know, I... | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
My reaction was, I wouldn't mind getting back friends with him | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
because at the end of the day, it was an accident, | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
it's happened, people have got to move on, haven't they? | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
But how he's reacted, it could have been different, couldn't it, really? | 0:49:20 | 0:49:26 | |
I would like to think that he lives every day | 0:49:26 | 0:49:31 | |
with a little bit of regret that he is constantly thinking that | 0:49:31 | 0:49:37 | |
if I had just done this, or hadn't done that, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
that things would be completely different. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
I'm sure he is. He was his best friend as well. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:47 | |
Nobody wants that to happen to their best friend. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
Do you think he needed Joe more than ever? | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
Trying to deal with what he had done? | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
I think if that car crash had had any other person die in it, | 0:49:56 | 0:50:04 | |
then Joe would have been the rock that held Gaz together. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
But without Joe, I guess Gaz just | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
crumbled a little bit and didn't know where to turn. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
The investigation into Joe's death took almost six months to complete. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:26 | |
Eventually, Gareth Winyard pleaded guilty to causing death by careless driving. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
He received a 16-month prison sentence. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
I think we would have liked it to have been longer, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
not just as a punishment to him, but to show other people | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
that it wasn't socially acceptable to do that sort of thing. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:47 | |
It wasn't really an accident. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
I mean, if you go into a crowded pub with a gun | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
and start shooting randomly, then you're going to kill somebody. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
It's just the same with driving like that. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
You've got a car, you drive like that, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
sooner or later, you're going to kill somebody. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
It must be really difficult for Gareth to maintain friendships | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
with people he's obviously hurt. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
Sure you've heard it by now, but everyone was a victim, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
everyone who knew Joe was a victim of what happened... | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
..and for Gaz I think it must have been incredibly difficult. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
I can understand from his point of view, I guess, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
it must have been damn near impossible to have Dave and Sue forgive him, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:38 | |
to be able to look at them and be able to get on as normal, as it were, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:43 | |
after it happened - it must be quite tortuous. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:46 | |
I know that for a couple of weeks after that, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
I was really, really depressed | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
and so just writing on his wall constantly and... | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
At that point, you think, if he wrote back, | 0:52:00 | 0:52:05 | |
or if he knocked on the door now, I wouldn't be at all surprised, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
it wouldn't be like, "Oh, my God, you're alive," | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
because you still don't believe that he has actually gone. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
Facebook in a way kept him alive. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:21 | |
Two years on, Joe's page is still active. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
It's weird writing on the wall like that, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
because he's never going to read it. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
You don't know who you're writing to, really. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
Sometimes messages are there just for the sake of the person writing them, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
so they can voice their thoughts aloud. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
Sometimes it's there to comfort everyone else who knew him. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
I think it's testament to the guy that people still remember Joe. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:48 | |
They still find time to say, "Hey, I'm thinking of you." | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
For me, it's not the best thing to get over a person. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
Instead of just like, that moment has passed now, | 0:52:56 | 0:53:02 | |
don't forget about it, just move on, sort of thing. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
The bond forged between us is not one that can be broken by absence, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
distance or time. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:16 | |
I love you more than you'll ever know, Joe Pomeroy. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
You always were and always will be the man of my dreams. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:25 | |
How does writing messages like that | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
help you deal with what happened to Joe? | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
It feels like talking to him. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
Sort of telling him stuff that you've done. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
It's a big help, actually. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
CRACKLY POLICE RADIO | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
As part of a road safety initiative, | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
police released the footage of Terence Fowler's reckless driving. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
It became an instant hit on YouTube. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
I think it became such an internet hit | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
because it's one of those things you have to watch just to believe it. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
You can't believe that somebody would do that. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
Terence Fowler essentially obtained a reasonable level of kudos | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
from this particular incident. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
I think there are people that are quite willing to do silly things | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
for such recognition. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:22 | |
Fortunately, they are few and far between. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
After serving his nine-week jail sentence for stealing a bus, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:30 | |
Sam Hobson has just got his driving licence back. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
But he still hasn't deleted the footage off his phone. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
I suppose it's a memory I can look back at that. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
I know it was a stupid idea and a stupid thing to do, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:44 | |
but you do that and you stand out more to everyone. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
I wouldn't do it again. I've done it now and I'm not going to do it again. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:53 | |
Three of the so-called Ryder Brow Soldiers are still inside. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:58 | |
But the police are sceptical | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
on whether or not this will be the end of their criminal careers. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
I would imagine we'll probably see them again, in honesty. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
Prison has differing effects on different people. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
Some people just can't stand it, | 0:55:15 | 0:55:17 | |
other people almost enjoy it in a perverse sort of way. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
You're getting fed, you're with your mates who are like-minded, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:27 | |
you just talk rubbish all day. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
Then go to sleep and start again the next day. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
And for killing his best friend Joe Pomeroy, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
Gareth Winyard served eight months of his 16-month prison sentence. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:43 | |
He still lives in the village of Llwyngwril, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:48 | |
just 300 yards from Joe's family. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
He's got what he deserved, hasn't he? | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
He committed the crime, he should pay his time. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
But it's not going to bring back Joe, at the end of the day, is it? | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
It won't bring back Joe. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
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