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BARACK OBAMA: 'Today, at my direction, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
'the United States launched a targeted operation in Abbottabad, Pakistan. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:13 | |
'After a firefight, they killed Osama Bin Laden | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
'and took custody of his body.' | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Earlier this year, America shot dead the Al-Qaeda leader | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
in his hiding place in Pakistan. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
Publicly, Pakistan is one of America's closest allies, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
yet every step of the operation was kept secret from it. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:33 | |
This series tells the hidden story of how, for a decade, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
Pakistan deceived America and the West... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
and was then found out. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
Unfortunately, one guy we missed, that's the number one guy. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
And so we got all the blame. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
You didn't have to be Sherlock Holmes to put the dots together. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Pakistan was playing a double game and double-dealing us. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
It's a story that begins with the hunt for Al-Qaeda. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
I'm a native New Yorker, you know, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
I'm thinking in my heart, this is revenge. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
But it's also a story of how and why | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
Pakistan continues to give secret support to the Taliban. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
First, they support us by providing a place to hide. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
Secondly, they provide us with weapons. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
Above all, it is the story of how Pakistan, a supposed ally, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
stands accused by top Western intelligence officers and diplomats | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
of causing the deaths of thousands of coalition soldiers in Afghanistan. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
Deaths that continue to this day. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
We are literally seeing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of fighters pouring in from Pakistan. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
I think it was quite clear to us that the Pakistanis were playing very much a double game. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
'The stakes here are huge.' | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
GEORGE W BUSH: 'The Taliban has been given the opportunity to surrender | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
'all the terrorists in Afghanistan and to close down their camps and operations. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
'Forewarning has been given and time is running out. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:31 | |
'The United States is presenting a clear choice to every nation. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
'Stand with the civilised world or stand with the terrorists. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
'And for those nations that stand with the terrorists, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
'there will be a heavy price.' | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
The Taliban regime ignored President Bush's threat. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
It refused to hand over Osama Bin Laden. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
My fellow Americans, let's roll. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
A month after 9/11, the United States began to bomb Afghanistan, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
from where the attacks had been planned. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
Yes! | 0:03:18 | 0:03:19 | |
DISTANT EXPLOSION | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
The Americans' aim was to employ their military might | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
to prevent Afghanistan being used again as a terrorist base... | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
..and to destroy Al-Qaeda. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
Their allies were the Northern Alliance, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
made up of local Afghan warlords, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
united by their hatred of the Taliban. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
US special forces and CIA agents | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
were directing operations on the ground. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Their commander was Gary Berntsen. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Well, of course, for me, I'm a native New Yorker, you know. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:06 | |
I'm not ashamed to say the fact that for me this was, in a way, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
I'm thinking in my heart, this is revenge. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
They have come in, they have killed our people. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
I will deliver justice to as many of these people as possible. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
We're going to dispatch them to the next world. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
EXPLOSIONS | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
As the bombing intensified, some senior Taliban commanders retreated | 0:04:25 | 0:04:31 | |
to the airfield at Kunduz in Northern Afghanistan. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
But they were not alone. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Before 9/11, neighbouring Pakistan had been the Taliban's closest ally. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
Events had moved so fast, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
the Taliban still had Pakistani military advisers with them. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
Now, the Pakistanis were still secretly supporting the Taliban, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
even though they said in public they were on the Americans' side. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
What happened next in Kunduz was the first evidence | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
of an audacious Pakistani double cross | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
that would last a decade. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
In December of 2001, as American forces, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
American air power and the Northern Alliance on the ground | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
was putting the Taliban to the knife across the country, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
one of the more difficult episodes | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
that really made it very, very difficult to trust the Pakistanis | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
was the Kunduz airlift. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
The Northern Alliance came to me in a fit of rage, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
stating that the Pakistani aircraft were landing in Kunduz on an airfield | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
and were evacuating the Taliban. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
I actually asked Amrullah Saleh, who would later become | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
the Northern Alliance chief of intelligence, so you know, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
I asked him if he was smoking hashish. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
I couldn't believe it. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:51 | |
Those planes did fly in. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
The stated reason for them entering was, of course, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
to evacuate some of the military officers that had been up there, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
but the Taliban fought their way onto those planes | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
and an air corridor allowed many of the leadership | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
of the Taliban's northern command to be flown out of Afghanistan, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
while the rest of us were trying to destroy them. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
I was horrified by the duplicity on the Pakistanis' part. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
One of the Taliban fighters uses the name Commander Aziz. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
He's still active in the Taliban and has hidden his identity. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
He is speaking publicly for the first time. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
We saw wounded and dead everywhere. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
On the roads, in the streets. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Everybody was escaping, chased by the enemy. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
Aziz claims to have watched | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
as the Pakistani military airlifted not just their personnel, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
but also his Taliban commanders. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
I literally saw it with my own eyes. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
The programme of evacuation began around 4pm | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
and went on until about 11 at night. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
The roars of the planes to take them away could be heard the entire time. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
God knows everything. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
