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In 1996, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:07 | |
the murders of Lin and Megan Russell | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
and attempted murder of Josie Russell | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
on a quiet country lane in Kent horrified a nation. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
-TV: -'..one of the most tragic events of the summer. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
'A case unprecedented in British criminal history.' | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
The hunt for the killer was one of the biggest stories of the decade. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
'Since the investigation began, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:30 | |
'more than 9,000 people have been interviewed | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
'and a thousand witness statements taken.' | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
A year-long manhunt led to Michael Stone being convicted... | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
..and sentenced to life in prison. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
'The judge told him there can't be anyone in this country who does not | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
'understand the horror of these offences. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
'At that point, Stone out shouted out, "It wasn't me, Your Honour. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
' "I didn't do it." ' | 0:00:56 | 0:00:57 | |
But since that verdict, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
the case continues to make headlines, with doubts being raised | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
about Stone's guilt. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Michael Stone's conviction hung on a very delicate thread. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
There's a considerable question mark about whether this kind of evidence | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
can safely be used at all. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:17 | |
And Stone himself has stuck to the same story. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
'I never murdered them people and I had nothing to do with it. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
'And that's why I'm innocent.' | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
But is he a liar and a killer? | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Or could the wrong man be in prison? | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Now, 20 years on, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
a panel of independent experts with decades of experience in criminal | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
justice has agreed to review the original case files. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
You're looking at a case from 1996 with 2016 eyes. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
Together they're testing the evidence... | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
This one lace contained the key to who killed this family. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
..searching for new clues... | 0:02:04 | 0:02:05 | |
This has left a lot of unanswered questions. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
The DNA can't be Michael Stone's. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
..and digging deep into one of Britain's most notorious crimes... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
To me, it puts him as prime suspect. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
..to see if justice has been done. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
If it's not Michael Stone, then who is it, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
and where's that individual been for the last 20 years? | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
The case review is reaching its halfway point. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
For the last two days, the panel of leading experts from policing, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
forensic science and the law, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
have been examining the crime and investigation. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
It's a crime of a psychopath. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
All the victims have suffered blunt-force trauma to their heads. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
They've analysed eyewitness accounts describing a white man... | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
That's the e-fit. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
..driving a beige car. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
He says, "I thought it was an old Escort in beige." | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
They've examined evidence, including a blood-covered lace... | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
..and towelling used to tie up the victims. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
They found that none of it directly connected to Michael Stone. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
Where does this put us? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
It's not providing any forensic link to Michael Stone, still. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
But they did discover that Stone was a known heroin addict | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
with a violent side... | 0:03:47 | 0:03:48 | |
He attacked a man he'd known from childhood, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
stabbing him in the chest while he was sleeping. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
..and that just days before the Chillenden murders | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
he'd been making threats to kill. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
This makes the hairs on my arm come up. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
It's so cold. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
They heard that three prisoners | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
testified that he confessed to the crimes in jail. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
It was like being told a horror story. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
But two of them were discredited | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
and Stone's conviction was overturned... | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
..and a retrial was ordered. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
The jury has begun hearing evidence | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
in the second trial of Michael Stone, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
who's accused of attacking three members of the same family. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
41-year-old Michael Stone was brought to court to face two charges | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
of murder and one of attempted murder. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:41 | |
He denies them all. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Stone's second trial started at Nottingham Crown Court | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
in September 2001. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
But within days, it travelled 200 miles to rural Kent. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
-REPORTER: -Escorted by the police in a car with its windows blacked out, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
Michael Stone was brought to the isolated country lane. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
Without leaving the vehicle, he then watched as the trial judge, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
lawyers and the jury of nine men and three women spent 45 minutes seeing | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
for themselves the scene of this horrific attack. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
The prosecution case against Stone argued the location could explain | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
Michael Stone's motive for the murders. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
And this is where the panel begins | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
the next stage of its review of the case. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
There is Chillenden, Michael Stone lived the other direction, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:48 | |
not even on this map. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
The prosecution case was that Stone was a known burglar and thief, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
that he travelled from Chatham, one of the Medway Towns, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
to the village of Chillenden - | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
it's about 40 miles - | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
to commit a burglary or a robbery. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
This was to feed his drug habit. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
'With every case that a barrister does, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
'you have to think about what the motive' | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
might have been. You don't need a motive to prove a case, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
but without a motive, you might not be able to prove a case | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
if you're prosecuting. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
One thing that puzzles me is | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
it's believed that | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
this crime could be a robbery gone wrong. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
But then you look at what items capable of being stolen of value | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
were still left at the scene and not taken. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
Lin Russell had a necklace on that was left on her, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
and in a pocket she had a watch | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
of which the strap had partially broken. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
So that leads me to believe that potentially | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
the motive wasn't robbery. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
It doesn't sit right. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:57 | |
This has taken time and effort. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
The perpetrator has actually dragged three people into trees, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
tied them up, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
hit them repeatedly over the head with a hammer. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
It wasn't a quick attack. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
