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Anti-Abortion Camp

Documentary. Stacey Dooley travels to California to meet Survivors, one of America's most extreme anti-abortion groups, to learn about their activities.


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This programme contains some strong language and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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It's tricky going into a situation or an environment

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where you're going to have completely different views

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-to everyone surrounding you.

-Abortion is murder!

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'It is not a belief, it is a scientific fact.'

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You're not out there doing this, they're going to die.

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For now, just try to think like us.

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Whoa!

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I literally can't believe where I am right now.

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-These people are judging. Cos they're gods.

-I'm not judging.

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You're annoyed because I'm talking to somebody who has a different trail of thought.

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No, I'm just kind of confused. I'm not even really annoyed.

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Well, I don't know what's confusing.

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'The baby is rapidly torn apart by the force of the suction.'

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So I have to bring a child into the world?

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There's always someone trying to get into your head.

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Are you pro-choice, are you pro-abortion?

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What would it take to change your mind about something you really believe in?

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As it gets darker and darker in this culture, please believe the fact...

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Thing is, I don't want to do it.

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Just morally, this is such a big thing for me.

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TRAIN HORN BLARES

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I'm in Southern California

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to attend summer camp with a radical protest group known as Survivors,

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who are on a mission to end abortion.

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Abortion has been legal across the USA since 1973.

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It's given rise to a powerful and sometimes extreme pro-life movement.

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-WOMAN:

-Wait till your daughter comes home pregnant!

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In the UK, abortion is legal up to 24 weeks.

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In America, most states set the limit between 20 and 25 weeks.

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But in some, abortion is legal up into the late stages of pregnancy.

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Don't touch me!

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The rights of the unborn versus a woman's choice

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is a hugely divisive issue.

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-Have you had an abortion?

-No! Fuck you, no!

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But it's none of your fucking business.

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-OK, don't hit her. Don't hit her.

-Now you're...

-You're such a...

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I have always been, I guess, fiercely pro-choice.

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I absolutely am of the thought that it's a mother's decision.

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It's her choice and nobody else's whether or not she wants to

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continue with what was maybe an unplanned pregnancy.

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Over three decades, leader Jeff White has gained cult status

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in the American pro-life movement.

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Hey, guys, they are arresting me! Just so you know.

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They won't look at our video.

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I've heard he's been arrested over 100 times,

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and even been in prison for his radical activism.

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..million lives here since 1973.

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Survivors say they practise only peaceful protest.

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-WOMAN OVER LOUD-HAILER:

-..the lies of abortion.

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Survivors are notorious for being one of the only pro-life groups in America

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that train children for front-line activism.

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CHANTING

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I'm enrolling in Survivors' two-week summer camp.

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By living in their world and hearing the pro-life message every day,

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can they possibly change how I feel about abortion?

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-So, Stacey.

-Hello.

-Hi, how are you?

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-I'm Stacey, how do you do?

-I'm Kate.

-Nice to meet you, Kate.

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Here's your folder here, and we'll get you your name tag as well.

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What does this picture symbolise?

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That's the skeleton of the baby,

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so it's representing that 55 million babies have died.

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-OK, so this is my welcome pack?

-Yes.

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-Hello. Are you Jeff?

-Yes.

-How do you do, Jeff?

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-Nice to meet you.

-Yeah, likewise.

-Welcome.

-Thank you.

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So, tell me what the plan is, briefly, for today, Jeff?

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Very soon we're going to head over to the church

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for the start of our classes.

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Inside your pack there, you should have one of these.

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Have we got all of this information? OK, thank you, Jeff. Cool.

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So you'll be sharing a room with me and Mo.

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-Mo?

-Mm-hmm. She's Jeff White's daughter.

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Oh, really? Has he got loads of kids?

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Oh, my gosh, I think he has 11.

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-Are you serious?

-I think so.

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The campers are all staying in the hotel, and we're sharing rooms.

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-Thank you.

-This is our room.

-Oh, perfect!

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If there's three of us we might have to share.

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-Yes, I think Mo and I will share a bed.

-Yeah? Whatever you want to do.

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-Let's go. This is actually my first-ever summer camp.

-Are you serious?

-Yeah.

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The camp's base is in a nearby Catholic church hall.

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-Hello. Can I sit with you?

-Yes.

-Cool.

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Alongside me are 50 other campers aged between 24 and 11.

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So, Survivors was formed because we want to address the issue of

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abortion in our nation. We're going to be out there speaking the truth.

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There are going to be people who hate you for taking that stand.

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And very often we're going to get a reaction from them, and it's

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going to be an explosive reaction, it's going to be an angry reaction.

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So, with that,

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you're going to hear from some of the best leaders around the nation.

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They know what happens when you unleash young people.

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And that's what we're going to do in this camp.

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You're advocates for children.

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If you're not out there doing this for two weeks, they are going to die.

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It's just that simple.

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APPLAUSE

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I'm keen to know why this is the summer camp of choice for these young people.

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-Hey!

-Hey!

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You're here because you believe you should be here,

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or is Mum saying you need to go?

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Oh, no, I am totally pro-life.

