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NEWS REPORTS: 'Disaster at Christmas.

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'Pan Am Flight 103 had been in the air for an hour.

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'For reasons we do not yet understand, the plane,

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'with 50,000 gallons of fuel on board,

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'plunged into the small Scottish town...'

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'..Lockerbie with liquid fire.'

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'The fuselage reportedly split in two...'

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'There is very little hope, I would have thought,

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'for anybody who was in a plane.

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'When it did come to earth, it hit very hard.'

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Scene four, take one.

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Action.

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I mean, for some time the impression has been growing upon me

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that everyone is dead.

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The aspiring novelist had wanted to surprise his family with

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an early arrival home.

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Instead he wound up on the doomed Flight 103 and never made it.

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Somewhere in Scotland, Lockerbie...

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you're looking for your notebook, a pen.

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It's there in the debris.

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I remember you, you know, giving the memorial,

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and we thought it was great you were reading letters from David.

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You know, I get the sense that you kind of look up to him,

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and he was older but he thought so highly of you.

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NEWS REPORTS: 'Only one man was ever convicted for the crime, a Libyan,

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'who was to spend the rest of his life in prison.

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'WAS to spend the rest of his life.

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'Today the government of Scotland released Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.'

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'The Libyan intelligence agent is dying of prostate cancer.

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'Scottish officials are granting him

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'what they call a compassionate release.'

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'Relatives of the victims are outraged...'

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And then I saw the motorcade covered from every angle.

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'..just eight years of a life sentence...'

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And the only person ever convicted of the bombing of Flight 103,

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the murder of your daughter, my brother...

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NEWS REPORT: 'Tonight, the Lockerbie bomber flew home...'

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..and watching him go free live on television!

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'..a dying man or mass-murderer set free...'

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I'm asking myself, is the murderer getting away?

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And how far would I go to find out whether he is who he seems to be?

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When David died, I was 19 years old.

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I was home from college for Christmas break

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and my sister was on her way home as well.

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My father took the call from the airline and I sat with him

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as we got the news that David was gone.

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'The relatives of some of those who died

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'have arrived in Britain from America.'

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Many families flew immediately to Lockerbie, but mine stayed home.

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The bombing became a topic we could never manage to discuss.

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'..tonight that Flight 103 fell out of the sky,

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'leaving a 100-mile trail of twisted wreckage and 270 victims.

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'Today, investigators said the evidence was conclusive -

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'it was a bomb.'

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'The centre of the search is the crater which was gouged out

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'of the ground by the Pan American jet.'

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'President Reagan said the US would make every effort to find out

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'who bombed the Pan Am jet.'

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REAGAN: I have been following quite closely

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the details of the Pan Am 103 tragedy,

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and now that we know definitely that it was a bomb.

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We're going to make every effort we can to find out who was guilty.

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I would hope to God that our government would definitely

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take a long hard look at this,

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because we don't...

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The group of relatives quickly became public campaigners

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for the truth about Lockerbie.

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NEWS REPORT: 'Jim Swire said, "We're not going to go away

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'"until we get what we want."

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Among the most prominent and controversial was a British doctor

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named Jim Swire, who'd lost his 23-year-old daughter.

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I remember the hair on the back of my neck standing up the first time

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someone in the media actually use the word "murder".

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I remember the impact of that word.

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The concept that my lovely daughter should have been murdered.

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NEWS REPORT: 'The finger of suspicion is pointing at radical Palestinian groups,

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'men who see violence as the only way...'

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Early theories pin the bombing on a terror group based in Syria

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and backed by Iran.

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'Top of the list is Ahmed Jibril, Syrian-backed head of the radical...'

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But what role if any Iran played in the plot remains unclear.

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And I grew quietly obsessed with the mystery.

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'Yet another week of investigation into the bombing of Pan Am

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'Flight 103 is nearly at an end and it is laborious.'

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'Questions - when and how was the bomb placed on the plane

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'and who did it?'

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OK, are we all set?

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Good morning. HE CLEARS HIS THROAT

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For three years, the United States and Scotland have been conducting

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one of the most exhaustive and complex investigations in history.

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Finally, there is a press conference.

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Now they're saying, "We've gotten the results

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"and we're going to tell you who we believe did it and why."

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Yes, we saw the statement being put out in America.

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Today we are announcing an indictment in the case.

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'It was an exciting moment

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'because there's the assumption that we're going to find out the truth.'

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We charge that two Libyan officials,

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acting as operatives of the Libyan intelligence service,

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along with other co-conspirators, planted

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and detonated the bomb that destroyed Pan Am Flight 103.

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NEWS REPORT: 'Murder warrants are out tonight for two Libyan spies.

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'They are now formally charged with bombing Pan Am Flight 103

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'out of the sky over Lockerbie, Scotland.'

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There are these two men. Libyan operatives of some kind.

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And you hear their names for the first time.

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Abdelbaset al-Megrahi. Mm-hm.

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Lhamen Fhimah.

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'Abdelbaset al-Megrahi is accused of being the mastermind of the Pan Am 103 bombing.'

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I remember the story coming on and trying to feel something about this.

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My God, it was Libya!

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And I remember trying to work up a sense of the proper hatred

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for these two men. Yes.

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The plot reportedly came down to a bomb built into a radio

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cassette player packed with Semtex explosive.

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It was the Libyans who were accused of buying

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the clothes in the bomb bag and getting it all onto Flight 103.

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'Two Libyans are on trial at a court set up in the Netherlands.

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'They've always insisted they are innocent.'

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It would take almost ten years before the suspects were turned over

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and families like mine were finally able to hear the evidence.

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And when it was all over, the verdict was a disappointingly mixed bag.

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'A split decision. For Lhamen Fhimah, acquittal.

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'But Abdelbaset al-Megrahi found guilty as charged.

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'The court ruled...'

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Would I like to have tried the case in the United States? Sure.

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But I don't know what more we could have done.

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Brian Murtagh was one of the top US prosecutors on the case.

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I believe that the evidence was there to convict Megrahi correctly

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and to sustain his conviction.

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I wish Fhimah had been convicted

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because I think the same should be said of him.

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But, you know, the judges didn't see it that way.

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'After waiting 12 years...it was some level of justice.

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Obviously...you can never bring your kid back.

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NEWS REPORT: 'Over and over today, 'the family members wanted to know,

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'will the US now pursue Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi?

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CHEERING

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The theory was that Lockerbie had been revenge for the US

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bombing of Libya back in 1986.

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'One of Gaddafi's houses was hit...'

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But Gaddafi always denied a role in Pan Am 103.

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His government claimed to have been pressured into paying money to

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families like mine and issuing a carefully worded statement.

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But they never took real responsibility for the bombing,

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and the story, to me, never felt truly felt finished.

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Some 20 years after the bombing, I was no longer David's little brother.

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I was married with two kids

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and working on documentaries for Frontline, in Boston.

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EXCITED CHATTER

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When the kids were very young,

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I wrote a book about David's brief life,

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but I'd largely put my questions about his death out of my mind.

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Then, in the summer of 2009,

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something unexpected happened that brought it all back.

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'There is a possibility tonight that the only person convicted

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'in the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie,

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'Scotland, might soon go free after just ten years in prison.

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'Some relatives of the 270 victims are outraged.'

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The one man convicted for the bombing was diagnosed with cancer

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and was said to have just three months to live.

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'..dying of prostate cancer.

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'Scottish officials are considering granting him

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'what they call a compassionate release.'

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'It was a decision met with outrage at the highest levels.'

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'We have been in contact with the Scottish government

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'indicating that we objected to this.

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'And we thought it was a mistake.'

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'President Obama said the US deeply regrets the decision

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'and warned Libya not to give him a hero's welcome.

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'The Libyans weren't listening.'

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'Megrahi emerged wearing a suit, the frail former inmate

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'unrecognisable as he acknowledged the jubilant crowd.'

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WHISTLING AND CHEERING

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I remember being shocked by Megrahi's release.

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His conviction hadn't been fully satisfying,

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but at least it was an answer.

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Now, all that was coming undone.

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My brother and the others had been killed

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and certainty about who did it was being wiped away.

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'Some believe Megrahi should go free.

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'They don't believe he was guilty.'

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'Megrahi is not expected to live long enough for his next appeal to be heard.'

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Megrahi's release also gave momentum to those who believed

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he wasn't guilty at all.

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And theories pinning Lockerbie on Iran were once again revived.

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I wished I could let it go,

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but instead I decided to set out on my own search for answers.

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DOORBELL RINGS

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I began by tracking down the FBI agent who'd worked longer than

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anyone on the Lockerbie case.

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Richard Marquise.

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Richard Marquise. How are you? Good to see you, Ken. Good to see you.

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Almost 25 years later, no-one's ever admitted playing any role in it.

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And in fact, Megrahi, the one man convicted,

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he's let go after serving only eight years under a cloud of suspicion.

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Nobody is paying for this.

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No-one is paying judicially, for blowing up Pan Am 103.

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That's a great frustration.

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CHEERING

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Gaddafi was told,

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"If your agents are found guilty,

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"you have to admit responsibility for the attack,"

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and all he would admit to was, "responsibility for the actions of my agents."

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I think it's terrible that we allowed him

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to get away with that statement.

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When I spoke to the Lockerbie families, I said,

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"I wished we could have gotten more for you."

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Megrahi was the only person convicted

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because he's the only person that the evidence led to.

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But if he did this, he didn't do it by himself.

