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This programme contains some strong language and scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:09 | |
We're the generation that film everything. Even our crimes. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
On phones and on CCTV, they're uploaded and shared online. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
This is the story of two violent attacks | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
on the streets of south London. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
Crimes with tragic consequences, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
which were fuelled by camera phones and YouTube rivalry. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
The offenders created a trail of video evidence, for the police to chase | 0:00:40 | 0:00:45 | |
and for those left behind by the crimes to live with. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:52 | |
That's...that's horrible. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Oh, it's just so upsetting to see him run for his life. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:01 | |
I was 17 when we moved to Tooting. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
I thought it was very lively down there. A place that doesn't sleep. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
Even at night you've still got loads of people | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
walking around on the streets and stuff. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
The street where I live is just off the main road. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
It's got a church and a mosque. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
This is one of the oldest mosques in the UK. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
This was founded by the pioneers, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
the first generation immigrants, if you like. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
I felt that Tooting was a safe place when we first moved there. Yeah. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
I don't think it's any more or any less secure | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
than any other part of London. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
I think the CCTV cameras have been outside for some years. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:23 | |
I can't remember exactly when they were installed. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
It's part of the fabric of society, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
if you like, that there are cameras everywhere. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
It's good business, perhaps, you know, being in the CCTV business. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
Two-days after we moved in, I first met Leon Elcock. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
He lived next door to me. I said, hi, and he just kind of smiled back. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:51 | |
My mum liked his mum. They chatted a lot. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
We became quite friendly with them. Inviting each other to barbecues. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
We went to his sister's wedding. Leon was about 14. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:09 | |
Just seemed quite quiet. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
Didn't seem like he could hurt a fly when we first met. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
Well, I've known Ekram Haque for over 30 years. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
We did a lot of activities together, both here at the mosque and socially. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:29 | |
He was really, if you like, part of my family. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
Just so loving. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
He was so, so loving. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
He liked us eating, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
like, I think, every Indian because my mum, "You haven't eaten enough. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
"Eat more, eat more." He was the same. He loved cooking. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
He cooked better than my mum. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:55 | |
She doesn't like that fact, but it's true. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
When he came into our lives he replaced one father | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
and, you know, we objected somewhat, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
as children you do, and you would, but he quickly became | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
our father and what we knew of a father and what a father should be. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
Now, can we eat? | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
When we first moved there, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Leon only had like a couple of friends that would come round. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
As the years went on, his friends became more and more. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
You'd always see them out and about, | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
but you'd always see one of them as well with a mobile phone out, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
filming what they were getting up to. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
Oh, my word! Oh, my word! | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
SHOUTING | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
That's Leon. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
I just thought it was boys being boys, just hanging around. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
I mean, nothing else to do with their summer. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
They started staying up all night and stuff | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
so you would be able to hear them all night. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
You'd never go to the window to see what they were getting up to, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
but you would always hear them laughing hysterically outside. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
They then started to troll passers-by, just on the street. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
That's Leon. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
That's just him on his bike. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
The man with the bald patch. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
Wait, wait. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
That's him happy slapping a complete stranger just walking along the road. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
Whatever they got up to, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
they just always seemed like it was something funny. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Just to hear them laughing hysterically. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
Do you recognise the man on the bench? | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
Yeah. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
You'd see this character every day, sitting outside on the benches. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
That's an appalling bit of footage. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
You can clearly see that's a vulnerable gentleman who's there. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
They've selected him because he's vulnerable. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
You heard the sound of that hit. That was a big, heavy hit round the back of the head. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
A complete cowardly attack on a defenceless woman | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
minding her own business, coming out of a shop. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
Nobody should be subjected to violence like that. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
People going about their business in the street, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
they've done nothing to provoke it. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
There's no reason for it, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
and these people think they can do what they want to anybody they want. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
That's how we get down on the fucking streets nowadays. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
There aren't enough people that report these assaults | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
so they do go unnoticed. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
The person who's committed that offence | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
is going to do it again and it will get worse. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
Ekram spent his retirement most of the time with his granddaughter. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
Marian was my stepfather's world. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
He adored her. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