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When you're pregnant, it's just basically a miracle.

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And I believe that most women when they have sex, they should be

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open-minded to that possibility, because it's always possible.

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-Yeah, there's always a slight chance.

-Exactly.

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And if you are not completely aware of that,

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and mature enough to realise that you're going to have to be

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able to take care of a life, I don't think you should have intercourse.

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-Oh, really?!

-Yeah.

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Wow. That's a bold statement.

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So, you think, unless you're prepared to be a mother,

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then you shouldn't have sex?

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I'm not a virgin, personally,

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and I'm scared to death to ever, like, have children at my age right now,

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but at least I know I would never abort a child.

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'I'm told we will be protesting in public,

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'and are given a crash course in the facts according to Survivors.'

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-TV:

-'A lot of people claim that no-one can know when life begins,

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'that it's merely a religious issue.'

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'Every human embryologist in the world knows that the life of

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'the new individual human being begins at fertilisation.

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'It is not a belief. It is a scientific fact.

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-'What does this look like to you?

-A baby child, a foetus.

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-'What does this look like?

-A foetus.

-That is a model of a human foetus.

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-'A baby.

-William, how old are you?

-Four and a half.

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-'And you're sure this is a baby?

-Yeah.

-OK.

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'Next...'

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APPLAUSE

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'Guiding the young students are ten older team leaders.'

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I think, for me, I have trouble accepting what that video suggests

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in terms of, as soon as we're finished having sex,

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that's when life starts.

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-Right, so there is no kind of qualms about that?

-No.

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I guess I just don't believe it's my right to...

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dictate to other women and other individuals what's...

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-what they should do.

-Right.

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Abortion, too, he said the destruction of the embryo in

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the mother's womb is a violation of the right to live, which God...

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'The classes are ramping up the pro-life message.'

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What we're seeing in society is the result of a bad worldview.

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As it gets darker and darker in this culture,

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please believe the fact that the ultimate sacrifice is the ultimate gift,

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and it confounds the world when they take our lives,

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when they shame us, when they scourge us,

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when they drag us through the streets like Jesus,

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when they pin us up to the cross and say, "You bigot, you intolerant,"

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when we respond with love and grace, instead of panic, fear and hatred.

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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I can see that the syllabus is clearly having

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a big impact on those around me.

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Do you think you girls are radical?

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-Yeah.

-You do?

-I'm willing to go to jail for this.

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So, would you give your life for this cause?

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Yeah, I would, I definitely would.

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I would, too. Yeah.

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Yeah, because it's basically giving your life for another 60 million...

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million human beings.

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If it meant the end of abortion, like all legal abortion,

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all anything abortion, I would personally die, yeah.

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I am really hoping that

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-Stacey kind of joins our side, you know?

-Yeah.

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If she participates, whether she

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-believes in what she's doing or not...

-Right.

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..but she does those actions, it can start developing,

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and she can see, she can feel the reaction of those people that were

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once maybe like her.

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And she can see the reactions and maybe she'll start actually

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-feeling like what I'm doing is right.

-Yeah.

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-Cos sometimes they say if you act like it, you start believing in it.

-Yeah.

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After a long day of classes I catch up with my roommates -

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Claire and Jeff's 19-year-old daughter Mo.

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Hey! Hey!

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Hi!

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-How are you?

-I'm good, how are you?

-I'm all right.

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-Your hair's nice loose.

-Yeah.

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What time must we be up tomorrow?

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-I think we're leaving at 8.25.

-Are we?

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You're Jeff's daughter, can't you get us a few extra minutes?

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I wish!

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He has a tighter leash on me, so if I do something,

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it's like he notices.

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-It's like, "You should know better."

-Yeah, yeah.

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-So, how was your first day at camp?

-Interesting.

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It was kind of like first day back at school. You know what I mean?

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Everyone's kind of trying to figure everyone else out.

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My first immediate thought, sat there looking round the room,

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was so many of these kids are so young.

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I personally have a real issue with kind of forcing this

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biased agenda down youngsters' throats.

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I think they're not even formed as kind of...

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..thoughtful adults at this moment.

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And surely it's all about

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giving them all the information, from both sides,

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and then leaving it to them to come to their own conclusions.

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'For the next phase of our training, we're leaving the classroom and hitting the road.'

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What are we doing?

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We're going to have a memorial

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at the graveside of the unborn... pre-born.

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We've come to a cemetery on the outskirts of LA.

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We can gather in the shade.

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Activist Joe has been fighting abortion since the 1980s

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alongside Jeff.

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We're coming here for a memorial service

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because there is 54 aborted babies buried here.

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March 14th in 1997, there were a couple of young boys playing

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in a field in Chino Hills, California, not far from here.

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And they noticed some boxes at the edge of this field.

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Much to their horror, they saw a bunch of dead babies.

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A couple of churches in the area immediately got together

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to discuss, what do we need to do?

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So the next day immediately they had a memorial service.

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That was 19 years ago.

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These children are about your age.

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They were discarded from the truck that was transporting them to

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a medical waste facility,

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because it's expensive to deal with medical waste.

