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I said, "Don't come down here with no goddamn cameras and stuff." | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
Hello? I told you I didn't want my face in this shit. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
Even if your face is showing, how is somebody going to come after you? | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
You'd be surprised who knows me. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
-Everybody in Brooklyn knows me. -But they don't know where you are. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
They know me in Harlem, too, they know my face. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
But they don't know where you are. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
I might not even make no independent film if motherfuckers come after me. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
You guys ready? | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
# O'er the land of the free | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
# And the home of the brave. # | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
HE SHOUTS ENCOURAGEMENT | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
No! | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
# This is how we do | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
# This is how we do it | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
# This is how we do | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
# This is how we do it | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
# This is how we do | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
# This is how we do it... # | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
Anybody want a hot dog? Two for one. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
INAUDIBLE | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
'I don't like the word "informant". | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
'I consider myself as a civilian operative. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
'The public are not supposed to know I work for them. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
'I don't exist. I'm a spook. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
'A ghost.' | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
-So, what am I going to do with this one? -I'm going to show you. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
Patience. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
Patience, little one, patience. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
-Cool. -You're still a caterpillar. You're not a butterfly yet. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
Dude, you got to have that magic touch. See right there? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
See that right there? | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
I'll take this side, you just take care of that part. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
Bring it over a little bit. There you go. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
MOBILE PHONE RINGS | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Yeah, what's up? | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
Yeah. I got a gut feeling about this and, you know... | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
Exactly. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
What happened with the FBI? | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
They called me to do an assignment in Pittsburgh. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
Whatever the case may be. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
If they want me to do surveillance, I'm going to do it, you know. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
I need the money. I need the money. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
Shit... | 0:04:33 | 0:04:34 | |
Let's go. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
'Whatever this case comes out, if it's worth 200,000, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
'I'm going to give it all to my son. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
'I kind of messed up last time. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
'I mismanaged all my money, at least over 200,000-300,000. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
'So if this is my second chance, I'm going to take advantage of it.' | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
-What is the map on the wall? -Why is the what? | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Why is the map on the wall? | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
To find my locations around here. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
-Is there a significance to the red lines? -Yes, yes, yes, yes. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
It's regarding the work I do. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
No, I won't give you the picture. I'm going to put him up on here. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
It'd be better for you cos I don't want to explain nothing to you. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
You got it? That's it. Don't ask no questions about who they are. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
I'm giving you something that you shouldn't be seeing anyway. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
You know something? I notice you're always getting fucking headshots. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
Didn't you say you wanted to do this project? | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
Yeah, but don't you ever give it a break? | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
I can see why no fucking celebrities don't like "passerazzi". | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
-Are you not going to tell us anything? -No. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
I mean, these are all targets that are in suspected areas. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
For some reason, they've got a big population of Muslims | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
that come from the various countries over there that come to school here. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
Moroccans, Somalis, Iranians, Saudis... | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
And then they all go back to where they came from. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
I don't have no feelings for them. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
You're making Islam look bad, you got to go. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
-RADIO: -In a new book called The Terror Factory, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
Trevor Aaronson documents how the Federal Bureau of Investigation | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
has built a vast network of informants since 9/11 | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
and how those new FBI tactics work | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
within the delicate balance between civil liberties and domestic safety. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:15 | |
You know, before 9/11, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
the FBI investigated crimes after they'd occurred | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
and then, after 9/11, the mandate on the FBI was "never again". | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
And so what they're trying to do now, unlike before, is stop crimes | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
before they happen and these sting operations are how they do that. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
How many informants did they employ before 9/11? | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
Under Hoover, during the Cointelpro days, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
the FBI had 1,500 informants | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
and then, after 9/11, there was an explosion up to 15,000. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
Hasn't the FBI actually recruited criminals and conmen? | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
Absolutely. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:44 | |
The best informants are kind of the worst people. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
A federal court judge described informants to me as sociopaths | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
because they require them to build these very close relationships | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
and then betray them for personal means. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
They want to make a big bust | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
CAMERA CLICKS and they want to bust this guy | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
and whoever else are his associates regarding that. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
They just gave me this picture and said, "Look, this is the POI." | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
-What is POI? -Person of interest. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
His name is Khalifah. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
They suspect that he might be involved with individuals | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
dealing with domestic terrorism. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Right now, I would like to make this my last assignment. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
I want to spend the rest of my little bit of time with my son, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
not 800-something miles away. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
-Have you made contact with the POI? -Yeah. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
I bumped into him by accident on my own. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
I just happened to be walking cos I was going to go to Goodwill. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
The bus stop is right there and I happened to see him | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
and his wife so I walked over there and greeted them. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
The second time I met him with a brother named Jamil, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
Afrocentric shop, and, at that point, we exchanged numbers. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
He gave me his card, which contained his e-mail, his website | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
and the things that he do. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
-The Shabaan teaching something. -What does as-Shabaab mean in Arabic? | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
It's supposed to be "students". | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
-CHANTING: -Allahu Akbar! | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
But in Somali, the word "shabaab" is linked to a terrorist group. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
He wasn't Muslim all the time. He was a thug. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
Always fighting with the police. He did time. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
Does he think you're new to Pittsburgh? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
He knows I'm new to Pittsburgh. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
Why does he think you're here? | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
