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I'm going to stick a knight here, it takes it off, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
it takes the bishop. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
So we took it off this bishop... | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
..and he's threatening this pawn... | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
I'm going to do this right away, play here first. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
Now he took the bishop. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
'Bobby Fischer is one of the greatest, perhaps the greatest chess player in the world.' | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
Now to the rook. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
'Bobby Fischer, United States, world title contender.' | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
Now, er, black surprised him with this move. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
'Bobby Fischer is an isolated man'. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
'Bobby Fischer's a strange man, people think there's something wrong with the man.' | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
The king moves, takes the queen... | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
'The great Bobby Fischer is here tonight.' | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
'Like a child, not a champion.' | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
'His social life is a vacuum.' | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
'The most arrogant man you're ever likely to meet.' | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
He takes back, it's checked. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
'Looking for Bobby Fischer...' | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
'Whatever happened to Bobby Fischer?' | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
Threaten this pawn and it's a lost game. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
'Bobby Fischer is searching for asylum.' | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
'It's Fischer against the world.' | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
And here, white resigned. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:18 | |
Bobby Fischer interview. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Right. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
Try not to tense up. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
Bobby, you've given virtually your entire life to the world of chess. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
What about Bobby Fischer, the man? | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
What's he like? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
I don't know. Er... | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Chess and me, it's hard to take them apart, you know? | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
It's just like my alter ego, you know. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
I don't really do anything else. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
But there are times when you get away from that chessboard, what do you do? | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
I don't do too much. I'm really tied up with chess. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
I intend to expand but firstly, I get the title, basically. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
Bobby, what does it take to make a good chess player? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
Talent, skill, patience, you have to study a lot, work. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
-What would your ultimate aim be? -I'd like to be world champion | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
-and keep it for maybe 20 years or so? -20 years! | 0:02:32 | 0:02:38 | |
Fischer is to chess what Muhammad Ali is to boxing. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
CHANTING | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
-Can Fischer beat the Russian? -Yes, Fischer will beat the Russian. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
-You honestly think that you probably are the world's greatest chess player? -Right. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:03 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:03:03 | 0:03:04 | |
In the 18-month period | 0:03:04 | 0:03:05 | |
in the run-up to his challenge to Boris Spassky, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
Fischer had beaten, and some cases, destroyed, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
some of the best Soviet players. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
Fischer was wiping away his opposition like flies. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
He went on a 20-game winning streak which was unheard of | 0:03:21 | 0:03:27 | |
in championship chess. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
Bobby Fischer was exciting not only the chess world, but the world. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
There's trouble in Northern Ireland. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Henry Kissinger is shuttling to and from Vietnam. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
And, against that competition, the chess dominates. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
Moscow today, the Soviet Chess Federation | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
called an angry news conference to denounce Bobby Fischer... | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
General Motors recalls 500,000 Chevrolet Vegas | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
and Bobby Fischer... | 0:03:55 | 0:03:56 | |
..true to his recent erratic behaviour... | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
..finished off Tigran Petrosian of the Soviet Union, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
a former world champion, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
is the best news story of the day. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
The victory gave Fischer the right to play the world's champion, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
Boris Spassky, another Russian, next spring. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
We all had hopes, we all wanted him to be world chess champion. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
The one person he was yet to beat was Boris Spassky. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
You said it's your title the Russians are holding. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
You don't like the Russians? | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
The Russians have cheated at chess, they find every way to avoid me, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
to avoid giving me a chance for a match. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
And they have slandered my name, and you know, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
they just get afraid of me, they have been for years. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
-That's the true story. -And now you're going to get them? | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
Well, now I'm going to try to get them, yeah! | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
The Soviets had been winning these tournaments | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
and I thought it would be good for America, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
for democracy, to have an American winner. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
The stakes really couldn't be much higher, politically, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
popularly, in people's minds. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
These were two enemies, who were not fighting a real war | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
but were trying to outdo one another strategically all the time. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
'We will not tolerate being pushed around...' | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
'We have a desire and the material assets to deal with the Soviet Union.' | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
This little thing with me and Spassky, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
you know, with bombs coming out of the board... | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
One of the superpowers, the Soviet Union, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
had made chess its national sport. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
They had spent unlimited amounts of money, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
they had hundreds of grandmasters. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
They won every tournament, every chess olympiad. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
MAN TALKS AND SINGS IN RUSSIAN | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
For a communist regime, keeping the crown was very important, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
er, ideologically. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
The communist state took over chess to use it | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
as proof of intellectual superiority over decadent West. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
Everybody knew that the crown has to remain in the Soviet Union. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:36 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:06:49 | 0:06:50 | |
In the Soviet Union, everybody of talent was cultivated, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:56 | |
was given financial help, coaching. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
All the top players were privileged people. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
In the United States, we didn't have any of that. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
Every single one of us was on his own. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
And here came this lone American, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
combating the might of the Soviet chess machine. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
National prestige was at stake. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Officials recognised that he was representing not only him, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
but the entire free world. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
I think there was just too much on his shoulders. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
Can you tell us how old you are and where you're from? | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
-I'm 15, from Brooklyn. -He's 15 years old and he's from Brooklyn. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
-All right? -AUDIENCE MEMBER: Yeah! | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Will you show your headline to camera three and to Dick Clark | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
because we'll make him go to work on you! It says, "Teenager's strategy defeats all comers!" | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
-This strategy, did it involve the finances? -No. -Did you have any help? | 0:07:57 | 0:08:03 | |
-No. -Did it all by yourself. Did it make people happy? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Made me happy! | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
LAUGHTER, BUZZER | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
This young man's name is Bobby Fischer | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
and already, he is the United States Chess Champion! | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
He is 15 years old and he has defeated the masters, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
he is the United States champion in chess. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
I met Bobby when I was 14 and he was 8, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
in one of the chess clubs in Manhattan. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
He was the youngest kid around. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
He was unassuming, he was well-mannered, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
he was a nice kid. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
His mother, Regina, she was a woman who had to work two jobs, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
single mum, supporting two children, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Bobby and Joan. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
Regina was really the genius of the family. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
She spoke quite a number of languages, | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
including Russian. She worked as a telegraph operator, a nurse, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
a welder, she actually got a PhD in haematology as well. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
She was an activist, she was a communist. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
The FBI files on her are quite extensive. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