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Just think, if one of those children could have escaped

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that horrible death, they might be standing right here with you today.

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That's how old they are.

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And it is my prayer today that this will touch your heart

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and that you will say, no. No. Not now, not ever.

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Not on my watch.

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-KEYBOARD PLAYS

-# And my soul... #

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'It's impossible not to find the story shocking,

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'especially for the young campers.'

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Each and every one of these babies is special and had a purpose.

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Each and every one of them...

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..is God's artistry.

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(Why are you so emotional?)

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WHISPERING:

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THEY SOB QUIETLY

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Their parents don't even know they're here.

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(No-one can argue that what that driver did,

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(dumping those embryos, was absolutely wrong.)

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Those babies. Those babies.

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The reason we do this is to just have a remembrance...

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..that they were lives and they ended,

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and each day thousands of children die the same way.

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And our job is to rescue them.

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We are, in essence, rescuers.

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-So, rescuers. Also, I'm presuming, Survivors.

-Survivors.

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Why do you call yourself Survivors?

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Because anybody born after 1973

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survived the American Abortion Holocaust. OK?

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We have... The number of children

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that we've murdered in the United States

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makes Nazi Germany pale by comparison.

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That's fascinating, the idea that you believe that comparison is necessary.

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You think that's accurate.

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We're talking about human beings unjustly killed.

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Jewish human beings, unborn babies.

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So I think it's a fair comparison.

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-So that's your kind of overriding message, essentially?

-Yes.

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-All life is sacred.

-That's correct.

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Whether it's inside of a womb, or it's outside.

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'I find Jeff's Holocaust analogy so controversial,

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'but I'm quickly learning he uses shock as a key tool in promoting his message.'

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Jeff isn't stupid.

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And any adult knows that if you get a group of kids and stand them in front of...

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..a tombstone, and you make sure there's a keyboard playing

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a very sad song in the background,

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then that's going to make these kids respond

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in a way that is going to, hopefully, in the next couple of days,

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make sure they are quite militant when they're out in the streets.

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It can feel like they are manipulating these

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impressionable youngsters.

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Now thoroughly schooled in Jeff's message,

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it's time to take the pro-life argument to the public.

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We're preparing for our first street demonstration,

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using signs with highly graphic images.

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Today you're going to be holding a sign on the street at the beach, OK?

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So you need to be prepared for that.

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Yeah. Can... I wanted to talk to you about that. I...

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don't know if I feel entirely comfortable

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-in terms of holding the sign.

-Right.

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I wondered, could I stand next to the guys with the sign?

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Why can't she stand next to the sign and say, "I'm OK with this"?

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I don't feel comfortable holding a sign.

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Today I'll have you stand next to somebody. OK?

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But at some point in time,

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I'm going to want you to have possession of the sign

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so that you have to defend holding that image to somebody coming by.

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You want to be a part of the camp.

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You're more than capable.

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'The thought of front-line protesting is making me

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'feel really uncomfortable, but at least I'm not the only rookie.'

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-How are you feeling?

-I am nervous to the point of...

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If I can represent the movement I'm in...

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I've always been pro-life in thought and what I say and how I speak it,

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but I've never been an activist.

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And so I get here, and on these three days of training we've had,

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I see now why these people are dedicating so much of their life.

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So it sounds to me like the camp has encouraged you to go further

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than you ever have done in the past.

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-Almost like a calling.

-Yeah.

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Yeah, so, I mean, at first you get motivated by

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what you hear, what you see, what you believe is true,

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so the representation they showed us,

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the more truths they showed us over the evils that are happening,

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when we went down to the memorial of the 54 babies that were aborted

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and left on the side of the road...

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-I have now felt it as a calling through that experience I've had.

-Right.

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-So now I'm more motivated to go out and be an activist to end it.

-Right.

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Survivors purposely target the busiest locations.

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Today it's Huntington Beach, famous for its laid-back vibe.

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So, I need you guys all to grab a sign,

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and then go with Veronica and go across, OK?

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The rest of you, we're going to be setting up over here.

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'Within minutes of arriving, the police are on the scene.'

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-Back up. Back up, people, I'm tired of this. Back away from us, now.

-Please don't hurt them.

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It doesn't take long for our signs to get a reaction from the public.

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Whoa, whoa!

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SHE EXHALES

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But I'm guilty.

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I've been part of an abortion, and it was the best decision I made.

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-But these people are judging, cos they're gods.

-I'm not judging.

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'It suddenly hit me how real all of this is.'

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I literally can't believe where I am right now.

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I really want to enjoy this beach, though.

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If a woman feels like she doesn't want to have a baby,

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I think that's her choice, the kid don't have

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no decisions to make for itself.

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We're saying, that baby still doesn't know what's going on.

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It's a human being.

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Every time I jack off and bust a nut,

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does that make that sperms and shit a fucking life, and something I...?

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-No, cos it hasn't fertilised.

-But it's still living, it's a cell.

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But once the egg and shit... It's still a cell.

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I mean, I bet you that if this baby could talk they would be like

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"Ma, I don't want to be killed.

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"I want to have the opportunity to actually live."