To do work for Red Cross, search and rescue. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
Do you know how this guy first came to their attention? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
The way I see him running around here now, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
it would make any motherfucker suspicious. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
He's walking around looking like a Taliban. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
My name is Khalifah al-Akili and I am from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
United States of America. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
The belly of the beast. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
HE SPEAKS IN ARABIC | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
His whole concept was about the government. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
He didn't like the government. "Why must we never forget 9/11? | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
"People are killed, murdered or die every single day." | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
So, he has a hatred towards the government. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
He doesn't really go out and speak in public about that. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
He does it on Facebook. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
-The target lives right around the corner from you? -That's right. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Most of the time, this is how you get close to the target. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
If you can get in the same apartment, same apartment building, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
two or three blocks' proximity. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
The agent said it's time to go. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
He's going to be here, he's going to be there, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:07 | |
cos it's obvious they're tapping his phones. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
These agents here is a little slow. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
They're not used to dealing with | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
so-called domestic terrorist individuals. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
It ain't like New York. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
I really want to get into a bakery. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
That's what I really want to do. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
I want to specialise in custom cupcakes. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
Open it with someone who's a master baker, I'll be his apprentice. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
Sweet cupcakes! | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
How was your meeting with the agents? | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
The meeting was somewhat brief and, you know, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
it's to gather information, gather intel. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
You know, in the interests of national security, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
then I shall oblige | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
by gathering that information and taking it to my superiors... | 0:14:45 | 0:14:53 | |
who, at this time, will be paying me some money. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
What is the character that you're playing with Khalifah? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
I'm not playing no character. I'm playing who I am. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
You know, a Muslim brother | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
who is involved with the Black Panther Party. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
That - that image there. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
# Black is beautiful... # | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
Say "power to the people". | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
-CROWD: -Power to the people! | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
Say "off the pigs". | 0:15:47 | 0:15:48 | |
-CROWD: -Off the pigs! | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
I joined the Black Panther Party, if I remember correctly, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
during the springtime, yeah, of 1967. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:02 | |
At that time, I was a little fly kid, wearing fly clothes. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
-# Revolution has come -Off the pigs! # | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
I was looking for a pack, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:12 | |
you always look to be part of a group or family or fraternity. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
We are organising our community - politically educating them, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
telling them exactly what is going on, not only here in America... | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
I was interested in what they were saying. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
What the government can't supply, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
then we take upon ourselves to give to the people. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
We're going to walk on this racist power structure and we're going | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
to say to the whole damn government, "Stick 'em up, motherfucker! | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
"This is a hold-up! We've come for what's ours." | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
FBI Director J Edgar Hoover today asserted that, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
of the black extremist groups, the Black Panthers represent | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
the greatest internal threat to the nation. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
This memo apparently went out to 37 agents. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
It ordered them to find informers in the black ghettoes. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
It was a command, not a suggestion. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
The documents describe things like Cointelpro, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
the FBI's programme to disrupt political extremists. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
The FBI had the organisation under surveillance. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
There had been efforts to get people inside our meetings. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
-Were you an informant during the Panther days? -No. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
What did the party say about informants? | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
They'd kill them. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
-Are all of your POIs Muslim? -Yes, all the POIs are Muslims. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:58 | |
-Why do you think that is? -I don't know what makes them Muslims. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
I took my shahada in the early '70s. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
It's a very practical religion, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:15 | |
but there are certain things you have to maintain, you know. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
Help one another, virtue is in piety. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
At this point now, I am struggling with my faith. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
Not because I don't believe in Allah - | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
things didn't go my way as I may have planned it to be. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
There's times I've been strong and there's times I've been weak. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
CALL TO PRAYER IN ARABIC | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
'There ain't too many Muslims in this whole area likes this dude. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
'They don't cos he starts trouble. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
'One imam had to call the police on him to get him | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
'out the fucking mosque cos he kept running off at the mouth.' | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
He up and turned round and told the imam, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
"You're going to remember this." | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
How do you go about getting someone to talk about jihad? | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
You don't do it that way, you just talk about Islam. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
You don't do that on the first day you meet, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
you don't do it on the first week. It might take you two or three weeks. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
You feel the individual out. You see if he's got grudges. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
You find out how he became Muslim, why he wanted to become Muslim. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:20:24 | 0:20:25 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
Yo, what's up? | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
'You just don't run into a community | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
'and expect to get results within a matter of four or six months. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
'I don't have bay'ah to this mosque | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
'and I don't have bay'ah to the imam either. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
'For most people, you have bay'ah to the imam. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
'That way, you can move around with them. I don't have it. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
'Even with this kid, I have to wait | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
'until he opens up to say something just to find a way to get in there.' | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
Exactly. All right, later. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
Some of my other places, as individuals, we have a lot in common. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
Even though this guy's a Muslim and I'm Muslim, that's as far it go. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:56 | |
He and I have nothing in common at all. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
Music-wise, politics, culture - none of it. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
You said that the POI sells books. What kind of books does he sell? | 0:22:10 | 0:22:15 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
He showed me in his library books on guerrilla warfare and all that. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
The United States Army Ranger Handbook, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
of dealing with explosives, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
CAMERA CLICKS revolutionary Islamic literature, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
how to train jihadists, you know, how to fight. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
