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A summer's day in eastern Ukraine. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
A Boeing 777 suddenly breaks up in midair. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
All 298 people on board are killed. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
It's the worst air disaster for two decades, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
and it comes just four months after | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
the mysterious disappearance of another Malaysian airliner. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
The official account says a powerful ground-to-air missile hit the plane. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
But rival theories and relentless questions | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
saturate the media and the internet. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Why do many witnesses talk of seeing other planes? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
And why didn't anyone see a missile? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
All the people have mobiles and cameras. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
They are not living in Stone Age. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
There must be something. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
We don't have American satellite images. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
We don't have the testimonies of the air controllers. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
I think there are still more questions than answers. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
It's very strange that, a whole day, nobody has images from that period. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
Who's hiding? Who's hiding what? | 0:01:09 | 0:01:11 | |
Things are hidden, that's for sure. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
Is this the fighter pilot who shot down MH17? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Or was a missile fired from a Russian-made missile launcher? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
We tracked the secret witnesses | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
and meet the spooks, to try to sort fact from fiction. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
They say every country lies, including our own. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
The task is, whoever lies first, wins. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Well, we won! | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 took off just after midday | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
from Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport, bound for Kuala Lumpur. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
The Boeing 777 had a crew of 15. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
There were 283 passengers on board. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
What they didn't know was | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
their flight was about to take them over a war zone. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
Russian-backed rebels were engaged in a bitter fight | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
against the Ukrainian army. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
Two-thirds of the passengers were Dutch. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
Bryce Fredriksz and his girlfriend, Daisy Oehlers, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
were on a dream holiday to Bali. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
Bryce was 23, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
working as a cook. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
He was with Daisy for the last three years, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
and Daisy also lived in our house. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
They were really fond of each other. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
Bryce turned form a wild boy into a caring, loving young man. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:21 | |
And...Bryce wanted to show Daisy Bali, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
and they wanted to have a good time. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
Visit friends and family over there. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
They never made it. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
The world stopped turning. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
Bam. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:44 | |
BBC NEWS THEME A passenger jet with 295 people... | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
A Malaysia Airlines passenger plane has crashed... | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
A whole multitude of questions as to what has caused this crash. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
298 people from around the world lost their lives, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
including 80 children. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
The judgment was instant. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
We have enormous input about this which points fingers. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:11 | |
It's pretty clear that this is a system | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
that was transferred from Russia, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
in the hands of separatists. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
The disaster happened in the midst of a bitter civil war. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
The Ukrainian government was quick to claim these pictures prove | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
this Russian Buk or SA-11 missile launcher was responsible. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
The weight of evidence is pointing in one direction. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
MH17 was shot down by an SA-11 missile fired by separatists. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:41 | |
This is a defining moment for Russia. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
The world is watching. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
Shooting down a civilian aircraft was the final straw. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
Sweeping sanctions were soon agreed against Russia. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Over 15 months, the Dutch Safety Board | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
painstakingly reconstructed part of the plane. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
The official report concluded | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
a single, powerful ground-to-air missile hit MH17. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
In less than a minute, a Russian-made Buk missile | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
travelled around 15 miles. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
It exploded a few feet from the cockpit of MH17... | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
..sending more than 800 pieces of shrapnel ripping through the plane. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
The wreckage was eventually scattered | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
over nearly 20 square miles. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
The finger of blame was now fixed on Russia | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
and the pro-Russian rebels. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
But from the very start there were many other views. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
Oleg Vitulkin lived nearby, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
and he was the first photographer on the scene. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
We can only show some of his photographs. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
Oleg is a member of the pro-Russian rebel militia. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
He rejects the western account. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
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Oleg didn't see a plane that could have shot down MH17. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
There are others who say they did. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Natasha Voronina was sitting right underneath | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
the point at which MH17 disintegrated. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
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And nearby, Igor heard something strange. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
Before long, theories about what really happened | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
swept across the internet. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
One independent journalist joined the hunt for clues. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
Billy Six spent four months in Ukraine. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
