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This programme contains strong language from the start and scenes | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
which some viewers may find upsetting | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
I was taking meth and I hadn't known anything would start from it. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
I noticed a knife and just looked at him, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
he looked down at the knife and looked at me and then I grabbed it. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:24 | |
Stabbed him. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
Know what I mean? | 0:00:26 | 0:00:36 | |
Better him than me. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
I wasn't getting stabbed. No chance. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
No chance of that happening. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:53 | |
No chance that I'm getting stabbed my own house. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
No chance of it. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Karma, is a bitch, you know what I mean? | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
I probably have some karma coming my way to get me, but, sure, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
if you're ready, you know what I mean? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:08 | |
I'm ready for it. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
I choosed him over me and I would do it again and again and again, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
so I would. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:17 | |
Know what I mean? | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
Don't think about him whenever you're off your face, so you don't. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:26 | |
I didn't think of him whenever I was putting it in and out him, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
know what I mean? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:39 | |
Through my years of drinking, like, you know, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
I ended up in police cells with a bit of fighting and stuff like that, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
you know, but this is completely different this time, you know. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:44 | |
It's changed me, it has. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:51 | |
Being took away from your loved ones each day, you know, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
and time to think about my own life and how... | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
The journey to now. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:05 | |
It hasn't been good, like, you know, but... | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
I just don't know, I just don't know. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
I grew up with an older brother | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
and my mother and father. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
And my older brother, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
he fell through a roof at the age of ten and died. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
And my mother and father could never... | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
They couldn't get over it at all, so they turned to alcohol. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
And from a young age - | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
I was eight at the time my brother died - | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
all I seen in the house was alcohol and... | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
..fighting and violence, you know. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
From a very early age, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
and that's all I can remember from my childhood. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:06 | |
I would say probably at the age of 14 | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
I think I took my first drink. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
I just loved it right away, you know, and it made me feel different. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
It gave me more confidence. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Just made me feel part of the... | 0:04:17 | 0:05:00 | |
the gang, know what I mean? | 0:05:00 | 0:05:00 | |
Love is a funny thing. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
I think over the boys' side they would get a better view - | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
they would have the animals, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
they would have the goats and sheep, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
so they would have over there to look at, like. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
I have, like, I suppose nothing really over there. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
But, aye, as you say, at least I've got a wee bit of a view. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:02 | |
Just keep looking there every night. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
And I'll be out. I'll be out. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
I had a good upbringing, really, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:13 | |
up till the age of 18, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
and then everything started sloping downhill. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
I got involved in the wrong crowd, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
started taking drugs, drank, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
then that period of time went on for a while, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
and then I basically became homeless and at some stage | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
I started taking legal highs. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:36 | |
They turned into big addiction problems for me for about two years. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
I just started off at parties and everybody else was doing it, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
and I thought I'll go ahead | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
and take ecstasy, take cannabis. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:51 | |
They were, like, partying from the Thursday to the Sunday. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:58 | |
But I came off all them and I was just mostly only having a drink. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
My problem was I couldn't say no to people. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
And that's how I lost my house. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
I ended up feeling sorry for somebody in a hostel, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
basically, and they started to rouse the neighbours, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
and then I got two eviction notes and then I became homeless. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:19 | |
To feed my addiction, I had to go out to thieve. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
And it wasn't just basically for myself, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
I don't know, it was for other people as well. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
And as I says, I did think these people were my friends | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
and when I came off the legal highs, my phone stopped ringing. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:43 | |
Imprisonment is not, or being in prison is not punishment. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
Coming to prison is the punishment. The deprivation of one's liberty | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
taken by the court is the punishment. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
Imprisonment is about understanding how somebody finds themselves here | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
and starting upon the journey of rehabilitation. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:21 | |
Often, people's lives are in chaos. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
There's homelessness, there's hopelessness, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
there's despair. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:34 | |