I said, "Have you ever been in a war? You ever been in the military?" "No." | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
"Then how the hell do you know anything about guerrilla warfare? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
"Why do you have it there, just for show? Trying to impress people?" | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
-So, who set up your Facebook account? -The FBI. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Don't fuck with this shit. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
They're the ones pushing me to do this. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
-That'll do for now. -They should have gave you a class. -What class? | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
These fuckers don't know nothing, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
all they want to do is just try to make a fucking arrest. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
Who the hell's this girl Victoria Carr, she wants to be my friend? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
"I may know you from so and so." You don't know me. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Let me see how much I know you. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
Ohhh! | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
She wants to be MY friend. Oohhhh! | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
The POI, I just sent him a request cos he didn't want to answer before. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
How do I go out on this shit? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
-Have you ever gone on a target that was a friend? -Yeah, yeah, Shah. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
-Shah was my friend. -Was he a friend before... | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
He was my friend, yes, he was my friend. Yes, he was. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
-Was he a friend before... -Yes, he was my friend. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
When you asked the question three times, I done told you. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
Yes, he was my friend prior to him being investigated. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
CAMERA CLICKS | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
In the Shah case, you're dealing with home-grown African-American Muslims. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
His father was Captain Joseph Shah, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
who was a lieutenant with Malcolm X. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
A Florida physician and a self-described martial arts expert | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
from New York are under arrest tonight, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
charged with plotting to train terrorists for al-Qaeda. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
The government says it has the pair on audio tapes swearing a bay'ah, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
an oath of allegiance to Osama Bin Laden. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
The complaint alleges Shah did most of the talking | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
to a government informant wearing a wire. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
I tried to give him warning, tried to tell him certain things | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
and leave things alone. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:50 | |
He might have felt that he was untouchable. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
HE SCOFFS | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
Prosecutors contend that Shah told a government informer | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
that his work as a jazz musician was "the greatest cover". | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
-CHEERING AND APPLAUSE -Tarik Shah! | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
Shah was introduced to me by an agent while Shah was doing a gig. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
I went for bass lessons three times a week in his house. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
That was my front. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:21 | |
And, of course, me learning these bass lessons, I'm talking with him. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
My pitch was that he could make some money | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
if he makes some alliance with al-Qaeda | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
and they're looking for certain individuals such as himself | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
and they'd be willing to pay you for your time, you know. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
So when I fed him that line, that's when he went at it. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
It was like a bait. Threw the hook out there, he bit into it. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
This is Tarik and I at my birthday party. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
I forget, I was either 50 or 51. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
They had given me a birthday party with a stripper. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
But we will not take pictures of the stripper. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
'Tarik mentioned that he was giving this person bass lessons | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
'and I didn't even know his name | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
'so then when he said this particular person | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
'needed a place to stay' | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
and would I be willing to rent him the apartment downstairs, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:04 | |
I said to Tarik, "Well, I don't know this person," | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
so he said, "Ma, I can vouch for him." | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
I said, "Are you sure?" | 0:27:10 | 0:27:11 | |
You know, he's doing pretty good. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
You know, as well as can be expected under the conditions. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
For ten years, we've been suffering quietly. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
They send informants into our community, we stay quiet, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
we stay afraid and that only makes their job easier. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
The longer we stay quiet, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:37 | |
the more dangerous it is for our children and our future generations. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
And so this campaign will be mobilising people | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
in Muslim communities, black communities, immigrant communities, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
civil rights communities, everybody together to fight the use | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
of these informants and surveillance. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
I think Tarik is so hurt because he liked the brother | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
and he trusted the brother. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:03 | |
Tarik is such a believer in Islam | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
and I think he feels that Allah will deal with him. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Yeah, yeah. That's right. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
Come on. You want that snow? Come on, come on. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Heel up, heel up, heel, here. Heel up. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
Stop it, don't do that. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:47 | |
You make her nervous. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
She ain't going to do nothing to you. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
Hey! Hey! She done tore your coat, you see? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:55 | |
Yeah, don't run after her and let her play like that cos... Hey! | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
Her teeth are sharp. So you've got to tell your momma... Wow! | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
She ain't going to be mad? | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
-Previously on Homeland... -She wants out. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
She asked for 5 million and a flight to Detroit. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
This is not some set-up, it's real. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
An informant, married for years to a Hezbollah commander, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
turns up out of the blue... | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
I thought we'd better meet her sooner rather than later. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
We were supposed to meet her together | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
so you could talk to her and I could assess her reliability. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Meaning you don't trust my judgment? | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
Meaning the entire point of the protocol | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
was to keep your judgment out of it. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
Carrie? | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
We're going to have to get back to you. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
Saul, she seem critical to you? | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
I'm not really in a position to say. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
How exactly did they train you to kind of prepare? | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
They didn't train me for nothing. It's how I use the language. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
If they trained me, I would never get what I wanted to get | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
because they're strictly textbook. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
There's a difference between telling somebody and making a suggestion. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
It's entrapment if I go and tell him, "Yo, come on, let's go rob a bank", | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
and you know that was not his intention. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
That was my intentions, so I'm entrapping him. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
I don't make the suggestions. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
I may go to him and say, "Man, there's a lot of money in there, boy. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
"See them dropping off all that damn money?" | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
And he feeds into it, and he go, "Shit, I sure like to take that." | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
What about your current target? | 0:30:34 | 0:30:35 | |
Are your handlers trying to suggest that you...? | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
I don't suggest anything. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
