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Quiet, please. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
That's it. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:05 | |
A fabulous match, a really fabulous match, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
and I believe it's one of the greatest, | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
if not THE greatest match, I've ever seen at Wimbledon. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
Wimbledon, the world's greatest tennis tournament, | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
and the setting for some of the sport's most unforgettable moments. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
For British tennis fans, it's the green, green grass of home, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
and for two weeks every summer, a national obsession. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Over the years, we've been on the edge of our seats, | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
glued to the television, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
watching legend after legend battle it out shot by shot, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
point by point, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
fist pump by fist pump, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
in a quest for the ultimate victory on Centre Court. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
Today, we're celebrating some of the most ground-breaking | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
of those players. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
The champions who broke down boundaries, | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
set new levels of excellence... | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
He's done it, he really has done it. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
..and, in some cases, shocked us with their antics. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
They made us gasp... | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
You cannot be serious! | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
..then made us think, then made us gasp again, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
as they fought it out in this most hallowed of sporting venues. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
They are the game changers. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
The early 1970s belonged to two true game changers. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
Billie Jean King and Arthur Ashe. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
Both in their own way were pioneers. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
They were at the top of their game and, with the world watching them, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
had a platform that would allow them to raise awareness | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
of long-standing sexual and racial discrimination within their sport | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
and, through their sport, within the world at large. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
Billie Jean King was the Queen of Wimbledon. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
She had established the Women's Tennis Association | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
and threatened to boycott tournaments | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
if women's prize money wasn't the same as men's. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
And if that wasn't enough to make her famous, there were her tantrums. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
She was throwing wobblies on the court long before John McEnroe. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
And tennis traditionalists didn't always approve. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
The game is possibly not quite so attractive today | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
with the emphasis on some of the girls, like... | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
..Billie Jean King, who charges around the court | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
very much like a man, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
rather than the old days when you had somebody like Doris Hart, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
who looked exceptionally graceful on court. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
Yes, I'm not very fond of Billie Jean. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
I think she's too fond of herself. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:38 | |
She was a very nice young lady the first year she won. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
But the second year wasn't so hot. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
I know we're all out to win, but she really doesn't like losing. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
I think they liked me until I won. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
Then they weren't so enthralled with me. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
But I think most players have said that that's the way it is | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
around the world, not just Wimbledon. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
But Wimbledon...that does happen. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
Then I think as you get older, then they appreciate you again, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
cos they can see you're in your twilight years | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
and you might not be there much longer. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:09 | |
You said it was good and you called the score. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
How can you change your mind now? | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
'You know, certain days, everyone in the world gets up | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
'and they don't feel on top of the world | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
'and they have to go to the office at nine o'clock. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
'Sometimes a tennis player has that same feeling,' | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
and I can't walk up to the microphone and say, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
"Look, I feel lousy today, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
"will you forgive me that I'm having a little temper tantrum?" | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
You know, "I care very much whether I win this match | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
"and I hope I don't bother you." | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
That's the way you feel when you're out there. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
But you can't do that, can you? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
In 1969, BBC cameras followed Billie Jean | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
as she attempted to win her fourth consecutive Wimbledon singles title. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
Things didn't go to plan. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
At least she's performing on her favourite stage, the Centre Court, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
as befits a reigning champion. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
To some people, however, like the ticket touts, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
she's just another tennis player who might do a deal. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
-Anything to sell, Billie? -No... | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
-Going to win this year, or what? -Am I going to win this year? | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
-I don't know. -I've got a few quid on you. -I never sell tickets. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
No, I know you don't. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
-So... -You don't buy them, neither, do you? | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
-Must win today. -Hi. -You've got to win. -Thanks. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
Can I have your autograph, please? | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
I'm sorry, but I have to prepare, get ready. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
Sorry. I would otherwise. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
No, I'm sorry, I have to practise. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
If I do it for you, then I've got to do it for everybody, right? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Sorry. Later. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
One point to the championship for Ann Jones. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
Game, set and match. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
3-6, 6-3, 6-2. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
Hold it up, Ann. Hold it up, you big fake. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
You waited long enough. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
The climb to the top takes special qualities | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
and gives back its own rewards on the way. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Only when you've made it, when you are a champion, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
can you appreciate how much more vulnerable you've become to defeat. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:31 | |
Do victories last a shorter time than defeats? | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
Oh, much. Defeats last a lifetime, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
victories only last for a fleeting moment. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
At least for me. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:40 | |
How long is it going to take you to get over this one? | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
I'll never get over it. I mean, any time... | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
You could ask me 20 years from now, that's still how I feel about it, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