There's educational concerns about levels of literacy, numeracy. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:40 | |
For some, they've got concerns in respect of drug abuse, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
alcohol abuse, domestic violence. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
We've got learned behaviour. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:48 | |
People have been used to doing something | 0:08:48 | 0:08:49 | |
for a significant part of their life. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:56 | |
But we've got to try and break that cycle, we've got to try | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
and give people opportunity, give them faith, give them hope. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
We have to rebuild that fracture that's occurred | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
while they've been in the community. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
Can we change everybody's lives? No, we're not that good. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
No such person exists. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:20 | |
My belief is that you can get many people to a point | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
whereby they begin to reflect on what they've done. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
I don't believe you make people change their mind, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:36 | |
I think you take them to a point whereby | 0:09:36 | 0:09:42 | |
they're awakened themselves to what they've done. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
I've seen and talked to many prisoners about... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
A light starts to glow, and it's how we can build on that. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:53 | |
But it's like everything else, it's a case of getting people | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
to a point where they are far more receptive to it. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:07 | |
At school I was a bit of a messer. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
The secondary school, they says to my mum | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
they've never seen any pupil with a worse record in over 25 years, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
in La Salle Boys in Andersonstown. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
And it's basically just attention seeking, I was, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
just wanting to be the class clown, as they say. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
I done my level one and two in painting down in Twin Spires, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
and I got kicked out of there for smoking cannabis in the toilets. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
And then I started hanging around with people, like, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
who were into robbing shops | 0:10:57 | 0:10:58 | |
and burgling houses and stealing cars, car keys, and just... | 0:10:58 | 0:11:04 | |
Then I seen what they were doing and seen the money | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
that they were making and I just joined along with it. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
And liked it. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
It was an experience, it was a buzz, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
it was a good feeling of police chasing us | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
and getting away and stuff. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
And then having lots of money at the end of the night | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
and having a drink, being able to stay out all night with new friends, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
with having girls and all, having parties and stuff. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
It was just the thing in West Belfast | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
that was happening at the time. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
And it was enjoyable. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
INTERVIEWER: Back then, did you think at all about the people | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
whose houses you were going into or whose cars you were taking? | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
No. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
I didn't think about the people or how they felt. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
All we were thinking about was the buzz at the time | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
and getting the key and driving away, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
and going over 100mph and stuff | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
and selling it, maybe, the next morning and... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:12 | |
Getting new clothes and new Nike Air Max and stuff | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
and getting takeaways. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:16 | |
Two well-known men from the estate, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
I'm not going to say who they are, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
but they gave me a warning | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
and says if it carries on I'll be severely dealt with. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
And obviously it never took... | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
I never took no heed of it and I still carried on. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
I never seen them. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
I was always out during the night working... | 0:12:37 | 0:12:38 | |
Well, as I say, working. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
Always out on the scope, looking for cars to steal. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:50 | |
My mum was caught bringing me in drugs. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
I pressured her into doing it, know what I mean? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
She's out now, like, only in two and half months. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
She got early release. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
It's my fault, like, but... | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
made sure she was taken care of in here right, know what I mean? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
I'm told she was. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Everything's good, everything was good. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:29 | |
INTERVIEWER: Tell me about growing up. Do you have happy memories? | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
All happy memories. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:34 | |
Wouldn't change it. Know what I mean? | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
All happy memories. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
To tell you the truth, there's no really bad ones. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
Except from the police busting the house and all the odd time, | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
but they never got anything, know what I mean? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
That's it. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
They thought my dad was selling dope and grass and coke and all. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
And was your dad ever in prison, then? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
Oh, yeah, he was. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
He started taking blues and then that just... | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
changed him. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
He's stopped taking all that now that he's back out, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
so hopefully that's his last time. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Know what I mean? | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
I grew up without my real dad but I had my stepdad. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
The best thing, like... | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
If I didn't have my stepdad, I would have no-one to look up to. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