The military planes transferred them in about ten flights. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
The problem with Pakistan is that they had deceived us in Kunduz. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
I think it demonstrated their true colours. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
In the Pakistani capital Islamabad, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
there was a hidden determination to help the Taliban live | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
to fight another day. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Two weeks before Kunduz, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
the head of Pakistan's intelligence service, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
the ISI, travelled to a secret meeting. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
General Mahmud Ahmed was one of the most powerful men | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
in Pakistan's military regime. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
He had nurtured the Taliban since their rise to power. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
General Mahmud, it is claimed, told the Taliban ambassador, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
Mullah Zaeef, that whatever was said publicly, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
Pakistan and the ISI would still secretly support the Taliban. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
In the 1990s, Pakistan had helped create the Taliban | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
to prevent Afghanistan falling under the influence of India, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
Pakistan's enduring enemy. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
Of course, for Pakistan, the overwhelming obsession is India. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:07 | |
This eternal worry that India is using Afghanistan | 0:09:07 | 0:09:13 | |
to surround Pakistan. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
So, that is the central obsession | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
and, of course, as every state is entitled to do, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
their priority is their national security and survival, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
and they regard the Americans and us | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
as somewhat impermanent fair-weather friends. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
Support for the Taliban ran through the highest levels | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
of Pakistan's military and intelligence establishment. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
Will Taliban go away? They're not going to go away. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
Eventually, it is they who are going to be on our borders. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
We have to co-exist with them, we have to learn to live with them. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Can we afford to have a hostile Afghanistan on our back? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
No, we cannot. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:57 | |
The collective wisdom of the nation says that we must continue | 0:09:57 | 0:10:03 | |
to have good linkages with Taliban. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
It is in Pakistan's national interest | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
and I think everybody knows | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
that it is in Pakistan's national interest. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
Pakistan's support for the Taliban did not come as news to the CIA. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:19 | |
Philip Mudd was briefing the White House regularly. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
He was in Afghanistan in that autumn of 2001. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
I was there on the ground and the Americans said, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
"Well, you must be with us, we just lost 3,000 people". | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
Well, not everybody was. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
We shouldn't be surprised to find | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
not only that there are people in Pakistan | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
who, before 911, were supporting the Taliban... | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Of course there were. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
They were creating a friend on their back door. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
I remember watching things like the Kunduz operation, saying, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
"We shouldn't be surprised | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
"that there were sympathisers within the Pakistani security service". | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
The powerful Pakistani security service - the ISI, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
or Inter-Services Intelligence, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
operates from this headquarters in Islamabad. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
The ISI is part of the military. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
Its agents are mostly soldiers | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
and it's always commanded by a senior general. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
In the 1980s, it worked with the CIA and MI6 | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
to support the Afghan Mujahideen | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
fighting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
I've worked with the ISI for more than three decades. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
It is part of the Pakistani army, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
but it operates, generally, beyond the control | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
of the Pakistani government as a whole. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
There are many grey areas about the ISI's behaviour. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
(GEORGE BUSH) There's an old poster out West, as I recall, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
that said, "Wanted, dead or alive". | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
All I want, and America, wants him brought to justice, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
that's what we want. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
In early December 2001, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
in the weeks following the Kunduz airlift, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
more Taliban fighters were cornered. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
This time, in the Afghan mountains of Tora Bora, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
close to the border with Pakistan. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
With them were fighters from Al-Qaeda, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
an estimated 1,500 men in all. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
The CIA's Gary Berntsen discovered Osama Bin Laden | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
was tantalisingly within reach. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
One of our people picks up a radio. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
It's essentially a hunting radio. Nothing complicated, no encryption. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
This is what they're using to talk with one another. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
We're able to actually listen to them speak to one another | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
and assess, you know, their position. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
We actually saw Bin Laden and his son come out. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Reporter gave us a pretty good description. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
We thought, "This is a bit suspect". | 0:12:48 | 0:12:49 | |
We've got B-52s, we've got B-1s, we've got B-2s, F-16s. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:58 | |
Everything in the US arsenal, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
every aircraft that you can strap a bomb onto | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
is flying in there and dropping weapons on Tora Bora. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
But to Berntsen's frustration, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
US Central Command refused to send the extra ground troops | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
that he requested. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
And the Taliban fighters, together with Bin Laden and his men, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
had a potential escape route - | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
across the Afghan border and into Pakistan. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
The critical piece in this, of course, was, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
we are told that the Pakistani Frontier Force | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
will cover the back of the mountain. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
That statement from the Pakistanis convinced the US | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
that they didn't need to send additional forces in. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
It was a miscalculation on the part of the US. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
But the trapped Taliban fighters and their Al-Qaeda guests | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
needed help somehow to reach the border. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
There are allegations it came from familiar quarters, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
as one of the most influential Northern Alliance warlords, | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
Zahir Qadir, reveals. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
The three Afghan warlords convened a secret meeting | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
to agree tactics. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