I wait till, as we speak and we get to know each other, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
what we speak about. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:42 | |
So when he brought up camping, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
that was my key opening right there, the door opened up for me | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
to make a suggestion there. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
I say, "That's cool, man. We can all go camping." | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
I say, you know, "Why don't we just go a little further?" | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
"We could train, man, like we do in the military." | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
I said, "Brother, you want to go and fight for the Muslim state?" | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
He said, "I got to consult my sheikh." | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
I said, "See, that's what's wrong with you, brother. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
"You brothers always talk that jihad stuff | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
"but when somebody give you the opportunity to make a move | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
"to fight for the Islam, you're not going to fight for the Islam, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
"y'all talk that talk but you won't walk the walk." | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
He's not really a good Muslim. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
We're going to get some coffee. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
That motherfucker stole the coffee grinding machine, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
he stole the coffee urn, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
and I told him straight up after he'd done, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
like, his fourth stealing, and I said, "Yo, man, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
"did you consult your sheikh and your imam when you steal all that stuff?" | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
I ain't got to wear no kufi. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:53 | |
I ain't got to wear no keffiyeh. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
I ain't got to wear a goddamn thing to say I'm Muslim. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
God said that shit already been established way before we was born. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
SINGING IN ARABIC | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
What drew me to the Islam was more of that militant aspect. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
Not a jihadist but more of a stand-up, take no bullshit. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
Brothers and sisters, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
you must be abreast of what is happening all over the world. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
You must read. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:36 | |
Your first reading is for Anne and Sunnah. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
Nice community. Nice community of brothers, man, you know what I mean? | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
Some of them used to be Panthers and some used to be New African, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
you know, brothers. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
Imam Siraj, me and him used to sit down and talk. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
We were good friends. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
All the brothers were good friends. We all tight. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
It's just that inner circle. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
There's the inner circle and the outer circle. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
I was part of the security council. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
Crack at the Demigoza. It was bad, man, it was really bad. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
We was cleaning up the neighbourhood, we was cleaning up the drug dealers. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
-RADIO: -Um, suspicious-looking people... | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
I provide them intel on where all the drug dealers would be at. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
I was an asset to the community. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
I loved it. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
I loved it. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
THEY SHOUT | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
Good. Next! | 0:33:49 | 0:33:50 | |
All right. Good. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
That's what I want to see. Keep going. Ready? | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
THEY SHOUT | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
When I first met Saeed, it was around the time that we were | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
dealing with the drug problem here in the neighbourhood. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
We had a very good impression of him. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
You know, he was very much involved. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
He was knowledgeable about certain things. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
He has a very pleasant personality. He's very intelligent. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Very intelligent. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
What do you think your reputation at the mosque is now? | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
Oh, man, it's probably all, "I'm going to kill that motherfucker, | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
"don't want to see him, going to put a bullet hole in that boy." | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
I... | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
broke a solemn oath against another Muslim. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
They don't give a shit if the other Muslim's bad or not. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
He's a Muslim. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
Did you know Tarik Shah? | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, he was part of this community too. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
His family, I mean. Beautiful brother. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
-TV: -At yesterday's arraignment, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
an upbeat but shackled Shah greeted the packed court gallery of | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
supporters and press with the Arabic greeting, "May peace be upon you." | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
Out of all the cases I worked on, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
that was the only one that called me to testify. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
And I worked on more than eight goddamn cases. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
A whole bunch of them come up from mosque who knows me. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
They couldn't believe it. They said, "Oh, man. That's Saeed. No..." | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
"He's been with us too long." | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
He saw us, but he would not look in our direction. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
He saw us, you know? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:24 | |
'I don't know what's in a man's heart, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
'but how could you not feel guilty?' | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
Imam Siraj put a fatwa out on me, OK? | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
And I'm not going into any details about how the words was | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
pronounced, how he put it in there. He put a fatwa out. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
Now, y'all are journalists. Y'all know what a fatwa is. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
I ain't going to tell you exactly what words he used cos | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
I don't know exactly what words. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
I'm getting it from people I know who already told me. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:35:59 | 0:36:00 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:36:22 | 0:36:23 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
One thing about the government, the government will use you | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
and they will drop your ass like a hot motherfucking stone. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
And don't be a motherfucking convict | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
or they really get over on you then. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
I spent all my money this week, man. Ain't that a bitch? | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
That's 11. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
This is all I got, man. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:22 | |
Would you consider this full-time work? | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
They consider it full-time. I don't see no full-time money. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
What would you say your services are worth? | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
My services need to be at least over 3,500. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
What are you basing that rate on? | 0:37:34 | 0:37:35 | |
I'm basing it on my investigation techniques. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
Infiltrating some radical fucking group | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
that they're not even sure about. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
Now, the only way I could push their fucking wig back is | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
unless I just tell them I'm out of here. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
Cos I'm not going to bust my ass. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
You got me waking up at 5 o'clock in the fucking morning | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
chasing a fucking ghost. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:53 | |
-Answer the phone, -BLEEP! | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
Hello. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
-Hey, -BLEEP, -I see you. You see me? | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
Yeah. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
Oh, OK. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
Look at him. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
INAUDIBLE | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Just like his daddy. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
His teeth fell out? | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
Yes. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:22 | |
Oh, it's growing back, though, right? | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
Yeah. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