I call him my real dad, know what I mean? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Love him to bits, so I do. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
When did you start getting into trouble with the police? | 0:14:41 | 0:14:45 | |
Just whenever... | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
A few boys thought they were acting hard, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
so they were in their wee groups, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
so I started carrying a knife with me. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
Started smoking drugs, taking drugs. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
It all changed for me. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Can't be safe out there, know what I mean? | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
All in their wee groups. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
If you were walking home on your own, "What the fuck do you have?" | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
"Nothing." | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
It's just dodgy. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
So what age would you have been around this time? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
13, 14. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
Probably before I got out of my teens, you know, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
I had a trip to Crumlin Road. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:45 | |
Me and another friend, you know, one time, through violence. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
I remember my mother being hysterical, you know, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
when I was took out of the house by police. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
That was just the start. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:02 | |
The start of my drinking career then was just depression | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
and fights and blackouts. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:14 | |
Didn't remember what I'd done or said to somebody. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Was took to court for assault and... | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
A right few times, you know, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
when I was starting to come out of my late teens and... | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
early 20s. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
That kept going on through the years. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
I couldn't really hold a full-time job down. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
Alcohol took care of that, you know. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:43 | |
Kept not being able to turn up, you know, on Mondays. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
It used to be Mondays, but that kept being Mondays and Tuesdays, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
and people just got fed up with me, you know. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
But there were a lot of good people who kept by me, | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
stuck by me over the years and had patience with me. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:08 | |
But these people also ran out of patience with me too, you know. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:18 | |
50 years of age now and a lot of time to think here. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
Many's the day and hour I think about when I get out again, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
you know, think about all I'll be able to do without alcohol, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
how I'm going to get by. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
But... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
This time I've come to a real rock bottom, you know, in my life. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
It's going to be a life sentence, what I've done. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
The guilt and the shame I feel, you know, the sorrow. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
That's still not going to bring this man back, you know. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:13 | |
As I said, this man will never come back again. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:18 | |
I'm sorry, I just... Sorry, for a minute, just... | 0:18:18 | 0:18:28 | |
Just the guilt. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:36 | |
Drugs was the problem the last time but I'm off them, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:43 | |
Drugs was the problem the last time but I'm off them, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
it'll be a year and four months now. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
This is only over an argument. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
I wasn't even drinking or drunk, so I wasn't. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:17 | |
I don't feel like me that came in, I was down and depressed a wee bit, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
because it's like, "Oh, no, not this again. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
"Not this whole routine again." | 0:19:23 | 0:19:24 | |
Not knowing when you're going to be locked, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:31 | |
not knowing your everyday schedule. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
When you have it there, you know what you've got planned, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
what you're going to do that day. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
It's just not a life for anybody to be in, you know. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
But, sure, the law, as it is, you have to be punished for what | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
you've done if you've done anything wrong. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
But, no, it's not for me, like, definitely not for me. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:58 | |
INTERVIEWER: Tell me about the shoplifting. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
What would you do? What would you take? What happened? | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
I would take anything, anything that was going. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
I was making bags up and, like, making of ?200-?300 a day, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
like, for five months straight. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
And I was able to control my addiction problem with legal highs, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
smoking 13g because it was a tenner a packet. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
So that's how I was able to do it. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:29 | |
All sorts of things from deodorants right up to aftershaves, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
perfumes... | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
..clothing - anything if it was an easy thing. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
And then what would you do with the stolen goods? | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
I would go to the people that wanted them | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
and I'd check a list | 0:20:42 | 0:20:43 | |
and give them out what they ordered. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:48 | |
Oh, I was always off my head, so I was. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
So I didn't really care what was going on. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
I wasn't even looking where basically the cameras were, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
what was watching me, what wasn't watching me. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
I was just in and out like a whippet, basically, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
to get the job done. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
I just didn't honestly care. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
I was even caught lying straight in front of the person one time | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
and I says... | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
I had it up my sleeve and all that, I says, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