He interviewed more than 100 people in the rebel controlled area | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
around the crash site. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:57 | |
Most of them talked about rumours, of course, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
but it was surprising for me to hear that | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
nobody talked about rumour referring to the launch of a Buk missile. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
But many, all of them spoke, there must have been an airplane. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
RECORDING PLAYS | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
Seven people told him they saw a fighter jet on the day MH17 crashed. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
They described it as a point in the sky which was shining, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:34 | |
and one of them told me he even saw how it launched a missile. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:40 | |
It was like a small line on the sky, going into the clouds, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
and then he heard the big boom. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
All of these 100, more than 100 I talked to, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
thought that it was a fighter jet from the Ukrainian side. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
But the official report dismissed the idea that another plane could | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
have brought down MH17. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
Investigators found a mass of different shaped shrapnel. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
They argue only a powerful ground-to-air missile | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
could be responsible. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
Crucially, they also found two unique bow-tie shaped fragments | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
that are only found in one Russian-made warhead. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
They found 72 of those fragments, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
and only two of them are bow-tie. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
And another two cubic. So I would like to see the other 68 pieces, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
because that could have happened randomly, that it looks like it. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
Billy thinks two fighter jets could have shot down MH17. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
It looks, for me, that there was one fighter jet | 0:10:54 | 0:11:00 | |
shooting from the back with a canon | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
into the cockpit, in order to destroy the crew and the technology, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
and then another fighter jet fired with a radar-based | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
air-to-air missile from the front | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
and broke away the cockpit. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
With the west imposing tough sanctions | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
and accusing Russia of mass murder, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
the time had come for the Kremlin to hit back. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
Just four days after the crash, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
the Russian Ministry Of Defence launched its salvo. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
Two of Russia's most senior generals accused Ukraine. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
They claimed Ukraine deliberately pushed MH17 off its flight path | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
and into the war zone. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
TRANSLATION: Please, pay attention that up to Donetsk area, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
the aircraft flew in the determined corridor, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
and then it deviated from its route to the north. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
And they showed a recording of the Russian radar. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
TRANSLATION: There is new mark of an aircraft to be seen. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
They said this momentary blip revealed | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
a Ukrainian Su-25 fighter jet. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
TRANSLATION: Ukrainian aircraft climbing to the | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
direction of Malaysian Boeing 77. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
It is supposed that it was Su-25. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
The general said the Su-25 carries missiles guaranteed to hit targets | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
within a range of three miles, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
and the Malaysian airliner was already in range. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
This was nonsense. Absolute nonsense. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
I mean, the Su-25 is a | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
close-air support aircraft, | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
so it is designed to operate at low altitude | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
to engage tanks and other equipment on the ground. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
It's not designed to operate at high altitude to shoot down aircraft. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
It's effectively a flying tank. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:10 | |
It doesn't have a pressurised cockpit, so the pilot won't | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
be able to survive at that altitude for very long, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
you know, at 33,000 feet, where MH17 was flying. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
But Russia soon had an answer. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
It came from the Kremlin-funded | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
international news network Russia Today. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
Its slogan is, "question more". | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
Yana Erlashova is one of its star reporters. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
I don't push any scenarios or theories. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
I just report what people say. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
We have a lot of witnesses who saw jet fighters, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
and I still think that this is one of the scenarios | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
that should be at least considered. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
You cannot ignore, you know, um, people's testimonies. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
So Yana staged an extraordinary experiment, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
and the Russian Air Force showed the Su-25 is capable | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
of reaching 33,000 feet, or 10,000 metres. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
TRANSLATED: | 0:14:28 | 0:14:29 | |
I spoke to experts who said it could be possible. They say that | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
it's not easy, but it's possible. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
Another Russian documentary offered an even more dramatic demonstration. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
TRANSLATED: | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
Su-25 don't carry very heavy missiles, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
but they carry massive missiles that can harm, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
you know, an aeroplane, that can bring big damage to a flying object. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:26 | |
TRANSLATED: | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
They claimed the damage matched that on MH17. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
There are experts, there are pilots who consider this theory. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
It's absolutely ignored in the west, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
so I'm trying to give people food for thought. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
But every expert we spoke to say this heavily armoured | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
jet can only reach 33,000 feet by discarding its weapons, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
and firing a weapon would cause it to stall. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
It's slower than MH17 was, than a Boeing 777, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
so it couldn't catch up with MH17. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
