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This programme contains very strong language.

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I said, "Don't come down here with no goddamn cameras and stuff."

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Hello? I told you I didn't want my face in this shit.

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Even if your face is showing, how is somebody going to come after you?

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You'd be surprised who knows me.

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-Everybody in Brooklyn knows me.

-But they don't know where you are.

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They know me in Harlem, too, they know my face.

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But they don't know where you are.

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I might not even make no independent film if motherfuckers come after me.

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You guys ready?

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CAMERA CLICKS

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CAMERA CLICKS

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# O'er the land of the free

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# And the home of the brave. #

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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HE SHOUTS ENCOURAGEMENT

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No!

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# This is how we do

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# This is how we do it

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# This is how we do

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# This is how we do it

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# This is how we do

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# This is how we do it... #

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Anybody want a hot dog? Two for one.

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INAUDIBLE

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'I don't like the word "informant".

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'I consider myself as a civilian operative.

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'The public are not supposed to know I work for them.

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'I don't exist. I'm a spook.

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'A ghost.'

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-So, what am I going to do with this one?

-I'm going to show you.

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Patience.

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Patience, little one, patience.

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-Cool.

-You're still a caterpillar. You're not a butterfly yet.

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Dude, you got to have that magic touch. See right there?

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See that right there?

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I'll take this side, you just take care of that part.

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Bring it over a little bit. There you go.

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MOBILE PHONE RINGS

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Yeah, what's up?

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Yeah. I got a gut feeling about this and, you know...

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Exactly.

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What happened with the FBI?

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They called me to do an assignment in Pittsburgh.

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Whatever the case may be.

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If they want me to do surveillance, I'm going to do it, you know.

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I need the money. I need the money.

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Shit...

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Let's go.

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'Whatever this case comes out, if it's worth 200,000,

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'I'm going to give it all to my son.

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'I kind of messed up last time.

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'I mismanaged all my money, at least over 200,000-300,000.

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'So if this is my second chance, I'm going to take advantage of it.'

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-What is the map on the wall?

-Why is the what?

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Why is the map on the wall?

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To find my locations around here.

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-Is there a significance to the red lines?

-Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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It's regarding the work I do.

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No, I won't give you the picture. I'm going to put him up on here.

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It'd be better for you cos I don't want to explain nothing to you.

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You got it? That's it. Don't ask no questions about who they are.

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I'm giving you something that you shouldn't be seeing anyway.

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You know something? I notice you're always getting fucking headshots.

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Didn't you say you wanted to do this project?

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Yeah, but don't you ever give it a break?

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I can see why no fucking celebrities don't like "passerazzi".

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-Are you not going to tell us anything?

-No.

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I mean, these are all targets that are in suspected areas.

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For some reason, they've got a big population of Muslims

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that come from the various countries over there that come to school here.

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Moroccans, Somalis, Iranians, Saudis...

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And then they all go back to where they came from.

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I don't have no feelings for them.

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You're making Islam look bad, you got to go.

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-RADIO:

-In a new book called The Terror Factory,

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Trevor Aaronson documents how the Federal Bureau of Investigation

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has built a vast network of informants since 9/11

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and how those new FBI tactics work

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within the delicate balance between civil liberties and domestic safety.

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You know, before 9/11,

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the FBI investigated crimes after they'd occurred

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and then, after 9/11, the mandate on the FBI was "never again".

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And so what they're trying to do now, unlike before, is stop crimes

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before they happen and these sting operations are how they do that.

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How many informants did they employ before 9/11?

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Under Hoover, during the Cointelpro days,

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the FBI had 1,500 informants

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and then, after 9/11, there was an explosion up to 15,000.

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Hasn't the FBI actually recruited criminals and conmen?

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Absolutely.

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The best informants are kind of the worst people.

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A federal court judge described informants to me as sociopaths

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because they require them to build these very close relationships

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and then betray them for personal means.

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PHONE VIBRATES

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PHONE VIBRATES

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They want to make a big bust

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CAMERA CLICKS and they want to bust this guy

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and whoever else are his associates regarding that.

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They just gave me this picture and said, "Look, this is the POI."

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-What is POI?

-Person of interest.

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His name is Khalifah.

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They suspect that he might be involved with individuals

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dealing with domestic terrorism.

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Right now, I would like to make this my last assignment.

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I want to spend the rest of my little bit of time with my son,

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not 800-something miles away.

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-Have you made contact with the POI?

-Yeah.

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I bumped into him by accident on my own.

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I just happened to be walking cos I was going to go to Goodwill.

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The bus stop is right there and I happened to see him

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and his wife so I walked over there and greeted them.

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The second time I met him with a brother named Jamil,

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Afrocentric shop, and, at that point, we exchanged numbers.

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He gave me his card, which contained his e-mail, his website

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and the things that he do.

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-The Shabaan teaching something.

-What does as-Shabaab mean in Arabic?

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It's supposed to be "students".

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-CHANTING:

-Allahu Akbar!

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But in Somali, the word "shabaab" is linked to a terrorist group.

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He wasn't Muslim all the time. He was a thug.

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Always fighting with the police. He did time.

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Does he think you're new to Pittsburgh?

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He knows I'm new to Pittsburgh.

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Why does he think you're here?

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To do work for Red Cross, search and rescue.

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Do you know how this guy first came to their attention?

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The way I see him running around here now,

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it would make any motherfucker suspicious.

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He's walking around looking like a Taliban.

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My name is Khalifah al-Akili and I am from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,

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United States of America.

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The belly of the beast.

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HE SPEAKS IN ARABIC

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His whole concept was about the government.

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He didn't like the government. "Why must we never forget 9/11?

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"People are killed, murdered or die every single day."

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So, he has a hatred towards the government.

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He doesn't really go out and speak in public about that.

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He does it on Facebook.

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PHONE VIBRATES

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PHONE VIBRATES

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-The target lives right around the corner from you?

-That's right.

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Most of the time, this is how you get close to the target.

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If you can get in the same apartment, same apartment building,

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two or three blocks' proximity.

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The agent said it's time to go.

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He's going to be here, he's going to be there,

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cos it's obvious they're tapping his phones.

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These agents here is a little slow.

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They're not used to dealing with

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so-called domestic terrorist individuals.

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It ain't like New York.

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PHONE VIBRATES

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I really want to get into a bakery.

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That's what I really want to do.

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I want to specialise in custom cupcakes.

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Open it with someone who's a master baker, I'll be his apprentice.

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Sweet cupcakes!

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How was your meeting with the agents?

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The meeting was somewhat brief and, you know,

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it's to gather information, gather intel.

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You know, in the interests of national security,

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then I shall oblige

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by gathering that information and taking it to my superiors...

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who, at this time, will be paying me some money.

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What is the character that you're playing with Khalifah?

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I'm not playing no character. I'm playing who I am.

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You know, a Muslim brother

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who is involved with the Black Panther Party.

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That - that image there.

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# Black is beautiful... #

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Say "power to the people".

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-CROWD:

-Power to the people!

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Say "off the pigs".

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-CROWD:

-Off the pigs!

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I joined the Black Panther Party, if I remember correctly,

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during the springtime, yeah, of 1967.

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At that time, I was a little fly kid, wearing fly clothes.