I'll still get the same painful feeling within myself | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
that I have at this moment. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
But that was a rare defeat. | 0:05:58 | 0:05:59 | |
By the time she retired, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
Billie Jean King had won an astonishing six Wimbledon singles, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
ten women's doubles, and four mixed doubles titles. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
Now on to Arthur Ashe. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:10 | |
On the one hand, a hard political animal, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
happy to take the lead during a players' strike in 1971. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
No tournament in the world, no tennis event can make anyone play. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
But on the other hand, a deeply sensitive man who, during a match, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
would enter a state of meditation. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
What you are trying to achieve here is to empty your mind. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:35 | |
..And by two sets to one. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Arthur Ashe... one game away from the championship. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
You try to put your entire being, mentally and physically, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
on automatic pilot while you're playing tennis. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
The fewer decisions | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
you have to consciously make, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
the better. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
Another way to say it is to converge | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
your thought processes to such a razor's edge that... | 0:06:58 | 0:07:05 | |
everything is concentrated on the razor's edge, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
so everything else is blocked out. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
And you forget the score, you forget where you are, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
you forget what your name is. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
But the experience of | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
I guess what some people may think of as the inner game, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
that happened so infrequently that I guess there is a mystique about it | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
because it didn't happen every day. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
But only one time, albeit a very important time, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
when I actually felt, before playing the match, "I can't lose today," | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
and that was the final with Jimmy Connors at Wimbledon. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
40-15. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
And his conviction was borne out. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
His shock victory over Connors in 1975 | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
goes down as one of the greatest upsets in Wimbledon history. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
That victory also made Arthur Ashe | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
one of the most famous black men on the planet. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
A role model and a significant voice for change. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
I remember reading a... | 0:08:05 | 0:08:06 | |
..a People magazine, which is a very popular magazine in the US | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
which does short features on people, | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
that had a big cover story on Elton John. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
The last sentence was... | 0:08:18 | 0:08:19 | |
he would trade it all for the men's singles title at Wimbledon, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
which I thought was... | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
I wanted to call him up and say, "You'd better stay where you are." | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
Being world-famous and being black means that, wherever you go, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
whether you like it or not, you're a sort of ambassador, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
a representative of your race. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
Is that a responsibility that you feel? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Oh, yes. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
I don't like it, but I feel it, and I don't shrug it off. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
Mainly because there does still persist in the world myths about... | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
..on athletes in general, that they are all brawn and no brains. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:57 | |
Specifically black athletes, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
that they have even less brain and more brawn, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
because we tend to do disproportionately well | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
in athletics, running, jumping, whatever, boxing. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
And I like to fight the myth. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
And I assume that role heartily. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
There are lots of us, athletes in general, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
and black athletes in particular, who can think as well as run, jump, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
hit tennis balls, dump basketballs, box or whatever. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
Of course, it also means that you have a certain power. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
I mean, because you're famous... | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
Only as long as you're still winning. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
If my ranking suddenly dropped to 50... | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
I mean, I'd still have certain power, I guess, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
because I once was up near the top, but... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
If you care to visit South Africa or you care to draw attention | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
to the apartheid situation... | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
-Yes. -..then you pull a lot of weight. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
Erm... | 0:09:53 | 0:09:54 | |
I don't think... Yes. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
I wouldn't say a lot of weight. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
I would say weight, yes, but just how much, I really don't know. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
And after my four trips to South Africa, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
I really can't assess how much it has... | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
Although, I guess I stick out so much in that situation that... | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
..there have been lots of movements started to stop me from going. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
So if they think that much of my clout, then... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
..maybe I am having some influence. But that's... | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
Are you conscious in any other way of your colour, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
or has success opened all the doors... | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
You're always... Oh, no, you're always conscious of your colour. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
If you're Polish or if you're Jewish | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
or if you're Russian or if you're French... | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
It's not as immediately obvious as being black. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
You're walking down the street, you don't know what that person is. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
You know definitely what I am. But... | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
..you get used to living with that and it's not really a problem... | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
..unless sometimes I'm in New York City | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
and I want to get a taxi. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Sometimes they won't stop because they think I'm going to Harlem. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:06 | |
I don't live in Harlem, but anyway... | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
While Billie Jean King and Arthur Ashe | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
were breaking new ground in tennis, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
another star was about to start breaking hearts. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Bjorn Borg first hit Wimbledon in 1973 | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
and changed things forever by bringing a new Swedish sex appeal | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
to the game. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:24 | |
A teenage sensation, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
his sudden popularity helped to boost TV audiences and prize-money. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
And in 1979, he became the first player | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
to earn 1 million in a single season. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Bjorn Borg is locked in the dressing room, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
unable to walk about even at Hurlingham, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
