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How safe is it for them to be outside? I heard they bite your nose off. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
-Oh, no, no, no. -But it does happen? -Yes. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
Hey, baby! | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
Come here to Mama. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:13 | |
-He's OK. He just wants to hug. -Hello, how do you do? | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
-Quite strong, isn't he? -Yeah. -He's quite strong. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
-He's not going to bite me? -No. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
-Why do I think he will bite me? -I don't know. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
He's not going for my nuts. He's not going to bite my testicles? | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
-He wants you to hold him. -He wants you to hold him. -He'll squeeze you. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
-He's not going to bite? -He'll put his mouth on you. -OK. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
Just kiss him. Give him kisses. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
-Oh, yes. -Oh, that's lovely. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
OK. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
-SHE LAUGHS -I read so much about them ripping your face off. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
-Don't act nervous. -I'm not nervous. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
It's actually quite nice. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
'I was on safari in the suburbs, on the trail of wild animals | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
'and wild animal owners, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
'who have turned dangerous jungle creatures into human companions.' | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
-You don't think animals really want to be wild? -No. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
They're not stupid. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
'Despite their risks, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
'there is a large and growing population of exotic animals who make their homes here in America. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:14 | |
'And a network of breeders and dealers who make a living out of wildlife in captivity.' | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
He decided he was going to be a tiger and they couldn't say, don't shoot my tiger. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
-Just let him eat...? -Say, eat me. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
'I was hoping to find out if the practice is fair on the animals, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
'whether it's even safe and, most of all, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
'why anyone would want a tiger.' | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
'GW Exotic Animal Park is a not-for-profit zoo in Wynnewood, Oklahoma, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
'with one of the largest big cat collections in the world.' | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
'I'd arranged with park owner Joe Schreibvogel, | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
'better known as Joe Exotic, to spend a few days at the park. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
'But my arrival had coincided with some unpleasant news.' | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
Hi, we're going to do this rescue real quick | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
and we've got just a limited time, OK? | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
By early afternoon, they're forecasting a tornado outbreak. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
This is going to be, some of you, your first experience, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
so as soon as we get back, all the animals are going in lockdown. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
OK? | 0:02:34 | 0:02:35 | |
Putting all the cats in lockdown, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
the chimps are going lockdown, all the primates are going lockdown. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
And we're going to get prepared for the worst. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
I have never in my life seen what they put on TV as far as a warning. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:51 | |
It's going to get that bad. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
You think there could be a tornado on the way here? | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
-That is what they are calling for. -You have how many tigers here? -176. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
-So it could release the tigers... -It would be a disaster. -..into Oklahoma City. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
-It could be a disaster. -These are captive-bred tigers, are they not? | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
-They're not wild-born tigers. In a sense they're tame. -You're right. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
They're not going to be as dangerous as if a wild tiger was to be out there. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
But the only hazard is what the people would do to approach them. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:23 | |
You know. Because these tigers would think you want them to play. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
What do I do if I...? I mean, can I help if there's an emergency? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
HE LAUGHS We'll lend you a gun! | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
-We have enough guns. -It will be sad if... -It would be a horrible thing. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
-It would be sad if you had to shoot a bunch of tigers. -It would be horrible. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
-Very horrible. -Could you do that? -I would have to. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
'In previous lives, Joe had been a cop and a pet-store owner. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
'And he was still occasionally a magic entertainer. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
'Joe's park has more than 200 big cats, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
'including lions, tigers and a rare half-lion, half-tiger crossbreed, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
'called a liger. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
'Many of the animals are rescued and rehomed from private owners who could no longer take care of them.' | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
OK. Let the fun begin. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
'The tornado is still a few hours away. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
'Joe had an appointment to rescue some more animals.' | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
Tornadoes scare me more than tigers. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
Why? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
Cos at least you can fight back with a tiger. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
There's no fighting back with a tornado. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
One of the pitfalls of exotic pet ownership | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
is that animals that are manageable when small | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
become more of a burden as they mature. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
-Hey, chief. -How you doing? -It's been years. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
-You don't look a whole lot different, other than you're greyer. -A little bit! | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
-How are you going to attempt this, Joe? -That's what we're sitting here discussing - | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
-which one we want to do first. -Are you going to tranquillise them? | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
We're going to have to tranquillise the leopard. Leopards are a little more aggressive... | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
than tigers are. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:08 | |
-Why do you have them? -It's just something I always wanted to have, ever since I was a little kid. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
-They're just pets? -Yeah, yeah. I've always loved them. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
-How come you're having to get rid of the animals? -I hurt my back couple of years ago. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
I can't really get in with 'em or do anything with them, so... | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
So he's re-homing them to the best facility in the country. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
'The cargo for this outing would be Curtis's tigers, Madonna and Big Boy, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
'and his leopard, Jade.' | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
Come here, girl. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:36 | |
Come here, sister. Come here, sister. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
The first job - to put them to sleep. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
That's all I needed. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:46 | |
This will be painless. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
There you go! Good night. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
-There you go. -Get her? -Yep. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:57 | |
These are amazing animals and you would think they'd have a value - | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
is there not a big market for fully grown tigers, for private buyers? | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
-There is no market. -No? -None. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
You couldn't sell that tiger today for 100. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
There's too many out there to give away. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
I have 176 of them. HE CHUCKLES | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
'Back at Joe's park, Jade, Madonna and Big Boy | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
'were introduced to their new lodgings.' | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
Hey! | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
There you go. She's still sleepy. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
One, two, three. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
Ooh! Oh! Oh! | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
OK, now, this is what... Ssh! Be quiet. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
Keep him in the shade. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
Finish locking down your cats. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
We are...right here. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