"Doesn't matter, just go and get the police." | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
That's the stage as I was coming to here, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
I just didn't care if I was stealing or not. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
Just explain to me, Helen, what your record is. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
It's mostly all theft. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
A couple of disorderlies for drinking. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:48 | |
Assaults on police. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
But that can be anything from a tap if you're restrained | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
or anything like that. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
And threats to kill, in an argument, basically. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:07 | |
It's quite relaxing, when you're all on your own. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:21 | |
Especially when you've a lot of problems going on. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
A lot of problems going on from outside and stuff. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
And then people in here are trying to make time harder | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
because they know you're agreeing to the system. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:30 | |
Because I keep my head down and other people would rather | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
take drugs and do their time hard. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:43 | |
Now, as I'm getting a bit older, I know what way to do my job, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
as I just walk away and just have the benefits of | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
what the jail can throw at me. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
Do my time peacefully and carry on, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
crack on and try and get into a better, enhanced regime. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
Can't get much better than having a phone in my cell. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:05 | |
You just ring and talk away at night or whatever | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
to your family and friends. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
You have your CD player, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:10 | |
your kettle of water and TV with DVD player, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
your CDs. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:18 | |
But I'm looking forward to getting out and just getting on my feet | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
and getting contact with my wee daughter who I haven't met yet. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
So I just hold that thought and just crack on with life in here | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
and get out as soon as I can so I can get all the good things | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
to come to me with meeting my kids again and stuff. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:41 | |
So, aye, hopefully get a job also when I'm released. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
That's another main factor, getting a job when I get out, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:51 | |
going for my lessons | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
and getting my driving test instead of driving illegally. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
Want to try and get legal. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
I was basically drunk one night and I was on drugs, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
I was on meth... | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
a legal high, and it was just an opportunity | 0:24:14 | 0:24:20 | |
and I seen a fella getting out of his taxi. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
So I noticed that he'd closed the door behind him | 0:24:22 | 0:24:30 | |
and I went into the garden and took his key out | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
with the car key attached to it and took his car out for a spin, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
and the police observed the car | 0:24:36 | 0:24:37 | |
going down the carriageway at over 100mph. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
So they put the blue lights on and started chasing me, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
where I then crashed within ten minutes of the... | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
the chase I crashed, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:54 | |
so I was caught on the scene and I pled guilty in court to it. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
It was just a stupid thing to do that night when I was drunk | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
and I just thought... Just an opportunist. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
An opportunist. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:11 | |
Also, I'm in for false imprisonment and AOBH | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
along with the burglary and the dangerous driving. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
So I've got three years for each, each set of events. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:25 | |
I was out on bail for the false imprisonment and the AOBH | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
whilst I committed the burglary and the dangerous driving, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
four weeks later whilst I was on bail. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:36 | |
Anybody could end up in prison. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
One bad decision, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
one bad judgment call. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
And I've seen that in the 28 years I've been in this job | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
and I have witnessed families in bits, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
families torn apart. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
Families who'd never come in really under the... | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
even looked at the criminal justice system at all, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
never mind the prison part, suddenly catapulted into that arena | 0:26:43 | 0:26:49 | |
with their loved ones locked up, facing maybe serious charges. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:56 | |
And I have witnessed and talked to, communicated with, you know, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
people in that position. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
And that can be a scary place. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:06 | |
I also see people who come in who would be familiar with the centre | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
or with the prison and who on the surface seem to cope with it | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
a lot better - they'd been in before. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
But in my experience, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:20 | |
over the years, for people who keep reoffending, the impact... | 0:27:20 | 0:27:26 | |
..catches up with them. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:31 | |
It never ceases to amaze me that these records, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
these records just didn't start with a criminal record | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
because these people, these youngsters, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:59 | |
these young men were highly visible for the most part. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
They weren't hidden, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
they were in our schools, you know? | 0:28:06 | 0:28:13 | |
They were known to other government agencies, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
social services, Youth Justice. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
They're known for all the wrong reasons. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:28 | |
But these are the challenges for our community. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:34 | |
These are the challenges for our wider society. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:44 | |