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-# Revolution has come

-Off the pigs! #

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I was looking for a pack,

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you always look to be part of a group or family or fraternity.

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We are organising our community - politically educating them,

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telling them exactly what is going on, not only here in America...

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I was interested in what they were saying.

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What the government can't supply,

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then we take upon ourselves to give to the people.

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We're going to walk on this racist power structure and we're going

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to say to the whole damn government, "Stick 'em up, motherfucker!

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"This is a hold-up! We've come for what's ours."

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FBI Director J Edgar Hoover today asserted that,

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of the black extremist groups, the Black Panthers represent

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the greatest internal threat to the nation.

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This memo apparently went out to 37 agents.

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It ordered them to find informers in the black ghettoes.

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It was a command, not a suggestion.

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The documents describe things like Cointelpro,

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the FBI's programme to disrupt political extremists.

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The FBI had the organisation under surveillance.

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There had been efforts to get people inside our meetings.

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-Were you an informant during the Panther days?

-No.

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What did the party say about informants?

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They'd kill them.

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PHONE VIBRATES

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PHONE VIBRATES

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-Are all of your POIs Muslim?

-Yes, all the POIs are Muslims.

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-Why do you think that is?

-I don't know what makes them Muslims.

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I took my shahada in the early '70s.

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It's a very practical religion,

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but there are certain things you have to maintain, you know.

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Help one another, virtue is in piety.

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PHONE VIBRATES

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At this point now, I am struggling with my faith.

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Not because I don't believe in Allah -

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things didn't go my way as I may have planned it to be.

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There's times I've been strong and there's times I've been weak.

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PHONE VIBRATES

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CALL TO PRAYER IN ARABIC

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'There ain't too many Muslims in this whole area likes this dude.

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'They don't cos he starts trouble.

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'One imam had to call the police on him to get him

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'out the fucking mosque cos he kept running off at the mouth.'

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He up and turned round and told the imam,

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"You're going to remember this."

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PHONE VIBRATES

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PHONE VIBRATES

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How do you go about getting someone to talk about jihad?

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You don't do it that way, you just talk about Islam.

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You don't do that on the first day you meet,

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you don't do it on the first week. It might take you two or three weeks.

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You feel the individual out. You see if he's got grudges.

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You find out how he became Muslim, why he wanted to become Muslim.

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PHONE VIBRATES

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PHONE VIBRATES

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PHONE VIBRATES

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PHONE VIBRATES

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PHONE RINGS

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Yo, what's up?

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'You just don't run into a community

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'and expect to get results within a matter of four or six months.

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'I don't have bay'ah to this mosque

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'and I don't have bay'ah to the imam either.

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'For most people, you have bay'ah to the imam.

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'That way, you can move around with them. I don't have it.

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'Even with this kid, I have to wait

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'until he opens up to say something just to find a way to get in there.'

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Exactly. All right, later.

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Some of my other places, as individuals, we have a lot in common.

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Even though this guy's a Muslim and I'm Muslim, that's as far it go.

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He and I have nothing in common at all.

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Music-wise, politics, culture - none of it.

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You said that the POI sells books. What kind of books does he sell?

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CAMERA CLICKS

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He showed me in his library books on guerrilla warfare and all that.

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The United States Army Ranger Handbook,

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of dealing with explosives,

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CAMERA CLICKS revolutionary Islamic literature,

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how to train jihadists, you know, how to fight.

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I said, "Have you ever been in a war? You ever been in the military?" "No."

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"Then how the hell do you know anything about guerrilla warfare?

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"Why do you have it there, just for show? Trying to impress people?"

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-So, who set up your Facebook account?

-The FBI.

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Don't fuck with this shit.

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They're the ones pushing me to do this.

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-That'll do for now.

-They should have gave you a class.

-What class?

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These fuckers don't know nothing,

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all they want to do is just try to make a fucking arrest.

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Who the hell's this girl Victoria Carr, she wants to be my friend?

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"I may know you from so and so." You don't know me.

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Let me see how much I know you.

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Ohhh!

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She wants to be MY friend. Oohhhh!

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The POI, I just sent him a request cos he didn't want to answer before.

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How do I go out on this shit?

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-Have you ever gone on a target that was a friend?

-Yeah, yeah, Shah.

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-Shah was my friend.

-Was he a friend before...

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He was my friend, yes, he was my friend. Yes, he was.

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-Was he a friend before...

-Yes, he was my friend.

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When you asked the question three times, I done told you.

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Yes, he was my friend prior to him being investigated.

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CAMERA CLICKS

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In the Shah case, you're dealing with home-grown African-American Muslims.

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His father was Captain Joseph Shah,

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who was a lieutenant with Malcolm X.

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A Florida physician and a self-described martial arts expert

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from New York are under arrest tonight,

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charged with plotting to train terrorists for al-Qaeda.

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The government says it has the pair on audio tapes swearing a bay'ah,

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an oath of allegiance to Osama Bin Laden.

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The complaint alleges Shah did most of the talking

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to a government informant wearing a wire.

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I tried to give him warning, tried to tell him certain things

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and leave things alone.

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He might have felt that he was untouchable.

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HE SCOFFS

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Prosecutors contend that Shah told a government informer

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that his work as a jazz musician was "the greatest cover".

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-CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

-Tarik Shah!

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Shah was introduced to me by an agent while Shah was doing a gig.

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I went for bass lessons three times a week in his house.

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That was my front.

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And, of course, me learning these bass lessons, I'm talking with him.

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My pitch was that he could make some money

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if he makes some alliance with al-Qaeda

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and they're looking for certain individuals such as himself

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and they'd be willing to pay you for your time, you know.

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So when I fed him that line, that's when he went at it.

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It was like a bait. Threw the hook out there, he bit into it.

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This is Tarik and I at my birthday party.

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I forget, I was either 50 or 51.

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They had given me a birthday party with a stripper.

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But we will not take pictures of the stripper.

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'Tarik mentioned that he was giving this person bass lessons

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'and I didn't even know his name

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'so then when he said this particular person

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'needed a place to stay'

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and would I be willing to rent him the apartment downstairs,

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I said to Tarik, "Well, I don't know this person,"

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so he said, "Ma, I can vouch for him."

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I said, "Are you sure?"

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You know, he's doing pretty good.

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You know, as well as can be expected under the conditions.

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For ten years, we've been suffering quietly.

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They send informants into our community, we stay quiet,

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we stay afraid and that only makes their job easier.

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The longer we stay quiet,

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the more dangerous it is for our children and our future generations.

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And so this campaign will be mobilising people

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in Muslim communities, black communities, immigrant communities,

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civil rights communities, everybody together to fight the use

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of these informants and surveillance.

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I think Tarik is so hurt because he liked the brother

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and he trusted the brother.

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Tarik is such a believer in Islam

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and I think he feels that Allah will deal with him.

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Yeah, yeah. That's right.

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Come on. You want that snow? Come on, come on.

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Heel up, heel up, heel, here. Heel up.

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Stop it, don't do that.

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You make her nervous.

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She ain't going to do nothing to you.

0:28:490:28:51

Hey! Hey! She done tore your coat, you see?

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Yeah, don't run after her and let her play like that cos... Hey!

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Her teeth are sharp. So you've got to tell your momma... Wow!

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She ain't going to be mad?