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58 million, just in America. 40 million a year in the world.

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Human beings that aren't here.

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Because we terminate them because women think it's their choice

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to end a life they created.

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The way you should fight this battle is when you have a kid

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or you knock somebody up, it's you have that belief, and you do that with your own life.

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All these other people that feel a different way and want to do it a different way,

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you let them live their fucking life.

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-Thank you very much. We really appreciate this great discussion.

-Thank you.

-It's nice to meet you.

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-So, where are you from, the River Thames or what?

-SHE LAUGHS

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I'm, like, hanging out with these guys.

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These guys are obviously pro-lifers. I'm not necessarily pro-life,

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I more pro-choice. But they've been so accommodating,

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and they have been really lovely, actually.

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And they're trying to explain to me their perspective, and vice versa.

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-So, I'll introduce myself. I'm Stacey.

-Stacey, my name's William.

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Nice to meet you. Do signs like this make you think even

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a little bit, or are you still adamant in what you believe?

0:21:010:21:04

Of course it made me think for a second,

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but more I thought that was just ugly to bring out here than it is...

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'But voicing my genuine opinion in public has not gone unnoticed.'

0:21:110:21:16

-Right.

-Religion has nothing to do with facts, though.

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Sorry, Sheila, we were having a conversation. He's...

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But we're in a public area,

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and you're saying something that I object to.

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You're kind of giving the other side a platform and I was

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under the impression that you were here to just kind of like...

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That's what it is, isn't it, Sheila?

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You're annoyed because I'm talking to somebody who has a different trail of thought.

0:21:340:21:38

-No, I'm just kind of confused. I'm not even really annoyed.

-I don't know what's confusing.

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I'm confused because basically I'm getting some concerns from the campers.

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All you have to say is, "Stace, can I have a chat?"

0:21:440:21:47

'Speaking my mind has also upset Yuni,

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'and I want to clear the air.'

0:21:550:21:57

I know that you felt a bit gutted about me having

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a chat with the guy who was pro-choice.

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I didn't like the fact that you stepped up and you're like,

0:22:050:22:09

"I'm with you, I'm pro-choice."

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And that got me a little mad.

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I totally agree that you should talk to them.

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You should have conversations with them or anything.

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But I feel like you shouldn't do it when we're telling him

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a completely opposite thing, because you're with us.

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So it just makes us look bad.

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I'm in a hard fucking space, girls.

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Like, I rate you lot, I like all of you. I'm growing fond of you all.

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But you're still...about what I'm not. So I'm trying.

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I'm really trying, but it's not always easy.

0:22:420:22:45

I'm sat here wondering what it...

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What it would take, what they would have to say to convince me.

0:22:510:22:54

That their way is correct. You know?

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All along they've got it right and perhaps I got it wrong.

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Oh!

0:23:050:23:07

-Huh?

-Have you ever been in the ocean?

0:23:070:23:09

I have in the past, but I forgot my bikini.

0:23:090:23:13

Have you had a good day?

0:23:130:23:14

-Yeah, it was really fun.

-Fun?

0:23:140:23:17

-It was kind of exciting.

-Yeah? And...?

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Cos sometimes there's some police there.

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And this is a huge part of your family's life.

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Do you feel like it will always be a part of yours?

0:23:300:23:34

Yeah.

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Because it's kind of sad that the babies don't get

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a chance to vote for themselves and, like, to speak for themselves,

0:23:390:23:45

-and I would just like them to be able to have that chance.

-Wow.

0:23:450:23:49

-I'm going to go wash off.

-All right, love. OK.

0:23:490:23:52

-You're leading.

-Don't follow me, ever!

0:24:010:24:05

'I'm halfway through camp.

0:24:050:24:07

'We're preparing signs for our next protest.

0:24:070:24:10

'It's clear Jeff's determined for me to get more hands-on.'

0:24:100:24:14

-Are you pro-choice? Are you pro-abortion?

-I'm pro-choice, all day.

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Pro-choice. OK.

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If you're pro-choice, then half of that responsibility

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-is helping the person to make the right choice.

-Yeah.

0:24:240:24:27

So, often it's the person is in...

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-in a traumatic situation.

-Mm-hmm.

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The world is crashing in around them.

0:24:320:24:34

-They need somebody to direct them and at least warn them.

-Yeah.

0:24:340:24:38

"This is something you should consider."

0:24:380:24:41

You're completely right. I should know both sides. I should know...

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why you guys believe it is so necessary for you to be out here.

0:24:460:24:50

I'll tell you what this is doing, which is really healthy,

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it's making me imagine what I would do as a woman

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if I found myself in this situation.

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What I'd actually like to ask you to do is to take some of the

0:25:010:25:05

shame that it is to be a pro-life activist,

0:25:050:25:08

there is that sense in which you are ostracised from the community,

0:25:080:25:12

I'd like you to feel that, cos I think it's critical to

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understand really what these young people are experiencing.

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To help me understand the challenge pro-lifers face,

0:25:270:25:30

Jeff's asked me to role-play as one of them.

0:25:300:25:34

APPLAUSE

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Here we go, we're setting her all up.

