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'My grandfather was a painter. He died more than 60 years ago. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:21 | |
'My mother was five and my aunt almost three. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
'We're going to the last house they lived in. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
'He killed himself here.' | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
Do you remember it, Maro? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Well, I remember there used to be a table, a big table here. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
We used to draw here. Or maybe not. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
-Maybe the dining room table was here. -I think it was here. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:02 | |
This is where we did our crayons. The living room was always the living room. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
The dining room table must have been here. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
I remember him making us scrambled eggs. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
Just a slight, dim, thing of jet lag. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
I dragged you up and we saw our parents having a horrible fight. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
-But it's not that. -Of course it is. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
I forced you to go up the staircase. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
You were much too scared. You didn't want to go up at all. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
I'm beginning to feel things at the mention of the staircase. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
'I've heard stories of him all my life - | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
'his art, his memories, his lies, his death. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
'And always tangled family tales with no beginning and no end. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
'The white noise of my life. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
'Gorky was the last surrealist and the first abstract expressionist. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
'He created himself as an artist | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
'and kept working as tragedies unfolded around him. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
'His life was his art. His art was his life.' | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
DOORBELL RINGS | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
'The only remaining witness of his last years | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
'is my grandmother, Mougouch.' | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
-Hello. -Hello, darling. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
I was 19 when I first met Gorky. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
I was told by Bill de Kooning | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
that I must meet Gorky. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
That Gorky must meet me, was the way he put it. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
So I went and I sat down, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
quietly, in this room full of people | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
next to a gentleman with a moustache but nobody had described Gorky. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
They said, "Oh, you'll see him. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
"He'll get up and immediately start singing and dancing." | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
So I sat next to this silent gentleman. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
I said nothing and he said nothing. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
Finally, I decided, "Well, I don't know where this man called Gorky is. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:20 | |
"I might as well leave because I don't see anybody." | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
And then, when I stood up, he stood up. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
The man I'd been sitting next to. He was nice and tall. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
And he said, as we were leaving, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
"Is your name Miss Maguida?" | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
I said, "Not quite. But it's Magruder." | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
And he said, "I was asked to meet you." | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
I said, "Well, hello." | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
He said, "As we haven't talked, shall we go and have a coffee?" | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
And I said, "I think that would be very nice." | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
'When my grandparents met in 1940, he was 20 years older than her. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
'Gorky was part of the emerging New York art scene, working alone in his studio downtown, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
'dining in the quick and dirty cafes | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
'with John Graham, Stuart Davis and Bill de Kooning. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:15 | |
'What we know about his life in the hard-living '30s, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
'before he met my grandmother, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
'comes from the letters he wrote to his sister living in Chicago. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
'"Dear Vartoosh, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
'"when you write that you're always lonely | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
'"my heart fills with great bitterness. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
'"Surely, that was our destiny. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
'"I, too, feel lonely always, even if I see lots of friends. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
'"Even if I'm among thousands of people, I always feel lonely."' | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
He said, "Tell me about yourself." I said, "There's nothing to tell. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
"I'm just beginning my life in New York." | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
He loved New York. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
He took me all over New York. We explored every corner. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
East Side, West Side, north, south, always by foot. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
'Mougouch let me film her for the first time ten years ago. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
'That's when I started to listen closely, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
'to try and make sense of what happened.' | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
-I wish you wouldn't take that? -Why? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
-Because it's not my cigarette. -Because you usually...? | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
An unusual cigarette. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
'Mougouch was a spirited and adventurous young woman | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
'who'd grown up all over the world following her father, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
'an admiral in the US Navy. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
'When she got to New York from Shanghai, aged 19 and alone, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
'she wanted to break away from her privileged background. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
'She worked on a Maoist paper and wanted to become a painter.' | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
This was my street. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
-This is where you walked every day. -Every day. Where I walked my babies. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
Every day. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
So then, he took me to his studio. It was so big. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
So vast and empty. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
Three chairs and a round table. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
And this wonderful big easel, great big one! | 0:07:21 | 0:07:27 | |
Like a crucifix. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
And a big window coming right down | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
from the ceiling. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
We had a room on the side, where he kept all his paintings. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
-Which was the first one he showed you? -Oh! | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
When he showed me his... | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
The first thing he showed me was his mother and himself. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
That painting, that's in the Whitney Museum. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
I guess his mother must have loved him a lot. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
He lost her when he was very young. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
I don't think he was very far in his teens. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
His mother was very beautiful. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