I mean, it's going to take us 45 minutes | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
to drive from Chatham to Chillenden. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
And there isn't any other way to do it. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
If he was looking to rob people, it's a bit out-of-the-way. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
You're not going to find that many people. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
Journalist Barry Keevins was based in Kent and covered the case. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
If you've come here to rob, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
there's nothing here. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:43 | |
You can look around, 360, and see one or two buildings, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
but there's nothing else here. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
If you've come down... | 0:07:55 | 0:07:56 | |
If you've driven 45 minutes from Chatham to try and find somebody | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
or something to rob, this is not the place. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
'I didn't know the area. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
'I've never been there. Like, I've never been there to go there. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
'I have driven all around Kent and just been out in the car. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
'I've just gone around roads and driven wherever the roads go, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
'you know what I mean? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
'But I don't specifically remember going there and | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
'if I've ever been down there, it was maybe once or twice. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
'But not down there, down there, do you know what I mean?' | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
During the trial, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:35 | |
Stone's claim that he didn't know the Chillenden area well | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
became a focus for the prosecution's attack. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
-REPORTER: -Mr Sweeney explained that Michael Stone | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
had told a whopper during police interviews when he repeatedly denied | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
knowing the area where the murders | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
were committed. The QC called it utter nonsense, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
and he invited the jury of nine men and three women | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
to ask themselves why he had lied. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
Former senior detective Jane Antrobus is investigating | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
just how well Stone knew the area. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
In the case files, she makes a discovery. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
Michael Stone says he doesn't know Chillenden at all, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
yet I've got a statement here from John Henry Porter, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
who was a friend of his, and he goes back to 1991, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
just four years before. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
He said they were out and about looking for houses, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
farm houses to burgle. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
He even says, "He knew the area like the back of his hand." | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
The prosecution relied quite heavily on the issue of | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
the lies which were told in interview. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
And one of the first that they relied on was that Stone said that | 0:09:45 | 0:09:50 | |
he had no knowledge of Chillenden and the surrounding areas. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
What he said was, "I don't know this precise area." | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
Well, that's a lie, cos he does. | 0:09:58 | 0:09:59 | |
He doesn't know Chillenden. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
He does, cos this statement... | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
-Yeah. -..of John Henry Porter... | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
says, in 1991... | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
..it said they were driving about, going up farm tracks, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
looking at farmhouses and obviously up to no good. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
You know, the area, he knows within half a mile of the murder scene. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
So, to me, that's the area. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
I mean, his answer to that in interview | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
was that "Porter and I are enemies" | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
and Porter said in his statement, "He is my enemy, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
"he stole my girlfriend. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
"He's not a nice person," and so he may have been lying. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
But there was other evidence used to link Stone to the area. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
The jury heard that he'd lived in a children's home close by. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
It's a four-mile drive from the scene of the crime, and his sister, | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
Barbara, remembers being there with him. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
It wasn't one of the best times of my life and I kind of maybe would | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
have forgotten it anyway if, um... | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
You know, this has brought it back to my attention because it's | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
suddenly become part of the evidence in the murder trial. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
So, Mick, I believe, might have been in this block here. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Cos all the time on the way here I thought I would be staying with him | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
and it came as quite a shock when they separated us. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
I remember crying for him. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:32 | |
That's why I remember it at all, to be honest, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
cos it upset me so much. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
But the fact is, we were aged, what, six, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
seven maximum for myself, and eight, nine for Mick. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
We were only here for three weeks. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
Can't remember once stepping out the door and playing or anything. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
Everywhere we went we were supervised, we had staff with us. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
And they certainly didn't take us out on long rambles. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
So there's no way that Mick could have got to know the local area. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
But then evidence was revealed which the prosecution claimed didn't just | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
link Stone to the area, but to the crime scene. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
-REPORTER: -The murder trial of Michael Stone has heard evidence | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
about a bootlace found near the place where Lin and Megan Russell | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
were battered to death. A forensic scientist has said | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
that marks on Megan's neck suggested | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
the lace had been used as a ligature during the attack. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
But he said it could also have been used as a tourniquet by a drug user. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
While the bloodstained bootlace had offered no forensic connection | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
to Michael Stone, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
if the claim it was a drug's tourniquet was true, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
then THAT use gave the prosecution its link. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
-REPORTER: -The jury heard uncontested statements from a number of witnesses saying, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
as a tourniquet sometimes he used a bootlace, and that is the connection | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
which the prosecution is trying to make. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
So we're trying to get to the bottom of why you would think it was | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
a tourniquet. In the second trial, Roger Ide, the expert, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
originally said in his statement that there was stretching | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
that was more likely to be a result | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
of the lace being used as a ligature, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
ie, some kind of restraint, and not just as a bootlace. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
No mention of a tourniquet. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
Then, during the trial, when he was actually giving evidence, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
the Times reported that he changed his mind | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
when he considered how heroin addicts use laces to bring up veins | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
to help with injecting the drug. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
But it was also argued that the presence of three knots in the lace | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
made it a more likely tourniquet. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
I have the transcripts of the drugs counsellor. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
"In terms of the knots themselves, the larger knot, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
"the one knot that's placed over the centre, | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
"it shows with this type of material, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
