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'South Africa, the continent's biggest success story | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
'and one of the most stunning countries in the world.' | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
Just being a tourist, don't judge me. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
I'm way too cool for things like that. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
'But this country has a very dark past. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
'As a black man, I wouldn't have even been allowed to set foot | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
'on this very beach just 20 years ago.' | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
This programme contains some strong language | 0:00:23 | 0:00:30 | |
'For over a century, a white supremacist government | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
'controlled the nation and brutally oppressed black people.' | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
They've got no education, they've only just come down from the trees. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
'This system of racial separation was called apartheid, and was | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
'only abolished in 1994 when Nelson Mandela and the ANC came to power.' | 0:00:45 | 0:00:51 | |
Today marks the dawn of our freedom. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
There has been such extreme levels of segregation here, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
and knowing that that ended only two decades ago, I'm desperate | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
to see how that has changed the lives of people just like me. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
If at all. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
'Poverty is rife here, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
'and today people talk of a new underclass emerging. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
'It's not black people...' That's the way to do it. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
'..but white.' | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
I can't imagine anything worse than waking up in there. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
We are going to take that belongs to us! | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
'With years of hatred to overcome...' | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
'..and both sides still playing the race card...' | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
Most white people learned black people the things they know today. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
'I want to find out what life is like | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
'for the young white South Africans...' | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
Some of them are really racist. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
'..who think they are now bottom of the pile...' | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
It's not a place to live here, not for the children. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
If you are black, you're better off. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
If I was a white guy, that would piss me off! | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
'..and discover whether the nation will ever move on | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
'from its tortured past.' | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
Stupid man! We will never agree! Never! | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
That's why the world is BLEEP up! | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
'Johannesburg, South Africa's biggest city. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
'20 years on from apartheid, some people claim that this country | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
'is still governed by racist policies. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
'Only this time, they say it's white people, not black people, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
'being oppressed.' | 0:02:26 | 0:02:27 | |
What the white experience of Africa is, for me, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
is really, really intriguing. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
Some people believe, since the ANC came into power, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
there's been a flip because all of the opportunities have been afforded | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
to the black people, and the white people are now second class citizens | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
and are being neglected. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
But that can't be the case, surely. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
'On the edge of the city lies a notorious camp called | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
'Coronation Park, a place where some of the | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
'hardest hit white South Africans have made their home.' | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Coronation Park fills me with a little bit of apprehension, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
and that apprehension is based on the way that they may take me, | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
the way they may receive me, and the way they may judge me | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
straight away because I'm a privileged young black man. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
It's made me a little bit more nervous thinking about it. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
'During apartheid, Coronation Park was a picnic place for white | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
'middle class families, but it's become something very different...' | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
This is it. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
'..a permanent home for a white underclass.' | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
It's a camp in the middle of a park. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
They're living in a rough trailer park. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
In the UK you sort of get used to seeing images of young black kids | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
in poverty and I've never seen those same images but with white children. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
I'm really thrown by that, it's... | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
'Outsiders aren't generally welcome. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
'All new arrivals need permission to be here from the camp leader Irene, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
'who's lived here for eight years. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
'She's agreed to let me stay.' | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
To see white people in South Africa barefoot, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
-in a settlement in a park, that's blowing my mind. -Yeah. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
Because that is not what we see, you know, across the pond. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
I mean, we don't see that in Europe. What's the common thread? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
What normally brings people here? | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
I don't know, I think because they've lost everything. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
There's no jobs for the white people. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
That, understand, means I'm not racist, or... | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
There's no jobs for our white people. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
You're one pay cheque away from this place, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
cos something can happen to you and you will end up here. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
DOG BARKS | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
The settlement sort of stretches all the way down. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Can we have a little look? D'you mind taking me around? | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
Yeah, sure, I will take you around and you can take... | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
Coronation Park, it's like a white squat again. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
It's like, you can stay here and we will look after you. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
Do they build their own shacks? Do they have to pay to be here? | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
-No, they don't pay to be here. -That's literally a shed. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
-Does someone live in this? -In the back of it, yeah. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
Wow. How many people are there in Coronation Park? | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Er, 287. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
-Hello! -Hello. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
We are running on generators, we haven't got power yet. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
'With no proper sanitation | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
'and dozens of stray animals roaming around, health is a real concern. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
'The government has repeatedly tried to shut the camp down, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
'and people are forced to do whatever they can to survive.' | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
So, I found out that these donkeys, which are boilers, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
they fill it with water, they heat it underneath it or whatever, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
and then it feeds hot water into the... | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
..into the house. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
Which is kind of genius, really. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
'The camp is expanding as new people arrive all the time.' | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
-How you doing, I'm Reggie. What's your name? -JD. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
'27-year-old artist JD turned up last month with his mum, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
'two kids and pregnant wife.' | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
That's absolutely beautiful. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
That's what I do, I travel the whole country painting | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
-and drawing all over the place. -So where have you come from? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Originally from Cape Town. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
How have you ended up here in Coronation Park? | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
I've been hit by life, you know? | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Hit to my knees. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
You know, it's difficult for white folks these days, it really is. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
We don't have the ball in our court anymore, and we are not | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
the chosen ones, if you want to put it that way, and it's the truth. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:47 | |
'Most white South Africans are descended from Dutch settlers | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
'and called Afrikaans.' | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
'During apartheid, they saw themselves as a superior race...' | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
We cannot mix with the lower nations unless | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
