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NEWS REPORTS: 'Disaster at Christmas. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
'Pan Am Flight 103 had been in the air for an hour. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
'For reasons we do not yet understand, the plane, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
'with 50,000 gallons of fuel on board, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
'plunged into the small Scottish town...' | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
'..Lockerbie with liquid fire.' | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
'The fuselage reportedly split in two...' | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
'There is very little hope, I would have thought, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
'for anybody who was in a plane. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:30 | |
'When it did come to earth, it hit very hard.' | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
Scene four, take one. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
Action. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
I mean, for some time the impression has been growing upon me | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
that everyone is dead. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
The aspiring novelist had wanted to surprise his family with | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
an early arrival home. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Instead he wound up on the doomed Flight 103 and never made it. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
Somewhere in Scotland, Lockerbie... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
you're looking for your notebook, a pen. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
It's there in the debris. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
I remember you, you know, giving the memorial, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
and we thought it was great you were reading letters from David. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
You know, I get the sense that you kind of look up to him, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
and he was older but he thought so highly of you. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
NEWS REPORTS: 'Only one man was ever convicted for the crime, a Libyan, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
'who was to spend the rest of his life in prison. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
'WAS to spend the rest of his life. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
'Today the government of Scotland released Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.' | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
'The Libyan intelligence agent is dying of prostate cancer. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
'Scottish officials are granting him | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
'what they call a compassionate release.' | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
'Relatives of the victims are outraged...' | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
And then I saw the motorcade covered from every angle. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:57 | |
'..just eight years of a life sentence...' | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
And the only person ever convicted of the bombing of Flight 103, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
the murder of your daughter, my brother... | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
NEWS REPORT: 'Tonight, the Lockerbie bomber flew home...' | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
..and watching him go free live on television! | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
'..a dying man or mass-murderer set free...' | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
I'm asking myself, is the murderer getting away? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
And how far would I go to find out whether he is who he seems to be? | 0:02:22 | 0:02:28 | |
When David died, I was 19 years old. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
I was home from college for Christmas break | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
and my sister was on her way home as well. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
My father took the call from the airline and I sat with him | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
as we got the news that David was gone. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
'The relatives of some of those who died | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
'have arrived in Britain from America.' | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
Many families flew immediately to Lockerbie, but mine stayed home. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:06 | |
The bombing became a topic we could never manage to discuss. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
'..tonight that Flight 103 fell out of the sky, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
'leaving a 100-mile trail of twisted wreckage and 270 victims. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
'Today, investigators said the evidence was conclusive - | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
'it was a bomb.' | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
'The centre of the search is the crater which was gouged out | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
'of the ground by the Pan American jet.' | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
'President Reagan said the US would make every effort to find out | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
'who bombed the Pan Am jet.' | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
REAGAN: I have been following quite closely | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
the details of the Pan Am 103 tragedy, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
and now that we know definitely that it was a bomb. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
We're going to make every effort we can to find out who was guilty. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:47 | |
I would hope to God that our government would definitely | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
take a long hard look at this, | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
because we don't... | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
The group of relatives quickly became public campaigners | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
for the truth about Lockerbie. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:57 | |
NEWS REPORT: 'Jim Swire said, "We're not going to go away | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
'"until we get what we want." | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Among the most prominent and controversial was a British doctor | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
named Jim Swire, who'd lost his 23-year-old daughter. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
I remember the hair on the back of my neck standing up the first time | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
someone in the media actually use the word "murder". | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
I remember the impact of that word. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
The concept that my lovely daughter should have been murdered. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
NEWS REPORT: 'The finger of suspicion is pointing at radical Palestinian groups, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
'men who see violence as the only way...' | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Early theories pin the bombing on a terror group based in Syria | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
and backed by Iran. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
'Top of the list is Ahmed Jibril, Syrian-backed head of the radical...' | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
But what role if any Iran played in the plot remains unclear. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
And I grew quietly obsessed with the mystery. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
'Yet another week of investigation into the bombing of Pan Am | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
'Flight 103 is nearly at an end and it is laborious.' | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
'Questions - when and how was the bomb placed on the plane | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
'and who did it?' | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
OK, are we all set? | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Good morning. HE CLEARS HIS THROAT | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
For three years, the United States and Scotland have been conducting | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
one of the most exhaustive and complex investigations in history. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
Finally, there is a press conference. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
Now they're saying, "We've gotten the results | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
"and we're going to tell you who we believe did it and why." | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
Yes, we saw the statement being put out in America. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
Today we are announcing an indictment in the case. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
'It was an exciting moment | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
'because there's the assumption that we're going to find out the truth.' | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
We charge that two Libyan officials, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
acting as operatives of the Libyan intelligence service, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
along with other co-conspirators, planted | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
and detonated the bomb that destroyed Pan Am Flight 103. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
NEWS REPORT: 'Murder warrants are out tonight for two Libyan spies. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:03 | |
'They are now formally charged with bombing Pan Am Flight 103 | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
'out of the sky over Lockerbie, Scotland.' | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
There are these two men. Libyan operatives of some kind. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
And you hear their names for the first time. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
Abdelbaset al-Megrahi. Mm-hm. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
Lhamen Fhimah. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
'Abdelbaset al-Megrahi is accused of being the mastermind of the Pan Am 103 bombing.' | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
I remember the story coming on and trying to feel something about this. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
My God, it was Libya! | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
And I remember trying to work up a sense of the proper hatred | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
for these two men. Yes. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
The plot reportedly came down to a bomb built into a radio | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
cassette player packed with Semtex explosive. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
It was the Libyans who were accused of buying | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
the clothes in the bomb bag and getting it all onto Flight 103. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
'Two Libyans are on trial at a court set up in the Netherlands. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
'They've always insisted they are innocent.' | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
It would take almost ten years before the suspects were turned over | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
and families like mine were finally able to hear the evidence. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
And when it was all over, the verdict was a disappointingly mixed bag. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:10 | |
'A split decision. For Lhamen Fhimah, acquittal. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
'But Abdelbaset al-Megrahi found guilty as charged. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
'The court ruled...' | 0:07:17 | 0:07:18 | |
Would I like to have tried the case in the United States? Sure. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
But I don't know what more we could have done. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
Brian Murtagh was one of the top US prosecutors on the case. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
I believe that the evidence was there to convict Megrahi correctly | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
and to sustain his conviction. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
I wish Fhimah had been convicted | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
because I think the same should be said of him. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
But, you know, the judges didn't see it that way. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
'After waiting 12 years...it was some level of justice. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:53 | |
Obviously...you can never bring your kid back. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
NEWS REPORT: 'Over and over today, 'the family members wanted to know, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
'will the US now pursue Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
CHEERING | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
The theory was that Lockerbie had been revenge for the US | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
bombing of Libya back in 1986. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
'One of Gaddafi's houses was hit...' | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
But Gaddafi always denied a role in Pan Am 103. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
His government claimed to have been pressured into paying money to | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
families like mine and issuing a carefully worded statement. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
But they never took real responsibility for the bombing, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
and the story, to me, never felt truly felt finished. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
Some 20 years after the bombing, I was no longer David's little brother. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
I was married with two kids | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
and working on documentaries for Frontline, in Boston. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