And she was just the most delightful little...little girl. Oh, my... | 0:08:26 | 0:08:33 | |
She was beautiful. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
He was just so happy to have a grandchild. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
I'd just come back in from shopping | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
and I'd noticed that Leon and his friends were sitting across the road | 0:08:51 | 0:08:56 | |
on one of the neighbour's fences. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
The old lady whose fence they were sitting on just came to her front door | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
and it looked like she'd just asked them, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
"Please, just get off my fence." | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
They decided to go up to her front door and attack her. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
I saw Leon kick the woman and his friend push her down. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:24 | |
How old was she? | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
She was quite elderly. I would say about 70, 80. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
The rest of the boys laughing at what they were doing. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Just heard laughter again. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
I became scared from seeing that. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
I didn't know whether or not to go out and help her | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
or call the police, even. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
I became in a state of shock. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
-Were you scared for yourself? -Yes. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
To know that somebody who was capable of doing that | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
to the neighbour that lived across the road | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
lived next door to me. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
POLICE SIREN | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
My husband called the police. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Leon and his friend ran across the road back to his house. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
I then ran upstairs to see which way they'd gone | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
and I went in my mum's bedroom because we could see them from her window, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
and just saw him sitting on the trampoline. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
No remorse, no guilt on their face. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
Carried on laughing and chatting | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
like they'd just gone to the shop to pick up sweets or something. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
While this old woman is across the road, injured. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
I felt like I had to do something. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
I opened my front door and ran across the road | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
to tell the police where they were. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
They took him down to the station in handcuffs. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
Leon was released the day after. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
He'd come back out onto the streets again. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
That's footage from directly outside the front door of Tooting Police Station. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
They are obviously becoming increasingly brazen. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
We have a month of fasting, as I'm sure you're well aware, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
and it's called the month of Ramadan. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
What normally happens during Ramadan | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
is that there's congregational prayers here just before sunset. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
That particular night, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:22 | |
congregational prayers had finished, people had had their meal, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
having broken the fast. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
Ekram went out to have a cigarette and I joined him. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
There was no sense of danger at all. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
I mean, we were, just like any other evening, standing merrily talking. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:45 | |
Ekram's granddaughter, Marian, tended to be with him all the time. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
And of course she was standing with him just outside the mosque. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
Ekram said, "Can you get me a cup of tea?" | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
So I said, "OK, I'll go and get a cup of tea." | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
I went inside the mosque. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
There was no way of knowing that within 30 seconds to a minute | 0:13:14 | 0:13:19 | |
a horrendous situation would have arisen. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
I heard Marian saying, "Papa, Papa, Papa." | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
I rushed back quite speedily, and saw my friend lying on the floor. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:46 | |
He was unconscious. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
My first reaction was to take Marian away from the body lying on the floor. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
I didn't think that he was attacked at that moment. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
Perhaps he might have fainted or...or anything. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Of course, there was ample CCTV footage, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
and that's how we realised there was some kind of an attack on him. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
The details were somewhat unknown. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
There's been some sort of an attack. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
My stepfather was in hospital. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
He was in a bad way, that's all we knew. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
Mr Haque's family and friends were extremely upset by what had taken place, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:55 | |
and couldn't understand why Mr Haque had been targeted. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
How could this happen? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
He had his mobile with him, his wallet was with him, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
so it wasn't a robbery. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Usually there is a clear motive. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
It's either crime-related, there's been a fall-out amongst people, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
there's been violence. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
As he was at the mosque and he was attacked, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
I assumed it would have been to do with race, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
a racially targeted attack. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
In this case, we didn't have a motive. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
It was inexplicable why it happened. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
It made all of us completely bewildered. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
We seized many hours of footage from many, many cameras. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:37 | |
Local businesses, buses. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
We were able to get some really good clear shots of the suspects, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
and they were very, very well known to the police and the local community. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
He couldn't have gotten up to that again, surely? | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
Not after what we'd witnessed on the weekend. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
And after what we told the police. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
His granddaughter was standing there right beside him, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
and she doesn't look to be more than three or four. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
I just keep thinking, "What if that had been me or one of my sisters?" | 0:16:31 | 0:16:37 | |
Just the lack of respect. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
Doing it on your own doorstep. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
The following day, we were told by the police | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
that these were youngsters who lived locally. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
We were also told that one of the boys was involved | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