"that it's along the line of what somebody would use with somebody | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
"that IV injects." | 0:13:59 | 0:14:00 | |
If you conclude that it's a tourniquet, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
then it narrows the field of who the offender may be, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
ie, an intravenous drug user like Stone. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
But if it's NOT a tourniquet, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
then it's just any old bootlace that any white male with a beige car | 0:14:15 | 0:14:21 | |
could have had. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
And so that means the pool of suspects is so much larger. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
To establish if it's possible to prove the lace was a tourniquet, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
the panel call their own independent expert. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
You've obviously seen the e-mail of the alleged tourniquet? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
'I've got the pictures of the boot lace, yes.' | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
What's your opinion of it, whether you think it is a tourniquet, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
or you think it's not, or you can't tell either way? | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
But do the presence of the knots give you any indication one way or another? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
Would you stand up in court and say this is probably a tourniquet? | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
And we asked him about what test we might be able to do to try and | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
verify whether it could have been used by a drug user | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
and he suggested you could test it for heroin. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
He says, you don't really even need to know how much heroin was there, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
you just need to know is it there or not? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
He said that would be quite straightforward to do. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
I think the main thing at the moment is, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
if there is doubt over this being a tourniquet, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
if it isn't a tourniquet, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
then there's no link to Michael Stone. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
By day four of the trial, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
the jury had heard evidence about the tourniquet | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
and Stone's apparent lies. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
But it was about to take a dramatic turn. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
-REPORTER: -Sheree Batt told the jury that she saw blood on | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
Michael Stone's white T-shirt from the neckline to the chest area. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
When she asked him about the stains, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
the defendant is alleged to have zipped up his hooded top | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
and explained that he'd been involved in a fight. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
What's her relationship to Michael Stone? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
So, she knew him via her boyfriend, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
who she says would go out and spend a lot of time with Stone | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
and she does remember distinctly one morning, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
it would have been around the 10th, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
she saw blood on his top. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
I think that was quite powerful evidence | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
in the sense that that would be a massive coincidence that this man, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
who we have all these other potential links to - | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
this area, the offence, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
the type of offence and things like that - | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
is a man that on that day had blood on his clothing. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
Every piece of evidence has more than one side to it. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
It is important to look as deeply into the detail as possible because | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
you will often find that the truth, or, um, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
the lies, are revealed. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
Although Sheree Batt couldn't be precise about when she saw Stone, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
the prosecution estimated it was the 10th of July, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
the day after the murders. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
If you look at her statement... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
So Stephen and Sheryl return to the case files to see if anyone else saw | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Stone on that day. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
So, looking at the time on the 10th | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
that Sheree Batt says she saw Michael Stone, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
she said that he called around at the address around late morning | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
or early afternoon. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
But Stone had an appointment with his psychiatric nurse at about | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
lunchtime on the 10th. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
There was a policeman who also gave a statement in the case and he said | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
he saw Stone on that same day, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
the 10th, at about 1.30pm, and he'd noted that he looked clean and tidy. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
And none of them recounted seeing blood on his top. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
And so, you have to balance that against somebody who's saying he IS | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
appearing with blood on his top, so has he changed his top? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
Is there a mix-up as to dates | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
and that may undermine the whole value of Sheree Batt's evidence? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:48 | |
So we're back to the point of, I guess, maybe the pendulum | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
or the scales going one way and then the other. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
But there was evidence the jury didn't get to hear | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
about Sheree Batt. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:11 | |
My involvement started through a conversation I had | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
with my then editor. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
He said the case was something he'd like me to look at | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
because there were question marks over it. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
I went down to Chatham and met with Harold and Jean Batt, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:36 | |
the parents of Sheree Batt. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
They ushered me into an immaculate front room and began telling me how | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
they were disowning their daughter, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
that they believed her testimony was false. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
She alleged that bribes and threats were offered... | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
..to persuade her daughter, | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
Sheree, to go to court and support the prosecution. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
Those allegations were never proved, but Jo-Ann Goodwin's article | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
questioning Sheree Batt's evidence and Michael Stone's guilt | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
was published. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
In no way do I set myself up as a critic of the police, I'm not. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
I just, you know, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
went after this case cos I felt that there was something wrong with it. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
As the trial entered its final days, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
the prosecution called its star witness, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
a former prisoner named Damien Daley. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
-NEWSREADER: -The jury in the trial of Michael Stone, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
the man accused of murdering Lin and Megan Russell, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
has been told that a former prison inmate heard him | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
confess to their murders. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
Daley was an inmate at Canterbury Prison, who claimed Stone | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
confessed to him through a pipe in the wall of their adjoining cells. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
None of the other pieces of evidence would have led to a case to bring to | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
a jury, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
and the confession is the direct evidence of him saying, "I did it," | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
which made their case. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
But Daley was just one of many prisoners claiming Stone confessed. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
At his first trial, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
two others testified against him but were discredited. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
And while on remand, several made claims he talked about the crimes. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
So the panel dig deep into the prison files to find out more about | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
who Stone was talking to. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