Here's Ardmore, where we just were. Here's Pauls Valley. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
It's estimating in the next hour and a half, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
it's going to be big enough to start producing tornadoes. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Are you nervous? | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
Always nervous. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
We got to do lock-ups. It's getting darker. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
'Before the tornado hit, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
'all the animals would have to be locked indoors.' | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
Come on. Wah! One more... | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
One more time. Wah! | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
Joe, are they chimpanzees? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
Dance! | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
Turn around. Turn round. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
-There we go! -Would you get in there with them? -No. -Why not? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
That's dangerous. That would be stupid, for me to get in with them, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:59 | |
because they... They would hurt me. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
Then they would get a bad name, so we just play through the bars. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
They don't look threatening. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
They'll lure you in, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
and they'll be really, really lovable. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
Until they can get you. And it's a game to them. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
Have you locked these down now? | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
They're cleaning the inside and they're feeding inside and then they'll go in lockdown. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
-For the tornado? -Right. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:25 | |
Are we OK to come in? | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
-Huh? -Is it safe? | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
Get him! Get him! | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
The chimps are secure and in lockdown. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
TIGER GROWLS What? What is that? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
What? Monique's in heat. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
Which one is Monique? | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
-The Tiger. It's actually a ti-liger. -What's a ti-liger? | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
A liger mom and a white tiger dad. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
"So that's my girlfriend, huh?" | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
See, normally, he wouldn't growl at you. Hey! Hey! | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
That's your girlfriend, tell 'em! Hmm? Yep! | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
-Do you like it when they do that to you? -We don't encourage that. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
If he was to get you, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
he would not kill you and eat you right away. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
He's going to torment you. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
So if you were to get in there | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
and I was out here trying to get you out, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
he would be on top of you, covering you up because you're his. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
-I'd just shoot you. It'd be more humane. -You'd shoot me? In the head? | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
Yeah! HE CHUCKLES | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
Cos I'm not going to get you back, so why make you suffer? | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
If I ever got attacked by a lion like that, shoot me, please. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
Yeah. That would go on for hours. Unless you shot the lion. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
That would make more sense - shoot the lion. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Here we go. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
This man across the street from us, he has 200 horses. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
So imagine 200 horses and 176 tigers in the same mass. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
-My money's on the tigers! -THEY CHUCKLE | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
It wouldn't look good! | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
"The National Weather Service in Norman has issued a tornado warning for extreme north-westerly..." | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
-That's us. -"Precautionary preparedness actions - | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
"take cover now. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:42 | |
"Under no circumstances be around wild animals - tigers, lions especially dangerous. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
"And chimpanzees." | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
-'Take cover now. Leave mobile homes and vehicles.' -Wow! -What do you see? | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
A tornado. Just over the gift shop. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
-Approximately eight miles away. -You seem excited! -I am, yeah. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
'The day before, in neighbouring Missouri, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
'a tornado had killed more than 150 people.' | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
GROWLING | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
Hey! | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
Come back this way, cos it's going to blow hard. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
-You want to go in before it gets really bad? -It's totally up to you. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
This is going to blow straight through there. Uh-oh. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
-While! -That's not a good sign. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
I don't see any rotation. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
Here we go! The angels are shining on us! | 0:11:40 | 0:11:47 | |
-Huh? -Right(!) -They are! | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
They're keeping us from getting hurt. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
Look out that-a-way. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
That's just here. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
Got to have faith. Hurry up - it's going to go away, cos you've got faith. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
'But our luck was in. There would be no tigers shot tonight. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
'The next day, and with the extreme weather out of the way, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
'it was time for a tour of the park.' | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
-What's going on here? -You want to sit in and play with them? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
-There's a bear and a... They're kind of cuddling. -They ARE cuddling. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
They're buddies. Come on in. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
Hey! Come here. Come here. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Sit down here. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
How old is she? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
-She's about four months. -Why have you put a tiger in... | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
with a bear? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
This is scary! This is scary! | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
These two may be able to stay together for ever. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
-And then they might not. -Why would you want that? | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
-That would be awesome. -Why? -Because they are two species that get along. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:10 | |
That would just go to show, as a educational tool, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
here at our park, that no matter who we are, we should get along. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
-GROWLING -You OK? -Yeah. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
-Did that hurt? -Not really. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
-Did THAT hurt? -No. No, no, no, it did not. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Mwah! | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Some would say, "Let tigers be tigers. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
-"Let them be true to their tiger nature..." -What is a tiger nature? | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
-To kill? -Kind of, yeah. To kill. Not to be cuddling with a bear. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
-He's in captivity. He will never be a tiger. -What will he be, then? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
A tiger in captivity. HE CHUCKLES | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
NOW that hurts! | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
So, what kind of life is that for a tiger, then? | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
-I mean, do you think they are happy... -Oh, shoot! THAT one hurt! | 0:13:54 | 0:14:00 | |
I... | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
The question was...? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
How happy is a tiger in an enclosure? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
In the wild, they roam for hundreds of miles. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
And it's such a restricted existence, isn't it? | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
Can... Can you miss something you've never experienced? | 0:14:21 | 0:14:26 | |
This cat has never been in an area to roam 200 miles, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
so how can he miss that? It's kind of like... | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
if you were born in a wheelchair, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
are you sure you're going to be happier walking instead of riding? | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
Because you've never walked. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
'Though Joe rescues and re-homes unwanted animals, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
'he also breeds them. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
'The practice is controversial. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
'Animal rights groups have accused Joe of creating more surplus tigers, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