in a peculiar accident with his finger outside the mosque. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
After the attack, Mr Lyazi clambered over a fence | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
and he caught a ring he was wearing on a spike | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
and actually degloved a finger. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
St George's is a big casualty department. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
I'm sure, if they'd given it any thought, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
they'd have realised that their victim was going to the selfsame hospital. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
A group of young thugs have attended the hospital | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
and you can actually see friends of Mr Haque who'd been at the mosque with him | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
actually pass within feet of the very people who attacked him. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
They don't seem to be very sorry | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
or remorseful or in any kind of state of distress. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
I mean, look at this fool, actually dancing in the corridor. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
These just look like boys - carefree, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
joking around, messing around, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
while just across the corridor there's a man dying. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:59 | |
They were arrested very quickly, I think in a matter of 24 hours, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
and it became clear through the investigation | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
when we seized mobile phones that we found what are termed as happy slapping videos. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:21 | |
Lane Gang Productions. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
What time do you get to town? | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
Well, that's not slapping, is it? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
That's a lot more than a slap. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
Going over and thumping someone on the back of their head. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
The man with the bald patch. Wait, wait. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
Lane Gang Productions. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
Why do they film it? | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Why would you film it? | 0:19:56 | 0:19:57 | |
Why would you film something like that? | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
To show their friends. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
To show other members in the gang who weren't about. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
And also to show the world. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
-Lane Gang Productions. -Lane Gang Productions. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
They were shouting "Lane Gang Productions" as they were hitting people | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
so clearly they thought they were making movies. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
Lane Gang Productions. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:24 | |
I'm of a certain age where I don't understand things like happy slapping. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
So I go to my reference library, my children, to ask them what it means. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:44 | |
They said, "Dad, this sort of thing that goes on, youngsters who attack people." | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
And they record that on their mobiles and upload it to the computer, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
onto the internet for everyone to see. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
So that was the motive, if you like. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
It was part of that activity, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
which, you know, for some peculiar reason is called happy slapping. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
People do post some of the most amazing things online | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
that are accessible to anybody. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
Often quite incriminating evidence, which later comes back and bites them. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
Why do they do that? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
They're stupid. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
I think they feel empowered to be able to post something up like that. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
"I'm going to do this now, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
"and everybody else is going to be able to see it and think, 'Wow, that's so great.' " | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
And then someone will do something | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
and it will be better than the others. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
Whose is the funniest? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
You know, who can get the weakest? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Lane Gang Productions. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
You know how we get down. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
This is how we get down on the fucking streets nowadays. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
The way they attacked my stepdad was not like that. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
That was a step up. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
They both simultaneously came at him. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
And that was totally different. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
It seems like they've upped their game. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
Unfortunately it's an all-too-common injury. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
It's classic, erm, where there's a heavy blow to the head. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
The injury causes instant unconsciousness | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
and, as the victim falls to the ground, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
they're unable to protect themselves | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
and the back of the head strikes. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
There's a counter-shock as the brain moves in the skull | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
and it causes a massive injury to the front of the head | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
so it ends up in double impact. And many, many deaths... | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
I've dealt with that over the years, where that has been a fatal injury. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
I never wanted to believe that he would die. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
I said to him, "I can't...I can't lose you. I can't lose someone else. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
"I can't lose another dad." | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
There were moments during the period that he was there, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
we felt there was some improvement because maybe he moved his finger | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
or maybe an eyelid and we were all excited that he was improving. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
But then, obviously, the situation wasn't improving at all. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
He died seven days after being taken to the hospital. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
It was how he died that really hurt me. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:26 | |
It hurt to breathe. It just hurt to be alive. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
You want justice. You want them to pay the price. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
We were advised by the Crown Prosecution Service | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
if these people were prosecuted for murder, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
they would not get any prison sentence at all. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Therefore, we were told that the only option available | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
was to go for manslaughter. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
Elcock received four-and-a-half years' imprisonment. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
Lyzai received three-and-a-half years' imprisonment. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
I felt quite upset that they got so little punishment | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
for a crime of huge magnitude, of killing an individual, really. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
That's what it is at the end of the day. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