His mother was hounded by the FBI | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
because they thought she was possibly a Soviet spy. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
This was a period when few communists were acquitted. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
So, his mother denied his Jewishness. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
His mother told him... He would be sitting on the stoop, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
somebody would come up to him and ask him a question, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
he'd say, "I have nothing to say to you." | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
That was the proper answer that his mother told him to say. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
You're from Brooklyn originally? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:51 | |
Chica... Well, born in Chicago, moved to Brooklyn when I was about six, so lived on the coast... | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
Were you playing chess by then? | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
I learned in New York. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
At what age? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
-Six. -When did you start to get serious about chess? | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
About when I was maybe seven! | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
If you can think back to your childhood and all the things you did | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
after school and on the weekends, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
and imagine just filling all that in with chess study, chess lessons, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
chess practice, chess competition. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
Sure, Bobby Fischer starts with a very exceptional mind. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
But genius is not only about a particular innate gift for X, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
genius is about a desire to do X. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
It's about a willingness to sacrifice. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
It's about an ability to develop that kind of obsessive interest | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
in perfecting one's ability to do some task. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
People who've studied expertise have looked at classical music composers, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
at surgeons, at chess players, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
interested in figuring out what do high achievers have in common. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
They have always, almost without exception, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
put in 10,000 hours of deliver of practice first. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
That love component is such an enormous part of the achievement | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
of any kind of genius | 0:11:28 | 0:11:29 | |
because if it's dutiful, there's no way you can be that obsessive about it. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
There was nothing else he would rather do. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
I started playing games with myself. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
'I would make the white moves and the black moves...' | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
Threaten this pawn... | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
'..play through the whole game and eventually I'd checkmate the other guy.' | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
I almost always won! | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
'..white comes out with the knight...' | 0:11:54 | 0:11:55 | |
Then my mother started to get worried that it wasn't healthy, | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
playing chess by myself all the time. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
'Now, black surprise with this...' | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Regina was so worried that she decided to take him to a psychiatrist | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
and the psychiatrist said, "Don't worry, there are worse things to be obsessed by than chess." | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
Everybody said to him, "What happened?" | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
He said, "One day, I just got good." | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
He was suddenly out of everyone else's league | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
and everybody knew it. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
Fischer would open a chess magazine, like this... | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
He would open it like this, "Hmmm, OK, here... | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
"here...OK, here... | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
"OK, here..." | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Now, it looks like he's just looking at the pictures, that's what you think he's doing. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
No, he's not doing that. He's playing through the entire game in his head | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
in a few seconds, every move. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
He went from being my peer in chess | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
to being the United States Chess Champion. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
A quantum leap. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
That's when he first became famous. This is 1958. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
No chess player ever made much money in those days. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
My father basically arranged an exhibition tour for him, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
in which he went from city to city, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
playing anywhere from 40 to 80 people at a time. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
I don't know how much he got, maybe 5 a board. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Regina decided that this was a way to the big time. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
She'd call me up and say, "I want Bobby to go on Channel Two | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
"on Sunday, and he won't do it if I ask him, so I want you to tell him!" | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
He just wanted to learn the game and she really wanted him to get publicity. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
Fame is definitely a mixed blessing. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
Almost everybody would admit that at some point in their life, they'd wished they had it. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
Once it starts, it's fun, and the fun quickly wears off | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
when you want to be alone, in private and public, if that's ever possible. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
But also, it's horrendous on the psyche for the young, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
because it totally destroys their world. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
He had all these people around who wanted a piece of him, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
if they only wanted to be in his glow. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
And people have all kinds of motives, not always in his favour. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
They're trying to make money out of him, be associated with him, they're talking behind his back. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:53 | |
He couldn't stand that, particularly he couldn't stand the press | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
because he was such an individual, | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
he was an ideal object for caricature. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
-Do you watch television? -No, not much. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
-Why? -I don't know, I read that you get a little radiation from them. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
I don't know, I've talked with a few scientist friends of mine, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
they say you do, you get a little bit. They don't think it's dangerous. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
What kind of magazines do you like? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:26 | |
My favourite magazine is Confidential, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
I read that all the time. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:30 | |
Why do you like that? | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
They've got a lot of the inside stories | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
on things like water pollution, it's pretty interesting. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
I like, read up on that, a lot of things the government is concealing. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
'Fischer looked at the world his own way.' | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
Bobby was not socialised the way the rest of us were. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
Every idea he had virtually had to come to him through his own thinking. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:57 | |
In these days, he was unusual | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
but he hadn't gone off the deep end yet. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Boxing champions have been coming to the Catskill Mountains of New York | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
for almost half a century to get in shape. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
But does a chess champion need to train physically? | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
Take a look behind that window, into the training headquarters of Bobby Fischer. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:24 | |
Championship chess is a physically exhausting game. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
More than just a test of mind and will, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
it is a contest of physical endurance too. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
VOICE ON TV: Stretch! And rest... | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Bobby is 29 and he lives virtually a monastic life. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
He lives alone, always in hotel rooms that seem barely larger than chessboards. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:48 | |
A lot of the time, he won't even answer his telephone. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
The television set is his window on the world. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Exercise is part of it. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
I'm a world-class, Olympic-level coach. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
I'm also a world champion in the bench press | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
and I've trained a lot of celebrities | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
but no-one can match the fabulous Bobby Fischer. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
He was interested in the human body, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
how it performed and how it could be more productive. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
He said, "I want you to work on my grip. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
"See this dynamometer? | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
"I want to squeeze this thing all the way to the end." | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
I said, "The world's strongest man has not squeezed 100kg." | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
He said, "I'll squeeze 105." | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
I said, "Why?" | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
"When I shake that little Russian's hand, I want him to feel it!" | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
I started him off with a little swimming, racquetball which we were quite good at, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
a little weight training. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
I said, "Repeat this after me... | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
"I'm a winner! I'm a champion! I'm not a loser!" | 0:17:49 | 0:17:55 | |
He says, "Why did you put the loser in there? You know I'm a champion!" | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
Bobby is probably the most interesting person I've ever photographed. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
There he is, there's Bobby. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
And he said, "I need to hold my breath like this, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