OK. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:28 | |
I love you! | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
Living this type of life, man, you lose out on a lot of shit, man. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
Family life.... | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
..your social life. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
Do you think your present right now is in any way related to your past? | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
What I done in the past, I don't even like to bring it back up. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
I really don't. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
You know, even if you try to bounce back, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
even to make amends for the things you may have done. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
Got to deal with it, man. Got to deal with it. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Got to deal with it. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
I was a revolutionary. Revolutionary activist, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
like Robin Hood. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
I was with a certain crew that was, uh, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
setting up certain institutions to be appropriated for our cause. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
Postal Service, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
banks, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
New York City Transit. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
So all we do is just ex-appropriate it back to other people, the masses. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
We used to drop off a few money and stuff at the mosque, you know? | 0:40:13 | 0:40:19 | |
Wouldn't tell nobody where we got it from, you know what I mean? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
I hung out with a lot of transit cops, court officers and all that. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
I did that for the purpose of them assuming that I was one of them. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
Then all my shit just crumbled down and I got... | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
I got caught out in the end and got arrested. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Yeah, I was charged with grand larceny, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
impersonation of a New York City Transit cop, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
and possession of weapons. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
When were you first approached by the FBI? | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
Oh, I was approached, man, when I was arrested. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
So the guy's, "OK, we tell you what. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
"Here's our card. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
"You need something, you let us know. Now, you want to make a deal? | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
"You facing 20 years right now as it is." | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
And I said, "Damn, 20 fucking years in the fed." | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
So I said, "Fuck it." | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
I called them in. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
Said, "Yeah, what do you want to speak on, man?" | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
SIRENS BLARE | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
After the World Trade Center, they felt that certain Muslim | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
communities, domestically, was involved. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
I happened to know the blind sheikh that was part of the security detail. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
So they felt that I knew the routine, which I didn't, really. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
So how often would they come and ask you for intelligence? | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
Oh, it'd be, like, three times a week. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
So I was their boy all the way until the time I came out. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
After 9/11, I got a call. They said, "Look, come by and talk." | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
I said, "OK." | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
I opened the door and he came in. He had another agent with him. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
They asked me to come with them full-time. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
They just wanted to recruit me and shit, get me signed up and say, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
"Welcome aboard," you know? | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
This was clandestine shit, you know? | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
Covert operation bullshit, you know? It exists. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
You know what I mean? | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
Truthfully speaking, y'all got him thinking that he's, like, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
the top-notch terrorist around here. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
That he just can't be touched, he's untouchable. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
But in reality, he ain't nothing. He ain't going nowhere. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
I never been around a target that steals petty. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
I mean, being a Muslim at that. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
That's not acceptable. I mean, that's petty. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
OK. All right. Bye. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
I'm not feeling this, man. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
This is the first time I ever felt like this. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
As long as I've been doing this work, I never felt this. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
So your instinct says this one just isn't right? | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
Not right that he'd do me bodily harm but because he's unpredictable. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
He ain't the brightest. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:23 | |
But he ain't the dumbest, either. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
-All right. You ready? -Yeah. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
My name is Khalifah Al-Akili, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
from Pittsburgh. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
In 1991, I accepted Islam, took shahada. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
What was the religion that you were born into? | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
Well, we're all born Muslim, but I was raised protestant. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:20 | |
Islam teaches us how to rectify our inner self, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:28 | |
which the Prophet Muhammad | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
said is the greatest jihad. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
The word "jihad", it simply means struggle. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
And the greatest jihad that every believer, man and woman, will | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
go through is that inner struggle against our lower, bestial desires. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:43 | |
The more things that we do as Muslims, the more | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
of a closer relationship that we can have with our creator. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
Turn this up... | 0:45:55 | 0:45:56 | |
VOICEMAIL: Uh, just let me know cos I | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
text you and you never replied to the text. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
I don't know if you're sleeping or what. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
But if you get this message, give me a call, please. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:11 | |
Insha'Allah. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
He was always talking about the cause, | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
the cause, the cause, you know? | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
And, you know, some guys pray, other guys fight. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
ASA, which means as-salamu alaikum, Brother K, check this movie, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
it's a series called Homeland. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
About terrorists, right? | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
Which I actually did and I actually enjoyed it, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:41 | |
But, yeah, but it was like it was to help him talk about that topic. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:46 | |
I was coming back from the store and... | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
Shariff's truck came around the corner, so I waved at him, | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
and he stops the truck and the passenger side opens up... | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
They bum-rushed it. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:02 | |
The bureau brings in another CHS. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
What's a CHS? | 0:47:07 | 0:47:08 | |
It's a confidential human source. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
And then he turns out to be Muhammad. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
All I was supposed to do was introduce him to Khalifah, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
and just let him know, I have an individual Muslim coming in. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
He's a recruiter for the Taliban, or he's a recruiter for the al-Qaeda. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
You know, he's a good brother, you know? Maybe y'all should meet. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
Short and simple. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:32 | |
Before I could even introduce the fucking dude to the fucking POI, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
this motherfucker was jumping out my car ready just to meet him. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
I'm like, "What the fuck?" | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
That guy got out and he came up to me | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
and gave me the greeting of "as-salamu alaikum", | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
kissed me on both cheeks and I swear to you, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
when I walked away from that situation, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
I walked away feeling like I'd just played a part in some | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
Hollywood terrorist movie, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:56 | |
like I'd just met the leader of some terrorist organisation. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:01 | |