An individual life has been taken away | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
and not only a life has been taken away, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
but it has also left an imprint on a young granddaughter. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
The best outcome would be that these children realise | 0:25:33 | 0:25:39 | |
and realise greatly what they've done | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
cos I hope it keeps them awake at night. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
And I would warn people about the dangers of joining gangs. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
People who think this is funny and again, it's not. It destroys lives. | 0:25:53 | 0:26:00 | |
There's eight of us. Zac was the youngest. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
He was the baby, he came after Naomi. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
When he was born, the doctors said that he had sickle-cell disease. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
He was really small. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
They said he was several years behind what his growth should have been. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
We used to share a room. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
When we would go to sleep, I would hold him | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
because...I'm a bit weird, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
but I would be afraid that something would happen to him. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
Cos he was so small, I think he felt he had to be a bit louder. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
That was why he was so outgoing and why, like, he had something to prove. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
He was more confident than me. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
He can speak in front of a group of people without getting nervous | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
whereas I'm kind of nervous speaking in front of five people. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
We both liked doing characters. In our family, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
that's what we're known for. We just do silly characters. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
That's my brother! Straight. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
Zac was really close to our dad. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
It was predominantly females in the house | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
so they had that bond where it was the two boys against us. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
Zac was ten years old when my dad died. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
I kind of neglected talking to him at the time. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
I kind of had to be, obviously, the man of the house | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
and be strong for my mum and stuff like that | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
so I kind of neglected talking to him about the most important thing. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
He just probably wanted his big brother to be there to say, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
"You know what, everything's going to be all right" | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
and I wasn't there for him. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
Young black boys need a male figure and sometimes, | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
if he ain't getting it at home, then he's going to get it somewhere else. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
Zac started having problems in school. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
We kind of felt that he was getting in with people | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
who were having a bad effect or a bad influence. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
That time in secondary school when girls are on your mind, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
the more you're in with that crowd, the more girls start to notice you | 0:29:21 | 0:29:27 | |
because nowadays, it's not cool to be smart. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
It's cool to be like an outlaw. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
The school weren't happy that he was always getting into trouble | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
and they said that he'd need to go to a pupil referral unit, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
which I think Park Campus is. Yeah, and that's how he ended up there. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:49 | |
Zac was a bubbly character. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
Certainly a larger-than-life personality. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
He was well liked, he could be very respectful | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
but he could also be quite rude. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
His behaviour was reflective of his emotional state at the time that he came to us. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:14 | |
He probably hadn't processed the bereavement of his father | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
and his behaviour was reflective of that. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Mainly, the challenges were around verbal defiance. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
There were no issues, as we saw it, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
in terms of Zac being physical towards pupils, toward staff. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
However, we got to know that he was involved in some gang activity. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
For Zac, living in Tulse Hill, there was a lot that came with that. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:49 | |
Like many inner-city areas, there was gang activity there. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
For a lot of the guys, they don't first and foremost see themselves as gang. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
They see themselves as family. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
For someone like Zac, he grew up in the area, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
went to school with boys in the area. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
Whether he would have intentionally done so or not, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
he would have had an association with what was known to be a gang. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
The young people here are from different areas of Lambeth, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
different gang areas. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
They come together here as a school community. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
Tensions were known about. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
We didn't expect it to be something that came to our doorstep. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
HE RAPS INDISTINCTLY | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
Were you aware of the GAS Gang? | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
Yes, I was aware of GAS and I was aware of TN1. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
And I knew that Zac was involved with TN1. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
I was aware of the rivalry between TN1 and the GAS Gang. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
Is it turf rivalry? Is it about the amount of money they make? | 0:32:11 | 0:32:18 | |
Is it about... What IS it about? | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
I think it's very much about areas. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
Certain people from certain areas feel like that's THEIR area, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
that's their territory and you can't come into it. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
Those guys upload those videos, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
almost like a dog marking its territory. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
This is who we are, this is where we're rapping. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
Anyone can go on to YouTube right now and see the GAS Gang parading themselves in Brixton, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:55 | |
talking about their exploits. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
They will cuss, send for, abuse other areas. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:04 | |
Think about the irony of this. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
You've got these guys on the worldwide web, and what are they doing? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
"Yeah, W this, SE this. Slash whatever, blah blah." | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
They're stuck in their postcode on the worldwide web. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
But the problem is, these guys get a false sense of security | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
from the ease by which they can put themselves forward on YouTube. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
