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Would you raise your right hand, please? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
-and nothing but the truth, so help you God? -Yeah. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Would you please give us your full name? | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Lance Armstrong. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
You understand that although we're in the conference room of your lawyers, | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
you are giving testimony as if you are in a court of law? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
-Do you understand that? -Correct. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
And that penalties of perjury attach to this deposition | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
-just like they would to a court of law proceeding. -Of course. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
There's been allegations | 0:00:32 | 0:00:33 | |
regarding what has been alleged to be a steroid or cortisone in connection... | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
-What do you mean, a steroid or a cortisone? -Cortisone, I apologise. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
-Because they're different. -I understand, believe me. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
One is actually anabolic and one is actually catabolic. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
Know what they've done with the money? | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
I just told you I don't know. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
-Was it earmarked... -Which part of "I don't know" do you not understand? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
-I'm just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. -How many times do I have to say it? | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
It can't be any clear than "I've never taken drugs". | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
How clear is that? | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
This programme contains some strong language. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:16 | |
His name is Lance Armstrong, and today, if his legs feel strong, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
this 21-year-old Texan can become | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
cycling's first million-dollar baby. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Regardless of the million-dollar prize, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
it's been a race that I wanted to win all year long | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
and now with that staring me in the face, it's an even bigger race. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
He's going for his third consecutive victory with only today's four states championship | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
standing in the way of winning the Thrift Drug Triple Crown - | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
look out Philadelphia, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
Lance is coming to town! | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
There was this million-dollar prize, if Lance Armstrong | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
could win, so all the pressure was on him, it was on the team. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
Thing is, he was the favourite going in - he was strong, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
he was beating up on everybody. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
I'll be disappointed with anything but a win. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
Lance had the chance to win it. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
But he knows, the man to beat that day, it was me. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
Philadelphia - it was my race, every year I was preparing for that race. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
And Frankie Andreu of Motorola | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
who has slowed down the brakes... | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
I remember Lance made a deal with some Italians. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
Stephen Swart, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
Davis Phinney, Tommy, the team have this deal with Lance. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
Lance Armstrong is flying up the wall, making it look almost effortless! | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
The last three laps is when the race is decided. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
That's when Lance starts talking to me, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
he wants to make sure that I was in the plan, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
didn't want to take any risk. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
And he say, "We make a deal, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
"and I know you're the only one can come with me, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
"but don't come with me." | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
And right on cue, Lance is out of the saddle, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
pushing himself into a higher gear. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
On my heart, on my deep heart, I don't want to do it, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
but when you have eight team-mates, you can't go against the team. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
The group could do nothing but watch Lance dance away into the lead | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
as they, compared to Lance, seemed to be standing still. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
And so I pulled back and see him going. And he went. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
CHEERING | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
And true to form, Lance doesn't disappoint them. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
Cycling's first million-dollar man, US Pro champion! | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
Deep inside, I feel terrible, because I know I could have, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
I could have won it. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:36 | |
For Lance, a joyous celebration with his mother. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
The success that Lance has seen and will continue to see | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
of course makes me very proud, there's not a better gift. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
Lance has rolled the dice and come up a winner. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
It's a big day for me but I think it's a bigger day for cycling, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
everybody won today. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
As far as I know, Philly's been going around for 30 years | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
and I don't think that's ever been done before. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
So, that's a huge chunk of change. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
After the race, Lance come to my room, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
with a cake box, a metal cake box, a Panettone | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
and he just gave it to me and say "Merry Christmas". | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
It was, like, 100,000. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
Cash. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
'This was a... This was a Lance Armstrong specialty.' | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
'I really want to win a classic.' | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
I mean, if you're going to put a lot of time into it, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
if I'm going to be 18, 19, 20 years old | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
and I'm going to give up an education, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
-if I'm going to give up... -That is what you did? | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
Yeah, if I'm going to give up time at home, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
sure, it better be rewarding, in terms of money. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
'Always in the back of Lance's mind' | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
was that great fortunes can be made in professional road racing. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
And for a poor kid growing up, hard scrabble in Texas, it's important. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:05 | |
The next progression is to race in Europe, in the biggest pro races. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
Como, Italy, was kind of like the American base. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
A lot of 7-Eleven guys were living there, and at that time, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
Lance and I, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
I don't know how we got into the discussion, but we decided, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
"Hey, we'll live together for next year" and so I was like, "Sweet. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
"It'll be good, it'll be fun." | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
It was great. You know, cooking, having risotto. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
I remember eating watermelon out on the balcony and we had this bad little car, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
that we used to get around. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
I mean, we weren't teenagers, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:36 | |
but it was like teenagers just hanging out in Europe. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Frankie was Lance's closest friend, and because I was dating Frankie, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
I became friends with Lance as well, and he was fun. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
He was fun to hang out with. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:49 | |
And Lance and I had a unique relationship, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
because so many people from early on would just kow-tow to him, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:58 | |
but with Lance, he would try to rib me, and try to just get me going, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:04 | |
and so we would butt heads and we would argue. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
But we kind of, I think, enjoyed getting under each other's skin. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:14 | |
Hello again, and welcome back to the Tour de France. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
We're at Stage 8 this morning and the sun is still shining... | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
-The Tour de France... -HE LAUGHS | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
..REALLY hard. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Racing bikes in Europe is bad for you, it's not healthy. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
You sacrifice a lot to be successful. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
CAR HORNS BEEP | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
At the Tour de France, I was rooming with Lance, and I was like, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
"Lance, this is your day. This is the one you can win. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
And he was like, "Really, you think so? I'm like, "Yeah!" | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
Armstrong is fifth down the line... | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Armstrong has the advantage... | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
It's got, like, a little 6K climb at the end, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
I mean, it's power downhill sprint, it's perfect. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
And on that day, the whole team committed, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
led him out to the bottom of that climb | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
and pretty much, "All right, go!" | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
Armstrong boxed in by Dominique Arnould, who won the first stage of the Tour a year ago. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
They've pushed Armstrong very, very wide indeed as Pensec goes | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
and Pensec really isn't a sprinter, this would be a surprise. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Ronan Pensec leading out, now Armstrong goes, on the left of the picture, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
Lance Armstrong in his first Tour de France, they all said he was too young, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
but he gets it on the line! | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
We met at the Motorola Hotel, he was only 21 years of age, he was riding | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
the Tour for the first time | 0:07:32 | 0:07:33 | |
and in that pathetic way of sports writers, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
we like to be able to say at some future point, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
"Oh, you know, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
"I interviewed Lance when he was just a kid in his first Tour", | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
it was going to be like a badge of honour. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
That was a lot of fun. That was really - | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
I think, just the way it went down with the last climb | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
and guys were attacking and I was so motivated... | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
When I asked him about what he felt like coming towards the end of race, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
he said, "Oh, when I get in the situation with the little group of 6 or 8 riders | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
"and I know I've got a real chance of winning" he said, "I start to shriek and my body shakes. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
"And I think about my mum - she didn't raise a quitter." | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
I had this sense of a guy who just wouldn't be beaten. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
Who through the force of his will and his personality, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
became almost somebody different. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
There's Dekker on the floor again! | 0:08:28 | 0:08:29 | |
And Lance Armstrong has sprinted the gap closed... | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
Lance Armstrong, who has joined... | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
Now he's looking back and seeing nobody | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
as he become champion of the world. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
Lance Armstrong, 21 years of age, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
is America's second only World ever Road Race Champion, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
beating the greatest man of the moment in world cycling, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
Miguel Indurain. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:50 | |
He raised a smile there, but I think Miguel, very disappointed. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
And could it be that we're watching the man | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
who will replace the great Greg LeMond in the years ahead, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Lance Armstrong now. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:02 | |
Indurain goes now, in what to him will hopefully re-establish him | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
as the best rider... | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
'Through 1993,' | 0:09:15 | 0:09:16 | |
the races just increased, the speeds were so dramatic, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
it was night and day. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
One of the riders was told what was going on in the Spanish team. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
The rider just said, "Pff, you guys have no chance. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
"We're doing EPO, growth hormone, testosterone. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
"You'll never make it." | 0:09:31 | 0:09:32 | |
He comes up to the line, 1 hour 50 and 58, 2 minutes precisely! | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
Well, the way that guy came by... | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
and that was probably part of the reason that I'm so wasted in the end | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
because I tried to match his speed | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
and he goes along the flats 55, 56, 57 K's an hour, I was 53.11. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
Getting dropped! | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
We're talking about the speed of the peloton and this new drug EPO | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
and talking about Dr Ferrari. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
Lance would have known Ferrari by reputation. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
Now he wanted to meet the man and start working with him. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
Ferrari had a reputation of being the best in the business. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
If you wanted to win races, win the Tour, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
you go see this guy and he's going to set you up. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
As good as that reputation was, everybody knew that if you went | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