EXCITED CHATTER | 0:08:46 | 0:08:48 | |
When the kids were very young, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
I wrote a book about David's brief life, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
but I'd largely put my questions about his death out of my mind. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
Then, in the summer of 2009, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
something unexpected happened that brought it all back. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
'There is a possibility tonight that the only person convicted | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
'in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
'Scotland, might soon go free after just ten years in prison. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
'Some relatives of the 270 victims are outraged.' | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
The one man convicted for the bombing was diagnosed with cancer | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
and was said to have just three months to live. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
'..dying of prostate cancer. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
'Scottish officials are considering granting him | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
'what they call a compassionate release.' | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
'It was a decision met with outrage at the highest levels.' | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
'We have been in contact with the Scottish government | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
'indicating that we objected to this. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
'And we thought it was a mistake.' | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
'President Obama said the US deeply regrets the decision | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
'and warned Libya not to give him a hero's welcome. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
'The Libyans weren't listening.' | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
'Megrahi emerged wearing a suit, the frail former inmate | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
'unrecognisable as he acknowledged the jubilant crowd.' | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
WHISTLING AND CHEERING | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
I remember being shocked by Megrahi's release. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
His conviction hadn't been fully satisfying, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
but at least it was an answer. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Now, all that was coming undone. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
My brother and the others had been killed | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
and certainty about who did it was being wiped away. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
'Some believe Megrahi should go free. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
'They don't believe he was guilty.' | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
'Megrahi is not expected to live long enough for his next appeal to be heard.' | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Megrahi's release also gave momentum to those who believed | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
he wasn't guilty at all. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
And theories pinning Lockerbie on Iran were once again revived. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:39 | |
I wished I could let it go, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
but instead I decided to set out on my own search for answers. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
DOORBELL RINGS | 0:10:46 | 0:10:47 | |
I began by tracking down the FBI agent who'd worked longer than | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
anyone on the Lockerbie case. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
Richard Marquise. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Richard Marquise. How are you? Good to see you, Ken. Good to see you. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
Almost 25 years later, no-one's ever admitted playing any role in it. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
And in fact, Megrahi, the one man convicted, | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
he's let go after serving only eight years under a cloud of suspicion. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:09 | |
Nobody is paying for this. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
No-one is paying judicially, for blowing up Pan Am 103. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
That's a great frustration. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
CHEERING | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Gaddafi was told, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
"If your agents are found guilty, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
"you have to admit responsibility for the attack," | 0:11:23 | 0:11:27 | |
and all he would admit to was, "responsibility for the actions of my agents." | 0:11:27 | 0:11:32 | |
I think it's terrible that we allowed him | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
to get away with that statement. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
When I spoke to the Lockerbie families, I said, | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
"I wished we could have gotten more for you." | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
Megrahi was the only person convicted | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
because he's the only person that the evidence led to. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
But if he did this, he didn't do it by himself. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
Megrahi is the tip of the iceberg. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
If I was writing the novel version, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
we would have identified not only the people who put that | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
bomb on the plane, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:08 | |
but those who ordered it up | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
the chain of command and put them all in jail. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
That would have been the fantasy. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
Over the years, I've gotten to know a lot of the investigators | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
and prosecutors who worked on the case. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
Stuart Henderson. Ken, please come in. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
'I visited their homes here and abroad | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
'and heard their stories.' | 0:12:27 | 0:12:28 | |
We didn't have any evidence of that. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
'They are all retired now and almost to a man, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
'they feel unsatisfied with the way the case ended.' | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
How frustrated do you think we are to be detectives who have | 0:12:37 | 0:12:42 | |
been all over the world trying to get an answer to this | 0:12:42 | 0:12:49 | |
At no stage did I ever say I just wanted Megrahi. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
I said I wanted all of them. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
Because there was no doubt in my mind he isn't the only one. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
He was the baggage man and he got caught. And rightly so. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
But I would like to have seen the rest of them. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
No, the case isn't finished, because all those responsible for | 0:13:09 | 0:13:13 | |
the crime have not been identified and prosecuted, much less convicted. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:20 | |
'Late this afternoon, the nose of the Pan Am jet was finally lifted | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
'from the hillside three miles from Lockerbie.' | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
And the only way we're ever going to find out what happened fully is | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
somebody walks in that was involved and lays it all out for us. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
Or there's a regime change in Libya. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
In the summer of 2011, regime change in Libya suddenly seemed possible. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
'Libya is burning! | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
'Rage against the tyranny of Gaddafi is sweeping the country.' | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
As the rebels gained ground, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
I began to wonder about making the trip to Libya myself. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
So, you had a list of names. Oh, yeah. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
I mean, how many names would have been on the list? Probably ten. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
Stuart Henderson and I, we both left lists with our successors to say, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
"If you get to Libya this is what you ought to do. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
"This is who you ought to be after, you should talk to." | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
Every one of these, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
at some stage, played a part in it. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
And the list read quite clearly. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
There was Abdullah Senussi, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Ezzedine al Hinshiri, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
who did the ordering of their explosive device timers, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
Mohammed Rashid, | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Badri Hassan. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
We've got Abdullah Zadma, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:45 | |
Nassr Ashur, an expert in making sure that bombs go off. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Mohammed Ibrahim Bishari... | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
..and a surprise expert in charge, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
explosives, in particular. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
A surprise mechanic, you could say, that started the ball rolling. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
He holds the key to it all. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:04 | |
These are the people that must be found | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
and these are the people who are responsible. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
But I never ever got access to them long enough | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
to interview any of them. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:17 | |
We got part of the conspiracy, but only a small part. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
You only get an answer to your final story with the rest of them. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
I think, until none of them can be found at all, then you can't stop. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
The fighting in Libya had closed down the main airport, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
so I had to find my own way in. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
I flew first into neighbouring Tunisia then hired a driver to | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
take me through the night towards Libya's western border. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
Your first name is? Ken. No, surname. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
You want me to write it in? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
Put this away? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
It was late in the summer of 2011, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
as the Libyan revolution reached its climax, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
when I finally arrived in the capital, Tripoli. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
NEWS REPORT: 'We're starting with the situation in Libya. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
'It has taken a new turn, they still have no idea where | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
'Muammar Gaddafi is, he's on the run tonight...' | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
'..After a lightning advance this weekend that caught Gaddafi's forces by surprise. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
'It's now clear it is not over yet.' | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
'There is still fierce fighting in many neighbourhoods as | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
'forces loyal to Gaddafi make one final stand.' | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
After so many years of imagining this place, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
it was hard to believe I was actually here | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
at Gaddafi's old home. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
Now his compound had become a makeshift fairground | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
complete with lots of celebratory gunfire, souvenirs | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
and a general carnival atmosphere. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
By the time I arrived, the NATO bombing campaign had taken out | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
many of Gaddafi's old command and control centres. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
Rumours were flying that important intelligence material might have | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
been left behind here in Gaddafi's vast network of fortified bunkers. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
What is this map? Libya. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Suliman Ali Zway joined up with the revolution from its start | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
in Benghazi where he was born. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
'When I first met him, he was leading me and some other | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
'journalists on a tour of an old underground intelligence facility.' | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
That is all sealed. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:28 | |