They can jump in front of a guy with a phone and you're with your boys! | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
You're with the mandem. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
So you feel protected, you feel like, "Yeah, it's safe." | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
But they forget that... | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
even just getting their face in YouTube videos | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
marks them as an associated individual | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
with that particular gang at that particular area. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
So they don't have to have done anything to anyone. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
People will test them. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
People will come after them because their face is known, their face is bait. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
There were times when Zac was afraid to go to Brixton. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
We lived down the road from Brixton, we lived ten minutes away from Brixton. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
We thought, we didn't grow up like that. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
We don't want him to grow up like that, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
where he can't go ten minutes down the road | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
without fear of somebody attacking him, and he was scared. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
My mum was like, "No, we can't live like this. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
"I'm not going to let my son live like this because | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
"what if someone does attack him?" | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
Zac wanted to break away from that involvement in a gang. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
And he was crying out for help. Zac wanted an out. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
We were working to support him, and as far as we were concerned, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
he was making really, really good progress in that. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
Zac turned a corner. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:00 | |
He had an aim which was to get back into mainstream schooling | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
and Zac was quite clear about that. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
He got involved at a conference organised by the London Serious Youth Violence Board. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
He spoke to an audience of 120 professionals | 0:35:15 | 0:35:20 | |
and he was very good at explaining what he wanted | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
and how he was going about leaving or getting away from what he'd got into. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
My little brother went to school that morning. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
He was where he should have been, at school. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
And these boys came in a car. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
I was in my office and I heard some screaming and shouting. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:47 | |
I quickly went along to the foyer | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
where there was a lot more screaming and shouting | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
and kids were running in different directions. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
Something... Something was wrong. Something was very wrong. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
I heard shouts of, "They've got knives!" | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
My team was on call for the whole of south London. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
We took the call in the office | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
to say that there'd been a stabbing down at Park campus. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
We made our way there immediately. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
That is an image of the front of the school | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
and that is one of our students being attacked by a man with a knife. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:33 | |
That boy was not an intended target of the gang. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
He was only stabbed because he was there in the immediate vicinity. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
That's...that's horrible. It's... | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
It's one of our members of staff who sees what's happening | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
and tries to stop what's going on. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
I immediately ran outside to try and find out what was happening. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
There was panic among the students. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
It seemed to be coming from the road opposite. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
That's footage of Zac being pursued along the street. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
He's actually fled from the safety of the school. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
That's quite amazing footage, I haven't seen that footage. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
Clearly, you see Zac | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
chased by two, three, four. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:55 | |
Scary in a way. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
Chasing him like you chase an animal. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
They were on a mission, weren't they? | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
Within seconds of that footage ending, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
Zac was pursued into a back garden. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
There was a horrific...scream. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
A green Nissan car screamed round the corner. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
I managed to get over the road to where... | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
..to where I found Zac was lying on the floor. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:38 | |
His eyes were open but he didn't look conscious. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
I bent down and just very lightly placed my hand on Zac's chest | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
and I couldn't feel a heartbeat. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
I could feel myself going into shock. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:07 | |
Very distant, very displaced. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
I just said a little prayer, to be honest. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
I was sleeping. I heard the phone ring. My mum was downstairs. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:22 | |
She screamed, and it was a scream where it was like | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
a scream that comes from really deep down inside. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
I was at work. I just thought, "OK, he's been stabbed, that's bad. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
"I need to go." But didn't think it was serious. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
I thought, "OK, let me call him." | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
It was just ringing and then I started getting scared | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
and then I called him again and it was just ringing. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
I quickly put on some clothes and I put on my shoes and I ran with my mum to the school. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
There was loads of police. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
All I wanted was to get in there because I thought he was there. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
The police officer said, "He's not there." | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
I tried to get a cab. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
There were no cabs so I was getting really, really frustrated | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
and it was such a beautiful day | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
and I was thinking nothing bad can happen on such a day. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
We got to the hospital. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
The nurse said, "We're going to let you in to the operating room." | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
She was like, "The only reason why we're doing this | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
"is because there's a slim chance." | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
Temi drove. We got into the car. We were trying to get there | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
and we know the way to the hospital. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