It doesn't operate the kind of missile systems | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
that were used to shoot down MH17, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
it only operates heat-seeking missiles, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
and short-range ones at that. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
So the entire idea about, that the Su-25 might have been responsible | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
is completely fanciful. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
But then a shocking new allegation surfaced in Moscow. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
A secret witness walked into a newspaper office. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
He claimed to have worked in the Ukrainian Air Force, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
and he named the pilot of an Su-25 he said shot down MH17. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:46 | |
TRANSLATED: | 0:16:48 | 0:16:49 | |
We tracked down the pilot named by the Russian newspaper | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
to an airfield in southern Ukraine. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
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The secret witness was revealed to be a mechanic | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
who worked at the same base as the pilot. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
Russia Today showed Evgeny Agapov | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
talking to the Russian equivalent of the FBI. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
But the pilot says Agapov lied about what happened | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
on the day MH17 crashed. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
But Russian TV claims to have the smoking gun. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
Russia's most popular TV station, Channel One, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
broadcast an incredible satellite photograph showing | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
a different fighter jet at the exact moment | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
when it fired a missile at MH17. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
But by now, every claim and counter-claim | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
was being picked over online. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
It was a clear fake, and it took about an hour | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
for, kind of, the online community looking at MH17 | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
to completely tear this thing apart. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
This former office worker has started out blogging anonymously. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Just three days before MH17 crashed, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
he set up a website called Bellingcat. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
With a few volunteers, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
they scour websites, blogs and social media posts, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
and they analysed the Russian TV images. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
The satellite image itself of the ground appears to be | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
composite images from different websites | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
that have satellite imagery. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
MH17 is in the wrong position. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
The text on the side of the plane is in the wrong position, too. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
And there's more. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
If that was actually flying, it would be about four miles long, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
based off the perspective between the camera and the ground. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
Or it would be a normal sized aircraft | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
that was 300 metres away from the satellite, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
which would be quite an incredible achievement. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
And it just, when you look at all these different elements and you, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
like, think about it and actually try and verify stuff | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
it just falls apart immediately. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
But what about the witnesses who described seeing other planes | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
right next to MH17 when it crashed? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
It turns out many other witnesses are just as adamant | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
they didn't see any other planes that day. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
One farmer was tending his cows | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
right underneath where the Boeing crashed to the ground. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
TRANSLATED: | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
Vitali had a clear view of MH17, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
but he didn't see any other aircraft nearby at the time of the crash. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
So what could explain the Russian military's claim that | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
another plane was briefly visible on their radar? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
SPEAKING IN RUSSIAN | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
TRANSLATION: And at this point, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
there is another aircraft. It is Boeing 777 mark. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
I've seen a lot of radar data | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
in my time as an investigator. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
When aircraft break up in midair, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
some of the time they continue to transmit radar data on the way down. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
They may well change direction | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
because they've lost the tail, or something like that, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
so they don't have the stability to carry on in a straight line. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
We know MH17 broke up into a number of large pieces. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
Could that explain why many witnesses in the area describe | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
seeing small planes flying in different directions? | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
The official report said a fighter jet | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
could not have caused the damage to MH17. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
And anyway, there were no fighter jets nearby. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Apart from that short blip, even the Russian radar video showed nothing. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
But we'll never know for sure, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
because Russia has never provided the raw, primary radar data. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
And, strangely, Ukraine said all its primary radar was | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
switched off that day. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
As the war of words between the two superpowers escalated, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
the relatives were powerless, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
the dead, abandoned. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
The first days were like hell, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
because we knew the bodies were in the sun. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
That was horrible. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:42 | |
They had no respect at all. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:44 | |
No-one gave us the opportunity to | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
recover the bodies. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
For months, this crime scene lay open and exposed. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
Eventually, after three months, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
Daisy's cousin, Robbie Oehlers, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
was allowed to visit the crash site. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
By now, most of the victims had been recovered. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
But not all. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
