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This is the story of the golden age of Britain's grammar schools | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
in the decades following the Second World War, | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
and their sudden, dramatic demise. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
That demise is at the heart of an educational debate that still rages today. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
Grammar schools offered talented children from the poorest backgrounds | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
the chance to go to some of the best schools in the country. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
It gave me the confidence to know | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
that I could do whatever I set out to do. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
And being female didn't make any difference, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
being educated DID make a difference. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
The grammar schools created a generation of upwardly mobile high-flyers, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
who helped transform Britain. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
They owed much to their inspirational teachers, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
whose memory some still hold dear. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
The first major book I wrote, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
I dedicated to her. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
That was me, saying, "Thank you. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
"Thank you from the bottom of my heart." | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
HE SOBS | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
Make me cry! | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
By 1964, there were 1,300 grammar schools in Britain. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
They educated a quarter of all secondary school pupils, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
and were at the height of their success. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
But in the '60s and '70s, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
a cultural revolution that aimed to create a more open and equal society | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
swept away the grammar schools | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
and the ladder to success they'd provided. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
To some, it seemed like an act of educational sabotage. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
The school was no longer able to deliver to future generations of boys | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
the amazing opportunities that had been offered to us, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
and that seemed both stupid, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
and it seemed like vandalism, and it seemed like a tragedy. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
The grammar school was on the way out. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
# ..For the times they are a-changing... # | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
The 1944 Education Act | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
set out to create educational opportunities for all. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
There was to be a three-tiered state education system, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
with technical, secondary modern, and grammar schools, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
all geared to the different abilities of pupils. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
Gaining a place at grammar school, the most academic of the three, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
depended on passing the 11+ exam. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
For many working class families, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
a grammar school education offered a ladder of escape | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
from the daily grind and struggle of manual labour, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
to the more secure world of the professions. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
This ambition held a special appeal for Neil Kinnock's family in south Wales. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
My family were coalminers and steelworkers. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
And they had as a glowing purpose, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
the ambition for success of the next generation. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
That was central to just about everything they thought of and did, | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
the reason why they worked ridiculous hours. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
Parents' ambitions for their children often hinged on whether they passed or failed their 11+. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
Neil did so well, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
he won a free place at the top grammar school in Wales, Pengam, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
dubbed the Eton of the Valleys. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
My father got home from work at around 5:30. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
When he came through the door, I told him. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
And he and my mother were so evidently ready to burst with pride | 0:03:26 | 0:03:32 | |
at the fact that... | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
I'd made it, in terms that EVERYBODY could understand. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
For the first generation of children to benefit from the educational reforms of the 1944 Act, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:50 | |
the exclusion of less able fee-paying pupils from the grammar schools | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
meant that the proportion of working-class pupils attending them | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
increased dramatically. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
Roy Strong went to Edmonton County Grammar in 1946. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
I came from a lower middle-class, white-collar district, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
and that was really the upper end of Edmonton County Grammar school, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
because it was on the Great Cambridge Road, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
and then you crossed to the other side, which was Edmonton, which was solidly working class. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
And those boys were often incredibly impoverished, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:27 | |
and one would see teachers | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
really go out of their way to help those people. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
I actually saw one or two teachers | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
actually slip money to some of those impoverished bright people, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
and there was a sense of heroism, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
I think most of those teachers were committed socialists, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
seeing a golden dawn of opportunity for people who had been | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
completely denied this way of ascending with their intellect, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:57 | |
so, in a way, it was an heroic period. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
Jan Garbutt, the daughter of a bus conductor in Coventry, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
grew up in poverty. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
But in 1956, she did so well in her 11+ that she won a place at Barr's Hill grammar, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:15 | |
the city's top grammar school for girls. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
I had never seen anything so beautiful | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
as going through these gates and seeing this glorious school | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
and to think that was where I was going to go, every day, | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
to do things that I knew that I was going to enjoy, it was fantastic. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:35 | |
And inside the building, the smell of the oak floors | 0:05:35 | 0:05:41 | |
and the wood panelling of this beautiful, beautiful building, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
and the smell... | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
I still retain that to this day. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
They say smells evoke memories, don't they, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
and the smell of the oak panelling | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
and the wood of that glorious building | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
evokes the strongest memories of my school days. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
Barbara Jones came from an impoverished mining family in Nottinghamshire. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
In 1949, she won a place as a boarder | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
at the prestigious Queen Elizabeth Grammar School for Girls in Mansfield. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
With its emphasis on impeccable behaviour at all times, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
it was a world apart from her home life. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
Being a boarder was special. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
Manners had to be perfect, and we had to behave with decorum. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Very Victorian values, and so, we would sit at the table, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
eating properly, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
with the correct knife and fork, with our mouths closed. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