to see Ferrari, you were going to get doped. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
So Lance kept it a secret from everyone for a long time. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
And Lance had the intelligence to see that Ferrari was special | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
in terms of his understanding of physiology, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
and of the drugs and how they interacted. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
With his charisma and his natural intelligence, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Lance was able to endear himself to Ferrari, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
become the Adam of what would be Ferrari's creation. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
You keep doing your job as Frankenstein | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
and I'll be the best monster you've ever created. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
And Ferrari loved him for that. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
You know, the pupil from heaven. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
The train just started rolling full blast, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
just like, it was just... | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
reefing across the landscape. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
It is, he's gone. Armstrong has gone, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
the sort of thing he did in the World Championship at Oslo. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
Is this man on the start of his greatest ever season? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
Travelling at nearly 40mph, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
Armstrong showing enormous determination. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
You couldn't develop a product more perfect for the ravages | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
of endurance athletics than EPO. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
Armstrong has done it today. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
EPO was done in secret. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
You never knew what anybody else was doing. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
Even for the top, top guys, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
they never knew what the other guy was doing, so everybody thought | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
they had to do more in order to be able to win, or to keep up. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
I was tired of getting beat up on, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
tired of getting dropped and watching fat sprinters get over | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
category-one climbs and win. Getting thrown out the back of the group. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
"I'm going to, I'm not going to." You know, sleepless nights, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
figuring out, and then... | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
-You did a great job. -We're going, "That's out Frankie!" | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
-That's great. Congratulations. -Thanks a lot. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
Have you been enjoying the Tour de France? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
No comment. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
Sure enough, eventually I cracked. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
Yeah, drove to Switzerland and pretty much just walked | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
into a pharmacy, just like, could have bought chewing gum. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
It was that easy. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:33 | |
But then the punch-up started. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
Lance Armstrong, number 61 for the Motorola Team. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
When you're racing, you think you're invincible. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
You think you can do anything, nothing's going to stop you, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
nothing's going to harm you and then all of a sudden... | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
From the beginning of the Tour, I knew that I was a step off, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
and a lot of times when your body is down like that, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
then a virus or any illness will move in and take over. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
That evening the phone rings, and I hear Lance's neighbour | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
on the other end, and he said "Linda, I don't know any easy way | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
"to tell you this, but Lance has been diagnosed with cancer." | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
It literally crushed every single piece of me on the inside. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
On Wednesday October 2nd, I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
Prior to seeing my doctor last week, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
I'd been experiencing swelling | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
and pain in one of my testicles, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
and I'd coughed up some blood. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
On Thursday October 3rd, I underwent | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
surgery at St David's hospital | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
here in Austin, to have the malignant testicle removed. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
A CAT scan was also performed the same day. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
The CAT scan revealed that my condition has spread into my abdomen. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
At the time, I think most people would have suggested, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
with the brain metastases and such, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
that at best you'd cure maybe one out of three of those people. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
It was awful, and I thought how in the hell does a guy | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
who's in such good shape, so young, get cancer? | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
The first impression I got, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
which is the impression I get from a lot of people, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
is that he was scared. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
He was certainly looking at very primal aspects. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
You know, saving his life or not, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
and a lot of secondary consequences - his career, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
family, future kids. All that. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
We wanted to go see Lance, and the time to see him | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
was after his brain surgery, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
and so Frankie and I made the six-hour drive to Indiana. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
And that was the first time I'd seen him since the announcement, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
and I remember seeing the big horseshoe scar | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
on the top of his head. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
We went into the room and it was a football game, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
Dallas Cowboys football game was playing. So he was in there, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
his girlfriend at the time Lisa Shields was there, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
and Stephanie McIlvain, the rep from Oakley was there. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
Chris Carmichael, his coach, was there with Paige, I think. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
And the doctors came in, and when the doctors came in... | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
..they said, "Oh, you know, we need to ask you some questions." | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
I said, "We should leave, let him have his privacy." | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
And Lance said, "No, no, no. Don't worry about it. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
"You guys can stay, no problem." And I said, "OK, we'll stay." | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
They asked a few banal questions, and then one of them was | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
"Have you ever used any performance-enhancing drugs?" | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
And Lance, just nonchalantly holding on to his IV, staring down, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
rattled off, "Yeah, EPO, testosterone, growth hormone, cortisone and steroids." | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
And at that point my jaw was, like, holy shit, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
because Betsy's sitting right next to me. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
I don't know what the hell she's thinking. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
And I was like, "We got to go." | 0:15:59 | 0:16:00 | |
And we stood up and walked out of the room, right away. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
I was furious, because I said to him, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
"That's how Lance got his cancer, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
"and if you're doing that, I'm not marrying you." | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
We were just engaged six weeks earlier. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
She was upset that he was taking that stuff. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
She was crazy, like, if I was taking that stuff, then if you're | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
taking all that stuff, it obviously is going to affect your health. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
Because I thought, "Oh, my gosh, is this going on? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
"Is everybody doing this?" And Frankie swore to me no. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
Had to do with trust, and is she going to marry me? | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
So, you know, it was, yeah, you know, I think she even | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
right there on the spot threatened, like, "I'm not marrying you | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
"if you're doing all that stuff". | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
I was just ready to call the whole thing off. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
Before cancer, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:49 | |
Lance had signed up for the French Team Cofidis. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
It wasn't know if he would live or race bikes again. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
All of those things were not known. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
I still have a ways to go on the bike. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
Does it sound like some kind of miracle cure? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
No, it's not a miracle. Everything was... | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
The therapy was normal therapy. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
I had to do just as much as everybody else. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
He made the decision to go because they were astonished to see him | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
there, and then he decided he would carry on to Italy | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
and see Michele Ferrari, for what would have been | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
really just a friend-to-friend visit. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
That is extraordinary, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
because it indicated | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
that in a relatively short time, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
he and Michele Ferrari had become very close, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
and it was also a visit to say, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
"If I come back and I make a full recovery, I'm going to achieve | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
"everything I ever wanted to achieve, whatever it takes, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
"and I want you working with me." | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
The American Mafia. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
Took him a long time to find a team | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
and a structure that would make it worthwhile. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
When I tried to come back, there was no interest. None. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
And then finally signed the deal with the US Postal Team. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
I think that if I were to come back and to win, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
and to be successful, I would consider that a complete recovery, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
as an athlete. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:21 | |
As much as Lance wanted to win, Thom Weisel wanted to win, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
and he was the creator of the US Postal Team. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
People talk about Lance being this kind of ruthless alpha male leader. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:36 | |
Tom Weisel was one of those. You know, a ruthless guy. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
Lance's first contract was for minimal wages. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
Weisel said, "Go out there, win races, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
"prove you're back competitive and I'll give you a huge bonus." | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
And he went after those bonuses like, tooth and nail. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
Lance, that's 40 seconds on Masolini and one minute and ten seconds. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
On certain teams, you have riders that are acquaintances. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
He was just smiling a minute ago! | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
Or co-workers. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
That '99 Tour Team, we were friends and good friends. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
We were just, we were close. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
It was a close-knit group of riders. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
Hincapie, Livingston, Vande Velde, Lance, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
and we would do anything for each other. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
I hate the French. Screw the French. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
Frankie was on that team, Tyler Hamilton was on that team. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
When I got selected to do the team, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
I told my parents. I told them to come over | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
because this is probably the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
to see me in the Tour de France. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:47 | |
Lance, Kristin, Frankie and I were driving | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
from Milano to Sanremo, and Lance had to make a stop to see Ferrari, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
which was outside of Milano, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
in the parking lot of a hotel gas station... | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
..in Ferrari's camper van. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
And I said, "Why are you meeting him here? | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
"Isn't that odd, you meeting Ferrari, your doctor, here?" | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
He said, "So the fucking journalists don't find out." | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
And I said, "Well, what's wrong, if the journalists find out?" | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
And he just looked at me and he glared. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
Kristin and I had to waste about an hour | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
until Lance was done doing his tests with Ferrari. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
When he was finished, Lance was pretty excited, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
and he said, "My numbers are great." | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
And then he got in the car, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:45 | |
he looked through his rear view mirror, he looked at me | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
and he said, "Frankie could get results too, but he's too cheap." | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
He told me a bunch of times, that I needed to step up, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
and I should go see Ferrari. You know, there's no way. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
I just felt like if I was even linked as going to see Ferrari, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
that automatically meant I was a doper. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