I was looking for Daisy's remains | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
and Daisy's stuff, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
because she was not identified and | 0:24:27 | 0:24:28 | |
the family was frustrated, we wanted to find her. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
So I was trying to find her suitcase, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
her clothes, her... Anything that belonged to her. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
When I got there I found more than I wanted. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
The first few metres I was walking, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
you could already see people's belongings lying on the ground. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
And, um, first you smell the kerosene, | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
and then you start to hear voices in your head. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
Really, you're, like you were in this crash. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
Then I found this child's game in a cardboard box, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
and when I opened it I saw the name of the child inside | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
and that's where, where the ground just, uh... | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
..fell beneath me. Was gone. I couldn't walk | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
and I had to take a few minutes for myself. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
It's horrible. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:19 | |
Four months after the crash, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
the investigators finally started recovering the wreckage. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
But that didn't stop the conspiracy theories. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
Much of the Russian media | 0:25:52 | 0:25:53 | |
doubt a ground-to-air Buk missile was involved at all. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
Yana Erlashova said she tried hard to find evidence | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
of the huge missile being launched. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
I literally knocked on every door | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
and I said, "OK, so, where's that Buk missile? | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
"It was somewhere in your area, you must have heard something. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
"You must have..." You know, I did it this... | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
Reverse psychology or whatever you call this, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
for people to be, you know, like, to say honestly what they... | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
But I had no luck. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:25 | |
But near where it is now thought that missile was launched, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
we found one woman with an intriguing story to tell. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
And she comes from the even more intriguingly named village | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
of Red October. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
TRANSLATED: | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
But as it flew past her, she realised it wasn't a crashing plane. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
It was a missile being launched. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
And she didn't see any other planes close by that day. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
What she actually saw was unique. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
But could someone fire a massive missile | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
without anyone taking a picture of it? | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
Three hours after the crash, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
two photographs were posted on social media. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
They claim to show the distant plume of smoke | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
from the missile that brought down MH17. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
The photos were taken by a man from this housing estate, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
seven miles north-west of Valentina's village of Red October. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
But some think the photos are fakes. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
They say the wires in this photo prove it. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
The wires are on the roof, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
but he took this picture, not from the roof. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
He took it from his balcony. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
I totally disagree with that. We've seen images of | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
that side of the building with those cables above the balcony, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
you know, just in exactly the right position to be caught on camera. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
Those cables are there. One's quite rigid, the other's quite droopy. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
That is visible on images. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
But Yana went to look for herself. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
He says that he looked out of the window and he saw the plume. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
But there is no window in his apartment facing, uh, that area. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:15 | |
The photographer's balcony is at the back of this block of flats, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
and we discovered that, in the distance, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
you can see the launch location near Red October, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
to the left of the distinctive hill, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
which you can clearly see in the photo. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
You could absolutely see the launch location from that position. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
I think sometimes people see, you know, the things they want to see, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
and don't see the things they don't want to see. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
We tracked down the man | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
who published the photos on the internet. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
A network of volunteers sends him | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
information about rebel military movements. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
His identity is disguised for security reasons. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
So if MH17 was shot down by a missile and not a plane, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
who pulled the trigger? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
A second theory agrees MH17 was shot down by a missile. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:14 | |
But this one argues that missile was fired by the Ukrainian Army, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
not the Russians. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
And it gets backing from an unlikely source. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
Ray McGovern was a CIA analyst for 27 years. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
He is convinced that the official enquiry covered up the truth. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
I don't believe it was an independent investigation. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
Why did the black boxes end up...in Britain?! | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
Nobody else can analyse black boxes? | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
I have an Irish heritage, and my grandfather told me one time, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
IRISH ACCENT: "Raymond, do you know why the sun | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
"never sets on the British Empire?" | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
I said, "Yeah, I know." | 0:31:55 | 0:31:56 | |
He said, "You don't know, sit down and I will tell you! | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
"The sun never sets on the British Empire | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
"because the Good Lord would never trust the British in the dark." | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
Well, I don't trust the British with the black boxes. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
The US government says it has secret photos showing | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
a Russian Buk launcher firing a missile, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