"and it's..." You know, it was good for his training. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
He was in training for Spassky. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
He asked me what other jobs do I do. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
I told him, "I've just finished one on the New York Jets." | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
The Jets, he thought that was marvellous. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
He wanted to hear about all it, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
how they train, and he said, "I've got to train like that as well." | 0:18:35 | 0:18:41 | |
MUSIC: "Get It On" by Marc Bolan and T-Rex | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
And he didn't mind anything I did. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
But it could have gone either way. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
He treated everybody else...quite awful. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
'Bobby Fischer is a stubborn young man. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
'Sometimes he fights for principle, more often just for himself. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
'He'll refuse to play a match because his special terms aren't met | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
'and for the past month, he's been giving fits to the International Federation too - | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
'not enough money for the winner of the world title, he says.' | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
There was bidding on the match. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
And Iceland got it, I guess, because they put up the highest bid. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
Bobby didn't want to play, he said, "The country is too small, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
"they don't have the facilities, they don't have communication." | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
The International Chess Federation wants word by tomorrow morning | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
from Fischer on whether he's agreeable to 24 games in Iceland. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Fischer is taking his time answering. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
You, as president of the Icelandic Chess Federation, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
are there times you've been tempted to say, "Let's forget all about it"? | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
As you know, we are organising a chess match | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
and our only wish is to enrich the chess world. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:52 | |
'They had all these lawyers' | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
and they were raising demands all the time. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
But at the same time, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
it was never clear whether Fischer would come to Iceland. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
The principle one was the prize money. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
And I said, "We have already settled the money question | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
"and we will not be ready to discuss that." | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
There was a real possibility that the match wouldn't take place. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
One has to remember with Fischer that he'd dropped out of tournaments before. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
This was no bluff necessarily. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
He's going, he's not going, then he told me he was going. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
He moved quietly, he put his hands on my shoulders and says, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
"I'm going to Iceland, Harry." | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
You know, it was... And the next thing I would read in the paper would be...he's not going! | 0:20:43 | 0:20:49 | |
But Bobby wouldn't sign it. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
And then Bobby disappeared. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
'Boris Spassky, the World Chess Champion, came to Iceland | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
'12 days before the match, scheduled to start Sunday. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
'Spassky said he wanted time to get used to the place, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
'without, incidentally, being constantly molested by newsmen. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
'Bobby Fischer was also sensitive about being photographed, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
'sensitive to the point that he kept not showing up.' | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
He was sitting in Pasadena, California, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
and my job, my personal mission, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
was to get Bobby to go to Iceland and play the World Championship match. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
But I didn't see any activity, I didn't see any plane ticket. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:57 | |
I said, "Bobby, I have to go to New York, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
"my dad is sick, let's travel together. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
"You'll be that much closer to Iceland." | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
He said, "Yeah, I think that's a good idea, travel with a friend, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:13 | |
"yeah, OK." | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
I was getting him closer to where he had to go. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
We took him to Kennedy airport, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
we were headed for the Icelandic airline's counter. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Somehow, a Daily News photographer spied him. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
And Bobby started running. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
He wasn't just running, he was sprinting. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
I turned around and I stopped, I put my hands up. I didn't say anything. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:45 | |
And Bobby kept running, right out of the airport | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
to the kerbside limousine and got in and left the airport. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
Where to? Nobody knew. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
It was only three days before the scheduled start of the match. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
Chess history was in the balance... | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
I said, "You could stay at my parents' home in Douglaston, Long Island." | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
MAN SHOUTS | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
Don't think the bell works. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
BELL RINGS | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
It works. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
Hi, where are you? | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Bobby was staying at Saidy's house. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
And Saidy's father was dying of cancer at the time, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
I don't know whether he told you that. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
They were trying their best to get Fischer on that plane to Iceland. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
At one point, Saidy said, "You know, er, my father's dying." | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
And Bobby said, "That's OK, I don't mind." | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
They could not dislodge him from that house. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
This was probably the most stressful week of my life. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
-REPORTER: -'Are you Dr Saidy?' -'Yes, I am.' | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
Mr Fischer made it clear he would try to go to Iceland tonight, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
-did he express these thoughts to you? -Made it clear to whom? | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
We talked to a few people, they had the impression he was going. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Everybody can have impressions but the only person who knows what Bobby Fischer is going to do | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
is Bobby Fischer. That's about all I really want to say. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
-Er... -I want you to all keep cool. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
'At one point, during his stay at our home,' | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
he simply said, "It's over, I'm not going." | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
'Still no sign of Bobby Fischer. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
'Today, the International Chess Federation postponed by 48 hours' | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
the start of the match, but it said if Fischer is not in Iceland | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
by noon on Tuesday, he will be disqualified. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
Mr Thorarinsson, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
if I may ask, are you worried? | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
No... | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
I just wondered if you've ever seen Mr Fischer, if you have any proof he actually exists? | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
That's a good question! | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
Yes, I think, gentlemen, we can agree on the point | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
that Mr Fischer exists. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
We were losing the whole thing. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
We had to get Fischer to come to Iceland. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
The Soviet Union had the feeling | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
that the World Chess Champion was humiliated. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
They wanted to call Spassky back to the Soviet Union. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
Boris said to me, "This is a very serious situation. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
"You have to solve this on a higher level." | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
Gudmunder Thorarinsson, he asked the prime minister of Iceland | 0:25:55 | 0:26:01 | |
to call Kissinger. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Fischer was very reluctant to go and I placed a call to him and said, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:09 | |
"Go." | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
The United States of America wanted Bobby to go there | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
and win the world title. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
By that time, James Slater, the British multimillionaire, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
had already doubled the purse, so Fischer's answer to Kissinger | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
was "Yes, I've decided to play." | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
What finally did make you decide to go, then? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
I feel that the prestige of this country is at stake. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
Some people have suggested this was psychological warfare against Spassky on your part. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
Did that figure into it? | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
No, uh-uh. I don't believe in psychology, I believe in good moves. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
'Bobby Fischer left New York for Iceland | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
'and what a scene that was on the morning of July the 4th.' | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
Nothing like this has happened in Iceland before. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
You try to describe the impact on the citizens here of Reykjavik, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
it's probably about the same as if the promoters of the next Joe Frazier-Muhammad Ali prize-fight | 0:27:10 | 0:27:17 | |
decided to stage their international extravaganza in Butte, Montana. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
One observer said the chess match was turning into the biggest thing to hit Iceland since Eric the Red. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:26 | |