If we needed something passing, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
other people on the table had to be aware of your needs, and pass it. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
You weren't allowed to say, "Will you pass me the salt, please?" | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
They had to look after you, and we each had to do that. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
Grammar schools placed great importance on the wearing of school uniform. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
It created a sense of pride and belonging, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
as well as a new identity, rooted in the school. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
But poor families struggled to meet the costs. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
When Vincent Calder won a place at St Brendan's College in Bristol | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
in 1954, his mother went to her local pawnbroker | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
to help pay for his uniform. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
She suddenly arrives with the ring, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
she opened up her little purse, took out her ring, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
and it was her wedding ring. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
She must have done some research into the cost of the uniform, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
cos she said, "I need so much". I don't know how much. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
"Can you give it to me on this?" | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
"That's your wedding ring", he said. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
"Yes, I know." | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
He said, "I don't want to take your wedding ring. Is there anything else?" | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
"It's all I have." | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
With the money she borrowed on her wedding ring, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
Vincent's mother fitted him out with a full school uniform. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
When I put on the school uniform, first time... | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
..God, you should have seen her face. It was amazing. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
I didn't even recognise myself, I'd never had new clothes, never. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
It was the first time I'd ever had new clothes. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
I'd always had hand-me-downs. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
And so I put on my school cap - the first one went over there. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
Can't do it now. But I mean... | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
..her face was a picture then. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
School colours were important in encouraging children to feel proud | 0:08:22 | 0:08:28 | |
and identify with their school. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
In 1948, Bob McCartney, who lived on the Shankill Road in Belfast, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
started at the new Grosvenor High School. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
It took a while for us to get ourselves sorted out, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
and for the staff to equip us all with the same rugby jersey. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
And for a while, we were known, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
I suppose a bit patronisingly, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
as the Liquorice Allsorts, because of our multi-coloured gear. | 0:08:54 | 0:09:00 | |
But that soon changed. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
The greater ambition for me was to play for the school team, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
so the first year I played for the under 13s, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
the second year the under 14s, the next year the under 15s, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
and then I played for two years in the first XV. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
There was a sense of "play up, play up and play the game". | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
You know, of being straight, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
and fair, and honourable in your dealings. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
There was a spirit of optimism in the face of hardship | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
during the decade after the Second World War. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
But despite the pride the new working-class pupils | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
felt in their school, they could experience divided loyalties. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
This often triggered rebellion against the rules. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Like many other grammar schools, Pengam played rugby as opposed to soccer, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
a game that was frowned upon. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
If you were caught playing soccer with a tennis ball at lunchtime, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:59 | |
you automatically went into detention. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
I loved both sports. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
I loved soccer because it was my father's sport, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
and he was a very, very accomplished footballer - | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
he was a great all-round sportsman, actually - | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
but rugby had caught my imagination as well, so I loved both sports. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:20 | |
But I did, from the second and third form, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
play football with a tennis ball in the yard during lunchtime, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:31 | |
in order to say "to hell with you" to authority. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
Working-class children were often pulled one way by the grammar school world, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
with its promise of success and upward mobility, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
and pulled another by loyalty to family and friends | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
who had no such pretensions, as Vincent Calder discovered, to his cost. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
We had elocution lessons, and I'd never seen anybody like this, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
and he was making progress, it must have, because I came round, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
and I was with somebody once, and I was talking, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
and they said, "Oh, la-de-da!" | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
And that really cut me to the quick, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
because I didn't want to be la-de-da. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
Enough was enough, I don't want to be separated from my brothers any more than I am, and my family. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:19 | |
And I don't want to be la-de-da. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
And so, I immediately thought... | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
..I'm not changing. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
They're not going to change me, I am not changing. I am who I am. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
But many working-class pupils did change. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
Praise from teachers and the promise of a better future | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
were hard to resist, even if it did mean being cut off from your family. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
When Barbara Jones went home behaving very differently from her parents, they reprimanded her. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
I think it was worse because I was a boarder, | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
had I have been an ordinary grammar school, day girl, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
I would have been going home to the normal home situation, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
and I wouldn't have known any different. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
But it was very hard, and I wouldn't take it. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
But this was a conflict that there was. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
Here was somebody who was disobedient, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
and superior in their view, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
and they felt threatened by this, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
because I'd gone out of their comfort zone. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
And they treated it in the only way they thought was necessary, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
and that was to force me to comply. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
It didn't work! | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
However, an even bigger problem was fitting in at school. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
Some were terrified of being exposed as inferior, like Jan Garbutt. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:58 | |
Because I'd had such a narrow home background, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
I hadn't realised how restricted my vocabulary actually was, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:09 | |
and I remember feeling very embarrassed in one lesson, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
I don't remember what they were talking about, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
but the aspect of pharmacy came up, and in my ignorance, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
I assumed that pharmacy was to do with agriculture. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:27 | |