lest he be mobbed by teenyboppers. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
Excuse me. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
His entrance to play an exhibition game | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
is stage-managed like that of a pop star, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
which, of course, is what he is. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
Bjorn Borg is 18, the son of a Stockholm grocer, | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
who this year has already won £40,000. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
He plays a rough, unorthodox game, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
playing his opponents as if fighting in a bar-room brawl. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
Borg arrived last year at Wimbledon for the first time | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
to scenes of near riot. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
Police have to beat a path for him to every court | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
through mobs of girls who want to touch him. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
Borg fits uneasily into the British tennis scene, | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
as do the other young champions. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
He makes a lot of money, but pays a high price for his success. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
What do you feel about the teenyboppers | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
who come up to you and mob you? | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
What do you feel about them? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:44 | |
For the moment, I don't care about that, because... | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
I think it's very good, because if you play your match | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
and they are cheering you... | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
For me, you know, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:53 | |
maybe it's very disturbing for the opponent, you know? | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
They maybe get mad, you know? | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
That's good, I think it's great. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
So you're prepared to use the cheering and the adulation | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
-to help you win matches. -Yeah, for sure. -Who are your idols? | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
The people you admire most? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
For the moment, I don't have any idols. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
But for the first two years, I had Laver like an idol | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
when I started to play tennis, but, no, I don't have an idol. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
-Why not? -I think because, for the first, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
now I've been playing so well, you know, I can beat everyone. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
That's why, I think. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
-You are your own idol, do you think? -Yeah, why not? | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Is there anybody in the world you'd rather be except you? | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Er... Yes, maybe sometimes I want to be a private person, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
so nobody knows you. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
When I go out, nobody looks at me and things like that. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
That happens sometimes. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
But is there any other tennis player | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
or any other public figure you'd like to be except Bjorn Borg? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
-No, I don't think so. -You like yourself? | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
Yeah, I like myself. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
Borgmania culminated in one of Wimbledon's greatest ever finals - | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
his 1980 clash with the man who was, in many ways, his polar opposite. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
John McEnroe. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:08 | |
So, having had seven championship points, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Borg now has two more. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
That's it. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Borg. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
But the intense media pressure on Borg eventually became too much. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
In 1983, aged just 26, he announced to the world that he was retiring, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
and then explained his decision to the BBC. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
In the beginning, it was fun, because, you know... | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
..it was a new thing, you got very excited. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
But I think by the end of it, it... | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
it was a little bit too much. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
I mean, even if you still enjoyed it. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
But to have the pressure, there was no way I could walk outside. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
Was there a moment where you sort of suddenly said to Mariana, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
"Mariana, that's it, I'm finished"? | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
How did it happen? | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
It happened in November. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
We were practising in Stockholm, I was playing... | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
..practising with the Swedish juniors up there. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
And from September to November, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
I'd been trying hard and I've been really forcing myself to go out | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
and work for hours and really to see if I enjoy it | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
or if I don't enjoy it. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:30 | |
So just one morning when I woke up, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
before we went to practise, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
I said to Mariana that I'm going to retire from tennis. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
She started to laugh because she thought I was crazy. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
I mean, like I'm joking in the morning. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
She said, "No, no, no." | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
I said, "Really, I'm going to retire from tennis, because... | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
"now I'm sure that I don't enjoy it any more. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
"I don't have the same motivation." | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Once you announced it and it was out, did you feel good? | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
Most like relief. Even when I took the decision, found the decision, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
like I had it, I'm going to retire, it was like a relief for me, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
because when you have this... | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
..you think about retirement is such a big step | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
and when you have it inside, thinking about it every day, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
"Should I not retire? Should I retire? | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
"Is it the right decision?" or whatever. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
But when I did it for myself, it was like a relief. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
And then when it came out even later, there was even more relief, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
because I knew that every single one knew about it. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
You have been one of the greatest players ever, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
which was your ambition, of course. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
So you've given tennis a tremendous amount, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
tennis has given you a tremendous amount. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
Well over £10 million, which is an awful lot of money. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
So what have you got in terms of... | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
to show for it, in tangible terms? | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
The shop here on the seafront. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
An apartment here on the seafront. An apartment in Long Island. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
A speedboat out there somewhere? | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
-Somewhere. -Is that right? -Yes, I have a boat, yes. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Really, a fast one? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:06 | |
It's pretty fast, yeah, because I like to... | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
I enjoy waterskiing quite a lot. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
-Do you? -Yes. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:12 | |
It's been a great 10 years, 12 years. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
-No regrets? -No regrets. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
I mean, I had ten wonderful years, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
and, you know, even if I missed a few things during those ten years, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