Though some people were still mad at Fischer, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
others approve of his holdout for more money. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
Well, he was fighting for all the chess players over the world. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
He's tedious, he's arrogant, he's inconsiderate. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
Basically people think that there's something wrong with the man. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
CHEERING AND SHOUTING | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
I became his bodyguard. It was a big moment for me, you know. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
I was more of his friend than a bodyguard. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
He was quite a character, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
you know? He could be gentle | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
but he could be like a volcano, sometimes. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
It was better to know when to speak and when to keep quiet. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:29 | |
Finally, Bobby showed up in Iceland. Now, is he going to really play for the World Championship? | 0:28:32 | 0:28:38 | |
'It's been a long road for Fischer to this game.' | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
And it will be a long match at the end of that road. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
Both he and Spassky have to play 24 games. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
The match could last up to two months, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
each game runs to five hours. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
The most intellectually exhausting battle known to the mind of man - | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
the World Chess Championship. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
We had the Icelandic government, the Icelandic president, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
the ambassador of the Soviet Union, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
the ambassador of the United States and many foreign guests. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
The theatre was full. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
Regularly scheduled programmes will not be seen at this time, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
so we may bring you the following sports special. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
ABC Sports presents the World Chess Championship match, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
between Boris Spassky, the defending champion from the Soviet Union, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
and 29-year-old Bobby Fischer, the challenger from the United States. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
It was the Super Bowl. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
The audiences were gigantic. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
People stayed home from work. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
People were lining up in front of TV sets in department stores, there were chess groupies. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
In Times Square, they were showing the game live! | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
It was that important! | 0:29:53 | 0:29:54 | |
'Let's find out from you if there are any late-breaking developments.' | 0:29:54 | 0:29:59 | |
'They might fuss around with the chess pieces and the lighting, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
'but I'm fairly confident the match will start on time.' | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
Boris Spassky, the World Chess Champion, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
was there with all his assistants... | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
..but Fischer was not here. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
CLOCK TICKS | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
'The clock has now been started, it was officially five o'clock in Reykjavik. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
'Spassky is obviously anxious about the whereabouts of Mr Fischer.' | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
Bobby was nowhere to be seen. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
And all of us despaired. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
'If Fischer doesn't show up by the time one hour has elapsed, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
'he forfeits the game automatically. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
'Oh, there he goes now, he's just played one pawn to queen four.' | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
'You saw Spassky make his move then he touched his clock | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
'which turns his clock off but turns his opponent's clock on. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
'So Fischer's time is now ticking.' | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
There was no certainty that even though | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
this was the biggest match of his life, | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
he would actually show up. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
Many people think that his antics were designed | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
to upset Spassky, to discombobulate Spassky, which they did, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
but I don't think that was their intent. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
I don't think any of this was directed against Spassky, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
it was his own inner demons he was fighting. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
'Unpredictable Bobby Fischer...' | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
'Nobody knows why Bobby Fischer does or does not do anything.' | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
'The most individualistic, intransigent, uncommunicative, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
'solitary chess master of all time.' | 0:31:43 | 0:31:44 | |
'He has no permanent home.' | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
-'Fischer is a nomad.' -'Speaks to almost no-one.' | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
-'No contact with his family.' -'Troubled childhood...' | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
'He hasn't seen his mother in over ten years.' | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
Is your mother still living? Do you get a chance to see her much? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
I haven't seen her in a few years. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
What about your father? | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
No, I don't see him. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
Are they living together? | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
No... | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
'"I never talk about my father," that's what Fischer said.' | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
This was what lead me to realise | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
there is something special about his father that nobody else knew. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
Regina Fischer has a 900-page FBI file | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
and one of the things it reveals is that | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
Bobby Fischer's father was not Gerhardt Fischer, as had been | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
supposed and as the family had allowed to be known. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
In fact, Bobby Fischer's father was a man named Paul Nemenyi. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
Gerhardt Fischer, who was officially listed on the birth certificate, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
never came to America. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
Regina and Paul Nemenyi met at a university near Denver | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
and they had an affair. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
Regina moved on and took the baby Bobby with her. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
Regina often, because she was destitute and needed help, | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
would go to social service agencies and ask for help. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
Paul Nemenyi would show up and consult with the social workers | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
because he was very concerned about Bobby. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
He said that Bobby, even at a very young age, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
was a very upset child, he was afraid he wasn't being raised right. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
Later, when Bobby moved to New York City, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
Paul would come and take him out to restaurants and would admonish him | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
for having bad table manners. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
And would basically act towards him in the way that a father would. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
SCREAMING | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
One day, Bobby asked his mother, "Where's Paul? | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
"Why isn't he coming around any more?" | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
When Nemenyi died, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:44 | |
that's when his mother told him he was his real father. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
He learned about her only about the time he was nine years old. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
Chess, to him, was the ultimate escape, | 0:33:54 | 0:34:00 | |
his single obsession. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
'Well, Spassky is waiting.' | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
'Right, waiting and wondering whether Bobby will show or not show. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
'And there's absolutely dead silence in the hall.' | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
'Spassky's pacing, he's nervous...' | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
'Wait! Here comes Fischer, coming on to stage saying he was caught in traffic, and, er... | 0:34:31 | 0:34:36 | |
'and I think Spassky's visibly relieved.' | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
'And also perhaps pained.' | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
It didn't look like this match would happen but finally it happened | 0:34:41 | 0:34:46 | |
and it was phenomenal! | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
How do you spell "relief", OK? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
'Now, for the first time, we're looking at Bobby Fischer, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
'the man that eight times has won the United States Open Championship...' | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
I remember saying on TV at one point during the match, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
"We're really lucky to be alive at this moment when Bobby Fischer is playing Boris Spassky." | 0:35:00 | 0:35:05 | |
'There's his first move, one knight to king bishop three. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
'Very noncommittal.' | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
'Now watch, see Fischer turn around here? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
'He's checking to see that camera location. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
'And now he goes over, to protest those cameras being there.' | 0:35:24 | 0:35:30 | |
'There's Lothar Schmid in the background.' | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Bobby said, "I feel disturbed. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
"I cannot have that, please!" | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
'Spassky remains serene and imperturbable throughout all this.' | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
The first game started out with some minor psychological games | 0:35:51 | 0:35:57 | |
in the opening but then it calmed down | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
and the position they reached after 28 moves | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
seemed like a complete draw, seemed like they're going to agree to a draw shortly | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
and move on to the next game. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
All the pieces were traded, they got into an end game, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
each side had a bishop and a bunch of pawns. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
It was very easy, it was a dead draw, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