Actually, right there on the spot, he wanted to go have some coffee | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
or sit down with me and I told him, "No," you know? | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
"I still have to go visit my mother and I'm actually on my way | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
"there, getting ready to catch the bus to go there." | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
I walked away. He got back in the truck. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
They still wanted me to proceed. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
I told them, "Man, I don't feel right going into that man's house, man." | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
Enquiring, "What's up?" You know, | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
and he just finished telling me that more than 20 minutes ago. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
He was at his mother's house. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
"Oh, tell them that Muhammad got a card for his mother," | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
and everything going to be all right, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
so, "We didn't realise you were there, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
"we just heard some noise so we knocked." | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
So I said, "Really? | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
"Really? That sounds real deep undercover, huh? | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
"Real deep." | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
I said, "I'm not going to feel too comfortable with that, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
"but I'm going to do it anyway, but I'm letting y'all know, | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
"when you fuck up, don't come at me and say it was my fault. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
"I ain't hearing it." | 0:48:59 | 0:49:00 | |
Next thing I know, he was at the front door. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
He hit a code on the keypad at the entrance to | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
come into the building and I had it set up to ring to my cellphone. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:12 | |
Now, I've never had any visitors just pop up at my apartment | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
unannounced so I answered it and... | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
I was like, "Khalifah, it's me, Shariff." | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
He said, "Who? Who? Who? Who?" | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
It was Shariff. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:26 | |
Shariff was saying, "Oh, I'm here with Muhammad and we figured that | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
"we'd come and see you and sit down with you, spend some time." | 0:49:29 | 0:49:34 | |
I said, "Well, I'm not at home." I lied and said, "I'm not at home." | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
It was so clear that I didn't want to meet these guys. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
Like, seriously, like, | 0:49:43 | 0:49:44 | |
I literally made up excuse after excuse after excuse. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
The next morning, I walked up here to the corner. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:53 | |
And that's when, you know, | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
quote-unquote Muhammad came from around the corner. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
You know, just appeared out of nowhere. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
You know, he had his hotel downtown Pittsburgh | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
and yet he was here in Wilkinsburg | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
at 9.30 in the morning without no car, no vehicle. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
He just so happened to have that card for my mother on him. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
I reluctantly agreed to go to McDonald's | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
and, you know, have some coffee with him. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
The morning that we all came in here, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
we actually sat at this first booth right here | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
and that's whenever he began to talk about | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
his people being involved in jihad and whatnot and fighting. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
This was the location that we sat down and had the coffee with him. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
So we exchanged numbers and actually that morning, he drove me home. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
After that, I didn't hear anything from him. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
Taliban? | 0:50:52 | 0:50:53 | |
-You know what that means - Taliban? -Not a damn thing. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
Oh, yeah? It means student. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
-Student of knowledge. -OK. | 0:50:58 | 0:50:59 | |
Ain't nothing wrong with them, brother. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
-Well, I ain't said nothing wrong with them. -OK. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
The wearing of the turban has been in existence thousands of years | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
before the Taliban was even formulated | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
in Afghanistan and Pakistan. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
-Oh, OK. -Yeah, my father's a Muslim. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
Actually, Allah's just the Arabic name for God. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
Christians and Jews that speak Arabic... | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:51:24 | 0:51:25 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
It's like my third time. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
"You can no longer message..." | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
So he said, "All right, you can no longer..." | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
So that means he doesn't want to correspond with me. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:57 | |
See, these motherfuckers, they fucked up. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:01 | |
Watch this. I'm going to call these motherfuckers and let them know. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:05 | |
Yo, Jay. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:09 | |
I don't know what's going on. He didn't block me for the knife. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
He knew that was me. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:14 | |
All right, OK. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:20 | |
All right, later. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:22 | |
You know, they fucked up there. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
I'm not even going to deal with that. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
Let them deal with the headaches. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
DOG WHINES | 0:53:12 | 0:53:13 | |
Shut up! | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
Fucking piss me off today with your bullshit! | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
I mean, I could have set him up. Just take a fucking handgun | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
and just put it somewhere and say, "Yo, you all, I'm calling the locals, | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
"have the locals grab you right now." | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
Boom, he got a gun. And, yeah, it's all over with. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:30 | |
But they don't want to do it that way. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
And I told them, I said, "I'm not here to entrap nobody." | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
They're trying to make me force this dude | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
into saying something... | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
to support terrorism. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
I said, "The dude is not a fucking terrorist, man. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
"He's not even a pseudo-terrorist. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
"He's nothing but an oxymoron." | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
I said, "What you all been doing for the last three years? | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
"You all just seeing nothing. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:57 | |
"If you all ain't seeing, what do you all expect me to see?" | 0:53:57 | 0:54:00 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:54:00 | 0:54:01 | |
DOORBELL RINGS | 0:54:13 | 0:54:14 | |
Fuck. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:15 | |
Fuck, man. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
You rang my bell? | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
-Huh? -Sorry. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
-Happy birthday. -Thank you. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
-Thank you. -I'm going to get you something next month, OK? | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
-OK. -All right? -Yeah. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
All right, tell your momma I said hello. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
Hm... | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
Nobody rings my bell. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:51 | |
I don't expect it. I don't have company here. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
When that bell rings, I'm on my p's and q's. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
And believe it or not, | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
if I think you're a threat to me, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
I will liquidate you with extreme prejudice. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
HE COUGHS AND SPLUTTERS | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
MOBILE PHONE RINGS | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
I honestly believe that that incident with that guy, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
that that agent brought up, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
if he hadn't have did what he did, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
believe me, this thing could have weighed a little further. Right. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
Yeah, he sensed things. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
So I shouldn't have to wait for him, even if it came to exposing me. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
And I don't want to be put in that situation. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
So I definitely have to stay under the radar to a certain extent. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:49 | |
But that dude ain't going to bust a grape. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