The danger about EPO and there in France was, you know, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
there was a big bust the year before. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
Riders and staff went to jail. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
French police raided the hotel rooms of several leading riders | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
and found stashes of performance-enhancing drugs. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Another leading rider was missing from the line-up, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
in police custody... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:25 | |
It was the year after the Festina affair, where a lot of drugs | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
were caught within a team. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
The team couldn't risk taking it to the race. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
You know, we'd lose the sponsor right away. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
To get EPO for the Tour de France, we came up with a plan. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
Well, after last year's sensational Tour de France, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
who knows what we can expect this time around. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
Departure of the man everybody is talking about, Richard Virenque. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
Did you hear that cheer? | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
The plan had Motorman involved. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
Motorman was a French... | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
He used to be a gardener/handyman | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
for Lance Armstrong. He loved to ride motorcycles. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
Back to Abraham Olano, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
I think probably the number one favourite now. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
He would follow the race, always stay within probably | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
a half-hour drive from our hotel. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
The best finisher of a year ago, Bobby Julich. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
He's based everything on this month, the Tour de France, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
he wants to be the American winner. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
But the man doing great times out on the course, Phil, is Lance Armstrong. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
He hasn't been here for a couple of years because of his illness | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
but he's back now. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
Motor Man would basically just wait for a phone call. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
The EPO would arrive, you know, in the evening. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
He's just about done. 8.18, Chris Boardman. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
8 minutes and 12 seconds for Abraham Olano | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
8.09, Zulle has rewritten the finishing order for now. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
And Armstrong coming up now, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
can he get off to a great start in the Tour de France? | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
He is aiming at eight minutes and nine seconds, | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
he's certainly ahead of Chris Boardman | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
at this point, my goodness me! | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
8:02.51, Lance Armstrong, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
with that performance, I think may have done enough. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
The team doctor, Garcia del Moral, he knew about it. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
Johan Bruyneel knew about it. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
You were right there in the heart of the Tour de France, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
you know? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
Thousands and thousands of people around the team camper. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
-All the way from Indianapolis! -No time, sorry. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
I remember just trying to get rid of it as quickly as possible. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
You quickly just stuck it in, got rid of it. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
then it was quickly hidden away, typically in like, a Coke can. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
It was nerve-racking, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
but yet, at the time, it was kind of exciting too, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
cos you were being such a deviant. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
Sestriere, the first big mountain day. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
Destination's Sestriere, 213km of distance... | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
We had a job to set up Lance, to keep him as fresh as possible | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
till that final climb. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
US Postal, where the pace-making up the climb was done by Frankie Andreu. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
We had to set the tempo, to be able to keep things together, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
and then riding on the front like a drag race, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
as hard as we could to the bottom of the climb, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
turn and then start riding as hard as I could, like a field sprint. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
When I was watching the Tour on TV, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
I saw Frankie climbing, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
leading the pack up a mountain in Sestriere. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
He doesn't specialise in sprinting, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
he doesn't specialise in mountain climbing. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
He just specialises in being the worker bee, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
so when Frankie was actually pulling on Sestriere, | 0:24:54 | 0:25:00 | |
it just didn't make sense. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
And so I called a friend of mine in Paris, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
and I said "Are you seeing what I'm seeing?" | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
And she said, "Yeah, isn't it great? Frankie's doing wonderful. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
"He's doing so well." And I said, "Wonderful, my ass. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
"He's not a climber, he should not be pulling. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
An attack there by Armstrong. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
Look at the acceleration of this as he chases down those motorbikes. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Five and a half hours he's been pedalling today, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
marking everything, never looking distressed | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
and now he's going to try and tear this race apart. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
That was an unbelievable attack, he took a lot of risk to go up | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
through the inside there. There was hardly any room at all. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Armstrong is so comfortable, he jumped across that gap. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
That gap was up to 30 seconds. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
We're watching the Sestriere stage, and it was shocking. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
It was like, "Oh, my God, he's dropping riders, dropping climbers." | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
This man has managed to come back from the face of death... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
One of the mechanics was right next to me, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
and he said, "Il est sur le jus." | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
And Armstrong is ripping the legs off this climber right now. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
"Il est sur le jus." Like, he's on the juice. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
And I'm like, "What?" He said, "He's on the juice." | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
He is going faster and faster, and he is going to win this... | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
I said, "How do you know?" | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
He said, "Look at his eyes, his breathing. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
"There's no suffering." | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
It's almost like whatever they're doing, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
they got so much oxygen, it's like they're not feeling the pain. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
He's talking on his radio, his phone, and it was surreal. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
And the rain starts again as Lance Armstrong conquers Sestriere now. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
He heads up towards the line. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
Now he's ridden fast and dropped his rivals, mano-a-mano. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
This will be some victory salute. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
It will be a while before we know if it is as the winner | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
of the Tour de France, but there are few people in this race now | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
will doubt that. Lance Armstrong comes across the line | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
winner today of the mountain stage of the Tour de France. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
He is really ripping the race apart. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
And so that night after the race I called Frankie, and I said, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
"What in the hell was that?" | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
And he said, "What was what?" | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
"What are you doing? What are you taking? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
"I don't believe you. This is bullshit. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
There are a lot of secrets, lot of secrets, lot of... | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
It was almost like I was in this just bizarre movie, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
some sort of wild western movie. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
Lance Armstrong, le maillot jaune, soupconne de Dopage... | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
But something didn't go right. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
It was the UCI really who alerted us. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
En matiere de Dopage, Lance Armstrong n'a rien a cacher... | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
After winning the prologue, you're tested. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
But then everybody saw you speaking to the Italians | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
so is it just an English language ban? | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
When Lance was tested for that, when the results came back, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
he had high levels of corticosteroids in his system. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
Cortisone definitely worked. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
You know, you could push through to a whole 'nother level on it, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
so over the years, I myself took cortisone many times - | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
not for injuries, but for performance enhancement. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
Now you're going to speak...? | 0:28:23 | 0:28:24 | |
-Actually, we were looking for you in there. -You were? OK. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
Lance had asked us to pick up something from the Spanish doctor in Spain. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
What these people need to remember is that I was | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
the World Champion in 1993 when nobody had heard of drugs. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
So I went down to Spain, picked up the product. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
That was cloak and dagger. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
Nobody had heard of EPO. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
Johan, he just kind of passed it as he's walking by, he just passed | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
it into my hand and said, "Lovely day." Just to make sure I had it. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
I've proven my class. I've shown my class, from day one. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
Then we were getting back up to the border to go into France, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
there's never a queue at this border. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
There's no secrets here. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
There was a queue. I'd seen what happened after the Festina affair | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
and I thought, "Oh, God - I could be one of these that got picked up | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
"last year in the Tour," and I must have aged about ten years. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
We have the oldest secret in the book - hard work. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
So, but luckily enough, we didn't get stopped. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
Came back to France and gave Lance the little bottle | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
in the car park of McDonalds and Frasiers. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
We needed to come up with a proper plan that we're on the same page. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:34 | |
So while I'm giving Lance his massage, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
the others from the team came in. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
The problem that had to be sorted was that Lance | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
didn't have a prescription for corticosteroids, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
so the idea was then that the doctor would write a prescription for that, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
but backdate it to pre the prologue, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
and just pretend it was a cream that Lance was taking for saddle sores. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
And then as we kind of come to the end of the whole conversation | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
about steroids, Lance just goes, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
"Oh, well, now you know enough to bring me down." | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
The next day was the press conference, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
and everything could just blow up in everybody's faces. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
To think I'm going to come back into sport and risk my life | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
with performance-enhancing drugs is crazy. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
When I tried to come back to the sport, nobody gave me a chance. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
Nobody gave me a chance. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:17 | |
"So he must be doing something", so it's the same mentality. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
It's the same mentality, it's consistent through and through. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Tonight, he has some very high-level help | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
because the UCI, the world governing body of cycling, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
have just released this press communique. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
They confirm basically that the rider used an ointment, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
and they give the brand name, | 0:30:32 | 0:30:33 | |
and that he also offered them a medical prescription | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
before his test. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
He comes up to the line - 16 seconds, 15, 14, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
it is getting desperately close here. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
Zulle versus Armstrong, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:44 | |
and Zulle loses! Armstrong is the winner, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
he has achieved yet another page in this fairy story | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
that just goes on. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
I'm so proud of my son, always have been, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
and the fact that we overcame cancer, and we're here today, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
in the yellow jersey. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
And when you see him tomorrow in the yellow jersey on the Champs-Elysees? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
A picture without words. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