'calling Joe's park a "scam-tuary". | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
'He invited me to meet some of his latest arrivals at his home.' | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
Am I right in thinking you have a fairly newborn tiger in here? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
Mm-hm. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:17 | |
-Called...? -Not named yet. -Not even named yet? How old? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
-Eight days. -Can we meet him? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
I need to ask Paul if he's fed him. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
-If he hasn't been fed, we can feed him. -Who's Paul? -Paul? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
-One of my other half. -One of your...? | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
Other significant others. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
-There's two men in your life? -Yes. -Is that difficult? -No. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
What about jealousy - sexual jealousies - between the three of you. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
Because it never happens without all three of us. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
-Really? -Really. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
-And that works? -Works awesome. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
Cos we're all too tired to have sex. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
This is my youngest. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
-How old? -Eight days. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
What, little baby? What, little buddy? OK. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
So, how old was he when he was taken from his mum? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
-I fed him from the minute he was still wet. -Really? | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
Why breed them? | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
So in 10 to 15 years, when there's none left in the wild, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
we have some in captivity to replace the wild. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
-You think they'll go extinct in the wild? -I know they will. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Would it make more sense to prioritise, er, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
conserving their habitats in the wild, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
rather than reproducing more tigers in captivity? | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
Well, you know, there's people... | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
There's people that are working on that. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
But unfortunately, we have more powers higher than us | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
destroying the habitat. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
-How will you raise this one? -This one will be raised to know us. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
-To know you? -Yes. -You will be that tiger's mum, in effect? | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
Yep, for the rest of its life. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
In a way, are you raising the tiger to be half tiger, half human? | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
To be tame, in other words? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
Well, I'm going to raise him to be a tiger and respect humans. TIGER SQUEALS | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-Why is he...? Is he OK? -Yeah. Every time after they feed, they do that. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
OK, so, we're raising him to respect me, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:19 | |
and I respect him enough that we both can stand there | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
-and teach you about his native land. -His native land is America? | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
Well, his great-great-great-grandfather's land is Siberia. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
Russia. So, we're going to, er, grow up together and teach him | 0:17:34 | 0:17:40 | |
how to respect Russia, even though he's never been there. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
So he is serving an ultimate purpose to do with conservation, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
-in your view? -You bet. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
So in a way, you're making certain practical concessions | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
-for the long-term benefit of its habitat? -Right. Right. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
'But Joe's animal ambassadors do serve another purpose. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
'One of the main ways the park pays for itself through an exotic animals roadshow. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:15 | |
'Joe's breeding programme is needed to provide cubs | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
'for interactions with the public.' | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
-I'm Louis. -Louis, I'm Beth. -You've been here all week - is that right? | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
We started yesterday and we'll be here through Sunday. Set up every day. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
Who goes in these two? | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
This right here is Fergie and this right here, over to your right, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
is the older cats. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:35 | |
-Fergie is one of the... Who's Fergie? -The liger. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
-And the bear? -The bear, she stays on the other side, over there. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
You've been on the road, more or less continuously, since January - is that right? | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
Yeah, for almost a year we've been continuously on and off the road. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
And the animals? They'll be on the road for a couple of months? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
-Yes. -And how do you think they like it? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Some might think, "Oh, it's a bit stressful for them, being trucked around like that." | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
It's not stressful on them at all. They're very content, very happy, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
and they enjoy coming out and getting the attention. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
What's a good day? | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
A good day... A good day on the weekend is probably about 4,000. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
Olivia! Can you look right here? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
Olivia! Not too tight. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
All right, good job! Good job! | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
-So that's how it works? -Yes, that's how it works. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
That's how people can help us out and hopefully they have some memories to share with their family. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:35 | |
That bear seems kind of frisky - he seems to want to run around. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
She's frisky - yes, she is frisky. Little bears ARE frisky. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
They have a lot of energy. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
Do you think they're happy in the cages? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
I don't really want this to go anywhere else about this, OK? | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
As far as... They're... She's... | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
I don't want to say anything else, OK? I just don't want to, OK? | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
But you're saying, "Yes, they are." Isn't that...? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
Well, yes, absolutely. This is the life they know and the life they're going to be very happy with. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
-I'd love to have that bear. -You'd like to have it as a pet? -Yes. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
What about when it grew up? | 0:20:12 | 0:20:13 | |
Well, you know, I like training little animals. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
I've trained dogs - plenty of little dogs and stuff like that. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
-Have you seen a full-size bear up close? -They're large. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
-Large bears. -Rip your head right off. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Maybe. I don't know about that. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
-I want a tiger - one of those little ones. -Yeah. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
I don't know about when it got bigger. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:34 | |
-But having one like that would be cool. -Why? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
-Cos they're like, playful. -And it's different. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Like, everybody has a dog, everybody has a cat, but no-one has a tiger. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
700 miles away from Joe's park in Charlestown, Indiana, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
is another self-styled sanctuary, Animals In Need And In Deed, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
owned and run by Tim Stark. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
Where his animals are concerned, Tim has a hands-on philosophy. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
Are you ready? Huh? Ready? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
TIGER GROWLS Huh? | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
-You want some of this? -D... | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
-I don't know if he's enjoying that, Tim. -He loves it. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
Oh, quit. Oh, quit. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
You know, a lot of people joke around and call me Dr Doolittle. And I take that as... | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
I take that offensive. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
-I tell them I'm Dr Do A Lot, not Dr Doolittle. -Mm. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
-Where are we actually going right now? -Here's the bears. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
These are the four bears I've got. Come here, Obidiah. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
-Come here. -You're... You said you're comfortable getting in with these bears. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
-Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. -Well, shall we see you go in there? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
If you're comfortable doing that - you really don't feel it's a risk? | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
I don't care if I don't come back out of there. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
I know the risk I'm taking. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
-You don't care if you come back out again? -This is what I do. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
If I die doing what I love to do, so be it. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
Hmm. Hi, buddy. Hey, come here. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
-Obadiah, grizzly bear. Come here. -This is Obadiah? -Yes. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
-And this one? -Eli. I discipline him more because he's a troublemaker, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
so I get in here. He's leering at me. You can see him look at me different. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
-How do you discipline him? -Just mainly by voice commands. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
Even, like, if I want to move him... Move it! Come on, move it! | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
And he's automatic. You know, I've taught him that from the time they were little. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
-Do they like it in here, do you think? -Yeah, they seem to like it. -Does the pacing bother you? | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
I've seen animals in the wild step up to a fence or whatever | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
and pace back and forth. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:55 | |
-So, you know... -What about people who say, "These are wild animals. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
"You are going against their intrinsic nature by penning them up. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
"Even in a fairly big enclosure like this, it doesn't approximate | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
-"anything like what a bear would range in in the wild." -They need to understand, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
the main reason that they have that larger territory out in the wild | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
is not because that animal chooses to travel that distance. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
That animal HAS to travel that distance. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
Don't you take pleasure in those things that you could call survival? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
The idea of finding food and making sure you have what you need? | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
Isn't that, in a way, part of what gives you a sense of satisfaction in your life? | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
A perfect example of that is, if you see the bears around your national parks, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:37 | |
or in Alaska and stuff, where they're closer to a human population, where do they go? | 0:23:37 | 0:23:43 | |
They come to the human population. Why? Free food. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
-So you don't think animals really want to be wild? -No. No. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
Their instincts are to survive, but they'd much rather survive | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
by having everything handed to them, you know. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
They're not stupid. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
How you doing, boom baby? I know! | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
This is Tatiana. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
This is Tatiana, my baboon daughter. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
-Tatiana's about three years old? -Yeah. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
-And she's safe for us to be around? -Oh, yeah, come here, baby. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
Get up here and see Daddy. Good girl. You're a good girl. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
I know. I know. You want to play. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
She's my little girl. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
Me and her have a hell of a strong bond. She's unreal. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
I know a lot of people that's had baboons and usually, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
once they get about two years old, nobody messes with them because they are so strong | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
and can be so dangerous. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
She won't hurt you. She's just going to grab you real close. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
-She's going to want you to hold her. She's not a bit aggressive. -OK. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
-You feel her belt? -Yeah. -Just hold onto her belt. -Like that? -Yes. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
And she'll just... That's her belt. That's more or less her harness. TATIANA SQUEALS | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
-She's screaming over the mic. She didn't understand the mic. -The mic is OK. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
Look at this. This is interesting. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
She's wanting to groom you. She's just checking you out. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
It's quite a nice feeling. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
-But there's something about her face that's a little bit off-putting. -Yeah. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
-No. -What shall we do...? -You know what? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-She'll automatically scream when I go to get her back. -OK. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
Everything's fine. She's getting nervous when you get close and that's making me nervous. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
-Why are you making her nervous? -Just for the fact she don't want to... | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
-She wants to stay out. She's getting attention. -Having fun? -She loves the attention. -OK. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
I don't really want to touch your bum that much, is one of the things. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
It's not a... It's not very appealing. Hold onto her belt. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
There's a definite kind of baboon smell coming off her. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
-Do you wash her? -She takes a bath with me. -A real bath? -Yeah. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
-Tata! No. -What do you think Tatiana's quality of life is like? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
A spoiled-rotten brat. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
Tatiana, arms up. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
And so, er, | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
would you not think that a baboon needs to be a baboon? | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
For what purpose? | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
To live out its full function, to be who it really is. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
And who are we as people to say who it really is? Tatiana! Here. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
She's going to start yelling a little. Come here, brat. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
Give him a kiss! Give him kisses. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
Give kisses. Give kisses. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
That was almost a kiss. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:21 | |
Do you think the fact that she's female and I'm male helps, actually? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
-I really don't... -There's a very faint kind of, er, primate... | 0:26:25 | 0:26:31 | |
low-level erotic dimension? | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
I don't know. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:36 | |
'Tim's park is only occasionally open to the public. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
'It is somewhere between a zoo and a private menagerie. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
'And though he calls it a sanctuary, he also breeds - | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
'and many of the animals were bought, not rescued. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
'Though he was once a handyman, Tim no longer does paid work. | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
'His animal habit is supported by his wife, Melissa.' | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
When you met Tim, was this part of Tim's life back then? | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
I knew, deep down, the passion that he had inside but, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
at that time, he didn't have any animals. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
-No. -We got married in '94 and in '97 is when I acquired my first wild cat. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
Now look where I'm at! | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
I'll put myself in a vulnerable state when it comes to walking in a bear cage. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
It's just that... You know, I fear people. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
I have no respect for people. I tell her all the time - | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
I guess marriage is supposed to be based on trust and respect. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
I refuse to trust or respect any single human being on this planet. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
I don't trust myself - why would I want to trust anybody else? | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
-You don't trust and respect your wife? -No. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
'Back outside, Tim had one last surprise in store.' | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
Come here. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
-You said this was against the law! -You wanted interaction with animals - | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
-how's that? -What is our contingency plan at this point? | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
We'll go in here, and we'll just wait. Are you OK? Tim, is that safe? | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
Get in here, it's starting to rain a little too hard. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Is everyone OK? You're comfortable? | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-Which tiger is that? -This is Glacier. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
We should probably have talked this through before you did it, Tim. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:27 | |