And she wanted him to be something special. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
She took him to a marble seat | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
and said, "You must be a poet." | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
Poetry, you see, was the beautiful thing for her. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
And he felt she had given him a proper mission. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
He told me the story of his life and so on, with emendations! | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
They were very happy, on the whole, his memories. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
That's what he chose to tell me about. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
Climbing trees and looking for bird's nests. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
'Gorky chose what to forget and made paintings with what to remember. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
'He lied about his past. He was an Armenian refugee, but he hid it. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:12 | |
'He reinvented himself. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
'He said he was the nephew of Maxim Gorky, the Russian writer. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
'He said he studied with Kandinsky in Paris | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
'and was a graduate of Brown. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
'He plagiarised his love letters to Mougouch.' | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
As he told me so many myths, and I believed them all. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:34 | |
I was a beautiful blank book that he could write anything he wanted in! | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
But he was so proud and high | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
and fine-looking, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
and he had a mighty paintbrush. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
I was smitten immediately. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
Oh! I was absolutely stunned by his painting. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
I had never seen painting like it. I mean, it was delicious. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
'Mougouch once took down his words as he painted. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
'"I measure all things by weight. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
'"I love my Mougouch. What about Papa Cezanne? | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
'"I like the heat, the tenderness, the edible, the lusciousness, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:22 | |
'"the song of a single person. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
'"I like Uccello, Grunewald | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
'"and that man Pablo Picasso."' | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
He used to go to the Metropolitan with his easel and paint there. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:38 | |
He learnt, really, by... call it imitation, I suppose. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
He was totally eclectic, something from everywhere. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
Everybody said that he was just making Cezannes | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
and making Picassos and making Matisses. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
He really didn't care. He wasn't interested in being original. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
I saw | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
this very proud and amazing person | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
who brought a dimension and a proof | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
into my life that I could never find in my bourgeois existence. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
'"My dearest ones, this morning, Mougouch and I went with two friends | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
'"to the city to get married tomorrow morning. We are very happy. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
'"Mougouch is a very beautiful and well educated girl, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
'"and has studied in Switzerland, France, England, Holland, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
'"and has visited every country in the world. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
'"She is studying a lot and every day she reads Marx, Engels, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
'"Lenin, Stalin."' | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
So, once I had a baby, a little girl, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
it was all very well and he absolutely worshipped her. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
But how was I going to live in that flat in that studio? | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
It was quite difficult. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
I think it was down there that I took Maro to a nursery school, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
where she claims she was pinned and tied up | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
and had all sorts of indignities. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
SHE CHUCKLES But... | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
It took her out of the studio for a few hours. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
The studio was quite small? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
No, the studio was huge, but Gorky was trying to paint in it. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
And there you are in dear dreary old Connecticut | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
in the woods, in the spring of 1945. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
Before little Natasha was born. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
-So Natasha wasn't even born. -No. -She wasn't a month old or something? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
She was a month old in the other picture. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
-I'm saying that this photograph... -Darling, it's written here. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
-"Spring of 1945." I know when he came. -But all these photographs... | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
She was born after that, Natasha, in August, three months later. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
-This was done at the same time. -That's right. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
They were all done at the same time. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
He was like a mysterious person in a fairy tale. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
I remember nice things, like... | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
..cutting out coloured paper and drawing with crayons. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
But...it was pretty horrific. A lot of tension in the house. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:29 | |
At least I can remember. My sister Natasha doesn't remember anything. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
It's far worse not remembering than to remember. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
And did you know he'd committed suicide? | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
No, I didn't. I thought he'd died. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
I found out by reading a clipping in a newspaper when I was about... | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
..12? Or 13? | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
And I was very shocked. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
How did you recover so well, Mummy? | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
By isolating myself and not participating very much in the world, it seems to me. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:06 | |
I couldn't have done it without Matthew. Matthew was invaluable. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
PEACOCK CALLS | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
-MALE SPEAKER: -I've been in this family 48 years, a long time. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
That involves a lot of Gorky, because he takes up a lot of space. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:25 | |
So I've written a biography of him. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
I seem to remember a lot of dinner table conversation | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
to be about Gorky. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
Do you? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Well, you know, my wife and I, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
we get through a bottle of wine each a night, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:44 | |
and we talk about the same things again and again and again. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
When you met Maro, did Mummy...did she speak about Gorky immediately? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:54 | |
Maro talked more about her mother than her father, to begin with. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
We didn't know much about Gorky, except for what Mougouch told us. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
Maro had just been born and... how was I going to deal with Maro? | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
How was I going to live in that flat in that studio? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