A comment was made about my ignorance of the fact. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
And... | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
I was absolutely mortified, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
mortified to the point that this day, I can still remember | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
where I sat in class at that time, which girl I sat behind, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
and the feeling that I had | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
when I became aware that I'd made a faux pas in assuming that | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
pharmacy was to do with agriculture, and not another word for a chemist. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:59 | |
But for those with a special artistic or academic gift, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
the whole atmosphere of grammar school could be liberating | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
and a welcome refuge from the cultural impoverishment of home. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
It enabled the young Roy Strong to flourish. Nevertheless, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
his father was keen for him to leave school at the earliest opportunity. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
My father attempted to take me from school when I was 14. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
Both my parents had left school when they were 14. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
And he... By 14, it was clear that I had quite a high graphic skill, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:34 | |
and he'd found a cartoonist on a newspaper who wanted an apprentice, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:39 | |
but it was very heavily resisted by the school, I'm glad to say. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
One of Roy's principal allies was his history teacher, Joan Henderson. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:51 | |
Roy responded with true devotion. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
When I was at school, I used to send her Christmas cards. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
Here's one of an 18th-century dandy, signed "R Strong, 3A". | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
This must be a bit further on, it's... | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
Again, always costumed figures, always retreat to the past. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
The vital role teachers played at that grammar school, for me, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
was that they gave me what my family couldn't give me. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
Because they couldn't, because they hadn't got it, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
they had not the education, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
they had not the inclination towards the arts, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
or any of the sort of things I was interested in, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
at all, really. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
And therefore, one suddenly came into contact with people | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
who were, to use that word, cultured. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
But the skilled working classes had their own culture, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
and were very proud of it. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
For children who grew up in craft-based communities, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
like those which served the shipbuilding industry in Northern Ireland, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
the apprentice's skills had equal status to any academic knowledge learned at grammar school. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:59 | |
There was absolutely no feeling - | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
none whatever - that the grammar school boys | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
were in any way superior to their contemporaries who were in work. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:10 | |
And I can remember a chap who was an apprentice joiner | 0:16:12 | 0:16:18 | |
in the shipyard, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
and there, after their third year of their apprenticeship, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
they had to produce a work piece. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
His work piece - almost medieval, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
which he had to offer to the man he was apprentice to, was a jawbox. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:36 | |
And everybody thought it was so terrific, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
and he was so evidently proud of it. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
And... But you know, people like me admired him | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
for what he could do. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
Just as he might have admired us, who knows, for being smart, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
or having access to a bit of knowledge which he didn't share. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
In the '50s, the biggest threat to grammar schools and their values | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
was the rise of the new and rebellious working-class teenage culture. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:06 | |
Originating with the Teddy boys, and driven by rock'n'roll music, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
this promised a much more exciting world than book learning. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
Most of all, it offered freedom from the rigid school rules | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
for boys like Vince Calder. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
We were alive with a vibrancy, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
which, when you sit in the class... | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
..hands on the desk, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
or like this - you see me still do this, time and time again, fold arms. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:38 | |
That was how you'd spend your day. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Just imagine then, when you got out and you heard this music, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
that burst you out, and you came alive. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
# Well since my baby left me | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
# Well I found a new place to dwell | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
# Well it's down at the end of Lonely Street | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
# At Heartbreak Hotel... # | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
Heartbreak Hotel was the first record I ever bought, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
and that described how I was feeling. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
"Heartbreak Hotel". He sang that amazingly. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
And that was... The rhythms and sounds were there, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
this wonderful slow, drawn-out, agonising thing. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
It was describing my teens. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
I wanted to be somewhere else, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
and I didn't know where I wanted to be. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
The high ambitions of grammar schools for their pupils' future careers | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
were becoming out of step with the real lives of the new working-class teenagers. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:37 | |
Some simply could not afford to continue into the sixth form, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
especially teenagers from poor families, like Jan Garbutt. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:45 | |
We all had to traipse into the headmistress' office, and discuss | 0:18:45 | 0:18:51 | |
hopes for further education, and what we intended to do. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
When I told her that I'd been accepted on a hairdressing course, | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
she was really quite dismissive of the whole situation, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:06 | |
and sort of...didn't give me any encouragement. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:12 | |
She knew my home situation, she must have done, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
known the type of situation that I was in at home, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
and that further education, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
certainly to university, was out of the question. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Jan became a hairdresser, and later manageress of a salon. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
Very few of the first generation of post-war working-class pupils | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
who passed their 11+ and got to grammar school | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
progressed to the sixth form, especially the girls. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Barbara Jones's father was in no doubt that she had to start work. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
There was no argument about it, no discussion. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
That was it. So I had to get a job. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
But I didn't work in a factory, like all the other girls of my era did. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:04 | |
One of the girls at school said that she'd applied for a job | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
as a GPO telephonist, and I thought, "That sounds really posh!" | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
"I don't know what a GPO telephonist is, but it sounds good!" | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
So I applied, too, to become a GPO telephonist. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