One of them, Haji Zaman, came up with a controversial plan - | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
to grant the Taliban a 12-hour ceasefire | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
so they could gather their men and weapons and surrender. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
Qadir's fears were borne out. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
Many of the Taliban and their Al-Qaeda guests | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
used the ceasefire to head for the border. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
To Qadir, it was evidence that his fellow warlord, Haji Zaman, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
had double crossed him. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
Zaman had once been a major Taliban commander himself | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
and was known to have had links with the ISI in the past. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
Qadir's claims are impossible to verify | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
and Haji Zaman was assassinated | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
when he returned to Afghanistan last year. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
What is certain is that in the months after America attacked, | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
most of the Taliban fighters escaped, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
alongside their Al-Qaeda allies. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
One middle-ranking Taliban commander who'd got away at Tora Bora | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
and is still an active fighter, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
reveals where they ended up. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
He's an Afghan who uses the name Mullah Qaseem | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
but asked for his real identity to be kept hidden. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
TRANSLATION: We fought for some time, but later on, we escaped. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
We all wanted to reach safety. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
We went to places safe from bombardment, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
but when they were invaded, we escaped to Pakistan. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
We had no problem at the border. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
Then, we went to Peshawar. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
We got together into groups of four or five people who we trusted. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
The police were not arresting or jailing Afghans when they saw us... | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
..so, we didn't face many difficulties. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
The escaping Taliban fighters were members of the Pashtun tribe. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
The Pashtuns are spread across Pakistan's tribal areas | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
and southern Afghanistan. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Linked by language and ethnicity, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
they don't recognise the border between the two countries. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
They were coming back to their own kith and kin, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
coming to Pakistan, who had been supporting them against the Soviets, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
providing them the sanctuary and the base for the last decade or so, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
who had very deep relations with them. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
They were welcomed. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
We have the same blood running in our veins. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
Senior figures in Pakistan's intelligence | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
and military establishment | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
were already aware that the Taliban had survived | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
to fight another day. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
Did you think that the Taliban had been defeated? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
No. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:09 | |
I mean, to be very exact, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
the total casualties they suffered was about 1,100, who were killed. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
The rest had hidden themselves, they had fallen back. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:25 | |
The war in Afghanistan seemed over. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
A new government, under President Hamid Karzai, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
took power, backed by America and its allies. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
America no longer cared about the Taliban. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Its primary target, as it always had been, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
was Al-Qaeda, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
which now meant hunting them down in Pakistan. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
The Taliban had always been quite distinct, organisationally, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
from Al-Qaeda and I did not see the Taliban | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
as being a real material threat. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
We were focused like a laser beam on Al-Qaeda. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
These were the people who were responsible for 9/11, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
these were the people who we feared, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
if they managed to make good their escape, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
would continue attacking US interests around the world. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
That was, by far, our number one priority. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
We didn't want anything to interfere with that. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
Some of their leadership started going into urban spaces of Pakistan. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
So, in the spring, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
you've got a fundamental problem in this campaign, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
and that is starting to try to find people in urban areas of Pakistan | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
and starting to try to figure out | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
how we could work with the Pakistanis on that. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
The next 18 months, through 2002 and 2003, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
seemed to show the US and Pakistan co-operating against Al-Qaeda, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
through their spy agencies, the ISI and the CIA. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
The Taliban's survival mattered to Pakistan. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
Al-Qaeda's didn't. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
Each arrest helped unlock what would become billions of dollars | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
of US military aid. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:09 | |
The ISI would do confirmatory checks on the ground, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
focusing specifically on Al-Qaeda, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
the Arab members of Al-Qaeda who'd fled out of Afghanistan. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
We and the Pakistanis had perfected a methodology | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
for conducting raids to capture these people. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
It was a series of rolling raids, almost night after night, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
and that was the way that we did business in those early days. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
But even then, there were limits to US/Pakistani co-operation. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
In the past, the ISI had built close links | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
with various Pakistani militant groups fighting India | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
in the disputed territory of Kashmir, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
and even with Al-Qaeda. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:53 | |
Now, the ISI went to great lengths to cover these tracks, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
as became evident during the disappearance | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
of an American journalist in early 2002. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
On the 23rd of January, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
the 38-year-old Daniel Pearl was kidnapped | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
in the Pakistani city of Karachi. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
It soon emerged that the militant group that had abducted him | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
was one of those fighting Indian troops in Kashmir, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
with, the CIA suspected, the secret support of the ISI. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
I think, to the extent that some of those extremists, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
may have been affiliated with groups | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
that had received some measure of support | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
from the army of Pakistan in the past, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
those were details which the Pakistanis | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
would not particularly have wanted to come to light. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
Two weeks later, with Pearl still missing, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