'When Tripoli fell, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
'there were so many places that were left unguarded.' | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
Do you find Gaddafi? | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
Come out, wherever you are. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
We are just going through all of those places to show | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
Western journalist how an authoritarian regime was operating, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
and what kind of files they kept. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
Jesus, look at this room. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
'Suliman seemed to share a deep interest in the secrets | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
'of the old regime.' | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
What do we think these tapes are? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
For Suliman, the search for answers was personal as well. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
One of the reasons I went to Tripoli is to find out what happened | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
to my uncle. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:17 | |
He was taken in '89, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
he was killed in the Abu Salim massacre, 1,200 were killed. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
We didn't find out until 2003 about the Lockerbie thing. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
It's so long ago, everybody who might have had remotely any idea | 0:19:30 | 0:19:37 | |
what happened in Lockerbie would either be dead or | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
out of the country or on the run with Gaddafi somewhere. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
So I had very little hopes to finding something substantial. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
Suliman was understandably sceptical, but he was willing to help. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
We rented an apartment on the outskirts of Tripoli | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
and the next day we began to search for the men on my list. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
These are some houses, look at these. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
A few of the men I was looking for lived in this exclusive | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
section of Tripoli. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
What do people think of this neighbourhood? | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
It's good to be a friend of Muammar's. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
MEN SHOUT OUT | 0:20:30 | 0:20:32 | |
Our first stop was the home of the most well-known man on my list, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
Abdullah Senussi. How many people lived here? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
I don't know, he had a bunch of kids, you know. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
Abdullah Senussi was the head of Libyan intelligence | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
at the time of Lockerbie and was actually convicted | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
for the downing of another passenger plane that was bombed not long after Flight 103. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
By the time of the Revolution, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
Senussi had become the second most powerful man in the country, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
which is likely why NATO | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
put a missile through the centre of his house. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
An attack that Senussi somehow survived. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Said Rashid is this or that, it looks like this is all one thing. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
This style of gate. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
Just around the block, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
I went looking for another of the men on my list - Said Rashid. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
The US government had said that Said Rashid was one | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
of the masterminds of Lockerbie and many other attacks against the West. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
He was known to Libyans as a ruthless Gaddafi enforcer. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
All this damage is from looting or from NATO? | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
Rashid's family had abandoned this house just a few weeks | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
before I arrived. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
The place was ransacked for money and valuables. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
But I'd come looking | 0:21:52 | 0:21:53 | |
for evidence of Rashid's involvement in Lockerbie. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
So this was Said Rashid's office? | 0:21:57 | 0:21:58 | |
In Rashid's desk, I found an Arabic translation of the indictment | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
of the Libyans for Pan Am 103, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
complete with Rashid's handwritten notes. But there was no smoking gun. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
Who is that in the white? Is that Said Rashid? | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
Yes. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
We managed to find someone still working at Libyan state television | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
and he cued up the video of Megrahi's release from a Scottish prison. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
I was told that several key suspects in the Lockerbie plot | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
had showed up to welcome him home. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
The first man to greet Megrahi was another none other than Said Rashid - | 0:22:36 | 0:22:41 | |
the alleged mastermind of the plot. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
But even more senior than Rashid was the man who Megrahi | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
was about to greet in the front seat of this SUV. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Who is this? | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
I began to feel that Megrahi's return had become | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
a kind of reunion for the suspected Lockerbie plotters. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
It also seemed to be a belated victory celebration. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
The night's featured speaker was Said Rashid. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Listening to Rashid, I tried to understand the mind | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
of a Gaddafi loyalist, who may have plotted to down my brother's plane. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
On this night, Gaddafi couldn't have seemed more pleased | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
with Rashid. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:53 | |
But I was told things didn't end well for him. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
In the chaotic early moments of the revolution, Gaddafi grew | 0:23:57 | 0:24:01 | |
paranoid and came to question the loyalty of the ultimate loyalist. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
Rashid was shot as a traitor. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
I'd already been away from my family for weeks, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
but I didn't have much to show for it. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
The men I was looking for had either fled the capital or were | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
laying low in places where I would never be able to find them. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
NEWS REPORT: This is all that remains of Colonel Gaddafi's convoy as he tried to escape... | 0:24:26 | 0:24:31 | |
Then there was Gaddafi himself. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
For weeks, Gaddafi had holed up in his hometown of Sirte. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
When he tried to slip out one morning, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
a NATO airstrike hit his convoy point-blank. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
'Somehow, though, Colonel Gaddafi himself escaped from all this.' | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
Gaddafi and a few of his security detail | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
took cover in this drainage pipe. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
The rebels dragged Muammar Gaddafi, once the most powerful man | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
in Libya, out of the drainage ditch and that's when the mayhem started.' | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
Gaddafi's last moments were recorded. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
His last words, reportedly were, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
"Don't kill me, don't kill my sons". | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
When this video hit the news, reporters began to call me | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
and other Lockerbie relatives. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
They wanted to know what we felt, were we satisfied? | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
I watched Gaddafi's death over and over, trying to feel some | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
bloodlust for the man who may have | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
given the order to blow up Flight 103. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
But I only managed to feel a strange empathy for this beaten man | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
pleading for his life. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
Rebels hoisted Gaddafi's body onto a truck | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
so the crowds could see their prize. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
Meanwhile, I heard a rumour that one of the remaining men on my list | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
had been in the convoy with Gaddafi that morning. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
We found a video of the survivors who had been taken prisoner | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
by a vengeful rebel militia. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
Most were low-level loyalists | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
and tribesman brought in to fight Gaddafi's last stand. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
The prisoners were marched into a field, shot execution style | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
and left to rot in the desert sun. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
The most high-profile among them was the man I'd been looking for, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
a loyalist named Ezzedine Hinshiri, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
who'd stuck with Gaddafi until the end. This looks like him, doesn't it? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
It looks like it. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:33 | |
I knew little of Ezzedine Hinshiri's | 0:26:46 | 0:26:47 | |
role in Lockerbie except that he'd made the initial | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
order of the timers said to have blown up Flight 103. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
Hinshiri had been close friends with Said Rashid, both were engineers, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
both had been involved with the timers and now both were dead. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
By my count, there were now only four men left on my list. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
One of them, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
I was told, had died of a heart attack just a few months earlier. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
He wasn't like the others, not a regular intelligence officer | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
or a member of Gaddafi's inner circle, but an airline | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
executive who may have been co-opted to take part in the plot. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
His name was Badri Hassan. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
Badri, believe you me, is a scapegoat. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
I'm sure he never knew what was going on until it was too late. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
Or after it happened. Souad Hassan was Badri's wife. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
Her brother, Yaseen, worked with Badri part-time | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
and for years listened to his sister's questions about Lockerbie. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
Souad said her suspicions about Badri began almost immediately | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
after the bombing. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
A short time, you mean, after Lockerbie? | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
You're sure of what? That was he wasn't involved? | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
Do you know why I am so interested in all of this? No. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
I had an older brother. He was on the plane that went down over Lockerbie. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
Really? I'm very sorry to hear that. So sorry. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Badri died with a lot of secrets, Ezzedine, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
Said Rashid, Abdullah Senussi, they were always there | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
on the front-line, | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
they were always there willing to do the wicked stuff... | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
..for Gaddafi. And Abdelbaset. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
What was Badri's relationship with Megrahi? | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
When was this? They met in '87. '87. The first meeting in Zurich. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
Zurich, Switzerland. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
Souad told me that Badri and Megrahi rented an office here | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