0:25:370:25:39

-So, Jeff, I'm posing as a pro-lifer?

-That's correct.

-OK.

0:25:390:25:42

I don't think that abortion is killing human babies.

0:25:470:25:50

Why would you say that?

0:25:500:25:51

Lots of people who support pro-choice

0:25:510:25:54

believe that it's a foetus, or they refer to it as an embryo.

0:25:540:25:58

But actually, as a religious pro-lifer,

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I believe that life starts at conception.

0:26:020:26:07

-WOMAN:

-Yes!

0:26:070:26:08

APPLAUSE

0:26:080:26:11

-Another question. Yes.

-What about women who have been raped?

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Are you saying that you are going to force women to carry a child

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after this traumatic experience?

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This, em... This baby is an innocent human being.

0:26:260:26:32

And we would urge you to perhaps not punish this baby.

0:26:330:26:39

Did you just call me a murderer?

0:26:390:26:41

AUDIENCE REACTS

0:26:410:26:44

Erm... I mean, we believe that abortion is murder.

0:26:440:26:49

Is that what you believe?

0:26:500:26:52

If they make it a personal story, you get it off that personal story.

0:26:520:26:56

The most compassionate thing we can do is offer support,

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cos she's probably still hurting.

0:27:010:27:04

I'll tell you what I imagine is really tricky, though,

0:27:040:27:06

you say try and keep it sort of theoretical, but it is so personal.

0:27:060:27:10

You were still raped. Abortion didn't un-rape you.

0:27:100:27:13

What we believe is for women who did go through that, we say,

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you know, we'll take care of you.

0:27:190:27:21

But in my own experience, you know,

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I have met women who have been raped and it was in countries

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where abortion is illegal,

0:27:260:27:27

and so they were forced to go through with the pregnancy,

0:27:270:27:30

and they killed themselves.

0:27:300:27:32

They just couldn't look at that child.

0:27:320:27:34

So, it's so difficult for me, I can't tell you.

0:27:340:27:37

It is difficult. It's not an easy question for them.

0:27:370:27:39

I can only say that these things I believe to be true,

0:27:390:27:43

and I want to offer compassion.

0:27:430:27:45

'Today I would say I'm feeling quite drained, actually.

0:27:480:27:52

'Sort of constantly on the back foot here.'

0:27:530:27:57

There's always someone trying to get into your head and trying to

0:27:570:28:01

understand why you can't see things from their point of view.

0:28:010:28:08

They just, honestly, they...

0:28:080:28:11

They can't comprehend how I can't adamantly believe...

0:28:110:28:15

..that abortion is this abhorrent...

0:28:170:28:22

..act that needs to be eradicated immediately.

0:28:240:28:27

Today we're protesting again in one of LA's most alternative

0:28:290:28:33

and hedonistic neighbourhoods - Venice Beach.

0:28:330:28:36

This place is a zoo. OK?

0:28:400:28:43

There's everything from drunks to addicts to...

0:28:430:28:46

to people coming from all over the world.

0:28:460:28:49

So it's going to be high traffic, OK?

0:28:490:28:52

'This time, will I be able to toe the party line?'

0:28:520:28:55

Honestly, I can't preach the message, but I'm here with you.

0:28:550:28:59

Just, morally, this is such a big thing for me.

0:28:590:29:02

To stand for something that you don't really believe in is quite tricky.

0:29:020:29:06

Just answer the best answer that you can.

0:29:060:29:10

Stay as close to the argument without violating your conscience.

0:29:100:29:14

-Fair enough?

-Yeah, that's fair.

0:29:140:29:16

I will say, "The pro-lifers would say..."

0:29:160:29:19

'Andres and the guys are soon engaging the public.'

0:29:200:29:24

-I got that.

-It has nothing to do with you. Two crazy people fucked.

0:29:240:29:27

I'm sorry, but they want to kill a baby, that's up to them.

0:29:270:29:30

Why are you getting involved with their situation?

0:29:300:29:33

'And then it's my turn,

0:29:330:29:35

'holding a hard-hitting image of a foetus aborted after 29 weeks.'

0:29:350:29:40

-It was good.

-What do you make of the message?

0:29:400:29:43

-I hear all the message, no abortion. No abortion, right?

-You agree?

0:29:430:29:47

-We agree. We definitely agree

-I... I...

0:29:470:29:51

Would you like to come and talk to us?

0:29:510:29:53

So, this is a picture of, erm...

0:29:530:29:56

of an abortion in third trimester.

0:29:560:29:59

My God! This is evil!

0:30:010:30:05

I can't believe it. Are you helping?

0:30:050:30:09

Are you involved in this in some way?

0:30:090:30:11

So, Zaira is a pro-lifer, and she believes that the world,

0:30:110:30:16

the country, would be a better place if abortion was made illegal.

0:30:160:30:22

So, it'd be interesting to hear your take on that.

0:30:220:30:25

I agree.

0:30:260:30:27

'Staying on message and true to my beliefs is hugely difficult.'

0:30:280:30:34

Say she was violently raped at age 18.

0:30:340:30:37

I mean, you're talking about the rights of the child,

0:30:370:30:39

what about the rights of the woman?