I suggested to my mother, who'd just bought a farmhouse in Virginia, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
I said, "Of course, we could come down and help you. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:29 | |
"Gorky can dig in the garden and I can cook, and so on." | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
So that was struck as a very good bargain. We'd go in the spring. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
And we'd watch the fall turning. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
We went back the next summer | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
and the next summer. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
"Gorky has been thrashing over two particular canvases. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
"Now, having ravaged and worn them down like an angry sea, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
"he has left them to go out and draw, draw, draw. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
"He's sitting perched on his stool out on the side of the hill, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
"sitting for hours without seeming to move." | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
He fell in love with the grasses | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
and the cows and the trees and the weeds. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
What was so exciting about it | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
was that he didn't know what he was doing himself. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
He'd come back and he'd say, "Can you see this?" | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
Well, I'm looking at it. It's wonderful. It's extraordinary. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
"It doesn't matter, does it, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
"if you don't recognise anything?" I said, "No, I don't." | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
I recognise shapes, but I don't know what they refer to. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
'With Mougouch, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
'Gorky stopped projecting himself through an imagined past | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
'and had a chance to step into the present with new passion, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
'new opportunities | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
'and new friends, like the painter Roberto Matta.' | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
Gorky was very influenced by Matta. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Matta helped him in many ways. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Matta had said to him, "Why don't you just take a clean canvas | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
"and just paint what you feel or see on that canvas | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
"without too much forethought or too much...? | 0:17:14 | 0:17:20 | |
"Don't work on it. Let it happen to you." | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
And he realised that... he ought to try it. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
He'd never felt free enough to try it. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
'"I've been well and been working, and my way of working is changing. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
'"And for this reason I always feel extremely anxious. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
'"I want to attain works which are more personal and clean."' | 0:17:41 | 0:17:46 | |
This was on his easel in the barn when I came to see him, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
probably having put the children to their naps. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
And was it a surprise to see that? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Yeah. Because, you see...he'd been working from the drawings. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:02 | |
And then, suddenly, he dismissed the drawing. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
He was completely free. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
He'd done it, I think, in two or three days. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
Oh, I said it was splendid. "You're off." | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
I felt he was. He'd found his way out of the drawings. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
You can see how nature was alive to him. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
-He really didn't see what -I -saw. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
He saw things IN it. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
He looked at the spaces between things | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
as much as he looked at the object itself. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
Like things that he might have seen in his dreams or imagination. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:48 | |
Or a mixture of his early memories and his new perceptions. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
There was so much feeling in it, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
and the feeling came through to one. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Having his own child, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
his own house | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
and that trip to the country unstuck him. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
It was a gigantic movement. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
I gave him some kind of support that was more personal, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
not just his art, but was...for him. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
'Everything seemed possible at the end of that first summer. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
'Gorky came back to the city with a portfolio of vibrant new drawings | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
'which opened new doors. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
'Their friend, Jeanne Reynal, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
'arranged an introduction with Andre Breton, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
'the leader of the surrealists | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
'in exile from occupied Paris. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
'It was a heady energetic milieu of established figures from Europe | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
'that included Marcel Duchamp and Max Ernst. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
'With the surrealists, Gorky found a group who not only recognised | 0:19:56 | 0:20:01 | |
'but also championed him as their bridge to America. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
'Breton arranged his first solo exhibition in 20 years | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
'at the avant-garde Julien Levy Gallery.' | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
The opening was hardly what's called a success. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
Julien didn't get the invitations out until after the show opened. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
Imagine! So nobody came. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
There was me and Gorky and my mother, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
Andre Breton, Julien Levy | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
and I think Marcel Duchamp came. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
Rather a nice little group of something like six people. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
That was the opening of poor Gorky's exhibition. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
"Julien told him that the critics had been stonier | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
"and more unresponsive than he'd ever known them. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
"That usually he could handle them, but this time, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
"there was a blind opposition | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
"he had never in his career come up against." | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
You see what a real sadist he was? | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
Julien's contract was for 175 a month. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
He would have a certain amount of paintings a year | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
and a certain amount of drawings. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
They were his, anyhow, whether he sold them or not. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
We had 175 a month. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
We paid 55 for the rent of the studio. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
If that silly fool had given us a tiny bit more money | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
I could have lived not in that studio, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
but we couldn't afford a living place. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
-Did he need silence to work? -Well, not so much he needed silence, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
but he didn't need two little girls romping around. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
How could I keep them occ...? | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
Sometimes it rains, it's impossible to go for a walk in the park. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