In 2006, in the United Kingdom, more children were affected | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
by the imprisonment of a parent than by divorce. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
That's a staggering figure. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
So why is there not a public debate about that? | 0:28:52 | 0:28:58 | |
And the knock-on effect from that is six out of ten boys | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
with a father in custody will come into custody themselves. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:09 | |
There are many, many aspects of | 0:29:09 | 0:29:17 | |
an intergenerational multiplier in play, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:24 | |
not just for those in custody but their immediate loved ones as well. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
It's very much an active multiplier effect. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:37 | |
That morning... | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
..I was drinking through the night. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:51 | |
I don't think my wife even knew what I was drinking. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
That day, I set out, | 0:29:55 | 0:30:03 | |
I hadn't got drink on my mind, but... | 0:30:03 | 0:30:10 | |
I went to that pub that day. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:11 | |
My wife had given me the keys. She thought I wasn't drinking and... | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
I got to the off-licence and I got the carry-out of drink | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
and got in the car. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:18 | |
About 300 yards outside... | 0:30:22 | 0:30:32 | |
I had hit the kerb and swerved straight across the road and onto... | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
a car, a family car, four people and I hit them head-on. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:45 | |
Erm... The last I can remember is being in hospital. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:51 | |
And I had my wife and daughter and our close friend there. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
But deep down that day, I had done something terrible. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:04 | |
And I wasn't told until three days later that somebody had died | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
in the car accident. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:13 | |
And my life just fell apart at that time. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
I was responsible... | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
responsible for this man's death. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:26 | |
This happened two a half years ago now and I still feel the same | 0:31:35 | 0:31:42 | |
shame and guilt that I did the day I was told about this man dying. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:52 | |
And... | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
All the sorrys I can say to this family, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
it'll never bring this man back again. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:07 | |
I just pray... | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
and hope that nobody else... | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
will take this selfish decision what I've made and... | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
drink and drive. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
That's what has destroyed a family... | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
and took a loved one away from his family and... | 0:32:22 | 0:32:29 | |
I've thought through this, this last two and a half years | 0:32:29 | 0:32:36 | |
and the words and the only thing I can say... | 0:32:36 | 0:32:43 | |
is still not enough. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:49 | |
It's a life sentence for that family and even to my own family. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:58 | |
Sorry, that's... | 0:33:01 | 0:33:09 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:33:09 | 0:33:19 | |
The only way to provide is by selling drugs. Know what I mean? | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
It's a bad way to go because you start selling them, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
you're going to start taking them. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
It's the only way I could provide | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
because I have no fucking shit from school. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
You know what I mean? | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
And even that, I still find it hard to provide for my family. | 0:33:54 | 0:34:01 | |
Still find it hard. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:02 | |
You know what I mean? | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
I wasn't a bad person, it's just drugs change everyone, so they do. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:11 | |
This one time I sat in a room with a girl and this wee boy. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
He said to me... One of my mates was up having | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
a few joints in the bathroom. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
He said something. Wee man. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
Just said, "How you doing, wee man?" | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
And... | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
Stabbed him with a screwdriver. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
Cos he was talking wee man whenever he was off his face. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
Know what I mean? I don't talk wee man when I'm off my face. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
I wouldn't be around him when I'm off my face. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
Just the cheek of him, thinking that he could talk, "My wee man." | 0:34:40 | 0:34:48 | |
INTERVIEWER: Have drugs been a big part of your life? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Yes, very big part. Very big part. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
Know what I mean? | 0:34:54 | 0:35:04 | |
Meth is a very big problem for me. You know what I mean? | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
I just take meth every day. Seven by seven, seven bags of it a day. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:14 | |
Know what I mean? | 0:35:14 | 0:35:15 | |
Gives you the best buzz of your life but look where it led me, like. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:23 | |
Why do you think violence has been such a big part of you? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
Because it's all around me. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:28 | |
I grew up rough estate, grew up in a rough town. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
Just the way it has to be. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
If you aren't violent, people are going to try and fuck you about, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
fuck your family about, so I'm not having it, know what I mean? | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
Not be happening in my family. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
Not happening to me, either. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
So... | 0:35:44 | 0:35:45 | |
Everyone's violent, | 0:35:45 | 0:35:46 | |
so you have to show them a wee bit of violence back. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:51 | |
What would you say to people who said, "I grew up in a difficult | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
"town, difficult estate and they didn't resort to violence?" | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
Fair play to them, fair play to them. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:08 | |
Then I would ask them if their father, were their | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
dad in jail and their wee brothers and all got took off them | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
and I was not allowed to see my son for a while, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
were they not allowed to see their son? | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