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Megrahi is the tip of the iceberg.

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If I was writing the novel version,

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we would have identified not only the people who put that

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bomb on the plane,

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but those who ordered it up

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the chain of command and put them all in jail.

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That would have been the fantasy.

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Over the years, I've gotten to know a lot of the investigators

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and prosecutors who worked on the case.

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Stuart Henderson. Ken, please come in.

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'I visited their homes here and abroad

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'and heard their stories.'

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We didn't have any evidence of that.

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'They are all retired now and almost to a man,

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'they feel unsatisfied with the way the case ended.'

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How frustrated do you think we are to be detectives who have

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been all over the world trying to get an answer to this

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At no stage did I ever say I just wanted Megrahi.

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I said I wanted all of them.

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Because there was no doubt in my mind he isn't the only one.

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He was the baggage man and he got caught. And rightly so.

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But I would like to have seen the rest of them.

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No, the case isn't finished, because all those responsible for

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the crime have not been identified and prosecuted, much less convicted.

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'Late this afternoon, the nose of the Pan Am jet was finally lifted

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'from the hillside three miles from Lockerbie.'

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And the only way we're ever going to find out what happened fully is

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somebody walks in that was involved and lays it all out for us.

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Or there's a regime change in Libya.

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In the summer of 2011, regime change in Libya suddenly seemed possible.

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'Libya is burning!

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'Rage against the tyranny of Gaddafi is sweeping the country.'

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As the rebels gained ground,

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I began to wonder about making the trip to Libya myself.

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So, you had a list of names. Oh, yeah.

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I mean, how many names would have been on the list? Probably ten.

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Stuart Henderson and I, we both left lists with our successors to say,

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"If you get to Libya this is what you ought to do.

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"This is who you ought to be after, you should talk to."

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Every one of these,

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at some stage, played a part in it.

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And the list read quite clearly.

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There was Abdullah Senussi,

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Ezzedine al Hinshiri,

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who did the ordering of their explosive device timers,

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Mohammed Rashid,

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Badri Hassan.

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We've got Abdullah Zadma,

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Nassr Ashur, an expert in making sure that bombs go off.

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Mohammed Ibrahim Bishari...

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..and a surprise expert in charge,

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explosives, in particular.

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A surprise mechanic, you could say, that started the ball rolling.

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He holds the key to it all.

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These are the people that must be found

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and these are the people who are responsible.

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But I never ever got access to them long enough

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to interview any of them.

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We got part of the conspiracy, but only a small part.

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You only get an answer to your final story with the rest of them.

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I think, until none of them can be found at all, then you can't stop.

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The fighting in Libya had closed down the main airport,

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so I had to find my own way in.

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I flew first into neighbouring Tunisia then hired a driver to

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take me through the night towards Libya's western border.

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Your first name is? Ken. No, surname.

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You want me to write it in?

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Put this away?

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It was late in the summer of 2011,

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as the Libyan revolution reached its climax,

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when I finally arrived in the capital, Tripoli.

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NEWS REPORT: 'We're starting with the situation in Libya.

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'It has taken a new turn, they still have no idea where

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'Muammar Gaddafi is, he's on the run tonight...'

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'..After a lightning advance this weekend that caught Gaddafi's forces by surprise.

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'It's now clear it is not over yet.'

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'There is still fierce fighting in many neighbourhoods as

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'forces loyal to Gaddafi make one final stand.'

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After so many years of imagining this place,

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it was hard to believe I was actually here

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at Gaddafi's old home.

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Now his compound had become a makeshift fairground

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complete with lots of celebratory gunfire, souvenirs

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and a general carnival atmosphere.

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By the time I arrived, the NATO bombing campaign had taken out

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many of Gaddafi's old command and control centres.

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Rumours were flying that important intelligence material might have

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been left behind here in Gaddafi's vast network of fortified bunkers.

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What is this map? Libya.

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Suliman Ali Zway joined up with the revolution from its start

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in Benghazi where he was born.

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'When I first met him, he was leading me and some other

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'journalists on a tour of an old underground intelligence facility.'

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That is all sealed.

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'When Tripoli fell,

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'there were so many places that were left unguarded.'

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Do you find Gaddafi?

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Come out, wherever you are.

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We are just going through all of those places to show

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Western journalist how an authoritarian regime was operating,

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and what kind of files they kept.

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Jesus, look at this room.

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'Suliman seemed to share a deep interest in the secrets

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'of the old regime.'

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What do we think these tapes are?

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For Suliman, the search for answers was personal as well.

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One of the reasons I went to Tripoli is to find out what happened

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to my uncle.

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He was taken in '89,

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he was killed in the Abu Salim massacre, 1,200 were killed.

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We didn't find out until 2003 about the Lockerbie thing.

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It's so long ago, everybody who might have had remotely any idea

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what happened in Lockerbie would either be dead or

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out of the country or on the run with Gaddafi somewhere.

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So I had very little hopes to finding something substantial.

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Suliman was understandably sceptical, but he was willing to help.

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We rented an apartment on the outskirts of Tripoli

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and the next day we began to search for the men on my list.

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These are some houses, look at these.

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A few of the men I was looking for lived in this exclusive

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section of Tripoli.

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What do people think of this neighbourhood?

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It's good to be a friend of Muammar's.

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MEN SHOUT OUT

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Our first stop was the home of the most well-known man on my list,

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Abdullah Senussi. How many people lived here?

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I don't know, he had a bunch of kids, you know.

0:20:410:20:43

Abdullah Senussi was the head of Libyan intelligence

0:20:430:20:46

at the time of Lockerbie and was actually convicted

0:20:460:20:50

for the downing of another passenger plane that was bombed not long after Flight 103.

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By the time of the Revolution,

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Senussi had become the second most powerful man in the country,

0:20:570:21:01

which is likely why NATO

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put a missile through the centre of his house.

0:21:020:21:05

An attack that Senussi somehow survived.

0:21:050:21:08

Said Rashid is this or that, it looks like this is all one thing.

0:21:080:21:12

This style of gate.

0:21:120:21:14

Just around the block,

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I went looking for another of the men on my list - Said Rashid.

0:21:170:21:21

The US government had said that Said Rashid was one

0:21:220:21:25

of the masterminds of Lockerbie and many other attacks against the West.

0:21:250:21:30

He was known to Libyans as a ruthless Gaddafi enforcer.

0:21:300:21:34

All this damage is from looting or from NATO?

0:21:350:21:38

Rashid's family had abandoned this house just a few weeks

0:21:440:21:46

before I arrived.

0:21:460:21:48

The place was ransacked for money and valuables.

0:21:480:21:52

But I'd come looking

0:21:520:21:53

for evidence of Rashid's involvement in Lockerbie.

0:21:530:21:57

So this was Said Rashid's office?

0:21:570:21:58

In Rashid's desk, I found an Arabic translation of the indictment

0:21:590:22:03

of the Libyans for Pan Am 103,

0:22:030:22:06

complete with Rashid's handwritten notes. But there was no smoking gun.

0:22:060:22:10

Who is that in the white? Is that Said Rashid?

0:22:130:22:15

Yes.

0:22:150:22:17

We managed to find someone still working at Libyan state television

0:22:200:22:24

and he cued up the video of Megrahi's release from a Scottish prison.

0:22:240:22:28

I was told that several key suspects in the Lockerbie plot

0:22:300:22:33

had showed up to welcome him home.

0:22:330:22:34

The first man to greet Megrahi was another none other than Said Rashid -

0:22:360:22:41

the alleged mastermind of the plot.

0:22:410:22:43

But even more senior than Rashid was the man who Megrahi

0:22:500:22:53

was about to greet in the front seat of this SUV.

0:22:530:22:56

Who is this?

0:22:560:22:57

I began to feel that Megrahi's return had become

0:23:000:23:03

a kind of reunion for the suspected Lockerbie plotters.

0:23:030:23:06

It also seemed to be a belated victory celebration.

0:23:080:23:11

The night's featured speaker was Said Rashid.

0:23:140:23:17

Listening to Rashid, I tried to understand the mind

0:23:250:23:28

of a Gaddafi loyalist, who may have plotted to down my brother's plane.

0:23:280:23:32

On this night, Gaddafi couldn't have seemed more pleased

0:23:490:23:52

with Rashid.

0:23:520:23:53

But I was told things didn't end well for him.

0:23:530:23:57

In the chaotic early moments of the revolution, Gaddafi grew

0:23:570:24:01

paranoid and came to question the loyalty of the ultimate loyalist.

0:24:010:24:05

Rashid was shot as a traitor.

0:24:050:24:08

I'd already been away from my family for weeks,

0:24:130:24:15

but I didn't have much to show for it.

0:24:150:24:18

The men I was looking for had either fled the capital or were

0:24:180:24:22

laying low in places where I would never be able to find them.

0:24:220:24:26

NEWS REPORT: This is all that remains of Colonel Gaddafi's convoy as he tried to escape...

0:24:260:24:31

Then there was Gaddafi himself.

0:24:310:24:33

For weeks, Gaddafi had holed up in his hometown of Sirte.

0:24:350:24:38

When he tried to slip out one morning,

0:24:380:24:40

a NATO airstrike hit his convoy point-blank.

0:24:400:24:43

'Somehow, though, Colonel Gaddafi himself escaped from all this.'

0:24:430:24:47

Gaddafi and a few of his security detail

0:24:470:24:50

took cover in this drainage pipe.