He ain't going to throw rice at a wedding, believe me. You know? | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
He's just, you know... | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
Eventually, y'all may get him on something else. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
Maybe tax fraud. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
Crossing state lines. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
You know? | 0:56:06 | 0:56:07 | |
But I think it's just the Bureau's | 0:56:07 | 0:56:08 | |
going to have to take a different approach at him. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
It may have to go at him hardcore | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
and just get him for the hell of it, you know what I mean? | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
Black ball trick. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:17 | |
OK. All right. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
I'll talk to you later, then. All right. Later. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
And I'm out of here. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
Right now, I'm looking at a projection of me | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
being with my fucking son. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
Shariff left me alone in his truck. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
And when he did that, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:41 | |
there was a letter sitting on the dashboard from the welfare office. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
So I picked it up and I snapped a picture of it, | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
because I knew he was FBI. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
I wanted to know who this guy was. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
And his real name is Saeed S Torres. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
Come on, Sheba. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
Come on. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:02 | |
This was a guy who used to e-mail me all the time. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
Call me, you know, "Let's go out for coffee. I'll pick you up." | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
But a lot of that slowed down dramatically | 0:57:10 | 0:57:14 | |
after he'd introduced me to this "Mohammed". | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
I put his phone number into Google. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:21 | |
Anyone should be wanted for the things they do. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
That's him. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:32 | |
..by Allah or the organisation that does these things. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:35 | |
Mohammed, he was an informer for the FBI. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
And his real name is Shahed Hussain. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
I felt that I was almost obligated to expose these guys. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
Sheba, Sheba, Sheba, go, go, please. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
I sent out an e-mail, very blatantly, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
with the subject, "FBI informers". | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
There's hundreds of people on this e-mail list. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
I told anybody, | 0:57:57 | 0:57:58 | |
if anybody wants to question me about this, they can do so. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
Shariff, he's gone. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
He's moved out completely, like out of the clear blue. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:09 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
Hello? | 0:58:23 | 0:58:24 | |
Yes. Khalifah, how are you? This is Steve Downs. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:28 | |
Good. I'm very good. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:29 | |
And I just wanted to make sure you understand that some people | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
may be listening in on this line, though. The FBI. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
OK. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:38 | |
So, anyway, I just wanted to go over your statement. | 0:58:38 | 0:58:43 | |
You first met Shariff in September, October of 2011. | 0:58:43 | 0:58:47 | |
Yes. Somewhere around that time. | 0:58:47 | 0:58:49 | |
Mm-hm. | 0:58:49 | 0:58:50 | |
'Khalifah found out about our group Project SALAM on the internet | 0:58:50 | 0:58:53 | |
'and sent us this e-mail. | 0:58:53 | 0:58:55 | |
'What really was striking about this e-mail | 0:58:55 | 0:58:58 | |
'was that it was so detailed and so specific | 0:58:58 | 0:59:00 | |
'and that, through a series of googles and telephones and stuff,' | 0:59:00 | 0:59:04 | |
he had so cleverly caught the FBI trying to catch him. | 0:59:04 | 0:59:08 | |
I've never seen a case quite like that. | 0:59:08 | 0:59:11 | |
I just wanted to... | 0:59:28 | 0:59:29 | |
Well, one of the things that we were thinking about | 0:59:29 | 0:59:31 | |
is that we would like to have a press conference down in Washington. | 0:59:31 | 0:59:36 | |
And that may be next Thursday. | 0:59:36 | 0:59:38 | |
And call attention to all of this and make a big deal about it | 0:59:38 | 0:59:41 | |
and really call the FBI out on it. | 0:59:41 | 0:59:43 | |
Are you comfortable with that? | 0:59:43 | 0:59:45 | |
My only concern is that I don't want them retaliating against you, | 0:59:50 | 0:59:53 | |
simply because they couldn't put a case together. | 0:59:53 | 0:59:56 | |
But I think sometimes, | 0:59:56 | 0:59:59 | |
simply going public with it, the way you have and notifying everybody, | 0:59:59 | 1:00:02 | |
is the best way to head it off. So... | 1:00:02 | 1:00:04 | |
Right. | 1:00:09 | 1:00:10 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 1:00:11 | 1:00:13 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 1:00:18 | 1:00:19 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 1:00:25 | 1:00:27 | |
You all exposed me. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:35 | |
You all put me on the goddamn line | 1:00:35 | 1:00:37 | |
and left me out there hanging to dry. | 1:00:37 | 1:00:40 | |
Initially, when I did this contract with you all, | 1:00:41 | 1:00:44 | |
if I didn't feel right about something, I wouldn't go and do it. | 1:00:44 | 1:00:46 | |
But you're all forcing my hand to go and do it. | 1:00:46 | 1:00:49 | |
You exposed me one time already | 1:00:49 | 1:00:51 | |
and I lost all my friends out of New York. | 1:00:51 | 1:00:53 | |
I lost everybody I grew up with and everything because of your bullshit. | 1:00:53 | 1:00:57 | |
-ANSWERPHONE: -First saved message. | 1:01:00 | 1:01:02 | |
Received March 9th at 4.50pm. | 1:01:02 | 1:01:07 | |
But you see what I'm saying? | 1:01:44 | 1:01:46 | |
I'm heading home. | 1:01:46 | 1:01:48 | |
And you see what they still ask of me? | 1:01:48 | 1:01:51 | |
Go to the fucking limbs, let my fucking bones crumble. | 1:01:51 | 1:01:55 | |
I've got a meeting with my attorney. | 1:02:04 | 1:02:09 | |
I'm hoping that today the lawyer will be able to assist me | 1:02:09 | 1:02:13 | |
in giving me some advice on what I need to do to protect myself | 1:02:13 | 1:02:16 | |
and to protect my family | 1:02:16 | 1:02:18 | |
in the case that, if something was to happen to me, | 1:02:18 | 1:02:22 | |
that I was to be snatched off the street. | 1:02:22 | 1:02:25 | |
Can you think of anything else unusual | 1:02:32 | 1:02:34 | |
that's happened in the past year, people following you? | 1:02:34 | 1:02:38 | |
Just yesterday, me and my wife went to Jamil's Global Village | 1:02:38 | 1:02:41 | |
in East Liberty. | 1:02:41 | 1:02:44 | |
And as soon as I walked in there, like, not even a minute later, | 1:02:44 | 1:02:47 | |
this guy walks in. He's on a phone. | 1:02:47 | 1:02:49 | |
And there's some clothing, like, directly in front of the door. | 1:02:49 | 1:02:53 | |
He came in and he felt the sleeve of one of the clothes | 1:02:53 | 1:02:57 | |
and he was like, "Oh, this is nice material." | 1:02:57 | 1:02:59 | |
And then we were joking with him, actually, rubbed on his shirt | 1:02:59 | 1:03:03 | |
and said, "You got a nice shirt on, too." | 1:03:03 | 1:03:05 | |
And it was so clear that this man had a bulletproof vest on. | 1:03:05 | 1:03:07 | |
For some reason, they're just attracted to you. | 1:03:07 | 1:03:11 | |
I don't think anything is going to happen for a while. | 1:03:12 | 1:03:15 | |
Based on what you've told me... | 1:03:15 | 1:03:17 | |
..it would be hard for them to indict you right now, | 1:03:18 | 1:03:21 | |
based on what we think they know. | 1:03:21 | 1:03:24 | |
But they might try. | 1:03:24 | 1:03:25 | |
If they do come to your house, | 1:03:25 | 1:03:28 | |
they'll come, you know, late at night | 1:03:28 | 1:03:30 | |
-or early in the morning. -Right. | 1:03:30 | 1:03:32 | |
The fact that they haven't already arrested me, | 1:03:37 | 1:03:40 | |
they obviously don't really have anything on me | 1:03:40 | 1:03:43 | |
and so they're still trying. | 1:03:43 | 1:03:46 | |
But you never know, you know? Just you never know. | 1:03:46 | 1:03:49 | |
As far as I know, I mean, Allah knows best, | 1:03:52 | 1:03:54 | |
but I haven't seen anyone following me today. | 1:03:54 | 1:03:56 | |
Why do we have to live in fear? | 1:04:07 | 1:04:09 | |
Why does my family have to live in fear every day now? | 1:04:09 | 1:04:13 | |
Whenever I walk out, my wife's wondering, you know, | 1:04:13 | 1:04:15 | |
is her husband going to return? | 1:04:15 | 1:04:17 | |
You know, I have a nine-month-old baby. | 1:04:20 | 1:04:23 | |
and my wife now, like, | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
she don't have no family in this country at all. | 1:04:26 | 1:04:28 | |
So if something happens to me, you know, | 1:04:28 | 1:04:32 | |
where does that leave my family? | 1:04:32 | 1:04:33 | |
No. | 1:04:56 | 1:04:57 | |
I haven't done anything to anybody! | 1:05:14 | 1:05:16 | |
Muhammad said, | 1:05:16 | 1:05:18 | |
"Beware of the supplication of the person who is unjustly treated." | 1:05:18 | 1:05:23 | |
This is wrong. I haven't done anything to anyone. | 1:05:23 | 1:05:26 | |
Can you please try and get a hold of somebody to help my wife, please? | 1:05:29 | 1:05:32 | |
Please, man. | 1:05:32 | 1:05:34 | |
Investigators are questioning a man | 1:05:52 | 1:05:54 | |
after the FBI raided his Wilkinsburg home. | 1:05:54 | 1:05:57 | |
What they found inside | 1:05:57 | 1:05:58 | |
has forced them to launch a major investigation. | 1:05:58 | 1:06:02 | |
He told friends he wanted to join the Taliban and die like a martyr. | 1:06:02 | 1:06:06 | |
But he ran from the FBI. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:08 | |
The Pittsburgh FBI SWAT team, though, | 1:06:08 | 1:06:10 | |
took him down moments later in front of his Wilkinsburg apartment | 1:06:10 | 1:06:14 | |
and now the Feds tonight are looking to see just what level | 1:06:14 | 1:06:17 | |
of anti-American he might be. | 1:06:17 | 1:06:19 | |
Ali Al-Akili, also known as James Marvin Thomas Jr, | 1:06:19 | 1:06:23 | |
was in possession of jihadist literature | 1:06:23 | 1:06:25 | |
and literature on the US military and its tactics | 1:06:25 | 1:06:28 | |
and that he promoted guerrilla violence | 1:06:28 | 1:06:30 | |
against the US armed forces. | 1:06:30 | 1:06:32 | |
Now, tonight there is no hard evidence, according to the Feds, | 1:06:32 | 1:06:36 | |