Blah, blah, blah. Ask them that. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
Did they take drugs? Ask them the same thing? | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
I would ask them, what would they do if someone came at you with | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
a knife and dropped it right in front of you? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
I guarantee you, they would say the same answer as me - | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
I'd lift it and use it. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:36 | |
I think anyone would if they were feared. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
Know what I mean? | 0:36:38 | 0:36:44 | |
What would you do? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:53 | |
Here's your discharge paperwork. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:54 | |
That's your notification to the social security to say that you've | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
been here and this is your money. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:58 | |
Sign there, please. There, yes? Mm-hm. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:08 | |
Thank you, that's great. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:16 | |
5, 15, 25, 45, 55. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
My ears feel like they're getting sorted, thank you. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
LAUGHTER I've got my ears back. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
My mum and dad, they don't even know I'm in this time round. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
They're strongly against all of that, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
all the things that I've done, basically. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
They wouldn't be happy at all. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
They don't know I'm in, so I just kept it... | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
Make a phone call, make sure they are all right, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
as long as I hear in their voice they're all right and they hear my | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
voice and are aware everything is going well. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:21 | |
And are you in a relationship, Helen? Do you have children? | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
No, no relationship. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
I've got a child but I don't want to get into that, so I do. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
She's in foster. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
Maybe next year, it'll start face-to-face contact with her | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
again, writing letters. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:42 | |
It's her emotions, she can't say the goodbye part and I don't want | 0:38:42 | 0:38:48 | |
to get her upset when you've got her at the stage when she's doing | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
so well at school, getting her education behind her that she needs. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
She's brilliant, so she is, she's doing really, really well. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
My mum and dad keep me posted with that. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
So I don't want her schoolwork sloping down. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
I definitely do not want her to end up turning out the way I have done. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
I recognise she'll be back, hopefully, in her teenage years, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
so hopefully I'll clean up everything, I don't need... | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
There was more addictions to legal highs and that was the main thing | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
but I'm off them a year and four months, so... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
If I could stick what I'm doing and not go down trying to | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
follow into anybody else's paths, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:39 | |
I'll have her back within a couple of years, I'm hoping so. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
I want her to achieve things and go a lot further like I could've had | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
it all but I just didn't think... | 0:39:49 | 0:39:54 | |
I didn't want that. But this is her chance. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
I want her to come out the best for her. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:02 | |
Are you all right, girl? Yeah. I didn't know you were back in. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Yeah, last time. Never again. When were you in? | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
Since July. Two and half months. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
I didn't know you were back in. Did you not? | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
I can't even remember your wee face, anyway. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
I suppose you don't want to remember. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
Because if you're not coming back, I'm not bothered. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
Definitely not coming back. OK, doll? Yes. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
INTERVIEWER: How do you see your future? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
I don't know, I don't know how to describe it but I think I'm | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
going to go far. I'm going to go far. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
I've got a wee bit of faith in myself and I don't know where | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
I'm going to be but I won't be down the lines of drug or alcohol. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
I'm just going to get out of the area I'm living in, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
move house and maybe start fresh again. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:52 | |
Freedom. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:16 | |
My God. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:24 | |
We need to be careful that when we embark upon the journey of | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
rehabilitation, often with men and women who are broken, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:41 | |
that would give them a level of expectation which is legitimate. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
What we don't do, is we set them on a path of false belief and | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
expectation on what they can achieve. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
I've heard, in my career, too many men and women who have said, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
"This time next year, I will be..." | 0:41:54 | 0:42:01 | |
And it'll be a successful businessman or, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:02 | |
"I will be in a job earning a very good rate of money." | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
They don't realise that society is not engaged in a place to be | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
able to welcome ex-offenders willingly back into society. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:19 | |
The chances of a person not finding employment is significant. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
The chances of a person not finding stabilised accommodation | 0:42:31 | 0:42:37 | |
is equally significant. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:43 | |
That person having an opportunity back in society that they | 0:42:43 | 0:42:51 | |
think they have got a right to, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
because they've served their time in prison, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:54 | |
may well find that a difficult position for them to engage in | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
and that might then send them back into, again, a spiral of decline | 0:42:58 | 0:43:03 | |
where they go back to committing offending and then, unfortunately, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
find themselves back in the prison from which they just recently left. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:43:08 | 0:43:13 | |