the British-born mastermind of the kidnap, Omar Sheikh, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
decided to hand himself in to the authorities. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
But not to the police. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
Omar Sheikh had links with the ISI stretching back to the 1990s | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
and he now chose to give himself up to a former ISI official. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
The ISI kept the news secret. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
We had reason to believe that he had been detained, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
and specifically, by the ISI, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
and so, I went to a very trusted counterpart within the ISI and said, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
"How about it? Do you have him?" | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
And he said, "Well, let me look into it". | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
He came back to me a few hours later and said, "No, we don't have him". | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
And I knew he was lying to me. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
Eventually, but only under extreme pressure, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
the ISI did hand over Omar Sheikh to the police. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
Later, he himself said, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
in open court, that he had been detained by the ISI | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
and been kept for, you know, some seven or eight days or so, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
and we can only guess what those conversations were like. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
I suspect that he was strongly encouraged by the ISI | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
not to say too much about his past life. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
I think the Pakistanis were probably concerned | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
about what other stories he might tell. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
In particular, there were suspicions that before 9/11, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
the ISI had indeed encouraged such groups | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
to develop contacts with Al-Qaeda. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
The closeness of the links between Omar Sheikh's group and Al-Qaeda | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
were soon to be brutally demonstrated. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
The local police chief, Detective Fayyaz Khan, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
takes up the story. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
The man who beheaded Daniel Pearl | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
was the self-proclaimed Al-Qaeda mastermind of 9/11, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
When, a year later, he was arrested by the ISI | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
in the military town of Rawalpindi, the Pakistanis claimed | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
it showed they were indispensable in the battle against Al-Qaeda. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
If you look at the wanted list which the United States issued, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
most of those guys were actually nabbed by the ISI. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
So, ISI was very active and has been keeping a watch in all the cities, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
but then, it's a country of 180 million people, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
so ISI has been active in all these cities, looking for Al-Qaeda, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
picking them up. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:08 | |
Unfortunately, one guy we missed, that's the number one guy, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
and so, we got all the blame. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
But even in the early days of 2002 and 2003, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
the Americans had doubts about Pakistan. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
Inside the CIA, it was noted that no senior Taliban figures | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
were arrested during this period. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
For all the arrests of Al-Qaeda members like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
the CIA questioned the true motives of Pakistan's military dictator | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
General Pervez Musharraf. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
Pakistan, and particularly General Musharraf, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
played the Bush administration like a fiddle. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
They gave us just enough, in terms of Al-Qaeda, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
to keep the Bush administration happy, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
but not enough to actually eliminate Al-Qaeda as an organisation, | 0:25:54 | 0:26:00 | |
and virtually nothing on the Taliban. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
Musharraf knew that before every meeting between the two of them, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
he needed to reinforce his stock, | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
and he did that by giving us a prominent Al-Qaeda operative. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
The Pakistanis would, fortuitously, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
on the verge of a summit meeting between Bush and Musharraf, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
produce number three, number four, in the Al-Qaeda hierarchy, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
and that way, take away any criticism | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
that might come from the Americans over Pakistan's double game. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Meanwhile, the reports from Islamabad | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
that were reaching the British at this time | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
seemed to bear out the American claims. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
Colonel Richard Kemp was working at the heart of Whitehall, | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
and intelligence reports from MI5 and MI6 passed across his desk. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:50 | |
I think it was quite clear to us | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
that the Pakistanis were playing very much a double game | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
and a lot of what they were saying and some of what they were doing | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
was very clearly aimed at the eyes of the West | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
and didn't necessarily reflect their real intentions | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
and their real actions, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
so, I think we felt that there would be elements of the Taliban | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
who were still being supported by Pakistan | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
and who Pakistan was still prepared to have operating on its territory. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
The clearest evidence for this double game | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
lay in the Pakistani town of Quetta, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
just across the border from the Afghan province of Helmand. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
In 2003, the Taliban set up a government in exile there. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:36 | |
Christina Lamb was reporting from Pakistan at the time. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
In 2003, I was in Quetta and Quetta was like Taliban central. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
Taliban were everywhere. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
You could see them all over the town, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
and there was training camps, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
you could see recruiting going on, fund-raising, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
and it was all quite open. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
From this sanctuary, the Taliban began to launch attacks | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
against the forces of the new Afghan government | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
and the US troops supporting them. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Pakistan did not stop the attacks. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
Mullah Qaseem, a Taliban commander, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
was one of those who used Quetta as a base. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
We were sent to different places over the border in Afghanistan, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
places like Paktika and Khost. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
We would cross the border and carry out operations there, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
depending on what equipment we had. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
Once we'd used up our ammunition, we'd return to our base | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
and another group would take our place, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
so we were able to keep it going. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
For a fighter, there are two important things - | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
supplies and a place to hide. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
Pakistan plays a significant role. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
First, they support us | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
by providing a place to hide, which is really important. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