the position reached, a very even position, very symmetrical. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
And Fischer went haywire. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
He did something that hardly anyone would do except a rank amateur. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:31 | |
He grabbed a pawn, allowing his bishop to be trapped. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:36 | |
He made a colossal beginner's blunder. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
He took a pawn, which allowed Spassky to trap his bishop. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
We couldn't believe it. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:44 | |
This looks like an error but this is Fischer playing the move, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
there must be more to it than that, there must be an explanation. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
There must be some deep combination that we've missed. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
Bobby saw six moves ahead here, when he made the move. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
He just didn't see seven moves ahead. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
White can interpolate a move, he can play bishop to queen two. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Notice that that cuts off the escape square. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
All that white has to do on the next move is play king to knight two, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
and the bishop is lost. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
That was the shot heard around the world. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
It was inexplicable. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
I still don't know how that happened. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
Spassky won the first game. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
He had to get 12 and a half points, the best of 24. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
A win is one, a loss is zero and a draw is one half. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
He had an agreement that the cameras be quiet. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
And Bobby said, "They aren't quiet and they disturb me." | 0:38:07 | 0:38:12 | |
He claimed that the noise from the machines | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
was so high that he couldn't, you see, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
he couldn't think or concentrate. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
I believe that, by the way. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
I think that he had hyperacusis, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
a medical condition characterised by excessive sensitivity to noise. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:36 | |
Fischer said he would boycott the match until hidden movie cameras | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
were removed from the playing hall. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
The promoters said the entire financial structure of the match | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
depends on recording and exhibiting the play. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
He asked to put the camera away. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
He wanted me to clear the cameras out of the hall. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
And I said, "No." | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
You have to start in time. If a player is not present, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:33 | |
you have to, as the arbiter, press his clock. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
CLOCK TICKS | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
Fischer had been known to quit matches over trivia | 0:39:42 | 0:39:47 | |
so we were afraid that he would just, you know, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
run back home and that would be the end of it. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Bobby did not show up. I had, as the arbiter, to forfeit him | 0:39:56 | 0:40:04 | |
and for a moment, I thought it, I made the right decision. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:09 | |
Was it fair? Was it correct? | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
But it was necessary, there was no other way. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:16 | |
This night, I remember that I have been woken up by tears in my eyes, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:22 | |
that I, as an arbiter, had to destroy a genius. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:28 | |
He was now trailing 2-0. Very hard to make that up in a 24-game match. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
Half the world thought, "That's it, the match is over, he'll never come back." | 0:40:39 | 0:40:46 | |
Why would he bother trying to come back from such a difficult situation? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:51 | |
During the match, he would knock on my door | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
about one or two in the morning | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
and we'd just walk and walk. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
We'd sit and look at the animals. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
He loved animals. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
And he would talk. But he didn't like to talk about his childhood. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:36 | |
It was a bad subject. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
He did tell me that from the age of two or three, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
he was left alone all day with his sister. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
The loneliness... | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
Regina, for all of her gifts, was not a traditional mother. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:55 | |
She was a person who moved her kids around, from place to place, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
even every few months when they were really little. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
There was obvious conflict between Regina and Bobby from an early age. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:08 | |
He didn't like to have his mother around, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
she would end up having to send his sister, Joan, abroad with him on tournaments. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
He wouldn't play if his mother was along. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
Regina moved out of the apartment that he shared with her | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
in Brooklyn, when he was only 16 years old. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
He told his mum to leave, I don't know how politely, and she left. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:34 | |
In a way, he rejected her because she was so like him. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:40 | |
So pushy, so self-centred... | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
So goal-directed. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
Maybe he was...splitting off part of himself. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:51 | |
1960, Regina went to Europe to get her MD degree. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
Bobby would have still been living in Lincoln Place in Brooklyn then. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
I went to his apartment a couple of times, it was roach-ridden, a walk-up tenement. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
He had chess books all over the place | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
and it was just in a complete state of disarray. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
The fact is, his mother left him. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
Think about it yourself, if suddenly your father wasn't there | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
and your mother disappeared. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
Said "goodbye". | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
How would you feel? | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
I wonder what would happen to you. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
Bobby is all chess. I don't play chess | 0:43:36 | 0:43:38 | |
and I don't pretend to speak for Bobby. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
But I feel that whatever I do here, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
whatever I say to help make the Vietnam come to an end more quickly | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
will help every son, every daughter in the whole world. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
ALL: One, two, three, four, sign the treaty, end the war! | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
One, two, three, four, sign the treaty, end the war! | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
One, two, three, four, sign the treaty... | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
You're not going to believe this... | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
Fischer said, "I'll continue but the third game has got to be away | 0:44:18 | 0:44:22 | |
"from the auditorium, inside a sealed room, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
"there's a little ping-pong room at the back of the stage." | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
And Spassky agreed. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
You can't change the location without both sides' permission, | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
once a match has started. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
He could have claimed the match on a forfeit. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
He didn't have to play in that back room. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
If he hadn't, Fischer would have not played | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
and the match would not have continued. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
Bobby started again to quarrel. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
"No, not this one! and not that!", etc. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
And Boris said in this moment, "So I retire. I do not want this. | 0:44:54 | 0:45:00 | |
"This is too much for me. If so, we end the match." | 0:45:00 | 0:45:06 | |
The two boys were standing together at the table | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
and I took them here, both. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
Pressed them down in the stools. "Now will you play?" | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
Boris automatically made his first move. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
The game could still be watched by a closed-circuit TV camera. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:33 | |
The audience was in the hall | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
and they could follow the game move by move. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
In game three, Bobby played an opening, a defence, he had never played before - | 0:45:50 | 0:45:56 | |
the "Benoni", which means "son of sorrow". | 0:45:56 | 0:46:01 | |
It is so risky, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
so fraught with danger, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
that, whenever you play that, you're simply saying, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:13 | |
"We're not going to make a draw. This is win or lose. This is a fight to the death." | 0:46:13 | 0:46:18 | |
Bobby moved his knight to the edge of the board. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
There's a saying in chess, "Ein Springer am Rand bringt Kummer und Schand". | 0:46:23 | 0:46:29 | |
"A knight on the side, I will not abide." It was against principle. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
It's not considered a good idea, because the centre of the board, typically, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
is the most important battleground and that's where we want to position our pieces, | 0:46:37 | 0:46:42 | |
or least in a way that our pieces attack the middle of the board. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:45 | |
Not only did he move the knight to the side, but also could have been captured by a bishop | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
and he would have had a very ugly-looking double pawn on one side. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
It was very unaesthetic, let's say. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
Ah, more tense than you've seen him? | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
He may what? I see. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
Spassky did not find the best continuation | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
and was consistently outplayed, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