If that tiger decides he doesn't want to be on that leash any more, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
there's not much you can do about it. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
Leave it! Leave it! | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
-Is it safe for me to come out there? -As far as to come over here, yeah. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
I've got him under control as best as I can. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
Right now, he's not going to be able to launch. I've got him short-leashed. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
-He's probably quite a bit stronger than you are. -Quite a bit. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
-So in a way, he's got you by the leash more than you've got him by the leash. -Somewhat. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
Leave it. Leave it. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
You know, he's wanting to go and see all the other animals and this and that. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
GLACIER GROWLS | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
Leave it! Leave it! | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
-Do you need help, Tim? -Not a bit. I can handle it. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
You're going to get on the chair, you'll break the chair. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
You know what? Oh, get out of that. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
In a way, do you enjoy my nervousness a little bit? | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
-No. No. -Is it a bit like having a Harley or a big gun or something, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
where there's a thrill in the sheer power? | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
There is somewhat of a thrill of having them, you know, as far as... | 0:29:48 | 0:29:53 | |
You know, you have them... Hey, chill! | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Leave it! Come on. Glacier, come on. Glacier, get up. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
Get up. Glacier! Get up! Hey! | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
Just leave it. Don't worry about them, worry about me. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
Get in there. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
Good boy. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:12 | |
People say all the time, "You're mixing bloodlines," | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
this or that. You know, you never know. I don't know where these tigers come from. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
I have no clue. I don't care. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
When I have a baby tiger born here, you know what it is to me? | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
It's a damn baby tiger. You know, I don't give a damn what they... | 0:30:26 | 0:30:31 | |
-You know, Siberian... -Bengal. -Sumatran, Bengal. It's a damn tiger. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:36 | |
100% tiger, you know. I can guarantee you that. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
'Back at Joe's, there was a new face at the park.' | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
-Ricky. -Can we say hello? I haven't met you properly. -John Ricky. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
-Nice to meet you. -Park manager. -How's it going? -Part-time. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
-Part-time. -You're back? -I'm back. I've still got a few more doctor's visits to go, but I'm back. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
-You've got a health situation? -Yeah, yeah. I'm missing a couple of feet. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
-How did it happen? -I was actually helping some friends of mine | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
test an amusement ride they built, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
and I was actually the last live test and it failed. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
We still have to run it off the chain link. We don't have enough. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
'Among the chores of the day was attending to the two tigers I'd seen rescued.' | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
So the issue is, Madonna and Big Boy won't come into the area together? | 0:31:35 | 0:31:41 | |
-Right. -So you can't clean the cage? -Right. -Why won't they go in together? | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
You know, I don't know. Because, well, they were together when we picked them up. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
Plus, it would help, too, if Curtis would come and visit them. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:55 | |
-Hasn't he been? -He hasn't been yet. -Are they depressed? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
-They're going through it, yeah. -Are they? -Yeah. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
Do you ever have to euthanise animals for depression, or not settling in? | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
Not yet. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
He just doesn't want to know, does he? | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
-Could you feed him a popsicle? -No, he wouldn't eat a popsicle. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
'Joe was getting ready for his annual Exotic Animal Expo.' | 0:32:17 | 0:32:22 | |
-What you doing, Nick? You putting food in? -Yeah. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
You can't. He hasn't washed yet. OK? | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
Set the food on top so he doesn't get it all wet. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
Yeah, it's a little bit tense. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
Like anything you're preparing for last-minute, trying to get the finishing touches. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
-You have not washed your cage yet, right? -No. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
So, why are you putting your dry food in to spray the cage with water? | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
'Owners from around the country were converging at Joe's Park, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
'many with animals in tow, for a weekend of classes and training | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
'in taking better care of their pets.' | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
-What time does it start, Joe? -Nine. -How many people have you got? | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
Er, last night, we had 85 or 90 here last night already. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:06 | |
The rest of them will be checking in this morning. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
-And you'll be teaching - that's the big idea? -That's the idea. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
-What do you teach? -How to do this, how to handle, how to shift. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:17 | |
How to stay alive. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
That's the main goal. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:20 | |
-This is Louis. Louis's from London. -Hi, how are you? We're from the BBC. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
-Oh, hi. -Nice to meet you. -Yeah. -How you doing? | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
-I'm doing good. -You having fun? -Yeah. -Who's your friend? | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
-This is Emily. -Emily? | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
-Emily would be a capuchin? -Yes, she is. -Is she full-grown? | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
-Yes, she's full-grown. -What kind of a relationship do you have? | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
We've got a great relationship. She goes everywhere I go. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
-Hello. -Hi, how are y'all? -Hello. My name's Louis. -Hi. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
-How are you? -What's your name? -Darla. -Darla and...? | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
She doesn't like me to touch somebody else. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Actually, she doesn't like you to touch me! | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
-She has pierced ears? -Yes, she does. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
They're in there - I've had people tell me to take them out. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
She's a big girl. If she wants them out, she'll take them out. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
-They're still in there. -They think they're beautiful. They really... | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
When you tell them they're beautiful, they understand. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
Those ones don't have ears big enough to get pierced. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
No, I don't think that I would do it. They're just so thin. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
You've got little necklaces round them, though. Do you have... | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
-Emily's picture in a frame, there, around your neck? -Yep. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
They're like our family members - we love them, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
we take care of them, and when we got 'em, we expected to do that. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
That's what we planned on, to make the commitment. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
That's what you have to do. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
YAPPING | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
You have to be very careful... | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
..what you ask them out there. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
Cos they're very protective of their monkeys. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
It's all right to say, "What's your monkey's name? Is he your pet?" | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
"How hard is it to take care of?" | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
Any kind of educational questions, you bet. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
But the minute you start, you know... | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
"Well, what do you think about these people not liking you | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
"to have a monkey?" | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
-"Would he rather be in the wild?" -Exactly. Exactly. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
-That's a no-no. -That is a big no-no. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
Of all exotic pets, primates are considered the most challenging. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:31 | |
So, we're talking about seven ounces of monkey chow. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Their intelligence makes them hard to keep stimulated. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:38 | |