Secondly, they provide us with weapons. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
HE SINGS IN HIS OWN DIALECT | 0:29:21 | 0:29:27 | |
SHOTS FIRED | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
The American troops still in Afghanistan | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
had been told the Taliban had been defeated | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
and that Pakistan was their ally. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
Their commander, General Dan McNeill, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
found the truth on the ground was the opposite - | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
the Taliban was reconstituting itself as a fighting force, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
helped by Pakistan. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
'Along the border, there's an Afghan town called Shkin.' | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
It was always a difficult place, it continues to be to this day. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
'We had our forward operating base there, a very small one, very light footprint, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
'but it was sufficient for what we needed it to do.' | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
'So one night, late 2002, | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
we observed a dismounted patrol, might have been 20 or 30 people,' | 0:30:29 | 0:30:35 | |
come across the border out of Angoor Adda, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
'the Pakistani village on the other side of the border from Shkin.' | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
It was clear that they meant mischief and malice. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
Incoming! | 0:30:46 | 0:30:47 | |
'We watched them come by the Pakistani Frontier Corps facility, they walked right by the walls,' | 0:30:48 | 0:30:54 | |
Anybody who was manning those walls | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
or guarding the gate would have to see them, without question. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
'They were going to attack the Afghan outpost and wait for us | 0:31:01 | 0:31:05 | |
'to come out in our mounted quick-reaction force | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
'and they were going to ambush the quick-reaction force.' | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
We had to quickly devise a plan to ambush the ambushers. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
'And that, indeed, is the way it unfolded. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
'We watched the remnants of that force go back | 0:31:19 | 0:31:23 | |
'pretty much the same way they came, going back into Pakistan. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
'Someone had to know they were walking, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
'and when I talked the next day or so to the Pakistani brothers about it,' | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
if I remember correctly the division commander was in that area, | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
"No, didn't happen that way, couldn't have happened, they didn't come by our place." | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
While Pakistan proclaimed itself the ally of America, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
it was simultaneously allowing itself to be the Taliban's sanctuary. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:56 | |
For Mullah Qaseem and his comrades, it was the difference between life and death. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
-TRANSLATION: -'During the night we planted mines.' | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
There is a kind of plane that makes a droning sound. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
They are called computer planes... whatever. They followed us. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:21 | |
'Later on, helicopters came. My friend was wounded. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
'Pakistan is our second home.' | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
'We feel safer in Pakistan than we do in Afghanistan.' | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
We took him to a private hospital in Peshawar. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
If a Talib gets injured and is taken to the hospital, he's accepted regardless. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
In Kabul, the new government's intelligence chief monitored | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
the Taliban resurgence with dismay. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
Amrulleh Saleh was part of a government | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
that bitterly resented Pakistan's role in supporting the Taliban. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
If a wounded guy goes to one of our hospitals and says, "Treat me," | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
the doctor will ask, "How did you get injured?" | 0:33:10 | 0:33:17 | |
But when a Taliban gets wounded, the entire medical system | 0:33:17 | 0:33:23 | |
of Pakistan is in his service, nobody asks him, "Where were you wounded?" | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
'The Pakistanis never dismantled the infrastructure | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
'which was supporting the Taliban back in the '90s.' | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
The charge sheet against Pakistan was growing. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
In late 2003, Colonel Tony Shaffer | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
was working for US military intelligence in eastern Afghanistan. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
'It was very clear there was major support being provided | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
'to the Taliban in Pakistan in some form.' | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
The most notable evidence we had early on was a female intelligence operative - | 0:34:03 | 0:34:11 | |
'an ISI operative - being rolled up as part of Taliban raiding party. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
'This was something that you could not deny. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
'There was vetting done to verify | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
'this female operative's affiliation with the ISI.' | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
And apparently, there was a great effort made behind the scenes to bring her back. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
I was of a mind, as were other officers, to send her to Guantanamo Bay, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
we believed that that would be the adequate disposition. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
Unfortunately, politics came into play | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
and eventually she was returned to the Pakistani ISI. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
'So in my eyes, and the eyes of others who I was working with, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
'it was irrefutable evidence of Pakistani support for the Taliban.' | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
The American claim is lent further credence by the Taliban commander, | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
Mullah Qaseem, who says he witnessed the ISI in action. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
-TRANSLATION: -'I have seen the ISI dressed as Mullahs, as preachers, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:11 | |
'and as Muslim scholars.' | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
'They do come but they don't come in uniform.' | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
The Taliban movement was created with the help of the ISI. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
It is like when a tree grows - one has to plant it and water it. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
Supported by Pakistan, the Taliban killed 52 | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
and wounded hundreds of American troops in Afghanistan in 2004. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
But as long as Pakistan helped hunt Al-Qaeda, America was willing | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
to downplay what they saw as Pakistan's duplicity. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
-ANNOUNCER: -President George W Bush! | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
CHEERING | 0:35:52 | 0:35:53 | |
2004 was an election year. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
7,000 miles away in Washington, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
the President wanted to claim progress in the War on Terror. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
GEORGE W BUSH: 'Our strategy is succeeding. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
'Four years ago, Pakistan was a transit point for terrorist groups. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
'Today, Pakistan is capturing terrorist leaders | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
'and more than three quarters of Al-Qaeda's key members and associates | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
'have been detailed or killed, and America and the world are safer.' | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
CHEERING | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
President Bush had already formally named Pakistan as a "major non-NATO ally", | 0:36:27 | 0:36:33 | |
in recognition of its role in fighting Al-Qaeda. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
'I think the Bush administration, for a long time, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
'was in denial about Pakistani behaviour.' | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
The Pakistanis were our most important ally | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
in going after Al-Qaeda. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
Their duplicity in continuing to support the Taliban was | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
something the Bush administration didn't want to face up to. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
You've got the state diplomatic interest, of look, you know, | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