I had a lot of fun. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:26 | |
I enjoyed myself and I love tennis. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
I mean, I had ten great years and I don't really regret anything. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:35 | |
With Borg gone, it was time for another groundbreaker | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
to step into the spotlight. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
Yes, step forward, Boris Becker. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
In 1985, he showed Wimbledon | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
and the world what unseeded teenagers are capable of | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
by winning the tournament aged just 17. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
He became, and remains, the youngest ever men's singles champion, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
and that victory altered his life forever. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
He's such a familiar face around Wimbledon now | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
that it's hard to remember Boris the boy, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
but here he is talking tennis with the late Sir Terry Wogan | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
a short time after that first big win. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
Have you found...? Have you found that people are... | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
a lot of fans gathering around you now? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
Well, now it's more than before Wimbledon, that's for sure. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
Yes? | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
When I'm walking down the street | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
and the people are coming to me and want to shake my hand | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
or want to talk to me, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
it's quite amazing how many people that is. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
It's not amazing at all. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
Obviously, it's a naive question, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
but how has life changed for you since you won Wimbledon? | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
Or do you notice anything? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
Because you're playing tennis most of the time. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
Well, I hope not that I've changed since Wimbledon. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
I think the people have changed to me. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
You haven't changed, you don't think? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
Er... Maybe a little bit, but, you know, it's... | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
What little...? What little bit has changed? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:19:00 | 0:19:01 | |
I'm a little bit older now. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
I think you're going to be 18 any minute, aren't you? | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
-In 12 days now. -18. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
You're an old man, Boris, you're over the hill. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
Yes. Then I'm officially a man. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
Officially a man. You can drive a car. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
It's amazing. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
How are you coping with the pressures? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
With the press conferences? With the photographers? | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
With people who are now...? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
You had a private life before Wimbledon, | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
you've had no private life since then, have you? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
Yeah, at the beginning, it was a little bit difficult for me, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
you know, to understand that now when I'm going on the street, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
people are coming to me or want to talk to me. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
I have to give press conferences. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
When I'm talking, there are, like, 50, 60 journalists | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
all over the world there, and they listen to every word I'm saying. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
But now I think I've got used to it, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
and sometimes I even enjoy it a little bit. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
John McEnroe said last week, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
and I know you don't pay any attention to him, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
but he said that if you continue to throw yourself around the court | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
the way you do, you will be an old man before you're 21. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
Um... | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
I mean, you'll do some damage to yourself. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
-Yes... -HE KNOCKS ON TABLE | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
So far nothing happened to me. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:22 | |
I hope you don't think that was wood. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
He's just knocked on plastic, then. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:28 | |
But I'm not diving on a hard court, or not very often. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
No, you're not that foolish. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
No, but I like to dive on grass, for example. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
Yes. Can you think of, like Borg, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
getting fed up of it all after a few years and retiring at 24? | 0:20:42 | 0:20:47 | |
Well, you know, I just started to play tennis, | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
I'm not thinking about retiring now. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
No. No, but you can see it stretching ahead of you, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
tournament after tournament, year after year, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
millions and millions of pounds. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
-Won't you get tired? -Er... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
I just can't say for the moment. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Tennis... I even play tennis when I'm on holiday, for example. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
Tennis is for me not only a job, it's also my hobby. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
So I don't think I would quit before I'm... | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
I don't know how old. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
But I was wondering how long you would go on playing | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
before it becomes a job and less of a hobby, less fun. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
I have no idea. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
What about your social life? | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
Have you any time for a social life | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
-with the tournaments and going around and playing? -Er... | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
Well, not very much, you know? | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
I'm playing a lot of tennis, but... | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
..sometimes I'm reading. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
I've started to read now because my coach said it's good for me. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
-Reading? -Yes. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
Does your coach let you go out with girls? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
Er... Well... | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
Er... I... Yes, I do like girls, but my coach... | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
he doesn't like it so much. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
Becker's youth wasn't the only thing that made him a game changer. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
Boom-Boom Boris, as he came to be known, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
also had one of the fastest serves ever seen in tennis. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
John McEnroe said... | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
IMITATING MCENROE: "No-one has ever hit the ball that hard at me." | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
It was the birth of a new style of play - the power game. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
A new generation of graphite rackets | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
became the weapon of choice for this new generation of power merchants. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
The appliance of science has made it all possible. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
Racket manufacturers have plundered the materials | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
developed for shuttle missions | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
to produce their brand of wide-body, power-shaft, biokinetic, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:42 | |
dynamic-damping, transient-contoured, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
stress-reduced thunder sticks. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
They are truly the explosive product of space-age technology. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