they are cultivated and educated and so on. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
'..given the best houses, jobs and education, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
'creating a super-wealthy white elite.' | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
The policy of white supremacy ultimately means | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
the denial of all civil and human rights | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
to the Africans in the white areas. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
'In 1990, everything changed. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
'The leader of the black resistance, Nelson Mandela, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
'was released from prison.' | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
I cherish the ideal of a new South Africa | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
where all South Africans are equal. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
'By '94, the ANC won the first free elections | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
'the country had ever seen.' | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
The people of South Africa have spoken in this election. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
They want change, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
and change is what they will get. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
'And white Afrikaners lost their privileged position.' | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
'While over 50% of privately held assets here | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
'are still owned by the white minority... | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
'..Afrikaner charities believe a new underclass has formed. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
'Estimates vary wildly, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:13 | |
'but these charities claim up to 400,000 white people | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
'may have fallen below the poverty line, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
'with many living in settlements just like this one.' | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
-Where shall I put my tent? Where's a good place to pitch up? -There. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
What d'you mean "there?!" I'm not going to put it on that ash! | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-Will you guys help me put up my tent? -Yeah. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
Come on, then, what are we doing? There we go. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
All right, let's peg this up. I've only stayed in a tent once before. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
And, erm, while I was making it | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
I wasn't getting whipped in the arse by some kid called Winston! | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
-When d'you do this? -Look, look, look! Hey! -Jesus Christ! | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
'Nearly a third of all the people living here are under 16. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
'I'm not sure how the future looks for teenagers like Winston.' | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
D'you think you'll always live here? | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
Do you want to move out of here? | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
Why? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
Really? So, if you do move out of here | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
and people ask you where you grew up, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
when you're older, when you're my age, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
are you going to say Coronation Park? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
Are you going to look after me | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
and give me some sandwiches and tea before bed? | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
Can I help out? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
'After dark, more young people flood into the camp. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
'As well as child benefits, many residents survive on handouts, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
'including hot drinks and sandwiches given out three nights a week.' | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
You ask them how much coffee they want. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Coffee or tea? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
How you been, man? You had a good day? What you been doing? | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
Drinking today? | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
Hey, evening! | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
I didn't think about what the rain would do here. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
'Unemployment here is very high. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
'One person who does have a steady job is Irene's son, Harry. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
'He works as a welder.' | 0:10:39 | 0:10:40 | |
-Hey, Harry! -Hey, how are you? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
I'm good, thank you, man. I've not met you before, I'm Reggie, hello. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
-I'm Ursula. -Hello, lovely to meet you. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
-Is that your wedding pictures I can see? -Yeah. -Scrub up well, don't he? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
-Yeah. -He looks good in a suit. Flowers from the wedding day? -Yeah. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
-You've still got them. -I don't want to throw them away! -Yeah, right! | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
How did you and your husband meet? What was his chat-up line? | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
-I can't remember! -Yes, you can! Come on, you know what he said. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
-What did he say to you? -He wanted to come drink coffee. -It was coffee? | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
-Yeah. -Smooth operator. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
'Despite Harry working, his wage isn't enough to cover | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
'rent for a proper house for his wife and three kids.' | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Just how difficult is it to raise a small child in a place like this? | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
It is difficult because the generator is on, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
but when you sleep at night and he wakes up, the generator isn't on, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
then you must struggle to get light and whatsoever. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
And there isn't always hot water | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
because you must make fire to get hot water. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
So, yeah, that's a problem. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
Do you worry about, erm, how healthy a situation it is for him, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
because I imagine it's probably quite easy for him to get ill? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
This place is dirty, you know. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
-We've got the sewerage drain, er, right behind the wall here. -Mm. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
When it's full, it comes out and that, that smell stays here, | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
-it makes us sick... -Yeah. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
..quickly, especially with the small one and Xander, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
they get sick fast, you know? | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
It's not a place to live here, not for the children. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
Can't live here anymore. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:13 | |
I tried my best from the start. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
I was working since I was 16, you know? | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
Erm, and from then, I just tried, you know, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
build up my education and try to be what I am. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
You look quite emotional. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:32 | |
Oh, yes, when it come to my kids and my wife, yeah. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
What is it about your family that makes you so emotional? | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
Er, I think it's because, er, I know I try hard, you know? | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
Er, maybe I don't try hard enough. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
I don't know, but to see them suffer like this, it, it makes me... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
Do you think your children are suffering? | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
Erm, well, they don't have the life, what I want for them, | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
you know, and I think that, for them, is suffering, you know? | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
The harsh reality of being at the bottom of the ladder out here | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
is that that can happen to you. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
This is it for them. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
It'll kind of keep you awake, won't it? | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
REGGIE SIGHS | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
-Wake up! -Wake up! -Oh, God! | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
-Wake up. -Wake up. -What's wrong with you lot? | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
Come out! | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
-And do what? -We'll play cricket. -Play cricket?! | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
You don't need your fingers! | 0:13:55 | 0:13:56 | |
Ah, come on, bro! | 0:13:56 | 0:13:57 | |
That's the way to do it. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
You're going to go home smelling like smoke... | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
I can live with that so long as I'm warm. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
What was your first night like here? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
Terrible, cos it felt like there's | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
a bunch of serial killers standing around. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
I'm really glad I asked you this question after my first night. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
'Sleeping here as a grown man is one thing, but in a few months, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
'JD will have a newborn baby to share his tent with.' | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
How does it feel knowing that your newborn will be brought here? | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
Talking to Irene and them, they all know about the baby coming. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
And I know, in my heart, it will be OK, cos they're going to help us. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:46 | |
They will help us. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
I've heard about it recently, I've read in the papers that the | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
people around here might qualify for government housing. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