we need the Pakistanis, and we can't insult them and embarrass them, | 0:37:00 | 0:37:06 | |
we need to work with these guys, everybody acknowledges that. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
'So there's only so much pressing you can do if you want to get | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
'the kind of positive reaction from them that we all know we need.' | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
Meanwhile, Pakistan's apparent willingness | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
to barter Al-Qaeda figures to divert American attention | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
from its support for the Taliban had provoked a reaction... | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
from Al-Qaeda and its sympathizers. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
NEWSREADER: '14 people have died in a failed assassination attempt | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
'on the President of Pakistan. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
'It's the second time in less than a fortnight | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
'that President Pervez Musharraf has been targeted. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
'His motorcade was heading towards the capital, Islamabad...' | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
In December 2003, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
two assassination attempts were made on the Pakistani President. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
Both were thought to have been masterminded by Pakistani militant groups | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
working in association with Al-Qaeda. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
'Two attempts were made on him.' | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
And the people who were caught, | 0:38:06 | 0:38:08 | |
there were three from his own commando unit, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
there were two from his security. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Five of them were hanged for the crime that they had committed. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
The attacks were eventually blamed on Amjad Farooqi, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
an Islamic militant with links to Al-Qaeda. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
In retaliation, President Musharraf ordered the army to attack Al-Qaeda | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
and their allies in their stronghold of South Waziristan, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
in the heart of Pakistan's untamed tribal areas. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
'Musharraf was told, "Look, they masterminded it in Waziristan,"' | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
and at that time, Waziristan was kind of in a point of boiling. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
'And Musharraf, without a second thought, unleashed the army on them.' | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
The fighting that followed was fierce. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
But at the height of the offensive, an incident took place | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
that raised American doubts about whether Pakistani intelligence could be trusted | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
when it came to hunting down Al-Qaeda's top leadership. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
Spies working for the Americans had pinpointed Bin Laden's number two, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
Ayman al-Zawahari, in the Pakistani town of Wana, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
capital of South Waziristan. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
'The bad guys if you will, Al-Qaeda and Taliban, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
set up at a place called the Al-Qaeda hotel.' | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
This was a full-on hotel which was actively a headquarters | 0:39:35 | 0:39:43 | |
for everything we could see going on to conduct operations to kill people. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:49 | |
'The most notable interest we had was that there was a pattern | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
'of what we would call a high-value target, HVT.' | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
The patterns of activity and communication | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
indicated that there was a large fish there. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
We found out that Dr Zawahiri was hanging out there, | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
and this information was passed to the Pakistanis. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:09 | |
The information was promptly used to plan a great military operation | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
using the Pakistani army, and the end result was pretty much nothing. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
I was in Wana and I am the one who carried out this operation. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
And once we got the information | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
there were reports that some elements are there. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
So the operation started early morning, with the first light. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:34 | |
And first the aviation and the special forces, they went in, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
and they went in and killed a number of people. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
But by that time the ground forces, which I was commanding, went in. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:46 | |
A number of dead bodies were there but others had been taken | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
and any surviving members might have fled. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:55 | |
Although the Pakistani military had captured many Al-Qaeda prisoners, | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
the most high-value target, Zawahari himself, was not among them. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
We found out that 24 hours before going in, the HVT, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:14 | |
in this case Dr Zawahiri, was given fair warning, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
"You're about to be attacked, you'd better skedaddle." | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
And the reason being is because the ISI was able to give tip-off information | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
to the Al-Qaeda and Taliban folks in the safe haven | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
and allow them to escape ahead of the attack. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
The Americans suspected the ISI of secretly protecting Zawahiri, | 0:41:32 | 0:41:38 | |
because while the Al-Qaeda threat remained high, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
the case for continued US aid to Pakistan remained strong. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
When you're running these operations, I think you have a legitimate concern | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
that a few of the people you're dealing with might let that information out the back door. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:55 | |
And that clearly was a concern we had over time. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
If you develop critical information on a point target | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
that's unique and perishable, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
you just can't afford to let that stuff go out the back door | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
because that target will spook immediately. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
He'll go back to plotting. You might not pick him up for another year or two. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
The Pakistanis deny the charge that they deliberately let Zawahiri get away. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:18 | |
What is clear, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
is that Zawahari continued in overall charge of Al-Qaeda's military operations | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
for the next five years. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
During that time, Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility for 313 attacks, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
resulting in the deaths of 3,010 people. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
And since Osama Bin Laden's death earlier this year, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
Zawahiri has become the new Al-Qaeda leader. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
After the Battle Of Wana, the first of a series of truces was struck. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:56 | |
The Pakistanis would back off Al-Qaeda and their local allies | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
if they agreed not to attack Pakistani targets. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
But to American frustration, throughout this period, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
the Pakistani military had not confronted the Taliban fighters | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
who continued to attack the Americans in Afghanistan | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
from their bases in Pakistan. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
It's been a long war for a lot of people. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
I think the first time I ever... killed a man... | 0:43:24 | 0:43:30 | |
certainly had an effect on me. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
It's been a difficult campaign in which, you know, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
I lost several friends and I think that heightens the frustration | 0:43:36 | 0:43:41 | |
that I have about Pakistan. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
To Captain Andrew Exum, | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
who was part of a Special Operations task force, | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