The new graphite-shafted monsters make the old wooden frames | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
look like antiques. But tests carried out by Mark Philippoussis, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
the world's fastest server, cast doubt on the theory. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
The graphite shaft, the average serve was faster, but not by much. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
The real reason the game has changed, says Philippoussis, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
is a new brand of player - bigger, stronger and fitter - | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
not just a new brand of racket. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
With graphite, obviously, you get a bit more power over it and control, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
but, yeah, I think it is the players. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
I mean, if someone hits the ball extremely well and hard, | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
they are going to hit the ball hard no matter what they play with. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
I think it's more the player. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
Guys are, after all, getting bigger and stronger anyway. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
They're training harder than they used to. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
It's gotten more serious in a way, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
so in a way it's good that these guys are better prepared. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
So the last thing you do is need to put some graphite | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
or titanium in their hand | 0:23:39 | 0:23:40 | |
that gives them the ability to hit a ball 130mph. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
You barely can even see the ball, especially at Wimbledon. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
And I think the fans and the players deserve more than that. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
At yesterday's Stella Artois Championship, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
Goran Ivanisevic was so worn down by the Philippoussis serve, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
he asked a ball girl to take the heat for a while. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
Philippoussis, who went on to win the tournament, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
gallantly changed tactics and joined in the longest rally of the match. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
What a lovely moment. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
I suggest the idea of going back to a wood racket | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
because I think I'd prefer to see a Pete Sampras | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
show more of his versatility, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
which I'm assuming he'd be capable of doing, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
or Agassi or the other top player. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
It wasn't just the rackets that looked different in the '80s. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
Since the very first tournament, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
Wimbledon has been famous for its strict rules on dress and behaviour. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
Those rules have often been tested over the years, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
but never quite as much as they were being tested now. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
It seems strange to see you without a headband. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
Did you throw the last one away or something? | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
No. Well, that quite often happens, actually. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
Not so much in London here, but at home. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
-Yes. -You know, I walked down the street, for instance, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
and people really don't have any idea who I am. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
But then somebody says, "Oh, there goes Pat Cash." | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
"Oh, I didn't recognise him, he hasn't got his headband on." | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
-That's right. -People come up to me and say, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
"Will you put this over your head?" You know? | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Like a headband, so they can recognise me. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
Well, it is your signature. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
How did it grow up that you threw the headband to the fans? | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
How did that happen? | 0:25:10 | 0:25:11 | |
Well, it really just happened this year at Wimbledon. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
My second round match, where I was just so happy to win the match, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
it was a very tight match against Russell Simpson, from New Zealand, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
and I was pretty nervous when I went on there. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
It was a close match and I was just very happy after the match. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
Somebody said, "Can I have your headband?" | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
And somebody on the other side said, "Yes, give me one, too." | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
So I ended up passing a lot of headbands and sweatbands around. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
Pat Cash wasn't the only player whose behaviour raised eyebrows. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
In fact, he looked positively restrained compared to some. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
Andre Agassi's colour choices were disturbing enough, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
but he would go on to change perceptions of tennis | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
in a far more serious way after his retirement. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
In his autobiography, he admitted to taking drugs, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
revealing that he'd used crystal meth | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
and failed a doping test in 1997. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
He confessed that he'd also lied to avoid a ban, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
blaming a contaminated drink for the drug's presence in his body, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
which he talks about here with the BBC's Stephen Sackur. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
Perhaps the most difficult thing in your professional life, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
which was your taking of illegal drugs. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
-Yeah. -Something which has attracted a huge amount of comment | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
and criticism from people inside tennis. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
Are you disappointed with the reaction of, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
for example, Martina Navratilova, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
who says that she really resents the fact that you took drugs? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:32 | |
She believes you should have been suspended, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
she points out that you beat other professionals | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
at a time when, actually, you should have been suspended. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
And she's been very harsh about it. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
Well, no question. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:41 | |
My first disappointment is that I ever took drugs | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
in the first place, | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
that I ever found myself at that stage in my life. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
But as I look at how that all played out, you know, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
I have to ask one question, which is, have you really read the book? | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
Have you seen where this fit in my life? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
Why, what the drug was? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
Not performance enhancing, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
but a recreational, destructional drug. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
-Crystal meth. -Crystal meth is a term they use. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
There's a technical name for it as well. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
And what happened during that time I actually took the drug, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
I mean, I didn't win anything. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
If you actually went to the rule book at the time, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
it would have been a three-month suspension | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
during a time when I wasn't even playing tennis. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
I suppose one point, specific point, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
about the drugs issue | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
is that you wrote a fairly lame, it has to be said, excuse | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
to the ATP Tour as to how the substance | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
had been found in your body. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
And rather than check it out or really challenge you, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
they accepted it, and you were not suspended. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