You stay out all day and you're so tired you can't cook supper. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
It's hard staying out for hours and hours | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
with two little children. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
'As the studio in New York became too cramped for a family, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
'they moved to the countryside. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
'A friend put them up and found a space for Gorky to work in.' | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
I was at the mercy of the generosity of my friends, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
constantly packing things up | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
and going somewhere which wasn't ours. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
It was awful. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
I sometimes think my great mistake in Gorky's life, really. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
Except he got SUCH joy from the children. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
What can I say? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
It was tough on me. It was tough on him. It was tough on the children. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
It wasn't stable. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
The only stability Gorky had was in the studio in New York. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:51 | |
This was just after Natasha was born, wasn't it? | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
Well, it was during Natasha's... She was born... | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
We moved there when she was two months old - not even. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:02 | |
She was born in August and we moved there in September. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
But thank God! She was a very easy, healthy baby. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:12 | |
-Do you remember Gorky? -No. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
Not, um... | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
-Not consciously. -Hm. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
I have no recollection of when Gorky was alive. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
I have NO recollection. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
Where did you find out that he killed himself? | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
I don't remember. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
I was not quite three. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
Not quite three. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
I think now, from the perspective now, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:12 | |
I realise I've been in shock a lot of my life. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
From the photographs I see, I was very angry, but didn't know it. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
I felt... I just didn't feel connected to Mummy. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
I just didn't feel like... You know. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
I didn't want to be around her, basically. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
She never paid attention to me. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
She always thought I was OK and I wasn't a problem. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
So I think that's what I just did. I sort of wanted to disappear. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
MOUGOUCH: And here's Gorky with Natasha. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
His little plumber. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Look at Natasha. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
She always says she was so miserable. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
She wasn't. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
'As a child, I was told of a story Gorky's mother told him, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
'a story of defiance and destruction. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
'A family myth of how his great-grandmother, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
'undone by grief at the slaughter of her last nephew, cursed God | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
'and set fire to the family church she tended. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
'I was told Gorky's fires were always a little too big.' | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
"Darling Jeanne, anything that follows is an understatement. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
"On Wednesday January 16, Gorky's studio in the country burnt to the ground. Everything was lost. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:55 | |
"Gorky smelled some smoke, but he was working with great passion | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
"and thought it was his cigarette." | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
He was just happily working away in the smoke. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Then he walked down, and he's passed by our friend, Jean. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
She said, "Gorky, what are you doing with that water?" | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
He said, "I'm putting out the fire." | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
He'd walked by her three or four times | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
without saying, "Call the fire engines." | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
-How many paintings burnt, do you think? -We really don't know. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
Quite a few. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
I thought he would be absolutely broken. Not at all. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
He felt it didn't matter. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
It was all inside him and it would all come out again. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
Then came the operation - bang! Like that, on top of it. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
It was a terrible operation for a colostomy, that's what it's called. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
It wasn't something we had five minutes to think about. Not five. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
He went to the doctor and the doctor rang me up and said, "I'm sending him straight to the hospital." | 0:27:02 | 0:27:08 | |
'"Dear Vartoosh, we thought that we'd have a house in Connecticut, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:15 | |
'"but that damn fire destroyed everything. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
'"Mougouch and I thought that you were coming to us this summer, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:22 | |
'"but it didn't happen. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
'"For us to come to you is quite difficult | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
'"because I have to paint a lot. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
'"You know that after I went to hospital | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
'"for a long time I wasn't able to work."' | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
You've known people who've had cancer. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
It is a kind of death. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
I mean, it becomes very near death. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
I think Gorky never thought he would ever be normal. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
I know he never thought. He wouldn't let himself have anything that... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:58 | |
that any doctor suggested, in terms of how to deal with his cancer. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
He did it his own way, which was exhausting. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
'Gorky couldn't bear the humiliation of his body. He starved himself. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
'He wrapped himself daily in tight bandages | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
'to try and control the fluids and noises from the colostomy bag. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
'He retreated into himself. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
'He was angry and ashamed, and friends began to avoid them. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
'Mougouch couldn't reach him. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
'She kept it together for a year and then began to crack. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
'She was 26 years old.' | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Things went very fast. We moved in wintertime. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
We moved to the country as soon as we could. We moved to Sherman. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
We should never have gone to the house in Connecticut. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:00 | |
To that house. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
It was doomed. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
Gorky was going into some dark place, as it were. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
And his paintings were. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
There's a painting, Dark Green Painting. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