0:24:500:24:52

The rebels dragged Muammar Gaddafi, once the most powerful man

0:24:540:24:57

in Libya, out of the drainage ditch and that's when the mayhem started.'

0:24:570:25:02

Gaddafi's last moments were recorded.

0:25:040:25:08

His last words, reportedly were,

0:25:080:25:10

"Don't kill me, don't kill my sons".

0:25:100:25:12

When this video hit the news, reporters began to call me

0:25:140:25:17

and other Lockerbie relatives.

0:25:170:25:19

They wanted to know what we felt, were we satisfied?

0:25:190:25:23

I watched Gaddafi's death over and over, trying to feel some

0:25:260:25:29

bloodlust for the man who may have

0:25:290:25:31

given the order to blow up Flight 103.

0:25:310:25:34

But I only managed to feel a strange empathy for this beaten man

0:25:340:25:38

pleading for his life.

0:25:380:25:40

Rebels hoisted Gaddafi's body onto a truck

0:25:400:25:42

so the crowds could see their prize.

0:25:420:25:44

Meanwhile, I heard a rumour that one of the remaining men on my list

0:25:460:25:49

had been in the convoy with Gaddafi that morning.

0:25:490:25:53

We found a video of the survivors who had been taken prisoner

0:25:530:25:56

by a vengeful rebel militia.

0:25:560:25:58

Most were low-level loyalists

0:26:060:26:08

and tribesman brought in to fight Gaddafi's last stand.

0:26:080:26:11

The prisoners were marched into a field, shot execution style

0:26:120:26:16

and left to rot in the desert sun.

0:26:160:26:20

The most high-profile among them was the man I'd been looking for,

0:26:200:26:24

a loyalist named Ezzedine Hinshiri,

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who'd stuck with Gaddafi until the end. This looks like him, doesn't it?

0:26:280:26:32

It looks like it.

0:26:320:26:33

I knew little of Ezzedine Hinshiri's

0:26:460:26:47

role in Lockerbie except that he'd made the initial

0:26:470:26:50

order of the timers said to have blown up Flight 103.

0:26:500:26:53

Hinshiri had been close friends with Said Rashid, both were engineers,

0:26:540:26:59

both had been involved with the timers and now both were dead.

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By my count, there were now only four men left on my list.

0:27:040:27:08

One of them,

0:27:080:27:10

I was told, had died of a heart attack just a few months earlier.

0:27:100:27:14

He wasn't like the others, not a regular intelligence officer

0:27:140:27:17

or a member of Gaddafi's inner circle, but an airline

0:27:170:27:20

executive who may have been co-opted to take part in the plot.

0:27:200:27:24

His name was Badri Hassan.

0:27:240:27:27

Badri, believe you me, is a scapegoat.

0:27:270:27:32

I'm sure he never knew what was going on until it was too late.

0:27:320:27:36

Or after it happened. Souad Hassan was Badri's wife.

0:27:360:27:41

Her brother, Yaseen, worked with Badri part-time

0:27:410:27:45

and for years listened to his sister's questions about Lockerbie.

0:27:450:27:49

Souad said her suspicions about Badri began almost immediately

0:27:490:27:52

after the bombing.

0:27:520:27:54

A short time, you mean, after Lockerbie?

0:27:580:28:01

You're sure of what? That was he wasn't involved?

0:28:180:28:21

Do you know why I am so interested in all of this? No.

0:28:270:28:31

I had an older brother. He was on the plane that went down over Lockerbie.

0:28:310:28:36

Really? I'm very sorry to hear that. So sorry.

0:28:360:28:39

Badri died with a lot of secrets, Ezzedine,

0:28:480:28:53

Said Rashid, Abdullah Senussi, they were always there

0:28:530:28:57

on the front-line,

0:28:570:28:59

they were always there willing to do the wicked stuff...

0:28:590:29:02

..for Gaddafi. And Abdelbaset.

0:29:040:29:08

What was Badri's relationship with Megrahi?

0:29:090:29:12

When was this? They met in '87. '87. The first meeting in Zurich.

0:29:180:29:23

Zurich, Switzerland.

0:29:250:29:27

Souad told me that Badri and Megrahi rented an office here

0:29:270:29:30

for more than a year before Lockerbie.

0:29:300:29:33

It turned out they were right down the hall from the Swiss company MEBO

0:29:330:29:37

that made the timer said to have blown up Flight 103.

0:29:370:29:41

It's thought that the device was bought from MEBO in Zurich.

0:29:420:29:47

Badri was the connection

0:29:470:29:49

between this MEBO company and the Libyan intelligence.

0:29:490:29:53

Yeah. Badri tried to prove that

0:29:530:29:56

they didn't know what the device was going to be used for.

0:29:560:30:00

Do you think Abdelbaset knew what the device was going to be used for?

0:30:000:30:04

I think Abdelbaset, he knows everything.

0:30:040:30:06

The truth has to come out about Pan Am 103. Yes.

0:30:100:30:15

The connection of Switzerland. The connection of Megrahi.

0:30:150:30:20

Eh... The connection of Zurich.

0:30:210:30:24

You would get a lot of information out of a certain Swiss person,

0:30:240:30:30

Mr...Bollier? Bollier.

0:30:300:30:33

He's located in Zurich. Zurich. This MEBO company.

0:30:330:30:39

It had been just over a year since I first set off to Libya

0:30:450:30:48

in search of answers,

0:30:480:30:49

but now, I was convinced that a key piece of the story

0:30:490:30:53

lay here in Zurich,

0:30:530:30:54

where investigators traced the custom-built timer

0:30:540:30:57

that was so critical to the Lockerbie plot.

0:30:570:30:59

At some point, this timer was fitted into the Lockerbie bomb

0:31:000:31:04

so it would blow up, at least in theory,

0:31:040:31:06

exactly when the terrorists desired.

0:31:060:31:09

NEWS REPORT: Edwin Bollier is said to have supplied the timer

0:31:090:31:12

which set off the Lockerbie explosion.

0:31:120:31:14

Investigators first came here to question Edwin Bollier

0:31:140:31:17

about his timers back in late 1990.

0:31:170:31:20

They showed him a photograph

0:31:200:31:21

of the fragment they'd found near Lockerbie

0:31:210:31:23

and Bollier identified it as a piece of a timer

0:31:230:31:26

he'd sold to the Libyan military a few years earlier.

0:31:260:31:29

Over the years, however, he's changed his story.

0:31:300:31:33

He now maintains that the timer they say blew up Flight 103

0:31:330:31:37

was not actually one of those he sold to Libya.

0:31:370:31:39

Bollier?

0:31:390:31:40

I told Edwin Bollier that my brother was on Flight 103

0:31:450:31:48

and that I was searching for the truth.

0:31:480:31:49

KNOCKING

0:31:490:31:51

And, after an initial meeting, Bollier agreed to film with me.

0:31:510:31:55

Hello. Hello. How are you? How are you?

0:31:550:31:58

People say, "You're going to speak with Edwin Bollier -

0:31:580:32:01

"yeah, he's not trustworthy" or "He's hiding something". Yes, yes...

0:32:010:32:05

"He was involved, he was helping the Libyans". Yes.

0:32:050:32:07

What's your response to them?

0:32:070:32:09

I'll show you...

0:32:270:32:29

'Bollier insists that he's simply a contractor

0:32:290:32:31

'who sold electronics to the Libyan military.

0:32:310:32:34

'But I wanted to walk through the story with him, step-by-step.'

0:32:340:32:38

'We began with the fact that the Libyan businessman,

0:32:470:32:50

'Badri Hassan, had rented office space from Bollier

0:32:500:32:53

'the year before the bombing.

0:32:530:32:55

'Badri's partner in the Zurich office

0:32:570:32:59

'was Abdelbaset al-Megrahi -

0:32:590:33:00

'the man who would later be convicted for the Lockerbie bombing.'

0:33:000:33:04

Abdelbaset al-Megrahi? Yes, yeah.

0:33:040:33:06

What was he like as a person? What was his character? Was he...?

0:33:060:33:09

Did you believe that he was involved in the bombing of Flight 103?

0:33:160:33:20

No, no, no. No, no.

0:33:200:33:22

Bollier says Badri and Megrahi were rarely in the Zurich office.

0:33:240:33:28

But then, just a few weeks before the bombing,

0:33:280:33:31

Badri came to Bollier with a rush order for timers.

0:33:310:33:35

HE SPEAKS IN GERMAN

0:33:350:33:38

'The original order for these timers

0:33:410:33:43

'came three years earlier, Bollier explained.'

0:33:430:33:46

..not only these 20 - a lot...

0:33:530:33:55

'Bollier hoped for a contract to make more than 1,000 of these timers

0:33:550:33:58

'and he said he delivered 20 prototypes to the Libyan military.'

0:33:580:34:02

'But the two men who originally ordered these timers,

0:34:050:34:07

'Ezzedine Hinshiri and Said Rashid,

0:34:070:34:09

'were not regular military officers.

0:34:090:34:12

'They were Gaddafi inner circle members

0:34:120:34:14

'and intelligence officials.

0:34:140:34:16

'And it was Badri Hassan, a civilian with ties to the inner circle,

0:34:160:34:20

'who would come to Bollier about the timers just before Lockerbie.

0:34:200:34:23

'Bollier insists that he had no idea

0:34:230:34:26

'the reason behind Badri's rush order.'

0:34:260:34:28

When Badri ordered these timers, he wanted them right away. Yes.

0:34:290:34:33

Did he say... Why such a rush, all of a sudden?