0:30:390:30:41

'I must admit, although we disagree, I am growing fond of these kids.'

0:30:410:30:46

-Jeff wants the more explicit signs in the middle.

-OK.

0:30:460:30:51

I think that you've come through the process and where you're at,

0:30:510:30:55

I think that you're at a turning point emotionally.

0:30:550:30:58

I can see where they're coming from,

0:30:580:31:01

because they believe in their heart of hearts that it's...

0:31:010:31:05

-it's a complete human, it is a living being.

-Right.

0:31:050:31:08

The most vulnerable within our society.

0:31:100:31:13

God, I'm turning, Jeff! SHE LAUGHS

0:31:130:31:16

I'm not. Maybe a little. SHE LAUGHS

0:31:160:31:19

Thank you.

0:31:190:31:21

There's only three days of camp left,

0:31:250:31:28

and Jeff has shifted the activism up a gear.

0:31:280:31:30

He's brought us to an abortion clinic belonging to

0:31:330:31:36

Planned Parenthood, one of America's largest abortion providers.

0:31:360:31:40

This wall was put up because of...

0:31:410:31:45

They turned 27 women around out here in a 40-day period,

0:31:450:31:50

to change their mind, and get help elsewhere and keep their baby.

0:31:500:31:54

-So this wall is brand-new?

-This wall is brand-new.

0:31:540:31:57

It was built for us to stop us from talking to the women.

0:31:570:32:00

Jeff's asked the students to write anti-abortion slogans

0:32:020:32:06

to try and influence the staff and pregnant women inside.

0:32:060:32:10

While the kids scrawl their slogans, a patient comes out.

0:32:100:32:14

I've had an abortion, and you know what? It's my God-given right.

0:32:170:32:22

The fact you come here and you use children, innocent children,

0:32:220:32:26

that don't even know how to raise a baby.

0:32:260:32:28

So how dare you come in here and say that we can't do this,

0:32:280:32:33

-or that it's wrong?

-Are you talking to me?

0:32:330:32:36

I'm talking to any adult that brought these kids here...

0:32:360:32:38

-That's Jeff.

-..for whatever reason you guys brought these children here to mark up here.

0:32:380:32:42

Where is Jeff?

0:32:420:32:44

You know how it affects the mother? How it affects me?

0:32:440:32:47

That doesn't change what we're doing here.

0:32:470:32:49

-So I have to bring a child into the world?

-No.

0:32:490:32:51

You know what, I'm not going to listen to you.

0:32:510:32:53

You asked a question, I'd like to answer it, that's all.

0:32:530:32:55

Cos you know what? That's wrong.

0:32:550:32:57

'After covering the pavement with their messages,

0:32:570:33:00

'the students make a quick exit.'

0:33:000:33:02

All right, you guys, let's load it up.

0:33:020:33:05

'I want to know what effect it's had on Bonnie, the patient.'

0:33:050:33:08

It hurts me to see children, you know, being used.

0:33:080:33:12

That could be my daughter, my 11-year-old daughter, writing that right there.

0:33:120:33:16

And this could be her half-brother and sister. You know what I mean?

0:33:160:33:20

And I have to... I have to make this choice.

0:33:200:33:23

So I should be able to come to a place like this and do that.

0:33:230:33:26

Does that make an already very difficult situation even more difficult?

0:33:260:33:31

Yes. Yes, it does. It very does.

0:33:310:33:34

Because you come out here and you see all the writing on the wall

0:33:340:33:36

and it makes you feel guilt, it makes you feel shame. It turns it into anger.

0:33:360:33:40

I carried guilt and shame for my...my three abortions ever since I did them.

0:33:400:33:45

But I know that I've asked God to forgive me.

0:33:450:33:48

This isn't a split-second decision.

0:33:480:33:50

-You've given this serious thought.

-Yes.

0:33:500:33:52

-You've thought about it for a very long time.

-Yes.

0:33:520:33:54

-And it's the right decision for you.

-Yes.

0:33:540:33:56

'I'm upset about how Bonnie was treated,

0:33:560:33:59

'and want to make my feelings known to the group.'

0:33:590:34:02

Any time that we say it's OK to take an instrument

0:34:040:34:09

and rip limbs off the body of a human being,

0:34:090:34:15

simply cos somebody wants to live a different way,

0:34:150:34:18

we've taken away their value.

0:34:180:34:21

Do you feel like you did enough with that woman today outside Planned Parenthood?

0:34:210:34:25

I tried to softly talk to her.

0:34:250:34:27

And as soon as I actually answered her question,

0:34:270:34:30

she obviously shut me off and didn't want an answer.

0:34:300:34:33

Today was just a sidewalk chalk and somebody happened to come out and start yelling at them.

0:34:330:34:37

That's real life. Having a conversation with that girl,

0:34:370:34:40

Bonnie, I don't feel like...

0:34:400:34:41

And I know you place such emphasis on making sure that the woman feels loved.

0:34:410:34:45

I'm giving you feedback, almost - she didn't feel that.

0:34:450:34:49

She didn't want to listen to us.