There is no one factor that says, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:29 | |
that's going to mean that that individual will come back into | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
jail because there are individuals who do live difficult lifestyles, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:38 | |
who don't come into jail. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
Part of it is choice, people who make bad choices and who | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
consistently make bad choices will and can end up back in jail. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
Certainly, the short-term prisoners have chaotic lifestyles | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
categorised by low educational attainment, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:50 | |
lack of stability in their home lives, | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
either in terms of relationships | 0:43:53 | 0:43:54 | |
where they live and also characterised by substance misuse, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
and have limited, if any, job prospects. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
I don't subscribe to the concept of a criminal underclass | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
or anything like that. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:35 | |
You know, the prisoner population here is reflective of society. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
But the hope is that every person is capable of change and I think, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
more importantly, is if they come back never to be disappointed | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
but to continue to try. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:51 | |
You know, at the end of the day, the role of a prison officer | 0:44:51 | 0:44:59 | |
is at a time when everyone else has given up. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:05 | |
He or she doesn't and continues to try. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:10 | |
INTERVIEWER: And how long was it then to the trial? | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
Two years. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
Two years of... | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
depression... | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
and going in and out of mental hospitals for me | 0:45:35 | 0:45:42 | |
because I couldn't cope with what had happened. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:49 | |
Actually didn't want to live at that time. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:56 | |
My... My wife and daughter had told me that they'd be there for me. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:01 | |
That's the only reason I'm here, living today. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:09 | |
Did you see or speak to the victim's family during the court proceedings? | 0:46:13 | 0:46:22 | |
No, I hadn't got the opportunity to... | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
speak, stand up and speak to them. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
The barrister done that. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:33 | |
My own pastor and a great friend is | 0:46:33 | 0:46:39 | |
going to come down and visit me here in prison | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
and I'm going to try and... | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
write a letter to the family, you know. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:53 | |
Just try, try somehow to tell them how sorry I am. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:59 | |
That's the only thing I can do. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:05 | |
Did you see them at the trial? Yes, I've seen them, yeah. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
It was very, very hard, like, you know. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
It was very hard to look their way, you know, and... | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
I could see the pain. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:22 | |
Could see the pain on each one of their faces, you know. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:47:26 | 0:47:34 | |
I just don't know at the minute how I'm going to cope with the | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
future, you know, and... | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
At the minute, I just can't see one. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:47:50 | 0:47:55 | |
INTERVIEWER: What happened to come back in? | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
I fell out with a boy and he rang me, told me to come down, meet him. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
Me, full of coke and I grabbed a machete. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
Put it down inside my trousers and walked down to meet him | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
and two police cars were sitting on the kerb. Police cars. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
I run out and hit him with it and they grabbed me. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
As soon as he grabbed me, I didn't know it was a pillar so I swung | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
it back and nearly clipped policeman with it and then I noticed... | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
and ran. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
Then I hid the coke, threw the machete away, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
threw the phones in the bin. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:21 | |
Swallowed the two sim cards. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:25 | |
Didn't want them knowing my business. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:31 | |
Madness. So why did you have to get rid of the phones? | 0:49:31 | 0:49:38 | |
Just... Just knew I had to get rid of them. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:43 | |
And the machete? It's quite a weapon. Yep. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:53 | |
So they recalled me and done me for possession of an offensive weapon, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
causing an indictable offence, common assault, erm... | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
And that's it. I'm in breach of license, in breach of everything. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:07 | |
Failed the breathalyser, failed drug test, all that shit. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:13 | |
Back in. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
I have 11 months left and then I'm out. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
Can't do fuck all about it, so they can't. Smile every time I see them. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
Even give them the odd wave too, know what I mean? | 0:50:22 | 0:50:27 | |
Let them know I'm about. Fuck them, I hate them. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:33 | |
Why do you hate them? They're just scumbags. Just scumbags. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:41 | |
Can't do nothing out there. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
I bring my wain to the park or something and I'm getting searched. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
Maybe if they're in a bad day or their wife didn't give out, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
or something, that night, I'd be down for a strip search. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
They find nothing on me. I went to the shop once | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
and got three police cars, three different searches | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
five minutes down the road, know what I mean? | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
I reported it to the Police Ombudsman, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
nothing done about it. Know what I mean? | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
Every time they see me, they stop me. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
I know I have my past but people move on from the past. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
It's them that's stopping and searching me every day. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
Maybe they need to go out and get drunk or sniff meth, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:20 | |