..the winner of the Tour de France, in a big field, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
is the American Lance Armstrong, and what a ride that has been. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
It will be remembered in the millennium | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
as one of the finest sporting achievements in the history | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
of not just cycling, but any sport. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
Back in his home state of Texas, they are celebrating a hero. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
The most fantastic feeling, we're just so proud of him | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
and this whole team, they just... | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
It's absolutely incredible and we're | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
so excited to celebrate tonight | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
all of us! | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
We were talking about how our lives were going to change, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
and so I asked the question, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
"So, what do you think about EPO, Kristin?" | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
"Oh, it's a necessary evil." | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
And I thought, "Oh, my God, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
"she doesn't care. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
"She just doesn't care." | 0:32:05 | 0:32:06 | |
-Smile - say cheese! -Howdy! | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
Congratulations, friend, on behalf of all of us in Texas and America, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
we're so proud of you. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
He went up and he went up. Lance is on the wheel. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
There's Tyler. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
Take it easy on camera. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
-Luis! -How are you? Are you tired today? | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
No. Be well. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
Carmichael and Stapleton, unbelievable. They're so serious. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:37 | |
The man, the myth - Johan Bruyneel. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
-Say hello to my family. -Hi, family! | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
In Texas, all eyes were on | 0:32:45 | 0:32:46 | |
American Tour de France winner Lance Armstrong. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
A parade was held in his honour in Austin, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
Armstrong's adopted hometown. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
Many people wore yellow, the colour of the winner's jersey... | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
STOCK MARKET BELL RINGS | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
..proclaim July 29 in the city of New York as | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
Lance Armstrong Day. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
..Cycling's biggest prize, the Tour de France, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
the first American winner to lead an American team, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
and in record time at that. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
Nobody believed in us, nobody believed that | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
if Lance Armstrong took the yellow jersey, with the help of his team, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
on stage eight, how could they keep it to stage 22? | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
They thought the team would crack. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
But that team of seven out of nine guys being American, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
an American team, an American sponsor, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
they were the strongest team in the race. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
And everybody in Paris knew that. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
And I can assure you that next year's Tour de France, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
there will be no, there'll be no doubters. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
Welcome to Futuroscope on the outskirts of Poitiers, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
and to the 87th running of the Tour de France. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
All of a sudden they're talking about this EPO test coming out. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:03 | |
Le mouvement cycliste est d'accord | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
de faire... | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
We didn't know exactly when it was coming out, but no longer | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
could you feel 100% safe. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
You take a shot of EPO, you know, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:18 | |
you can get tested the next day or the day after that. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
We weren't 100% sure we were going to test negative. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
So that's when we did a blood transfusion. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
Who was organising all of that? | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
Lance and Johan Bruyneel, and the doctor, del Moral, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
had told me a couple of days before we made a trip down to Spain. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
You know, my first time doing it. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
And it seemed kind of, sort of caveman-like. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
You know, taking out your own blood, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
not seeing it for three or four weeks. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
Weather conditions out here really have been atrocious. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
It's only around about six or seven degrees Celsius... | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
The night before our first rest day, we were in this small hotel, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
just south of Mont Ventoux, which is a famous climb in France. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
20 minutes before it actually happened, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
they told me, "We're doing the transfusion." | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
Re-infuse the blood, tonight. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
I arrived in my room and it was pretty wild. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
The staff had sort of prepared everything, the doctors. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
There was a blood bag taped up on the wall. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
You know, a red tube coming down, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
a tube filled with blood coming down. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
Basically, they, you know, injected me here. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
I have pretty small veins, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
so the one place that always worked was right there. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
And it's, you can see the scars today... | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
It was a big needle. It's a serious needle. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
You don't mess around with those things. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
Halfway through it, I'm like, almost shivering, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
because, you know, these bags have been, you know, in a refrigerator. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
So they're almost like, you know, just taking icy cold water, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
nearly a gallon of it, and pouring it down your throat. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
I never did, you know, blood transfusions, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
growth hormone, whatever. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
I wasn't willing to get into a full doping programme. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
Betsy was upset, so that was definitely on my mind. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
A little bit of being scared of getting caught. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
Here is the Devil, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
probably wishing some luck to the US Postal riders today... | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
I think we were all pretty nervous, but almost giddy about it. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
We're in the heart of France doing this completely illegal procedure. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
US Postal were pace-making by Frankie Andreu, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:51 | |
but he paid the price. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:52 | |
I remember, the third week I was dead. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
I mean, barely able to get through it, and just, you know, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
it's not an option to quit. That's the only reason I got through it, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
but I was getting dropped and in the back, and I was suffering a lot. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
I think he'll just about get in but he's aiming at the time | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
of 15.27. We're watching probably the second-fastest time trial | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
in the history of the Tour de France... | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
I had done a lot to help Lance Armstrong, | 0:37:16 | 0:37:18 | |
I had done a lot to help the team, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
and I just wanted to race one more year, but they had different thoughts. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
Armstrong rocks and rolls his way home here now. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
His time is 15.01, he wins the time trial. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
Fantastic. I will definitely come back. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
I will definitely be back next year. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
I don't know how many more years, but definitely be back next year. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
He finished 111th, but on Lance's team, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
it doesn't pay to finish 111th when you're at the Tour. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
I would say, Johan, thanks for giving us the vision, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
but we already had the vision, so... | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
Here we are at this Tour de France party with hundreds of people | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
and everybody is celebrating the cancer survivor's | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
incredible win at the most gruelling sporting event in the world. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
What wasn't there to celebrate? | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
It was a fraud. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
It was a fraud. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
CHEERING | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
Stephanie McIlvain wasn't invited to the Tour De France party, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
which we found very peculiar | 0:38:29 | 0:38:30 | |
given that she was Lance's personal liaison, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
so she went as our guest and we clicked and a friendship was born. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
Stephanie had been there with us visiting Lance in Indiana, | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
and the hospital incident came up, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
and Stephanie and I were marvelling at how | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Lance was snowballing the American media, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
because they were just buying into this fairy tale. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
It seemed like it worked, seemed like it worked. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
Now, looking back, "Oh, my God, what was I doing?" | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
But you're so deep into it, you know, you don't even have time | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
to take a half step back and look at the big picture. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
I think if we all stepped back | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
and looked at the great franchises that have been built... | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
I'm glad we didn't get caught. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
I would have been... | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
We all would have been. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
It became very divided. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:40 | |
You were on Lance's side or you were on my side. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
And ultimately, you know, he had control of who was hired, | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
fired, and whichever. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:46 | |
Frankie was a good guy. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
To have your career end | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
because you wouldn't get on Lance's doping programme? | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
It's just, it's not right. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
Please welcome 1999's ESPY comeback athlete of the year... | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
We're all in this together, it's going to touch all our lives. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
We will win this fight one day. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
Lance called me one day | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
and said, "We're putting together this foundation. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
"We're going to focus on testicular cancer." | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
Tour de France, baby. Lance Armstrong. Maillot jaune. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
Thank you, Lance, thank you! I love you! | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
People believed in Lance. They believed in his story, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
they believed in his hope. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:37 | |
We're all going to leave, I think, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
with a different perspective on this illness, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
and a different perspective on this movement called survivorship. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
I tip my hat to Lance Armstrong | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
and to the whole US Postal Team. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
The success of the foundation began to grow and succeed, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
literally in tandem with Lance's success | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
Tour after Tour after Tour. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
15,000. Can we go 20? | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
Sold, 30,000. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
They approached me about exploring the possibility of coming down | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
and running the foundation. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
Sold, 56,000. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:18 | |
My motivation, my primary motivation, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
in taking that position, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
was the fact that I had, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
um... | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
a very personal experience. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
I had been diagnosed with cancer. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
We believe in life, your life. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
Greg LeMond was my friend, and I called him. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
And I begged him. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
I said, "Steve, you won't make it." | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
I said, "You are way too ethical. I'm just telling you, don't do it." | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
But I needed to talk to Lance. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
We met at a bar and I said, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
"is there ANYTHING that might happen | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
"that would negatively impact | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
"the work of the foundation and me professionally?" | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
And he put his beer down and looked me in the eye... | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
..and said, "Steve, you have NOTHING to worry about. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
"We're going to have a good ride on this. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