0:34:330:34:35

Cos the original order was three years earlier.

0:34:350:34:38

Yeah, no, uh...

0:34:380:34:39

So you're saying they put an order in 1985.

0:34:480:34:51

It's supposed to be for 1,500.

0:34:510:34:53

You never hear about it, you're always checking -

0:34:530:34:55

"What about the order?"

0:34:550:34:57

And then all of a sudden, three years later...

0:34:580:35:01

Yes, curious. Curious.

0:35:010:35:02

I guess what I wanted to know,

0:35:050:35:06

cos you had a lot of business with the Libyans -

0:35:060:35:08

anything about the way they ordered these timers that made you think

0:35:080:35:11

that they were using them for, uh...for bombs? No.

0:35:110:35:15

For terrorism? No. Was there anything that seemed unusual?

0:35:150:35:17

Bollier says he was out of stock of the MST-13 timers

0:35:270:35:30

that the Libyans had rush-ordered.

0:35:300:35:32

So he delivered some knock-off timers which they rejected.

0:35:320:35:36

In the end, though, it didn't matter -

0:35:370:35:39

the Lockerbie judges concluded that one of the original timers

0:35:390:35:42

supplied by Bollier to the Libyans years earlier

0:35:420:35:45

had been used to blow up flight 103.

0:35:450:35:47

At the time the FBI first encountered Edwin Bollier,

0:35:510:35:54

they didn't fully understand his long relationship with the Libyans.

0:35:540:35:58

It all began in the mid-1970s,

0:35:580:36:01

when Bollier said he started supplying the Libyans

0:36:010:36:04

with broadcasting equipment - police radios, fax machines.

0:36:040:36:09

But by the early 1980s,

0:36:090:36:11

the CIA began to suspect that he was supplying the Libyans with much more.

0:36:110:36:15

The details come from this once classified CIA technical report.

0:36:170:36:20

It explains that in 1984, four years before Lockerbie,

0:36:200:36:26

the CIA uncovered briefcase bombs

0:36:260:36:28

in the hands of Libyan operatives in north Africa.

0:36:280:36:30

Semtex explosive inside the suitcase

0:36:310:36:34

was detonated with a custom-made firing device,

0:36:340:36:37

using Motorola pagers.

0:36:370:36:38

And these pagers were ultimately traced back

0:36:400:36:42

to MEBO and Edwin Bollier.

0:36:420:36:44

There's a whole CIA report on these devices. Mm-hm.

0:36:450:36:49

They find a briefcase and, and...Semtex and, um... Mm-hm.

0:36:490:36:54

So they're analysing this whole thing.

0:36:540:36:57

This was in '84. Right - I mean, if you had known

0:36:570:36:59

this guy seems to be supplying the Libyans

0:36:590:37:02

with devices to do bad things,

0:37:020:37:04

I mean, would that have coloured your dealings with him at all?

0:37:040:37:07

Yeah, it would have certainly given me

0:37:070:37:10

a little bit different look

0:37:100:37:12

at who this guy is and what he might be up to.

0:37:120:37:14

Well, actually - so, this report makes clear that the CIA, I think,

0:37:140:37:18

through the Swiss police, told him, "knock it off" about the pagers,

0:37:180:37:21

back in 1984.

0:37:210:37:22

Yes - it says he was contacted by the Swiss police about those pagers.

0:37:220:37:26

So he does seem to have an awareness, at some point,

0:37:260:37:29

that the stuff he's making is being used for terrorism... Oh, yeah.

0:37:290:37:33

I think anybody who deals with the Libyans

0:37:330:37:36

in electronic weapons and things knows they're probably being used,

0:37:360:37:41

at some point in time, in some way, for terrorism. Right.

0:37:410:37:44

But...did he give these timers and other equipment

0:37:440:37:49

with the intent to blow up airplanes?

0:37:490:37:51

Proving that is pretty damn hard to do.

0:37:510:37:54

So, just what did Edwin Bollier know about the timing devices

0:37:560:38:00

he was supplying to the Gaddafi regime?

0:38:000:38:02

Not long after Bollier first delivered these timers

0:38:030:38:05

to the Libyans, police seized one of them

0:38:050:38:08

among a cache of weapons in the West African nation of Togo.

0:38:080:38:12

Then, just ten months before Lockerbie,

0:38:120:38:15

the CIA learned about another of Bollier's timers.

0:38:150:38:18

It was found in the hands of Libyan operatives

0:38:180:38:21

attempting to bomb targets in Senegal.

0:38:210:38:25

The CIA had written detailed reports on the Togo and Senegal timers,

0:38:250:38:28

linking them both back to Edwin Bollier.

0:38:280:38:30

But all of this took on new significance in June of 1990,

0:38:320:38:35

when Lockerbie investigators came to them

0:38:350:38:37

with the circuit board fragment they'd found at the crash site.

0:38:370:38:40

The CIA produces photographs of what we call the Senegal timer

0:38:420:38:47

after two Libyan intelligence operatives

0:38:470:38:51

travelling with pistols with silencers, Semtex,

0:38:510:38:55

blasting caps and this timer

0:38:550:38:58

were arrested by the Senegalese government

0:38:580:39:02

and it was sort of, like,

0:39:020:39:04

if we can establish that MEBO made the Senegal device,

0:39:040:39:08

they probably made the Togo timer as well.

0:39:080:39:12

So they take the thing apart

0:39:120:39:15

and on one of the circuit boards within the timer,

0:39:150:39:18

they find something that's scratched out,

0:39:180:39:21

that was determined to say "M-E-B-O".

0:39:210:39:24

I mean, did you used to write "MEBO" on the circuit board? Yes.

0:39:250:39:28

All the PC boards have "MEBO".

0:39:280:39:33

Why this is scratched, here, I don't know.

0:39:330:39:38

Well, they say because... But you can read "MEBO", it's clear, yeah. MEBO.

0:39:380:39:43

I guess what they would say is that if the Libyans were using your timers

0:39:430:39:47

for terrorism, they wanted to scratch it out so no-one would figure it out.

0:39:470:39:52

I...I don't know, but that... That it's scratched is...

0:39:520:39:57

This is curious. I mean, just your relationship with Libya.

0:39:570:40:02

You know, you...you gave them radio equipment...

0:40:020:40:05

You had a long relationship with them, then suddenly,

0:40:050:40:07

you find that your timers are showing up in the hands of Libyan agents

0:40:070:40:14

in Togo or Senegal and they're using your timer for terrorist purposes.

0:40:140:40:19

I mean, how did you feel about that?

0:40:190:40:21

Oh, I was not... The feeling was not good.

0:40:210:40:23

So it's clear that we stop everything immediately

0:40:230:40:28

with such...such things, with timers and commando cases.

0:40:280:40:33

We have stopped everything.

0:40:330:40:36

But I told also, on the first time...

0:40:360:40:39

'It wasn't clear to me when Bollier says he stopped

0:40:390:40:41

'supplying electronics to Libya, or why,

0:40:410:40:44

'and he still maintains he was only made aware

0:40:440:40:47

'of the Togo and Senegal operations much later.'

0:40:470:40:50

But at the Lockerbie trial, it emerged that Bollier

0:40:500:40:53

was actually in Tripoli during the week before the Senegal operation.

0:40:530:40:57

When asked about the purpose of this visit

0:40:580:41:00

and whether it had anything to do with his timers,

0:41:000:41:03

Bollier replied that he couldn't remember.

0:41:030:41:06

Bollier did remember another trip to Libya that year.

0:41:060:41:09

He told the FBI that he was in Tripoli that December,

0:41:090:41:12

just before what turned out to be a major operation...Lockerbie.

0:41:120:41:16

He said he ended up at Abdelbaset al-Megrahi's office,

0:41:180:41:21

just two nights before the bombing.

0:41:210:41:23

It was here he said that he witnessed a meeting.

0:41:230:41:26

That was...

0:41:290:41:30

'Bollier still recalled that night

0:41:300:41:32

'and even drew me the layout of Megrahi's office.'

0:41:320:41:35

Here, I think, here was the room from Abdelbaset...with doors,

0:41:350:41:40

and they have a meeting here.

0:41:400:41:42

And then, we...

0:41:420:41:44

'But what was this meeting at the office

0:41:440:41:46

'of the man later convicted

0:41:460:41:50

..with the meeting and waiting for Megrahi on that evening,

0:41:500:41:54

so close to Lockerbie... Yeah.

0:41:540:41:56

The prosecution at the trial, they made this sound like the Libyans

0:41:560:42:01

were planning Lockerbie in this room here,

0:42:010:42:03

right across from you.

0:42:030:42:04

They say this, yes. They say this.

0:42:040:42:06

Do you think that's what was going on in there? No, no. No, no.

0:42:060:42:09

I see...

0:42:090:42:10

The only problem with Bollier's current denial

0:42:160:42:19

is that it once again contradicts what he said years ago

0:42:190:42:22

when he initially spoke with investigators.

0:42:220:42:24

At that time, he made clear that this meeting before Lockerbie

0:42:250:42:29

involved thugs and some high-ranking Gaddafi officials

0:42:290:42:32

and when asked about the purpose of the meeting,

0:42:320:42:35

Bollier told the FBI that this meeting

0:42:350:42:37

could have been part of the preparations

0:42:370:42:39

for the bombing of Flight 103.

0:42:390:42:41

NEWS REPORT: Edwin Bollier, MEBO's owner,

0:42:410:42:43

was a slippery and unconvincing witness...