-But... -Why wouldn't you, though? If ever there was anybody | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
that needed help, particularly with a baby on the way, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
I'd have thought that you'd be... | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
-You'd be perfect for it. -To me, government housing is a dream. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:08 | |
I don't quite, erm...I don't... | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
I don't see myself qualifying for a government house. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
'Over two million people are waiting for social housing in South Africa, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
'so it's no surprise that JD doubts his chances of getting one. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
'The wider situation is even more complicated, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
'as race still plays a part in some opportunities here. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
'I've come to the centre of Joburg to meet an old mate of mine, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
'celebrity DJ Sizwe, to get a different perspective. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
'What's happening now for young black South Africans?' | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
-Oh, Reg, what's up? -How you doing? -It's been years! | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
I'm well, thanks, how's it going with you? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
I'm really good, man, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:49 | |
I'm glad to be in your neck of the woods, as it were. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
-OK, let's go to where you know. -Take you where the girls are. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
You're desperately trying to get me in trouble with my girlfriend. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
It's a good start, you know? | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
'Sizwe is what's known here as a "black diamond", | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
'a young black guy with a very healthy bank balance.' | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
-Would people refer to you as a "black diamond"? -I guess some people would. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
I'm a diamond in the rough. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
I need some polishing! | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
'But people like Sizwe are relatively rare. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
'Most of the wealth here is still in the hands of the old white masters, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
'and they live in lavish gated communities.' | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
-Is this one property? -Yeah. The houses, they're just obscene. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
There's a huge gap in SA between those that have and those that don't. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
Is that why the walls are so high and security's...? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
That's why the walls are so high. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
-Look, this is barbed wire, there's gates... -Yeah, electronic fences. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
'To try to re-balance wealth and opportunity, the government | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
'has brought in a policy called affirmative action, AA for short.' | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
'It's already transformed areas like the courtroom, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
'where over 60% of the most senior judges are now black.' | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
'And the dream is to repeat that across all walks of life.' | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
In SA, if you are black, you're better off. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
-Right now. -Well, why's that? Because it wasn't the case 20 years ago. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
Just cos of everything, man, like, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
the odds are stacked in your favour now. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:13 | |
Affirmative action... | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
If I applied for a job, right, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
and a guy my age, same education as me, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
applied for the same position, er, but he was white, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
I'd get the job, hands down. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:26 | |
I mean, if I was a white guy, that would piss me off! | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
But you've got to look at it this way, right? | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
I always use a sports analogy. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
If there's been a soccer game going on, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
but for the first 45 minutes they've just been cheating, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
and then you get to half-time and the score's like, 45-0, right? | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
And then in half-time, they go, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
"OK, wait, wait, we realise we've been cheating, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
"we're going to get a fair ref now." | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
-But they keep the score at 45-0, it's still an unfair game, right? -Right. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
So what you need to do is maybe, er, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
nullify the score or give the other team 45 as well. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
But does that make it OK? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
It doesn't make it OK, but it makes it understandable. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
There's Joe's. Let's eat. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
Thank you, brother, you all right? | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
Talking to Sizwe in the car, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:16 | |
you know, one of the things that kept coming up | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
was the swing of power, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
and the white people feeling marginalised | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
and feeling that they don't get the opportunities anymore. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
Reverse racism, I guess. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
It's a very different time now, and if you're black you will get | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
opportunities in a way that you never used to. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
'I've grown up thinking equality is about treating everyone the same. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
'But here, things are different. Without extra help, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
'Sizwe and his friends might have been left behind for years to come.' | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
'In Coronation Park, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
'handouts from charity have become part of everyday life. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
'The parents have pulled together to run a nursery. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
Most of the toys and equipment are donations.' | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
Hello, guys. What are you doing? What's all this about? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
Well, we're representatives from our group on campus | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
at the University of Pretoria, called AfriForum Youth. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
Bringing some food, some toys... | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
-Toothpaste. -And lots of toothpaste. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
It's a bunch of the stuff that people take for granted, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
but these people, they don't have it, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
they don't have the opportunities, they don't have the money to buy it. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
Yeah. Thank you. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Hello! | 0:19:29 | 0:19:30 | |
'AfriForum is a right wing political pressure group | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
'fighting for white rights.' | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
Why d'you think there's more and more people | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
struggling in South Africa? White people specifically. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
Er, the government has started implementing some policies to, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
what they call, adjust the wrongs done in the past. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
And they see as the past, er, black people were poor | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
and white people were rich, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
so now they're helping only the black people instead of the white people. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
All of two minutes and everything has pretty much gone. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
It shows you these people can't even afford | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
the most basic stuff, that we take for granted. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
So you believe the white people are essentially discriminated against? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
For me, personally, I would say so, yes. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
Would you put it down to something as simple as reverse racism? | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
It is, it is. It is just reverse from what happened in the past. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
It's definitely a struggle for young white people in South Africa, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
but in terms of the history for black people in South Africa... | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
-Yes, yes, mm... -..it's just not that easy to move on. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
We're not talking about the past. We're talking about today. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
I mean, this is real. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
This is seriously real, this is what's happening now. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
And we need to address that. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
It's no longer about black and white in this country. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
There's poor people from each racial group, there's a lot of them. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
We've passed that. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
'If I was white, I'd want to move on from my dark history too, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
'but white South Africans weren't the ones being brutally oppressed.' | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
'Until the '90s, on these very streets, the ruling whites, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
'or Boers, treated black people as little better than animals.' | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
I don't like apartheid because in apartheid Europeans go up | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