but it has refused to publish them. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
Don't tell anyone that we have intelligence that shows | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
that the Russians gave them a Buk missile, cos we don't, OK? | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
And these things are 16 feet long, right? And we would have. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
Instead, Ray McGovern claims sources within the CIA | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
believe Ukraine might be to blame. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
Some of the intelligence analysts thought that it was fired from | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
a Ukrainian site and that it could have been a rogue kind of thing. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:57 | |
There was said to be some satellite photography showing | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
bottles of beer around one of the sites. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
What is certain is the Ukrainian Army did have | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
the exact type of Buk missiles that are said to have shot down MH17. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
The Ukrainians have Russian missiles, for Pete's sake. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
So the propaganda effort here was pretty effusive | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
and pretty noxious, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
and it clearly was seized upon by those who wish to paint Putin | 0:33:23 | 0:33:29 | |
in the blackest of colours and those who wanted to impose sanctions. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
While the CIA has refused to produce satellite images, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
the Russians have released theirs. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
MAN SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
The Russian Ministry of Defence say these images show | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
the Ukrainian Army missile launcher | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
first at a military base... | 0:34:01 | 0:34:02 | |
..then on the day of the crash | 0:34:05 | 0:34:06 | |
at a front-line Ukrainian Army position. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
MAN CONTINUES IN RUSSIAN | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
And this is that location. But there is just one problem. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
The details just don't match, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
it doesn't seem to be taken on the same day. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
You have clear examples where they have used imagery | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
from several weeks earlier. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
The Russian satellite images show the Ukrainian missile launcher | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
having left its base. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
But it is still there in a DigitalGlobe image | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
we know was taken on the day MH17 was shot down. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
In fact, as we looked at this imagery more and more, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
it became very, very clear that this imagery | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
from the Russian Ministry of Defence | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
was not from July 17th at all, it was actually from the start of June. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Not a single witness has come forward about this launch site. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
What's more, it appears this location wasn't | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
even held by the Ukrainian Army. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
So, you know, unless they were firing invisible missiles | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
from invisible missile launchers that snuck past | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
rebel checkpoints, this is not the launch site. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
A clearer picture of what really happened could now be emerging. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
On the morning of the shoot down, a Russian Buk missile launcher | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
was seen leaving the rebel-held city of Donetsk. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
The launcher was photographed as it was carried out | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
of the city on the back of a lorry at about | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
11 in the morning. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:55 | |
The online investigators Bellingcat pinpointed | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
the exact location by identifying this lamppost - | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
the way the wires are connected, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
the shape of the trees and the road markings. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
But not everyone is convinced. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
None of it is credible. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
All these reports about seeing Buk missiles on the road, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
those have been shown to be spurious, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
they have been shown to be doctored. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:19 | |
But there are a whole series of photos, videos | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
and social media posts published at the time. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
They all talk about the same missile launcher as it headed east | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
through rebel-held territory. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
20 miles down the road it was filmed again, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
on the back of that same lorry. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Four hours before the crash, the missile launcher was seen | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
parked opposite a petrol station in the next town. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
Around three hours before the crash, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
the launcher heads south out of the town of Snezhnoye. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
The likely launch location is just a few miles down this road. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
So we can track this missile launcher from Donetsk, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
and then we saw it travelling south out of town, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
then we have information from social media, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
a photograph showing this smoke, it all points to one location | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
that is a few kilometres south of the location | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
this last image of the Buk missile launcher was taken. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
And here is that location. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
In a field just a mile east of Red October. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
It falls in the middle of the area | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
identified by the official report. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
This whole area was controlled by the pro-Russian rebels. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
And there is one more piece of evidence that backs that up. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
Launching the Buk missile generates searing temperatures. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
And tellingly, this photograph of burnt grass | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
was taken in that same field just the few days after the crash. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:15 | |
And there is one critical video of the same launcher | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
on the morning after MH17 was shot down. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
Now missing one missile and heading back towards Russia. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
Once again, the Russian Ministry of Defence say that is a lie. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
They claim it actually shows a Ukrainian launcher | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
on Ukrainian territory. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
So the freelance journalist, Billy Six, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
set out to find the true location. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