And criminologist Richard Hobbs makes a surprising discovery. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
We've got some letters written by Stone, apparently with a woman | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
who's befriended him. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
It's kind of interesting the way I think that people want to befriend | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
someone who may be a murderer. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
This is an emotional connection that's been struck up between | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
him and this woman. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:12 | |
It's almost a promise of a domestic future, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
the promise of something beyond prison for Michael Stone | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
that's being hung out in front of him. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
This is Michael Stone. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
"I like the idea of going somewhere where there is | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
"a lot of sun and sand with you when I get out, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
"and sharing special moments. It sounds very interesting." | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
This woman is asking him very clear questions about the case, about him, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
about how he's feeling. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
But the author, Pat, isn't what she appears to be from her letters. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
You have to be a bit chameleon-like, really. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
You write to him as the person you think they'll respond to. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
He's murdered a female | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
so he's clearly interested in females, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
so you have to write to him as a female. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
The girl's name is Patsy Scanlon. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
In the 1990s, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
Bernard O'Mahoney worked with the tabloid press | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
to elicit confessions from high-profile murder suspects | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
by writing to them as a potential pen-pal. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
I wrote to Ian Huntley. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
He wrote to me and said, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
"Send me a photograph of yourself in a Manchester United shirt." | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
And if you remember, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:34 | |
the two girls he murdered were wearing Manchester United shirts. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
Now, how sick is that? | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -So why do it? -Why? | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
Because some people protest about the ozone layer, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:48 | |
some people protest about whales, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
God knows what else, cats and dogs. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
I don't like people who kill children | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
and I do something about it. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
It's a difficult thing to do, to get them to confess. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
The line always was, "It's not fair what they're doing to you. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
"I feel sorry for you. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
"It's awful for you." | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
You know, and it's like a ray of hope for him | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
and he grabs it with both hands. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
O'Mahoney wrote to Stone as a single mother from Essex. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
He started writing back. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:24 | |
But Michael Stone never confessed. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
He found out my true identity via a journalist, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
so he wrote back saying, like, your cover's been blown, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
I know who you are. I said, "Well, I think you're guilty." | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
"No, I'm not." I said, "All right, I'll listen to you. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
"I'll listen to what you got to say." | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
So he told about this guy, Damien Daley, and said, you know, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
he stitched me up, blah, blah, blah. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:54 | |
So I said, right, benefit of the doubt, I'll write to Daley. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
But I did and, you know, Daley stood by what he said. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
I wasn't 100% sure Stone was guilty but then again, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
the police don't convict you, the judges doesn't convict you, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
your peers convict you. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
On the whole, the system works. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
By the time of Stone's retrial, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
the only confession evidence that made it to court | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
was that of Damien Daley. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
When Daley arrived at court, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
he walked past the dock where Stone was obviously surrounded | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
by prison guards. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
He gave him the most amazing glare | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
and he continued glaring at him throughout his entire evidence. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
He was very believable. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:56 | |
Under cross-examination, he stuck to his guns. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
He was accused in very robust terms by Stone's lawyer | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
of making it all up. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
This evidence was crucial for the prosecution. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
It was crucial for the police. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
In fact, the judge said, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
"If you don't believe this, then Michael Stone has to walk." | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
The panel make Daley's evidence the focus of the next stage of | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
their review. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
This is what he said. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:27 | |
I'm going to summarise but, on Tuesday the 23rd of September 1997, | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
about 8pm, I was alone in my cell | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
when I became aware of a prisoner in a cell next to me. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
He said Michael Stone said to him, "If it wasn't for that slag, | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
"I'd be OK." | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
"He said she'd picked him." | 0:26:44 | 0:26:45 | |
"I understand he may have been talking about an identity parade." | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
"I'd been given a copy of 23rd of September's Daily Mirror by a prisoner above me. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
"I had begun to read the first two pages when Stone began to speak to me again. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
"I stopped reading the newspaper and listened to him. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
"He then said, 'I tied them up with the towels but I didn't need to | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
" 'because they were out of the game.' " | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
And then he got the impression that Stone was actually getting off on | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
telling this story. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
He said the towels were wet and mentioned something about shoelaces. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
Then he talked about the dog barking and, he says, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:26 | |
told Stone to shut up because he was sickened by what he was hearing, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
and he said, "I told him I'll tell the screws what you've said." | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
And then he ends his statement by saying, "I've got nothing to gain by | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
"telling you this." So that is Daley's story. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
And so the question is, how reliable is it and how did it come about? | 0:27:41 | 0:27:48 | |
The panel starts by investigating whether Daley's account of how Stone | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
spoke to him from the neighbouring cell was possible. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
Jane has tracked down the former head of security at Canterbury Prison. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
What's your experience of prisoners actually speaking to each other | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
through the walls, through heating vents, etc? | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
I've just had a conversation with a prison governor at the time. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
He said, yes, it was quite possible to speak through the heating pipes. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
In fact, a test was done and that was proved. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
So I said, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
"Well, what's your opinion about did the confession happen or not?" | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
He said, "Well, I was made aware that elements of information in that | 0:29:13 | 0:29:20 | |
"confession were not in the public domain." | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
-Is that what he said? -Yes. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
In that case, we'll examine that, compare it to Daley, his statement, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