I know he painted it down there in that little studio in Connecticut. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
Gorky couldn't work. He was tired. He didn't like the studio. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
It was winter. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
The children were in the house a lot. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
He used to get terribly angry with Maro. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
He kept saying things like, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
"Do you want to kill your little sister?" when she would, you know, give her a biff or something. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:46 | |
SHE SIGHS | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
That whole winter that we were there before he killed himself, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:55 | |
several times he walked up that drive | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
with this great rope - I knew what he was going to do. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
He was going to the barn, where he always went cos he loved that barn. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
He took... He had his site all chosen. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
I used to send the children after him, because I said, "Look at Daddy. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:18 | |
-"He's going to make you a swing." -Hm. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
"Go and run with him." | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
They'd run off to him and he'd come back, of course. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
He did that...three times. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
It was a terrible, terrible winter | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
and I was worn down to the ground. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
Then he didn't know what to do, what to paint. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
He kept asking me, "What can I do? What can I paint?" | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
I said, "Why don't you paint some portraits? | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
"I'll sit for you. You haven't painted a portrait for years." | 0:30:51 | 0:30:57 | |
"No! No!" He didn't feel like portraits. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
Landscape was wrong. Everything was wrong. I was wrong. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
The babies were making too much noise. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
I mean, it was a very... | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
a most...upsetting time. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
And I bust. I broke. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
Finally. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
'One of the few friends who still kept in touch was Roberto Matta. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
'Mougouch turned to him for support.' | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
I didn't have anybody helping me. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
Before I went off with Matta for a weekend... It was only a weekend. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
It wasn't... I said I'd be back on Sunday night and I was. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
I went off on Friday. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
I didn't know where I was going until I got to the... | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
our local little shop | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
to talk to them and see the... | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
And you left the children with him? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
Well, I left... No. The children had gone to my mother's. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
I had to escape somewhere. I wasn't planning to escape forever. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
I was planning to go for two days with somebody I knew would love me | 0:32:13 | 0:32:19 | |
and make me feel loved. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
-I needed it more than anything. -Of course, you're right, Mummy. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
-You would never have stood what I stood. -Of course I wouldn't. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
I'm such a monster, compared to you. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
Any man who treated me like...you were treated, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
I would have buzzed off very quickly. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
-Or I wouldn't have gone... -He didn't treat me like that in the beginning. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
-It's only because he became jealous. -I think he overworked that summer. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
I think he was worn out. And he was in pain, Mummy. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
Oh, I do know how he was in pain. I know every bit of that pain. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
I could tell you not only that, but the worst thing about Gorky | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
was that he had absolutely no self-control. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
None. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
Hm. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
'I'd heard this scene so many times before. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
'It had become like a piece of theatre in which everyone knew their role and was unwilling to let go.' | 0:33:16 | 0:33:22 | |
MACHINE WHIRRS | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
'As if that were all that remained of their relationship with Gorky.' | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
Christ! I have the same thing with my mum. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
-Yeah, I know. It's discouraging, isn't it? -It's not discouraging. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
-You're 65, Maro. You ought to be grown-up. -66. -66. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
I know. Grown out and about. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
Your adolescences are over. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
I know. She's over, too. I'm not giving her a present. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
-She hasn't given me one for years. -Oh, grumpy, grumpy, grumpy! | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
My love, I haven't had my coffee yet. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
OK, cake, fruit tarts... | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
-Fish. She wants a big fish. She does not want mackerel. -OK. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:09 | |
-From where? A supermarket? -Where else? | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
Are you planning to fish it yourself? | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
-God! Baby's in really a bad mood. -I had a sleepless night. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
-What happened? -I couldn't sleep. I felt asthmatic. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
I felt suffocating. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
-It's the past, my sweet. -The past was sitting on me like a succubus. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
Because it's not your mother, you can laugh. Agh! | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
I must cut some weeds. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
My one flower bed is just a jungle of grass. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:54 | |
Don't do it now. You'll be too tired tomorrow. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
This "doco" is a little bit like group therapy, isn't it? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
You've stirred the muddy waters, Cosie. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
-Anyway, you don't seem angry. -No. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
How could I be angry for something that happened? | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
I went through the anger. I was angry when I was young. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
It's a question of knowing what happened. Knowledge is healing. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:26 | |
The worst thing is not knowing. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
'As in all tragedy, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
'there are points where things could have gone differently for Gorky | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
'on the way to meet his fate. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
'While Mougouch was away, a car crash left his collarbone broken | 0:35:39 | 0:35:44 | |
'and his painting arm paralysed. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
'Julien Levy, his dealer, was driving. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
'They were both drunk.' | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
So then I brought this poor darling home. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
That was it. And we had two weeks at home. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
Or three weeks or four weeks | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
after my "escapade". | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