-I didn't know what way I was going. -We were crying and she couldn't drive properly. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
It just seemed like we were driving for hours. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
I need to get to the hospital, I need to get there. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
He was just lying there and they were operating. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
His chest was open and you could see all of his organs. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
At first, I literally just felt like that's not my brother, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
until I went closer and I saw his hands and his feet. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
My mum started to come out of the operating theatre and I was like, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
"OK. Mum, it's OK, he's going to be fine." | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
Then she stopped and she just looked at me and she was like, "He's dead." | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
I saw my mum and I was just hoping that someone would say, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
no, he's actually made it or he's all right, he's still hanging on. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:23 | |
My mum was crying and everyone was crying and then I realised it was... | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
that he was gone. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
Yeah, I don't know. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
I literally left this house | 0:42:35 | 0:42:36 | |
thinking that I was going to come back with him | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
and he was going to be hurt but he was going to be OK | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
and never in a million years did I think I was going to lose my brother. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
You know? I just... | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
the one person that I just didn't want to lose because I felt so protective over him | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
and I just felt like the one time | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
that I should have been there for him, I wasn't. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
I was sleeping, and that just crushed me. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
I couldn't believe it because, as we said, he was moving forward. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:19 | |
A 15-year-old schoolboy has been stabbed to death in a confrontation outside his school. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:24 | |
Stabbed to death before the school day had even begun. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
Police are now trying to work out why he was killed in such a cold-blooded way. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
We didn't really have an idea of what was fully involved until, | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
through the day, as more information was coming in | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
and speaking to witnesses and some of the children who had been present | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
when this was all going on, some names were mentioned. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
A particular gang had been mentioned as being involved in this. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:54 | |
I knew quite early on from the police | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
that the perpetrators of this crime were from the GAS Gang. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:05 | |
This is footage from YouTube. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
Four of the five suspects appeared in this particular video. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
That's Jamal Moore, he features quite heavily in a lot of the rapping | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
throughout YouTube, where this gang are present. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
Karl Kinghorn here. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
Here, you see Jamal Moore on the left, | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
Helder Demorais on the right and in the middle of their heads is Ricardo Giddings at the back. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:39 | |
I think they look like any other gang of kids in London at times, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:46 | |
but it was a vicious attack on a small 15-year-old boy. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:51 | |
Zac was stabbed in the left buttock, twice to the chest. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:58 | |
He had an injury to his neck and there were also injuries to his hands | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
where we believe he tried to fight off his attackers. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
One line of inquiry the police are working on | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
is that Zac was the victim of gang rivalry. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
15-year-old Zac and his younger friend were confronted by a rival gang. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
And they said this was a gang attack or something like that. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
It's a bit painful because it's kind of like they are neglecting | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
the real issue and are not looking at him | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
because Zac was, like we said, obviously, he was small | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
but he was 15 and he looked like he was about 11, 12. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
A lot smaller than his peer group | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
so for something like that to happen to him, | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
it really upsets me that people... | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
..people were looking for a reason for it. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
He wasn't innocent, in a way. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
That's kind of what they're saying and that's what hurts the most, I think. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
Initially, all the suspects denied presence at the scene. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
It's quite clear that they were CCTV savvy. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
That's why they were wearing hoods. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
In this particular case, the CCTV trawl extended over several miles | 0:46:06 | 0:46:11 | |
gathering the movements of all the subjects. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
3,000 cameras' worth of footage | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
and thousands of hours of viewing required to prove identification. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
Clothing, trainers, heights. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
Karl Kinghorn was the tallest, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
Ricardo Giddings had a particular walk. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
A march, an army-style stride. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
Helder Demorais had a bow-legged gait and a small round head. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
Jamal Moore - very distinctive nose. Quite a long nose. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
Although the hoodie is pulled very tightly, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
you can see the nose sticking out. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
-It's amazing how much you know about them. -Yeah, it's worrying, really. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:48 | |
It did feel like we were almost part of the group because we had seen so much of them. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
But we were satisfied that we could say on the day of the murder | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
who was where and at what time and what they were doing. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
The attacker immediately behind him was Ricardo Giddings. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
He is then followed by Kyle Kinghorn who is second in the chase. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:14 | |
We then have Jamal Moore. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
Helder Demorais was identified as the driver of the car. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:28 | |
We know at this time while this is happening, the other suspect | 0:47:29 | 0:47:34 | |
has gone off on an attack of his own, if you like. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
He's attacking the other boy still at the school. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
As we watched through this footage, we noticed that... | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
..his left hand comes out and touches the post before running off. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:49 | |
This information was passed on to our forensic experts. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