"This is going to be great." | 0:42:20 | 0:42:21 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -And there is Armstrong. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
He's not looking good, he's all over his machine right now. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
He doesn't look good, Phil. he should not be riding so far down the group. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
He's obviously having a very hard day. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
This is where you have to race alone and Armstrong's gone. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
A big move by Lance, this | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
and no reply coming at all from Jan Ullrich. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Ullrich has got no answer to this. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
He's fooled everybody in the Tour de France. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
I never expected Armstrong to do this. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
He has ripped the field apart and he is climbing now to the... | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
..and he was riding to win the Tour de France. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
Now are we seeing the foundations | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
of the man who will win the Tour for the third time in Paris? | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
"Yes, that's the one I wanted and I've got it." | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
I had been convinced for some time | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
that Armstrong worked with Michele Ferrari. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
FAINT ITALIAN VOICE | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
I got the Italian police to help me. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
They got me evidence that Lance, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
in the space of two years, spent 13 days in the town of Ferrara | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
and the only reason, if you were Lance Armstrong, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
for being in Ferrara, was to see this doping doctor. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
L'americain se rend au conference de presse - comme sur la route, | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
il n'a allude aucune question sur le Dopage. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
-Wow! -He had to do a press conference on the rest day in Pau. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
I think this is a clean tour. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:40 | |
And in that press conference, 16 questions go, | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
no questions about doping and then bang, | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
first question is asked | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
and the doping questions then come like a, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
like in an avalanche. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
And as soon as the question turned to doping, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
Lance did something quite strange. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
I believe he's an honest man, | 0:43:56 | 0:43:57 | |
I believe he's a fair man and I believe he's an innocent man. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
He started fixing his gaze on me. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
and even though it was some journalist over here who asked the question, | 0:44:03 | 0:44:07 | |
Lance would refer to me in his answer. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
I've never denied the relationship. Even to you. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
DISTANT MOBILE PHONE ALERT Um... | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
People are not stupid. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
They say, "Has Lance Armstrong ever tested positive?" No. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:22 | |
"Has Lance Armstrong been tested?" A lot. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
But I found that just wholly unconvincing. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
VOICE OF FRENCH TV REPORTER | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
Two weeks later, David Walsh called up | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
and I'm like, "God, I, I don't know what to say". | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
So I chose my words as well as I could | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
and I just said, "I'm disappointed he's seeing Ferrari". | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
And then David posed the question, now, | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
"if he's clean, would you consider this the greatest comeback | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
"in the history of sport?" And I said, "Absolutely". | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
And he said, "but what if he isn't?" | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
I said, "Then it would be the greatest fraud". | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
After that comment came out, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
our whole lives changed in an hour | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
after that was published. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
We went out to dinner | 0:45:07 | 0:45:08 | |
and Lance, he said, "Fucking LeMond. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
"His comments about Ferrari | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
"and how he's disappointed that I'm working with Ferrari". | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
Lance flipped. You know, and at that dinner it was vent session. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
"Who does Greg think he is? I'm going to destroy him", | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
all this kind of stuff. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:22 | |
And I said, "Yeah, but I thought Ferrari's a BAD guy". | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
And he just looked at me and he glared. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
And he said, "I'm going to fuck him over". | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
DISTANT CHEERING | 0:45:37 | 0:45:38 | |
Lance returned to the US. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
He was scheduled to throw | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
the opening game baseball at Yankee Stadium. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
And he was sitting in his hotel room at the Four Seasons. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
He calls Greg LeMond. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
We were at bag claim, | 0:45:59 | 0:46:00 | |
Minneapolis airport, I had pulled up outside... | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
MOBILE PHONE RINGS FAINTLY ..and the phone rang | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
and Greg says, "It's Lance". | 0:46:06 | 0:46:08 | |
He said, "Oh, come on, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
"your win in '89 was a miracle, just like mine, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
"in '99", I said, whoa... | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
That's where you're wrong, buddy, cos mine wasn't a miracle. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
I worked my ass off, I barely won by eight seconds. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
-No miracle there. -COMMENTATOR: -..by eight seconds. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
He said to Greg, "You're telling me YOU never did EPO?" | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
Absolutely not. "Oh, come on - everybody takes EPO." | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
And he mentioned drugs that I | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
never heard of. Hemasist, er, Hemopure, PFC's. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
He listed probably ten drugs I'd never heard of. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
"Is that what you think I'm on?" I'm like, whoa, um... | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
You know, he was VICIOUS. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
He said, "Well, if you want to throw stones, I'll throw stones". | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
And he said, "I'll get people, I'll get ten people to say you took EPO". | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
Holy shit. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:55 | |
And Greg... | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
just said, "I'm sorry, but if anybody comes out saying I used EPO, | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
"I'm going to know it came from you | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
"and you paid 'em". | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
TELEPHONE RINGS | 0:47:05 | 0:47:07 | |
Cos I know that Steve was working at Lance Armstrong Foundation, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
I called him just to say, you know, "This is what happened to me". | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
'This is Greg LeMond calling.' | 0:47:13 | 0:47:14 | |
He was clearly shaken. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
And he proceeds over the course of 45 minutes to an hour | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
telling me exactly what had just transpired. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:24 | |
Including the threat. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
The next day, I get a call from Lance. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
And he proceeds to tell | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
of his conversation with Greg. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
He was out of control, he was clearly drunk. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
We've gotten reports back | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
that, "Oh, yeah, Greg had a drug and alcohol problem". | 0:47:41 | 0:47:45 | |
I actually had a reporter call and ask me one day, | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
if Greg had a heroin problem. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
What was interesting | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
is Lance's version was completely different than Greg's version | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
and it was certainly at that moment in time I thought... | 0:47:57 | 0:48:02 | |
HE HUFFS AND CHUCKLES | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
I have been made a fool of. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
'I packed my car and I drove out of Texas' | 0:48:16 | 0:48:22 | |
and the next day I resigned. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
Absolutely, I had to learn a lot about the illness | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
and I had to learn a lot about my options. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
Mm-hm. Did you ever consider the option of giving up? | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
Oh, no. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:33 | |
-APPLAUSE -That's great. That's great. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
Because it's not an option, is it? | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
It's just not an option. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
-CAR HORNS -Tyler Hamilton left the team, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:51 | |
because Tyler was incredibly ambitious | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
and he was resentful of Lance's profile. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
He was a...absolutely driven guy, a bit like Lance, | 0:48:56 | 0:49:01 | |
had to win and Tyler thought the only way that I can win the Tour | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
is to be in another team | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
and when I go and leave this team | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
I then am going to get a doping programme | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
-just as good, if not better than Lance's. -One, two... | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
There became more stresses, you know, having to | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
work with my own special doctor there in Spain, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
having to organise those trips. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
It wasn't the team handling it. WHISTLE | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
The easy part about the US Postal Service cycling team | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
for me in terms of doping was it was all kind of taken care of, | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
like, one-stop shopping. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:35 | |
Stuart O'Grady has moved too far back | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
and there's been a mass pile-up there, it was Tyler went down, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
and the peloton completely crashing on the line. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
And if Tyler Hamilton left the team, Lance needed | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
a young American guy, preferably, to take Tyler's place. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
Floyd was the obvious example. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
He was talented, he was gritty, he was tough | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
and he's saying to Johan, I'll do whatever it takes. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
We have to make sure that we're not in a situation like Pyrenees, for example. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
Floyd will remember that very well. Floyd. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
Thanks for pointing that out, yes. I won't forget that any time soon. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
You're 27 seconds faster than... INDISTINCT | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
..and 40 seconds faster than... INDISTINCT | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
Boys, come on, keep it together. We're going to win it. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
There was a train here and it was dripping with gravy. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Here they are, a blue train. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
And these guys were desperate to mop up as much as they could | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
for themselves. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:24 | |
Because the financial rewards were huge. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
OK, OK, OK, OK! | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
This is the best team in the world right now. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
I saw what I deemed a huge fraud | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
being played out on a world stage | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
and there was no place, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
no place to turn. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:42 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
Journalists approached me | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
and some of them had got questions they'd e-mailed me across | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
and stuff were very close to what was going on. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
'All the peloton were on Armstrong's side. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
'The sponsors are on Armstrong's side. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
'The UCI were on Armstrong's side. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
'Everybody had a stake in Lance being a success. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
'And of course anybody who accused him' | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
was deemed an enemy of the sport. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
-REPORTER: -London sports writer, David Walsh | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
accuses Armstrong of doping in the book, LA Confidential. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
The book, published only in France, | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
quotes Armstrong's former massage therapist, | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
who claims she covered up injection marks with make up. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
I remember I was sweeping my sitting room floor, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
Sky Sports is on. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
In the corner of my eye I can see the ticker tape underneath it go, | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
and it says, "Former Armstrong masseuse, Emma O'Reilly..." | 0:51:31 | 0:51:37 | |
"spills the beans", blah, blah, blah. I'm thinking... | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
I have to say my first thought was, I am going to get David Walsh and wring his neck. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
I'll say one thing about the book | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
and especially since our esteemed author is here... | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
In my view, I think extraordinary accusations | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
must be followed up | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
with extraordinary proof. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
And they have not come up with extraordinary proof. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
'Why couldn't it just be proof,' | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
that allegations must be followed up by proof? | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