Yes. So we had those weeks of trying to live together. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:11 | |
And Gorky went on drinking | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
and... Oh! | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
It was... It was just awful. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
He then told me that he discovered | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
that I'd gone away and spent two nights away with another man. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:31 | |
When he told me that, I wasn't going to pretend any different. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:36 | |
I said, "Well, if I did, then I did. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
"But it isn't because I don't love you. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
"It's because you've been so cruel to me. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
"You made me feel as though there wasn't room for me in your life with the children. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:53 | |
"I don't know what to do about it." | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
He suddenly went... I remember. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
Everything that I'd ever been given by a surrealist... | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
He tore up pictures and Matta's drawings. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:08 | |
And somebody... | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
The necklaces that Jeanne had given me, he ripped them apart. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
Then he had sudden moments of trying to beat me up. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
Then, of course, the children would hear it. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
I tried to get down the stairs and out of the house and I did, | 0:37:21 | 0:37:26 | |
but he shoved me halfway down so the children heard me tumbling. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
And then I ran out of the house and I stayed in the bushes outside. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:38 | |
SOBBING | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
Let's go and see where our bedroom is. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
-I thought it was huge. -God! It's tiny! | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
Yeah. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:26 | |
You, poor thing, I woke you up. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
We came up the staircase and I saw Gorky | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
towering over our mother, who's crunched down, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
kneeling, protecting herself, in front of the mirror. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
SIGHS | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
I didn't want to leave the house. I wanted to be within hearing. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
He'd gathered the children out of their beds, brought them downstairs | 0:38:53 | 0:38:59 | |
and was telephoning everybody saying I'd run away | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
and I'd gone to get the police. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
So I came in and said, "Gorky! How could you say such a silly thing? | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
"Of course I'm not going to get the police. I just don't want you to be so angry with me." | 0:39:09 | 0:39:16 | |
The children, of course, were terrified, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
full of tears and crying and crying. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
So I said, "I'm going to put my children to bed." | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
I took the children and put them into bed. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
Then Gorky came up and he sat on Maro's bed. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
And he said... | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
"..Darling little Maro. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
"You know I am an artist and artists sometimes lose their minds. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
"And I... I... | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
"But it's not... It doesn't last. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
"It's past. It's all over. I promise you it's all over." | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
And Maro said, "No, it isn't." | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
She knew! | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
Yes! Yes! Yes! This is where it all happened! | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
'When they left for New York to seek professional advice, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
'it was to be the last time that the children saw that house | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
'and their father. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
'They were dropped off at Jeanne's while Mougouch went to speak to Gorky's doctor.' | 0:40:20 | 0:40:27 | |
I told the doctor that I'd spent two nights away from Gorky. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
But he was very upset. "Of course he is!" said the doctor. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
"All I can do is say you must go away." | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
Well, I rang Matta to say that... | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
And Matta said, "I've just come back from seeing Gorky." | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
I said, "You don't mean to say you went to see Gorky?" | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
"Well, he called me up and asked me to meet him in Central Park." | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
So... | 0:40:57 | 0:40:58 | |
He, Matta, like an idiot, went to see him. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
He wanted to beat Matta up with his shillelagh he'd come to town with. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
He chased Matta around Central Park. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
LAUGHING: Finally, Matta gave up | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
and they both sat down and started talking on a bench. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
I mean, it was totally mad! LAUGHS | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
But Matta wanted to get hold of me cos he was terrified. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
He thought that Gorky might beat ME up. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
-And I wouldn't be able to get away. Well, he had tried already. -Mm. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:36 | |
I told the doctor that and the doctor said, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
"I'm not going to let you go back. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
"I'll call Jeanne, tell her to put your children in a taxi." | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
Jeanne did. They came up to the doctor's, I joined them and we left. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:53 | |
Went down to my mother's. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
He rang me up and he asked me would I come back? | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
And I said, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
"I have to know that you'll forgive me. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
"I can't come back if you're going to suddenly turn on me. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:11 | |
"And the children. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
"I can't risk it, Gorky. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
"What can I say?" | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
He was completely out of his mind. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
But he did come back into his mind, to the extent | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
that he was definitely going to kill himself - he told me that he was. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
And that I mustn't... I mustn't... | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
He was going to free me, that's what he said on the telephone. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
And then I knew he would. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:44 | |
Mm. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:45 | |
As I'd been trying to stop him for...eight months, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
and failed. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
CLAPS HANDS What could I do? | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
And he did. There was nobody to stop him. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
'On July 21st 1948, Gorky left this painting on the easel | 0:43:11 | 0:43:17 | |
'and walked into the woods to kill himself. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
'He scrawled in white chalk on a picture crate, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
'"Goodbye, my lovers." He wanted his last words to be great. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
So he borrowed them from the Russian writer Pushkin. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:33 | |
-How beautiful, Natasha! -Mm. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:41 | |
Huh? | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
-Look at this beautiful waterfall. -Yeah. -Beautiful. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