0:29:030:29:05

-Previously on Homeland...

-She wants out.

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She asked for 5 million and a flight to Detroit.

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This is not some set-up, it's real.

0:29:220:29:24

An informant, married for years to a Hezbollah commander,

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turns up out of the blue...

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I thought we'd better meet her sooner rather than later.

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We were supposed to meet her together

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so you could talk to her and I could assess her reliability.

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Meaning you don't trust my judgment?

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Meaning the entire point of the protocol

0:29:390:29:41

was to keep your judgment out of it.

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Carrie?

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We're going to have to get back to you.

0:29:460:29:50

Saul, she seem critical to you?

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I'm not really in a position to say.

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How exactly did they train you to kind of prepare?

0:29:550:29:58

They didn't train me for nothing. It's how I use the language.

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If they trained me, I would never get what I wanted to get

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because they're strictly textbook.

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There's a difference between telling somebody and making a suggestion.

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It's entrapment if I go and tell him, "Yo, come on, let's go rob a bank",

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and you know that was not his intention.

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That was my intentions, so I'm entrapping him.

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I don't make the suggestions.

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I may go to him and say, "Man, there's a lot of money in there, boy.

0:30:240:30:28

"See them dropping off all that damn money?"

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And he feeds into it, and he go, "Shit, I sure like to take that."

0:30:310:30:34

What about your current target?

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Are your handlers trying to suggest that you...?

0:30:350:30:37

I don't suggest anything.

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I wait till, as we speak and we get to know each other,

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what we speak about.

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So when he brought up camping,

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that was my key opening right there, the door opened up for me

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to make a suggestion there.

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I say, "That's cool, man. We can all go camping."

0:30:520:30:54

I say, you know, "Why don't we just go a little further?"

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"We could train, man, like we do in the military."

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I said, "Brother, you want to go and fight for the Muslim state?"

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He said, "I got to consult my sheikh."

0:31:080:31:11

I said, "See, that's what's wrong with you, brother.

0:31:110:31:13

"You brothers always talk that jihad stuff

0:31:130:31:16

"but when somebody give you the opportunity to make a move

0:31:160:31:18

"to fight for the Islam, you're not going to fight for the Islam,

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"y'all talk that talk but you won't walk the walk."

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EXPLOSION

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He's not really a good Muslim.

0:31:280:31:30

We're going to get some coffee.

0:31:320:31:35

That motherfucker stole the coffee grinding machine,

0:31:350:31:38

he stole the coffee urn,

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and I told him straight up after he'd done,

0:31:400:31:42

like, his fourth stealing, and I said, "Yo, man,

0:31:420:31:45

"did you consult your sheikh and your imam when you steal all that stuff?"

0:31:450:31:49

I ain't got to wear no kufi.

0:31:520:31:53

I ain't got to wear no keffiyeh.

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I ain't got to wear a goddamn thing to say I'm Muslim.

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God said that shit already been established way before we was born.

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SINGING IN ARABIC

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What drew me to the Islam was more of that militant aspect.

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Not a jihadist but more of a stand-up, take no bullshit.

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Brothers and sisters,

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you must be abreast of what is happening all over the world.

0:32:310:32:35

You must read.

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Your first reading is for Anne and Sunnah.

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Nice community. Nice community of brothers, man, you know what I mean?

0:32:390:32:43

Some of them used to be Panthers and some used to be New African,

0:32:450:32:48

you know, brothers.

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Imam Siraj, me and him used to sit down and talk.

0:32:510:32:54

We were good friends.

0:32:550:32:57

All the brothers were good friends. We all tight.

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It's just that inner circle.

0:32:590:33:01

There's the inner circle and the outer circle.

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I was part of the security council.

0:33:040:33:06

Crack at the Demigoza. It was bad, man, it was really bad.

0:33:100:33:13

We was cleaning up the neighbourhood, we was cleaning up the drug dealers.

0:33:150:33:18

-RADIO:

-Um, suspicious-looking people...

0:33:180:33:21

I provide them intel on where all the drug dealers would be at.

0:33:210:33:24

I was an asset to the community.

0:33:260:33:28

I loved it.

0:33:280:33:30

I loved it.

0:33:300:33:32

THEY SHOUT

0:33:450:33:49

Good. Next!

0:33:490:33:50

All right. Good.

0:33:500:33:52

That's what I want to see. Keep going. Ready?

0:33:520:33:54

THEY SHOUT

0:33:540:33:57

When I first met Saeed, it was around the time that we were

0:33:570:33:59

dealing with the drug problem here in the neighbourhood.

0:33:590:34:03

We had a very good impression of him.

0:34:030:34:05

You know, he was very much involved.

0:34:050:34:07

He was knowledgeable about certain things.

0:34:070:34:10

He has a very pleasant personality. He's very intelligent.

0:34:110:34:14

Very intelligent.

0:34:140:34:16

What do you think your reputation at the mosque is now?

0:34:160:34:18

Oh, man, it's probably all, "I'm going to kill that motherfucker,

0:34:180:34:21

"don't want to see him, going to put a bullet hole in that boy."

0:34:210:34:24

I...

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broke a solemn oath against another Muslim.

0:34:260:34:29

They don't give a shit if the other Muslim's bad or not.

0:34:290:34:32

He's a Muslim.

0:34:320:34:34

Did you know Tarik Shah?

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Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, he was part of this community too.

0:34:410:34:44

His family, I mean. Beautiful brother.

0:34:440:34:46

-TV:

-At yesterday's arraignment,

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an upbeat but shackled Shah greeted the packed court gallery of

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supporters and press with the Arabic greeting, "May peace be upon you."

0:34:510:34:55

Out of all the cases I worked on,

0:34:560:34:58

that was the only one that called me to testify.

0:34:580:35:00

And I worked on more than eight goddamn cases.

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A whole bunch of them come up from mosque who knows me.

0:35:080:35:12

They couldn't believe it. They said, "Oh, man. That's Saeed. No..."

0:35:120:35:15

"He's been with us too long."

0:35:150:35:17

He saw us, but he would not look in our direction.

0:35:190:35:23

He saw us, you know?

0:35:230:35:24

'I don't know what's in a man's heart,

0:35:240:35:27

'but how could you not feel guilty?'

0:35:270:35:30

Imam Siraj put a fatwa out on me, OK?

0:35:300:35:32

And I'm not going into any details about how the words was

0:35:320:35:35

pronounced, how he put it in there. He put a fatwa out.

0:35:350:35:37

Now, y'all are journalists. Y'all know what a fatwa is.

0:35:370:35:40

I ain't going to tell you exactly what words he used cos

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I don't know exactly what words.

0:35:420:35:44

I'm getting it from people I know who already told me.

0:35:440:35:47

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One thing about the government, the government will use you

0:36:530:36:56

and they will drop your ass like a hot motherfucking stone.

0:36:560:37:00

And don't be a motherfucking convict

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or they really get over on you then.

0:37:040:37:06

I spent all my money this week, man. Ain't that a bitch?

0:37:110:37:14

That's 11.

0:37:170:37:19

This is all I got, man.

0:37:210:37:22

Would you consider this full-time work?

0:37:220:37:24

They consider it full-time. I don't see no full-time money.

0:37:240:37:28

What would you say your services are worth?