And what Lance was saying is that, when you're an icon... | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
..who sits as high in the firmament as I do, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
you have to have extraordinary proof to bring ME down. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
And it was true. What he was saying was right. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
Different rules apply to the gods. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
And I am a god. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:28 | |
Mr Armstrong's legal team | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
was very concerned about the book | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
and wanted to discredit David Walsh. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
They knew one of the sources was likely Betsy Andreu | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
and they wanted Betsy Andreu and Frankie Andreu | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
to distance themselves from the book and say Mr Walsh had it wrong. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
Lance told me that his two, his two agents, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
Bill Stapleton and Bart Knaggs wanted to talk with me. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
So I was like, OK. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:54 | |
You know, I knew what was coming, I knew what it was going to be about. | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
He asked me, he said, "Shall I tape the conversation?" | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
I said, "Hell, yeah, because they'll say it never happened". | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
DISTANT CAR HORNS | 0:53:04 | 0:53:05 | |
We met in the parking lot of the Tour de France start | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
after everybody had, you know, all the riders had left and so, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
I put a tape recorder in my pocket and I tape recorded everything. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
Cos I didn't trust these guys, you know. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
Still don't trust them. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
They talked about how bad it would be for the sport | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
if Lance gets in trouble and all this comes out. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
They wanted her to sign an affidavit | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
saying she would never go against Lance Armstrong for the rest of her life. Something crazy. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:47 | |
HE LAUGHS NERVOUSLY | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
You can imagine when I brought that up to Betsy, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
"So, Bets, they want you to, er, sign something | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
"saying you'll never sue or go against Lance Armstrong" and it was, | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
it was just a bunch of cuss words. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
Yeah! Because I saw what they were doing. It was ridiculous. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
OK, first of all Frankie loses his job | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
because he won't get on a doping programme and now... | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
..they are trying to get me to sign something | 0:54:25 | 0:54:30 | |
to support Lance? | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
Whom I believe is cheating? It's not going to happen. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
There's no argument who the champion is of the Tour de France. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
And when I refused... | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
It's been four times now, how do you differentiate... | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
It just was not good for Frankie's career. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
-Thank you, Lance. -Thank you. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:47 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -The yellow jersey is owned by only one man, | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
as it has been for the last eight days. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
Lance Armstrong benefited from SCA and Bob Hammond paying | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
an enormous amount of prize money for him, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
winning races that Lance Armstrong swore he won cleanly. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -..as he races the line to the victory... | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
Total amount to Lance if he won all of the Tour de France races | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
came close to almost 10 million. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
Lance, well done. Back for more next year? | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
Ha, ha. Probably. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
When somebody consistently goes against the odds, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
the evidence is that perhaps | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
the odds aren't what you think they are | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
and something else is present | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
and quite often that's cheating. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:55:29 | 0:55:30 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -He is down the ramp for the last time in his career. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
I've decided that the Tour de France will be my last race | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
as a professional cyclist. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:38 | |
It is the picture we will never see again. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
A rider in yellow we've come to know since 1999. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
You won't believe what the crowd are doing here. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
They are leaping in every direction | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
as Lance Armstrong brings it to an end as a winner. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
History in the making, he now retires | 0:55:54 | 0:55:56 | |
seven times a winner of the Tour De France. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
-ANNOUNCER: -Lance Armstrong! | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
The last thing I'll say for the people | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
that don't believe in cycling, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:04 | |
the cynics and the sceptics, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
I'm sorry for you, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:08 | |
I'm sorry you can't dream big, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
and I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles, | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
but this is one hell of a race. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:13 | |
This is a great sporting event and you should believe. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
And, er... | 0:56:16 | 0:56:17 | |
Vive La Tour. For ever. Thank you. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
AMERICAN NATIONAL ANTHEM | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
-BEEP -Good morning, this begins video tape number one, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:33 | |
in the arbitration matter of Lance Armstrong et al | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
versus SCA Promotions Incorporated et al. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
Bob Hamman kind of basically felt that he'd been duped, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
he'd already paid Lance, I think four and a half million at that time, | 0:56:43 | 0:56:47 | |
he baulked at paying the last 5 million bonus. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
Mr Armstrong, my name is Jeff Tillotson, I represent... | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
'It became a law suit and over the course of about a year and a half, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
'we took depositions, which is sworn testimony, | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
'we ploughed through records.' | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
TELEPHONE RINGS FAINTLY | 0:57:02 | 0:57:03 | |
The day before the SCA deposition, I received a phone call from him. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
Lance, "just calling to see how you're doing". | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
I hadn't talked to the guy in like, four years, you know | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
and saying, "Ah, you know I heard this is, | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
"Kathy LeMond said this, that Betsy said this". | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
He was prying for information and questions | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
and trying to say, "Hey, I'm here". | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
I'm right at your door. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:25 | |
And then he showed up at the door STEP. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
So when I showed up, | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
I saw Lance walking in the hallway | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
and I thought, "Oh, my gosh". | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
She was so nervous, she was literally shaking, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
because there she was, to give a deposition | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
and Lance Armstrong had flown from Austin, | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
on his private jet to watch her testify about him | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
and she knew exactly what kind of message he was trying to send. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
There was a long table in the conference room | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
and it was me and my lawyer | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
and Lance. | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
-I was furious. -Why? | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
'So I saw what Lance was doing, how he was on his BlackBerry, | 0:58:03 | 0:58:07 | |
'how he was on his computer.' | 0:58:07 | 0:58:09 | |
Because... | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
It WASN'T a lie. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
I'm not going to say somebody is lying when they are not lying. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
She was the first witness who effectively said, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
"I don't care what happens to me. I'm going to tell the truth". | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
First, tell me where you were. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:25 | |
Michel's. It's a restaurant in Villefranche. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
I had never been in a deposition before, | 0:58:27 | 0:58:30 | |
so when I didn't remember something, | 0:58:30 | 0:58:32 | |
a restaurant, I had leaned over and I asked Lance. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
-It is Villefranche, isn't it, Lance? -Objection. -Well... | 0:58:35 | 0:58:38 | |
'You can't do that, hold it, hold it, you can't do that.' | 0:58:38 | 0:58:41 | |
So it was, I was just answering questions honestly. | 0:58:41 | 0:58:44 | |
I just would like you to recount what took place | 0:58:44 | 0:58:47 | |
in the Indiana University Hospital... | 0:58:47 | 0:58:49 | |
The doctor asked him a couple of questions | 0:58:51 | 0:58:53 | |
and then came the question, have you ever... | 0:58:53 | 0:58:56 | |
..taken any performance-enhancing drugs? | 0:58:58 | 0:59:01 | |
And Lance said, yes. The doctor said, "What were they?" And he said, | 0:59:01 | 0:59:05 | |
"EPO, growth hormone, cortisone, steroids and testosterone". | 0:59:05 | 0:59:10 | |
Did any medical person ask you | 0:59:10 | 0:59:13 | |
while you were at the Indiana University Hospital | 0:59:13 | 0:59:15 | |
whether you had ever used | 0:59:15 | 0:59:16 | |
-any sort of performance-enhancing drugs or substances? -No. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:20 | |
Can you offer, can you help explain to me | 0:59:20 | 0:59:23 | |
why Miss Andreu would make that story up? | 0:59:23 | 0:59:26 | |
Well, she said in her deposition she hates me. | 0:59:26 | 0:59:28 | |
I don't know how the doctor phrased the question, but Lance's response was that he had taken EPO | 0:59:28 | 0:59:33 | |
and testosterone... | 0:59:33 | 0:59:34 | |
..and growth hormone | 0:59:36 | 0:59:38 | |
and cortisone. | 0:59:38 | 0:59:40 | |
Why would Mr Andreu say the same things, if you know? | 0:59:41 | 0:59:44 | |
Probably to support his wife, which... | 0:59:45 | 0:59:47 | |
-I don't know if you're married or not, but... -I am. | 0:59:47 | 0:59:50 | |
..sometimes is...required. | 0:59:50 | 0:59:53 | |
So your testimony that Mr Andreu was also lying when he said | 0:59:53 | 0:59:58 | |
-that he heard you say those things regarding your prior use? -100%. | 0:59:58 | 1:00:01 | |
-But I feel for him. -What do you mean by that? | 1:00:07 | 1:00:10 | |
I think he's trying to back up his old lady. | 1:00:10 | 1:00:13 | |
-JEFF TILLOTSON: -'Frankie Andreu was under | 1:00:15 | 1:00:17 | |
'extremely difficult circumstances at that particular point in time, | 1:00:17 | 1:00:20 | |
'all of which was a result of Lance Armstrong.' | 1:00:20 | 1:00:23 | |
Did Mr Armstrong ever tell you during that time period | 1:00:23 | 1:00:26 | |
that he definitely was not going to use EPO | 1:00:26 | 1:00:29 | |
and no-one else should use EPO? | 1:00:29 | 1:00:31 | |
No. | 1:00:31 | 1:00:32 | |
Did he indicate to you that he was going to use EPO | 1:00:32 | 1:00:35 | |
-or consider using EPO? -No. | 1:00:35 | 1:00:37 | |
SHE WHISPERS TO HERSELF | 1:00:42 | 1:00:44 | |
'He said openly and to the public that Betsy was crazy.' | 1:00:44 | 1:00:48 | |
They implied behind the scenes that Betsy wasn't believable | 1:00:48 | 1:00:52 | |
and perhaps unstable. Everything you can possibly think of | 1:00:52 | 1:00:55 | |
'as a way to hurt someone, they basically employed.' | 1:00:55 | 1:00:58 | |
And what is it you told Frankie after leaving the room? | 1:00:58 | 1:01:01 | |
I... | 1:01:04 | 1:01:05 | |
BETSY: His modus operandi, which was, "Don't attack the message. | 1:01:17 | 1:01:22 | |
"Attack the messenger." | 1:01:22 | 1:01:24 | |
So, if people don't know me, people are going to say, | 1:01:24 | 1:01:26 | |
"Well, wait a minute, who is this woman? | 1:01:26 | 1:01:29 | |
"Her husband stopped racing early. If he was so good, why did he do that? | 1:01:29 | 1:01:34 | |
"If Lance is dirty, then why hasn't the governing body caught him? | 1:01:34 | 1:01:39 | |
"Why does USA Cycling back him? Why do his sponsors back him? | 1:01:39 | 1:01:43 | |
"Why does he keep getting more and more money from him? | 1:01:43 | 1:01:47 | |
"How come none of these doctors, who allegedly heard | 1:01:47 | 1:01:50 | |
"what happened in the hospital room, how come they're remaining quiet? | 1:01:50 | 1:01:54 | |
"How come nobody has backed her up for that hospital room? | 1:01:54 | 1:01:58 | |
"Look at his legions of fans. | 1:01:58 | 1:02:00 | |
"He has a foundation fighting cancer. | 1:02:00 | 1:02:03 | |
"What is this woman doing beside raising her own kids? | 1:02:03 | 1:02:07 | |
"His problem was never with Frankie." | 1:02:07 | 1:02:09 | |
And after Mr Armstrong told the doctor | 1:02:09 | 1:02:11 | |
he was using certain performance enhancing drugs, did your husband | 1:02:11 | 1:02:15 | |
ever tell you, "That's wrong, he hasn't done those drugs?" | 1:02:15 | 1:02:19 | |
Not your husband, but Mr Armstrong? | 1:02:19 | 1:02:22 | |
No. | 1:02:22 | 1:02:23 | |
LANCE: How could it have taken place | 1:02:30 | 1:02:32 | |
when I've never taken performance-enhancing drugs? | 1:02:32 | 1:02:34 | |
-How could that have happened? -That's my point. It's not just simply | 1:02:34 | 1:02:37 | |
-you don't recall? -How many times do I have to say it? | 1:02:37 | 1:02:40 | |
I'm just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. | 1:02:40 | 1:02:42 | |
Well, if it can't be any clearer than, "I've never taken drugs," | 1:02:42 | 1:02:46 | |
then incidents like that could never have happened. | 1:02:46 | 1:02:48 | |
-OK. -How clear is that? | 1:02:48 | 1:02:50 | |
These are things that are so devious, if untrue, but so powerful | 1:02:52 | 1:02:56 | |
when you use with people that makes you a compelling liar. | 1:02:56 | 1:03:00 | |
I'll give you an example. Bad liar - Richard Nixon. | 1:03:00 | 1:03:03 | |
Sweaty, looks suspicious, said goofy things | 1:03:03 | 1:03:06 | |
when people challenged him, "I'm not a crook". | 1:03:06 | 1:03:08 | |
Great liar - Lance Armstrong. | 1:03:08 | 1:03:10 | |
"I never doped. I passed every test. And anyone who challenges me, | 1:03:10 | 1:03:14 | |
"I'm currently suing and are proving they're lying." | 1:03:14 | 1:03:17 | |
'That's a good liar.' | 1:03:17 | 1:03:18 | |
Greg, who... | 1:03:18 | 1:03:21 | |
I know has serious drinking and drug problems, | 1:03:21 | 1:03:24 | |
was clearly intoxicated, yelling, screaming. | 1:03:24 | 1:03:28 | |
It started off as, you know, "Hey, Greg, I thought we were friends." | 1:03:28 | 1:03:31 | |
"Friends?! What do you mean friends?!" | 1:03:31 | 1:03:34 | |
He said, "Well, if you want to throw stones...I can throw stones..." | 1:03:34 | 1:03:38 | |
'He went after his reputation, his livelihood | 1:03:38 | 1:03:42 | |
-'and his way of life.' -Well...let me see... | 1:03:42 | 1:03:46 | |
being called potentially the biggest fraud in the history of the sport... | 1:03:46 | 1:03:50 | |
That was a little bit upsetting. | 1:03:50 | 1:03:52 | |
'He's set out to destroy me every step of the way.' | 1:03:52 | 1:03:55 | |
I lost, er, a company that did 20 million in sales in the US. | 1:03:55 | 1:03:59 | |