They're also liable to become unpredictable and dangerous | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
as they reach sexual maturity, and can live 50, and even 60, years. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
You have to have a shift pen. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
What a shift pen is, you have a slide door of some kind, where you can lock | 0:35:49 | 0:35:55 | |
the animal into another cage, so you can safely clean without ever being | 0:35:55 | 0:36:00 | |
inside with the primate, to protect you, the monkey, | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
and the reputation of private owners. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
You get a lot of baby blankets that have the little silky strip | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
right here on the top, or down the side. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
They'll unravel that and get it caught somewhere, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
and we've lost two monkeys that have hung themselves | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
in the middle of the cages in the first year or so of our park being here. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
Look at him smile! | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
And who's this? | 0:36:28 | 0:36:29 | |
-This is Maddy. -You have a special relationship with Maddy? | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
-I feel like I do. -Yeah. She's a big daddy's girl. -Give me a kiss. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:39 | |
Thank you. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
Can you kiss? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:45 | |
Would you give me a kiss? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
Can you give me a kiss? Hey. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
Thank you. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:53 | |
'The most controversial of all exotic pets is the chimpanzee. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
'In 2009, a chimp called Travis, in suburban Connecticut, attacked | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
'and nearly killed a human neighbour, ripping off her face.' | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
-Hello. -Hi, I'm Louis. -Jill James. -Jill, nice to meet you. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
-Can we come in? -Sure, come on in. -How are you doing? -Good. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
Thanks for having us. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
'Jill and Brad James are among the very few private chimp owners | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
'in North America, with five-year-old Tukem Kerry | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
'and seven-year-old Cooper.' | 0:37:36 | 0:37:37 | |
CLATTERING | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
It's just a game. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:44 | |
Stop it! | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
-Is he spitting...is he spitting at me? -No. -What is the spitting? | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
-It's not friendly, is it? -I don't think so, no. No. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:58 | |
Woah, woah, woah. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
'It was time for another close encounter with a fellow primate. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
'First out of the cage, Tukem Kerry.' | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
Oh, you're already helping me out. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
Do you consider them your pets? How do you view them? | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
They're too human-like to be considered like a dog, or whatever. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:20 | |
I have small children, and to me it seems very like having a tiny, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
hairy, very energetic little child. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
It is, yes. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
-Ooh! -And what do your friends make of it? Do they worry about the safety? | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
Yeah, they do, they do. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
You know, there's been two chimp attacks I know of in... | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
ten years, probably. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
I'm not making light of that - it's bad. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
But do you know how many Rottweilers and dogs tear people up every day? | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
There's relatively few chimpanzees in captivity in America. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
So, proportionately, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
-chimpanzees would represent quite a serious threat in the home. -Yeah. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
But you understand what I'm saying about dogs, too - | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
that they do it daily? | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
-Want another one? Do this. -What do you want? -What do you want? | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
-What do you want? Eat, please. There's a good boy. -What do they eat? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
-They eat Mexican, Chinese, er... -They eat Chinese?! | 0:39:15 | 0:39:20 | |
Yeah, they love hot dip, spicy things. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
They like pork rinds, hot pork rinds. Doritos, love Doritos. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
As he gets older, will you not have to reduce | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
the amount of one-on-one contact, as he gets really strong? | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
I imagine I will. I mean, I'm going to use common sense about it, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
I'm not going to put myself in the position to get hurt, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
and I'll have the equipment in case it gets that way. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
And then I won't go back in if that happens, you know? | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
At the point where he basically has to be confined to his enclosure, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
will you feel bad about that? | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
He can still... He'll still be able to see me. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
We may not be able to hug and love and all that, | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
but it won't be like...just totally abandoning him, you know? | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
-You feel you're in it for the long haul? -Well, I don't know. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
You don't know what'll hit you when you hit 60 or 70 or whatever. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
'At 120 pounds, Jill and Brad's older chimp, Cooper, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
'was not yet fully grown, but he was on the cusp of sexual maturity, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
'and an age that is considered dangerous for a chimp.' | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
If we let him out and we're around him, what could happen? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
Do you think it'll be all right? What do you think? | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
It usually is, but I would rather be safe than sorry, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
so let's do it the safe way. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
-Which is us in the house? -Yeah, let's just see. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
-You're not nervous or anything? -Me? No. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
But if he bites my nose off, you could be in trouble. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:40:45 | 0:40:46 | |
-It does happen! -Cut it out. Show him the bang-bang. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
Show him the bang-bang. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
CHIMP BANGS | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
You better behave. I'm not putting up with no shit out of you. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
You understand? Understand? | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
I don't care. Oh, he wants to eat. He's going to eat. No. No! | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
-Here he comes. -GLASS SHATTERS | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
Oh, shit! | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
Come here. Beep him, Brad. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
-Jill? -Yeah? -Can you come here? -OK. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
We're just thinking this through, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:27 | |
and I think we may have what we need, so... | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
You're afraid of him! That's OK. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
It's the element of the unpredictable that is | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
one of the big downsides of having a chimpanzee as a pet. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
And as he gets stronger, the stakes go up, don't they? | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
Because the accident, if it happens, could be more serious. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
But you see out there with us how gentle he is. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
CHIMP THUMPS AND SCREECHES | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
That's just normal. That's their play thing. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
They do it together, they'll get in the house and do that together. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
You just got a letter back from someone | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
in a donation envelope that you sent? | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
Yeah - "Tomorrow, my husband and I were going to visit your animal park and spend the day. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
"I decided to research your park on the internet tonight | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
"and saw the abuse of the animals documented by PETA." | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
-Did they say "all of the abuse"? -"All of the abuse." | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
"I was shocked and disgusted and told my husband | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
"we would not be visiting your park tomorrow or any time in the future." | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
A newsletter came back in the mail today with that wrote all over it. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