And he found the Russian claim didn't stack up. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:54 | |
IN GERMAN: | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
Time and time again, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:03 | |
you look at the Russian Ministry of Defence evidence | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
and it looks incredibly suspicious, because they have lied, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
they have faked images, they have misled people on purpose. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
They lied about the flight path - the Dutch Safety Board reports have | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
confirmed that - they lied about the radar data, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
they faked satellite map imagery... | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
And this is a few days after 298 people have been killed, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
and they're just lying to the families of those people. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
Really quite disgusting. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
But can we really believe Bellingcat's blogs and social media, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
rather than the Russian Ministry of Defence? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
The burden of proof is on those who would cite social media, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
especially from this Bellingcat fella there, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
whatever the name is there, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
in the penthouse up there in London or wherever he is. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
I mean, who pays him? | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
It's a criticism that has also been made by Russia Today. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
Bellingcat is run by Eliot Higgins, | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
a 36-year-old laid-off office worker. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
He initially gained a web following | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
and attention from the mainstream media by analysing | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
arms in the Syrian conflict, despite having no experience in that field, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
or any higher education for that matter. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
He even confessed that what he knew about weapons | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
came from Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rambo. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
He sounds very much like somebody that MI6 or my old friends... | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
We say, "We need somebody to get into social media." | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
Everything that he has said has come to naught | 0:40:26 | 0:40:30 | |
that could be proven one way or the other. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
There's lots of people who see, "Well, you are a stooge, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
"you are working for the CIA, you are working for MI6." | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
I would be incredibly well-paid if I was | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
working for the people that they say I am. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
The entire point of the way we work is we give as much information | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
as possible, and this isn't us saying, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
"Oh, we've got this secret source." | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
I build up this whole kind of pattern of information, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
and I invite people to look at it. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
VOICEOVER IN RUSSIAN | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
But no-one beats the Russians for the sheer quantity | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
of information released. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
In this slick video, the manufacturer of the Buk missile | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
argued it must have been fired by the Ukrainian Army. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
The manufacturer said this distinctive missile was no longer | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
in the service of the Russian Army. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
But what is this over President Putin's shoulder? | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
This photograph was taken in 2013, and in 2015, those same missiles | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
were proudly displayed at a May Day parade in Siberia. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
At least until one of the launchers caught fire. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
Not to be put off, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:43 | |
the manufacturer responded with some dramatic experiments. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
And the manufacturer had more surprises to come. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
We are using the special supercomputer device | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
and made over 14 million combinations. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
Now they said the missile was even older, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
and this one was definitely not in Russian service. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
Well, it is not scientific to be honest, because the idea is to | 0:42:11 | 0:42:16 | |
avoid detailed discussion, providing excessive amount of details. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:22 | |
VOICEOVER CONTINUES | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
So the idea is to kill the truth, that is the smokescreen. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
But conspiracy theories about MH17 go much further | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
than just accusing Ukraine. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
Sergei Sokolov is a private investigator. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
He says he now has a network of 150 agents, and he claims to | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
have evidence of a massive international criminal conspiracy. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:05 | |
While the wreckage was still burning, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
one of his agents arrived to gather evidence. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
Instead, they make the astonishing claim that two bombs | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
were planted inside MH17. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
Now this tale gets darker still. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
He says a rogue agent in the Ukrainian Secret Service sold him | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
an astounding telephone intercept. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
And he claims to have uncovered the motive. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
'Hi. Hello.' | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
This is the secret recording that is supposed to prove | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
this massive CIA-led conspiracy. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
'How are the preparations? | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
'Everything, I mean everything, has gone according to plan.' | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
They even named one of the alleged American spies as David Stern. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:56 | |
He is in fact a journalist for the BBC. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
'This is very important, it is critical that there are no leaks. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
'Nah, don't worry, we understand. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
'Excellent, excellent, goodbye.' | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
Unfortunately, the man with the very English accent... | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
'Nah, don't worry, we understand.' | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
..is actually quite clearly an American. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
Svoboda's numbers are still relatively small. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
Nonetheless, its popularity is unquestionably rising. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
They do like conspiracy theories, | 0:46:25 | 0:46:26 | |
but when you think about the number of people that would have | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