Oh, he, you know, he said, | 1:03:59 | 1:04:00 | |
"The sport is full of crooks and thieves and liars". | 1:04:00 | 1:04:03 | |
I've been at trade shows, where dealers that said... | 1:04:03 | 1:04:06 | |
I would see and that I knew and they wouldn't even... | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
They wouldn't even look at me. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:11 | |
He didn't like that either. | 1:04:11 | 1:04:12 | |
'How could this be? How could it be that my career' | 1:04:12 | 1:04:16 | |
collide with this guy and then he takes everything away from me? | 1:04:16 | 1:04:19 | |
We also wanted to believe... | 1:04:19 | 1:04:22 | |
-VOICE CRACKS: -..in Lance. | 1:04:22 | 1:04:24 | |
And it was hard to find out that it wasn't... | 1:04:27 | 1:04:30 | |
I don't know why I'm crying, but it was really hard to find out that... | 1:04:31 | 1:04:37 | |
this was going on. | 1:04:37 | 1:04:39 | |
It's been awful stressful. | 1:04:39 | 1:04:41 | |
If I'd known for a second, I wouldn't have done it. | 1:04:41 | 1:04:46 | |
'They were very, very mean and very dismissive of Emma O'Reilly | 1:04:46 | 1:04:50 | |
'as they were really almost of all the women | 1:04:50 | 1:04:53 | |
'that testified against Mr Armstrong.' | 1:04:53 | 1:04:55 | |
Afraid that we were going to out her as a... | 1:04:55 | 1:04:59 | |
All these things she said. As a whore or whatever. I don't know. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:02 | |
-Primarily... -'You don't talk about people like that!' | 1:05:02 | 1:05:05 | |
And also to... By calling me those names, | 1:05:05 | 1:05:08 | |
calling me basically an alcoholic prostitute, | 1:05:08 | 1:05:10 | |
'it's just attacking me personally, | 1:05:10 | 1:05:12 | |
'but it's not addressing the points that I brought up.' | 1:05:12 | 1:05:16 | |
You know, and that's probably what upset me the most over it all. | 1:05:16 | 1:05:19 | |
Raise your right hand. Do you solemnly state your testimony | 1:05:19 | 1:05:22 | |
-shall be the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth? -I do. | 1:05:22 | 1:05:25 | |
'We had been told that Stephanie McIlvain' | 1:05:25 | 1:05:29 | |
would testify that, yes, she heard Mr Armstrong admit to drug use, | 1:05:29 | 1:05:33 | |
so we went out to depose her in California | 1:05:33 | 1:05:35 | |
at her place of business, which was Oakley. | 1:05:35 | 1:05:38 | |
-What kind of things do you do? -I take care of, er... | 1:05:38 | 1:05:42 | |
Well, I take care of Lance Armstrong and cycling also. | 1:05:42 | 1:05:45 | |
She called us up and she was in tears. | 1:05:45 | 1:05:48 | |
"Lance called me! Lance is pissed!" | 1:05:48 | 1:05:51 | |
And I thought, "Oh, my God! | 1:05:51 | 1:05:54 | |
I said, "You're going to lie, Stephanie. | 1:05:54 | 1:05:56 | |
"You're going to lie to keep your job." | 1:05:56 | 1:05:58 | |
Stephanie needed that job. | 1:05:58 | 1:06:00 | |
Her husband worked for Oakley. HE needed the job. | 1:06:00 | 1:06:03 | |
She's got a young son who's autistic. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:06 | |
They were in an extremely difficult position. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:09 | |
Where you ever in a hospital room, | 1:06:09 | 1:06:11 | |
or other part of the hospital with Mr Armstrong, | 1:06:11 | 1:06:13 | |
-where he said anything about performance-enhancing drugs? -No. | 1:06:13 | 1:06:17 | |
Er, do you have any recollection of any doctor in your presence | 1:06:17 | 1:06:22 | |
asking Mr Armstrong, er, if he used in the past | 1:06:22 | 1:06:27 | |
-any performance-enhancing drugs or substances? -No. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:31 | |
Betty was going to be thrown under the bus and I finally told her. | 1:06:31 | 1:06:35 | |
I said, "Betsy... I recorded her and I have a tape." | 1:06:35 | 1:06:40 | |
TELEPHONE RINGS | 1:06:40 | 1:06:42 | |
-Greg LeMond! -SHE LAUGHS | 1:06:53 | 1:06:56 | |
I'm doing well. | 1:06:56 | 1:06:58 | |
I agree. | 1:07:41 | 1:07:43 | |
This recording was done well before her deposition, | 1:07:45 | 1:07:48 | |
so all we could conclude from that was someone got to her. | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
Because she clearly changed her testimony. | 1:07:51 | 1:07:53 | |
Once I made that recording public to the Lance Armstrong side, | 1:07:53 | 1:07:57 | |
saying, "I think you've monkeyed with this witness," | 1:07:57 | 1:08:00 | |
literally all hell broke loose. | 1:08:00 | 1:08:02 | |
-BETSY: -I said, "You lied, didn't you?" I just had this bad feeling. | 1:08:02 | 1:08:06 | |
"You lied, didn't you, Stephanie?" | 1:08:06 | 1:08:08 | |
"Pat was told, if I make the company look bad, | 1:08:08 | 1:08:10 | |
"that we'll both lose our jobs. We can't afford to lose our jobs, Betsy. | 1:08:10 | 1:08:13 | |
"We don't have college degrees. | 1:08:13 | 1:08:15 | |
"Where are we going to go? What are we going to do?" | 1:08:15 | 1:08:18 | |
She made her bed. She made her decision. | 1:08:19 | 1:08:22 | |
CHILDREN LAUGH AND CHATTER | 1:08:22 | 1:08:25 | |
TELEPHONE RINGS TO CHILDREN: That's a foul! Wow! | 1:08:27 | 1:08:29 | |
So, our relationship was over. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:11 | |
If you have a doping offence, or you test positive, | 1:09:13 | 1:09:16 | |
it goes without saying that you're fired, from all of your contracts, | 1:09:16 | 1:09:20 | |
not just the team, but there's... | 1:09:20 | 1:09:22 | |
numerous contracts that I have that would all go away. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:27 | |
-Sponsorship agreements, for example? -All of them! -Er, er... -And... | 1:09:27 | 1:09:32 | |
The faith...of all the cancer survivors around the world, | 1:09:32 | 1:09:35 | |
so everything I do off of the bike would go away, too. | 1:09:35 | 1:09:38 | |
And don't think for a second I don't understand that. | 1:09:40 | 1:09:43 | |
Either everyone who I had talked to, | 1:09:43 | 1:09:46 | |
and all the evidence I had gathered, and all the scientists | 1:09:46 | 1:09:48 | |
and other people were liars, which I found frankly impossible, | 1:09:48 | 1:09:53 | |
or Lance approached basically a clinical sociopath. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:56 | |
Someone able to do wrong without remorse, | 1:09:56 | 1:09:59 | |
er, or care as to who they hurt in the process. | 1:09:59 | 1:10:02 | |
Er, the former was unpalatable. The latter, er, was scary. | 1:10:02 | 1:10:06 | |
That we were litigating with someone who would do anything to prevail. | 1:10:06 | 1:10:10 | |
It's not about money for me. | 1:10:10 | 1:10:11 | |
Everything. It's also about the faith that people have put in me | 1:10:13 | 1:10:16 | |
over the years, so all of that would be erased, so I don't need it | 1:10:16 | 1:10:20 | |
to say in a contract, "You're fired if you test positive." | 1:10:20 | 1:10:23 | |
That's not as important | 1:10:23 | 1:10:25 | |
as losing the support of hundreds of millions of people. | 1:10:25 | 1:10:29 | |
HE LAUGHS: That's an easy question. | 1:10:30 | 1:10:33 | |
'The SCA case was settled on really what it said in the contract.' | 1:10:33 | 1:10:38 | |
'Lance has always followed the rules of the Tour de France' | 1:10:38 | 1:10:40 | |
and he's won seven times. | 1:10:40 | 1:10:42 | |
Every time he wins, and he's a certified winner, | 1:10:42 | 1:10:44 | |
he's followed the rules | 1:10:44 | 1:10:46 | |
and Tailwind has had an obligation to pay him. | 1:10:46 | 1:10:49 | |
'After all, he was still officially the Tour de France winner. | 1:10:49 | 1:10:53 | |
'That was really the question and, if SCA went forward with that case, | 1:10:53 | 1:10:58 | |
'it would have been a big risk.' | 1:10:58 | 1:10:59 | |
So they ended up paying Armstrong 7 million | 1:10:59 | 1:11:03 | |
to settle it. | 1:11:03 | 1:11:04 | |
CAR HORNS HONK | 1:11:04 | 1:11:07 | |
'We just paid. | 1:11:07 | 1:11:09 | |
'Lance slipped past the gates' | 1:11:09 | 1:11:11 | |
and...said, | 1:11:11 | 1:11:14 | |
"Time to fold your tent, boys." | 1:11:14 | 1:11:16 | |
Floyd Landis used to ride alongside | 1:11:18 | 1:11:20 | |
Lance Armstrong on the US Postal Service for three years. | 1:11:20 | 1:11:23 | |
They've split up in a little bit of, er, disenchantment. | 1:11:23 | 1:11:28 | |
Well, Floyd Landis has launched an attack. | 1:11:28 | 1:11:31 | |
He's trying to ride all of these men off. Surely with eight minutes... | 1:11:31 | 1:11:35 | |
ANNOUNCEMENT IN FRENCH, DROWNS OUT THE COMMENTARY | 1:11:35 | 1:11:38 | |
..he is one of the great riders of this race once again. | 1:11:38 | 1:11:41 | |
This is one of the most incredible performances I've seen. It's fine... | 1:11:41 | 1:11:46 | |
JOURNALIST: Is it nice to come out of the shadows of Armstrong | 1:11:46 | 1:11:49 | |
in such a golden style? | 1:11:49 | 1:11:51 | |
Yeah! Again, I've said many times | 1:11:51 | 1:11:53 | |
I was one of the lucky ones to be part of his seven wins. | 1:11:53 | 1:11:56 | |
ANNOUNCEMENT IN FRENCH | 1:11:56 | 1:11:59 | |
APPLAUSE | 1:11:59 | 1:12:01 | |
Yet another doping scandal hits the very top of the Tour de France. | 1:12:01 | 1:12:05 | |
-Floyd, right here! -'Yes, the winner | 1:12:05 | 1:12:07 | |
'of this year's prestigious cycling race, Floyd Landis,' | 1:12:07 | 1:12:10 | |
has tested positive for testosterone. | 1:12:10 | 1:12:12 | |
'It's the first time in the Tour de France's history that a winner...' | 1:12:12 | 1:12:15 | |
When I look back now, nobody on that team was ever positive. | 1:12:15 | 1:12:19 | |
No positives. The moment they left, every rider that was a competitor, | 1:12:19 | 1:12:24 | |
that Armstrong didn't like, boom, they're positive. | 1:12:24 | 1:12:27 | |
PHOTOGRAPHERS SHOUT | 1:12:27 | 1:12:30 | |
-MAN: -Remember, it's not a race... | 1:12:30 | 1:12:32 | |
LANCE: 'It's been an amazing year. | 1:12:32 | 1:12:34 | |
'I stood up here last year and everybody at their table | 1:12:34 | 1:12:37 | |
'had little pieces of yellow silicon sitting there.' | 1:12:37 | 1:12:40 | |
And somewhere along the way, 50 million of them were sold. | 1:12:40 | 1:12:43 | |
Um... APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 1:12:43 | 1:12:46 | |
Woo! | 1:12:46 | 1:12:48 | |
What showed up in your sample? | 1:12:48 | 1:12:49 | |
-Nothing. -HE LAUGHS NERVOUSLY | 1:12:49 | 1:12:52 | |
-Were you doping at the Tour de France? -No. | 1:12:52 | 1:12:56 | |
I told Frankie, "I can't believe nobody's ever asked you | 1:12:56 | 1:13:00 | |
"whether or not you've ever done anything or tried anything. | 1:13:00 | 1:13:04 | |
"But if somebody does, I'm not going to be one of the wives | 1:13:04 | 1:13:07 | |
"who stand by you as you lie. I'm not going to do it." | 1:13:07 | 1:13:10 | |
I raced for 12 years as a professional. | 1:13:10 | 1:13:12 | |
I used EPO at a... at a certain moment. | 1:13:12 | 1:13:15 | |
There are many people out there that worry - whether they have cancer | 1:13:15 | 1:13:18 | |
in their families or not - that cancer is going to get them. | 1:13:18 | 1:13:21 | |
It's the scariest disease there is. | 1:13:21 | 1:13:23 | |
-And we think we're making a difference. -I agree. | 1:13:23 | 1:13:26 | |
One of my biggest accomplishments was raising my son Lance. | 1:13:26 | 1:13:30 | |
I am so proud to be the mom of Lance Armstrong. | 1:13:30 | 1:13:34 | |
We will lose more than 560,000 Americans to cancer this year. | 1:13:36 | 1:13:40 | |
Landis was stripped of his title and banned from the sport for two years. | 1:13:40 | 1:13:45 | |
It's time for a government that wages a war against cancer | 1:13:45 | 1:13:48 | |
as aggressive as the war cancer wages against us. | 1:13:48 | 1:13:51 | |
We will beat this dreaded disease, and we will win. | 1:13:51 | 1:13:55 | |
CHEERING | 1:13:55 | 1:13:57 | |
-FLOYD LANDIS: -The longer it went on, the more impressed I am that Lance | 1:13:57 | 1:14:01 | |
could maintain a story like that that was nearly 100% fabricated. | 1:14:01 | 1:14:05 | |
-HE LAUGHS: -And still live such an obnoxious life. | 1:14:05 | 1:14:10 | |
And not even try to hide it. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:12 | |
-VOICE FADES: -I mean, I'm a guy that he's never really even met... | 1:14:12 | 1:14:15 | |
Mr President, you've been a long-time friend of mine. | 1:14:22 | 1:14:27 | |
Thank you. Thank you for being a friend and for allowing us | 1:14:27 | 1:14:29 | |
to be here to talk about this critical, er, issue. | 1:14:29 | 1:14:33 | |
As some of you may or may not know, | 1:14:33 | 1:14:36 | |
I've decided to race my bicycle again. | 1:14:36 | 1:14:39 | |
Um... APPLAUSE | 1:14:39 | 1:14:41 | |
It... | 1:14:41 | 1:14:42 | |
Lance came back, because he couldn't stay away. | 1:14:44 | 1:14:47 | |
Please welcome seven-time Tour de France champion Lance Armstrong. | 1:14:47 | 1:14:50 | |
APPLAUSE AND CHEERING | 1:14:50 | 1:14:52 | |
Why couldn't he stay away? Because it's like | 1:14:52 | 1:14:56 | |
the oldest theme in Hollywood that you've ever come across. | 1:14:56 | 1:15:00 | |
The jewel thief, the bank robber, the assassin. | 1:15:00 | 1:15:06 | |
They do their jobs brilliantly. They win every time. | 1:15:06 | 1:15:10 | |
They kill all the people they should kill, | 1:15:10 | 1:15:12 | |
they get all the jewels they should get, | 1:15:12 | 1:15:14 | |
they get all the money from the bank they should get. | 1:15:14 | 1:15:16 | |
Somebody comes and says, "One more job". | 1:15:16 | 1:15:18 | |
Just one more little turn of the carousel. | 1:15:22 | 1:15:27 | |
And they can't resist. | 1:15:27 | 1:15:30 | |
Because that was them living like they'd never lived before | 1:15:30 | 1:15:35 | |
or they will never live again. | 1:15:35 | 1:15:37 | |
I cannot guarantee a victory this time, I'm not... What? | 1:15:40 | 1:15:43 | |
Please stop your whining. | 1:15:43 | 1:15:44 | |
I'd made several requests to interview Lance, | 1:15:51 | 1:15:53 | |
especially when he announced | 1:15:53 | 1:15:55 | |
that he was going to be different this time with the media, | 1:15:55 | 1:15:57 | |
that he was going to be open and transparent | 1:15:57 | 1:15:59 | |
and there wasn't going to be any of the stuff that had gone on before | 1:15:59 | 1:16:02 | |
where he had been very, very difficult. | 1:16:02 | 1:16:05 | |
And I baited him. | 1:16:05 | 1:16:07 | |
Lance, we've spoken recently about the return of Ivan Basso | 1:16:07 | 1:16:12 | |
and Floyd Landis after their suspensions. | 1:16:12 | 1:16:17 | |
What is it about these dopers that you seem to admire so much? | 1:16:17 | 1:16:21 | |
Excuse me? What is your name again? | 1:16:21 | 1:16:23 | |
My name is Paul Kimmage, I work for The Sunday Times. | 1:16:23 | 1:16:25 | |
I asked for an interview, but I didn't get one. | 1:16:25 | 1:16:28 | |
Right, and just as a little preface, I might just clear up one thing. | 1:16:28 | 1:16:31 | |
The reason you didn't get it, Paul, I wanted to make sure that was you, | 1:16:31 | 1:16:34 | |
because I don't know what you look like... | 1:16:34 | 1:16:37 | |
When I decided to come back for what I think is a very noble reason, | 1:16:37 | 1:16:43 | |
you said, "Folks, the cancer has been in remission for four years, | 1:16:43 | 1:16:48 | |
"but our cancer has now returned." | 1:16:48 | 1:16:51 | |
Meaning me. | 1:16:53 | 1:16:55 | |
I am here to fight this disease. | 1:16:55 | 1:16:57 | |
I am here so that I don't have to deal with it, | 1:16:57 | 1:16:59 | |
you don't have to deal with it, | 1:16:59 | 1:17:01 | |
none of us have to deal with it, my children don't have to deal with it. | 1:17:01 | 1:17:04 | |
-But yet you said that -I -am the cancer. | 1:17:04 | 1:17:06 | |
So, I think it goes without saying, | 1:17:06 | 1:17:08 | |
no, we're not going to sit down and do an interview. | 1:17:08 | 1:17:12 | |
And I don't think anybody in this room | 1:17:12 | 1:17:14 | |
would sit down for that interview. | 1:17:14 | 1:17:16 | |
You are not worth the chair that you're sitting on | 1:17:16 | 1:17:18 | |
with a statement like that. | 1:17:18 | 1:17:20 | |
With a disease that touches everybody around the world. | 1:17:20 | 1:17:23 | |
Getting back to the Tour Of California... | 1:17:44 | 1:17:46 | |
LAUGHTER | 1:17:46 | 1:17:48 | |
-COMMENTATOR: -Armstrong, shades of his seven victories | 1:17:52 | 1:17:54 | |
in the Tour de France, he's got happy memories of the Pyrenees | 1:17:54 | 1:17:58 | |
and they're all coming back now. | 1:17:58 | 1:18:00 | |
When Floyd has lost all his money, fighting his ban, | 1:18:00 | 1:18:04 | |
and he calls up Johan Bruyneel and says, | 1:18:04 | 1:18:07 | |
"Look, will you get me on your team? I need a place." | 1:18:07 | 1:18:10 | |
And Lance and Bruyneel, both kindred spirits | 1:18:10 | 1:18:14 | |
in terms of having no emotional intelligence, | 1:18:14 | 1:18:17 | |
decide they don't want to have anything to do with Floyd - | 1:18:17 | 1:18:20 | |
he's just a loser, he got caught. | 1:18:20 | 1:18:22 | |
They don't realise that they're...they're actually | 1:18:22 | 1:18:26 | |
handling a ticking bomb here. | 1:18:26 | 1:18:29 | |
Floyd has offered them the chance to diffuse the bomb. | 1:18:29 | 1:18:33 | |
To just take out that little pin or whatever, | 1:18:33 | 1:18:36 | |
give him a little, small job in the team, everything is OK. | 1:18:36 | 1:18:39 | |
They tell him to get lost and the bomb blows up in their faces. | 1:18:40 | 1:18:44 | |
And when he saw Armstrong, | 1:18:46 | 1:18:48 | |
who he knew from the first day he'd entered the sport was doped, | 1:18:48 | 1:18:51 | |
who had shown Floyd how to dope | 1:18:51 | 1:18:54 | |
and all he sees is this fucking shit everywhere, | 1:18:54 | 1:18:56 | |
"Hope rides again." "The Great God." | 1:18:56 | 1:18:59 | |
"The Jesus of cycling is coming back." | 1:18:59 | 1:19:02 | |
And all the spectators are getting down on bended knee | 1:19:02 | 1:19:06 | |
and he's thinking, "This is not right. This sticks in my throat. | 1:19:06 | 1:19:10 | |
"I fucking am going to sort this out." | 1:19:10 | 1:19:12 | |
'At least now I've confirmed that there's nothing else to lose. | 1:19:13 | 1:19:16 | |
'Nothing. There's nothing in it for me in cycling. | 1:19:16 | 1:19:19 | |
'There's no team for me. There's... | 1:19:19 | 1:19:20 | |
'No matter what I do, it's going to be worse and worse until I leave. | 1:19:20 | 1:19:24 | |
'Eventually, the levee breaks.' | 1:19:24 | 1:19:26 | |
-NEWSREADER: -Tonight, Landis and others once close to Lance | 1:19:30 | 1:19:34 | |
go on camera for the first time for our special report - | 1:19:34 | 1:19:37 | |
Did Lance Cheat? | 1:19:37 | 1:19:39 | |
At some point people have to tell | 1:19:39 | 1:19:40 | |
their kids that Santa Claus isn't real. | 1:19:40 | 1:19:42 | |
I hate to be the guy to do it, but... | 1:19:44 | 1:19:46 | |
..it's just not real. | 1:19:47 | 1:19:49 | |