for more than a year before Lockerbie. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
It turned out they were right down the hall from the Swiss company MEBO | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
that made the timer said to have blown up Flight 103. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
It's thought that the device was bought from MEBO in Zurich. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
Badri was the connection | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
between this MEBO company and the Libyan intelligence. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
Yeah. Badri tried to prove that | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
they didn't know what the device was going to be used for. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
Do you think Abdelbaset knew what the device was going to be used for? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
I think Abdelbaset, he knows everything. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
The truth has to come out about Pan Am 103. Yes. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
The connection of Switzerland. The connection of Megrahi. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
Eh... The connection of Zurich. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
You would get a lot of information out of a certain Swiss person, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:30 | |
Mr...Bollier? Bollier. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
He's located in Zurich. Zurich. This MEBO company. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:39 | |
It had been just over a year since I first set off to Libya | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
in search of answers, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:49 | |
but now, I was convinced that a key piece of the story | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
lay here in Zurich, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:54 | |
where investigators traced the custom-built timer | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
that was so critical to the Lockerbie plot. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
At some point, this timer was fitted into the Lockerbie bomb | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
so it would blow up, at least in theory, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
exactly when the terrorists desired. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
NEWS REPORT: Edwin Bollier is said to have supplied the timer | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
which set off the Lockerbie explosion. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
Investigators first came here to question Edwin Bollier | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
about his timers back in late 1990. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
They showed him a photograph | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
of the fragment they'd found near Lockerbie | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
and Bollier identified it as a piece of a timer | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
he'd sold to the Libyan military a few years earlier. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
Over the years, however, he's changed his story. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
He now maintains that the timer they say blew up Flight 103 | 0:31:33 | 0:31:37 | |
was not actually one of those he sold to Libya. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
Bollier? | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
I told Edwin Bollier that my brother was on Flight 103 | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
and that I was searching for the truth. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:49 | |
KNOCKING | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
And, after an initial meeting, Bollier agreed to film with me. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
Hello. Hello. How are you? How are you? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
People say, "You're going to speak with Edwin Bollier - | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
"yeah, he's not trustworthy" or "He's hiding something". Yes, yes... | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
"He was involved, he was helping the Libyans". Yes. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
What's your response to them? | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
I'll show you... | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
'Bollier insists that he's simply a contractor | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
'who sold electronics to the Libyan military. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
'But I wanted to walk through the story with him, step-by-step.' | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
'We began with the fact that the Libyan businessman, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
'Badri Hassan, had rented office space from Bollier | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
'the year before the bombing. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
'Badri's partner in the Zurich office | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
'was Abdelbaset al-Megrahi - | 0:32:59 | 0:33:00 | |
'the man who would later be convicted for the Lockerbie bombing.' | 0:33:00 | 0:33:04 | |
Abdelbaset al-Megrahi? Yes, yeah. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
What was he like as a person? What was his character? Was he...? | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
Did you believe that he was involved in the bombing of Flight 103? | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
No, no, no. No, no. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Bollier says Badri and Megrahi were rarely in the Zurich office. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
But then, just a few weeks before the bombing, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
Badri came to Bollier with a rush order for timers. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
HE SPEAKS IN GERMAN | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
'The original order for these timers | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
'came three years earlier, Bollier explained.' | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
..not only these 20 - a lot... | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
'Bollier hoped for a contract to make more than 1,000 of these timers | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
'and he said he delivered 20 prototypes to the Libyan military.' | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
'But the two men who originally ordered these timers, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
'Ezzedine Hinshiri and Said Rashid, | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
'were not regular military officers. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
'They were Gaddafi inner circle members | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
'and intelligence officials. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
'And it was Badri Hassan, a civilian with ties to the inner circle, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
'who would come to Bollier about the timers just before Lockerbie. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
'Bollier insists that he had no idea | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
'the reason behind Badri's rush order.' | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
When Badri ordered these timers, he wanted them right away. Yes. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
Did he say... Why such a rush, all of a sudden? | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
Cos the original order was three years earlier. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
Yeah, no, uh... | 0:34:38 | 0:34:39 | |
So you're saying they put an order in 1985. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
It's supposed to be for 1,500. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
You never hear about it, you're always checking - | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
"What about the order?" | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
And then all of a sudden, three years later... | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
Yes, curious. Curious. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:02 | |
I guess what I wanted to know, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:06 | |
cos you had a lot of business with the Libyans - | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
anything about the way they ordered these timers that made you think | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
that they were using them for, uh...for bombs? No. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
For terrorism? No. Was there anything that seemed unusual? | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
Bollier says he was out of stock of the MST-13 timers | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
that the Libyans had rush-ordered. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
So he delivered some knock-off timers which they rejected. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
In the end, though, it didn't matter - | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
the Lockerbie judges concluded that one of the original timers | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
supplied by Bollier to the Libyans years earlier | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
had been used to blow up flight 103. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
At the time the FBI first encountered Edwin Bollier, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
they didn't fully understand his long relationship with the Libyans. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
It all began in the mid-1970s, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
when Bollier said he started supplying the Libyans | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
with broadcasting equipment - police radios, fax machines. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
But by the early 1980s, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
the CIA began to suspect that he was supplying the Libyans with much more. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
The details come from this once classified CIA technical report. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
It explains that in 1984, four years before Lockerbie, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:26 | |
the CIA uncovered briefcase bombs | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
in the hands of Libyan operatives in north Africa. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
Semtex explosive inside the suitcase | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
was detonated with a custom-made firing device, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
using Motorola pagers. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:38 | |
And these pagers were ultimately traced back | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
to MEBO and Edwin Bollier. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
There's a whole CIA report on these devices. Mm-hm. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
They find a briefcase and, and...Semtex and, um... Mm-hm. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:54 | |
So they're analysing this whole thing. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
This was in '84. Right - I mean, if you had known | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
this guy seems to be supplying the Libyans | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
with devices to do bad things, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
I mean, would that have coloured your dealings with him at all? | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
Yeah, it would have certainly given me | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
a little bit different look | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
at who this guy is and what he might be up to. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
Well, actually - so, this report makes clear that the CIA, I think, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
through the Swiss police, told him, "knock it off" about the pagers, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
back in 1984. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:22 | |
Yes - it says he was contacted by the Swiss police about those pagers. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
So he does seem to have an awareness, at some point, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
that the stuff he's making is being used for terrorism... Oh, yeah. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
I think anybody who deals with the Libyans | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
in electronic weapons and things knows they're probably being used, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
at some point in time, in some way, for terrorism. Right. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
But...did he give these timers and other equipment | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
with the intent to blow up airplanes? | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
Proving that is pretty damn hard to do. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
So, just what did Edwin Bollier know about the timing devices | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
he was supplying to the Gaddafi regime? | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
Not long after Bollier first delivered these timers | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
to the Libyans, police seized one of them | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
among a cache of weapons in the West African nation of Togo. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
Then, just ten months before Lockerbie, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
the CIA learned about another of Bollier's timers. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
It was found in the hands of Libyan operatives | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
attempting to bomb targets in Senegal. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
The CIA had written detailed reports on the Togo and Senegal timers, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
linking them both back to Edwin Bollier. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
But all of this took on new significance in June of 1990, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
when Lockerbie investigators came to them | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
with the circuit board fragment they'd found at the crash site. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