until Fischer won his first game of his life against Spassky. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:40 | |
He was on the scoreboard. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:43 | |
-What do you think of Bobby Fischer? -I like him. I like his style. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
-Are you following the game? -Yes, I am. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
The American chess players are behind Bobby 100%, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
and they're all anxious to see him get in there and win the championship. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
Do you think that Fischer will win for the first time over the Russian champion? | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
I think Fischer will win because he's playing for 200,000. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
If Spassky wins, most of the money will go to the Russian government. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
People sat in bars betting on what the next moves was going to be | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
the way they bet on whether there was going to be a hit in a baseball game. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
That's when chess really exploded. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
-Tell me what turns you on about chess. -What? | 0:48:28 | 0:48:34 | |
-Do you hope to be as good as Bobby Fischer one day? -I hope so, but I doubt if I will be. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
-Why? -I just think Fischer's about the best player in the world, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
and not very many people can get to be as good as he is. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
We're watching the looming presence of Boris Spassky and Bobby Fischer, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
as sketched by LeRoy Neiman, noted artist and familiar face to the Wide World. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
LeRoy is here with me at the Wide World studio in New York | 0:48:57 | 0:49:01 | |
and he's going to be sharing some of his artistic impressions with us in just a minute. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
Larry, I thought watching a chess match would be like watching the grass curl. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:09 | |
-It was far more exciting than I expected it to be. -I thought it was exciting, too. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
It was just like the Ali-Frazier fight all over again. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
This is Bobby Fischer leaving the hotel for the fight, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
like a matador leaving the Palace Hotel in Madrid. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
Onstage, the tension is developing. It's a real prize fight. That's when Fischer's a fighter. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:29 | |
This right hand is like... and drew blood on Spassky. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
The score was even. Two and a half, two and a half. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:53 | |
Spassky was not himself. All these shenanigans | 0:49:54 | 0:49:59 | |
had affected him adversely. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
He was not playing his true game. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN: | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
They believed that the chairs had been wired and the lighting fixture | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
to destabilise Boris's concentration. That's when Boris cracked. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:56 | |
Spassky complained that | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
there was some radiation which was affecting him. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:05 | |
During the match I felt myself quite unusual, like before. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
So that was a reason to be for myself... | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
I'm not a suspicious man. ..To become suspicious. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
There might be something in the chair. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
There might be something on the surface of the chair. There might be something in the light. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:25 | |
They inspected the chairs and the lights | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
to see whether the Americans were up to some kind of hanky-panky. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:40 | |
They found two dead flies and that was it. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
Game six is very celebrated. It is probably the most reprinted game | 0:51:52 | 0:51:58 | |
of the entire match. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
It was like a symphony of placid beauty. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:05 | |
Right on the first move, Bobby Fischer came up with a major surprise to the entire world. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:14 | |
He almost always starts the game moving the pawn in front of his king two pawns up, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:21 | |
with e4. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN: | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
And in this game, everybody's shocked. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
He started with the English opening, by playing c4. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
Spassky's preparation was out the window. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
I'm sure he prepared for many things, but not this. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
Fischer did not play his usual game. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:57 | |
He played a different kind of game. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
A placid, positional, slowly-building-up game, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
where he deprives Spassky of mobility. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:09 | |
Pushed him back, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
where his pieces could not do anything. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
And it was just a beautiful game. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
I don't know what more can be said about it. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
It was just a model of precision. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
It was such a beautiful game | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
that when the crowd applauded at the end of the game, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
Spassky himself stood up and applauded Fischer. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:36 | |
On his way back to the hotel, Fischer said, "Did you see what Spassky did?" he said. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:42 | |
"That's a sportsman. He's a real sportsman." | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
Game 21 reached move 40. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
The move at which the game was adjourned for the two players to go study it. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:59 | |
This is NBC Nightly News, Friday, September 1st. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
Good evening. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
We'll have more on the developments in the Watergate bugging case. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
We'll hear George McGovern talking about tightening up his campaign organisation. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
And we'll have a look at the new unemployment figures. First, Bobby Fischer. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
Today was the day when Fischer and the Russian champion, Boris Spassky, | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
were to have finished the 21st game of the World Championship, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
a game they started yesterday, but Spassky, after what must have been an agonising night | 0:55:38 | 0:55:43 | |
spent analysing his position, didn't even show up to play. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
I was going to photograph Spassky in the morning. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
He came straight over to me, shook my hand and said, "There is another world champion. | 0:55:55 | 0:56:01 | |
"His name is Robert James Fischer." | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
I went back to the Lofteidir, to Bobby's room, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
and I told him, Spassky just retired. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
And I want to be the first to congratulate you. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
Congratulations! Tell us how you feel, babe. Tell us how you feel! | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
-I'll see you later. -Listen, will you talk to us, Bobby? | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
Bobby, roll the window down! | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
Bobby wanted to get away, cos they were banging on the door and all that. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:35 | |
Just to beat it, out into the hills. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
Someone brings up the New York Post and it says "Bobby Is The Champ!". | 0:56:41 | 0:56:47 | |
His mother has said to him, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
when she saw she couldn't separate him from chess, she said, "OK, go play chess. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
"When that's over you can start your life. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
"You can do something important." | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
NBC news correspondent Dick Schaap was in Iceland today and here is what Fischer said. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:23 | |
How does it feel now you have the World Championship, you're the best in the world? | 0:57:23 | 0:57:27 | |
How does it feel inside? | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
It feels pretty good, yeah. But my goal now is to play a lot more chess. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
I feel I haven't played enough chess. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
-How did it feel? Had you ever thought of anything like that? -No, I never, you know, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:54 | |
thought it was going to happen with chess. I hope it keeps on. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
I just had a premonition that something awful was going to happen to him. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:05 | |
I didn't know what it would be, but I didn't feel good about it. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:09 | |
One of Fischer's problems was that, after the match, | 0:58:09 | 0:58:13 | |
he was supposedly better known by the population of the world | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
than anyone except for Jesus Christ. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
And he was a guy who treasured his privacy. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
He had a problem. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
The entire world knows the name Bobby Fischer by now. | 0:58:37 | 0:58:41 | |
Was it a letdown after it was all over, Bobby? | 0:58:42 | 0:58:46 | |
I mean, there must have been a tremendous... | 0:58:46 | 0:58:49 | |
It was. I woke up the day after the thing was over | 0:58:49 | 0:58:52 | |
and I just felt different, like something was taken out of me. | 0:58:52 | 0:58:57 | |
He didn't really, after he won, know what he wanted to do with his life. | 0:59:11 | 0:59:16 | |
He reached an end point when he was 29. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:19 | |
He was 29 years old and he hadn't had a childhood. | 0:59:19 | 0:59:23 | |
Is it not true that chess masters are always young men? | 0:59:28 | 0:59:34 | |
And that they don't last? | 0:59:34 | 0:59:37 | |
That's true, generally speaking, but there are exceptions. | 0:59:37 | 0:59:40 | |
-Steinitz - he was 63 when he was World Champion. -But you're in a fortunate position. | 0:59:40 | 0:59:45 | |
Because most of us in life, no matter how successful we think we are, | 0:59:45 | 0:59:49 | |
we have to do what other people want us to do, just to hold jobs. | 0:59:49 | 0:59:52 | |
But you don't have to hold a job. You're on your own. It's a unique position. | 0:59:52 | 0:59:57 | |
That's right. You can't say, "If Fischer won't come, we'll get some other chess genius." | 0:59:57 | 1:00:02 | |
Bobby Fischer, the world champion chess player, | 1:00:07 | 1:00:09 | |
has until midnight tonight to decide whether to abide | 1:00:09 | 1:00:12 | |
by the international rules of chess or give up his title. | 1:00:12 | 1:00:15 | |
If Fischer defaults, the title would go to the challenger, Soviet grandmaster Anatoly Karpov. | 1:00:15 | 1:00:22 | |