and Africans go down. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
'They were forcibly removed from their homes to live together | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
'in massive ring-fenced compounds, which later grew into townships.' | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
-I don't like it. -Why do you live there, then? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
Because they said we have to. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
'Made to work the most menial jobs, denied a vote, basic rights, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:35 | |
'or even the opportunity to walk the streets freely.' | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
All movements of the black man are controlled, the white man need | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
not carry his card, but if the black man does not, he is arrested. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
'Everything was ruthlessly enforced by the white regime.' | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
'I want to find out what it was like | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
'living under white rule on these streets.' | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
'So I've come to meet 28-year-old Colin. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
'He grew up in Alexandria, a township still full of black people, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
'many living in poverty.' | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
As a kid, you were actually, I guess, old enough at seven or eight | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
-to remember... -Between that age, yes. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
Yeah, to remember some of the things that happened during apartheid. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
What sticks out in your mind during that era? | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
I remember when we called them the "mellow yellow vans", | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
it was the police state vans. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
Immediately, you'd see that yellow van, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
you knew you had to run to save your life | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
because you never knew what would be predicted | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
from the police or the state police. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Cos at times they would just literally stop to beat you up | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
or not want you to congregate in the streets in groups. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
And even today, you know, police are not the most likeable | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
people in the townships, for that matter. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
People see the police van, they see their enemy. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
In the mind of somebody like myself from the UK, when we think | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
of segregation, the first thing that comes to mind is the US in the '60s | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
and the struggles of black people in America. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
-But this was going on in the '90s! -In the '90s, yes, I mean... | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
It's so hard to get your head around, that's unbelievable. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
I mean, the last time it happened, it is 1994, which sounds like yesterday. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
'Black people who broke the apartheid laws were sent to | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
'prisons like this one, called the Old Fort. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
'Nelson Mandela was incarcerated here whilst awaiting trial.' | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
The only time you'd find white wardens in this section, it is | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
when they came to render humiliation towards the black prisoners. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
They would perform a strip search dance called the "tausa dance". | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Strip search dance? What was the dance? | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
The dance stipulated you strip naked, you spread your legs, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
you spread your arms, clap the hands above the head, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
leap in the air making a clicking sound, stretch your legs, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
and if no objects had fallen down, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
then the authorities would go to the extent of inserting a finger | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
or a torch inside their rectums to see if there's nothing hidden. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
-A torch? -A torch. -Men and women? | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
Men and women, yes. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
Wow. | 0:23:58 | 0:23:59 | |
'The most severe punishments were reserved for those who fought | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
'to change the system. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
'These freedom fighters were kept in solitary confinement | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
'as a warning to others.' | 0:24:10 | 0:24:11 | |
Political leaders were sent here. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
It was the most severe form of punishment. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Lying down flat on the ground, you feel like lying down in a grave. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
So there weren't beds in here, there weren't desks, there weren't chairs? | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
There were no beds, no chairs. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
They were locked up here for 23 hours | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
and only released for an hour of the day. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
I guess this was where prisoners were chained to. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
'It's amazing to think South Africa has gone from official government | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
'brutality towards black people to affirmative action, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
'from just my parents' generation to mine. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
There's been so much injustice here that the anger is still so fresh, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:58 | |
and just putting my mum's face | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
to this environment makes me angry, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
and that's just imagining it. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
Not living it. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
On face value, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
it's bang out of order that white people aren't being given | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
the same opportunities as black people, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
but when you think about how long it's been weighed in the favour | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
of the minority, you can understand why it's been put in place. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
I'm not saying that I agree with it, but what I'm saying is, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
I get why so many people are still angry | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
and why they think that it is imperative that it's in place. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
'Although black and white South Africans now enjoy | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
'all the same freedoms, Statistics South Africa claims that | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
'nearly 16 million black people still live in poverty here. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
'On that level, extra help for them makes sense.' | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
I'm holding the bat the right way, it's a good start. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
'But I'm not sure where that leaves the squatters in Coronation Park. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
'I can't help wondering what people like Irene make of it, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
'after being part of the privileged minority for years.' | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
Do you think that it's fair? Do you think it's right? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
-I think, yeah. You know what? -You think it's fair? | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
You know what? That's what I said, and I said it today, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
if our fathers and our fathers and fathers | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
and fathers treated black people like normal people, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
and didn't, erm, let them work like slaves | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
and treat them like dogs, maybe it would be different today. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
That's the way, it's life. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
Cos it's time now for us to pay for what our fathers did. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
And there's nothing you can do about that. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
'Irene strikes me as being resigned to her fate. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
But her son Harry is desperate to get his family out of here.' | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
Your mum said that she thinks it's almost a little bit | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
like a balance now, it's almost more fair for the black people. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
Do you agree with that or disagree? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
I think that's bullshit. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:02 | |
20 years ago, I still had fuck all, so now I've got nothing, now they, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
they think it's balanced out. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
What happened years ago with the black people | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
and the white people was nothing to do with me. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
I wasn't there, I didn't fight the battles | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
with the white people and the black people. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
So you're saying your generation have done nothing to deserve this? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
-Is that how you feel? -Yeah, that's how I feel. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
Most white people learned black people the things they know today, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
especially in my company. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
And at the end, they walk out, get a better job with my knowledge, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
and we sit in the shadow where we are today. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
They feel marginalised, they feel that they're still suffering from... | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
the people that, that caused the apartheid, you know? | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
The time when it was like the Boer, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