The CIA produces photographs of what we call the Senegal timer | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
after two Libyan intelligence operatives | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
travelling with pistols with silencers, Semtex, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
blasting caps and this timer | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
were arrested by the Senegalese government | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
and it was sort of, like, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
if we can establish that MEBO made the Senegal device, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
they probably made the Togo timer as well. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
So they take the thing apart | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
and on one of the circuit boards within the timer, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
they find something that's scratched out, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
that was determined to say "M-E-B-O". | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
I mean, did you used to write "MEBO" on the circuit board? Yes. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
All the PC boards have "MEBO". | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
Why this is scratched, here, I don't know. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:38 | |
Well, they say because... But you can read "MEBO", it's clear, yeah. MEBO. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
I guess what they would say is that if the Libyans were using your timers | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
for terrorism, they wanted to scratch it out so no-one would figure it out. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
I...I don't know, but that... That it's scratched is... | 0:39:52 | 0:39:57 | |
This is curious. I mean, just your relationship with Libya. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:02 | |
You know, you...you gave them radio equipment... | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
You had a long relationship with them, then suddenly, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
you find that your timers are showing up in the hands of Libyan agents | 0:40:07 | 0:40:14 | |
in Togo or Senegal and they're using your timer for terrorist purposes. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
I mean, how did you feel about that? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
Oh, I was not... The feeling was not good. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
So it's clear that we stop everything immediately | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
with such...such things, with timers and commando cases. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
We have stopped everything. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
But I told also, on the first time... | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
'It wasn't clear to me when Bollier says he stopped | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
'supplying electronics to Libya, or why, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
'and he still maintains he was only made aware | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
'of the Togo and Senegal operations much later.' | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
But at the Lockerbie trial, it emerged that Bollier | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
was actually in Tripoli during the week before the Senegal operation. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
When asked about the purpose of this visit | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
and whether it had anything to do with his timers, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
Bollier replied that he couldn't remember. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
Bollier did remember another trip to Libya that year. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
He told the FBI that he was in Tripoli that December, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
just before what turned out to be a major operation...Lockerbie. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
He said he ended up at Abdelbaset al-Megrahi's office, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
just two nights before the bombing. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
It was here he said that he witnessed a meeting. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
That was... | 0:41:29 | 0:41:30 | |
'Bollier still recalled that night | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
'and even drew me the layout of Megrahi's office.' | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
Here, I think, here was the room from Abdelbaset...with doors, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
and they have a meeting here. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
And then, we... | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
'But what was this meeting at the office | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
'of the man later convicted | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
..with the meeting and waiting for Megrahi on that evening, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
so close to Lockerbie... Yeah. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
The prosecution at the trial, they made this sound like the Libyans | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
were planning Lockerbie in this room here, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
right across from you. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:04 | |
They say this, yes. They say this. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
Do you think that's what was going on in there? No, no. No, no. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
I see... | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
The only problem with Bollier's current denial | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
is that it once again contradicts what he said years ago | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
when he initially spoke with investigators. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
At that time, he made clear that this meeting before Lockerbie | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
involved thugs and some high-ranking Gaddafi officials | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
and when asked about the purpose of the meeting, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
Bollier told the FBI that this meeting | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
could have been part of the preparations | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
for the bombing of Flight 103. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
NEWS REPORT: Edwin Bollier, MEBO's owner, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
was a slippery and unconvincing witness... | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
At the time Bollier testified at the trial of the Libyans, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
he attempted to discredit much of the prosecution case. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
He claimed the timer fragment he'd admitted was his back in 1990, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
the key piece of physical evidence linking the bomb to Libya, | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
was essentially a fake, planted by unnamed conspirators | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
to frame him and the Libyans for the bombing | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
and Bollier's been trying to prove | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
that he's been the victim of a fraud ever since. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
So you're saying it wasn't Libya. Yes. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
And it wasn't Abdelbaset al-Megrahi. Yes. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
And it wasn't your timer. Yes. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:18 | |
And we don't know who fabricated the evidence... Yes, yes. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
..against Libya and you. Yes. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
We know nothing. Yeah, yeah, true. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
When you see from this side, we know nothing. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:34 | |
BEEPING | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Unfortunately for Bollier, a special Scottish commission | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
reviewed most of his claims about the timer fragment | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
and found them completely unsupported by evidence. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
And his idea of an international conspiracy to link him to Flight 103? | 0:43:52 | 0:43:57 | |
The commission strongly suggested that this was pure fantasy. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:01 | |
CLANKING | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
So what to do next? How long would I keep up the chase? | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
There was still just one person ever convicted for Lockerbie - | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
Abdelbaset al-Megrahi. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
And he continued to protest his innocence | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
now that he was back home in Libya. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
I decided to return to Tripoli to see if I could talk to Megrahi myself | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
now that there was a new government in place. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
My old friend and translator Suliman | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
had offered to help me track him down. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
It turned out we weren't the only ones trying to find him. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
NEWS REPORT: A lot of late news out of Libya tonight. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
Among the new developments, CNN's Nic Robinson managed to locate | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
the Pan Am 103 bomber. Here is his report. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was released from a Scottish jail two years ago. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
He came home to a hero's welcome, freed on compassionate grounds, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
because doctors said he'd be dead in three months, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:19 | |
The convicted Pan Am 103 bomber lives. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:24 | |
We found Abdelbaset al-Megrahi's villa in an upmarket part of town. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
At least six security cameras and floodlights outside. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:33 | |
I don't see the guys, the neighbourhood watch guys. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
This is Megrahi's house, | 0:45:36 | 0:45:38 | |
this is where he's been living for the last couple of years. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
We're going to knock on the door, see if we can get any answer. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
Hello. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
'For 15 minutes or so, nothing...' | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
I remember the reporter from CNN found Megrahi. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
I'm not sure that they've heard me, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
so let's try the last-ditch means, which is... | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
He tried to jump over the wall of Megrahi's house. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
Hello. Hello, hello. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
We tried so many times to go to that place and we just knock on the door. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
You going to park right in front? | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
Yes. Just... OK. Just normal. Just be yourself. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
The very first time nobody answered. We spent, like, an hour there. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:22 | |
Every time we go, we discuss how we can approach them and how to explain | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
a foreigner, let alone a foreigner who wants to film with Megrahi. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
At that point, we all thought that Megrahi was brought back | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
to Libya under bogus sick leave or something, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:39 | |
that he was supposed to die two years before but he didn't. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
RINGING TONE | 0:46:44 | 0:46:45 | |
And we then realised that the guy was actually dying. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
It's been decades since the bomb exploded on board Pan Am 103. | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
It seemed the secrets of the attack would die with the bombers. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
Convicted Pan Am 103 bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi | 0:47:04 | 0:47:09 | |
appears to be just a shell of the man he was. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
Do you know how long he has left? | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
Whatever secrets he has may soon be gone. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
Time was running out to meet Megrahi, but then I got a break. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:32 | |
Right here, right here. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:33 | |
I met up with Dr Jim Swire, a Lockerbie relative, | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
who I'd known for years. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:38 | |
It turned out he'd also made the trip to Libya in search of answers. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
And he too was here to try to meet with Megrahi before he died. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
Unlike me, Dr Swire had been to Libya many times before. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
When was your first trip to Tripoli? | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
It was about two weeks after they issued | 0:47:54 | 0:47:57 | |
the indictments against the two Libyans. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
'Back in 1991, Dr Swire came here to meet face-to-face | 0:48:00 | 0:48:04 | |
'with the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:07 | |
'Over the years, Swire worked hard to persuade Gaddafi to turn over | 0:48:07 | 0:48:12 | |