0:34:490:34:51

I'm not going to, like, force her to listen to me, you know?

0:34:510:34:54

Because then that would just be bad.

0:34:540:34:55

That would seem like as a negative influence, and we don't want that.

0:34:550:34:59

We have never been disrespectful towards women. We are pacifists.

0:34:590:35:02

What happened this afternoon, I just didn't feel like that woman

0:35:020:35:06

felt like she was loved and she had that complete support.

0:35:060:35:10

If anything, it felt a bit hostile.

0:35:100:35:12

We present what's perfect, we present the absolute truth.

0:35:120:35:15

We're defending life.

0:35:150:35:16

We may not present it well, but don't label the movement over the people.

0:35:160:35:20

But, yeah, I appreciate your giving us this feedback on what the person thought.

0:35:200:35:23

-And because we could always do better.

-Yeah.

0:35:230:35:27

'Andres' honesty is admirable, but I still wonder if kids this young

0:35:270:35:31

'are capable of helping women like Bonnie.'

0:35:310:35:34

Had enough today.

0:35:350:35:36

Not one of you said, "Do you need a couple of minutes? Can I have a chat?"

0:35:380:35:42

You wrote on the pavement, "Abortion is murder," and then you left.

0:35:420:35:45

If you want to say I have rookie troops and they failed,

0:35:450:35:49

I'll go with that. But I won't go that it was a matter of the heart.

0:35:490:35:53

I feel like saying to the kids, "What are you going to do

0:35:530:35:56

"to help this woman if you tell her not to go through with it?"

0:35:560:35:59

I get calls all the time from people who are outside the clinics, OK?

0:35:590:36:02

I house 18 women and their children.

0:36:020:36:05

I have a girl that lived in one of my cabins,

0:36:050:36:08

lived in my house and then lived in one of my cabins.

0:36:080:36:10

-The fact is we do help them.

-You do, Jeff.

-No, not me alone.

0:36:100:36:14

It happens all the time.

0:36:140:36:16

But what kids have taken one of those women in?

0:36:160:36:18

-Well, my daughter Janey...

-No, the kids that are in this camp now.

0:36:180:36:21

Well, the kids that are in the camp now, they are 16, 17 years old.

0:36:210:36:24

-That's what I'm saying.

-But they have resources.

0:36:240:36:26

If you want to be perfect, don't go into the compassion business...

0:36:260:36:32

-VOICE BREAKING:

-Because you can never do enough.

0:36:320:36:36

Jeff, please don't get... I don't want you to get upset.

0:36:360:36:38

I've not come here to upset you. I'm just trying to be totally honest.

0:36:380:36:41

No, no, no. I'm fine. It's just...

0:36:410:36:44

VOICE BREAKING: I just don't understand how you can be such an awesome man, but...

0:36:440:36:48

..not sympathise with this woman, and not understand...

0:36:490:36:53

-But I do sympathise.

-..how tragic this is for her.

-I do sympathise.

0:36:530:36:57

Today was probably the most controversial day I've had so far.

0:37:000:37:08

Dealing with real girls who are often in desperate situations.

0:37:080:37:13

And my concern is that a lot of these kids,

0:37:150:37:18

and a lot of these pro-lifers assume...

0:37:180:37:22

..that girls, you know...

0:37:240:37:26

..come to the decision very quickly, it's a very easy choice.

0:37:290:37:33

You know, no-one skips into an abortion clinic.

0:37:330:37:36

And that was very obvious for me today.

0:37:380:37:40

Jeff says they have supported women

0:37:450:37:47

that decided to not have an abortion,

0:37:470:37:49

including accommodation, and even helping to pay for the education of some of the mothers.

0:37:490:37:54

But I want to see proof.

0:37:540:37:56

Say hi, baby.

0:37:560:37:57

'Three years ago, ex-Survivor student Ashley met a mother-to-be

0:37:590:38:03

'who was seeking an abortion and offered her an alternative.'

0:38:030:38:08

-This is Stella. You say hello?

-Hi, Stella.

0:38:080:38:12

So you had a conversation with one of the girls, is that correct?

0:38:120:38:15

Yes, I think she was about seven months pregnant

0:38:150:38:18

-when I first met her.

-Wow.

0:38:180:38:20

And she's 15 years old. We met for dinner,

0:38:200:38:22

and you could just tell she was just super scared, and she was alone.

0:38:220:38:28

She was in the foster care system herself.

0:38:280:38:31

She came from a very broken home.

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And her number-one reason for wanting an abortion was

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because she felt like she had no other option.

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And so it offered to her that if she chose life for the baby that,

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you know, I would adopt her baby if that's what you would want,

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or, you know, just to show her that there are couples.

0:38:510:38:54

Yeah, that there are couples.

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You know, especially in the pro-life movement,

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that personally want to adopt children.

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So, yeah, over the course of a week, I convinced her.

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I said, "You have to make a choice. It is a ticking time bomb.

0:39:050:39:07

"So we have to figure this out."

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So I take her to a pregnancy resource centre. At the end of the meeting - I wasn't in there -

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the counsellor came out and said, "She would like to speak with you."