and see where it takes us. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
Yeah. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
The thing that may make a cell confession actually quite | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
a compelling piece of evidence is if, for instance, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
there is information in that alleged confession that is not | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
in the public domain. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
So, for instance, maybe a piece of information that ONLY the offender would know. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:58 | |
To test if there was anything that Daley claimed he heard that could | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
only have come from Stone, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:05 | |
Stephen and Sheryl cross-refer his statement | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
with what was already in the press. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
So, in the confession, the thing about the towels, | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
it says, "I tied them up with towels." | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
"Josie has said the killer told them, 'I just want to tie you up while I drive away,' | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
"after binding her wrists with strips from one of the towels." | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
And that's in the Daily Mail. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:29 | |
There's a reference to a shoelace. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
"Six-year-old Megan was partially throttled with a boot lace tied twice around her throat." | 0:30:36 | 0:30:43 | |
Which again matches what's out there in the media. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
All the stuff about one getting away and being brought back... | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
Yeah, that's in this report. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
"She was caught by the man and dragged back." | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
They find all of the details from Daley's account of the confession | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
could have been picked up from the press. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
But with one important exception. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
In his statement, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:13 | |
Daley said Stone complained about being picked out in an ID parade. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
The prosecution claimed that this must refer to a line-up held the day | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
before, attended by Josie Russell | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
and a witness called Nicola Burchell, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
whose sighting of the killer was the basis for the e-fit. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
Although neither of them positively identified Stone, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
Nicola Burchell did say he looked familiar. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
This detail was kept secret from the press, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
so, according to the prosecution, only Stone would have known it. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
The Crown's best point was the ID pick-out, right? | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
In the so-called confession he said, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
"It wasn't for that slag picking me out..." - right? | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
The fact that the ID parade had produced a result of sorts, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
the police had deliberately kept out of the public domain, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
so how did Daley know Stone had been picked out unless Stone had been | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
talking about it to him? And it's a good point. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
But Stephen and Sheryl think there's another possibility. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
23rd September. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
On the day Stone allegedly confessed, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
the press were running stories about Josie attending the ID parade. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
Right, so the main news story both in this and other papers that day is | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
that there'd been an ID parade. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
"The Crown Prosecution Service lawyers are now considering whether | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
"to charge a suspect with killing | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
"Josie's mum, Lin, and sister, Megan." | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
And then he turns up in your next-door cell. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:47 | |
Is it possible those stories led Daley to believe | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
that it was Josie Russell that picked out Stone? | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
By reading one of the articles that was printed on the day of | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
the confession, you will see the information was in the public domain. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
Police released information to be printed on that day. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
If you could just put up what the headlines were and what it says? | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
And it's from the Mirror, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
so that's obviously the newspaper that Damien Daley says | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
he had in his cell, leads with Josie Russell facing an ID parade, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
and all the newspapers at the time were running with that story. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
And it says, "Schoolgirl Josie Russell | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
"has been brought face-to-face with | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
"the man police think murdered her mother and sister. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
"The result was not revealed but Crown Prosecution lawyers | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
"are now considering | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
"whether to charge a suspect with | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
"killing Josie's mum, Lin, and sister, Megan, six..." | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
There's been an ID parade by the girl. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
We're not telling you what the result was but the CPS are now considering charging a man. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
What else would you think, other than that she picked him out? | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
The more you look into the detail, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
the more you actually see everything in the statement | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
is in the public domain - most of it that day. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
I've done no deals with the police at all. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
People saying, oh, I done it for money or I done it to, you know, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
get my face in the papers and whatnot, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
it's, I didn't want none of that. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
So there's no self-gain here at all. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:41 | |
But the review also turns up evidence about why Stone was in | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
the cell next to Daley in the first place. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
When he was remanded in custody, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:53 | |
he told the prison officers that he wanted | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
to be put in the segregation unit | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
because people in the prison were saying that he was confessing | 0:34:59 | 0:35:05 | |
to them, and this is recorded in the prison documentation, that that was | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
my reason for wanting to be put in segregation. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
It's called Rule 43. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:12 | |
'The police had already said that other prisoners had said that | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
'I'd confess to it. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
'I said I want to go in the segregation and I want to be | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
'in a cell on my own and I don't want to be going near other prisoners. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
'I don't want them to, to make statements to say that I confessed. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
'And then the governor come round. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
'I asked him to write the reason why on the GOAD form. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
'And he wrote it on there.' | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
-STEPHEN: -The man who's in custody | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
brought into segregation sees himself in | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
the papers as the suspect, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
says I want to be here cos people are saying I'm confessing, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
and then he gets into a cell and confesses through a wall to | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
an unknown person to being the man. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
How does that work? | 0:36:08 | 0:36:09 | |
Given Stone's mental state... | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
..his mental illness, his addiction, maybe he WOULD have done it. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
Maybe he WOULD have owned up. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:22 | |
Maybe he DID confess. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:23 | |
Maybe he did. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
The judge summed up to the jury that | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
everything else in the case is circumstantial. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
You can only convict this man if you accept as the truth | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