Here it is, Nat! | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
This is a definite log cabin. | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
Peter Blume, when he came up here, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
he knew this was one of Gorky's favourite spots. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
He knew enough to come here. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
I don't think he would have killed himself so near the house, | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
five minutes from the house, he wouldn't have done that. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
-Well, we're at least half an hour. -Exactly. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
-I mean, a bit of privacy, don't you think? -Yeah. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
If you're going to do it, | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
it's a good place to do it. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
You're in nature and the sound helps you sort of... | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
-..to, you know. -And it's very quick. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
His neck was broken anyway. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
He just took his collar off | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
and it would have happened very quickly. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
Hm? | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
'Gorky's suicide was his last heroic act. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
'At the point in his life when his body failed him, | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
'he chose his ending. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
'For his family, it marked the beginning of a journey of recovery, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:16 | |
'a discovery of who he was.' | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
Yes, it does. All right, dearie. Goodbye. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
-Nice to hear you... Hello! -Do you know something, Mummy? | 0:45:23 | 0:45:28 | |
It's been incredibly useful having five handsome young men... | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
-Course it is. -..following us around these heart-wrenching places, like Gorky's suicide hutch. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:39 | |
The staircase gave me the heebie-geebies. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
The staircase is very... | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
-Scary! Spooky staircase. -It is for you, because it had lots of things. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
-I went tumbling down it. -That's it. -Rather urged by your father. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:54 | |
So, Mummy, you must tell Mougouch your realisation | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
that you told us at dinner the other night. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
What? That I'm pretty angry with my dad? | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
Yeah. I'm pretty angry with Gorky for having killed himself. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
PHONE WHINES It's not a nice thing to do. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
It's not nice for Natasha or for me. Where is it? | 0:46:12 | 0:46:17 | |
Here. I'll do it, dear. WHINING STOPS | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
You've only said half the story. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
-You're unbelievable. -What is the rest of it? | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
-You said you're less angry. -You're less angry with me? -Yeah. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:29 | |
-It's nice, isn't it? -She can't say it. Go on. Say it! | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
MARO LAUGHS She can't say it. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
Yeah, I am less angry with Mummy but... | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
Well, thank heaven. We've made friends. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
Friends, Mummy? It's difficult for mother and daughter to be friends. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:48 | |
-We'll always be mothers and daughters. -Well... | 0:46:48 | 0:46:52 | |
More than anything, I remember how fascinated he was with painting. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
That made me want to paint as well because I thought, my God! | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
Painting is a magical world. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
He would allow me to watch him painting. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
I was allowed to paint on the back of his paintings. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
Then I'd inevitably try and paint on the front and he didn't like that. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
He used to throw me out of his studio and... | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
..onto the grass. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:34 | |
The more he became famous, the more people started speaking about him. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:42 | |
Including our family. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
Then as he became more famous, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
the deader he became, he resuscitated like an exciting ghost. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:52 | |
'Had he lived to witness his own success, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
'my grandfather would have had to give up some of his secrets. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:03 | |
'As he became more recognised after his death, | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
'stories began to emerge, | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
'things he'd kept hidden from his loved ones.' | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
Of course, I didn't know his real name until after he was dead. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
So that was that. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
And found that his real name was...Vosdanik... | 0:48:20 | 0:48:24 | |
..Adoian. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
Which is also a nice name. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
He wanted to become an American. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
He didn't want to ever say that he was an Armenian. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:41 | |
I wanted to take him the way he wanted ME to take him. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
It never occurred to me that he would lie, for instance. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
But I was frightened to death of Gorky, in a funny way. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
'I remember my family was reluctant to visit the village where Gorky was born. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:06 | |
'They feared there'd be nothing there. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
'They did not want to defy him, let real images replace their perceptions of Gorky's Armenia.' | 0:49:09 | 0:49:15 | |
How many people were killed? | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
Between one and a half million and two million, three million. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
Anything. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
And there are no Armenians left in Van now? | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
As far as I can tell, there aren't. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:44 | |
The position of Gorky in this is that he is a very symbolic figure. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:48 | |
You cannot deny that he went through the experience | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
which Armenians describe as being a genocide and the Turks define as being a displacement. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:57 | |
'Gorky's father fled to America before the massacres really started. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:03 | |
'Once he was there, he soon set up a new family. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:08 | |
'Gorky's mother sent him a photograph of herself with her son, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
'to remind him of their existence. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
'But the father never replied. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
'Years later, Gorky found that picture forgotten in a drawer | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
'in his father's house in Watertown. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
'He took the photo back, left his father and changed his name. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:30 | |
'He was 21 years old.' | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
He told me they had to leave their farm | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
with his mother and his sister, Vartoosh. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
They had to walk all the way to Yerevan. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
Torn apart, torn from home, | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
walking around Mount Ararat. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
But there were enormous lots of them, of Armenian refugees | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
from Turkish Armenia over the border into Russia. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