He wanted, probably, to play the kid from Russia, Karpov... | 1:00:22 | 1:00:28 | |
And beat him. I mean, it would be an easy task. | 1:00:28 | 1:00:32 | |
On the other hand, part of him knew he could lose. | 1:00:32 | 1:00:37 | |
And that's death to Bobby. He didn't want to risk that. | 1:00:37 | 1:00:40 | |
So what came out was a series of new demands on the rules. | 1:00:40 | 1:00:46 | |
First of all, I like to play matches without draws. | 1:00:46 | 1:00:49 | |
And they have to increase the prizes if they want me to play... | 1:00:49 | 1:00:53 | |
Well, if they want me to play for the title. I'm not going to play for their minimum prizes. | 1:00:53 | 1:00:58 | |
Accepting all Fischer's demands | 1:01:00 | 1:01:02 | |
was unacceptable, politically, for the Soviet Chess Federation. | 1:01:02 | 1:01:06 | |
Baring a very unlikely last-minute change of heart by Fischer, | 1:01:06 | 1:01:09 | |
Anatoly Karpov becomes the new champion by default. | 1:01:09 | 1:01:13 | |
The world chess body gave him about 95% of what he wanted. | 1:01:13 | 1:01:17 | |
But that was it. He didn't defend his title. | 1:01:17 | 1:01:21 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 1:01:21 | 1:01:24 | |
INTERPRETER: I think he was unable to cope with his own invincibility. | 1:01:24 | 1:01:28 | |
He got more or less scared to sit down again in front of the board | 1:01:28 | 1:01:32 | |
and risk losing. | 1:01:32 | 1:01:35 | |
But only he who never plays never loses. | 1:01:35 | 1:01:38 | |
We all felt disappointed that he'd let chess down. | 1:01:40 | 1:01:43 | |
He'd let the American masters down. | 1:01:43 | 1:01:46 | |
Yeah, we all felt kind of a betrayal. | 1:01:48 | 1:01:51 | |
Others could suffer from creative depression after such debacle. | 1:01:51 | 1:01:56 | |
I went out to California on a job, phoned Bobby. | 1:01:56 | 1:02:00 | |
Picked him up in Pasadena at some cult place he was staying. | 1:02:00 | 1:02:06 | |
I've had so many bad experiences with... | 1:02:06 | 1:02:09 | |
He would talk about nuclear disarmament. | 1:02:09 | 1:02:12 | |
Our capabilities, ICBMs and that, you know? | 1:02:14 | 1:02:18 | |
And that would go on for about an hour and a half. | 1:02:18 | 1:02:21 | |
..The Worldwide Church of God. | 1:02:21 | 1:02:24 | |
Bobby had been involved with the Church of God since 1962. | 1:02:24 | 1:02:28 | |
And after he won the championship, the church was providing him with a place. | 1:02:28 | 1:02:33 | |
The Worldwide Church of God was a group of people that believed | 1:02:33 | 1:02:38 | |
in fundamental principles of the Bible. | 1:02:38 | 1:02:40 | |
Some people would probably call us fundamentalists. | 1:02:40 | 1:02:43 | |
..Will bring on the Great Tribulation and that will end in the Second Coming of Christ! | 1:02:43 | 1:02:48 | |
The end of this civilisation! | 1:02:48 | 1:02:50 | |
Basically, they said there was an impending coming Christ | 1:02:50 | 1:02:55 | |
and we needed to prepare for that Second Coming. | 1:02:55 | 1:02:57 | |
I told him it's all a bunch of hooey, but that's what he chose to do. | 1:02:57 | 1:03:03 | |
'I have warned, you may be living in the time in which you will see...' | 1:03:03 | 1:03:07 | |
I went to his apartment in Pasadena. | 1:03:07 | 1:03:09 | |
It seemed to me pretty hopeless. | 1:03:09 | 1:03:12 | |
He was extremely depressed. | 1:03:14 | 1:03:16 | |
We would get into these long discussions about the Bible. | 1:03:16 | 1:03:20 | |
Why are we here? What are we doing here? What is life? | 1:03:20 | 1:03:24 | |
That's when he started to go haywire. | 1:03:27 | 1:03:30 | |
He felt that he was being influenced by these Russians. | 1:03:31 | 1:03:34 | |
And he also was scared of the Mossad, Israeli secret police. | 1:03:34 | 1:03:38 | |
He felt that he could be easily spied upon through radioactivity | 1:03:43 | 1:03:46 | |
and other through means - fillings. | 1:03:46 | 1:03:49 | |
-He the Russians could send signals here. -Phones. | 1:03:49 | 1:03:53 | |
Tinfoil...over the windows. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:55 | |
Meteor, radioactive. | 1:03:55 | 1:03:59 | |
This is paranoia. | 1:03:59 | 1:04:01 | |
We tried, as church members, | 1:04:03 | 1:04:06 | |
to bring him in to a little more normal life. | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
I think he turned against the Worldwide Church of God | 1:04:09 | 1:04:13 | |
when one of its prophecies patently did not come to pass. | 1:04:13 | 1:04:18 | |
One - that in the last days of these times in which we're living, perilous times shall come. | 1:04:18 | 1:04:23 | |
Fischer felt betrayed. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:25 | |
He wrote a pamphlet attacking the church and Armstrong, its leader, | 1:04:25 | 1:04:29 | |
saying that nobody should ever control your mind. | 1:04:29 | 1:04:31 | |
I was never a member of the Church of God. Absolutely not true. It's a lie! | 1:04:31 | 1:04:36 | |
As he denied God, he began to get worse. | 1:04:36 | 1:04:41 | |
He started to go astray. | 1:04:45 | 1:04:48 | |
He started reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which he mentioned to me. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:53 | |
I said that book is a forgery and a hoax. It's anti-Semitic propaganda that even Hitler used. | 1:04:53 | 1:04:59 | |
'Protocol number one - what has restrained the wild beast we call men?' | 1:04:59 | 1:05:04 | |
He got into all these doctrines. | 1:05:04 | 1:05:06 | |
The Illuminati, all these different people that were going to take over the world. | 1:05:06 | 1:05:12 | |
'Protocol number nine - merciless revenge and bitter hatred. | 1:05:12 | 1:05:15 | |
'From us emanates, an all-embracing terror.' | 1:05:15 | 1:05:18 | |
We began to see less of Bobby. | 1:05:18 | 1:05:20 | |
We didn't want to expose our children to the famous uncle | 1:05:20 | 1:05:24 | |
who had become a fomenting anti-Semite. | 1:05:24 | 1:05:27 | |
Hitler said in Mein Kampf that the Jews are not the victims but they're the victimisers. | 1:05:27 | 1:05:32 | |
We could be having dinner and he would suddenly start, the Jews did this and the Jews did that. | 1:05:32 | 1:05:37 | |
And in our house it was just unacceptable. | 1:05:37 | 1:05:39 | |
They're actually making things happen in terms of killing people all over the world. | 1:05:39 | 1:05:45 | |
His mother was Jewish. His real father was Jewish. | 1:05:47 | 1:05:51 | |
It's complete madness. | 1:05:51 | 1:05:54 | |
The question is, how could a Jewish kid become an anti-Semite? | 1:05:54 | 1:06:00 | |
Paranoid psychosis. | 1:06:00 | 1:06:03 | |
He had false fixed ideas of a very widening conspiracy against him. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:09 | |
It was as if he were at war with himself. | 1:06:11 | 1:06:14 | |
He became a recluse. | 1:06:14 | 1:06:18 | |
Fischer watchers refer to it as the "wilderness years". | 1:06:18 | 1:06:22 | |
-Where's Bobby these days? -Oh, Bobby's at home. | 1:06:28 | 1:06:31 | |
-Where, in New York? -Well... | 1:06:31 | 1:06:33 | |
I don't think I want to get on to the subject of Bobby. You know how Bobby feels about it. | 1:06:33 | 1:06:39 | |
The last conversation we had enraged him. | 1:06:39 | 1:06:44 | |
If you don't play chess... | 1:06:45 | 1:06:48 | |
..there will soon come a time when no-one will ask you to play chess. | 1:06:49 | 1:06:54 | |
He thought that was unacceptable. | 1:06:54 | 1:06:58 | |
And that was the end of our relationship. | 1:06:58 | 1:07:01 | |
If you look throughout history | 1:07:06 | 1:07:08 | |
there have been a disproportionate number of extremely talented chess players | 1:07:08 | 1:07:13 | |
who've also had serious psychological issues. | 1:07:13 | 1:07:16 | |
You are putting yourself in a world that is infinite. | 1:07:16 | 1:07:20 | |
It's abstract. You are, in essence, reshaping your mind. | 1:07:20 | 1:07:26 | |
If you understand that, in the first move of a chess game, | 1:07:28 | 1:07:31 | |
each player has 20 possible moves. | 1:07:31 | 1:07:34 | |
If you multiply 20 by 20, that means there are 400 different possible chess positions | 1:07:34 | 1:07:39 | |
after the first move. | 1:07:39 | 1:07:42 | |
The tree becomes a lot of branches, you know? | 1:07:43 | 1:07:46 | |
You start with one move and on that there are several options. All of a sudden it is a jungle. | 1:07:46 | 1:07:52 | |
The number of all positions that can occur in the game of chess | 1:07:52 | 1:07:57 | |
is something like ten with 45 zeros. | 1:07:57 | 1:08:00 | |
It's like the number of atoms in the solar system. | 1:08:00 | 1:08:04 | |
You're trying to anticipate what your opponent might do and you don't know what he might do, | 1:08:04 | 1:08:10 | |
so you're thinking of all the different possibilities. | 1:08:10 | 1:08:13 | |
A good chess player is paranoid, on the board. | 1:08:13 | 1:08:17 | |
But then if you take that paranoia to real life, it doesn't play so well. | 1:08:17 | 1:08:23 | |
You end up seeing your real world according to the confines of chess. | 1:08:23 | 1:08:29 | |
The cancer had set in. | 1:08:32 | 1:08:34 | |
We like to think that chess didn't cause that, but maybe it did. | 1:08:34 | 1:08:40 | |
An individual with an unbalanced tendency, | 1:08:44 | 1:08:48 | |
by becoming a chess monomaniac, | 1:08:48 | 1:08:50 | |
will throw himself over the brink. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:53 | |
Yeah, we have some examples where people of exceptional abilities | 1:08:53 | 1:08:59 | |
were infected by this mental illness. | 1:08:59 | 1:09:02 | |
Viktor Korchnoi claimed to have played a match with a dead man. He even provided the moves. | 1:09:02 | 1:09:09 | |
Rubinstein jumped out the window cos the player was after him. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:13 | |
Steinitz was in an institution. | 1:09:13 | 1:09:17 | |
Steinitz in late life thought he was playing chess by wireless | 1:09:17 | 1:09:22 | |
with God Almighty AND had the better of God Almighty. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:27 | |
Carlos Torre took all his clothes off on a bus. | 1:09:28 | 1:09:31 | |
And the probably greatest name, the greatest impact on the game of chess in the 19th century, | 1:09:35 | 1:09:40 | |
belonged to an American player, Paul Morphy. | 1:09:40 | 1:09:43 | |
Unfortunately, there was some resemblance with Fischer. | 1:09:44 | 1:09:48 | |
Paul Morphy was an American player who stunned the world with his chess play. | 1:09:48 | 1:09:53 | |
And then, at age 26, he wandered the streets, aimlessly. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:58 | |
He muttered to himself. | 1:09:58 | 1:10:00 | |
He became a paranoid schizophrenic. | 1:10:00 | 1:10:03 | |
His tour in Europe in 1858, 1859, was one of the most unforgettable events in the history of chess. | 1:10:03 | 1:10:09 | |
And then Morphy stopped playing chess. | 1:10:09 | 1:10:12 | |
There are many similarities between Morphy and Fischer. | 1:10:13 | 1:10:17 | |
People are always going to equate their names together. | 1:10:17 | 1:10:21 | |
Both gave up the game at the height of their powers. | 1:10:21 | 1:10:23 | |
And disappeared into a world of neurosis and psychosis. | 1:10:23 | 1:10:30 | |
-Where DID Bobby Fischer go? -What happened to Bobby Fischer? | 1:10:37 | 1:10:41 | |
We spent countless hours prowling the streets | 1:10:41 | 1:10:44 | |
looking for him at chess clubs where he's been known to play. | 1:10:44 | 1:10:47 | |
Ultimately, the Now investigation was successful. | 1:10:47 | 1:10:51 | |
We found Bobby Fischer. The quest paid off. | 1:10:51 | 1:10:54 | |
In 1990, he shows up in Pasadena. | 1:10:55 | 1:10:58 | |
A little on the heavy side. | 1:10:58 | 1:11:01 | |
He handed me this letter. | 1:11:01 | 1:11:04 | |
"Mr Fischer, you are the Mozart of the chess world. | 1:11:04 | 1:11:09 | |
"I want you to get back into chess." | 1:11:09 | 1:11:13 | |
Her name was Zita. "I wonder what she looks like, Harry!" | 1:11:13 | 1:11:18 | |
All of a sudden he's romantically entwined. | 1:11:18 | 1:11:22 | |
She got him off all of his rationalisations why he couldn't play chess any more, | 1:11:22 | 1:11:28 | |
and she set up the tournament. | 1:11:28 | 1:11:31 | |
After many false alarms, it was a 19-year-old Hungarian chess player, | 1:11:31 | 1:11:36 | |
Zita Raycsanyi, who brought Fischer back to chess. | 1:11:36 | 1:11:41 | |
-Do you think he's still as handsome now? -What do you think? | 1:11:41 | 1:11:46 | |
As a result of their meeting, Zita arranged Bobby's comeback. | 1:11:46 | 1:11:50 | |
The chess world was shaken today with news that an old legend lives, | 1:11:50 | 1:11:56 | |
apparently, ready to risk himself in public again. | 1:11:56 | 1:11:59 | |
Headlines around the world announced he'd signed a contract to play a rematch | 1:11:59 | 1:12:04 | |
to play his old Russian rival from Iceland, Boris Spassky. | 1:12:04 | 1:12:07 | |
Everybody's waiting for him to play for 20 years. | 1:12:07 | 1:12:10 | |
Month after month, year after year, there were these stories. | 1:12:10 | 1:12:13 | |
He's negotiating this. He wouldn't play! Finally, he plays! | 1:12:13 | 1:12:18 | |
He was playing in Yugoslavia against Spassky. | 1:12:18 | 1:12:21 | |
It was trumpeted as a return World Championship match. | 1:12:21 | 1:12:26 | |
This is a typical question | 1:12:26 | 1:12:28 | |
from Mr Roger Cohen of the New York Times. | 1:12:28 | 1:12:33 | |
"If you beat Spassky, will you go on to challenge Kasparov for the World Championship?" | 1:12:33 | 1:12:39 | |