when they called themselves Boer, had the country in their hands, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:52 | |
there was more food in our country, more job opportunities... | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
That was also the apartheid, though, right? When the Boer were in charge. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
Yeah, but they still, still the black people had jobs, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
-and they were still... -They had no rights, though. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
Yeah, they didn't have rights, but even the white people, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
what rights do we have? | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
-But then, at that time, it wasn't anything like now. -Yeah, it wasn't. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
I can't say because I wasn't there. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
It feels the same way, the way that they have, er, er, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
had by the time that we're apartheid or whatsoever. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
OK, well, we'll agree to disagree on that one, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
cos I think that it's a very different situation. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
But how? It's a black government, it's a black country. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
They don't want white people here, that's what I think. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
'Some of the stuff that he said made my blood boil. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
'I don't agree with his views, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
'but he wants a better life for his son | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
'and he feels that the way things are, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
'that's just not going to happen.' | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
Being in this, and this being your world in its entirety, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
I understand why you might feel that way. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
'It may sit uncomfortably, but at least part of the reason | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
'Harry is stuck here could be because of affirmative action. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
'And if it continues, I worry that Coronation Park could keep growing, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
'creating more race resentment for young people in South Africa.' | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
Mad how different this place is in the dark, isn't it? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
I just think it's a bit more intimidating. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
Cos you just don't know... | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
where you are, what's around... | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
and, erm, what you're walking into, you know. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
Definitely is a different vibe here. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
-Hey, guys. -Hi-aye! | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
What are you attending to? | 0:29:35 | 0:29:36 | |
For the true camp experience you have to sit on the stump. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
There's a very dangerous spider around. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
If he calls, you call it a suck spinacle. That thing can kill you. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
Why are you saying that before I sit down on the stump? | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
I don't want a suck spinacle getting in my bum! | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
With the way things are set up here, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
there are so many hurdles for you to get back to where you were. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
There are things in the way that aren't your fault. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
And that just makes me angry. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
I can't really say it's not my fault. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
I ended up here for a reason. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:07 | |
Nobody comes in here just because the country's screwed up. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
Nobody comes in here like that. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
They come in here because THEY screwed up. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
You can't blame everything on the system. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
That's the first time I've heard ownership since I've been here. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
LAUGHING: Ownership. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
It's the first time I've heard ownership. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
Even a rich guy can find himself here... | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
in two weeks. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:34 | |
Ask me. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
I've lost everything. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
I lived the dream. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
I was a rock star. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
In my head, I still am. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
I used to sign... | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
..boobs for a living, you know? | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
And I had a selfish life, but I lived the dream. I did. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
And everything, it went wrong. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
I had it and I lost it in a couple of days. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
'Just a few years ago, JD was living in his own house with a pool, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
'but since his music career ended, | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
'he struggled to find his feet in modern South Africa, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
'and has been moving with his mum from place to place. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
'This camp is full of people who've left their homes | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
'but don't know where they'll end up. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
'Coronation Park isn't the only place | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
'that poor whites are squatting. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
'Local newspapers report there are now over 80 camps | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
'dotted around Pretoria. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
'This was once the spiritual homeland of the Afrikaner Nation, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
'but, in modern South Africa, the idea of a nation | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
'where white people are in charge clearly has no future.' | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
It's not like a block of flats in its most traditional sense. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
But it definitely looks run down. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
There seems to be both black and white here as well. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
'This settlement is an abandoned care home. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
'As well as the poor Afrikaners, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:13 | |
'it's home to lots of recent black immigrants | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
'from all over the continent.' | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
'Black or white, this place really does feel like the end of the line.' | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
Hello? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:42 | |
-Hi. -Hi. Can I come in and talk to you guys? Is that OK? -Sure. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
-How's it going, man? I'm Reggie. -How's it? I'm Hardus. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
-Hello, nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:57 | |
-Hello. Can we come in? -Yeah, come in. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
-Is that all right? Hello. -Hi. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
-I'm Reggie. -Vivienne. -Nice to meet you, Vivienne. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
Is this your little one? | 0:33:04 | 0:33:05 | |
-Is that your youngster? -Yeah. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
This is my first one, this is my second one. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
Wow. Congratulations. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
-So is this your family in here, yeah? -Yeah. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
-How old are you guys? -I'm 20 and he's 25. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
How long have you guys lived here? | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
We've lived here for basically four years now. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
Who else lives in here, cos there's doors all | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
the way down the corridor, and they're all sealed? | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
It's only whites. There's no black in these rooms. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
There's three or four other buildings here. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
-Do the blacks keep to themselves? -Most of the time. -Yeah. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
Why do you think that is? | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
Some of them are very racist. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
And inside here, they're also very racist. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
-Yeah. -Most of the people, if they do know you, and they do have | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
respect for you, they actually just intentionally leave you alone. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
You leave them alone and they leave you alone. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
The only other place where I've heard someone | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
speak like that is prison. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:54 | |
That's the only other place where I've heard people speak | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
about looking after yourself. Is that how you see it? | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
That's how it works here. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
I'd love to see the rest of this building. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
-Is it possible for you to show me around? Can I see some more? -Yep. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
-It's a bit dark down here. -Yeah, no kidding. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
My grandmother's staying here. Vivienne's grandmother, actually. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
-Wow, so it's the whole family... -Yeah, well, it's the... | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
Your little one's just here. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:16 | |
It's the grandmother and Vivienne's mother that actually got us here. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
What's this through here? Is this shared? | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
Everything's shared, but unfortunately, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:25 | |