0:42:430:42:46

At the time Bollier testified at the trial of the Libyans,

0:42:460:42:49

he attempted to discredit much of the prosecution case.

0:42:490:42:53

He claimed the timer fragment he'd admitted was his back in 1990,

0:42:530:42:57

the key piece of physical evidence linking the bomb to Libya,

0:42:570:43:00

was essentially a fake, planted by unnamed conspirators

0:43:000:43:04

to frame him and the Libyans for the bombing

0:43:040:43:07

and Bollier's been trying to prove

0:43:070:43:09

that he's been the victim of a fraud ever since.

0:43:090:43:11

So you're saying it wasn't Libya. Yes.

0:43:130:43:15

And it wasn't Abdelbaset al-Megrahi. Yes.

0:43:150:43:17

And it wasn't your timer. Yes.

0:43:170:43:18

And we don't know who fabricated the evidence... Yes, yes.

0:43:180:43:23

..against Libya and you. Yes.

0:43:230:43:25

We know nothing. Yeah, yeah, true.

0:43:250:43:27

When you see from this side, we know nothing.

0:43:280:43:34

BEEPING

0:43:340:43:37

Unfortunately for Bollier, a special Scottish commission

0:43:420:43:45

reviewed most of his claims about the timer fragment

0:43:450:43:48

and found them completely unsupported by evidence.

0:43:480:43:52

And his idea of an international conspiracy to link him to Flight 103?

0:43:520:43:57

The commission strongly suggested that this was pure fantasy.

0:43:570:44:01

CLANKING

0:44:070:44:09

So what to do next? How long would I keep up the chase?

0:44:190:44:24

There was still just one person ever convicted for Lockerbie -

0:44:240:44:28

Abdelbaset al-Megrahi.

0:44:280:44:30

And he continued to protest his innocence

0:44:300:44:33

now that he was back home in Libya.

0:44:330:44:35

I decided to return to Tripoli to see if I could talk to Megrahi myself

0:44:410:44:45

now that there was a new government in place.

0:44:450:44:48

My old friend and translator Suliman

0:44:480:44:51

had offered to help me track him down.

0:44:510:44:54

It turned out we weren't the only ones trying to find him.

0:44:540:44:58

NEWS REPORT: A lot of late news out of Libya tonight.

0:44:580:45:00

Among the new developments, CNN's Nic Robinson managed to locate

0:45:000:45:03

the Pan Am 103 bomber. Here is his report.

0:45:030:45:06

Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was released from a Scottish jail two years ago.

0:45:060:45:11

He came home to a hero's welcome, freed on compassionate grounds,

0:45:110:45:15

because doctors said he'd be dead in three months,

0:45:150:45:19

The convicted Pan Am 103 bomber lives.

0:45:190:45:24

We found Abdelbaset al-Megrahi's villa in an upmarket part of town.

0:45:240:45:28

At least six security cameras and floodlights outside.

0:45:280:45:33

I don't see the guys, the neighbourhood watch guys.

0:45:330:45:36

This is Megrahi's house,

0:45:360:45:38

this is where he's been living for the last couple of years.

0:45:380:45:41

We're going to knock on the door, see if we can get any answer.

0:45:410:45:44

Hello.

0:45:450:45:47

'For 15 minutes or so, nothing...'

0:45:470:45:50

I remember the reporter from CNN found Megrahi.

0:45:500:45:53

I'm not sure that they've heard me,

0:45:530:45:55

so let's try the last-ditch means, which is...

0:45:550:45:57

He tried to jump over the wall of Megrahi's house.

0:45:570:46:00

Hello. Hello, hello.

0:46:000:46:02

We tried so many times to go to that place and we just knock on the door.

0:46:060:46:10

You going to park right in front?

0:46:100:46:12

Yes. Just... OK. Just normal. Just be yourself.

0:46:120:46:16

The very first time nobody answered. We spent, like, an hour there.

0:46:160:46:22

Every time we go, we discuss how we can approach them and how to explain

0:46:220:46:26

a foreigner, let alone a foreigner who wants to film with Megrahi.

0:46:260:46:30

At that point, we all thought that Megrahi was brought back

0:46:320:46:35

to Libya under bogus sick leave or something,

0:46:350:46:39

that he was supposed to die two years before but he didn't.

0:46:390:46:44

RINGING TONE

0:46:440:46:45

And we then realised that the guy was actually dying.

0:46:450:46:48

It's been decades since the bomb exploded on board Pan Am 103.

0:46:550:47:00

It seemed the secrets of the attack would die with the bombers.

0:47:000:47:04

Convicted Pan Am 103 bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi

0:47:040:47:09

appears to be just a shell of the man he was.

0:47:090:47:13

Do you know how long he has left?

0:47:130:47:15

Whatever secrets he has may soon be gone.

0:47:190:47:23

Time was running out to meet Megrahi, but then I got a break.

0:47:260:47:32

Right here, right here.

0:47:320:47:33

I met up with Dr Jim Swire, a Lockerbie relative,

0:47:330:47:37

who I'd known for years.

0:47:370:47:38

It turned out he'd also made the trip to Libya in search of answers.

0:47:380:47:43

And he too was here to try to meet with Megrahi before he died.

0:47:430:47:46

Unlike me, Dr Swire had been to Libya many times before.

0:47:460:47:51

When was your first trip to Tripoli?

0:47:510:47:54

It was about two weeks after they issued

0:47:540:47:57

the indictments against the two Libyans.

0:47:570:48:00

'Back in 1991, Dr Swire came here to meet face-to-face

0:48:000:48:04

'with the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

0:48:040:48:07

'Over the years, Swire worked hard to persuade Gaddafi to turn over

0:48:070:48:12

'the subjects, so the evidence could finally be heard in a proper court.'

0:48:120:48:15

NEWS REPORT: Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi was convicted

0:48:150:48:19

of 270 counts of murder and sentenced...

0:48:190:48:22

But during the course of the resulting trial,

0:48:220:48:25

Swire says he became troubled by key elements of the prosecution case.

0:48:250:48:28

The judges had found weaknesses in the identification of Megrahi

0:48:280:48:32

as the man who had bought the clothes wrapped around the bomb

0:48:320:48:35

and Swire believed the prosecution had failed to prove

0:48:350:48:39

the route that the bomb bag had taken to get onto Flight 103.

0:48:390:48:42

And then there were deep questions that Swire and others would raise

0:48:420:48:46

about the legitimacy of the key piece of physical evidence in the case,

0:48:460:48:51

which they suspect was in some way not genuine.

0:48:510:48:53

All of this in the end convinced Swire that Megrahi was innocent.

0:48:530:48:58

He began to meet with the convicted bomber in prison,

0:48:580:49:02

then started a public campaign for his release.

0:49:020:49:06

I'm well aware that what we're doing is disturbing

0:49:060:49:08

to those who think they've found closure through

0:49:080:49:11

the conviction of the Libyan, Megrahi, but I think it would

0:49:110:49:15

be inhumane, indeed downright cruel, to keep a man in prison to die...

0:49:150:49:21

Please understand that I think what I'm doing is to seek the truth

0:49:210:49:24

and I also think that

0:49:240:49:26

if you would look with an open mind for yourselves, you would find

0:49:260:49:30

there's a great deal of truth there that you haven't yet looked at.

0:49:300:49:35

We were perhaps a strange team.

0:49:440:49:47

Dr Swire wanted a chance to say farewell to a man

0:49:470:49:50

he now considered a friend.

0:49:500:49:52

And I wanted to meet a man I believed had helped murder his daughter

0:49:520:49:56

and my brother.

0:49:560:49:58

The plan was to show up at Megrahi's house with Dr Swire.

0:50:200:50:24

I was unlikely to get in, but if I did get my moment alone with Megrahi,

0:50:240:50:30

it was the kind of thing I felt I needed to capture.

0:50:300:50:33

Suliman tried to discourage me from secret filming in Libya

0:50:360:50:39

and Dr Swire didn't know at all about my hidden camera.

0:50:390:50:43

Oh, hello, this is Jim Swire.

0:50:430:50:45

This is Khaled. Oh, Khaled, hello. Oh, bless you, thank you.

0:50:450:50:50

But I felt the situation was just unusual enough to justify it.

0:50:500:50:53

Hi. Hi.

0:50:530:50:55

This is my friend... Hi.

0:50:550:50:57

Megrahi's son Khaled came to greet us.

0:50:570:51:01

How is Baset today?

0:51:010:51:03

That would be great.

0:51:080:51:10

The family was very sensitised by then to the media

0:51:230:51:28

and the reason they let me in...

0:51:280:51:29

I mean, they knew, you see, that Megrahi actually wanted to see me.

0:51:290:51:32

But I couldn't get you past the entrance hall of the house.

0:51:380:51:43

I was taken straight into the room where Baset was lying in bed

0:51:430:51:48

and he was really drifting in and out of consciousness

0:51:480:51:53

but he smiled when he saw me come in.

0:51:530:51:55

He held out a feeble hand to welcome me, as it were.

0:51:550:51:59

And there were tears on both sides, actually.

0:51:590:52:02

We both knew it was our last meeting.

0:52:020:52:04

So you had gone in and had your meeting and I was thinking,

0:52:070:52:12

"What am I going to do?"

0:52:120:52:14

And I was shown by the 11-year-old to the bathroom,

0:52:170:52:22

knowing that to the left was Megrahi's room.

0:52:220:52:27

So I was ushered into the bathroom.