'the subjects, so the evidence could finally be heard in a proper court.' | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
NEWS REPORT: Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi was convicted | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
of 270 counts of murder and sentenced... | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
But during the course of the resulting trial, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
Swire says he became troubled by key elements of the prosecution case. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
The judges had found weaknesses in the identification of Megrahi | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
as the man who had bought the clothes wrapped around the bomb | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
and Swire believed the prosecution had failed to prove | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
the route that the bomb bag had taken to get onto Flight 103. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
And then there were deep questions that Swire and others would raise | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
about the legitimacy of the key piece of physical evidence in the case, | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
which they suspect was in some way not genuine. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
All of this in the end convinced Swire that Megrahi was innocent. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:58 | |
He began to meet with the convicted bomber in prison, | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
then started a public campaign for his release. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
I'm well aware that what we're doing is disturbing | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
to those who think they've found closure through | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
the conviction of the Libyan, Megrahi, but I think it would | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
be inhumane, indeed downright cruel, to keep a man in prison to die... | 0:49:15 | 0:49:21 | |
Please understand that I think what I'm doing is to seek the truth | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
and I also think that | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
if you would look with an open mind for yourselves, you would find | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
there's a great deal of truth there that you haven't yet looked at. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
We were perhaps a strange team. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
Dr Swire wanted a chance to say farewell to a man | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
he now considered a friend. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
And I wanted to meet a man I believed had helped murder his daughter | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
and my brother. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
The plan was to show up at Megrahi's house with Dr Swire. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
I was unlikely to get in, but if I did get my moment alone with Megrahi, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:30 | |
it was the kind of thing I felt I needed to capture. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
Suliman tried to discourage me from secret filming in Libya | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
and Dr Swire didn't know at all about my hidden camera. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
Oh, hello, this is Jim Swire. | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
This is Khaled. Oh, Khaled, hello. Oh, bless you, thank you. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
But I felt the situation was just unusual enough to justify it. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:53 | |
Hi. Hi. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
This is my friend... Hi. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
Megrahi's son Khaled came to greet us. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:01 | |
How is Baset today? | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
That would be great. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
The family was very sensitised by then to the media | 0:51:23 | 0:51:28 | |
and the reason they let me in... | 0:51:28 | 0:51:29 | |
I mean, they knew, you see, that Megrahi actually wanted to see me. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
But I couldn't get you past the entrance hall of the house. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:43 | |
I was taken straight into the room where Baset was lying in bed | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
and he was really drifting in and out of consciousness | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
but he smiled when he saw me come in. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
He held out a feeble hand to welcome me, as it were. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
And there were tears on both sides, actually. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
We both knew it was our last meeting. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
So you had gone in and had your meeting and I was thinking, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:12 | |
"What am I going to do?" | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
And I was shown by the 11-year-old to the bathroom, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:22 | |
knowing that to the left was Megrahi's room. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:27 | |
So I was ushered into the bathroom. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
What do I do? | 0:52:31 | 0:52:32 | |
And I'm washing my hands and I'm thinking, | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
"Am I going to make a scene?" The only person outside the door | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
"is his young son, am I going to push past him | 0:52:43 | 0:52:48 | |
"and go into the room and say, 'Did you murder my brother? | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
"'Tell me what you know before you die.'" | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
And I thought, "What is really going to come of that meeting?" | 0:52:56 | 0:53:00 | |
I had come in as your guest and as their guest. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
He was dying and he had made his position clear. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
And for a bunch of different reasons, I walked out. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
Thanks very much for your help. OK. Thank you very much. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
I never spoke directly to Megrahi, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:31 | |
but I did listen to his final messages to the world. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
NEWS REPORT: Some breaking news, the only person convicted in the 1988 | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
Lockerbie bombing has reportedly died. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
Megrahi always said that he would prove his innocence before he died. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
He was never able to do it. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
It always appeared that it was unlikely that one person could | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
have been behind such a complex operation and... | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
My idea had been to talk face-to-face with just one of the men | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
involved in my brother's bombing, | 0:54:22 | 0:54:23 | |
but after several trips to Libya, I'd come up short. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
Dr Swire might suggest that this was significant. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
There's no-one to talk to perhaps | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
because it wasn't primarily the Libyans who did it. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
But I wasn't prepared to accept this. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
I kept coming back to this video I'd gotten out of Libyan state TV. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:44 | |
I was convinced it confirmed key parts of the story of Lockerbie | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
if only I could fully understand it. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
First up the stairs was the man in the striped shirt, Zaid Rasi, | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
one of the men who originally ordered the timers from Edwin Bollier, | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
and there to pick him up at the airport was Abdullah Senussi, | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
the Libyan spy chief who was once convicted of the bombing | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
of a French passenger plane | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
and who was always suspected of a key planning role in Lockerbie. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
And then there was the man in the back seat, a mystery Libyan official. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
He must have been important to have been in the car at that moment, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
but who was he? | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
I couldn't help but suspect that he might be | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
the big remaining question mark on my list - | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
an elusive figure, whom investigators never fully explained. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
You mention this mysterious figure, I don't know how his name came into it. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:38 | |
Abu Agela Mas'ud? Yeah. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
Mas'ud's name came from the CIA. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
And I think the information we got was that he was a technical guy, | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
maybe he's the guy that hooked up the bomb, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
but he's one of those guys that we can never identify. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
When the Scots went to Libya in 1999, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
they asked about Mas'ud and they said, "We don't know who he is. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
"Can't identify him, no idea who this guy is." | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
The name of Abu Agela Mas'ud first surfaced during the investigation. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:08 | |
It came from a low-level Libyan intelligence agent | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
who secretly provided information to the CIA. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
In the days and weeks before Lockerbie, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
the witness observed Abdelbaset al-Megrahi travelling to the island | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
of Malta where the Lockerbie bomb is said to have originated | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
and travelling with him was the mystery man Abu Agela Mas'ud. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
The CIA suspected Megrahi | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
and Abu Agela of being on some type of technical intelligence operation, | 0:56:32 | 0:56:36 | |
very close to the time of Lockerbie, but that's all they seemed to know. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
Abu Agela had slipped through the investigators' net | 0:56:40 | 0:56:44 | |
and so did one last man on my list who | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
I suspected of playing a key planning role in the plot, Nassr Ashur. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
NEWS REPORT: ..Nassr Ashur as the key figure in a series | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
of arms smuggling operations. Gaddafi chose... | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
Ashur was Gaddafi's right-hand man | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
when it came to supplying Semtex plastic explosive | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
to Irish Republican Army terrorists in the years before Lockerbie. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
150 tonnes of weapons for the IRA, including two tonnes of Semtex. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:12 | |
In my years of work on this story, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
I only talked to one person who said he knew Colonel Ashur | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
and had actually worked with him testing bombs in the Libyan Desert. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
This was the thing that they tested in the desert? | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
Did anyone ever figure out when those tests were? | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
So Lockerbie was '88, so it was the year before. It was before. | 0:57:55 | 0:58:00 | |
So tell me about that. I was working in Libya in broadcasting. | 0:58:00 | 0:58:05 | |
We make new studios and somebody came from the military police, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:10 | |
"Can you come for two days into the desert?" | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
We make tests for something and so | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
and he bring me, and Nassr came, he bring me to this desert. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:22 | |
Bollier denies that these tests in the desert were related to Lockerbie, | 0:58:23 | 0:58:28 | |
but the tests did involve his timers and dropping bombs from airplanes. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:33 | |
And at the trial when Bollier was asked who exactly joined him | 0:58:33 | 0:58:37 | |
for these tests in the desert, he said a few Libyan colonels | 0:58:37 | 0:58:41 | |
were present, including Colonel Nassr Ashur, the explosives supplier. | 0:58:41 | 0:58:45 | |
Bollier said a dark-skinned man was at the tests as well. | 0:58:45 | 0:58:50 | |
He knew him only as Colonel Ibrahim, but I still wondered | 0:58:50 | 0:58:53 | |
if he was talking about the elusive bomb technician on my list. | 0:58:53 | 0:58:56 | |
I remembered about the black colonel also | 0:58:57 | 0:59:01 | |
when we make the tests in the desert. | 0:59:01 | 0:59:04 | |
Very dark skin? | 0:59:05 | 0:59:07 | |
Oh, he have dark skin. | 0:59:07 | 0:59:09 | |
And a small man, a small one. I don't know exactly. | 0:59:11 | 0:59:15 | |
Right, but what's interesting is the dark-skinned man seemed to | 0:59:16 | 0:59:19 | |