not everything works either. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
The toilets, they're permanently blocked. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
These tubs, they don't work at all. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
They've got water, but only cold water. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
Showers. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
Look at that. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
Needles, drugs. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
So, that's everywhere now? | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
Yeah, too many drug dealers moved in, too many junkies moved in. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
We all know that it's not safe for the kids. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
'Crime is rife here. But that's not the only danger.' | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
These buildings are so old. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
If these roofs catch fire, it's over, it's done. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
'Two months ago, a resident built a fire in their room to keep warm. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
'Unfortunately, it got out of control | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
'and tore through an entire building.' | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
This is awful. Do people actually live in here, still? | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
People still actually live here. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
There's at least a roof over their heads. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
I can't imagine anything worse than waking up in there. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
I think in, what, 20 minutes, it was the whole wing. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
This is the hardest I think I've seen it in South Africa. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:35 | |
What's the future look like for your little girl, then? | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
In South Africa, I wouldn't say too good. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
'Neither Hardus nor Vivienne have a legitimate job. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
'To get by, they run an unlicensed shop out of their window.' | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
It's difficult for us to get work in South Africa, especially me. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
When I just moved into Pretoria in 2010, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
I had 60 CVs that I actually gave out, resumes that I gave out | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
to places, and it's difficult to find work in South Africa. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Not even one says, "I'm going to call you back." | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
-Nothing. -Why do you think it's so hard? | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
Working places are racist as well. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
Not racist. You need more black employment than whites. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
It's how they work. If your skin colour is not correct, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
unfortunately, you're not going to get it. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
'With no job, the family lives hand to mouth, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
'so tonight's dinner depends on the little money the shop makes... | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
'..which, today, was nothing.' | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
Unfortunately, there's no money to buy anything tonight, but I've still | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
got some macaroni left and soup, so that's what we'll be eating tonight. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
Macaroni and soup. That's what you have here, yeah? | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
That's what I have here for now. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
I don't want to seem judgemental or anything, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
but it almost feels like this isn't... | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
This isn't a life. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
'Like anyone, I find it hard to witness poverty, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
'but here in South Africa, it is very common. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
'Their Institute Of Race Relations claims a staggering 45% | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
'of black South African's also live below the breadline. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
'But that doesn't make the plight of poor whites any easier to stomach.' | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
I can hear some music playing. Who's playing that music? | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
-All the rich people. -What? | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
Do the rich guys come round here, park up their cars, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
-play music and hang out? -Yeah. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
When I was like these people, I was exactly the same way. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
Can you believe it's two different worlds? | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
Can you believe it? | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
-Can I be completely honest with you? -Yes. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
When you spoke about rich people, in my head, I had white people. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
-Yeah, not at all, eh? -They're all black guys. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
They're all black guys. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
Look, most of them are young people. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
So...they're getting what they deserve now. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
Fairness. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
-Is this fair? -Their mums and dads wasn't treated this way. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
They wouldn't have been allowed to come here, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
so them enjoying their freedom, there's nothing wrong with that. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:19 | |
You should go and ask THEM what they think about Coronation Park, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
-and you'll get your answer. -I'm going to do that now. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
LOUD URBAN MUSIC PLAYS | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
Hello, guys, how you doing? | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
Brother, hello. Where have you guys come from tonight? | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
-Soweto? -Yes. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
-So you guys are from the township? -Yes. -Nice. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
-And you come out here to enjoy yourselves for the night. -Yes. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
'South Africa has come a long way. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
'Some middle class black people live in Soweto now, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
'with cars, jobs and money. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
'And whilst it's strange to think this party | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
'wouldn't have even been allowed 20 years ago, | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
'it's even stranger that it IS happening | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
'right next to the tents and shacks | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
'of hundreds of impoverished Afrikaners.' | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
There's a group of people living just over there. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
Permanently staying, living there or what? | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
You didn't know that they were there? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
No, I didn't know anything, because this is a park. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
-I'm living in that camp tonight. -You won't get white people here. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
-Understand? -You won't get white people living in the park? | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
-You won't. -Well, I'm staying there tonight and there's a lot. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:26 | |
-OK. -There's over 100. -White people aren't living there. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
-They are three days, then they are going home. -No, eight years. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
No, you're lying. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
You don't believe there could be that many white people | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
-living that way over there? Why not? -I don't believe. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
-Why not? -I'm telling you straight. You're lying. -No. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
I came over this hill expecting, sort of, arrogant, rich white kids. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:50 | |
It was quite the opposite. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
'White families still earn six times more than black ones on average, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
'so I can understand the stereotypes. I hold them too. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
But if black people can't even accept white poverty, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
I can't see a way out for JD and Hardus. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
Johannesburg isn't totally divided. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
Throughout the city, there are pockets of integration, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
like here at Neighbourgoods Market, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
where being black or white simply isn't an issue. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
Are you guys actually a couple? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
Yeah, we are. Getting married in a couple of weeks. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
Congratulations! Wow. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
I want to be honest with you. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
This is the last thing I expected to see here, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
because of my experience of what South Africa is. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
Couples like us are few and far between. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
There's some challenges that come with it in South Africa. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
There's a lot of people who look at you | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
and think "Why are you with this person?" | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
There are cultural challenges involved. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
I'm hopeful that things are going to change. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
You know, just look around here. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:52 | |
The only way you can evolve is by having people mix, | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
by having people be together. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
The worst part of apartheid was physically separating people, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