And it looks as though you were not suspended - | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
and this obviously goes back to 1997 - | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
it looks as though you were not suspended because you were still, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
despite poor form, a big name in tennis. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
You were, in a sense, too big to bring down. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
Do you think we as outsiders can assume | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
that that philosophy may still be there in professional tennis, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
they don't want to know if some star names may be dabbling in drugs? | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
I think the cynicism is good | 0:28:06 | 0:28:08 | |
cos it makes you hold things up to the light. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
But I do think you have to look at it in its full context, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
and this is pre-age of steroids in sports | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
and this is that time when tennis was actually leading | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
in their own desire to monitor the habits, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
the usage of illegal or recreational drugs for their sport. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
We had a system in place, we oversaw the system in place, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
and maybe as a result of my case, or others... | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
I don't know about the business | 0:28:33 | 0:28:34 | |
of how everything has gone down over that particular... | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
But that's really what I'm asking. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:38 | |
Do you think there are still stars who are as so big | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
that the ATP Tour doesn't want to know? | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
Well, this is the point I'm getting at, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:44 | |
which is, as a result of that, we've now gone to a third party governance | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
over our drug oversight. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
So we now use Wada, which is recognised as an independent party. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
The anti-doping agency. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:58 | |
Yes. ATP has no say so now in any results that happen. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
And that's been for a long time. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:04 | |
I consider our sport to be very, very clean, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
and I consider us to be on the leading edge of that accountability. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
Andre Agassi was, of course, one of a long, long line | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
of overseas Wimbledon champions. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
McEnroe, Connors, Ashe, King, Evert, all Americans. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
Borg, Swedish. Becker, German. Cash, Australian. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
We Brits were forever being reminded | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
that our last singles champion was Virginia Wade in 1977. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
As for a men's champion, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:32 | |
that was the legendary Fred Perry about 250 years before that. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
Or at least that's how long it felt. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
We needed something to give, someone to really shout for. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
We needed hope. We needed Tim Henman. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
OK, so Tiger Tim never quite managed to pull off the big one, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
but he did give us a lot of excitement, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
altered our expectations, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
and he was the closest thing we've had to a contender | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
since Slade had been number one in the charts. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
# So, cum on, feel the noize | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
# Girls, grab the boys... # | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
Why didn't it quite happen for him? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
The all too common accusation was that Tim was too TIM-id. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
A surprisingly and totally justifiably feisty Henman | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
defends himself here against those wrongly but widely-held opinions. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
Pete Sampras, a friend and, of course, a former world number one, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
Wimbledon champion goodness knows how many times, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
he has recently assessed you like this. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
Is Tim the best player in the world? No. Is he a truly great player? | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
No. But he's an extremely talented player, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
and if things fall into place, it can happen. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
You still have that drive and ambition? | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
-Absolutely. -Yes. -As I said to you, why wouldn't I? | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
I've obviously got a pretty solid record at Wimbledon | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
over the years and, you know, the last 12 months, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
2004 was my best year. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
Absolutely, you know, you need some things to fall into place | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
and you need to play well at the right time | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
and you probably need a little bit of luck, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
but that's certainly the aim. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
But maybe it's not just luck, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
and, of course, luck plays its part in every sport. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
Do you sense that there's something maybe lacking mentally? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Because that appears to be the perception. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
-Whose perception? -The perception, for example, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
of a sports psychologist called John Syer. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
-Have I ever met him? -I don't know. -No. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
But he doesn't have to meet you, maybe, to do an analysis. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
-I think he does. -Does he? | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
Yeah, I think so. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:27 | |
Maybe he just makes his analysis from television | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
and seeing your body language on television. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
-You may say that's a big distance. -I think it is, yeah. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
He says that you've clearly got all the technical skills, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
-you're clearly fit. -I wouldn't agree with that. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
-Oh, really? -No, I think I could improve my technical skills. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
-In what way? -But it's like... Why is a sports psychologist | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
talking about my tennis technical skills? | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Well, let me get to the point, because you interrupted it. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
The point is that if you assume that he does have the technical skills - | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
I know you deny that - and he's looking after himself, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
-there must be a failure somewhere mentally. -Right. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
I suppose my question to you is, after all that preamble, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
my question to you is, psychologically, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
are you properly prepared? | 0:32:03 | 0:32:04 | |
Absolutely. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:05 | |
Maybe people would actually like you to produce the kind of performance | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
that you put in in Hamburg recently | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
when you got very shirty about a dodgy line call. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
They'd like you to be more like McEnroe, more fiery, more... | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
But, again, you can't... But, again, that's... | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
I still feel it's most important that I concern myself | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
with what I think is right. And I could... | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
But you're saying, in a sense, there is no other way. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
I could talk to you about a hundred quotes where people say, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
"Oh, you know, he's trying to get fired up on the court, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