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And I said, "OK." And my heart's racing, cos I'm like,

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"Lord, I hope she doesn't choose abortion."

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And that's when she said...

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-Sorry.

-Don't say sorry. MAN CHUCKLES

0:39:270:39:30

Don't say sorry.

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She said...

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"I've decided to not have an abortion,

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"and I would like for you and Charles to adopt my baby."

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And I immediately said, "Yes, we will."

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I called him and I said, "We're having a girl."

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And he's like, "What?!"

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And Charles is like, "Sweet, when is her due date?"

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He just was right on board from the beginning.

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-Surprised us, though. We weren't really expecting it.

-Yeah.

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But it was a massive blessing.

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-We were blown away and just so happy.

-We were blown away and so excited.

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How did the birth mother...deal with the enormity of the situation?

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I mean, she just had this peace about her, and she was like,

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"This is the right decision. I'm making the right decision.

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"I'm so thankful I didn't have an abortion.

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"At least, in this instance, something beautiful comes out of that pain."

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-Throughout this experience, we have an open adoption.

-OK, yes.

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-So there's contact.

-Yes.

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It's... We still care about her individually.

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I find myself... More times we're talking about each other,

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you know, or having a conversation together,

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and Stella is not even brought up,

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because we developed this relationship, this love for each other.

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You know, we are both the mother to Stella, just in different ways.

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It's been such a huge blessing, the whole process.

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-We would do it again in a heartbeat, too.

-Wow!

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-Bye, baby.

-You say "Bye, baby!"

-STELLA:

-Ba ba.

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Can you give a kiss?

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'One of the reasons I personally have an issue with the kids

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intervening is because, really and truly, they have no...

0:41:090:41:13

..tangible solution.

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I hadn't, however, entertained the fact that they are obviously

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going to grow up into adults, and if they still feel passionately and...

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they are still banging the Survivors drum, they are going to be in

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a position where they are able to behave like Ashley and Charles have.

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And I can't argue with the fact that there's every chance...

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..Stella would have been aborted

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if they hadn't have interjected and so...

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to see Stella knocking about with her sister and...

0:41:470:41:51

..playing with Jeff, it does...

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..put a different spin on things, and it is real food for thought.

0:41:590:42:03

ACOUSTIC GUITAR

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It's the last night of camp.

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The students are holding a vigil at the abortion clinic

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and reflecting on their experiences.

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It's a really powerful thing to see how we can actually, like,

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just us, just a group of kids, can change a lot of people's minds,

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and we can actually save lives.

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-Thank you for everything.

-APPLAUSE

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I felt this love from all y'all,

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and I felt this care that y'all all see towards any abortion.

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When I was talking to people I had that passion.

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I always felt like, "Man, I'm representing the absolute truth and I want to share with everybody."

0:42:400:42:45

I think you're all beautiful kids.

0:42:450:42:46

I think you've got the sweetest souls,

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and, yeah, I'm made up I've got a couple of new pals.

0:42:490:42:53

Thank you so much. Thank you.

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APPLAUSE

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And I don't know if we changed her mind or not,

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but I think we will forever impact her in some way.

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And that's our purpose here. It's one person at a time, you know?

0:43:050:43:09

'My time with Survivors is over.'

0:43:090:43:11

-Hi, gang!

-Hey!

0:43:110:43:15

I would hope that Stacey is going to walk away with an understanding

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that pro-lifers aren't firebomb-throwing whack jobs, OK?

0:43:190:43:25

Hey, we're just people that...

0:43:250:43:27

..love unborn children, we believe they are fully human,

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just like you or I, and we're out to save them.

0:43:320:43:36

And that may be passionate, and that may be loud, but it's not...

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It's not coming from a pool of hatred, it's coming from a pool of love.

0:43:410:43:44

'I'll tell you what has surprised me

0:43:490:43:51

'is the fact that all of these kids

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'seem to genuinely want to be here,

0:43:530:43:55

'and they seem to love it and just get such a kick out of...

0:43:550:44:00

'being here.'

0:44:000:44:01

I've been really open-minded, I haven't been entirely dismissive,

0:44:050:44:10

I've listened to the opposing argument.

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And from that, you know, it has given me food for thought.

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Abortion will always exist.

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I pray that I never find myself in a situation in the future

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where I have to entertain the idea of possibly going through with an abortion.

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But you just never know what your circumstances could be.

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I would want it to be legal and to be as safe as possible.

0:44:300:44:34

-It's been fun.

-Yeah, no, it has. Thank you.

0:44:340:44:38

I think I would find it a lot harder,

0:44:380:44:41

far more difficult to go through with an abortion

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if I was of the thought that the child,

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if I gave birth at that moment, could survive.

0:44:470:44:51

And I'm not saying I would pass any judgment on any other girls

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with what they decide to do, but...

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..I think that would be a sticking point for me, actually.

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Stacey Dooley travels to California to meet Survivors, one of America's most extreme anti-abortion groups. Learning alongside them in the classroom, before witnessing them preach their pro-life message to both the public and mothers-to-be, can they persuade Stacey to join their controversial campaign?