because people live in different areas. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
So we're lucky, because we live in an affluent area, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
so we are exposed to different cultures, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
and people have embraced it. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
I mean, are you aware of a place called Coronation Park? | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
-Have you heard of this place? -Yeah. -They feel marginalised. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
They feel that as the working class, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
they are a direct result of AA, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
as it gets in the way of them | 0:41:23 | 0:41:24 | |
finding the work that they believe they deserve. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
You know, some white people struggling right now | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
is a normal part of any country. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
If you go to Europe, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:31 | |
countries have as many white people as black people that are unemployed. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:36 | |
Maybe not exactly, but everybody faces the same economic conditions. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
I think that's a fair state to be in as a country. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
'Meeting these two has been refreshing, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
'as their outlook for South Africa is positive. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
'Hopefully, it'll become the norm. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
'I'm on my way back to see Hardus. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
'I'm surprised to hear he's been given a last-minute job interview. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
'It could be good news, but I'm finding it hard to be positive.' | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
I see these kids walking around barefoot | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
and I see used needles in the gutter and drug dealers hanging out, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
seconds from his open doorway. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
It just really gets you down. It just makes you think "Jesus". | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
That's interesting. There are police. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
Ah, lots of police. I'm going to find out what's going on. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
-Excuse me, officer. -It's inside that building. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
Did something happen in that building? | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
I don't know if something's happened, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
-but all the people are inside there. -OK. Thank you. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
Something's going on. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
-Hey, Hardus. -What's up? | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
-You all right? -Yeah. -What's happening? | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
-They're busy doing a raid. -For drug dealers? -Drugs, cigarettes. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
If you've got a shop, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:08 | |
if they find any cigarettes on you, they're going to confiscate it. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
What about you guys? | 0:43:12 | 0:43:13 | |
Well, luckily, I'm a smoker, so I'm just going to say I smoke. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
Vivian, I noticed that your shop sign's come down. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
If they'd seen the sign, what would have happened? | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
They would search the room. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
If they find anything, they would open it up, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
or they would give me a fine. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
'Vivian and Hardus have been lucky. But escaping arrest | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
'isn't how I would choose to prepare for a job interview.' | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
-It's going to look like the rainbow nation today. -Why? -Blue shoes... | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
Crazy colours. Do you not have any blacks and whites? There we go. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:45 | |
That'll work. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:46 | |
No matter where you are in the world, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
there's wives still dressing their husbands. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
Bye-bye, Sienna! | 0:43:53 | 0:43:54 | |
'Hardus is interviewing for a door-to-door sales job'. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
Looking sharp. Look at you! | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
Let's go and do this. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:02 | |
'It's a massive opportunity that doesn't come around very often.' | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
I applied for this job two years ago. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
-Wow. -Two years ago, and they finally invited me. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
This is a good 30-minute drive from your place. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
-How are you going to get here, should you get the job? -Walk. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
It's going to be a long walk, isn't it? | 0:44:18 | 0:44:22 | |
-I get those nerves. -You'll be fine. You'll be fine. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:27 | |
So what's the situation with AA? | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
I'm hoping that there's no such thing in this opportunity. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
Even if there is, I'm still hoping | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
that I convince them to give me a chance. | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
This is the first time I've seen him | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
appear unsure about something, you know? | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
In any scenario, you'd sort of understand, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
but in this one, there's so much more on your shoulders. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
It's not just someone trying to get a job | 0:44:52 | 0:44:54 | |
to earn some money to pay for their satellite subscription. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
I really hope Hardus can get his dream job, | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
but competition is tough. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
This is just the first of three interviews | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
he will have to face to stand a chance. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
Even if he does succeed, his ultimate goal | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
is not just to leave his home, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
but to take his family out of South Africa. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
Like many Afrikaners I've spoken to, he's fearful for the future. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
I've come to a rally for a popular movement called EFF | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
that's taken South Africa's poor black youth by storm. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
The red berets think affirmative action hasn't gone far enough. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:46 | |
They're demanding more extreme measures | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
to help black people out of poverty, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
like taking back farmland and nationalising lucrative mines. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:56 | |
We are going to take what belongs to us! | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
They've become controversial | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
for singing an apartheid rebellion song, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
Shoot The Boer - Kill The Farmer. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
Viva EFF! | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
From old women to little kids, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
they're all screaming for the EFF. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
'Just because there's now a black government, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
'doesn't mean poor black Africans aren't still suffering or angry.' | 0:46:17 | 0:46:22 | |
It has been 20 years of so-called independence. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
I might be free to sit next to a white person on the bus, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
but I've got no income. I got no money. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
I cannot buy anything for my children. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
They just watch life going by. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
Talking to people like Hardus, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
you get an idea that he feels like | 0:46:35 | 0:46:36 | |
he's not part of what is happening in South Africa. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
It's no different to the people here. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
They feel just as marginalised, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
just as not listened to and just as ignored. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
People here want change, and there's a militancy in the air. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:51 | |
Look at that, look. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
When their commander-in-chief, Julius Malema, turns up, | 0:46:57 | 0:47:00 | |
he gets a welcome that David Cameron could only dream of. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:05 | |
SINGING AND CHANTING | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
The whole time I've been here, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
I've heard about this Kill The Boer song. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
Clearly, Malema has become hip to that, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:54 | |
because it's something that's really sensitive | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
to the Boer Afrikaner population out here. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
He's now changed the words of the song to Kiss The Boer. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
The funny thing is, that's quickly followed | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
by people going "pow-pow". | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
Different words, pretty much the same meaning. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:13 | |
Shoot to kill! | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
I've never seen any politician in Britain... | 0:48:17 | 0:48:19 | |
when they sing, they sing traditional songs. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:21 | |
He sang the Kill The Boer song, | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
but he changed the words to Kiss The Boer. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
-Do you think it's a fair song? -Yeah, it's a fair song. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
We are kissing the knowledge. We do not want to fight. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