"and that's not him." | 0:32:35 | 0:32:36 | |
And then I could show you a hundred quotes where people say, | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
"Oh, he's too passive, he needs to get fired up on the court." | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
-OK. -And at the end of the day, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
as I said, I'm not the best player there's ever been | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
by any stretch of the imagination, but, you know, at some stage, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:53 | |
I've been the fourth best player on the planet, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
and I've won, you know, numerous tournaments worldwide. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
So I've got to be half decent at what I do. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
-Sure. -And when it comes back to Wimbledon | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
and we talk about some of the matches that I've played, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
you know, we talk about your quote from the psychologist. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
How about I wasn't good enough on the day? | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
How about Pete Sampras was better than me on the day? | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
I think that's where people sometimes shy away from that. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
I'm honest enough to sit there and say, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
"Yeah, when I lost to him in the two semis, he was better than me. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
"I need to improve." | 0:33:27 | 0:33:28 | |
Tim gave us a glorious decade of grace and hope, | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
but our next game changer actually got his name | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
on the famous gold trophy. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:36 | |
Andy Murray, rewriting the story of Britain's Wimbledon record. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
With him in the running, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
victory became and remains a real possibility. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
What makes Murray different from the rest? | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
Well, one possibility may have been that other British players | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
were not as fit and didn't train enough, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
or at least that was a controversial opinion expressed | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
the week before this chat with Jonathan Ross. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
OK, Wimbledon's looming. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:00 | |
-Yes. -Of course. And this is the time when British players, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
I guess they dread it, to an extent, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
because you're the British number one, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
all eyes are going to be on you now. Yes, and you know it. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
Are you prepared for... what do they call it? | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
Murraymania? Andymonium? What do they call it? It's... | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
-I think Murraymania is the name. -Murraymania. -Yeah. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
How do you deal with that? Do you gird your loins? | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
-Do you welcome it? Does it help in any way? -Er... | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
I mean, we do get awesome support during the tournament. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
When we're on the court, as well, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
it's different to any of the other tournaments we play, | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
but it's more the build-up that's harder before you get on the court. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
I was there when you played, I think, the first time at Wimbledon. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
I was in the audience. I had some terrible seats, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
right at the back somewhere. And you played Nalbandian. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
-Yes. -Yes, and this was about, what, three years ago? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
-Yeah, 2005. -OK, it was a great match, of course. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
Fabulous match. One of the exciting things for everyone in the crowd, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
as well, but I guess for you, as well, if you were aware, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
-was Sean Connery was there. -Yes. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
Now, did you know he was going to be there in advance? | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
Was he there to support a fellow Scot, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:54 | |
or did he just happen to be there that day? | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
Yeah, I guess he likes tennis, but it was a bit strange for me, | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
cos pretty much the day after my match, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
he gave me a call. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:04 | |
So to get a call from James Bond | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
when you're playing Wimbledon for the first time... | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
That's quite a week in your life. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
So you played Wimbledon for the first time | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
and James Bond phoned you up. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
-That was pretty... -What did he say to you when he called? | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
He was just like, "It's great, keep it going." | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
He used to always say to me, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
"Don't let the press affect you, "don't let the press affect you." | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
-Is it, like... -IMITATING CONNERY: -"You must not let | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
-"the press affect you"? -Yeah, exactly like that. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
"I saw you playing the other day. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
"I thought it was very good." | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
-I ran out of the voice then. -That was exactly right. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
You are the number one ranked player, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
and I have to be careful how I say that, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
-here in the United Kingdom. -Yes. -Number one. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
Put that in context for us. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:48 | |
What does that mean in terms of global scale? | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
Where are you in the world if you're the number one Brit, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
and what does that mean for you personally? | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
Yeah, I'm ranked 11th in the world just now. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
Wow. Well, congratulations. That's pretty good, isn't it? | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
-Thank you. -APPLAUSE | 0:35:59 | 0:36:00 | |
11 in the world. Just 21. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Yeah, I mean, the British ranking's not really that important. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
We don't have too many players just now, so it's more... | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
The world rankings are a bit more important. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
Why is it we don't have too many players right now? | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
Because there seems to be a lot of players come out of Russia, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
and obviously Russia is a vast continent, | 0:36:17 | 0:36:18 | |
but, you know, there's a lot of people from there | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
and they go to Miami and train them up. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
They come out of there and they seem to be really good. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
The Swiss seem to have quite a few. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
Why is it that, so far, we haven't managed to produce | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
the people in the top level? | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
I've absolutely no idea. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:31 | |
Well, that's not what you said in the papers this week, sunshine. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Oh, someone's changed their tune(!) | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
It's got a bit hot in the old kitchen. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
No, I mean, yeah, it's difficult. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
I mean, the Russians, obviously, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:49 | |
have got an unbelievable work ethic and stuff. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
Do you think that's what it is? Is it just wanting it more? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
Yeah, I guess so. I moved to Spain when I was 15 to go and train there | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
because I felt like it was more competitive practice, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
it was harder work and a better environment for me to train in, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