Damien Daley's evidence. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
Michael Stone's conviction hung on a very delicate thread. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:49 | |
After a trial lasting nearly a month, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
the jury retired to consider its verdict. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
It was a very difficult case to call but I was quite close to | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
a very senior officer in the case | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
and he said to me, "If the jury believe Daley, he goes down. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
"If they don't believe Daley, Stone walks." | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
-NEWSREADER: -Michael Stone has been found guilty of the murders of Dr Lin Russell | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
and her daughter Megan, along with the attempted murder of Josie Russell. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
In the public gallery, Michael Stone's sister Barbara shouted, "Oh, no, not again!" | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
Michael Stone convicted for a second time of a crime | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
which ripped a family apart. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
People did come forward afterwards | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
to say that Daley told us that he lied | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
and had stitched Michael Stone up, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
but then the difficulty was they have a particular background, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
so they are also of that criminal world, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
and so it raises the question about THEIR credibility. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:09 | |
I was friends with the Daley family. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
You know, we're going back getting on for 50 years. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
They came round and asked me to go and visit Damien while he was on remand | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
for petrol bombing a nightclub just along the road there. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
I sat down and he said to me, "Do you know Michael Stone?" | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
I said, "No, I don't know Michael Stone. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
"I've never heard of Michael Stone." | 0:38:33 | 0:38:34 | |
He said, "Well, he's a nonce case. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
"He's been arrested for murder. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
"Them children that were killed at Chillenden." | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
So I said, "What's that got to do with you?" | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
My advice to him was, it is your duty as a normal con to do him. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
If you think he's done children, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
it's your duty to attack him if you can. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
But you do not give evidence against anybody else in this prison. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
And that was the end of that conversation with Damien Daley. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
About two weeks later, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
and I see Damien Daley walking up the road | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
and I actually called across to him and asked him | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
how the hell he's out of prison | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
and he replied, "They call me the Teflon Dame now. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
"They can't make nothing stick." | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
And I said, "More like you're giving evidence against that guy, isn't it? | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
"You've done a deal with the police." | 0:39:16 | 0:39:17 | |
I went, "You're fitting Stone up, aren't you?" And he said yes. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
He admitted to me that he was fitting Stone up. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
Looking at the criminal background of those people, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
are they trustworthy? | 0:39:30 | 0:39:31 | |
Do they have any axes to grind? | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
And so it becomes really, really difficult to be able to unpick | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
where the truth actually lies. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
Has anyone gone through the process of speaking to Damien Daley? | 0:39:44 | 0:39:50 | |
Where is he now? | 0:39:50 | 0:39:51 | |
He's now convicted of murder, and is serving a life sentence. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
Just to clarify. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
The evidence was provided by a man | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
-who is now serving a life sentence for murder? -Yes. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
The allegations that Daley had lied form part of two appeals | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
for Michael Stone. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
Both failed. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
But as part of those appeals, more sophisticated forensic tests were | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
carried out on key evidence. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
And they reveal something unexpected. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
With respect to the towel, the testing that was done in 2010, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:35 | |
they actually targeted the ends of the towel. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
They swabbed these ends, all six, and combined them. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
They got what they referred to as a complex mixed DNA profile. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
It's likely that the Russell family members are present, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
ie, the victims, but that there is some DNA components present | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
that they can't attribute to the victims. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
They got indication of a Y chromosome, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
ie, there was male DNA present. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
But none of the DNA components observed | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
were in the profile of Michael Stone. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
-Michael Stone, if he did it... -Did not leave his DNA on it. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
He manages never, ever to shed on different surfaces | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
through different activities at different times. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
We know the perpetrator has torn it up and used it to tie | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
-people up. -Significantly, yeah. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
That is very significant. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Every area where they've got a positive, it's not him. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
The questions that continue to surround Michael Stone's conviction | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
have led to speculation | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
about who else could have committed the murders. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
And one name keeps cropping up. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
Levi Bellfield. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
It's nine years since 13-year-old Milly Dowler | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
vanished on her way home from school. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
Today, a nightclub doorman, Levi Bellfield, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
was found guilty of her abduction and murder. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
Bellfield is currently serving multiple life sentences for three murders, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:06 | |
including that of 13-year-old Milly Dowler. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
-NEWSREADER: -He was described by the judge | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
as a cruel and pitiless killer. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:14 | |
He used a hammer as a weapon, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
and there were recent claims that he'd admitted other crimes. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
-NEWSREADER: -Police suspect he could be involved in | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
as many as 20 other serious crimes. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
One of the crimes he was linked to was the Chillenden murders. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
That possible link is one that Stone's solicitor, Paul Bacon, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
wants to see investigated. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
But it's prompted a response from Bellfield himself. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
This is a letter from Levi Bellfield. He writes, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
"Dear Mr Baker, I feel compelled to write to you | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
"in reference to your client, Mr Stone. If he is innocent, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
"then I truly sympathise with his current situation. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
"However, to use me to gain publicity to favour Mr Stone is | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
"clearly unacceptable, especially as I am ALSO maintaining MY innocence. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:14 | |
"I had no connections to Kent area until 2002. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:20 | |
"I will provide your forensics experts with DNA, | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
"but please stop publicly linking me to your case. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
"This is not helping my own fight. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
"I have enough without your case further nonsing me off in the media. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:35 | |
"Yours sincerely, Levi Bellfield." | 0:43:35 | 0:43:36 | |
I wrote back to him and said, "Thank you very much, that's very kind. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