been involved both on the American side and the Ukrainian side, | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
it is not the kind of operation | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
that would have been able to be kept secret. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
It would have come out. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:39 | |
I personally tend to believe in Ockham's razor, | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
which basically says, "If you have got a complicated situation | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
"and there are two theories, the simplest theory is the more likely." | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
And there are a few technical problems too. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
The curved outer panels of the aircraft have been | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
deformed inwards by all sorts of marks. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
Much like taking a 12-bore shotgun and shooting at a piece | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
of metal, you get the marks in one particular direction. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
So it was fairly evident that the metal is bent inwards | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
into the aeroplane rather than explosive, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
outwards defamation of the aeroplane, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
so the bomb theory has been discounted fairly easily | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
from the physical evidence on-site. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
So what's going on? | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
Why have so many theories been produced | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
and where are they coming from? | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
Most have emerged from Russia. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:31 | |
Prezident Rossiyskoy Federatsii... | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
One former Russian TV producer has tracked how the Kremlin has adapted | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
the doctrine of "Maskirovka", or military deception, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
for the digital age. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:51 | |
Vladimir Putin has complete control over the Russian media. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Russian TV now works essentially like a cult will work, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
so nonstop conspiracy theories. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
The idea is just to pulverise people's heads. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
Because when you try to keep up with these conspiracy theories, | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
your own critical thinking breaks down. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
So the main thing for the Kremlin is to define what | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
people talk about publicly, what they don't talk about publicly. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
That's much more important than the truth. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
If you look at the major television networks, | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
if you look at Russia Today, or RT, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
it seems to be very clear that they are operating as an arm | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
of the Kremlin and are designed to put out a Russian propaganda line. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
The goal here is to put out lots of different theories | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
to raise smoke, to raise dust and to raise confusion, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
and hopefully persuade people that there is no truth here. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
Neither the Russian Foreign Ministry nor | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
the manufacturer of the missile would talk to us. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
The Russian government rejects | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
any responsibility for the MH17 crash. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
But many have expressed understandable scepticism | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
at Russian claims about Ukraine. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
Initially, Russia denied having any soldiers anywhere in Ukraine. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
President Putin himself said, "The guys who are taking over Crimea, | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
"they are not Russian soldiers, they are locals." | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
And then in April, he says, "Yeah, they were Russian soldiers." | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
And he presents in the Kremlin commendations to | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
the Russian commanders of those forces. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:20 | |
Now, why we should accept his denial now that | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
Russian forces are in eastern Ukraine, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
I just don't understand that. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
We have seen this show before. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:28 | |
The beleaguered Ukrainian government is eager to | 0:49:33 | 0:49:35 | |
turn the tables on Russia. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
Russians will try to present their own version of truth. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:44 | |
Because there is no truth in Russia. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
And the reason is simple as it is. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
They know who committed this crime. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
And they are scared of being brought to justice. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
But the Ukrainian government was not let off the hook. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
The official report criticised Ukraine for failing to close | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
the airspace over the warzone to civilian aircraft. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
Even though its own planes had been shot down. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
We fully implemented all the regulations | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
and we worked in accordance with ordinary practice. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
Let me put aside the conspiracy, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
let's talk only about the facts. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
MH17 was shot down by the missile system. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
The system was made in Russia. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
The system was supplied by Russians. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
The system was operated by those in the know. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
And Russia knows this. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
Why these innocent people have been killed is due to the fact | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
that Russians supplied a surface-to-air missile system | 0:50:48 | 0:50:54 | |
to Russian-led terrorists, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
and they committed this crime. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
A team of criminal investigators led by the Dutch | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
and assisted by Ukrainians, Belgians and Australians | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
is now tasked with finding the culprits. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
But there is already a mass of evidence pointing not just | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
to the pro-Russian rebels, but also to Russia itself. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
An important clue lies inside these vehicles. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
The Ukrainian Army showed us a Buk missile system. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
Normally there are a number of different vehicles, | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
including radar and command units. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
But MH17 is thought to have been shot down by | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
a solitary missile launcher using its in-built radar. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:43 | |
It is impossible to operate it without any training. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
If you don't know the meaning of every switch | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