You're saying Lance Armstrong is a liar? | 1:19:49 | 1:19:51 | |
Yes, I suppose if that's the question, yes. | 1:19:52 | 1:19:56 | |
We have somebody that's been under oath several times | 1:19:56 | 1:19:58 | |
with a completely different version. | 1:19:58 | 1:20:00 | |
You have somebody that has written a book | 1:20:00 | 1:20:02 | |
with a completely different version. | 1:20:02 | 1:20:04 | |
You have somebody that took people's money for their defence, | 1:20:04 | 1:20:07 | |
some would say a million dollars, with a completely different version. | 1:20:07 | 1:20:10 | |
He said he has nothing, he's got no proof. It's his word versus ours. | 1:20:10 | 1:20:14 | |
We like our word, we like where we stand, we like our credibility. | 1:20:14 | 1:20:17 | |
As Lance Armstrong prepares for his final weekend at the Tour de France, | 1:20:17 | 1:20:21 | |
a federal investigation into alleged doping by him | 1:20:21 | 1:20:24 | |
and his former team threatens to tarnish his golden image. | 1:20:24 | 1:20:28 | |
The investigation was sparked by allegations by former friend | 1:20:28 | 1:20:31 | |
and team-mate Floyd Landis. | 1:20:31 | 1:20:34 | |
At the end of July, I got a phone call from Jeff Novitzky | 1:20:34 | 1:20:38 | |
and one of the first questions I asked him was, | 1:20:38 | 1:20:41 | |
"What's taken you so long to call me?" | 1:20:41 | 1:20:43 | |
It was scary, because that whole, | 1:20:43 | 1:20:45 | |
"This is Jeff Novitzky, federal agent..." | 1:20:45 | 1:20:48 | |
It put the holy terror of God in you. | 1:20:48 | 1:20:50 | |
Novitzky was able to bring these guys into a room. | 1:20:50 | 1:20:54 | |
He would open up his coat and, | 1:20:54 | 1:20:56 | |
"Oh, sorry I didn't mean you to see my gun..." | 1:20:56 | 1:20:59 | |
That's what they do. And then he takes his sheriff's badge out, | 1:20:59 | 1:21:02 | |
drops it on the table, in case you forget that he's a cop, | 1:21:02 | 1:21:05 | |
and then he says to you, | 1:21:05 | 1:21:07 | |
"You know, if you lie to us, | 1:21:07 | 1:21:09 | |
"it'll be perjury. | 1:21:09 | 1:21:12 | |
"And we will know you're lying to us, | 1:21:12 | 1:21:14 | |
"because of all we know about this case. | 1:21:14 | 1:21:17 | |
"And then we will go after you and you'll end up doing prison time." | 1:21:17 | 1:21:21 | |
A subpoena means you come in. There's no question. | 1:21:24 | 1:21:27 | |
You go in and you tell the truth in front of the Grand Jury. | 1:21:27 | 1:21:31 | |
No lawyer by your side. | 1:21:31 | 1:21:32 | |
I probably told them more stuff, more detail, | 1:21:32 | 1:21:34 | |
than what I had revealed to anybody else before. | 1:21:34 | 1:21:37 | |
You know, the information kind of started trickling out of me | 1:21:37 | 1:21:40 | |
and then, after 15 minutes or so, it just poured out of me. | 1:21:40 | 1:21:44 | |
I don't think they were expecting any kind of testimony like they got. | 1:21:44 | 1:21:48 | |
Lance Armstrong didn't appreciate that. | 1:21:51 | 1:21:54 | |
A few months later, I was out at dinner with some friends | 1:21:54 | 1:21:56 | |
and...he must have had eyes on me, because he had people contact him | 1:21:56 | 1:22:02 | |
and let him know where I was, and he, you know, approached me, | 1:22:02 | 1:22:07 | |
and tried to intimidate me. | 1:22:07 | 1:22:09 | |
He said he was going to make my life a living hell - | 1:22:09 | 1:22:12 | |
both in the courtroom and out of the courtroom. | 1:22:12 | 1:22:14 | |
Lance was really pissed that Greg questioned why | 1:22:18 | 1:22:21 | |
he was working with Ferrari. | 1:22:21 | 1:22:22 | |
He helped call the shots. Yes, he doped himself. | 1:22:22 | 1:22:27 | |
If he didn't win the Tour, | 1:22:27 | 1:22:28 | |
someone else that was doped would have won the Tour. | 1:22:28 | 1:22:31 | |
I really felt happy at that moment, because I thought, | 1:22:31 | 1:22:34 | |
that's it. There is no way back now | 1:22:34 | 1:22:36 | |
because Floyd had given chapter and verse | 1:22:36 | 1:22:38 | |
and I thought the tide was now irreversible. | 1:22:38 | 1:22:42 | |
Lance Armstrong handed me some testosterone patches. | 1:22:42 | 1:22:46 | |
It's just a little patch that you put on your skin. | 1:22:46 | 1:22:48 | |
They can't say that. Nobody is that conniving. | 1:22:48 | 1:22:53 | |
Nobody is that good, | 1:22:53 | 1:22:54 | |
to try and get away with something for 17, 18, 19 years, no way. | 1:22:54 | 1:22:58 | |
No. | 1:23:00 | 1:23:01 | |
If you think he was facing jail, | 1:23:01 | 1:23:05 | |
he had to have been scared to death. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:07 | |
He called every single famous, | 1:23:08 | 1:23:12 | |
political favour | 1:23:12 | 1:23:14 | |
he could possibly pull in. | 1:23:14 | 1:23:17 | |
I had just woken up, I'd switched on my phone. | 1:23:17 | 1:23:20 | |
My brother had direct messaged me on Twitter and saying, | 1:23:20 | 1:23:25 | |
"WTF, the Feds' case has been dropped." | 1:23:25 | 1:23:28 | |
When you want to give news that you don't want anybody to notice, | 1:23:34 | 1:23:38 | |
you put it out at a time when everybody is distracted | 1:23:38 | 1:23:40 | |
by somebody else. | 1:23:40 | 1:23:42 | |
This news was dropped late on a Friday afternoon | 1:23:42 | 1:23:45 | |
on Super Bowl weekend, when America goes into party mode. | 1:23:45 | 1:23:49 | |
And Lance Armstrong, for one weekend, | 1:23:51 | 1:23:54 | |
ceases to be relevant. | 1:23:54 | 1:23:56 | |
Obama was running for re-election | 1:23:59 | 1:24:01 | |
and it wouldn't have looked good to go after the American hero | 1:24:01 | 1:24:05 | |
who still had a lot of supporters. | 1:24:05 | 1:24:09 | |
More Americans entered the workforce... | 1:24:09 | 1:24:11 | |
It goes to show you the power that Armstrong has. | 1:24:11 | 1:24:14 | |
He got a federal investigation shut down, | 1:24:14 | 1:24:17 | |
despite having all that information out there | 1:24:17 | 1:24:19 | |
and all that evidence out there. | 1:24:19 | 1:24:21 | |
'I was not proud to be an American at the time.' | 1:24:24 | 1:24:28 | |
I was so disappointed in the whole system, you know. | 1:24:28 | 1:24:31 | |
That, you know, this corruption can happen and, you know, | 1:24:31 | 1:24:35 | |
favours can be granted. | 1:24:35 | 1:24:37 | |
Travis Tygart picks up the baton. | 1:24:45 | 1:24:47 | |
He says, "I'm going to ask all these cyclists | 1:24:47 | 1:24:50 | |
"to come and be interviewed by me." | 1:24:50 | 1:24:52 | |
This was not just Lance Armstrong | 1:24:52 | 1:24:54 | |
getting away with doping for a few years. | 1:24:54 | 1:24:57 | |
This was something by far bigger and greater than just that - | 1:24:57 | 1:25:01 | |
they took it to an entirely different level | 1:25:01 | 1:25:04 | |
and no other team, right, won seven Tour de Frances. | 1:25:04 | 1:25:08 | |
And all the glory and all the profits | 1:25:08 | 1:25:10 | |
and all the sponsorships that went along with that. | 1:25:10 | 1:25:13 | |
He was the boss. The evidence is clear. | 1:25:13 | 1:25:16 | |
He was one of the ring leaders of this conspiracy | 1:25:16 | 1:25:21 | |
that pulled off this grand heist, | 1:25:21 | 1:25:22 | |
using tens of millions of taxpayer dollars, | 1:25:22 | 1:25:26 | |
that defrauded millions of sports fans and his fellow competitors. | 1:25:26 | 1:25:29 | |
Lance immediately went on the attack, immediately sued them in his | 1:25:32 | 1:25:35 | |
home court and immediately started saying, | 1:25:35 | 1:25:37 | |
"You saw it as a terrible, bad, kangaroo court organisation. | 1:25:37 | 1:25:39 | |
I thought, "Here we go again. | 1:25:39 | 1:25:41 | |
"He's going to bloody them up. He's going to walk away from this." | 1:25:41 | 1:25:45 | |
Good morning, everybody, welcome to the Team RadioShack bus... | 1:25:45 | 1:25:49 | |
'Almost at every turn, | 1:25:49 | 1:25:50 | |
'the lobbyists for Armstrong and his criminal defence attorney | 1:25:50 | 1:25:53 | |
and others wanted to bankrupt us and take us down. | 1:25:53 | 1:25:56 | |
-The boss. -How are you? Good morning. | 1:25:56 | 1:25:59 | |
'Whether it was claiming to the world media we had not authority or' | 1:25:59 | 1:26:03 | |
we were on witch hunts or the jurisdiction didn't rest with us, | 1:26:03 | 1:26:08 | |
there were numerous efforts by them | 1:26:08 | 1:26:10 | |
to ensure this information never got out. | 1:26:10 | 1:26:13 | |
Your investigations showed that there were personal threats | 1:26:13 | 1:26:16 | |
made against riders who had decided to come clean. | 1:26:16 | 1:26:20 | |
-I wonder if there were any threats against you? -There were, Scott. | 1:26:20 | 1:26:23 | |
-These threats came from where? -E-mails, letters. -Anonymous? -Yeah. | 1:26:23 | 1:26:30 | |
Can you remember any of the lines from the e-mails or the letters? | 1:26:30 | 1:26:34 | |
The worst was probably putting a bullet in my head. | 1:26:38 | 1:26:42 | |
-Did you take that seriously? -Absolutely. | 1:26:42 | 1:26:44 | |
Turned it over to the FBI to investigate it. Which they're doing. | 1:26:46 | 1:26:50 | |
-NEWSREADER: -A new report from the US Anti-Doping Agency reveals... | 1:26:54 | 1:26:58 | |
Just months after federal prosecutors | 1:26:58 | 1:27:00 | |
dropped their investigation, the US Anti-Doping Agency says | 1:27:00 | 1:27:03 | |
they now have proof that the seven-time winner | 1:27:03 | 1:27:06 | |
of the Tour de France... | 1:27:06 | 1:27:07 | |
From our end, it was never personal. | 1:27:07 | 1:27:09 | |
In fact, you know, we gave him the same opportunity | 1:27:09 | 1:27:11 | |
to come in and be part of the solution. | 1:27:11 | 1:27:13 | |
-NEWSREADER: -1,000 pages of evidence | 1:27:13 | 1:27:15 | |
provided by the agency include first-hand accounts, | 1:27:15 | 1:27:18 | |
scientific documents... | 1:27:18 | 1:27:19 | |
Lance believed that he was bulletproof, that he was invincible, | 1:27:23 | 1:27:27 | |
that they could bring down the Floyds, | 1:27:27 | 1:27:30 | |
the Tylers, they could bring down anybody. | 1:27:30 | 1:27:32 | |
"But you can't bring down me, | 1:27:32 | 1:27:34 | |
"because I am too big to be brought down." | 1:27:34 | 1:27:37 | |
I thought in light of recent events, I ought to reintroduce myself. | 1:27:38 | 1:27:41 | |
My name is Lance Armstrong. I'm a cancer survivor. | 1:27:41 | 1:27:44 | |
I've been asked to come up here and talk about my story of survivorship. | 1:27:44 | 1:27:48 | |
I'm a father of five and, yes, I won the Tour de France seven times. | 1:27:48 | 1:27:53 | |
UCI will ban Lance Armstrong from cycling | 1:27:58 | 1:28:01 | |
and UCI will strip him of his seven Tour de France titles. | 1:28:01 | 1:28:05 | |
Lance Armstrong has no place in cycling. | 1:28:06 | 1:28:09 | |
I don't have anything to worry about. | 1:28:12 | 1:28:14 | |
Nobody needs to cry for me. I'm going to be great. | 1:28:14 | 1:28:17 | |
Are you doing something to take your mind off the news this week? | 1:28:17 | 1:28:21 | |
I'm more at ease now than I have been in ten years. | 1:28:21 | 1:28:23 | |
What surprised me was how quickly it fell apart. | 1:28:25 | 1:28:29 | |
-NEWSREADER: -This was a day we could not have imagined. | 1:28:29 | 1:28:31 | |
Nike has fired Lance Armstrong | 1:28:31 | 1:28:33 | |
over allegations he was doping during races. | 1:28:33 | 1:28:36 | |
And it first hit me when Nike announced they were fleeing. | 1:28:36 | 1:28:41 | |
-NEWSREADER: -Over the last ten years, | 1:28:41 | 1:28:42 | |
he's made more than an estimated 100 million. | 1:28:42 | 1:28:46 | |
What am I on? I'm on my bike, busting my ass six hours a day. | 1:28:46 | 1:28:49 | |
What are YOU on? | 1:28:49 | 1:28:51 | |
And then, almost in rapid succession, everyone left him. | 1:28:51 | 1:28:55 | |
Anheuser-Busch, FRS sports drinks, Trek bicycles and Giro helmets | 1:28:55 | 1:28:59 | |
all dropped today like dominoes. | 1:28:59 | 1:29:02 | |
And suddenly, in a matter of days, it collapsed. | 1:29:02 | 1:29:04 | |
Oh, my golly, the category tonight. | 1:29:07 | 1:29:09 | |
Paul, take a guess what you think the category might be tonight. | 1:29:09 | 1:29:12 | |
Well, could it..? Something about Lance Armstrong? | 1:29:12 | 1:29:15 | |
Nice going. Nice going! | 1:29:15 | 1:29:17 | |
Honest to God, who cares about cy...? No-one. | 1:29:17 | 1:29:20 | |
We were pulling into the driveway and, | 1:29:30 | 1:29:32 | |
right when we pulled into the driveway, Betsy's phone rings | 1:29:32 | 1:29:35 | |
and Betsy turned to me and she goes, "It's Lance". | 1:29:35 | 1:29:39 | |
And our daughter in the back said, | 1:29:39 | 1:29:40 | |
"Is it really him? Is it really him?" | 1:29:40 | 1:29:43 | |
He apologised. Apologised for everything he'd done. | 1:29:43 | 1:29:46 | |
And I said, "You know, it must be... It's got to be a tough phone call | 1:29:46 | 1:29:49 | |
"for you to make..." I said, "You know, | 1:29:49 | 1:29:52 | |
"I appreciate it," and I said, | 1:29:52 | 1:29:54 | |
"I'm sure you're going through hell for the last month and a half." | 1:29:54 | 1:29:57 | |
I said, "But no..." | 1:29:57 | 1:29:59 | |
That I'd been going through hell for ten years with this shit. | 1:29:59 | 1:30:02 | |
The Lance in that phone call was a Lance I've never, ever... | 1:30:02 | 1:30:07 | |
It was a Lance I didn't know. | 1:30:11 | 1:30:13 | |
He really, genuinely seemed contrite. | 1:30:13 | 1:30:15 | |
Um... | 1:30:15 | 1:30:17 | |
And he apologised. | 1:30:22 | 1:30:23 | |
He said he had done a lot of bad things to a lot of good people. | 1:30:25 | 1:30:29 | |
I said, "Lance, you better admit that that hospital room happened." | 1:30:31 | 1:30:35 | |
Now the worldwide exclusive Oprah and Lance Armstrong. | 1:30:37 | 1:30:43 | |
So let's start with the questions that people around the world | 1:30:44 | 1:30:47 | |
have been waiting for you to answer | 1:30:47 | 1:30:49 | |
and for now I'd just like a yes or no. | 1:30:49 | 1:30:52 | |
Did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? | 1:30:52 | 1:30:56 | |
Yes. | 1:30:56 | 1:30:57 | |
-Yes or no, was one of those banned substances EPO? -Yes. | 1:30:58 | 1:31:03 | |
I was physically sick. | 1:31:03 | 1:31:05 | |
Did you ever blood dope | 1:31:05 | 1:31:07 | |
-or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance? -Yes. | 1:31:07 | 1:31:10 | |
'It was sort of like an old Mike Tyson fight,' | 1:31:10 | 1:31:13 | |
that by the time you sat down in your ringside seat, | 1:31:13 | 1:31:15 | |
he'd already knocked the guy out and it was over. | 1:31:15 | 1:31:17 | |
Did you ever use any other banned substances like testosterone, | 1:31:17 | 1:31:21 | |
cortisone or human growth hormone? | 1:31:21 | 1:31:24 | |
Yes. | 1:31:24 | 1:31:25 | |
'I was, like, holy shit. Wow.' | 1:31:25 | 1:31:29 | |
"Wow!" | 1:31:29 | 1:31:31 | |
Yeah, am I jealous and bitter and vindictive now? | 1:31:33 | 1:31:35 | |
In all seven of your Tour de France victories, | 1:31:37 | 1:31:41 | |
-did you ever take banned substances or blood dope? -Yes. | 1:31:41 | 1:31:45 | |
Those five yeses in one fell swoop, | 1:31:45 | 1:31:49 | |
just wiped out a generation of cyclists. | 1:31:49 | 1:31:53 | |
Watching the show, for me, was like... | 1:31:53 | 1:31:56 | |
I never thought those words would come out of Lance Armstrong's mouth. | 1:31:56 | 1:32:00 | |
It was unbelievable. | 1:32:00 | 1:32:01 | |
Was Betsy telling the truth about the Indiana hospital | 1:32:02 | 1:32:07 | |
-overhearing you in 1996? -Erm... | 1:32:07 | 1:32:11 | |
I'm not going to take that on. I'm laying down on that one. | 1:32:11 | 1:32:14 | |
Was Betsy lying? | 1:32:14 | 1:32:16 | |
Erm... | 1:32:16 | 1:32:18 | |
And he dropped the ball. | 1:32:21 | 1:32:22 | |
He dropped the ball. | 1:32:24 | 1:32:26 | |
-She asked me and I asked her not to talk about... -What you said? | 1:32:26 | 1:32:29 | |
..the details of the call. It was a confidential, personal conversation. | 1:32:29 | 1:32:33 | |
It was 40 minutes long. | 1:32:33 | 1:32:36 | |
So again, it was classic Lance. | 1:32:36 | 1:32:38 | |
His way out, throughout that whole interview, he...he just used me. | 1:32:38 | 1:32:42 | |
He called to apologise so that when he went on Oprah he could say, | 1:32:42 | 1:32:45 | |
"Oh, yeah, I've reached out to people to apologise. | 1:32:45 | 1:32:47 | |
"I'm a changed man. I'm trying to be better." | 1:32:47 | 1:32:50 | |
It played into his hand. It played into his game. | 1:32:50 | 1:32:52 | |
My stepfather called me and said, | 1:32:52 | 1:32:55 | |
"Your mom's having a really hard time." | 1:32:55 | 1:32:57 | |
And I saw my mom... | 1:32:57 | 1:32:58 | |
..and I thought, "Oh... | 1:33:01 | 1:33:03 | |
"..this woman's a wreck." | 1:33:05 | 1:33:06 | |
What has been the financial cost? Have you lost everything? | 1:33:10 | 1:33:13 | |
I don't like thinking about it. | 1:33:15 | 1:33:17 | |
But that was a... | 1:33:18 | 1:33:20 | |
I don't know, that was a 75 million day. | 1:33:20 | 1:33:25 | |
-Gone. -Gone. -Gone. | 1:33:28 | 1:33:31 | |
Do you think he will ever come clean? | 1:33:33 | 1:33:36 | |
No, I don't think fully. | 1:33:36 | 1:33:38 | |
Partly because it would burn too many people. | 1:33:38 | 1:33:40 | |
He's protected Bruyneel, he's protected Ferrari, | 1:33:42 | 1:33:44 | |
he's protected Thom Weisel, he's protected Bill Stapleton | 1:33:44 | 1:33:47 | |
and he's protected, I believe, the medical people at that hospital. | 1:33:47 | 1:33:51 | |
'It's really not about him, but about the people behind him. | 1:33:53 | 1:33:56 | |
'They put this team together that had knowledge of the doping, | 1:33:56 | 1:33:58 | |
'that went out and then sold sponsorships | 1:33:58 | 1:34:01 | |
'to the tune of about 30+ million federal dollars from citizens | 1:34:01 | 1:34:05 | |
'of the United States of America. It's alleged fraud.' | 1:34:05 | 1:34:08 | |
I don't know Lance Armstrong now. | 1:34:12 | 1:34:14 | |
The man I knew in 1993, I had a blast with. | 1:34:14 | 1:34:17 | |
A great friend and it's hard for me | 1:34:17 | 1:34:19 | |
to talk about because of how much hell he put me through | 1:34:19 | 1:34:21 | |
and my wife through. | 1:34:21 | 1:34:22 | |
He's like the guy who robs a bank | 1:34:25 | 1:34:27 | |
and then says, "Oops, forgot to frisk the tellers for any money | 1:34:27 | 1:34:32 | |
"they might have in their pockets." | 1:34:32 | 1:34:35 | |
So he essentially wanted it all. | 1:34:35 | 1:34:37 | |
Most of the cheats pretty much stop at the water's edge. | 1:34:43 | 1:34:46 | |
Lance didn't. | 1:34:49 | 1:34:51 | |
I had it. And then I just... | 1:34:51 | 1:34:54 | |
Things got too big. Things got too crazy. | 1:34:56 | 1:34:59 | |
What Lance never had was the truth... | 1:35:07 | 1:35:10 | |
..which is more powerful than the corrupt athlete. | 1:35:11 | 1:35:14 | |
It's an epic story. | 1:35:23 | 1:35:26 | |
Time flies, huh? | 1:35:31 | 1:35:32 | |
Who would have thought? | 1:35:35 | 1:35:37 |