That's from PETA, they've seen something, from the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals? | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
-Right. -So, what do you take from that letter? -What do I take from it? | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
Ignorant people believe anything they fucking read on the internet. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
So your point about the letter is that that's what you're up against? | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
-Yes. -And that's hurting you? -Financially. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
We were expecting a cheque in that envelope! | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
-'Joe was on the brink of a financial crisis.' -Are you out on trees? | 0:43:06 | 0:43:11 | |
Well...well, soak 'em good. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
They're dying. I can't win for losing. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
What's going on in this one? | 0:43:25 | 0:43:26 | |
In this cage, we have one male lion, a female lion and two female tigers. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:31 | |
So out of one cage, we'll get purebred lions, | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
and we'll have two litters of ligers. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
Isn't that fascinating? | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
That in one cage, you can get purebreds and crossbreds? | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
'But closing down was not an option. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
'To explain why, he took me to a special spot in the park.' | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
See, now, this right here, my brother's buried in Texas, | 0:43:57 | 0:44:02 | |
so this is where I respect my brother. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
What does it say? | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
I need a minute. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:16 | |
Couldn't do that one! | 0:44:20 | 0:44:21 | |
It says, "To the best friend that I ever had, our brother." | 0:44:27 | 0:44:33 | |
And I'm going to be buried right here. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:37 | |
And my mum and dad are actually in the process of seeing | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
if they can get his body moved from there to here. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
Because he's so far away that we never get to go see him. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
But that's why we're here. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
Me and Gerald owned a pet store in Arlington, Texas, when he got killed. | 0:44:55 | 0:45:01 | |
And I sold it for 70,000, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
and Mom and Dad got 140,000 from his death. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:11 | |
I took my 70,000 and Mom and Dad took their 140,000 | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
and we put it together and we paid for the property, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
and we built this first row of cages. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
-Do you think if GW saw this place, he'd be proud? -I think he's proud. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
-I know he's proud. -It's been a hard week. -Yep, yep. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:34 | |
With being sick and stressed out over money and everything else, it's... | 0:45:34 | 0:45:39 | |
I normally don't sit out here and bawl! | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
'Despite all his breeding of tiger cubs, | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
'more and more malls were refusing to book Joe's roadshow, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
'under pressure from animal rights groups. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
'I wondered how much longer he could go on.' | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
-So are you worried, Joe? -Oh, we worry the whole time. Non-stop. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:07 | |
But we'll figure it out somehow. We'll make it. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
It feels quite precarious. It feels like you're on a knife edge. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
Well, we've been on the edge since the day | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
we opened this place 11 years ago. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
In a way, you're in the position now of stockpiling tigers. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
They're not so much on display, because most people...they've | 0:46:25 | 0:46:30 | |
-seen one tiger, they don't need to see another 149. -Right. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
Is there any scenario in which you could run out of money, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
or cease to be able to operate this place, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
and many of the big cats would have to be euthanised? | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
I've kicked that idea around, and if I ever went broke... | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
..I think I would euthanise everything, rather than put them | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
in another facility with the same financial stress. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
-Do you really mean that? -Yeah. -1,400 animals? -Yeah. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:04 | |
-I don't think you're being serious. -I don't think you know me very well. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:14 | |
'With my time among America's exotic animals nearing its end, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
'I had one last appointment outside the park.' | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
-I'm Louis. -Hi, Louis, how you doing? -Nice to meet you. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
-Yeah, we got a nice rainy day. -Yes, we do. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
'Connie Casey is a chimpanzee breeder and dealer. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
'She bred Jill and Brad's two chimps. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
'She also bred the infamous Travis. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
'She is landlady to a multitude of primates, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
'including a colony of 20 chimpanzees.' | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
Who's up there? | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
Cobey and Raven and Daisy and Tony and Eric. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:16 | |
-What you thinking, Tony? -Could any of these breed? | 0:48:18 | 0:48:20 | |
They're all intact, they could. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
If you're lucky enough to have a breeding male, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
then it's very fortunate for you. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
In the past, baby chimps have brought in 40,000, you know? | 0:48:30 | 0:48:37 | |
-She really seems to enjoy human contact. -Yeah. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
Many of Connie's chimps were once pets who grew unmanageable. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
Some were entertainers. Now, they live out their days here. | 0:48:55 | 0:49:00 | |
Once you get in here, you'll want to stay to that wall. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
If you fall, don't reach out to the cage to keep yourself from falling. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
Why? | 0:49:08 | 0:49:09 | |
Well, I don't want your fingers to go in the cage | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
and you be missing a finger. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
Hey! | 0:49:13 | 0:49:14 | |
Hey, Eric. Sonny boy! | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
If you stand there too long, he's going to go suck up some water. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
-Suck up some water and spit it? -Yeah. Hey! You want to see? Good boy! | 0:49:20 | 0:49:26 | |
Good boy. Good boy. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
Sheena, stop it. That's my sprinkler system. Hey! | 0:49:31 | 0:49:37 | |
What are you doing? | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
CHIMPS GRUNT AND SCREECH | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
Who's your rowdiest? | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
Er, right now, probably Connor. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
CHIMP RATTLES CAGE | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
And then him. That's Tasha. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
Why have you got screens up? | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
Because she, the little girl, she throws her bedding. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:06 | |
She's the worst thrower. It's worse throwing the bedding. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:10 | |
So if that wasn't there, she'd be throwing stuff at them | 0:50:10 | 0:50:15 | |
all the time, and then eventually they throw it back, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
and so it's like...you know. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:19 | |
-A bedding fight. -What did you think about the whole Travis thing? | 0:50:21 | 0:50:26 | |
Er, the Travis situation was a very unusual and horrible thing to happen. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:34 | |
-He shouldn't have been out of the cage. -You knew him a little bit? | 0:50:34 | 0:50:39 | |
I knew his mom, yeah. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
Yeah. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
Is she here? | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
-Oh, I meant his human mom. -Oh. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
It's OK. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:54 | |
SCREECHING Connor, stop it. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
CAGE RATTLES FURIOUSLY | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
-That's not necessary, is it? -I want you to come out. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
-He's got an intelligent face. -I want you to come out. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
-That didn't hurt or anything. -He wasn't throwing it very hard. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
-It could go worse than that? -Oh, yeah. He can throw it. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
-How do you feel being among the chimps? You enjoy it? -Yeah. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
-Do you think they love you? -The chimps? Oh, yeah. I know they do. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:34 | |
How? | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
Do you think they don't? | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
It's so hard to read what they're thinking. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