have been the technical adviser, travelling with Megrahi. | 0:59:19 | 0:59:23 | |
The name was... What's the name? | 0:59:23 | 0:59:26 | |
Mas'ud Abu Agela. Mas'ud Abu Agela... | 0:59:26 | 0:59:29 | |
No, I not know this man. | 0:59:29 | 0:59:32 | |
I have heard this name, possible... Sometimes hear... | 0:59:32 | 0:59:38 | |
Oh, you have heard the name? Mas'ud Abu Agela? | 0:59:38 | 0:59:42 | |
Possibly, I have heard the name. But... | 0:59:42 | 0:59:46 | |
'I couldn't be sure whether Bollier actually knew Abu Agela. | 0:59:46 | 0:59:50 | |
'But he did mention a dark-skinned man at several key points in the story.' | 0:59:50 | 0:59:55 | |
So here's the... This is about the test you're talking about. Yes. | 0:59:55 | 0:59:59 | |
A military base near Sebha. Sebha, yes. | 0:59:59 | 1:00:02 | |
"Bollier attended a meeting. | 1:00:02 | 1:00:04 | |
"A discussion centred on problems the Libyans were having with detonating bombs." Yeah. | 1:00:04 | 1:00:08 | |
These experiments in the desert | 1:00:08 | 1:00:10 | |
were two big container bombs by aeroplane. | 1:00:10 | 1:00:15 | |
And I have written that in the package was Semtex. | 1:00:15 | 1:00:20 | |
OK, can you see why it's suspicious if you were at a test in the desert | 1:00:20 | 1:00:24 | |
the year before Lockerbie, where they were using a timer | 1:00:24 | 1:00:29 | |
and detonating a bomb and there were members of the Libyan military? | 1:00:29 | 1:00:33 | |
There was this man, Colonel Nassr, | 1:00:33 | 1:00:35 | |
who turned out to be the man who was helping supply Semtex to the IRA. | 1:00:35 | 1:00:40 | |
You know, the Irish Republican Army. | 1:00:40 | 1:00:42 | |
Possibly, I have heard of this, yes. Yeah. | 1:00:42 | 1:00:44 | |
So, he's there and this dark-skinned man, he's there. | 1:00:44 | 1:00:48 | |
And then you're there. You know? This is why...it looks suspicious... | 1:00:48 | 1:00:53 | |
Yes. ..that you are helping the Libyans make the bomb that blew up Flight 103. | 1:00:53 | 1:00:58 | |
No, no, nothing. | 1:00:58 | 1:01:00 | |
No, no, no. No. No. | 1:01:00 | 1:01:02 | |
Talking to Bollier was frustrating, | 1:01:17 | 1:01:19 | |
but it did make me feel like I was getting closer to the truth. | 1:01:19 | 1:01:24 | |
He was linked with almost every man on my list, | 1:01:24 | 1:01:27 | |
but I just couldn't connect the dots. | 1:01:27 | 1:01:29 | |
Now I was back to work on the others. | 1:01:30 | 1:01:33 | |
The men I was looking for could be anywhere at this point. | 1:01:33 | 1:01:37 | |
I couldn't pick up any trace of the suspected bomb suspect, Abu Agela. | 1:01:37 | 1:01:42 | |
But I heard rumours that another of the men on my list, | 1:01:42 | 1:01:45 | |
someone with a record of supplying explosives to terrorists, | 1:01:45 | 1:01:48 | |
had fled the country, maybe to Cairo. | 1:01:48 | 1:01:53 | |
But his trail has gone cold too. | 1:01:53 | 1:01:54 | |
There was one major figure on my list who definitely fled the country. | 1:01:56 | 1:01:59 | |
And not long after my last trip into Libya, | 1:01:59 | 1:02:02 | |
he was finally captured and brought back for trial. | 1:02:02 | 1:02:05 | |
NEWS REPORT: It was a humbling return home for Abdullah al-Senussi. | 1:02:05 | 1:02:08 | |
Once one of the most feared people in the country, | 1:02:08 | 1:02:11 | |
now surrendered by Libyans chanting for justice and revenge. | 1:02:11 | 1:02:15 | |
Senussi is alleged to have been one of the masterminds | 1:02:15 | 1:02:17 | |
behind the Lockerbie attack. | 1:02:17 | 1:02:19 | |
I felt sure Senussi knew the truth about Lockerbie. | 1:02:19 | 1:02:24 | |
But would he ever tell it? | 1:02:24 | 1:02:26 | |
And what about the rest of these three dozen men on trial? | 1:02:26 | 1:02:29 | |
What did they know? | 1:02:29 | 1:02:31 | |
I knew only one person who had contact with | 1:02:32 | 1:02:34 | |
these former Gaddafi officials personally - | 1:02:34 | 1:02:37 | |
Libya expert, Hafed Al Ghwell. | 1:02:37 | 1:02:40 | |
These men believe, "I didn't do anything wrong. | 1:02:40 | 1:02:43 | |
"I was a part of a government, I represented my nation. | 1:02:43 | 1:02:47 | |
And, you know, "I don't believe I did anything wrong." | 1:02:47 | 1:02:52 | |
I mean, some of these guys killed for Gaddafi, | 1:02:54 | 1:02:58 | |
you know, in the '70s and '80s. | 1:02:58 | 1:03:01 | |
Gaddafi knew they will always be loyal to him. | 1:03:01 | 1:03:04 | |
Because everything they have comes from him. | 1:03:04 | 1:03:06 | |
NEWS REPORT: The Reagan administration sees Colonel Gaddafi | 1:03:08 | 1:03:11 | |
as public enemy number one because he supports worldwide terrorism. | 1:03:11 | 1:03:15 | |
This Mad Dog of the Middle East has a goal of a world revolution. | 1:03:15 | 1:03:20 | |
Muslim fundamentalist revolution... | 1:03:20 | 1:03:22 | |
The seeds of Lockerbie, I have come to believe, | 1:03:22 | 1:03:24 | |
were sown in the days when President Reagan and Muammar Gaddafi became | 1:03:24 | 1:03:27 | |
locked in an escalating war of words and attacks. | 1:03:27 | 1:03:30 | |
The leaders of the Western world have called you a terrorist, Colonel Gaddafi. | 1:03:30 | 1:03:34 | |
Dressed in a designer jumpsuit and sporting sunglasses... | 1:03:40 | 1:03:44 | |
How did this guy come to be known to Americans, you know, | 1:03:44 | 1:03:46 | |
as this almost cartoonish but dangerous figure? | 1:03:46 | 1:03:50 | |
This is the persona Gaddafi wanted. | 1:03:50 | 1:03:53 | |
"This is how I'm going to make a mark on the world stage." | 1:03:53 | 1:03:58 | |
And he started picking fights... | 1:03:58 | 1:04:01 | |
for no reason. | 1:04:01 | 1:04:02 | |
The finger of suspicion is pointing hard tonight at Muammar Gaddafi, the | 1:04:02 | 1:04:06 | |
Libyan leader, in connection with Wednesday's nightclub explosion. | 1:04:06 | 1:04:09 | |
..Friday's bloody terrorist attacks on airports in Vienna and Rome. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:12 | |
Mr Gaddafi must know that we'll hold him fully accountable | 1:04:12 | 1:04:16 | |
for terrorist operations against Americans. | 1:04:16 | 1:04:18 | |
Gaddafi picked the fight. It wasn't the US's fault. | 1:04:18 | 1:04:21 | |
The fault of the US is that it reacted to him. | 1:04:21 | 1:04:25 | |
It was called operation El Dorado Canyon. | 1:04:27 | 1:04:29 | |
The attack on Libya almost 24 hours ago has left many Libyans | 1:04:29 | 1:04:33 | |
dead or injured. | 1:04:33 | 1:04:34 | |
Last night's raid took a heavy toll here. Libyan officials admit... | 1:04:34 | 1:04:37 | |
I warned Colonel Gaddafi we would hold his regime accountable. | 1:04:37 | 1:04:41 | |
He did open hostilities and we closed them. | 1:04:41 | 1:04:45 | |
Libyan radio was recorded as saying that one of Muammar Gaddafi's | 1:04:45 | 1:04:49 | |
houses was hit... | 1:04:49 | 1:04:50 | |
The bombing of '86, it had a huge impact on Gaddafi's psyche. | 1:04:50 | 1:04:55 | |
If the Americans were trying to wipe out Colonel Gaddafi's home, they couldn't have got much closer. | 1:04:55 | 1:05:00 | |
It was a ten-minute bombing raid. He disappeared underground. | 1:05:00 | 1:05:06 | |
Even his inner circle did not know exactly where he was | 1:05:06 | 1:05:09 | |
for about three and a half months. | 1:05:09 | 1:05:11 | |
And I know somebody who saw him during that period. | 1:05:11 | 1:05:14 | |
He said he was completely devastated. | 1:05:14 | 1:05:16 | |
He was in a massive depression and could not believe that... | 1:05:16 | 1:05:23 | |
No matter what, this is politics. | 1:05:23 | 1:05:26 | |
"Why are they trying to kill me and kill my family?" | 1:05:26 | 1:05:29 | |
Abu Shalgam, one of Colonel Gaddafi's most senior diplomats, | 1:05:29 | 1:05:33 | |
ready to talk about revenge. | 1:05:33 | 1:05:35 | |
We said that we will attack any place. | 1:05:35 | 1:05:38 | |
I think I am clear. I am speaking clearly. | 1:05:38 | 1:05:41 | |
Abdel Rahman Shalgam later renounced Gaddafi. | 1:05:41 | 1:05:44 | |
But as Libya's ambassador in Rome back in 1986, | 1:05:44 | 1:05:47 | |
he threatened revenge for the US attack. | 1:05:47 | 1:05:49 | |
This is the largest Libyan People's Bureau in Europe... | 1:05:49 | 1:05:51 | |
He said Libyan embassies around the world were put on alert to | 1:05:51 | 1:05:55 | |
look for American targets. | 1:05:55 | 1:05:56 | |
And so the message was, "There will be revenge"? Exactly. | 1:06:06 | 1:06:11 | |
The mass funeral was for victims of Monday night's air raid. | 1:06:11 | 1:06:14 | |
Coffins were carried along to anti-American chants... | 1:06:14 | 1:06:16 | |
And you mentioned someone pledging revenge. Yeah. Said Rashid. | 1:06:26 | 1:06:30 | |
You said if Libya was involved in Lockerbie, Said Rashid could | 1:06:59 | 1:07:02 | |
have organised it. Yeah, exactly. | 1:07:02 | 1:07:06 | |
He could plan out the different parts of a complicated operation? Exactly. | 1:07:20 | 1:07:24 | |
Shalgam said he tried often to get answers about Lockerbie from key | 1:07:24 | 1:07:30 | |
members of the Gaddafi inner circle, like Abdullah Senussi. | 1:07:30 | 1:07:33 | |
About Lockerbie? About Lockerbie. | 1:07:38 | 1:07:40 | |
But Shalgam was much more certain about the Libyan role | 1:07:51 | 1:07:54 | |
in another attack against the Americans, | 1:07:54 | 1:07:56 | |
two and half years before Lockerbie. | 1:07:56 | 1:07:59 | |
The La Belle disco? | 1:08:05 | 1:08:08 | |
It was around 2am when the bomb went off | 1:08:08 | 1:08:11 | |
in the crowded La Belle discotheque. | 1:08:11 | 1:08:13 | |
Police say there were about 500 people inside, | 1:08:13 | 1:08:16 | |
many of them off-duty US soldiers. | 1:08:16 | 1:08:19 | |
The cycle of revenge that ended in Lockerbie likely began | 1:08:19 | 1:08:22 | |
here in Germany, when US servicemen at a Berlin nightclub | 1:08:22 | 1:08:27 | |
were attacked in April of 1986. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:30 | |
The evidence is now conclusive | 1:08:30 | 1:08:32 | |
that the terrorist bombing of La Belle discotheque was planned | 1:08:32 | 1:08:36 | |
and executed under the direct orders of the Libyan regime. | 1:08:36 | 1:08:39 | |
Orders were sent from Tripoli... | 1:08:39 | 1:08:41 | |
What interested me were clues that several of the men on my list | 1:08:41 | 1:08:45 | |
were also involved in the disco bombing. | 1:08:45 | 1:08:48 | |
Said Rashid seems to have led the attack but was never prosecuted. | 1:08:48 | 1:08:52 | |
But there was another man who worked for him on the disco bombing, | 1:08:52 | 1:08:56 | |
and this man would ultimately become the most significant figure | 1:08:56 | 1:08:59 | |
in my search for answers about Lockerbie. | 1:08:59 | 1:09:01 | |
Police have arrested a Libyan man suspected in the 1986 bombing | 1:09:01 | 1:09:06 | |
of a discotheque in Berlin. | 1:09:06 | 1:09:08 | |
A bombing widely seen as an attack against the United States. | 1:09:08 | 1:09:12 | |
The man's name - Musbah Abulgasem Eter. | 1:09:12 | 1:09:16 | |
The disco where the bomb went off was a hang-out for US... | 1:09:16 | 1:09:19 | |
As it happened, I was able to track down Musbah Eter | 1:09:19 | 1:09:22 | |
in Berlin in 2012, and he was willing to talk with me. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:25 | |
TRANSLATION: | 1:09:25 | 1:09:28 | |
Musbah Eter had spent years in a German prison for the disco bombing. | 1:09:45 | 1:09:49 | |
I tried myself to understand Eter's past. | 1:09:49 | 1:09:52 | |
Musbah Eter arrived in Germany in 1984, | 1:09:55 | 1:09:58 | |
an intelligence operative working undercover at the Libyan Embassy | 1:09:58 | 1:10:02 | |
along with dozens of others, all of whom were under | 1:10:02 | 1:10:05 | |
surveillance by the East German secret police, the Stasi. | 1:10:05 | 1:10:08 | |
By late March of 1986, | 1:10:09 | 1:10:11 | |
Eter was deeply involved with the plot to bomb the Berlin disco. | 1:10:11 | 1:10:15 | |
Some ten years later, he confessed to the German authorities. | 1:10:15 | 1:10:20 | |
And it was in that confession where Eter first mentioned a Libyan | 1:10:20 | 1:10:24 | |
bomb expert who played a key role in the plot. | 1:10:24 | 1:10:28 | |
Eter described a Libyan who brought the bomb | 1:10:28 | 1:10:31 | |
and instructed him how to assemble it, how to put it together, | 1:10:31 | 1:10:40 | |
There was a Libyan bomb expert? | 1:10:40 | 1:10:43 | |
A Libyan bomb expert, yes. Do you remember the name of that person? | 1:10:43 | 1:10:48 | |
Eter always referred to him as "Abugela". | 1:10:48 | 1:10:53 | |
And, of course, sorry, as a German prosecutor, | 1:10:53 | 1:10:57 | |
I have no idea how to spell Abugela. | 1:10:57 | 1:11:00 | |
I would probably spell it like "jelly" or something. | 1:11:00 | 1:11:04 | |
So I asked him, put it down, please. | 1:11:04 | 1:11:07 | |
And this is what he did. | 1:11:07 | 1:11:09 | |
And he wrote "neger" - black skin. | 1:11:09 | 1:11:12 | |
But here, in German, | 1:11:12 | 1:11:14 | |
it doesn't have the negative meaning it has in the US. | 1:11:14 | 1:11:19 | |
And that's the only description he wrote there of him, | 1:11:20 | 1:11:23 | |
so it must be as most important feature? Yes, yes. | 1:11:23 | 1:11:26 | |
That he is very dark-skinned? Mm-hm, yeah. | 1:11:26 | 1:11:30 | |
Eter's story was credible, it was highly accurate | 1:11:30 | 1:11:34 | |
and it fit in with the information we had obtained | 1:11:34 | 1:11:39 | |
through the Stasi files. | 1:11:39 | 1:11:41 | |
Danke schoen. | 1:11:42 | 1:11:45 | |
More La Belle files? Yes, this is only part of it. | 1:11:45 | 1:11:49 | |
The Stasi had a lot of information about the Libyans? | 1:11:49 | 1:11:52 | |
The Stasi had a lot of information on the Libyans... | 1:11:52 | 1:11:54 | |
'The East German secret police, the Stasi, | 1:11:54 | 1:11:57 | |
'kept a close watch on the Libyans in East Berlin back in the 1980s. | 1:11:57 | 1:12:02 | |
'And they had the La Belle suspects under close surveillance | 1:12:02 | 1:12:05 | |
'before and after the bombing. | 1:12:05 | 1:12:06 | |
'A lot of the more sensitive files they compiled were likely destroyed. | 1:12:08 | 1:12:12 | |
'But enough were preserved to help make the case against the Libyans for La Belle, | 1:12:12 | 1:12:17 | |
'and I was hoping there were still enough documents left to make | 1:12:17 | 1:12:20 | |
'the key link to Lockerbie.' | 1:12:20 | 1:12:22 | |
Could we see one, then? | 1:12:22 | 1:12:25 | |
To my surprise, | 1:12:25 | 1:12:26 | |
I was able to find Abu Agela's name all over the Stasi files. | 1:12:26 | 1:12:30 | |
After the disco bombing, it seemed, | 1:12:30 | 1:12:33 | |
he stayed in room 526 at Berlin's Metropol Hotel. | 1:12:33 | 1:12:37 | |
He used various codenames and aliases, but the Stasi was | 1:12:37 | 1:12:42 | |
also able to record his real Libyan passport number - 835004. | 1:12:42 | 1:12:48 | |
And this number turned out to be exactly what I was looking for. | 1:12:48 | 1:12:52 | |
The missing piece of a puzzle I had been trying to assemble for years. | 1:12:52 | 1:12:56 | |
You know, I looked at the Stasi files and I was surprised to see this, | 1:12:56 | 1:13:00 | |
Abu Agela and his passport number there, | 1:13:00 | 1:13:03 | |
because in the Lockerbie case, | 1:13:03 | 1:13:05 | |
there were CIA cables that describe Abu Agela's name and his role | 1:13:05 | 1:13:08 | |
and showed his passport number and there was a match. | 1:13:08 | 1:13:12 | |