0:37:280:37:30

My services need to be at least over 3,500.

0:37:300:37:34

What are you basing that rate on?

0:37:340:37:35

I'm basing it on my investigation techniques.

0:37:350:37:38

Infiltrating some radical fucking group

0:37:380:37:41

that they're not even sure about.

0:37:410:37:43

Now, the only way I could push their fucking wig back is

0:37:430:37:46

unless I just tell them I'm out of here.

0:37:460:37:48

Cos I'm not going to bust my ass.

0:37:480:37:50

You got me waking up at 5 o'clock in the fucking morning

0:37:500:37:52

chasing a fucking ghost.

0:37:520:37:53

-Answer the phone,

-BLEEP!

0:38:000:38:03

Hello.

0:38:030:38:05

-Hey,

-BLEEP,

-I see you. You see me?

0:38:050:38:08

Yeah.

0:38:080:38:09

Oh, OK.

0:38:090:38:11

Look at him.

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INAUDIBLE

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Just like his daddy.

0:38:170:38:19

His teeth fell out?

0:38:190:38:21

Yes.

0:38:210:38:22

Oh, it's growing back, though, right?

0:38:220:38:25

Yeah.

0:38:250:38:27

OK.

0:38:270:38:28

I love you!

0:38:290:38:31

Living this type of life, man, you lose out on a lot of shit, man.

0:38:390:38:44

Family life....

0:38:440:38:46

..your social life.

0:38:470:38:48

Do you think your present right now is in any way related to your past?

0:39:040:39:07

What I done in the past, I don't even like to bring it back up.

0:39:070:39:10

I really don't.

0:39:100:39:12

You know, even if you try to bounce back,

0:39:140:39:16

even to make amends for the things you may have done.

0:39:160:39:19

Got to deal with it, man. Got to deal with it.

0:39:240:39:27

Got to deal with it.

0:39:270:39:29

I was a revolutionary. Revolutionary activist,

0:39:350:39:38

like Robin Hood.

0:39:380:39:40

I was with a certain crew that was, uh,

0:39:430:39:46

setting up certain institutions to be appropriated for our cause.

0:39:460:39:51

Postal Service,

0:39:530:39:55

banks,

0:39:550:39:57

New York City Transit.

0:39:570:39:58

So all we do is just ex-appropriate it back to other people, the masses.

0:40:010:40:05

We used to drop off a few money and stuff at the mosque, you know?

0:40:130:40:19

Wouldn't tell nobody where we got it from, you know what I mean?

0:40:190:40:23

I hung out with a lot of transit cops, court officers and all that.

0:40:230:40:28

I did that for the purpose of them assuming that I was one of them.

0:40:280:40:32

Then all my shit just crumbled down and I got...

0:40:340:40:37

I got caught out in the end and got arrested.

0:40:370:40:40

Yeah, I was charged with grand larceny,

0:40:410:40:44

impersonation of a New York City Transit cop,

0:40:440:40:47

and possession of weapons.

0:40:470:40:50

When were you first approached by the FBI?

0:40:510:40:54

Oh, I was approached, man, when I was arrested.

0:40:540:40:56

So the guy's, "OK, we tell you what.

0:40:560:40:59

"Here's our card.

0:40:590:41:03

"You need something, you let us know. Now, you want to make a deal?

0:41:030:41:06

"You facing 20 years right now as it is."

0:41:060:41:09

And I said, "Damn, 20 fucking years in the fed."

0:41:090:41:12

So I said, "Fuck it."

0:41:120:41:15

I called them in.

0:41:150:41:17

Said, "Yeah, what do you want to speak on, man?"

0:41:170:41:20

SIRENS BLARE

0:41:200:41:23

After the World Trade Center, they felt that certain Muslim

0:41:250:41:28

communities, domestically, was involved.

0:41:280:41:31

I happened to know the blind sheikh that was part of the security detail.

0:41:320:41:36

So they felt that I knew the routine, which I didn't, really.

0:41:360:41:40

So how often would they come and ask you for intelligence?

0:41:450:41:48

Oh, it'd be, like, three times a week.

0:41:480:41:50

So I was their boy all the way until the time I came out.

0:41:500:41:53

After 9/11, I got a call. They said, "Look, come by and talk."

0:42:270:42:31

I said, "OK."

0:42:310:42:33

I opened the door and he came in. He had another agent with him.

0:42:330:42:36

They asked me to come with them full-time.

0:42:390:42:41

They just wanted to recruit me and shit, get me signed up and say,

0:42:430:42:46

"Welcome aboard," you know?

0:42:460:42:48

This was clandestine shit, you know?

0:42:480:42:51

Covert operation bullshit, you know? It exists.

0:42:510:42:54

You know what I mean?

0:42:540:42:56

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Truthfully speaking, y'all got him thinking that he's, like,

0:43:380:43:42

the top-notch terrorist around here.

0:43:420:43:44

That he just can't be touched, he's untouchable.

0:43:440:43:47

But in reality, he ain't nothing. He ain't going nowhere.

0:43:470:43:51

I never been around a target that steals petty.

0:43:510:43:54

I mean, being a Muslim at that.

0:43:540:43:56

That's not acceptable. I mean, that's petty.

0:43:560:43:59

OK. All right. Bye.

0:44:010:44:03

I'm not feeling this, man.

0:44:050:44:07

This is the first time I ever felt like this.

0:44:070:44:10

As long as I've been doing this work, I never felt this.

0:44:100:44:13

So your instinct says this one just isn't right?

0:44:130:44:16

Not right that he'd do me bodily harm but because he's unpredictable.

0:44:160:44:20

He ain't the brightest.

0:44:210:44:23

But he ain't the dumbest, either.

0:44:230:44:25

-All right. You ready?

-Yeah.

0:44:580:45:00

My name is Khalifah Al-Akili,

0:45:010:45:05

from Pittsburgh.

0:45:050:45:07

In 1991, I accepted Islam, took shahada.

0:45:070:45:11

What was the religion that you were born into?

0:45:120:45:15

Well, we're all born Muslim, but I was raised protestant.

0:45:150:45:20

Islam teaches us how to rectify our inner self,

0:45:230:45:28

which the Prophet Muhammad

0:45:280:45:30

said is the greatest jihad.

0:45:300:45:32

The word "jihad", it simply means struggle.

0:45:320:45:34

And the greatest jihad that every believer, man and woman, will

0:45:340:45:37

go through is that inner struggle against our lower, bestial desires.

0:45:370:45:43

The more things that we do as Muslims, the more

0:45:430:45:46

of a closer relationship that we can have with our creator.

0:45:460:45:49

Turn this up...

0:45:550:45:56

VOICEMAIL: Uh, just let me know cos I

0:46:020:46:04

text you and you never replied to the text.

0:46:040:46:07

I don't know if you're sleeping or what.

0:46:070:46:09

But if you get this message, give me a call, please.

0:46:090:46:11

Insha'Allah.

0:46:110:46:14

He was always talking about the cause,

0:46:220:46:24

the cause, the cause, you know?

0:46:240:46:26

And, you know, some guys pray, other guys fight.

0:46:260:46:28

ASA, which means as-salamu alaikum, Brother K, check this movie,

0:46:280:46:32

it's a series called Homeland.