It's different when you live with them. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
-But you wouldn't go in there with Connor. -Not anymore I wouldn't. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:52 | |
Maybe because you don't trust him a little bit. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
Yeah. | 0:51:58 | 0:51:59 | |
I was heading back to Joe's park for one last visit. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
-Hi, guys, my name is Bonnie. -And I'm Tim. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
And we're going to be your tour guides tonight. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
'On arrival, I discovered a radical new plan for pulling in visitors.' | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
Our park director, Joe Exotic, | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
has been working with animal ambassadors for over 23 years. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
For over 12 years, | 0:52:35 | 0:52:36 | |
Joe has had a belief that the world started with one tiger, | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
and that was the sabre-tooth tiger some 360 million years ago. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
So, for his own wonder, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
Joe created this large habitat where baby tigers and baby lions | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
could grow up together, knowing each other as adults. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
The question grew, could he take it one step further | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
and try to create a sabre-tooth tiger without any human interference? | 0:52:54 | 0:52:59 | |
Can you imagine how exciting it would be, to see | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
and talk to an animal ambassador that evolved from 360 million | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
years ago, just because of one man's belief? | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
So you're actually breeding a sabre-tooth tiger?! | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
If the male ligers weren't sterile and could breed with the lionesses, | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
that's the closest thing you can get to a sabre-tooth tiger. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
Whose idea was that? | 0:53:20 | 0:53:21 | |
Scientists are trying to do it in test tubes all day long. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
-Joe's actually done this naturally. -This is Joe's idea? | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
What's the idea behind it? | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
You know, it's kind of like the zoos and stuff want it. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
It's kind of like the woolly mammoth, they're trying to | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
remake the woolly mammoth in test tubes and recreate all the past. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:41 | |
-Kind of like Jurassic Park? -Yeah, pretty much. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
Don't you need research scientists and PhDs supervising, | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
that kind of thing? | 0:53:48 | 0:53:49 | |
You know, a PhD's just a document that goes on a wall, you know? | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
It's all been done naturally, here. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
Everybody says the movie's actually come to real life. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
Like a dinosaur could come out of something | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
and devour everyone on the park. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:05 | |
-Yeah. -Could be dangerous. -It could be. Like it's not already dangerous! | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
-So you've got... This is a pretty good turnout. -Not bad. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
We've had better. We've done tours with 54, 55 people. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
-This is just 24, so... -Is this the future? -Is it the future? | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
Yeah, probably. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
This is the first stop of our interactive tour, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
and what we're going to do is actually let you come up, one group | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
at a time, we're going to get your picture with this miniature horse. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:33 | |
As soon as we can get him to calm down a little bit. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
He is only two years old, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
so he does like to throw his little temper tantrums. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
-A kiss, right on the lips! -Give him a kiss. -There we go! | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
Just make sure you're going around him. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
And smile, you're with a tiger! | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
And he's not chewing on your legs. Ha-ha, he jumped! | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
That was a little chuck he was doing for you! | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
# Well, I love you so dearly I love you so clearly | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
# I wake you up in the mornin' so early | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
# Just to tell you I got the wanderin' blues... # | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
Joe also had a new crop of tiger cubs which | 0:55:13 | 0:55:15 | |
he was using for hands-on play with customers. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
My stay at the park was up - for this great ape, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
it was time to leave the zoo. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
I'd come to see America's exotic animals as something | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
between pets and inmates. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
Some of the unwanted ones end up at Joe's, | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
but even he was breeding to make ends meet. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
By breeding and creating these lives, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
you have a responsibility to them for life. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
-Yes. -How can you really track that? | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
Well, because most of them are still here. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
Most of the tigers that are in the back were my very first | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
photo babies. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:08 | |
For a tiger that's born as a baby and stays here for life in one | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
of the cages, you think that's a pretty good life for a tiger? | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
I think they're spoilt. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
They're taken care of. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
-And chimps, too? -Um, yeah. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
If I could pull my photo show off the road tomorrow, I'd do it. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
But I can't. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
Cos somebody has to keep stepping up to the plate and rescuing animals. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:35 | |
I'm called a roadside zoo - yeah, I'm next to a road, and I'm a zoo. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
Big deal! Call me a roadside zoo! | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
But don't call me a scamtuary, | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
because I put my own money into keeping this place open. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
It's all bullshit. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
When you said you would euthanise these animals before giving | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
-the place up, you weren't really serious. -I'm dead serious. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
If that's what they want, before they run me out of business, | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
I'll euthanise every damn animal in this place. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
But if you think it's wrong for them to do it, why would you do it? | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
Because I'm not going to let them do it. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
Are you always like this, or are you under a lot of stress? | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
-No, I'm always like this. -For the last 10 years? -Yeah. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
-I was like this before. -When you were a cop? -Yeah. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:21 | |
-You must have been a pretty weird cop. -I was a weird cop! | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
In the end, the question may be, what kind of life is worth | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
living for a tiger? | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
If not for here, there would be no homes for many of these animals. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
So, for them, the choice is between a small cage, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
and an even smaller box. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
# Here in the small town | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
# The people are funny | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
# They don't like a stranger around | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
# I hate to go, but there's still just one thing | 0:57:51 | 0:57:56 | |
# And catch me hanging around... # | 0:57:56 | 0:58:01 | |
He really doesn't like me. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:02 | |
Perhaps there was someone with glasses who was mean to him once. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
Something about Ray. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:09 | |
He didn't know anything about Ray, he just decided Ray was OK. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
He wanted to be friends with Ray. You know, same with me. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:16 | |
And then there's other people that...he thinks | 0:58:16 | 0:58:18 | |
he just doesn't like. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
MONKEY SQUEALS AND SHRIEKS | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
He's not being aggressive, but he's not being friendly, either. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:28 | |
Kind of like you. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:30 | |
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