to fucking deal with all the shit that's going on. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
I've had enough shit to deal with | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
instead of the police stopping me and searching me every time, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
know what I mean? | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:51:28 | 0:51:33 | |
Four children, three boys and one girl. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:07 | |
I've two boys to one girl, she is now living in Birmingham. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:17 | |
She gave them up, so she did. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
And then I have another one to another girl, another son. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
The two ex-partners with the two sons, the relationship was volatile. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
A lot of jealousy going on, so there was. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
And on both sides, on my side and their sides. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:36 | |
And the social workers got involved and started saying what I had done, | 0:52:36 | 0:52:40 | |
that I had pled guilty to assault on her when she was | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
six months pregnant and stuff like that. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:52 | |
I contested the next day but the barrister told me if I wanted | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
to get out, the last time I was in, that I would have to plead guilty. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
If I didn't, then they would find me guilty because of previous... | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
previous records, previous... | 0:53:02 | 0:53:07 | |
INTERVIEWER: So you were convicted of assault on your ex-partner? Yep. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:15 | |
And had that happened before? | 0:53:15 | 0:53:21 | |
It has happened before. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:22 | |
With the social worker also getting involved | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
where she dislocated her shoulder. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
So there was a lot of violence? A lot of violence, yeah. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:39 | |
Is it something you think back on now? | 0:53:43 | 0:53:44 | |
Yep. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:45 | |
What do you think about it now? | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
Just wish I had dealt with it better back then. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
I would've took two steps back and took deep breaths and | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
probably wouldn't have the convictions on my record today. | 0:53:52 | 0:54:02 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
Looking forward to having the positives in my life | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
that are going to change my life. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:19 | |
Don't look back on the past because the past will only haunt me. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:26 | |
It was very hard, so it was, and when I came in, | 0:54:31 | 0:54:37 | |
I was taken a party drug called Magic and my head wasn't in | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
the right state of mind and I was trying to commit suicide. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:50 | |
I was tying ligatures on my throat | 0:54:52 | 0:54:53 | |
and trying to strangle myself to death, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
and on three or four occasions, | 0:54:55 | 0:55:02 | |
I was put on the safer cell for at least just over two months. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
And I... | 0:55:06 | 0:55:07 | |
I got a lot of help off the staff back then. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
I've been drugs-free from coming into prison now near 13 months | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
and just hope when I get out, | 0:55:14 | 0:55:24 | |
that I won't be tempted, that hopefully it all works out | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
for me when I get out and just | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
stay away from people with criminal records and stuff. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
Focus on my life with my kids and my family and myself | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
trying to get myself independent and stuff. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
Aye. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
Tell me about the football when you were young. North End. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:54 | |
Played for them when I was younger over at Preston for nine months. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
Played there, had a few good games. Actually all of them were good. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:02 | |
Good bit of craic, good coaches, know what I mean? | 0:56:02 | 0:56:07 | |
Were you good? Did you have trials? Aye, yeah, I was good, like. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
I was good. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:15 | |
But then things change. Can't do nothing about it. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:21 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
My uncle died and it just changed me, know what I mean? Changed me. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:33 | |
Couldn't deal with it. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:34 | |
I was always with my uncle, always stayed with him. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:41 | |
Just the best uncle you could ever ask for. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
Best person you could ask for. Just changed me, know what I mean? | 0:56:43 | 0:56:48 | |
It's like having someone in your life for all them years | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
and then disappearing. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
Know what I mean? Mad. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:58 | |
Few years later, I was on drugs. Fucked me up, like. Fucked me up. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:11 | |
Madness. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:12 | |
I was self-harming. Always doing it. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
Just the way of coping because I didn't have the right medication, | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
so I thought it was the best way to cope. Know what I mean? | 0:57:18 | 0:57:25 | |
I came off the meth and was just cutting, just to cope. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
If I had heard something bad, like a bad phone call, | 0:57:28 | 0:57:35 | |
I'd be straight in my room. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:37 | |
Cut for just a release. Know what I mean? | 0:57:37 | 0:57:44 | |
So what was it? Anxiety, depression? Anxiety and drug-induced psychosis. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:52 | |
Like whenever I take drugs, | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
I start hallucinating and seeing stuff, know what I mean? | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
I just am a complete different person whenever I take drugs. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
I scare myself sometimes. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
Do something really shit | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
and I'm in jail for years and years and years. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
Know what I mean? | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
Some of the shit I have done should've landed me in | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
for a good, long time, but... | 0:58:16 | 0:58:17 | |
Know what I mean? | 0:58:17 | 0:58:18 | |
They say karma is a bitch. Catches up on you. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:24 | |
Fuck it! Madness. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:30 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:58:30 | 0:58:39 | |
You've made it this far. | 0:59:10 | 0:59:12 | |
Don't leave it to chance. | 0:59:12 | 0:59:15 | |
Leave it all on the pitch. | 0:59:15 | 0:59:16 | |
No holding back, | 0:59:16 | 0:59:18 | |
no half measures... | 0:59:18 | 0:59:19 |