that the suspect took any action against United States. | 1:06:36 | 1:06:39 | |
But this investigation of this suspect and his friends | 1:06:39 | 1:06:43 | |
is far from over. | 1:06:43 | 1:06:44 | |
Hey, little man! | 1:06:48 | 1:06:49 | |
Go on, hey, get your hands up. Don't you know how to fight yet? | 1:06:51 | 1:06:54 | |
Yeah, I know, you've got your little pretty face. | 1:06:54 | 1:06:57 | |
You OK? | 1:07:00 | 1:07:02 | |
Your daddy's here now. | 1:07:03 | 1:07:05 | |
Wow. | 1:07:07 | 1:07:09 | |
It's good to be home, man. It's really good. | 1:07:09 | 1:07:11 | |
Project SALAM received this e-mail | 1:07:22 | 1:07:24 | |
from Khalifah, | 1:07:24 | 1:07:27 | |
in which he identified two informers - | 1:07:27 | 1:07:29 | |
Shahed Hussain and Saeed Torres. | 1:07:29 | 1:07:32 | |
He decided to hold a press conference | 1:07:32 | 1:07:34 | |
on Thursday, the day before the FBI arrested him. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:38 | |
And what did they arrest him on? | 1:07:38 | 1:07:40 | |
On a gun charge. | 1:07:40 | 1:07:42 | |
The gun charge was apparently based on the fact | 1:07:42 | 1:07:44 | |
that he had gone to a public shooting range | 1:07:44 | 1:07:47 | |
and made a video of it, which he posted on his Facebook. | 1:07:47 | 1:07:50 | |
And it has been on his page for at least six months. | 1:07:50 | 1:07:53 | |
Now, why time it to be exactly the day that he says, | 1:07:53 | 1:07:56 | |
"I'm going to go to a press conference | 1:07:56 | 1:07:58 | |
"and I'm going to explain that I don't want to be involved | 1:07:58 | 1:08:01 | |
"in any terrorism act | 1:08:01 | 1:08:03 | |
"and I wish the FBI would stop trying to press me into it." | 1:08:03 | 1:08:05 | |
If the mosque comes to the FBI and says "We suspect this person," | 1:08:05 | 1:08:09 | |
is the FBI under any obligation to say, "Yeah, that's an informant"? | 1:08:09 | 1:08:13 | |
Just on the legal question, | 1:08:13 | 1:08:15 | |
the Bureau has no legal requirement | 1:08:15 | 1:08:17 | |
to tell either the targets of investigations | 1:08:17 | 1:08:20 | |
or anyone related to them about informants. | 1:08:20 | 1:08:22 | |
Interestingly, it's also never told Congress about the standards | 1:08:22 | 1:08:24 | |
under which it sends people to do this work, | 1:08:24 | 1:08:26 | |
which has really impeded any opportunity for oversight. | 1:08:26 | 1:08:30 | |
The FBI routinely uses informants to contrive cases | 1:08:30 | 1:08:34 | |
and criminalise First Amendment-protected activity. | 1:08:34 | 1:08:37 | |
And this is the same pattern that emerges | 1:08:37 | 1:08:39 | |
in case after case after case. | 1:08:39 | 1:08:41 | |
Tarik may be guilty. But you know what? Of talking. | 1:09:04 | 1:09:07 | |
In the whole thing, there was nothing about any weapons, | 1:09:09 | 1:09:12 | |
no bar... | 1:09:12 | 1:09:13 | |
Not nothing. Nothing. | 1:09:13 | 1:09:15 | |
Talk. | 1:09:15 | 1:09:16 | |
You want to wear those sneakers or your other sneakers? | 1:09:19 | 1:09:22 | |
You want to wear those? | 1:09:22 | 1:09:24 | |
This was all because of his child support payment. | 1:09:25 | 1:09:29 | |
They had Tarik owing 70,000, 80,000. | 1:09:30 | 1:09:35 | |
They knew that he was struggling. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:39 | |
Who are "they"? | 1:09:39 | 1:09:41 | |
Saeed knew that he was struggling with his payments. | 1:09:41 | 1:09:45 | |
I'm still making child-support payments for him. | 1:09:46 | 1:09:49 | |
And he's in prison. | 1:09:51 | 1:09:52 | |
Now, he felt desperate and he said, "I'll do anything." | 1:09:58 | 1:10:02 | |
And that's when they said, "We got him." | 1:10:02 | 1:10:04 | |
Now, you go and explain to him that, since he feels so down and stuff, | 1:10:04 | 1:10:07 | |
you've got some people that will help him. | 1:10:07 | 1:10:09 | |
Because he started saying he'd do desperate things. | 1:10:09 | 1:10:12 | |
And that's all they wanted him to say. | 1:10:12 | 1:10:13 | |
If you knew how everything would have turned out, | 1:10:19 | 1:10:21 | |
both for you and for Tarik, | 1:10:21 | 1:10:23 | |
-would you have done anything differently? -No. | 1:10:23 | 1:10:26 | |
I'm not in control of this. | 1:10:29 | 1:10:31 | |
They are in control of it. | 1:10:31 | 1:10:33 | |
Who are "they"? | 1:10:35 | 1:10:37 | |
The agents, man. Come on! | 1:10:37 | 1:10:39 | |
Don't play with no word games with me. | 1:10:39 | 1:10:41 | |
Who else is "they"? Who else am I speaking of? | 1:10:41 | 1:10:43 | |
This is not something new that is happening. | 1:10:51 | 1:10:55 | |
I mean, these are things | 1:10:55 | 1:10:57 | |
that Malcolm used to talk about in the '60s. | 1:10:57 | 1:10:59 | |
He used to just always say, | 1:10:59 | 1:11:01 | |
"Be very careful of who you are speaking to, | 1:11:01 | 1:11:04 | |
"because I know that there are FBI informants that are Muslims." | 1:11:04 | 1:11:10 | |
The Quran says to enjoin good, | 1:11:17 | 1:11:20 | |
not to solicit or not to coerce and to do the wrong. | 1:11:20 | 1:11:23 | |
That's a major defilation of Quranic teachings, | 1:11:23 | 1:11:26 | |
you know, to encourage people to do wrong and that's what he was doing. | 1:11:26 | 1:11:30 | |
One of his fears is that someone in this mosque | 1:11:30 | 1:11:32 | |
may have issued a fatwa against him. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:34 | |
No! | 1:11:34 | 1:11:35 | |
Saeed, he knows better. | 1:11:35 | 1:11:38 | |
Nobody put a fatwa on Saeed. Nobody. | 1:11:38 | 1:11:41 | |
I seen him personally at one of the African street festivals. | 1:11:46 | 1:11:51 | |
I just stayed away from him. | 1:11:51 | 1:11:53 | |
-WOMAN'S VOICE: -Hello. This is a prepaid collect call from... | 1:12:04 | 1:12:08 | |
-Khalifah -..at Northeast Ohio Correctional Center. | 1:12:08 | 1:12:13 | |
This call is subject to recordings and monitoring. | 1:12:13 | 1:12:17 | |
-WOMAN'S VOICE: -Thank you for using Secure Call. Goodbye. | 1:12:57 | 1:13:00 | |
I've been unemployed. | 1:13:10 | 1:13:12 | |
You know, it's been kind of rough. | 1:13:12 | 1:13:15 | |
The local jobs here, for some reason, | 1:13:17 | 1:13:19 | |
it seems like they just want their own kind. | 1:13:19 | 1:13:22 | |
I don't see too many Irish bars hiring any black cooks, | 1:13:22 | 1:13:25 | |
you know what I mean? | 1:13:25 | 1:13:27 | |
Other than that, I have no other resources. | 1:13:27 | 1:13:29 | |
I'm telling you how I'm trying to maintain this family. | 1:13:29 | 1:13:34 | |
When's the last time you heard from someone in the Bureau? | 1:13:34 | 1:13:37 | |
It's been a while. | 1:13:37 | 1:13:39 | |
Months. | 1:13:39 | 1:13:41 | |
I should have never, you know, even considered dealing with them. | 1:13:41 | 1:13:45 | |
You know what I mean? | 1:13:45 | 1:13:46 | |
I mean, it's... | 1:13:47 | 1:13:50 | |
It's chaotic. I don't have words for it at this moment. | 1:13:50 | 1:13:52 | |
I really don't. | 1:13:52 | 1:13:53 | |
I believe you caused what happened at Pittsburgh, | 1:13:53 | 1:13:56 | |
I'm getting all kinds of shit rolled down on me. | 1:13:56 | 1:13:59 | |
You know? | 1:13:59 | 1:14:01 | |
-But if Khalifah was arrested, wasn't Pittsburgh a success? -No. | 1:14:01 | 1:14:04 | |
Why not? | 1:14:04 | 1:14:05 | |
Because it was not what they wanted him for. | 1:14:05 | 1:14:09 | |
Rough life, man. Rough life. | 1:14:09 | 1:14:12 | |
Sometimes, I think I don't know if I made the right decision or what. | 1:14:12 | 1:14:15 | |
I guess I should really, really... | 1:14:27 | 1:14:31 | |
..hate him. | 1:14:33 | 1:14:35 | |
But you know why I don't? Because... | 1:14:35 | 1:14:38 | |
..the old folks say, "What you reap, you will sow." | 1:14:41 | 1:14:44 | |
And with all that he's done to my family | 1:14:45 | 1:14:49 | |
and somebody else's family, | 1:14:49 | 1:14:50 | |
he may be physically out of jail... | 1:14:50 | 1:14:54 | |
..but, mentally, he's not. | 1:14:56 | 1:14:58 | |
So I don't think that I would want to be in his place right now. | 1:15:00 | 1:15:04 | |
I got to get my shit together. I been so fucking depressed, man. | 1:15:14 | 1:15:17 | |
I've never been this way before. | 1:15:17 | 1:15:20 | |
I need to get a little more active, a little more involved with my child. | 1:15:23 | 1:15:29 | |
The correct way. | 1:15:30 | 1:15:32 | |
Starve or eat with him. | 1:15:34 | 1:15:37 | |
Six minutes. | 1:15:43 | 1:15:45 | |
Let's smoke a joint, man. | 1:15:46 | 1:15:48 | |
HE COUGHS AND SPLUTTERS | 1:15:51 | 1:15:55 | |
I blame this all on the government. | 1:16:00 | 1:16:02 | |
I'm trying to be a good fucking citizen. | 1:16:02 | 1:16:05 | |
And look what happens. | 1:16:07 | 1:16:09 | |
I'm a fucking Muslim and I can't even go to the mosque. | 1:16:11 | 1:16:14 | |
Ain't that a bitch? | 1:16:14 | 1:16:16 | |
Because of the fucking mosque I already infiltrated | 1:16:16 | 1:16:19 | |
and even been on the news and everything else. | 1:16:19 | 1:16:21 | |
And my name's up there, so how the fuck am I going to pray? | 1:16:21 | 1:16:25 | |
They're violating my constitutional rights now | 1:16:25 | 1:16:27 | |
and preventing me from going into the mosque because of my actions. | 1:16:27 | 1:16:32 | |
A guy that used to work out of the New York office, | 1:16:47 | 1:16:50 | |
he has something in the making. | 1:16:50 | 1:16:52 | |
He said, "Are you interested in an assignment?" | 1:16:52 | 1:16:55 | |
"Yes, I am." | 1:16:55 | 1:16:56 | |
"Would I be interested in going down there and doing some work?" | 1:16:56 | 1:17:00 | |
I said, "Yeah." | 1:17:00 | 1:17:01 | |
"I could use the money." | 1:17:01 | 1:17:03 | |
They're getting ready to make a case. | 1:17:05 | 1:17:08 | |
Where I fit in there, I don't know. You see what I'm saying? | 1:17:08 | 1:17:11 | |
So they must need my expertise, | 1:17:11 | 1:17:13 | |
because they always remember who they work with. | 1:17:13 | 1:17:15 | |
They say, "Oh, I'll call Saeed. | 1:17:15 | 1:17:17 | |
"Saeed, yeah, he's the man for this one." | 1:17:17 | 1:17:19 | |
To tell you the truth, | 1:17:19 | 1:17:21 | |
I got over five, six motherfucking convictions | 1:17:21 | 1:17:24 | |
that they dig out, they work on. | 1:17:24 | 1:17:26 | |
They work and they got it. | 1:17:26 | 1:17:27 | |
That's just another episode you have to wait for. | 1:17:27 | 1:17:30 | |
That's another part of the story, you see what I'm saying? | 1:17:30 | 1:17:32 | |
A real juicy part. | 1:17:32 | 1:17:34 | |
So this story is never ending. | 1:17:34 | 1:17:36 | |
# The Mississippi mud | 1:17:38 | 1:17:41 | |
# Is soaked in black blood | 1:17:41 | 1:17:45 | |
# How many more must die? | 1:17:45 | 1:17:47 | |
-TV REPORTERS: -In another terror case... | 1:17:47 | 1:17:49 | |
Two men under arrest in a terror plot. | 1:17:49 | 1:17:51 | |
Trying to detonate a car bomb. | 1:17:51 | 1:17:53 | |
1,000lbs worth of explosives. | 1:17:53 | 1:17:54 | |
Caught thanks to an FBI informant. | 1:17:54 | 1:17:57 | |
The plot was uncovered by an informant. | 1:18:03 | 1:18:05 | |
-Confidential informant that was involved. -But the bomb was a fake. | 1:18:05 | 1:18:09 | |
It was a sting. | 1:18:09 | 1:18:10 | |
The FBI set the whole thing up and enticed them with money and gifts. | 1:18:10 | 1:18:14 | |
# But we know something is wrong | 1:18:14 | 1:18:18 | |
# The Mississippi mud | 1:18:20 | 1:18:23 | |
# Is soaked in black blood | 1:18:23 | 1:18:27 | |
# How many more must die? | 1:18:27 | 1:18:33 | |
# My heart is singing a sad song | 1:18:33 | 1:18:39 | |
# Cos so many brothers are gone | 1:18:41 | 1:18:46 | |
# It's happened many times before | 1:18:48 | 1:18:54 | |
# Lord, Lord, how many more? | 1:18:55 | 1:19:01 | |
# The Mississippi mud | 1:19:02 | 1:19:05 | |
# Is soaked in black blood | 1:19:05 | 1:19:09 | |
# How many more must die? # | 1:19:09 | 1:19:15 |