0:46:320:46:34

About terrorists, right?

0:46:340:46:36

Which I actually did and I actually enjoyed it, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:46:360:46:41

But, yeah, but it was like it was to help him talk about that topic.

0:46:410:46:46

I was coming back from the store and...

0:46:490:46:51

Shariff's truck came around the corner, so I waved at him,

0:46:510:46:55

and he stops the truck and the passenger side opens up...

0:46:550:46:59

They bum-rushed it.

0:47:010:47:02

The bureau brings in another CHS.

0:47:040:47:07

What's a CHS?

0:47:070:47:08

It's a confidential human source.

0:47:080:47:11

And then he turns out to be Muhammad.

0:47:110:47:13

All I was supposed to do was introduce him to Khalifah,

0:47:160:47:19

and just let him know, I have an individual Muslim coming in.

0:47:190:47:22

He's a recruiter for the Taliban, or he's a recruiter for the al-Qaeda.

0:47:220:47:26

You know, he's a good brother, you know? Maybe y'all should meet.

0:47:260:47:30

Short and simple.

0:47:300:47:32

Before I could even introduce the fucking dude to the fucking POI,

0:47:320:47:35

this motherfucker was jumping out my car ready just to meet him.

0:47:350:47:39

I'm like, "What the fuck?"

0:47:390:47:41

That guy got out and he came up to me

0:47:410:47:44

and gave me the greeting of "as-salamu alaikum",

0:47:440:47:47

kissed me on both cheeks and I swear to you,

0:47:470:47:50

when I walked away from that situation,

0:47:500:47:52

I walked away feeling like I'd just played a part in some

0:47:520:47:55

Hollywood terrorist movie,

0:47:550:47:56

like I'd just met the leader of some terrorist organisation.

0:47:560:48:01

Actually, right there on the spot, he wanted to go have some coffee

0:48:010:48:04

or sit down with me and I told him, "No," you know?

0:48:040:48:08

"I still have to go visit my mother and I'm actually on my way

0:48:080:48:11

"there, getting ready to catch the bus to go there."

0:48:110:48:13

I walked away. He got back in the truck.

0:48:130:48:16

They still wanted me to proceed.

0:48:160:48:18

I told them, "Man, I don't feel right going into that man's house, man."

0:48:190:48:23

Enquiring, "What's up?" You know,

0:48:230:48:26

and he just finished telling me that more than 20 minutes ago.

0:48:260:48:29

He was at his mother's house.

0:48:290:48:31

"Oh, tell them that Muhammad got a card for his mother,"

0:48:320:48:35

and everything going to be all right,

0:48:350:48:38

so, "We didn't realise you were there,

0:48:380:48:40

"we just heard some noise so we knocked."

0:48:400:48:43

So I said, "Really?

0:48:430:48:45

"Really? That sounds real deep undercover, huh?

0:48:450:48:48

"Real deep."

0:48:480:48:50

I said, "I'm not going to feel too comfortable with that,

0:48:500:48:52

"but I'm going to do it anyway, but I'm letting y'all know,

0:48:520:48:55

"when you fuck up, don't come at me and say it was my fault.

0:48:550:48:59

"I ain't hearing it."

0:48:590:49:00

Next thing I know, he was at the front door.

0:49:020:49:05

He hit a code on the keypad at the entrance to

0:49:050:49:08

come into the building and I had it set up to ring to my cellphone.

0:49:080:49:12

Now, I've never had any visitors just pop up at my apartment

0:49:130:49:17

unannounced so I answered it and...

0:49:170:49:20

I was like, "Khalifah, it's me, Shariff."

0:49:200:49:22

He said, "Who? Who? Who? Who?"

0:49:220:49:25

It was Shariff.

0:49:250:49:26

Shariff was saying, "Oh, I'm here with Muhammad and we figured that

0:49:260:49:29

"we'd come and see you and sit down with you, spend some time."

0:49:290:49:34

I said, "Well, I'm not at home." I lied and said, "I'm not at home."

0:49:340:49:38

It was so clear that I didn't want to meet these guys.

0:49:400:49:43

Like, seriously, like,

0:49:430:49:44

I literally made up excuse after excuse after excuse.

0:49:440:49:47

The next morning, I walked up here to the corner.

0:49:500:49:53

And that's when, you know,

0:49:530:49:55

quote-unquote Muhammad came from around the corner.

0:49:550:49:58

You know, just appeared out of nowhere.

0:49:580:50:00

You know, he had his hotel downtown Pittsburgh

0:50:000:50:03

and yet he was here in Wilkinsburg

0:50:030:50:06

at 9.30 in the morning without no car, no vehicle.

0:50:060:50:09

He just so happened to have that card for my mother on him.

0:50:090:50:13

I reluctantly agreed to go to McDonald's

0:50:160:50:18

and, you know, have some coffee with him.

0:50:180:50:21

The morning that we all came in here,

0:50:260:50:30

we actually sat at this first booth right here

0:50:300:50:33

and that's whenever he began to talk about

0:50:330:50:35

his people being involved in jihad and whatnot and fighting.

0:50:350:50:39

This was the location that we sat down and had the coffee with him.

0:50:390:50:43

So we exchanged numbers and actually that morning, he drove me home.

0:50:430:50:47

After that, I didn't hear anything from him.

0:50:470:50:49

Taliban?

0:50:520:50:53

-You know what that means - Taliban?

-Not a damn thing.

0:50:530:50:56

Oh, yeah? It means student.

0:50:560:50:58

-Student of knowledge.

-OK.

0:50:580:50:59

Ain't nothing wrong with them, brother.

0:50:590:51:01

-Well, I ain't said nothing wrong with them.

-OK.

0:51:010:51:04

The wearing of the turban has been in existence thousands of years

0:51:040:51:07

before the Taliban was even formulated

0:51:070:51:09

in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

0:51:090:51:11

-Oh, OK.

-Yeah, my father's a Muslim.

0:51:110:51:14

Actually, Allah's just the Arabic name for God.

0:51:150:51:17

Christians and Jews that speak Arabic...

0:51:170:51:19

PHONE VIBRATES

0:51:240:51:25

PHONE VIBRATES

0:51:280:51:30

It's like my third time.

0:51:440:51:46

"You can no longer message..."

0:51:470:51:49

So he said, "All right, you can no longer..."

0:51:490:51:52

So that means he doesn't want to correspond with me.

0:51:540:51:57

See, these motherfuckers, they fucked up.

0:51:570:52:01

Watch this. I'm going to call these motherfuckers and let them know.

0:52:010:52:05

Yo, Jay.

0:52:080:52:09

I don't know what's going on. He didn't block me for the knife.

0:52:090:52:13

He knew that was me.

0:52:130:52:14

All right, OK.

0:52:180:52:20

All right, later.

0:52:200:52:22

You know, they fucked up there.

0:52:240:52:26

I'm not even going to deal with that.

0:52:260:52:28

Let them deal with the headaches.

0:52:280:52:30

PHONE VIBRATES

0:52:300:52:32

PHONE VIBRATES

0:52:410:52:43

DOG WHINES

0:53:120:53:13

Shut up!

0:53:130:53:15

Fucking piss me off today with your bullshit!