"Could we arrange to have your DNA taken and also fingerprints would also be very useful. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
"Give me details of your solicitor, and I'll make the arrangements through them." | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
But he never responded again. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:51 | |
'Whoever did a crime like that would do it again. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
'The fact that we know that Levi Bellfield has done several more, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
'the only chance is linking the forensics to Levi Bellfield. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
'I've decided to put all my eggs in one basket. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
'If it ain't him, we're fucked, basically.' | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
The panel now examine whether they can rule Levi Bellfield in or out. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:23 | |
-That's the e-fit. -I mean, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
it's no worse than the match between Michael Stone and him. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
-No, no. -I mean, he's somebody, who, | 0:44:31 | 0:44:32 | |
when you ask the question - shall we look at his DNA if we can? - | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
-you'd say yes. -Yes. -Yes. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
And then they track down the detective who led the investigation into Bellfield's hammer killings. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:47 | |
-'Hello, Colin Sutton.' -Hello, Colin. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
We're calling you about your involvement with Levi Bellfield. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:56 | |
That he might have been involved in the Chillenden murders. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
Do you want to just tell us whether you've done | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
or looked into anything on this angle? | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
'In 2008, after Levi Bellfield was convicted of the two murders | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
'and the attempted murder, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
'we looked at other possible offences, and this was one of them. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
'In terms of commonalities, the victims were female, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
'that there was some kind of blunt-force trauma.' | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
Are you aware that he had any links to Kent at all? | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
'Yes, he did. His family had a caravan on the Isle of Sheppey | 0:45:25 | 0:45:30 | |
'that they would go to for holidays. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
'But at that time, | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
'we had a statement from a former girlfriend which gave him | 0:45:35 | 0:45:41 | |
-'a pretty solid alibi.' -It's quite rare, isn't it, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
for a man to use a hammer on a woman or a child, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
in your experience as a detective in murders? | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
'Yes, not just in my experience, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:52 | |
'but there was some research done at the time, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
'and in the Greater London area, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
'the only unsolved attack of that nature, | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
'there was only one of all of them that we couldn't actually | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
'realistically say was probably Levi Bellfield. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
'Obviously, he wasn't convicted of them all. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
'But, I mean, that's how rare they are.' | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
So, can we just sum that up, then? | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
Although you can't prove all of them, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:14 | |
the conclusion was that all of them had been done by Levi Bellfield, | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
-bar one. -In the Greater London area. -In the Greater London area. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:21 | |
'In the Greater London area, yeah. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:23 | |
'And that was going from, kind of, I think, 1990 to 2004, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
'so a period of about 14, 15 years.' | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
Wow. That's... | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
I'm quite shocked by that. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:34 | |
Jane goes on to investigate any other possible connections | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
to the key evidence. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:43 | |
Particularly the killer's beige car, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
thought to be a Ford. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:48 | |
There's no beige car ever found that the police can physically link to | 0:46:50 | 0:46:55 | |
Michael Stone. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:56 | |
We've still got an outstanding beige car from that murder investigation. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:03 | |
One person who might be able to help with that is Bellfield's girlfriend | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
from the time of the Chillenden murders. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
When I look at that picture, I think he's already killed two girls. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
Maybe the third. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:23 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -Do you think there are more? | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
Yeah. Yeah, I do believe there's more. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
So how many crimes do you think he might be responsible for? | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
Um... A lot. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
Hundreds. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:38 | |
What car was he driving at the time? | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
I had my beige Sapphire Ford. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
Do you remember the... | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
It was an E reg. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
What happened to that car? | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
Levi used it one night, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
and he rang me to say that the car had been stolen from the car park. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
Was it ever found? | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
Apparently so, burnt out, in another part of Feltham, | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
but I don't fully know. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
I've always said, yes, he's done this, yes, he's done that. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
But I can, hand on my heart, say, at that time, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
he did not do the crime that they are saying he did, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
he didn't kill the mother and daughter and the dog. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
The 9th of July 1996 is quite imprinted on me. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
It was the first year I'd had my first child... | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
..but also, the 9th of July is my birthday. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
So, I know from the moment we woke up in the morning, | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
to when we went to bed that night, he never left my side. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
Levi and myself went for dinner that night, | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
and from there we went onto Rocky's nightclub, where he used to work. | 0:48:55 | 0:49:00 | |
And then we went home to bed. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
Do you remember what day it was? | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
I want to say it was a Friday or Saturday. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
But I'm not sure. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
But it was definitely on my birthday, | 0:49:13 | 0:49:14 | |
and it was definitely the 9th of July. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
So his partner says that they went out to the restaurant and the club, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
on the weekend. Well, the 9th of July 1996 was a Tuesday. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:32 | |
The alibi is not quite as strong as it first appears. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
The team turns to the science, | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
to see if it can help rule Bellfield out. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
Although he's refused to give a DNA sample, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
a number of his family members | 0:49:52 | 0:49:53 | |
have come forward to help the review by supplying THEIR DNA. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:57 | |
It's been analysed by Dr Georgina Meakin. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
Members of Bellfield's family have provided DNA samples. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:08 | |
And from those I've been able to derive the profile | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
that is from Levi Bellfield, | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
and have been able to compare that to the profiles to the unknown DNA, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
from the strip of blue towel that was examined, and of that, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
there are three components that match components | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
in Levi Bellfield's profile. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
That means he can't be excluded as having contributed to that mixture. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
-But not Michael Stone. -But not Michael Stone. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
'When you determine the evidential weight | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
'of that potential contribution,' | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
it's a random match probability of just 1 in 30. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:46 | |
And this means that if you've got 30 people in a room, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