one particular incident stands out. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
In the spring of 2004, | 0:43:55 | 0:43:56 | |
I was leading a quick reaction force of US Army Rangers | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
in Eastern Afghanistan... | 0:44:00 | 0:44:01 | |
Allahu Akbar! | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
..and we got spun up one night because a Ranger unit that was in a blocking position | 0:44:04 | 0:44:09 | |
down in the border with Pakistan had come under fire. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
The quick reaction force, that unit had a young Ranger named Pat Tillman, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:18 | |
who was a US football star | 0:44:18 | 0:44:22 | |
and, in that firefight, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
he was killed by friendly fire actually from his own unit. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:29 | |
In the aftermath of his death, | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
people lost sight of the fact of why those Rangers were there on the border in the first place. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:37 | |
They were there in expectation of a Pakistani army offensive through Waziristan, | 0:44:37 | 0:44:42 | |
that was going to push these militants out of Waziristan and back into Afghanistan. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:48 | |
And obviously that never took place. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
And I think that in Tillman's death you see so much the futility | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
with which this conflict has been waged | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
in light of our partner in Afghanistan that at times has been incompetent, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
at times has simply not had the capacity | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
or the will to take on these militant groups, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
and at times and in instances has been complicit with these militant groups. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:14 | |
The Forward Operating Base was re-named in honour of the young football star. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
Meanwhile, the CIA made another discovery | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
that was to have lethal repercussions. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
Inside Pakistan, scores of training camps had been built | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
to help teach Taliban fighters how to kill American soldiers. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:52 | |
Mullah Qaseem was an early recruit. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
It was like a workshop. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
The important thing was that we should be able to convince people. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:08 | |
The Americans and British who'd come to your country | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
hadn't come to build it but to destroy it. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:15 | |
"Your country has been invaded. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
"Remember your ancestors who made the British run away | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
"and successfully fought the Russians. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
"In the name of Islam, you should gather people together | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
"and get them ready for jihad." | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
Another Taliban commander, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
who still actively fights under the name of Mullah Azizullah, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
says many of his teachers were from Pakistani intelligence. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
He's asked to hide his identity. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
They are all the ISI's men. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
They are the ones who run the training. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
First they train us about bombs. Then they give us practical guidance. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:04 | |
Their generals are everywhere. They are present during the training. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:12 | |
The official spokesman for the ISI | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
denies that there was any such support for the camps. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
These camps, they got... | 0:47:20 | 0:47:23 | |
probably reinitiated by themselves | 0:47:23 | 0:47:28 | |
when the Taliban crossed over from Afghanistan in 2001/02 | 0:47:28 | 0:47:33 | |
and they started reorganising. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
So to say that these militant groups | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
were being supported by the state | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
with the organised camps in these areas, et cetera, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
I think nothing could be further from the truth. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
The official denial is dismissed by Latif Afridi, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
one of Pakistan's senior judges and a native of the tribal area. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
He has no doubt about the importance of Pakistani intelligence | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
to the Taliban training camps. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
< Would it have been possible for those camps to have been created | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
without the knowledge of the ISI? | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
No, it was not possible. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
See, during this period, ISI had trained guerrilla fighters. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:22 | |
People say there were 600 Chinese there, Punjabis there, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:27 | |
you see Chechens, there's Arabs, there's Tajiks, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
God knows how many other... | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
peoples from other nationalities. But these people have been allowed | 0:48:33 | 0:48:39 | |
with the explicit approval of our agencies. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
But the ISI were not the only backers of the camps. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
According to another middle-ranking Taliban commander, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
breaking his silence for the first time. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
Still fighting under the name of Najib, | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
he joined the insurgency eight years ago. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
I was in the camp for a month. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
They were giving us practical training in whatever weapons we specialised in. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:10 | |
I was trained to fire RPGs. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
The instructors were from Al-Qaeda. We were all Al-Qaeda. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:23 | |
They were preaching about the importance of jihad, | 0:49:23 | 0:49:28 | |
and suicide bombers were taken to a different section and were kept apart from us. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:32 | |
Those who were taught to be suicide bombers were there. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
The CIA were becoming aware of the scale of the Taliban training camps | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
and the fact that Al-Qaeda were talent-spotting potential suicide bombers. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:48 | |
What we were seeing was people, for example kids from Britain, kids from North America, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:53 | |
showing up in little training compounds in the tribal areas. | 0:49:53 | 0:49:58 | |
In some cases you might have Al-Qaeda running them. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
I'm talking about the core group of Al-Qaeda people | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
who were charged with training and sending people | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
into western Europe and North America. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
In the winter of 2004, two young British men | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
made the long journey to Pakistan to be trained for jihad. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
While there, they were singled out by Al-Qaeda, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
who decided they would be more useful to the jihadi cause | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
if they returned home to conduct operations there. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
'Emergency?' | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
'Hi, there's a bus just exploded outside, in Tavistock Square, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
'just outside my window. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
'There's people lying on the ground and everything. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:42 | |
'There's a London bus, it's a 30, I think, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
'but there's people dead and everything, by the looks of it.' | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
On 7/7, I was in my office in Whitehall in the Cabinet Office | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
and I received notification of explosions in the London Underground | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
and, obviously, this was not an accident, this was obviously... | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
Britain was under attack. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
The intelligence reports soon revealed the bombers' visits to the training camps in Pakistan. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:12 | |
Over a number of years, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:13 | |