Gorky always said his mother died of starvation. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
'The only written account by Gorky of his experience of genocide | 0:51:06 | 0:51:11 | |
'is a poem he wrote in 1944. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
'"The song of the cardinal, liver | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
"Mirrors that have not caught reflection. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:22 | |
'"The aggressively heraldic branches. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
'"The saliva of the hungry man | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
'"whose face is painted with white chalk." | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
'We went in search for Gorky's memories. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
'This monastery had been in his mother's family for centuries.' | 0:51:37 | 0:51:42 | |
I think down there looks very like it. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:48 | |
Do you see? That tiny little island is just there. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
The other picture, the mountains don't look like that. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
Natasha, there are not many big stones everywhere. | 0:51:55 | 0:52:00 | |
And here there are no mountains behind us that are that shape. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
-Well, let's just walk down this little path... -Around the bend. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
Why don't you go on ahead and explore? | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
I'll wait for Matthew. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
Matthew! There's some tombstones. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
WHISTLE | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
WHISTLING | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
All of your ancestors, my angel... | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
This is probably an ancestor of yours. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:36 | |
This is where my ancestors lived from 300 after Christ was born, | 0:52:36 | 0:52:44 | |
till when it was all destroyed. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
I think it's here. The curve of the land is exactly the same. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
Gosh! It does look like it! | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
-It looks just like it. -Yes. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
If you stand here, Matthew, come and look. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
'Gorky's mother often walked to this family church | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
'from her husband's village of Khorkom, | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
'the last on the promontory.' | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
It's funny to think that so many ferocious things went on here. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:17 | |
The thing about Gorky's memories of Khorkom | 0:53:17 | 0:53:22 | |
is that they're very close to the ground. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
You can almost feel that he's a child looking up at these things. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:29 | |
The gardens are these mysterious magical places with shapes. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
'"The walls of the house in Russia where I spent my childhood | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
'"were made of clay blocks, deprived of all detail | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
'"with a roof of rough timber."' | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
Gosh! How beautiful! | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
Incredible. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
'"I was taken away from my little village when I was five years old. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:10 | |
'"Yet, all my vital memories are of these first years. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:15 | |
'"These were the days when I smelled the bread, I saw my first red poppy, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:20 | |
'"the moon, the innocent seeing. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
'"Since then, these memories have become iconography, | 0:54:23 | 0:54:28 | |
'"the shapes, even the colours. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
'"Millstone, red earth, yellow wheat field, apricots. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:36 | |
'"On the road to the spring, my father had a little garden | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
'"with a few apple trees which had retired from giving fruit. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:44 | |
'"There was a ground constantly in shade, | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
'"where grew incalculable amounts of wild carrots | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
'"and porcupines had made their nests. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
'"But from where came all the shadows and constant battle | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
'"like the lances of Paolo Uccello's painting?"' | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
'The village where Gorky was born was called Khorkom. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
'It was left empty in 1915 and in 1918, Kurds took it over. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:14 | |
'They rebuilt it using stones from the Armenian houses. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
'Only one building remained intact.' | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
Beautiful! | 0:55:24 | 0:55:26 | |
-Here, they had the fire. -HE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
Then the smoke went up there. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
-They lived here. It wasn't a barn. -No, they lived. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
They stored the grain there. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
-The fire was here. -It's a magnificent room. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
And look at that beautiful goat! | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
-Look at the cobwebs. -I know. -They add to the marvellousness of it all. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
He was small when he left. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
Everything would have looked different | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
than if he'd come back as an adult. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
Everything was done from memory. He never came back. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
But he also, when he was in Virginia and he saw the weeds, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
he was very excited by the weeds so he recognised bits of here | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
in other rural places, like Virginia. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
He could make comparisons from his memories | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
and his observations. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
Maybe it was that moment of comparison, | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
that exciting vertigo of your memory and what you're observing, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:26 | |
that moment which isn't quite the same, but almost. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
This is so grand! | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
It may have been a mud hut, but look where it was! | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
It's unbelievably grand. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
Look at the shadows on the... | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
The shadows on those low mountains, those foothills. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
'Here was something my grandfather had NOT lied about. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:11 | |
'This was the view from his house. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:15 | |
'However brutish his circumstances, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
'from the first moment of consciousness, | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
'he was surrounded by supreme beauty. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
'On beauty, he pinned his lifelong perceptions. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
'Beauty was his guide and the talisman he left his descendants. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:33 | |
'Now, I look at my grandfather's paintings and I ask different questions. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:39 | |
'An imaginary conversation can begin. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:43 | |
'The white noise has gone and we share some memories.' | 0:57:43 | 0:57:48 | |
When I look back, I see him | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
as this whole thing that he'd erected to protect himself | 0:57:53 | 0:57:59 | |
had been broken by the bad luck of his operation, | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
the slowness of his arrival - | 0:58:03 | 0:58:07 | |
because he wanted to arrive in the United States. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:13 | |
And look how long it's taken him to get as much applause as he now has. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:18 | |
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