one of them would be a potential contributor. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
You can see that evidentially speaking, | 0:50:52 | 0:50:54 | |
it's not very strong evidence. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
Georgina now moves on to the blood-covered lace, | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
used in the attacks, | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
and dropped at the scene by the offender. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
She believes that an alternative forensic technique | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
could now reveal if the DNA of Stone, Bellfield, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
or any other male was left on the exhibit. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
If we were to retest it using a Y-STR profiling, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
this is profiling that is aimed only at the Y chromosome, | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
ie, only examines male DNA, so that way we can... | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
straight away excluding all victim DNA that no longer clouds the issue. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
We can just be straight away - | 0:51:34 | 0:51:35 | |
"What's the male DNA profile? It's this." | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
Only, the lace is missing. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
-I beg your pardon. -The lace is missing. It's gone. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
So both the laboratory that did the examination on the lace, | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
and Kent Police have done an exhaustive search | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
of their exhibit store, and they have not found the lace. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
The whole lace? Like, the lace, the bag and the exhibit label is gone? | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
No, they have the empty bag with the exhibit label in it, but no lace. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
The Forensic Science Service are adamant that they returned an intact | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
length of lace to Kent Police on the 23rd of September 1998. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
The Forensic Science Service say they sent an intact length of lace | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
in a bag to Kent Police. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
But when Stone's legal team requested further tests, | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
what was sent back to the laboratory was an empty bag. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
"With respect to the lace, | 0:52:37 | 0:52:38 | |
"we were expecting the remains of an almost complete lace. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
"There is an empty exhibit bag | 0:52:41 | 0:52:42 | |
"bearing what appears to be the original CJA label for the lace, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
"but no lace per se." | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
"In the absence of an intact length of lace, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
"it was not possible for the commission to arrange for further tests." | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
Later, Kent Police said the lace hadn't been lost - | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
instead, exhaustive testing had left only strands. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
Kent say the lab, it doesn't exist any more, and the lab says, | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
we gave it to a Kent Police officer. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:09 | |
And now the bag's empty. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
You've got the worst crime in Kent, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
and the principal exhibit goes missing. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
And there are two different accounts of what happened. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:19 | |
This one lace could contain the key to who killed this family. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
Michael Stone is now 20 years into a minimum 25-year sentence. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:32 | |
He could be eligible for parole in 2023. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
He's still my boy, isn't he? | 0:53:41 | 0:53:42 | |
I used to go up and see him all the time, | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
but then he said it was too emotional for me to do it. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
So I haven't seen him for... | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
..since he was in court that day. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
-You haven't seen him since the convictions? -No, I haven't. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
You get choked up in here, don't you? | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
But if you dwell on it, then you're going to go down, you know? | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
I can't afford to do that. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:22 | |
I still have to live life. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
The crime was horrible. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
A mum and her two daughters. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
Violence against a woman, violence against two young children... | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
..and the devastation felt by the Russell family | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
must have been immense. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
-REPORTER: -Michael Stone, a man with a violent personality disorder, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
now a convicted killer. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
Stone shouted out, "It wasn't me, Your Honour! I didn't do it." | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
Right, folks, well, we're reaching the end of our four days' considering... | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
The panel begins its summing up of the case review. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:21 | |
We've been incredibly privileged to have this amount of access | 0:55:21 | 0:55:26 | |
to this case. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
Having all the evidence, having access to police reports, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:33 | |
scientific reports, scientific expertise, police expertise. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:38 | |
Because, of course, in the trial, as a jury, you won't get that much. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:43 | |
But that's why this process has been invaluable to me. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
How do we feel about the evidence? | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
How do we feel about the case? | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
When I first started looking at the scientific evidence, | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
I guess I was shocked at the lack of it to Michael Stone. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
And I thought that was because this was the mid-'90s, you know? | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
DNA technology was in its infancy. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
But as we've gone through this case, | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
reviewing through the forensic science evidence that there is, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
we end up not just with DNA evidence that DOESN'T point to Michael Stone, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:11 | |
but in some ways, points elsewhere. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
There's no ID against Stone. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
There is no forensic against Stone, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
I'm not saying he's not a dangerous man, | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
and I'm not saying the best place for him ISN'T locked up, | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
but I'm just saying, to me, | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
I don't think there's enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
to convict him. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
This case was summed up to the jury on the basis that you had to accept | 0:56:34 | 0:56:42 | |
Daley's evidence. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
Only then could you convict. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
And for me, I don't accept Daley's evidence. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
Is Stone innocent or guilty? | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
I can't talk in terms of innocence, | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
but I can talk in terms of, | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
if I was asked - am I sure? My answer would be no. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:05 | |
You know, your heart goes out to any victims of crime where, suddenly, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:10 | |
a conviction against the person | 0:57:10 | 0:57:11 | |
who is said to have killed their loved one unravels. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
But the truth is, also, | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
they really want the right person to be in prison. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:19 | |
Ultimately, if you find a conviction is unsatisfactory 30 years on, | 0:57:19 | 0:57:25 | |
40 years on, you've got a right in law, and a moral right, | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
to put it before the authorities. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
Michael Stone has had two trials, and he's had several failed appeals. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:43 | |
But then, I think it is worth, if there are proper grounds, | 0:57:43 | 0:57:47 | |
to go back, and relook at a case and a verdict. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
That has to be right, if the ultimate aim is justice. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
And on that note, we'll stop now. Thank you. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
'I don't think we'll ever have | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
'a completely satisfactory conclusion to this. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:07 | |
'Unless that golden nugget comes forward of information | 0:58:07 | 0:58:13 | |
'or evidence' | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
to either support it being Michael Stone, | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
or to support it being someone else. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 |