0:52:280:52:31

What do I do?

0:52:310:52:32

And I'm washing my hands and I'm thinking,

0:52:340:52:38

"Am I going to make a scene?" The only person outside the door

0:52:380:52:43

"is his young son, am I going to push past him

0:52:430:52:48

"and go into the room and say, 'Did you murder my brother?

0:52:480:52:52

"'Tell me what you know before you die.'"

0:52:520:52:56

And I thought, "What is really going to come of that meeting?"

0:52:560:53:00

I had come in as your guest and as their guest.

0:53:000:53:05

He was dying and he had made his position clear.

0:53:050:53:09

And for a bunch of different reasons, I walked out.

0:53:100:53:14

Thanks very much for your help. OK. Thank you very much.

0:53:240:53:27

I never spoke directly to Megrahi,

0:53:270:53:31

but I did listen to his final messages to the world.

0:53:310:53:33

NEWS REPORT: Some breaking news, the only person convicted in the 1988

0:53:590:54:02

Lockerbie bombing has reportedly died.

0:54:020:54:05

Megrahi always said that he would prove his innocence before he died.

0:54:050:54:09

He was never able to do it.

0:54:090:54:11

It always appeared that it was unlikely that one person could

0:54:110:54:14

have been behind such a complex operation and...

0:54:140:54:18

My idea had been to talk face-to-face with just one of the men

0:54:180:54:22

involved in my brother's bombing,

0:54:220:54:23

but after several trips to Libya, I'd come up short.

0:54:230:54:27

Dr Swire might suggest that this was significant.

0:54:280:54:31

There's no-one to talk to perhaps

0:54:310:54:34

because it wasn't primarily the Libyans who did it.

0:54:340:54:37

But I wasn't prepared to accept this.

0:54:370:54:40

I kept coming back to this video I'd gotten out of Libyan state TV.

0:54:400:54:44

I was convinced it confirmed key parts of the story of Lockerbie

0:54:440:54:48

if only I could fully understand it.

0:54:480:54:51

First up the stairs was the man in the striped shirt, Zaid Rasi,

0:54:510:54:56

one of the men who originally ordered the timers from Edwin Bollier,

0:54:560:55:00

and there to pick him up at the airport was Abdullah Senussi,

0:55:000:55:05

the Libyan spy chief who was once convicted of the bombing

0:55:050:55:07

of a French passenger plane

0:55:070:55:09

and who was always suspected of a key planning role in Lockerbie.

0:55:090:55:13

And then there was the man in the back seat, a mystery Libyan official.

0:55:150:55:19

He must have been important to have been in the car at that moment,

0:55:190:55:23

but who was he?

0:55:230:55:25

I couldn't help but suspect that he might be

0:55:250:55:27

the big remaining question mark on my list -

0:55:270:55:30

an elusive figure, whom investigators never fully explained.

0:55:300:55:33

You mention this mysterious figure, I don't know how his name came into it.

0:55:330:55:38

Abu Agela Mas'ud? Yeah.

0:55:380:55:40

Mas'ud's name came from the CIA.

0:55:410:55:44

And I think the information we got was that he was a technical guy,

0:55:440:55:47

maybe he's the guy that hooked up the bomb,

0:55:470:55:50

but he's one of those guys that we can never identify.

0:55:500:55:53

When the Scots went to Libya in 1999,

0:55:530:55:55

they asked about Mas'ud and they said, "We don't know who he is.

0:55:550:55:59

"Can't identify him, no idea who this guy is."

0:55:590:56:01

The name of Abu Agela Mas'ud first surfaced during the investigation.

0:56:030:56:08

It came from a low-level Libyan intelligence agent

0:56:080:56:11

who secretly provided information to the CIA.

0:56:110:56:14

In the days and weeks before Lockerbie,

0:56:140:56:17

the witness observed Abdelbaset al-Megrahi travelling to the island

0:56:170:56:21

of Malta where the Lockerbie bomb is said to have originated

0:56:210:56:25

and travelling with him was the mystery man Abu Agela Mas'ud.

0:56:250:56:29

The CIA suspected Megrahi

0:56:290:56:32

and Abu Agela of being on some type of technical intelligence operation,

0:56:320:56:36

very close to the time of Lockerbie, but that's all they seemed to know.

0:56:360:56:40

Abu Agela had slipped through the investigators' net

0:56:400:56:44

and so did one last man on my list who

0:56:440:56:47

I suspected of playing a key planning role in the plot, Nassr Ashur.

0:56:470:56:51

NEWS REPORT: ..Nassr Ashur as the key figure in a series

0:56:510:56:54

of arms smuggling operations. Gaddafi chose...

0:56:540:56:56

Ashur was Gaddafi's right-hand man

0:56:560:56:59

when it came to supplying Semtex plastic explosive

0:56:590:57:02

to Irish Republican Army terrorists in the years before Lockerbie.

0:57:020:57:06

150 tonnes of weapons for the IRA, including two tonnes of Semtex.

0:57:060:57:12

In my years of work on this story,

0:57:120:57:14

I only talked to one person who said he knew Colonel Ashur

0:57:140:57:18

and had actually worked with him testing bombs in the Libyan Desert.

0:57:180:57:22

This was the thing that they tested in the desert?

0:57:460:57:48

Did anyone ever figure out when those tests were?

0:57:480:57:51

So Lockerbie was '88, so it was the year before. It was before.

0:57:550:58:00

So tell me about that. I was working in Libya in broadcasting.

0:58:000:58:05

We make new studios and somebody came from the military police,

0:58:050:58:10

"Can you come for two days into the desert?"

0:58:100:58:13

We make tests for something and so

0:58:130:58:16

and he bring me, and Nassr came, he bring me to this desert.

0:58:160:58:22

Bollier denies that these tests in the desert were related to Lockerbie,

0:58:230:58:28

but the tests did involve his timers and dropping bombs from airplanes.

0:58:280:58:33

And at the trial when Bollier was asked who exactly joined him

0:58:330:58:37

for these tests in the desert, he said a few Libyan colonels

0:58:370:58:41

were present, including Colonel Nassr Ashur, the explosives supplier.

0:58:410:58:45

Bollier said a dark-skinned man was at the tests as well.

0:58:450:58:50

He knew him only as Colonel Ibrahim, but I still wondered

0:58:500:58:53

if he was talking about the elusive bomb technician on my list.

0:58:530:58:56

I remembered about the black colonel also

0:58:570:59:01

when we make the tests in the desert.

0:59:010:59:04

Very dark skin?

0:59:050:59:07

Oh, he have dark skin.

0:59:070:59:09

And a small man, a small one. I don't know exactly.

0:59:110:59:15

Right, but what's interesting is the dark-skinned man seemed to

0:59:160:59:19

have been the technical adviser, travelling with Megrahi.

0:59:190:59:23

The name was... What's the name?

0:59:230:59:26

Mas'ud Abu Agela. Mas'ud Abu Agela...

0:59:260:59:29

No, I not know this man.

0:59:290:59:32

I have heard this name, possible... Sometimes hear...

0:59:320:59:38

Oh, you have heard the name? Mas'ud Abu Agela?

0:59:380:59:42

Possibly, I have heard the name. But...

0:59:420:59:46

'I couldn't be sure whether Bollier actually knew Abu Agela.

0:59:460:59:50

'But he did mention a dark-skinned man at several key points in the story.'

0:59:500:59:55

So here's the... This is about the test you're talking about. Yes.

0:59:550:59:59

A military base near Sebha. Sebha, yes.

0:59:591:00:02

"Bollier attended a meeting.

1:00:021:00:04

"A discussion centred on problems the Libyans were having with detonating bombs." Yeah.

1:00:041:00:08

These experiments in the desert

1:00:081:00:10

were two big container bombs by aeroplane.

1:00:101:00:15

And I have written that in the package was Semtex.

1:00:151:00:20

OK, can you see why it's suspicious if you were at a test in the desert

1:00:201:00:24

the year before Lockerbie, where they were using a timer

1:00:241:00:29

and detonating a bomb and there were members of the Libyan military?

1:00:291:00:33

There was this man, Colonel Nassr,

1:00:331:00:35

who turned out to be the man who was helping supply Semtex to the IRA.

1:00:351:00:40

You know, the Irish Republican Army.

1:00:401:00:42

Possibly, I have heard of this, yes. Yeah.

1:00:421:00:44

So, he's there and this dark-skinned man, he's there.

1:00:441:00:48

And then you're there. You know? This is why...it looks suspicious...

1:00:481:00:53

Yes. ..that you are helping the Libyans make the bomb that blew up Flight 103.

1:00:531:00:58

No, no, nothing.

1:00:581:01:00

No, no, no. No. No.

1:01:001:01:02

Talking to Bollier was frustrating,

1:01:171:01:19

but it did make me feel like I was getting closer to the truth.

1:01:191:01:24

He was linked with almost every man on my list,

1:01:241:01:27

but I just couldn't connect the dots.

1:01:271:01:29

Now I was back to work on the others.

1:01:301:01:33

The men I was looking for could be anywhere at this point.

1:01:331:01:37

I couldn't pick up any trace of the suspected bomb suspect, Abu Agela.

1:01:371:01:42

But I heard rumours that another of the men on my list,

1:01:421:01:45

someone with a record of supplying explosives to terrorists,

1:01:451:01:48

had fled the country, maybe to Cairo.

1:01:481:01:53

But his trail has gone cold too.