but I don't know exactly what the problem is. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
Let me ask you about your family, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:09 | |
-because your mum was a tennis coach, is that right? -Yeah, she still is. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
She still is. And your brother is also a gifted tennis player. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
-Yep. -He's slightly older than you, is that right? | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
-15 months. -What's the competition like between the two of you? | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
When you were playing against each other as youngsters, how was that? | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
When did you start beating him? When did you start outstripping him? | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
It got pretty ugly. I've actually got a dodgy nail. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
He punched me once after I won against him. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
Hold on, hold on. That is hardly a big injury, is it? | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:37:36 | 0:37:37 | |
Saying I have a dodgy nail on my left hand... | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
I've got a dodgy nail | 0:37:40 | 0:37:41 | |
from shutting it in the bloody toilet door last week. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
-It's not nice, is it? -No, it's not good. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
Anyway, I apologise. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
So you would actually get physical with each other? | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
Yeah. I mean, when we were younger, yeah. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
When we were 14, I started to improve much more, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
and Jamie obviously only plays doubles now. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
Let's talk about Tim Henman a little bit, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
because I know he's a friend of yours. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:01 | |
-Yep. -A great player. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
I know he's retired from the game at that level now, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
but he was a great player while he was there | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
-and he got that close to winning Wimbledon, didn't he? -He did, yeah. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
Cos I know, it's in your book, which I've been reading... | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
Hitting Back is your book. You kind of didn't write it yourself. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
I guess you spoke to someone and it comes out of that. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
You're 21, you won't have time to write a proper book. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
No, and I'm not bright enough. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:21 | |
You don't have time to read a magazine. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
Anyway, Hitting Back is the book. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
I've been enjoying reading it, cos I'm a tennis fan anyway, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
but you talk about Henman in there, | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
you talk about the amount of advice he's given you. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
It must be nice to have someone | 0:38:31 | 0:38:32 | |
who has essentially been through what you are going through | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
and about to go through, I guess. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:36 | |
Yeah, I mean, he's been great since pretty much when I went on the tour. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
I didn't know any of the players at all. I was obviously 18. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
Tim, yeah, he obviously gave me a lot of advice, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
I practised with him a lot, he paid for a few of my dinners and stuff, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
so that was good. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:50 | |
How is it when you then go on to play someone like that | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
who's been a bit of a mentor, perhaps, been a friend, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
and then you have to play them professionally? | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
Of course, I'm imagining you want to stuff them as much as possible. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
How do you get yourself in the different mind-set | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
to stop seeing them as a friend and...? | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
Yeah, that's probably the toughest part. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
It's only really been when I played against him I found it difficult. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
I've played him four times on the tour, but, yeah, that's... | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
It's really tough, there's not too much you can do. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
You've just got to try and focus on winning the match, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
but it's a bit uncomfortable at the end of the match | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
when you've got to shake hands and say, "Tough luck," | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
-when you don't really mean that. -Yeah. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
We end with what is perhaps one of the biggest game changers | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
in the history of the world's favourite grass court tournament. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
But it has absolutely no personality at all. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
Wimbledon fortnight was always a hostage | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
to the great British summer | 0:39:39 | 0:39:40 | |
and, over the years, became synonymous | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
with the phrase "wash-out". | 0:39:43 | 0:39:44 | |
I've known nothing like it at all, ever. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
I've asked various people like Fred Perry, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
and he can't remember anything like this. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
I think this must be the worst one on record. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
I can't remember seeing anything... | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
anything as strong as this at Wimbledon. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
I feel sympathy for the people braving it there | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
under their umbrellas. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
They are taking a battering. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:06 | |
Ladies and gentlemen, play is suspended. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
Along with the rain, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:12 | |
the carefully planned Wimbledon schedule has been washed away, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
meaning that some top players have been frustrated, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
spending more time in the locker room than on the court. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
It's been a day of frustration for Tim Henman | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
and millions of British tennis fans. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
Rain interrupted much of his crucial semifinal clash | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
with Goran Ivanisevic. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:33 | |
Just 51 minutes' play were possible before the rain returned, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
putting the match back again till tomorrow, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
with a decision on when to play the final left to the winner. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
Wimbledon could have a serious problem | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
concluding the championships tomorrow. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
And then, in 2009, finally, everything changed. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:52 | |
On Centre Court, at least. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:53 | |
And, arguably, nothing has had a greater impact on play | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
over all the years at the All England Club. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
The sight of hundreds of tennis fans huddled under umbrellas in the rain | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
on Centre Court will now be a thing of the past, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
and that's because Centre Court finally has a new retractable roof. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
They have decided now to close the roof. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
It takes eight to ten minutes to close. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
So, there we go. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
We've had women's rights, civil rights, fashion wrongs, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
boom-boom, swoon swoon, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
a so-nearly man, a very-real-y man, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
and what turned out to be a very good plan, man. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
It's still the ivy-covered, flower-drenched, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
impeccably mown corner of SW19 we've loved forever, | 0:42:54 | 0:42:59 | |
but thanks to all these game changers, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
Wimbledon is also a whole new ballgame. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 |