0:53:150:53:19

I mean, I could have set him up. Just take a fucking handgun

0:53:200:53:23

and just put it somewhere and say, "Yo, you all, I'm calling the locals,

0:53:230:53:26

"have the locals grab you right now."

0:53:260:53:28

Boom, he got a gun. And, yeah, it's all over with.

0:53:280:53:30

But they don't want to do it that way.

0:53:300:53:33

And I told them, I said, "I'm not here to entrap nobody."

0:53:330:53:35

They're trying to make me force this dude

0:53:350:53:39

into saying something...

0:53:390:53:42

to support terrorism.

0:53:420:53:44

I said, "The dude is not a fucking terrorist, man.

0:53:440:53:48

"He's not even a pseudo-terrorist.

0:53:480:53:50

"He's nothing but an oxymoron."

0:53:500:53:53

I said, "What you all been doing for the last three years?

0:53:530:53:56

"You all just seeing nothing.

0:53:560:53:57

"If you all ain't seeing, what do you all expect me to see?"

0:53:570:54:00

PHONE VIBRATES

0:54:000:54:01

DOORBELL RINGS

0:54:130:54:14

Fuck.

0:54:140:54:15

Fuck, man.

0:54:150:54:17

You rang my bell?

0:54:290:54:31

-Huh?

-Sorry.

0:54:310:54:33

-Happy birthday.

-Thank you.

0:54:330:54:35

-Thank you.

-I'm going to get you something next month, OK?

0:54:370:54:40

-OK.

-All right?

-Yeah.

0:54:400:54:42

All right, tell your momma I said hello.

0:54:420:54:45

Hm...

0:54:480:54:50

Nobody rings my bell.

0:54:500:54:51

I don't expect it. I don't have company here.

0:54:510:54:55

When that bell rings, I'm on my p's and q's.

0:54:550:54:58

And believe it or not,

0:54:580:55:01

if I think you're a threat to me,

0:55:010:55:03

I will liquidate you with extreme prejudice.

0:55:030:55:06

HE COUGHS AND SPLUTTERS

0:55:080:55:12

MOBILE PHONE RINGS

0:55:190:55:22

I honestly believe that that incident with that guy,

0:55:240:55:28

that that agent brought up,

0:55:280:55:31

if he hadn't have did what he did,

0:55:310:55:33

believe me, this thing could have weighed a little further. Right.

0:55:330:55:36

Yeah, he sensed things.

0:55:360:55:38

So I shouldn't have to wait for him, even if it came to exposing me.

0:55:380:55:42

And I don't want to be put in that situation.

0:55:420:55:45

So I definitely have to stay under the radar to a certain extent.

0:55:450:55:49

But that dude ain't going to bust a grape.

0:55:490:55:53

He ain't going to throw rice at a wedding, believe me. You know?

0:55:530:55:56

He's just, you know...

0:55:560:55:58

Eventually, y'all may get him on something else.

0:55:580:56:01

Maybe tax fraud.

0:56:010:56:03

Crossing state lines.

0:56:030:56:06

You know?

0:56:060:56:07

But I think it's just the Bureau's

0:56:070:56:08

going to have to take a different approach at him.

0:56:080:56:11

It may have to go at him hardcore

0:56:110:56:13

and just get him for the hell of it, you know what I mean?

0:56:130:56:15

Black ball trick.

0:56:150:56:17

OK. All right.

0:56:200:56:22

I'll talk to you later, then. All right. Later.

0:56:220:56:24

And I'm out of here.

0:56:250:56:27

Right now, I'm looking at a projection of me

0:56:280:56:30

being with my fucking son.

0:56:300:56:32

Shariff left me alone in his truck.

0:56:380:56:40

And when he did that,

0:56:400:56:41

there was a letter sitting on the dashboard from the welfare office.

0:56:410:56:45

So I picked it up and I snapped a picture of it,

0:56:450:56:47

because I knew he was FBI.

0:56:470:56:49

I wanted to know who this guy was.

0:56:490:56:51

And his real name is Saeed S Torres.

0:56:510:56:53

Come on, Sheba.

0:56:590:57:01

Come on.

0:57:010:57:02

This was a guy who used to e-mail me all the time.

0:57:020:57:06

Call me, you know, "Let's go out for coffee. I'll pick you up."

0:57:060:57:10

But a lot of that slowed down dramatically

0:57:100:57:14

after he'd introduced me to this "Mohammed".

0:57:140:57:18

I put his phone number into Google.

0:57:180:57:21

Anyone should be wanted for the things they do.

0:57:280:57:31

That's him.

0:57:310:57:32

..by Allah or the organisation that does these things.

0:57:320:57:35

Mohammed, he was an informer for the FBI.

0:57:370:57:40

And his real name is Shahed Hussain.

0:57:400:57:43

I felt that I was almost obligated to expose these guys.

0:57:430:57:46

Sheba, Sheba, Sheba, go, go, please.

0:57:460:57:49

I sent out an e-mail, very blatantly,

0:57:490:57:51

with the subject, "FBI informers".

0:57:510:57:54

There's hundreds of people on this e-mail list.

0:57:540:57:57

I told anybody,

0:57:570:57:58

if anybody wants to question me about this, they can do so.

0:57:580:58:02

Shariff, he's gone.

0:58:050:58:07

He's moved out completely, like out of the clear blue.

0:58:070:58:09

PHONE RINGS

0:58:210:58:23

Hello?

0:58:230:58:24

Yes. Khalifah, how are you? This is Steve Downs.

0:58:240:58:28

Good. I'm very good.

0:58:280:58:29

And I just wanted to make sure you understand that some people

0:58:290:58:32

may be listening in on this line, though. The FBI.

0:58:320:58:35

OK.

0:58:360:58:38

So, anyway, I just wanted to go over your statement.

0:58:380:58:43

You first met Shariff in September, October of 2011.

0:58:430:58:47

Yes. Somewhere around that time.

0:58:470:58:49

Mm-hm.

0:58:490:58:50

'Khalifah found out about our group Project SALAM on the internet

0:58:500:58:53

'and sent us this e-mail.

0:58:530:58:55

'What really was striking about this e-mail

0:58:550:58:58

'was that it was so detailed and so specific

0:58:580:59:00

'and that, through a series of googles and telephones and stuff,'

0:59:000:59:04

he had so cleverly caught the FBI trying to catch him.

0:59:040:59:08

I've never seen a case quite like that.

0:59:080:59:11

I just wanted to...

0:59:280:59:29

Well, one of the things that we were thinking about

0:59:290:59:31

is that we would like to have a press conference down in Washington.

0:59:310:59:36

And that may be next Thursday.

0:59:360:59:38

And call attention to all of this and make a big deal about it

0:59:380:59:41

and really call the FBI out on it.

0:59:410:59:43

Are you comfortable with that?

0:59:430:59:45

My only concern is that I don't want them retaliating against you,

0:59:500:59:53

simply because they couldn't put a case together.

0:59:530:59:56

But I think sometimes,

0:59:560:59:59

simply going public with it, the way you have and notifying everybody,

0:59:591:00:02

is the best way to head it off. So...

1:00:021:00:04

Right.

1:00:091:00:10

PHONE VIBRATES

1:00:111:00:13

PHONE VIBRATES

1:00:181:00:19

PHONE VIBRATES

1:00:251:00:27

You all exposed me.