1:01:531:01:54

There was one major figure on my list who definitely fled the country.

1:01:561:01:59

And not long after my last trip into Libya,

1:01:591:02:02

he was finally captured and brought back for trial.

1:02:021:02:05

NEWS REPORT: It was a humbling return home for Abdullah al-Senussi.

1:02:051:02:08

Once one of the most feared people in the country,

1:02:081:02:11

now surrendered by Libyans chanting for justice and revenge.

1:02:111:02:15

Senussi is alleged to have been one of the masterminds

1:02:151:02:17

behind the Lockerbie attack.

1:02:171:02:19

I felt sure Senussi knew the truth about Lockerbie.

1:02:191:02:24

But would he ever tell it?

1:02:241:02:26

And what about the rest of these three dozen men on trial?

1:02:261:02:29

What did they know?

1:02:291:02:31

I knew only one person who had contact with

1:02:321:02:34

these former Gaddafi officials personally -

1:02:341:02:37

Libya expert, Hafed Al Ghwell.

1:02:371:02:40

These men believe, "I didn't do anything wrong.

1:02:401:02:43

"I was a part of a government, I represented my nation.

1:02:431:02:47

And, you know, "I don't believe I did anything wrong."

1:02:471:02:52

I mean, some of these guys killed for Gaddafi,

1:02:541:02:58

you know, in the '70s and '80s.

1:02:581:03:01

Gaddafi knew they will always be loyal to him.

1:03:011:03:04

Because everything they have comes from him.

1:03:041:03:06

NEWS REPORT: The Reagan administration sees Colonel Gaddafi

1:03:081:03:11

as public enemy number one because he supports worldwide terrorism.

1:03:111:03:15

This Mad Dog of the Middle East has a goal of a world revolution.

1:03:151:03:20

Muslim fundamentalist revolution...

1:03:201:03:22

The seeds of Lockerbie, I have come to believe,

1:03:221:03:24

were sown in the days when President Reagan and Muammar Gaddafi became

1:03:241:03:27

locked in an escalating war of words and attacks.

1:03:271:03:30

The leaders of the Western world have called you a terrorist, Colonel Gaddafi.

1:03:301:03:34

Dressed in a designer jumpsuit and sporting sunglasses...

1:03:401:03:44

How did this guy come to be known to Americans, you know,

1:03:441:03:46

as this almost cartoonish but dangerous figure?

1:03:461:03:50

This is the persona Gaddafi wanted.

1:03:501:03:53

"This is how I'm going to make a mark on the world stage."

1:03:531:03:58

And he started picking fights...

1:03:581:04:01

for no reason.

1:04:011:04:02

The finger of suspicion is pointing hard tonight at Muammar Gaddafi, the

1:04:021:04:06

Libyan leader, in connection with Wednesday's nightclub explosion.

1:04:061:04:09

..Friday's bloody terrorist attacks on airports in Vienna and Rome.

1:04:091:04:12

Mr Gaddafi must know that we'll hold him fully accountable

1:04:121:04:16

for terrorist operations against Americans.

1:04:161:04:18

Gaddafi picked the fight. It wasn't the US's fault.

1:04:181:04:21

The fault of the US is that it reacted to him.

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It was called operation El Dorado Canyon.

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The attack on Libya almost 24 hours ago has left many Libyans

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dead or injured.

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Last night's raid took a heavy toll here. Libyan officials admit...

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I warned Colonel Gaddafi we would hold his regime accountable.

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He did open hostilities and we closed them.

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Libyan radio was recorded as saying that one of Muammar Gaddafi's

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houses was hit...

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The bombing of '86, it had a huge impact on Gaddafi's psyche.

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If the Americans were trying to wipe out Colonel Gaddafi's home, they couldn't have got much closer.

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It was a ten-minute bombing raid. He disappeared underground.

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Even his inner circle did not know exactly where he was

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for about three and a half months.

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And I know somebody who saw him during that period.

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He said he was completely devastated.

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He was in a massive depression and could not believe that...

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No matter what, this is politics.

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"Why are they trying to kill me and kill my family?"

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Abu Shalgam, one of Colonel Gaddafi's most senior diplomats,

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ready to talk about revenge.

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We said that we will attack any place.

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I think I am clear. I am speaking clearly.

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Abdel Rahman Shalgam later renounced Gaddafi.

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But as Libya's ambassador in Rome back in 1986,

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he threatened revenge for the US attack.

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This is the largest Libyan People's Bureau in Europe...

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He said Libyan embassies around the world were put on alert to

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look for American targets.

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And so the message was, "There will be revenge"? Exactly.

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The mass funeral was for victims of Monday night's air raid.

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Coffins were carried along to anti-American chants...

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And you mentioned someone pledging revenge. Yeah. Said Rashid.

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You said if Libya was involved in Lockerbie, Said Rashid could

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have organised it. Yeah, exactly.

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He could plan out the different parts of a complicated operation? Exactly.

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Shalgam said he tried often to get answers about Lockerbie from key

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members of the Gaddafi inner circle, like Abdullah Senussi.

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About Lockerbie? About Lockerbie.

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But Shalgam was much more certain about the Libyan role

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in another attack against the Americans,

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two and half years before Lockerbie.

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The La Belle disco?

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It was around 2am when the bomb went off

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in the crowded La Belle discotheque.

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Police say there were about 500 people inside,

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many of them off-duty US soldiers.

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The cycle of revenge that ended in Lockerbie likely began

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here in Germany, when US servicemen at a Berlin nightclub

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were attacked in April of 1986.

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The evidence is now conclusive

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that the terrorist bombing of La Belle discotheque was planned

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and executed under the direct orders of the Libyan regime.

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Orders were sent from Tripoli...

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What interested me were clues that several of the men on my list

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were also involved in the disco bombing.

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Said Rashid seems to have led the attack but was never prosecuted.

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But there was another man who worked for him on the disco bombing,

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and this man would ultimately become the most significant figure

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in my search for answers about Lockerbie.

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Police have arrested a Libyan man suspected in the 1986 bombing

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of a discotheque in Berlin.

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A bombing widely seen as an attack against the United States.

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The man's name - Musbah Abulgasem Eter.

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The disco where the bomb went off was a hang-out for US...

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As it happened, I was able to track down Musbah Eter

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in Berlin in 2012, and he was willing to talk with me.

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TRANSLATION:

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Musbah Eter had spent years in a German prison for the disco bombing.

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I tried myself to understand Eter's past.

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Musbah Eter arrived in Germany in 1984,

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an intelligence operative working undercover at the Libyan Embassy

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along with dozens of others, all of whom were under

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surveillance by the East German secret police, the Stasi.

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By late March of 1986,

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Eter was deeply involved with the plot to bomb the Berlin disco.

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Some ten years later, he confessed to the German authorities.

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And it was in that confession where Eter first mentioned a Libyan

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bomb expert who played a key role in the plot.

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Eter described a Libyan who brought the bomb

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and instructed him how to assemble it, how to put it together,

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There was a Libyan bomb expert?

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A Libyan bomb expert, yes. Do you remember the name of that person?

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Eter always referred to him as "Abugela".

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And, of course, sorry, as a German prosecutor,

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I have no idea how to spell Abugela.

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I would probably spell it like "jelly" or something.

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So I asked him, put it down, please.

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And this is what he did.

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And he wrote "neger" - black skin.

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But here, in German,

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it doesn't have the negative meaning it has in the US.

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And that's the only description he wrote there of him,

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so it must be as most important feature? Yes, yes.

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That he is very dark-skinned? Mm-hm, yeah.

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Eter's story was credible, it was highly accurate

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and it fit in with the information we had obtained

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through the Stasi files.

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Danke schoen.

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More La Belle files? Yes, this is only part of it.

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The Stasi had a lot of information about the Libyans?

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The Stasi had a lot of information on the Libyans...

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'The East German secret police, the Stasi,

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'kept a close watch on the Libyans in East Berlin back in the 1980s.

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'And they had the La Belle suspects under close surveillance

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'before and after the bombing.

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'A lot of the more sensitive files they compiled were likely destroyed.

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'But enough were preserved to help make the case against the Libyans for La Belle,

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'and I was hoping there were still enough documents left to make

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'the key link to Lockerbie.'

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Could we see one, then?

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To my surprise,

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I was able to find Abu Agela's name all over the Stasi files.

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After the disco bombing, it seemed,

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he stayed in room 526 at Berlin's Metropol Hotel.

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He used various codenames and aliases, but the Stasi was

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also able to record his real Libyan passport number - 835004.

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And this number turned out to be exactly what I was looking for.

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The missing piece of a puzzle I had been trying to assemble for years.

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You know, I looked at the Stasi files and I was surprised to see this,

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Abu Agela and his passport number there,

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because in the Lockerbie case,

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there were CIA cables that describe Abu Agela's name and his role

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and showed his passport number and there was a match.

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Would that surprise you, that the bomb expert in La Belle

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was also involved in Lockerbie?

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Of course, I'm not surprised that Abugela would also do the same

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for other bombs, including Lockerbie.

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So what did all this really mean?

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I kept coming back to those images I had gotten from state TV in Libya.

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More specifically, I was focused on the man I believe was Abu Agela

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there in the back seat, greeting Megrahi when he returned home.

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Records show that Megrahi and Abu Agela were travelling on

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the same flight several times before Lockerbie, flying in

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and out of the island of Malta where the bomb was said to have originated.