We want to fight spiritually, not physically. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
We don't want to fight with guns and whatever, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
we have to fight knowledgeably. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
And we have to fight with knowledge. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
'I don't want to believe | 0:48:48 | 0:48:49 | |
'that everyone here wants to take violent revenge on white people, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
'but chanting a hate song isn't building any bridges.' | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
A few years ago, Julius Malema was tipped as a future president. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
But he's not someone many people in Coronation Park would vote for. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
Why do you think that so many black people in townships | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
are supporting of Malema? | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
Because they want to kill us. It's a shock, eh? | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
I definitely don't agree. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
It says "Kill the Boer, kill the white one, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
"kill the Boer, kill the white one." They're going to kill us. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
As soon as he comes in, we're going to be killed. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
Our fathers before our fathers treated black people very bad. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
They did. And I think Julius Malema wants to just turn it around. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
He wants to give us | 0:49:39 | 0:49:40 | |
the same medicine that our fathers, before our fathers, gave them. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
That's what I think. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:45 | |
But it's wrong. It's wrong. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:46 | |
Why do you want to treat us like dirt | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
because of what happened at that time? | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
It was a long time ago, but it's not that long ago. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:56 | |
The fact that people are still alive who remember apartheid is a problem. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
The fact that there are still people alive | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
who are holding on to feelings from that era is a problem, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
and that is why there are some people, not all people, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
some people who feel a level of resentment, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
and why there is anger between blacks and whites. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
Blood is blood and flesh is flesh, so just leave it. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
It is history, but, but... You can't forget. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:25 | |
It's irresponsible to forget. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
Come on, it's a new life. It's new. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
So go forward! | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
You've got every right to be angry, | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
but so do black people in the townships. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:38 | |
There are lessons in what happened, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
and I think the only way you move forward | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
is learning from what happened, as opposed to forgetting. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
Stupid man! | 0:50:45 | 0:50:46 | |
That's why the world is like it is, because they can't forgive | 0:50:46 | 0:50:51 | |
and forget what happened in their lives. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
That's why the world is a fuck-up. Straight talking. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:57 | |
That's why the world is fucked up. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
But to forget what happened would be completely irresponsible, | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
because then you can't learn from what went wrong. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
Hear me out... | 0:51:06 | 0:51:07 | |
I've told you what I think. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:10 | |
I've told you everything that I know, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
everything I want to say to you, and that's that. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
-We're not going to agree on it. -We will never agree! Never! | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
Let me tell you one thing, my friend. We will never agree. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
Forgiving and forgetting is not the way I live my life. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
I've got a tattoo on my arm | 0:51:29 | 0:51:30 | |
that says "Never regret, never forget", you know? | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
I think it's important that you don't forget. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
It's definitely important that you forgive, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
and that's the only way things are going to change, if people forgive. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
But you must never forget, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:44 | |
because if you forget, what the hell are you going to learn? | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
There is no quick fix | 0:51:48 | 0:51:49 | |
for the divisions and inequality in South Africa. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
The poor Afrikaners I've met | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
are undoubtedly getting a rough deal now. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
But if there is a price to pay for decades of oppression, | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
perhaps this is the least worst option. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
In Pretoria, Hardus has asked me to meet him | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
after making it through to the final interview for his sales job. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
-So today was the big day? -I've got some bad news and some good news. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
-OK, bad news first. -I need to wake up early tomorrow morning. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
Best news, I get to start working on my birthday, which is tomorrow! | 0:52:21 | 0:52:27 | |
Oh, my God. That's incredible. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
That's unbelievable! Congratulations. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
-What a birthday present. -Yeah, it is. I really didn't expect this. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:38 | |
-What does this mean for you and your family? -A better life, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
which is what I've been hoping for, what I've been dreaming for. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
-Does Vivian know yet? -No. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
Congratulations. Big news. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
What's the first thing you want to do? | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
Just get out of this place. Move to a flat or something. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
I can't let them grow up here in this place. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
When I got the yes after I left the office, it was... | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
It just felt like I was taking a huge load of stuff off my shoulders. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
So it's a big change for me. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
I'm still going to make it, I'm still going to do it. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
It's been a pleasure meeting you. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
-Take care. Best of luck. -Thank you! -See you later, little man. -Bye-bye! | 0:53:37 | 0:53:42 | |
Do I get a hug? See you later. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:48 | |
-Bye! -Bye! | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
Bye, monkey. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
'I'm really pleased that Hardus at least has made a positive change. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:03 | |
'I'd come here hoping to see a rainbow nation, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
'but there's clearly some way to go. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
'Integration is happening, but only in pockets. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
'I'm surprised that it's the poor Afrikaners | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
'who feel they don't belong in South Africa.' | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
Essentially, black and white people are victims of apartheid, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
and they're still feeling the effects of it. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
It's a problem that's affected poor, rich, white and black. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
Do you think that you're a victim of apartheid still? | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
Definitely, my generation are paying a price. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
Paying a price for our forefathers. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
South Africa's past is still haunting it. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
But it won't be like that always. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
Change takes time. It really does. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
-Happy? -Very happy. I look ten years younger! That's amazing. Nice work. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:07 | |
-Bye-bye. -See you later, guys. -Bye. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
Always look to the trees and to the sky. Remember us then. Do. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:21 | |
It's a bit weird, um, seeing them react the way they have to me. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
And it's... | 0:55:32 | 0:55:33 | |
If I'm going to be really honest, I feel strange leaving. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
Not that I want to stay here, but... | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
You know, I'm going home, and I know what I'm going home to. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
And they're staying here. Staying here in this. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:53 | |
This is how kids play here. This is the reality for them here. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
And they are good people. Really good people. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
My time in Coronation Park and Joburg has come to an end. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
The people I've been living with are in a very difficult position, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
but they still have made me very welcome, and that's important. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
Thank you so much. Take care. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
'During the years of apartheid, | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
'I wouldn't have even been allowed to set foot in this park. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
'And that is progress, at least for me.' | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 |