Would that surprise you, that the bomb expert in La Belle | 1:13:12 | 1:13:16 | |
was also involved in Lockerbie? | 1:13:16 | 1:13:18 | |
Of course, I'm not surprised that Abugela would also do the same | 1:13:18 | 1:13:23 | |
for other bombs, including Lockerbie. | 1:13:23 | 1:13:27 | |
So what did all this really mean? | 1:13:30 | 1:13:33 | |
I kept coming back to those images I had gotten from state TV in Libya. | 1:13:33 | 1:13:37 | |
More specifically, I was focused on the man I believe was Abu Agela | 1:13:37 | 1:13:41 | |
there in the back seat, greeting Megrahi when he returned home. | 1:13:41 | 1:13:46 | |
Records show that Megrahi and Abu Agela were travelling on | 1:13:46 | 1:13:50 | |
the same flight several times before Lockerbie, flying in | 1:13:50 | 1:13:53 | |
and out of the island of Malta where the bomb was said to have originated. | 1:13:53 | 1:13:57 | |
In the days and weeks before the bombing, | 1:13:57 | 1:14:00 | |
the CIA's informant at the Malta airport suspected that Megrahi | 1:14:00 | 1:14:04 | |
and Abu Agela were planning some type of special operation. | 1:14:04 | 1:14:07 | |
We absolutely were convinced that he was involved | 1:14:08 | 1:14:11 | |
and that he may have been the guy that wired up the bomb, | 1:14:11 | 1:14:14 | |
that did all the technical stuff for the explosive. | 1:14:14 | 1:14:17 | |
But we had no other... We didn't know who else he was. Right. | 1:14:17 | 1:14:22 | |
Basically, this CIA assessment tells a story. | 1:14:22 | 1:14:24 | |
'I walked the original Lockerbie investigators through | 1:14:24 | 1:14:27 | |
'the trail that led me to the Libyan bomb expert.' | 1:14:27 | 1:14:30 | |
And Mas'ud Abu Agela. | 1:14:30 | 1:14:33 | |
Passport number - 835004. | 1:14:33 | 1:14:35 | |
It is the same as the Stasi documents. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:39 | |
So, Megrahi is travelling twice before Lockerbie | 1:14:39 | 1:14:43 | |
with the bomb expert from La Belle disco. | 1:14:43 | 1:14:46 | |
That is pretty interesting. | 1:14:46 | 1:14:48 | |
It would have been great to have known all that. | 1:14:48 | 1:14:51 | |
That's amazing. | 1:14:53 | 1:14:55 | |
So, during the La Belle investigation, | 1:14:55 | 1:14:57 | |
they find some Stasi documents. This is from April '86. | 1:14:57 | 1:15:00 | |
This is the week after La Belle disco. | 1:15:00 | 1:15:03 | |
And then you find this name. | 1:15:03 | 1:15:05 | |
Hmm. | 1:15:07 | 1:15:09 | |
And you find the passport number. 835004. Is that the same? | 1:15:09 | 1:15:14 | |
Yes, it certainly is! There is a solid connection here. | 1:15:14 | 1:15:18 | |
There's the same passport number... It is a hell of a coincidence. | 1:15:18 | 1:15:22 | |
And there is a witness in Berlin. | 1:15:22 | 1:15:25 | |
His name is Musbah Eter. | 1:15:25 | 1:15:28 | |
He is the Libyan who confessed in the La Belle case who names Abu Agela. | 1:15:28 | 1:15:32 | |
He looks like this. | 1:15:32 | 1:15:33 | |
And what does he say? | 1:15:35 | 1:15:37 | |
He says basically Abu Agela armed the bomb for the La Belle disco. | 1:15:37 | 1:15:40 | |
Yeah. It is in German, but I will give you from the English side. | 1:15:40 | 1:15:45 | |
I mean... You know, if agents brought me this now and, | 1:15:45 | 1:15:48 | |
you know, I'm not there, | 1:15:48 | 1:15:50 | |
I don't know what the... But as a prosecutor assessing... | 1:15:50 | 1:15:54 | |
You go talk to this guy, you find out what he says, | 1:15:54 | 1:15:56 | |
you get his story down, | 1:15:56 | 1:15:58 | |
you try and figure out how you can corroborate him. | 1:15:58 | 1:16:01 | |
I returned to Berlin several times to learn more from Musbah Eter. | 1:16:05 | 1:16:09 | |
At this point, I told him my brother had been killed | 1:16:09 | 1:16:13 | |
in the Lockerbie bombing | 1:16:13 | 1:16:14 | |
and that I was hoping he might be able to help me find the truth. | 1:16:14 | 1:16:17 | |
He took me to the building | 1:16:22 | 1:16:24 | |
where he and Abu Agela had worked together in the mid-1980s. | 1:16:24 | 1:16:27 | |
I was hoping he would tell me more about Lockerbie. | 1:16:39 | 1:16:41 | |
But then, in the middle of our filming, | 1:16:41 | 1:16:44 | |
Eter struck up a conversation | 1:16:44 | 1:16:46 | |
with a businessman who now worked at the old embassy. | 1:16:46 | 1:16:48 | |
Eter persuaded the businessman to take him inside. | 1:17:25 | 1:17:28 | |
And back in his old office, | 1:17:30 | 1:17:31 | |
Eter kept getting deeper into the details of what he had done here. | 1:17:31 | 1:17:35 | |
Libya has descended into its worst violence | 1:18:37 | 1:18:40 | |
since the uprising that ousted Muammar Gaddafi three years ago. | 1:18:40 | 1:18:44 | |
The news from Libya was consistently grim. | 1:18:44 | 1:18:48 | |
Some people I talked to there quietly longed for the order | 1:18:48 | 1:18:51 | |
of the old regime. | 1:18:51 | 1:18:52 | |
In Libya, a trial has begun for the sons of Muammar Gaddafi | 1:18:52 | 1:18:56 | |
and more than two dozen of his ex-officials. | 1:18:56 | 1:18:59 | |
At the same time in Tripoli, | 1:18:59 | 1:19:01 | |
the new government was continuing its trial of former Gaddafi officials. | 1:19:01 | 1:19:05 | |
Ex-spy chief Abdullah al-Senussi was among the defendants | 1:19:05 | 1:19:08 | |
fenced off behind bars. | 1:19:08 | 1:19:10 | |
From corruption to war crimes related to the 2011 uprising... | 1:19:10 | 1:19:15 | |
The Libyans were interested in crimes committed during the revolution. | 1:19:15 | 1:19:18 | |
But I was listening at home for details about the men on my list. | 1:19:18 | 1:19:22 | |
Then, in the middle of the trial, | 1:19:24 | 1:19:26 | |
a photo arrived by e-mail from Musbah Eter. | 1:19:26 | 1:19:29 | |
It was poor quality and came with no explanation, | 1:19:31 | 1:19:34 | |
but in the centre of the frame was a dark-skinned man. | 1:19:34 | 1:19:38 | |
The blue jumpsuit and prison bars made it pretty clear that he | 1:19:38 | 1:19:42 | |
was one of the men on trial in Tripoli. | 1:19:42 | 1:19:46 | |
So I went looking for every photo I could find of these men on trial. | 1:19:46 | 1:19:50 | |
And there in one of them, behind Abdullah Senussi, | 1:19:50 | 1:19:53 | |
the former intelligence chief, was the dark-skinned man. | 1:19:53 | 1:19:57 | |
The more I looked, the more photos I found of him. | 1:19:59 | 1:20:04 | |
I captured these images and sent them to Musbah Eter in Berlin. | 1:20:04 | 1:20:09 | |
He said this was indeed the bomb expert Abu Agela. 100%. | 1:20:09 | 1:20:13 | |
It was hard to believe I was now looking at the man | 1:20:18 | 1:20:20 | |
I had been trying to find for so many years. | 1:20:20 | 1:20:24 | |
But I still wanted more confirmation, so I connected with a human rights | 1:20:24 | 1:20:29 | |
worker who had been monitoring the trials in Libya. | 1:20:29 | 1:20:32 | |
Hi, Ken. Hey, how are you? | 1:20:32 | 1:20:34 | |
We can attempt cameras but I'm not sure it's going to... | 1:20:34 | 1:20:37 | |
'I told her I was looking for. | 1:20:37 | 1:20:40 | |
'At first she couldn't find Abu Agela's name on the list. | 1:20:40 | 1:20:43 | |
'But then...' | 1:20:43 | 1:20:45 | |
Wait, wait. Wait, I have a name. | 1:20:45 | 1:20:47 | |
It is just written slightly differently. | 1:20:47 | 1:20:50 | |
What does it look like to you? | 1:20:50 | 1:20:52 | |
I think it's defendant number 28 in this case. | 1:20:52 | 1:20:56 | |
So his first name is Abu A'ujilah, that would be his first name. | 1:20:56 | 1:20:59 | |
Mm-hmm. | 1:20:59 | 1:21:00 | |
And to my understanding, the biggest case against him seems to be | 1:21:00 | 1:21:06 | |
the bomb-making in relation to the 2011 conflict. | 1:21:06 | 1:21:10 | |
Charges of setting up bombs and vehicles. Wow. | 1:21:11 | 1:21:15 | |
That sounds like him. Yeah. | 1:21:15 | 1:21:17 | |
I would say that is for sure the same person. | 1:21:17 | 1:21:20 | |
I'm interested in the story that connects La Belle, Lockerbie... | 1:21:27 | 1:21:30 | |
So, I am mainly responsible for collecting evidence. | 1:21:30 | 1:21:34 | |
Well, that is really what I am interested in. | 1:21:34 | 1:21:37 | |
'I made contact with a German lawyer who had extensive files | 1:21:37 | 1:21:39 | |
'on Libyan terror operations.' | 1:21:39 | 1:21:42 | |
I am deeply interested in all the nitty-gritty of who did what | 1:21:42 | 1:21:45 | |
and there is one person I think whose name comes up... | 1:21:45 | 1:21:48 | |
What is his name? | 1:21:48 | 1:21:49 | |
Mas'ud Abu Agela. Yeah, yeah. | 1:21:49 | 1:21:52 | |
We have been checking the finals | 1:21:52 | 1:21:54 | |
but we haven't found anything on this name. | 1:21:54 | 1:21:57 | |
What I would suggest is that we meet each other... | 1:21:57 | 1:22:00 | |
The lawyer was willing to help me track the bomb expert, | 1:22:00 | 1:22:03 | |
Abu Agela, who he said was still wanted for the disco bombing. | 1:22:03 | 1:22:07 | |
The lawyer was also interested in the link to Lockerbie. | 1:22:07 | 1:22:11 | |
In both cases, the key witness would turn out to be | 1:22:11 | 1:22:14 | |
the lawyer's client, Musbah Eter. | 1:22:14 | 1:22:16 | |
Since my last trip to Berlin, I learned the US government | 1:22:18 | 1:22:21 | |
had contacted Eter. | 1:22:21 | 1:22:23 | |
They had apparently heard about the link I had found between him, | 1:22:23 | 1:22:27 | |
the Libyan bomb expert and Lockerbie. | 1:22:27 | 1:22:29 | |
I believe that the law enforcement people, | 1:22:31 | 1:22:35 | |
they are motivated and they take it very serious. | 1:22:35 | 1:22:41 | |
'Andreas Schulz is Musbah Eter's lawyer. | 1:22:41 | 1:22:45 | |
'He was careful not to reveal too many details | 1:22:45 | 1:22:47 | |
'of the ongoing investigation.' | 1:22:47 | 1:22:49 | |
The competent authority in the US is the FBI for this case | 1:22:49 | 1:22:53 | |
and that means that the FBI was here. | 1:22:53 | 1:22:56 | |
How about Lockerbie? Recently, yes. | 1:22:56 | 1:22:58 | |
But the main problem is time. | 1:22:58 | 1:23:01 | |
Time is running against the investigation | 1:23:01 | 1:23:04 | |
because these people are at a certain age. | 1:23:04 | 1:23:07 | |
But, you know, this is in the hands of the US authorities. | 1:23:07 | 1:23:11 | |
We put all the power and capability the US has... | 1:23:11 | 1:23:15 | |
I think there are always ways to get a hand on the culprits | 1:23:15 | 1:23:21 | |
of Lockerbie, so it is a question of their political will. | 1:23:21 | 1:23:27 | |
Since the bombing in 1988, | 1:23:30 | 1:23:33 | |
the FBI has maintained Lockerbie as an open case. | 1:23:33 | 1:23:36 | |
But to my knowledge, they never found a witness with real | 1:23:36 | 1:23:40 | |
first-hand information about the plot. | 1:23:40 | 1:23:42 | |
That is until they apparently became aware of my reporting | 1:23:43 | 1:23:46 | |
about Musbah Eter, then requested to meet with him | 1:23:46 | 1:23:49 | |
several times at the US Embassy in Berlin. | 1:23:49 | 1:23:51 | |
It was in these meetings, I later found out, | 1:23:53 | 1:23:58 | |
Eter told the FBI that he had no doubt that Lockerbie was | 1:24:01 | 1:24:04 | |
carried out by Libyan intelligence. | 1:24:04 | 1:24:06 | |
He said the operation was led by Said Rashid, | 1:24:06 | 1:24:13 | |
with at least double the casualties. | 1:24:13 | 1:24:15 | |
During the year before Lockerbie, Eter said, | 1:24:17 | 1:24:19 | |
Rashid hatched a plan to take down a US plane. | 1:24:19 | 1:24:22 | |
He said Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was part of these early discussions | 1:24:22 | 1:24:26 | |
and would be a key member of the team that would carry it out. | 1:24:26 | 1:24:31 | |
Most significantly, Eter said he had conversations with | 1:24:31 | 1:24:34 | |
the technical expert who he had worked with on the disco bombing, | 1:24:34 | 1:24:37 | |
Abu Agela, | 1:24:37 | 1:24:39 | |
and that Abu Agela personally told him | 1:24:39 | 1:24:41 | |
that he had helped carry out Lockerbie. | 1:24:41 | 1:24:44 | |
Abu Agela apparently also took responsibility for La Belle | 1:24:45 | 1:24:48 | |
and the bombing of a French passenger plane that killed 170 people. | 1:24:48 | 1:24:52 | |
If he said these things and there are facts to back up | 1:24:53 | 1:24:57 | |
some of the things he says, and it sounds like there are, | 1:24:57 | 1:25:01 | |
I don't know why they would not want to bring that to court. | 1:25:01 | 1:25:04 | |
Right. | 1:25:04 | 1:25:05 | |
If there is somebody alive today that was involved in this | 1:25:07 | 1:25:11 | |
and there is knowledge of that, we should be going after them. | 1:25:11 | 1:25:17 | |
We should be going after them. | 1:25:17 | 1:25:18 | |
We would have gone after them in 1991, | 1:25:18 | 1:25:22 | |
especially if we have this kind of information. | 1:25:22 | 1:25:25 | |
We would have indicted, certainly would have indicted him. | 1:25:25 | 1:25:28 | |
When it came to Abu Agela, the original Lockerbie investigators did | 1:25:31 | 1:25:35 | |
gather important evidence that they were never able to use against him. | 1:25:35 | 1:25:39 | |
This evidence centred around the airport in Malta | 1:25:39 | 1:25:42 | |
just off the Libyan coast where the bomb was said to have originated. | 1:25:42 | 1:25:46 | |
Here, they found the landing card that showed Abu Agela had entered | 1:25:46 | 1:25:51 | |
Malta the week before the bombing, complete with the passport number | 1:25:51 | 1:25:54 | |
that matched the CIA and Stasi records. | 1:25:54 | 1:25:57 | |
They even had Abu Agela's fingerprints. | 1:25:57 | 1:26:00 | |
Then they found the passenger list for the flight that Abu Agela | 1:26:02 | 1:26:05 | |
took home to Tripoli the day of the bombing, | 1:26:05 | 1:26:07 | |
possibly after helping arm the device that was then sent on to fight 103. | 1:26:07 | 1:26:11 | |
Joining Abu Agela on that flight was Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, | 1:26:13 | 1:26:17 | |
who was travelling under a known alias. | 1:26:17 | 1:26:19 | |
All of this evidence was gathered years ago | 1:26:21 | 1:26:24 | |
but it took Musbah Eter's statements in Berlin | 1:26:24 | 1:26:27 | |
to apparently tie it all together and potentially | 1:26:27 | 1:26:30 | |
generate the first new charges in the case in some 25 years. | 1:26:30 | 1:26:34 | |
The more we go deeper into this, the more we realise | 1:26:37 | 1:26:41 | |
we were always on the right track and we were always right about this. | 1:26:41 | 1:26:44 | |
Right. But how does that make you feel? Like... | 1:26:44 | 1:26:47 | |
I mean, where are we now? I don't know. | 1:26:47 | 1:26:50 | |
It has gone, you know, about as far as I can go. | 1:26:50 | 1:26:53 | |
You know, what happened inside that embassy, it is out of my hands | 1:26:53 | 1:26:57 | |
and Eter is now potentially a witness in a federal case. | 1:26:57 | 1:27:03 | |
He is not a guy in my movie any more. | 1:27:03 | 1:27:07 | |
I think you have pushed as hard as you can push. This is... | 1:27:07 | 1:27:12 | |
Maybe this is as far as you can go, so... | 1:27:12 | 1:27:15 | |
The whole purpose of finding them was to come face-to-face, | 1:27:19 | 1:27:23 | |
sit there with someone and say, | 1:27:23 | 1:27:26 | |
"You know you killed my brother, and he was a real person | 1:27:26 | 1:27:30 | |
"and I loved him and other people loved him | 1:27:30 | 1:27:33 | |
"and you shouldn't have done that." Yeah. | 1:27:33 | 1:27:35 |