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In the days and weeks before the bombing,

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the CIA's informant at the Malta airport suspected that Megrahi

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and Abu Agela were planning some type of special operation.

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We absolutely were convinced that he was involved

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and that he may have been the guy that wired up the bomb,

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that did all the technical stuff for the explosive.

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But we had no other... We didn't know who else he was. Right.

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Basically, this CIA assessment tells a story.

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'I walked the original Lockerbie investigators through

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'the trail that led me to the Libyan bomb expert.'

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And Mas'ud Abu Agela.

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Passport number - 835004.

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It is the same as the Stasi documents.

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So, Megrahi is travelling twice before Lockerbie

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with the bomb expert from La Belle disco.

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That is pretty interesting.

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It would have been great to have known all that.

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That's amazing.

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So, during the La Belle investigation,

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they find some Stasi documents. This is from April '86.

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This is the week after La Belle disco.

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And then you find this name.

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Hmm.

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And you find the passport number. 835004. Is that the same?

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Yes, it certainly is! There is a solid connection here.

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There's the same passport number... It is a hell of a coincidence.

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And there is a witness in Berlin.

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His name is Musbah Eter.

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He is the Libyan who confessed in the La Belle case who names Abu Agela.

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He looks like this.

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And what does he say?

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He says basically Abu Agela armed the bomb for the La Belle disco.

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Yeah. It is in German, but I will give you from the English side.

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I mean... You know, if agents brought me this now and,

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you know, I'm not there,

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I don't know what the... But as a prosecutor assessing...

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You go talk to this guy, you find out what he says,

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you get his story down,

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you try and figure out how you can corroborate him.

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I returned to Berlin several times to learn more from Musbah Eter.

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At this point, I told him my brother had been killed

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in the Lockerbie bombing

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and that I was hoping he might be able to help me find the truth.

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He took me to the building

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where he and Abu Agela had worked together in the mid-1980s.

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I was hoping he would tell me more about Lockerbie.

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But then, in the middle of our filming,

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Eter struck up a conversation

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with a businessman who now worked at the old embassy.

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Eter persuaded the businessman to take him inside.

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And back in his old office,

1:17:301:17:31

Eter kept getting deeper into the details of what he had done here.

1:17:311:17:35

Libya has descended into its worst violence

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since the uprising that ousted Muammar Gaddafi three years ago.

1:18:401:18:44

The news from Libya was consistently grim.

1:18:441:18:48

Some people I talked to there quietly longed for the order

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of the old regime.

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In Libya, a trial has begun for the sons of Muammar Gaddafi

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and more than two dozen of his ex-officials.

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At the same time in Tripoli,

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the new government was continuing its trial of former Gaddafi officials.

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Ex-spy chief Abdullah al-Senussi was among the defendants

1:19:051:19:08

fenced off behind bars.

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From corruption to war crimes related to the 2011 uprising...

1:19:101:19:15

The Libyans were interested in crimes committed during the revolution.

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But I was listening at home for details about the men on my list.

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Then, in the middle of the trial,

1:19:241:19:26

a photo arrived by e-mail from Musbah Eter.

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It was poor quality and came with no explanation,

1:19:311:19:34

but in the centre of the frame was a dark-skinned man.

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The blue jumpsuit and prison bars made it pretty clear that he

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was one of the men on trial in Tripoli.

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So I went looking for every photo I could find of these men on trial.

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And there in one of them, behind Abdullah Senussi,

1:19:501:19:53

the former intelligence chief, was the dark-skinned man.

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The more I looked, the more photos I found of him.

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I captured these images and sent them to Musbah Eter in Berlin.

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He said this was indeed the bomb expert Abu Agela. 100%.

1:20:091:20:13

It was hard to believe I was now looking at the man

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I had been trying to find for so many years.

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But I still wanted more confirmation, so I connected with a human rights

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worker who had been monitoring the trials in Libya.

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Hi, Ken. Hey, how are you?

1:20:321:20:34

We can attempt cameras but I'm not sure it's going to...

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'I told her I was looking for.

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'At first she couldn't find Abu Agela's name on the list.

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'But then...'

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Wait, wait. Wait, I have a name.

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It is just written slightly differently.

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What does it look like to you?

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I think it's defendant number 28 in this case.

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So his first name is Abu A'ujilah, that would be his first name.

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Mm-hmm.

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And to my understanding, the biggest case against him seems to be

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the bomb-making in relation to the 2011 conflict.

1:21:061:21:10

Charges of setting up bombs and vehicles. Wow.

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That sounds like him. Yeah.

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I would say that is for sure the same person.

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I'm interested in the story that connects La Belle, Lockerbie...

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So, I am mainly responsible for collecting evidence.

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Well, that is really what I am interested in.

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'I made contact with a German lawyer who had extensive files

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'on Libyan terror operations.'

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I am deeply interested in all the nitty-gritty of who did what

1:21:421:21:45

and there is one person I think whose name comes up...

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What is his name?

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Mas'ud Abu Agela. Yeah, yeah.

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We have been checking the finals

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but we haven't found anything on this name.

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What I would suggest is that we meet each other...

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The lawyer was willing to help me track the bomb expert,

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Abu Agela, who he said was still wanted for the disco bombing.

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The lawyer was also interested in the link to Lockerbie.

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In both cases, the key witness would turn out to be

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the lawyer's client, Musbah Eter.

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Since my last trip to Berlin, I learned the US government

1:22:181:22:21

had contacted Eter.

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They had apparently heard about the link I had found between him,

1:22:231:22:27

the Libyan bomb expert and Lockerbie.

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I believe that the law enforcement people,

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they are motivated and they take it very serious.

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'Andreas Schulz is Musbah Eter's lawyer.

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'He was careful not to reveal too many details

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'of the ongoing investigation.'

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The competent authority in the US is the FBI for this case

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and that means that the FBI was here.

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How about Lockerbie? Recently, yes.

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But the main problem is time.

1:22:581:23:01

Time is running against the investigation

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because these people are at a certain age.

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But, you know, this is in the hands of the US authorities.

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We put all the power and capability the US has...

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I think there are always ways to get a hand on the culprits

1:23:151:23:21

of Lockerbie, so it is a question of their political will.

1:23:211:23:27

Since the bombing in 1988,

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the FBI has maintained Lockerbie as an open case.

1:23:331:23:36

But to my knowledge, they never found a witness with real

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first-hand information about the plot.

1:23:401:23:42

That is until they apparently became aware of my reporting

1:23:431:23:46

about Musbah Eter, then requested to meet with him

1:23:461:23:49

several times at the US Embassy in Berlin.

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It was in these meetings, I later found out,

1:23:531:23:58

Eter told the FBI that he had no doubt that Lockerbie was

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carried out by Libyan intelligence.

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He said the operation was led by Said Rashid,

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with at least double the casualties.

1:24:131:24:15

During the year before Lockerbie, Eter said,

1:24:171:24:19

Rashid hatched a plan to take down a US plane.

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He said Abdelbaset al-Megrahi was part of these early discussions

1:24:221:24:26

and would be a key member of the team that would carry it out.

1:24:261:24:31

Most significantly, Eter said he had conversations with

1:24:311:24:34

the technical expert who he had worked with on the disco bombing,

1:24:341:24:37

Abu Agela,

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and that Abu Agela personally told him

1:24:391:24:41

that he had helped carry out Lockerbie.

1:24:411:24:44

Abu Agela apparently also took responsibility for La Belle

1:24:451:24:48

and the bombing of a French passenger plane that killed 170 people.

1:24:481:24:52

If he said these things and there are facts to back up

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some of the things he says, and it sounds like there are,

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I don't know why they would not want to bring that to court.

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Right.

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If there is somebody alive today that was involved in this

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and there is knowledge of that, we should be going after them.

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We should be going after them.

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We would have gone after them in 1991,

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especially if we have this kind of information.

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We would have indicted, certainly would have indicted him.

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When it came to Abu Agela, the original Lockerbie investigators did

1:25:311:25:35

gather important evidence that they were never able to use against him.

1:25:351:25:39

This evidence centred around the airport in Malta

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just off the Libyan coast where the bomb was said to have originated.

1:25:421:25:46

Here, they found the landing card that showed Abu Agela had entered

1:25:461:25:51

Malta the week before the bombing, complete with the passport number

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that matched the CIA and Stasi records.

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They even had Abu Agela's fingerprints.

1:25:571:26:00

Then they found the passenger list for the flight that Abu Agela

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took home to Tripoli the day of the bombing,

1:26:051:26:07

possibly after helping arm the device that was then sent on to fight 103.

1:26:071:26:11

Joining Abu Agela on that flight was Abdelbaset al-Megrahi,

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who was travelling under a known alias.

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All of this evidence was gathered years ago

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but it took Musbah Eter's statements in Berlin

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to apparently tie it all together and potentially

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generate the first new charges in the case in some 25 years.

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The more we go deeper into this, the more we realise

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we were always on the right track and we were always right about this.

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Right. But how does that make you feel? Like...

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I mean, where are we now? I don't know.

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It has gone, you know, about as far as I can go.

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You know, what happened inside that embassy, it is out of my hands

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and Eter is now potentially a witness in a federal case.

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He is not a guy in my movie any more.

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I think you have pushed as hard as you can push. This is...

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Maybe this is as far as you can go, so...

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The whole purpose of finding them was to come face-to-face,

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sit there with someone and say,

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"You know you killed my brother, and he was a real person

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"and I loved him and other people loved him

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"and you shouldn't have done that." Yeah.

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