1:00:341:00:35

You all put me on the goddamn line

1:00:351:00:37

and left me out there hanging to dry.

1:00:371:00:40

Initially, when I did this contract with you all,

1:00:411:00:44

if I didn't feel right about something, I wouldn't go and do it.

1:00:441:00:46

But you're all forcing my hand to go and do it.

1:00:461:00:49

You exposed me one time already

1:00:491:00:51

and I lost all my friends out of New York.

1:00:511:00:53

I lost everybody I grew up with and everything because of your bullshit.

1:00:531:00:57

-ANSWERPHONE:

-First saved message.

1:01:001:01:02

Received March 9th at 4.50pm.

1:01:021:01:07

But you see what I'm saying?

1:01:441:01:46

I'm heading home.

1:01:461:01:48

And you see what they still ask of me?

1:01:481:01:51

Go to the fucking limbs, let my fucking bones crumble.

1:01:511:01:55

I've got a meeting with my attorney.

1:02:041:02:09

I'm hoping that today the lawyer will be able to assist me

1:02:091:02:13

in giving me some advice on what I need to do to protect myself

1:02:131:02:16

and to protect my family

1:02:161:02:18

in the case that, if something was to happen to me,

1:02:181:02:22

that I was to be snatched off the street.

1:02:221:02:25

Can you think of anything else unusual

1:02:321:02:34

that's happened in the past year, people following you?

1:02:341:02:38

Just yesterday, me and my wife went to Jamil's Global Village

1:02:381:02:41

in East Liberty.

1:02:411:02:44

And as soon as I walked in there, like, not even a minute later,

1:02:441:02:47

this guy walks in. He's on a phone.

1:02:471:02:49

And there's some clothing, like, directly in front of the door.

1:02:491:02:53

He came in and he felt the sleeve of one of the clothes

1:02:531:02:57

and he was like, "Oh, this is nice material."

1:02:571:02:59

And then we were joking with him, actually, rubbed on his shirt

1:02:591:03:03

and said, "You got a nice shirt on, too."

1:03:031:03:05

And it was so clear that this man had a bulletproof vest on.

1:03:051:03:07

For some reason, they're just attracted to you.

1:03:071:03:11

I don't think anything is going to happen for a while.

1:03:121:03:15

Based on what you've told me...

1:03:151:03:17

..it would be hard for them to indict you right now,

1:03:181:03:21

based on what we think they know.

1:03:211:03:24

But they might try.

1:03:241:03:25

If they do come to your house,

1:03:251:03:28

they'll come, you know, late at night

1:03:281:03:30

-or early in the morning.

-Right.

1:03:301:03:32

The fact that they haven't already arrested me,

1:03:371:03:40

they obviously don't really have anything on me

1:03:401:03:43

and so they're still trying.

1:03:431:03:46

But you never know, you know? Just you never know.

1:03:461:03:49

As far as I know, I mean, Allah knows best,

1:03:521:03:54

but I haven't seen anyone following me today.

1:03:541:03:56

Why do we have to live in fear?

1:04:071:04:09

Why does my family have to live in fear every day now?

1:04:091:04:13

Whenever I walk out, my wife's wondering, you know,

1:04:131:04:15

is her husband going to return?

1:04:151:04:17

You know, I have a nine-month-old baby.

1:04:201:04:23

and my wife now, like,

1:04:231:04:26

she don't have no family in this country at all.

1:04:261:04:28

So if something happens to me, you know,

1:04:281:04:32

where does that leave my family?

1:04:321:04:33

No.

1:04:561:04:57

I haven't done anything to anybody!

1:05:141:05:16

Muhammad said,

1:05:161:05:18

"Beware of the supplication of the person who is unjustly treated."

1:05:181:05:23

This is wrong. I haven't done anything to anyone.

1:05:231:05:26

Can you please try and get a hold of somebody to help my wife, please?

1:05:291:05:32

Please, man.

1:05:321:05:34

Investigators are questioning a man

1:05:521:05:54

after the FBI raided his Wilkinsburg home.

1:05:541:05:57

What they found inside

1:05:571:05:58

has forced them to launch a major investigation.

1:05:581:06:02

He told friends he wanted to join the Taliban and die like a martyr.

1:06:021:06:06

But he ran from the FBI.

1:06:061:06:08

The Pittsburgh FBI SWAT team, though,

1:06:081:06:10

took him down moments later in front of his Wilkinsburg apartment

1:06:101:06:14

and now the Feds tonight are looking to see just what level

1:06:141:06:17

of anti-American he might be.

1:06:171:06:19

Ali Al-Akili, also known as James Marvin Thomas Jr,

1:06:191:06:23

was in possession of jihadist literature

1:06:231:06:25

and literature on the US military and its tactics

1:06:251:06:28

and that he promoted guerrilla violence

1:06:281:06:30

against the US armed forces.

1:06:301:06:32

Now, tonight there is no hard evidence, according to the Feds,

1:06:321:06:36

that the suspect took any action against United States.

1:06:361:06:39

But this investigation of this suspect and his friends

1:06:391:06:43

is far from over.

1:06:431:06:44

Hey, little man!

1:06:481:06:49

Go on, hey, get your hands up. Don't you know how to fight yet?

1:06:511:06:54

Yeah, I know, you've got your little pretty face.

1:06:541:06:57

You OK?

1:07:001:07:02

Your daddy's here now.

1:07:031:07:05

Wow.

1:07:071:07:09

It's good to be home, man. It's really good.

1:07:091:07:11

Project SALAM received this e-mail

1:07:221:07:24

from Khalifah,

1:07:241:07:27

in which he identified two informers -

1:07:271:07:29

Shahed Hussain and Saeed Torres.

1:07:291:07:32

He decided to hold a press conference

1:07:321:07:34

on Thursday, the day before the FBI arrested him.

1:07:341:07:38

And what did they arrest him on?

1:07:381:07:40

On a gun charge.

1:07:401:07:42

The gun charge was apparently based on the fact

1:07:421:07:44

that he had gone to a public shooting range

1:07:441:07:47

and made a video of it, which he posted on his Facebook.

1:07:471:07:50

And it has been on his page for at least six months.

1:07:501:07:53

Now, why time it to be exactly the day that he says,

1:07:531:07:56

"I'm going to go to a press conference

1:07:561:07:58

"and I'm going to explain that I don't want to be involved

1:07:581:08:01

"in any terrorism act

1:08:011:08:03

"and I wish the FBI would stop trying to press me into it."

1:08:031:08:05

If the mosque comes to the FBI and says "We suspect this person,"

1:08:051:08:09

is the FBI under any obligation to say, "Yeah, that's an informant"?

1:08:091:08:13

Just on the legal question,

1:08:131:08:15

the Bureau has no legal requirement

1:08:151:08:17

to tell either the targets of investigations

1:08:171:08:20

or anyone related to them about informants.

1:08:201:08:22

Interestingly, it's also never told Congress about the standards

1:08:221:08:24

under which it sends people to do this work,

1:08:241:08:26

which has really impeded any opportunity for oversight.

1:08:261:08:30

The FBI routinely uses informants to contrive cases

1:08:301:08:34

and criminalise First Amendment-protected activity.

1:08:341:08:37

And this is the same pattern that emerges

1:08:371:08:39

in case after case after case.