I'd been monitoring international terrorist activity, | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
not just in the UK but around the globe, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
and I'd seen, in virtually every case, links back to Pakistan, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
so it didn't come in any way as a surprise to find | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
that terrorists operating in the UK | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
were being directed by Al-Qaeda leaders in Pakistan. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
The British also suspected the role of Pakistani intelligence in the training camps. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:38 | |
The ISI, of course, must take responsibility | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
for the fact that some of these camps were still up and running, | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
including, perhaps, the camp that was responsible for training the 7/7 attackers. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:49 | |
The new influx of suicide bombers trained in the camps | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
soon made their presence felt on the ground in Afghanistan too. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
The numbers on suicide attacks... | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
2003 in Afghanistan - there were two suicide attacks, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
2004 - five suicide attacks, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
2005 - 17 suicide attacks in Afghanistan. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
Those are the three primary years I was there. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
The following year in '06 - there were 139 suicide attacks. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
MAN SCREAMS | 0:52:36 | 0:52:39 | |
That leads me to suspect that our friends in Pakistan | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
may have decided to re-energise the Taliban | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
so that they would have a proxy force in whatever was going to happen after the Americans were gone. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:54 | |
But the Americans, too, must shoulder some responsibility for the resurgent Taliban. | 0:52:54 | 0:53:00 | |
In the years after 9/11, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
the Americans had shown little interest in rebuilding Afghanistan, | 0:53:13 | 0:53:17 | |
which helped the Taliban to take root and prosper. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
Then, in 2005, just as the Taliban was becoming an effective fighting force, | 0:53:24 | 0:53:29 | |
the Americans decided to hand over military control to NATO. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
The Americans wanted to concentrate on Iraq instead. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
The decision was to have momentous consequences, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
as the Taliban sensed an opportunity and stepped up their attacks. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
The night before I went back into one particular area - | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
this was in Helmand Province in the spring of 2006 - | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
a friend of mine came and knocked on my door | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
and said, "Look, Mike, as your friend, as your classmate, | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
"I'm begging you not to go in there. We are literally seeing hundreds | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
"and hundreds and hundreds of fighters pouring in from Pakistan | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
"and it is not what you think it is any more." | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
And he was truly concerned for my life. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
And it turned out to be a very legitimate concern. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
There were many times when I didn't know if I was going to live. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:34 | |
We experienced insurgents crossing the border | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
within very close proximity of Pakistani military posts. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
We experienced both artillery and rocket fire from the other side of the border, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:48 | |
that the Pakistanis didn't respond to. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
We were experiencing 200/300/400-man ambushes. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
These we're very sophisticated three-sided ambushes, | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
particularly along the Helmand River valley. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
Things as sophisticated as floating barges with RPG and mortar teams, | 0:55:02 | 0:55:08 | |
multiple layers of mortar, artillery and heavy machine guns. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
It was definitely a turn for the worse | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
in both the security situation but also the insurgents' capabilities. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:21 | |
Major Mike Waltz, who had spent two years in the field, | 0:55:21 | 0:55:26 | |
during which time the Taliban attacks on coalition troops had more than doubled, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
now returned to Washington in 2006 as an adviser to the Pentagon on the Afghan desk. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:35 | |
My message coming back to Washington, | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
particularly on the state of the Taliban, | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
was that the insurgency had reconstituted, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
the security situation was getting appreciably worse | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
and that if we didn't adopt a different strategy, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
namely a counter-insurgency strategy and the resources to back it, | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
that the situation was just going to continue to decline. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
And yet this harsh appraisal | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
and the critical role of Pakistan didn't shape British thinking. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:05 | |
As part of the new NATO-led campaign, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
the British set off for Helmand Province in southern Afghanistan, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:13 | |
believing this was a peacekeeping and reconstruction mission. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:17 | |
We certainly didn't have a good handle on that at the time | 0:56:17 | 0:56:20 | |
and I don't think that the decision to go into Helmand | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
was informed by intelligence. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
That then turned out to be a mistake. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
Without the support that Pakistan gives, without providing a safe haven | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
and also physical support and in some cases direction, | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
I don't think the Taliban could have operated | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
and built themselves up in the way they did. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
-Nobby! -White house, three building. -On that target! | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
Almost immediately, the British troops found themselves in the most brutal and intense combat | 0:56:52 | 0:56:56 | |
the army had seen for decades. | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
Last burst, last burst. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
At times, they were in danger of being overrun. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
Nobby! Nobby! | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
Probably, the first fatalities when I was there | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
was three guys that were attached to the company | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
were killed one night and that, obviously... | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
really brings it home. Quite a sobering sense. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
Rapid...fire. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
This isn't what were supposed to be doing, defending places. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
We're supposed to be having a positive effect, | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
not being tied down exchanging fire with Taliban. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
What was by now unmistakable to the West | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
was that Pakistan's complicity with the Taliban | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
was costing British lives. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
By 2006, it was abundantly clear | 0:57:48 | 0:57:52 | |
that the Pakistani intelligence service | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
was orchestrating the revival of the Afghan Taliban. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
And, to me, that was the moment when it was clear we'd been double-dealt. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:02 | |
We'd had our suspicions before then but in 2006 it was unequivocal. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:07 | |
The Afghan Taliban were back, | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
they were surging across southern Afghanistan | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
and they could only do that if they had the support of the Pakistani intelligence service. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
Next time on Secret Pakistan, The double-cross is discovered... | 0:58:20 | 0:58:25 | |
..America strikes back | 0:58:26 | 0:58:29 | |
but Pakistan's help to the Taliban continues. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
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