Can you read what it says behind here? | 1:12:39 | 1:12:41 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 1:12:41 | 1:12:45 | |
EXPLOSION | 1:12:46 | 1:12:47 | |
The match took place in Yugoslavia | 1:12:47 | 1:12:50 | |
during the middle of the Yugoslav war. | 1:12:50 | 1:12:52 | |
And, by participating, Fischer broke a UN-backed embargo. | 1:12:52 | 1:12:57 | |
The US government sent him a letter and said, "Don't play. If you do, you're going to to jail." | 1:12:57 | 1:13:02 | |
This is my reply to their order not to defend my title here. | 1:13:02 | 1:13:05 | |
That's my answer. | 1:13:06 | 1:13:08 | |
The match in '92, in my view, had no chess relevance. | 1:13:11 | 1:13:16 | |
They played very decent chess, but it was chess of 1972. | 1:13:16 | 1:13:19 | |
It's like watching two old boxers | 1:13:19 | 1:13:22 | |
come back into the ring for one last payday. | 1:13:22 | 1:13:27 | |
A slightly sad affair, where both players are clearly passed their best. | 1:13:27 | 1:13:33 | |
Both Fischer and Spassky are shadows of their former selves. | 1:13:33 | 1:13:37 | |
He won and won several million dollars, | 1:13:40 | 1:13:44 | |
but was declared a criminal for having taken part in the match. | 1:13:44 | 1:13:48 | |
Today, Federal Grand Jury here in Washington | 1:13:48 | 1:13:52 | |
charged Robert James Bobby Fischer | 1:13:52 | 1:13:54 | |
with a criminal violation of the US-imposed sanctions on the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. | 1:13:54 | 1:14:00 | |
Fischer faces up to ten years in prison | 1:14:00 | 1:14:03 | |
and the millions of dollars of proceeds of the chess match | 1:14:03 | 1:14:07 | |
are forfeitable to the United States. | 1:14:07 | 1:14:09 | |
Bobby Fischer, like anyone else, | 1:14:09 | 1:14:12 | |
should be held accountable for his actions. | 1:14:12 | 1:14:15 | |
The cost was very high. He lost his country. | 1:14:15 | 1:14:18 | |
He couldn't come back. He was indicted. | 1:14:18 | 1:14:20 | |
A lot of people questioned the validity of this indictment, but Fischer broke the law. | 1:14:20 | 1:14:25 | |
He couldn't come back in the country. They were out to arrest him. | 1:14:27 | 1:14:31 | |
So he became an ex-patriot. | 1:14:31 | 1:14:33 | |
So, I mean, Yugoslavia... | 1:14:45 | 1:14:48 | |
It was pointless. | 1:14:48 | 1:14:50 | |
You know, he was gone. It was no longer a story. | 1:14:52 | 1:14:56 | |
I knew Zita. I knew her personally. | 1:14:57 | 1:14:59 | |
She was a nice girl. But who knows what he did there. | 1:15:01 | 1:15:06 | |
Joan had gone to Hungary | 1:15:16 | 1:15:19 | |
in 1995 to visit Bobby, | 1:15:19 | 1:15:23 | |
when he was staying in Budapest. | 1:15:23 | 1:15:25 | |
That's the last of our family who'd seen him. | 1:15:25 | 1:15:29 | |
Regina died in '96. | 1:15:30 | 1:15:32 | |
And my wife, Joan, died in 1998 | 1:15:32 | 1:15:36 | |
from a cerebral haemorrhage. | 1:15:36 | 1:15:39 | |
No forewarning at all. | 1:15:39 | 1:15:42 | |
Died within half a day. | 1:15:42 | 1:15:46 | |
That was a tragedy. His mother dies, his sister dies. | 1:15:46 | 1:15:49 | |
Bobby was stripped of any family support that he could hope for. | 1:15:50 | 1:15:55 | |
And when he was a man without a country, he got worse and worse. | 1:15:55 | 1:16:01 | |
This is all wonderful news! | 1:16:05 | 1:16:08 | |
It's time for the fucking US to get their heads kicked in. | 1:16:08 | 1:16:12 | |
Finish off the US once and for all. | 1:16:12 | 1:16:14 | |
This just shows you that what goes around, comes around, even for the United States. | 1:16:14 | 1:16:20 | |
HE LAUGHS | 1:16:20 | 1:16:22 | |
He felt that he was above politics and could say whatever he wanted to say. | 1:16:22 | 1:16:27 | |
And George Bush says, "No. I can grab you wherever you are!" | 1:16:27 | 1:16:30 | |
United States' citizen Robert Booby Fischer | 1:16:34 | 1:16:36 | |
has been detained by Japanese authorities | 1:16:36 | 1:16:38 | |
on alleged immigration law violations. | 1:16:38 | 1:16:41 | |
I get a collect phone call from Japan. | 1:16:43 | 1:16:46 | |
"From who?" I said. He said, "Bobby Fischer." | 1:16:46 | 1:16:51 | |
22 years I haven't heard from him. | 1:16:51 | 1:16:54 | |
Not anything. But he must have kept me in the drawer or something. | 1:16:54 | 1:16:59 | |
So I was not completely forgotten when he needed me. | 1:16:59 | 1:17:02 | |
And I went to Japan to get this man out of jail. | 1:17:03 | 1:17:07 | |
When I saw him there, it was on his birthday. | 1:17:15 | 1:17:21 | |
He asked me if I could help him out, you know. | 1:17:21 | 1:17:24 | |
I said, "I'll see what I can do." | 1:17:24 | 1:17:27 | |
Iceland has stood up and offered him residency. | 1:17:41 | 1:17:46 | |
Iceland has stood up and given him a passport. | 1:17:46 | 1:17:50 | |
We, a small nation of 300,000 people intervened | 1:17:52 | 1:17:57 | |
and went against the United States and Japan, | 1:17:57 | 1:18:02 | |
the two strongest economies in the world, and got him to Iceland. | 1:18:02 | 1:18:07 | |
CHEERING | 1:18:13 | 1:18:16 | |
HE SPEAKS ICELANDIC | 1:18:18 | 1:18:20 | |
CROWD: Bobby Fischer! Bobby Fischer! | 1:18:22 | 1:18:24 | |
Welcome to Iceland, Mr Fischer. How does it feel to be home? | 1:18:24 | 1:18:27 | |
-Great! -You're getting quite a hero's welcome. Did you expect this? -No, I didn't. | 1:18:27 | 1:18:33 | |
This is your first time in Iceland in quite a few years. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:37 | |
-You weren't that thrilled the first time around. Think it will be better this time? -That is not true! | 1:18:37 | 1:18:43 | |
-Do you mean, I didn't want to play here originally? -Well, yeah. | 1:18:43 | 1:18:47 | |
I explained all that. That was all a CIA setup. I'll explain that some day. | 1:18:47 | 1:18:51 | |
We look forward to that, Bobby Fischer. Welcome to Iceland. | 1:18:51 | 1:18:55 | |
Have a good night. | 1:18:55 | 1:18:57 | |
Sorry for keeping you waiting. | 1:19:17 | 1:19:20 | |
-How does it feel to be a free person? -Oh, it feels great. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:25 | |
You've got a wonderful country. Wonderful fresh air. Very fine people. | 1:19:25 | 1:19:30 | |
Excellent food. | 1:19:30 | 1:19:32 | |
-Plenty of room. -What's next, Bobby? | 1:19:32 | 1:19:36 | |
I still want to do a book showing how the 1984/85 Karpov-Kasparov match | 1:19:36 | 1:19:41 | |
was prearranged move by move. | 1:19:41 | 1:19:43 | |
They're all saying, "Oh, Fischer didn't write the book he said he was going to write." | 1:19:43 | 1:19:48 | |
Yeah! But they don't say that they stole my file on it! | 1:19:48 | 1:19:52 | |
They don't say they stole several big moving boxes full of books that took me years to accumulate. | 1:19:52 | 1:19:58 | |
-What is your name? -Jeremy. | 1:19:58 | 1:20:00 | |
-Jeremy what? -Schaap. -Your father was Dick Schaap, you were telling me last night? -Yes. | 1:20:00 | 1:20:05 | |
I knew him, yeah. He rapped me very hard. | 1:20:05 | 1:20:08 | |
He said I don't have a sane bone in my body. I didn't forget that. | 1:20:08 | 1:20:13 | |
His father, many, many years ago, befriended me. | 1:20:13 | 1:20:16 | |
-Took me out to see... I don't remember what. -Knicks games. -Knicks games. | 1:20:16 | 1:20:20 | |
-You were 12. -Acted kind of like a father figure. | 1:20:20 | 1:20:25 | |
And then later, like a typical Jewish snake, | 1:20:25 | 1:20:28 | |
-he had the most vicious things to say about me. -I have to object. -OK. | 1:20:28 | 1:20:33 | |
Did you read the article where he said I don't have a sane bone in my body? | 1:20:33 | 1:20:37 | |
-I'm not sure if I read it, but I know that he said it. -Yeah. | 1:20:37 | 1:20:40 | |
And, honestly, I don't know that you've done much here today really | 1:20:40 | 1:20:44 | |
to disprove anything he said. | 1:20:44 | 1:20:47 | |
I met Bobby after he came to Iceland. | 1:21:01 | 1:21:03 | |
His existence was a very lonely one. | 1:21:03 | 1:21:07 | |
He gradually, in Iceland, like everywhere else, alienated people | 1:21:09 | 1:21:14 | |
with his behaviour. | 1:21:14 | 1:21:15 | |
I had one huge safe... | 1:21:15 | 1:21:17 | |
We just walked around the pond in downtown Reykjavik and we talked. | 1:21:17 | 1:21:22 | |
And we had coffee together. | 1:21:22 | 1:21:25 | |
I met him a few times when I ran into him in restaurants, etc. | 1:21:25 | 1:21:29 | |
The US didn't give a damn what their opinions were any more! | 1:21:29 | 1:21:32 | |
Their role was over. Now the bomb belonged to the government. Do you understand? | 1:21:32 | 1:21:37 | |
-This is... -And they were shocked. They didn't believe it. | 1:21:37 | 1:21:41 | |
Listen to me. Either you're going to have a fucking conversation... | 1:21:41 | 1:21:45 | |
This cannot be a monologue. | 1:21:45 | 1:21:47 | |
Yeah... | 1:21:47 | 1:21:49 | |
'He could not tear himself from the topic of the evil nature of the Jews.' | 1:21:49 | 1:21:56 | |
And the evil nature of the United States, | 1:21:56 | 1:21:58 | |
or the evil nature of nuclear power. He talked about this relentlessly. | 1:21:58 | 1:22:03 | |
You really couldn't pull him out of that discussion. | 1:22:03 | 1:22:05 | |
'It was not just that he was talking about it. | 1:22:05 | 1:22:09 | |
'It was the obsessive, compulsive nature of the discussion, | 1:22:09 | 1:22:14 | |
the relentless nature of it.' | 1:22:14 | 1:22:17 | |
You don't see how fucked up the world is. That's a form of insanity. | 1:22:17 | 1:22:20 | |
'The last time I ran into him, | 1:22:20 | 1:22:23 | |
'I turned him away from my table, because I had gotten enough of him. | 1:22:23 | 1:22:29 | |
'Most of us think within a relatively narrow bandwidth.' | 1:22:29 | 1:22:34 | |
But occasionally an individual manages to get outside the box. | 1:22:34 | 1:22:38 | |
Those are the people who make new discoveries. Those are the creative people. | 1:22:38 | 1:22:42 | |
But occasionally it is difficult to get back into the box. | 1:22:42 | 1:22:46 | |
King moves. Takes the Queen. | 1:22:46 | 1:22:50 | |
'His genius and his illness are joined at the hip. | 1:22:50 | 1:22:56 | |
'I don't think that Bobby could have been as creative, as extraordinary...' | 1:22:56 | 1:23:02 | |
without being extraordinary in other aspects and that aspect we call a disease. | 1:23:02 | 1:23:06 | |
So the whole game's collapsing. We resigned. | 1:23:06 | 1:23:09 | |
I don't consider myself to be... | 1:23:12 | 1:23:15 | |
..a genius at chess. I consider myself more to be... | 1:23:15 | 1:23:20 | |
..a genius who just happens to play chess. | 1:23:21 | 1:23:25 | |
Understand? So I could be doing any... | 1:23:25 | 1:23:28 | |
I could have done and I can do any number of other things, you know? | 1:23:28 | 1:23:32 | |
You know, I always wanted to write some songs. I was telling Larry Evans. | 1:23:32 | 1:23:36 | |
This is back in the '60s. I listened to all his songs. | 1:23:36 | 1:23:39 | |
I wish I could write that, but I tried to write some, I tried to think of something, | 1:23:39 | 1:23:44 | |
and I guess nothing comes out. | 1:23:44 | 1:23:46 | |
And he says, "Yeah, because you haven't lived!" | 1:23:46 | 1:23:49 | |
I started thinking about it. He's right! | 1:23:49 | 1:23:53 | |
..Library. All my regular library. | 1:23:53 | 1:23:57 | |
All my personal correspondence. All my chess sets... | 1:23:57 | 1:24:01 | |
'Everything stolen. Everything. All of my chess library.' | 1:24:02 | 1:24:05 | |
He died from a psychiatric illness. | 1:24:05 | 1:24:07 | |
He did not want to accept treatment for benign prostatic hypertrophy. | 1:24:07 | 1:24:12 | |
He refused dialysis, as I understand. Could have prolonged his life if he'd taken it. | 1:24:12 | 1:24:17 | |
I was able to get him a photograph of Regina and Joan to have with him, | 1:24:17 | 1:24:22 | |
which is what he had with him in the hospital when he died. | 1:24:22 | 1:24:26 | |
Reportedly Fischer's last words were, "Nothing is so healing as the human touch." | 1:24:28 | 1:24:33 | |
The former world champion of chess Bobby Fischer has died. | 1:24:42 | 1:24:46 | |
His career reached its height during matches with his nemesis, Boris Spassky, back in 1972. | 1:24:46 | 1:24:52 | |
Just his games, that's his monument. | 1:25:09 | 1:25:11 | |
His games. | 1:25:12 | 1:25:15 | |
If you love an art. | 1:25:15 | 1:25:18 | |
Let's say you love painting. | 1:25:20 | 1:25:22 | |
Imagine if Picasso had died after only five years of work. | 1:25:22 | 1:25:26 | |
All the rest of his works had never appeared. | 1:25:26 | 1:25:28 | |
This was a tragedy for the whole chess world. | 1:25:31 | 1:25:34 | |
He did it all by himself. | 1:25:36 | 1:25:39 | |
He penetrated the secrets of chess in this shabby Brooklyn apartment. | 1:25:41 | 1:25:46 | |
He was the best player who ever lived. | 1:25:48 | 1:25:51 | |
Bobby Fischer, sound roll three. | 1:25:53 | 1:25:55 | |
Right. | 1:25:57 | 1:25:58 | |
Bobby, you've been playing this game since you were six years old. | 1:26:03 | 1:26:07 | |
And playing it very seriously shortly after the age of six. | 1:26:07 | 1:26:10 | |
Did all this concentration, to the exclusion of other activities, did this bother you? | 1:26:10 | 1:26:16 | |
Do you think this deprived you of anything growing up? | 1:26:16 | 1:26:19 | |
-Maybe, yeah, yeah. To some extent, yeah. -Like what? | 1:26:19 | 1:26:23 | |
Well, it would have been better, a little more balanced, yeah. | 1:26:23 | 1:26:27 | |
Maybe a little more rounded, but what can you do? | 1:26:27 | 1:26:31 | |
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