1:08:391:08:41

Tarik may be guilty. But you know what? Of talking.

1:09:041:09:07

In the whole thing, there was nothing about any weapons,

1:09:091:09:12

no bar...

1:09:121:09:13

Not nothing. Nothing.

1:09:131:09:15

Talk.

1:09:151:09:16

You want to wear those sneakers or your other sneakers?

1:09:191:09:22

You want to wear those?

1:09:221:09:24

This was all because of his child support payment.

1:09:251:09:29

They had Tarik owing 70,000, 80,000.

1:09:301:09:35

They knew that he was struggling.

1:09:371:09:39

Who are "they"?

1:09:391:09:41

Saeed knew that he was struggling with his payments.

1:09:411:09:45

I'm still making child-support payments for him.

1:09:461:09:49

And he's in prison.

1:09:511:09:52

Now, he felt desperate and he said, "I'll do anything."

1:09:581:10:02

And that's when they said, "We got him."

1:10:021:10:04

Now, you go and explain to him that, since he feels so down and stuff,

1:10:041:10:07

you've got some people that will help him.

1:10:071:10:09

Because he started saying he'd do desperate things.

1:10:091:10:12

And that's all they wanted him to say.

1:10:121:10:13

If you knew how everything would have turned out,

1:10:191:10:21

both for you and for Tarik,

1:10:211:10:23

-would you have done anything differently?

-No.

1:10:231:10:26

I'm not in control of this.

1:10:291:10:31

They are in control of it.

1:10:311:10:33

Who are "they"?

1:10:351:10:37

The agents, man. Come on!

1:10:371:10:39

Don't play with no word games with me.

1:10:391:10:41

Who else is "they"? Who else am I speaking of?

1:10:411:10:43

This is not something new that is happening.

1:10:511:10:55

I mean, these are things

1:10:551:10:57

that Malcolm used to talk about in the '60s.

1:10:571:10:59

He used to just always say,

1:10:591:11:01

"Be very careful of who you are speaking to,

1:11:011:11:04

"because I know that there are FBI informants that are Muslims."

1:11:041:11:10

The Quran says to enjoin good,

1:11:171:11:20

not to solicit or not to coerce and to do the wrong.

1:11:201:11:23

That's a major defilation of Quranic teachings,

1:11:231:11:26

you know, to encourage people to do wrong and that's what he was doing.

1:11:261:11:30

One of his fears is that someone in this mosque

1:11:301:11:32

may have issued a fatwa against him.

1:11:321:11:34

No!

1:11:341:11:35

Saeed, he knows better.

1:11:351:11:38

Nobody put a fatwa on Saeed. Nobody.

1:11:381:11:41

I seen him personally at one of the African street festivals.

1:11:461:11:51

I just stayed away from him.

1:11:511:11:53

-WOMAN'S VOICE:

-Hello. This is a prepaid collect call from...

1:12:041:12:08

-Khalifah

-..at Northeast Ohio Correctional Center.

1:12:081:12:13

This call is subject to recordings and monitoring.

1:12:131:12:17

-WOMAN'S VOICE:

-Thank you for using Secure Call. Goodbye.

1:12:571:13:00

I've been unemployed.

1:13:101:13:12

You know, it's been kind of rough.

1:13:121:13:15

The local jobs here, for some reason,

1:13:171:13:19

it seems like they just want their own kind.

1:13:191:13:22

I don't see too many Irish bars hiring any black cooks,

1:13:221:13:25

you know what I mean?

1:13:251:13:27

Other than that, I have no other resources.

1:13:271:13:29

I'm telling you how I'm trying to maintain this family.

1:13:291:13:34

When's the last time you heard from someone in the Bureau?

1:13:341:13:37

It's been a while.

1:13:371:13:39

Months.

1:13:391:13:41

I should have never, you know, even considered dealing with them.

1:13:411:13:45

You know what I mean?

1:13:451:13:46

I mean, it's...

1:13:471:13:50

It's chaotic. I don't have words for it at this moment.

1:13:501:13:52

I really don't.

1:13:521:13:53

I believe you caused what happened at Pittsburgh,

1:13:531:13:56

I'm getting all kinds of shit rolled down on me.

1:13:561:13:59

You know?

1:13:591:14:01

-But if Khalifah was arrested, wasn't Pittsburgh a success?

-No.

1:14:011:14:04

Why not?

1:14:041:14:05

Because it was not what they wanted him for.

1:14:051:14:09

Rough life, man. Rough life.

1:14:091:14:12

Sometimes, I think I don't know if I made the right decision or what.

1:14:121:14:15

I guess I should really, really...

1:14:271:14:31

..hate him.

1:14:331:14:35

But you know why I don't? Because...

1:14:351:14:38

..the old folks say, "What you reap, you will sow."

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And with all that he's done to my family

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and somebody else's family,

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he may be physically out of jail...

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..but, mentally, he's not.

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So I don't think that I would want to be in his place right now.

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I got to get my shit together. I been so fucking depressed, man.

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I've never been this way before.

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I need to get a little more active, a little more involved with my child.

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The correct way.

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Starve or eat with him.

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Six minutes.

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Let's smoke a joint, man.

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HE COUGHS AND SPLUTTERS

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I blame this all on the government.

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I'm trying to be a good fucking citizen.

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And look what happens.

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I'm a fucking Muslim and I can't even go to the mosque.

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Ain't that a bitch?

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Because of the fucking mosque I already infiltrated

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and even been on the news and everything else.

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And my name's up there, so how the fuck am I going to pray?

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They're violating my constitutional rights now

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and preventing me from going into the mosque because of my actions.

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A guy that used to work out of the New York office,

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he has something in the making.

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He said, "Are you interested in an assignment?"

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"Yes, I am."

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"Would I be interested in going down there and doing some work?"

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I said, "Yeah."

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"I could use the money."

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They're getting ready to make a case.

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Where I fit in there, I don't know. You see what I'm saying?

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So they must need my expertise,

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because they always remember who they work with.

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They say, "Oh, I'll call Saeed.

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"Saeed, yeah, he's the man for this one."

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To tell you the truth,

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I got over five, six motherfucking convictions

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that they dig out, they work on.

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They work and they got it.

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That's just another episode you have to wait for.

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That's another part of the story, you see what I'm saying?

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A real juicy part.

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So this story is never ending.

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# The Mississippi mud

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# Is soaked in black blood

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# How many more must die?

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-TV REPORTERS:

-In another terror case...

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Two men under arrest in a terror plot.

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Trying to detonate a car bomb.

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1,000lbs worth of explosives.

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Caught thanks to an FBI informant.

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The plot was uncovered by an informant.

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-Confidential informant that was involved.

-But the bomb was a fake.

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It was a sting.

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The FBI set the whole thing up and enticed them with money and gifts.

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# But we know something is wrong

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# The Mississippi mud

1:18:201:18:23

# Is soaked in black blood

1:18:231:18:27

# How many more must die?

1:18:271:18:33

# My heart is singing a sad song

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# Cos so many brothers are gone

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# It's happened many times before

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# Lord, Lord, how many more?

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# The Mississippi mud

1:19:021:19:05

# Is soaked in black blood

1:19:051:19:09

# How many more must die? #

1:19:091:19:15

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