They were able to lift some prints from the post. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
He was later identified as Shaquille Haughton. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
That's the five. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
We had a meeting with the police and they showed us | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
when Zac was being chased. That was hard. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:20 | |
That was really, really hard seeing that, especially the first time | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
seeing him run and just seeing him there on the screen. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:27 | |
It was so real. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
You want to do something. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
You want to go to the screen, like you want to be there as he's running | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
so you can stop them, but you can't. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
The way it happened, it was like he was a Mafia boss. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
Like it was a hit on a big person, but he was just a small person. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
Before that, I was just imagining all sorts of things | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
and I think you imagine the worst, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
like the worst it could possibly be because then it can't get any worse. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
Seeing it, seeing what really happened helped to stop | 0:49:02 | 0:49:07 | |
certain parts of the things I was playing over in my head. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
Whatever punishment they're going to get, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
it's not going to bring my brother back | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
so you want to do something to them. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
I was just having so much | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
these thoughts that I really shouldn't be having | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
like hurting them and hurting their families and stuff like that. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
I really shouldn't be thinking that. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
It was only my family, my friends and God | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
that kept me in such a calm way that I kind of like... | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
got the revengeful thoughts out of my mind. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
When I think about sitting in the court and seeing the boys - | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
they were boys. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
These guys already had an online identity. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
They were used to engaging with technology | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
and yet technology contributed to them being caught and convicted. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:13 | |
They claimed not to be in a gang | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
or have any involvement in gang activity | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
and then they played a video to the court. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
We did do some work to prove that the gang that these boys were a member of | 0:50:32 | 0:50:38 | |
were a gang intent on crime rather than their defence, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
which was that they were a music group. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
Within the lyrics of this particular song, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
we were able to ascertain | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
what the gang initials stood for. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
Jamal Moore actually uses the initials in the lyrics of his song. | 0:50:55 | 0:51:00 | |
Referring to guns and shanks. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
We also used some rapping from Kyle Kinghorn. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
Quite clearly, it's reference to carrying a knife in his trainers. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
That's our interpretation, and that was in fact his admission when asked about it in court. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
I was satisfied when they showed the video | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
because the jury were like, OK. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
Do you think they were very surprised, the defendants? | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
Yeah, I think they were very surprised, very shocked. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
I think they were a little surprised | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
that we would use that sort of tactic and we do watch these things, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
the same as their peers do. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
It's out there, and if you're going to put it out there, | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
it's open to our interpretation as well. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
These gang members do think | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
that they're savvy with computers and with technology. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
What they've got to realise is we use technology to our advantage. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
We are fighting a war with technology and we're winning it. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
When the news hit of their convictions | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
and it was put on BBC and Sky, whatever, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
I saw a Facebook comment, "Wow, bare YouTube faces." | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
I think that the guys wanted fame | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
but the problem is these guys achieved fame for the wrong thing | 0:52:36 | 0:52:41 | |
and they are now paying for it at the cost of 18 years. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:46 | |
This has been an extremely painful process for all Zac's family. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:02 | |
We have had to witness the last moment of Zac's life | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
played out on screen, all the while fighting the urge | 0:53:06 | 0:53:11 | |
to reach out into the screen and help him as he ran for his life. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:17 | |
We need to stand together as the adults - | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
stop our young ones arming and killing each other. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
We cannot sit back and think | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
that because it has not touched us directly, | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
that we will not be affected by it. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
These young people are our future and they need us. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
For a good while, whenever I heard a student shout or scream, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:58 | |
and quite often they WILL in play, I, er, I would... | 0:53:58 | 0:54:06 | |
I would jump and...it was... | 0:54:06 | 0:54:13 | |
I think that event still plays on a lot of stuff, on a lot of students. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:21 | |
It's horrific. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
That smile's so Zac. That natural big smile. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:48 | |
Before Zac's funeral, we made a video and we collected pictures | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
and different video clips. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
Have you got anything to say? | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
Just really documenting his life | 0:55:08 | 0:55:10 | |
so people understand what Zac meant to us. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
Football at Brockwell Park. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
This was Christmas. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
He's impersonating Naomi there. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
All my life I've been thinking, what's his name, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
Dizzee Rascal because my name's Naomi and I'm in love with him. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
And he's reading his Bible. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
Everyone's got an opinion on young people and crime. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
To make sure your voice is heard | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
and to find out more about the issues, go to - | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
And follow the links to the Open University. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
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