and every indicator, you just cannot switch it on. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
It points to some professional military, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
professional operators of these sorts of systems. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
And professionals, they have been sitting | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
on the Russian side of the border. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
So the online investigators Bellingcat | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
traced the secret movements | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
of the Russian Army, and they did so by just looking at | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
the social media posts of passing drivers and soldiers themselves. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:16 | |
They tracked a large convoy | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
from the Russian 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
as it headed from Kursk in western Russia | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
towards the Ukrainian border. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
All this just a month before the MH17 crash. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
It's actually remarkable how much information | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
we have been able to find. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:40 | |
We can actually read the number plates, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
and it was from the Moscow military region, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:44 | |
and there was only one air defence brigade in that region. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
And we found hundreds of social media accounts belonging | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
to soldiers of that brigade. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
And then Bellingcat said they made a breakthrough. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
They spotted in the convoy the same missile launcher that had been | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
seen on the day of the crash in eastern Ukraine. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
Its markings look the same, partially obscured, | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
but with the numbers "3" and "2" just visible. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
We can name many of the soldiers who were part of the convoy, | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
we can say who the commanders were. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
We can't say, "This is the guy who pressed the button", but we can | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
certainly give a list of people the police should be speaking to. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
And there is a reason Russian soldiers, tanks | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
and now even missile launchers were heading west. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:33 | |
By the summer of 2014, the pro-Russian rebels | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
were under siege from the ground and from the air. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:53:41 | 0:53:42 | |
Just two days before MH17 crashed, a few miles to the North, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
this apartment block was hit by Ukrainian jets. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
11 civilians where killed, including a child. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
The rebels relied on increasingly powerful ground-to-air missiles. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:05 | |
In the three days before MH17 crashed, a transport plane | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
and an Su-25 flying at 20,000 feet were shot down. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:14 | |
The rebels themselves had no air force. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
There was no air threat to Ukraine. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
And Ukraine wasn't deploying air defence units to the fighting, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
because it didn't need them. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:29 | |
The only air defence units being deployed to the fighting | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
were by the rebels, because Ukraine has an air force | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
and was using it in the fighting. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:36 | |
The Dutch investigators have published a phone conversation | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
intercepted by the Ukrainian security service. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
A rebel soldier called Bezler is heard talking to, allegedly, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:48 | |
a serving Russian military officer. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
A few minutes later, the rebel military commander, Igor Strelkov, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
posted online that the rebels had shot down | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
a large Ukrainian military transport plane. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
"We just took down an Antonov 26. We warned you - do not fly in our sky." | 0:55:19 | 0:55:24 | |
And he suggested an Su-25 might also have been shot down. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:29 | |
Strelkov's post was soon deleted | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
and he later denied claiming any responsibility. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
But in one video, rebel soldiers arrive at the crash scene, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
and they can be heard talking about a Ukrainian fighter jet. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
Sushka is the nickname for an Su-25. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
I don't think that the separatists or whoever is launching that | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
Buk missile intended to shoot down a civilian airliner, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
they thought they were shooting down a Ukrainian military aircraft, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:09 | |
but they didn't check, and they still bear responsibility. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
The fight for justice for the victims of MH17 | 0:56:18 | 0:56:23 | |
is slow and tortuous. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
It's all the worse because this tragedy is now central to | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
a bitter proxy war between Russia and the West | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
over the future of Ukraine. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
There's a whole lot of war going on on the social media | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
about this MH17 situation. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
They seem to lose the whole point of why we want to know who did it. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:47 | |
Not because we want to point fingers at somebody, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
but because they murdered innocent people. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
I don't believe the propaganda. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:02 | |
We've heard so many stories from the Russian side, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
they come up with a story every now and then, so... | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
I don't believe anything Russia says. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
And Ukraine, I don't know, I don't trust Ukraine as well. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
Silene has kept Bryce and Daisy's bedroom as they left it. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
That's the last thing we have from them. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
If I should change the room, it will mean to me that they didn't exist. | 0:57:35 | 0:57:41 | |
Many questions have been answered. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
But the task of bringing those responsible to justice | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 | |
has a long way to go. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:55 | |
We'll go to the end. Yeah. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
Until the day I close my eyes, I will keep fighting for the truth. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:04 | |
And justice. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:05 | |
WIND HOWLS | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
Look how far we've come. | 0:58:58 | 0:59:01 | |
It's a family united. | 0:59:01 | 0:59:03 | |
The Russians have made contact. | 0:59:03 | 0:59:06 | |
They are very dangerous people. | 0:59:06 | 0:59:09 | |
So are we. | 0:59:09 | 0:59:10 |