By this time, I did know what it was, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
and I did become a GPO telephonist. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
But inspired by her grammar school education, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
Barbara later became a civil servant, and a feminist, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
committed to giving more opportunities to young people. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
The temptation of teenage independence | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
prompted many working-class grammar school boys to leave, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
and start a job soon as they could. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
To buy into the lifestyle they wanted, they needed money. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
In 1960, Vince Calder left school, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
after deciding not to stay on in the sixth form. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
It was my chance to be who I wanted to be, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
not who somebody else wanted me to be. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
I was going to dress, I was going to go, do what I wanted to do, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:17 | |
and all the discipline and all the restrictions that had been on me... | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
..couldn't take it any more. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
The feeling of letting down his mother's grammar school | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
hopes and ambitions continues to haunt Vince to this day. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
She wanted something special for me, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
and I know, I... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
Not when she was alive, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
it had to be after she was dead, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
that...what she wanted for me came through. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
After a string of casual jobs, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
Vince worked his way up to become an engineering designer. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
But for less well-off working-class children | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
who overcame their initial resistance to the grammar school ethos of strict discipline, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
the sixth form opened up a very different world, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
with much more individual responsibility and opportunity. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
As Neil Kinnock discovered. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
I went into the sixth form, and my world changed. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
Teachers started treating me as a 16, 17-year-old, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:37 | |
um, the whole tone of activity changed, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
um... | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
There was...hardly any emphasis on discipline, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
and the head pulled a masterstroke. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
Instead of making me a sub-prefect, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
which was usual in the first year of the sixth form, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
he made me a full prefect immediately. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
On the basis that awarding me responsibility would produce a positive result. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 | |
Neil Kinnock never looked back. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
One of the leading political figures of his generation | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
in Britain and Europe, he's been called the greatest Prime Minister we ever had. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
Had I succeeded in my various efforts to leave school after the age of 15 - | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
and they were repeated efforts! - | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
I would have...so dismayed my parents, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
that they would have felt...betrayed, almost. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Because of the investment of hope, as well as material support, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:45 | |
that they'd made in me. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:46 | |
By the time I got to the sixth form, I was trying to paint Elizabethan miniatures. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
They're all of the Virgin Queen, looking like a mobile Christmas tree, covered in jewels. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:59 | |
Roy Strong's interest in Elizabethan portraiture was guided by his dedicated history teacher, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:05 | |
Joan Henderson. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
There was only one printed catalogue, 1898, | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
and it was in what is now the British library. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
And she'd copied that in longhand. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
In longhand, so that I could have it. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
That is something incredible for a teacher to have done for a 16, 17-year-old. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:28 | |
Roy Strong's career quickly blossomed, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
and after completing an art history PhD, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
in 1967, he became the youngest director of the National Portrait Gallery, at the age of 31. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:40 | |
But Roy never forgot the huge debt he owed to his most inspirational teacher. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:45 | |
I always remember the first major book I wrote | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
on Elizabeth painting, The English Icon, I dedicated to her. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
And she came up and had lunch with me, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
then I was director of the Portrait Gallery. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
And that was her book, that was me saying "Thank you". | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
"Thank you from the bottom of my heart." | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
Make me cry. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
She gave me so much. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
By the early 1960s, the grammar schools, despite their problems, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:30 | |
were helping to revitalise post-war Britain. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Just a minute, please. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
Could we make those quavers a little more clear? | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
One, two. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:40 | |
Children from less privileged backgrounds were given the opportunities | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
that their parents could only have dreamt of. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Upward social mobility was in full swing. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:51 | |
Much of it was subconscious. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
There was a conscious level | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
when you had to be familiar with this material in order to sit an exam. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
But at a subconscious level, you were absorbing feelings, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
and a taste for this subject, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
which was going to remain with you all your life. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
Bob McCartney went on to study law at Queens University Belfast. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
He later became a barrister, and leader of the UK Unionist party. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:24 | |
There's that hackneyed phrase about, "What is education for?" | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Is it to enable you to earn a living, or is it to teach you how to live? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
Well, I think, in effect, it's both, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
but if you can earn your living | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
doing something that you really love to do, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
and appreciating all the smells and senses and feelings, it's marvellous. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:48 | |
Like a holiday! | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
I enjoyed every moment of my legal career. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
For that reason. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
But by the early '60s, the fate of the majority of schoolchildren | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
who didn't go to grammar school could no longer be ignored. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
They went to secondary modern schools, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
which became the only option after the technical schools | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
imagined by the 1944 Education Act never really took off. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
Often underfunded, in dilapidated buildings, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
the schools were seen to be second class. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
I'm going to ask you some questions which are going to be similar | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
to those which you will have in your examination. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
I want you to... | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
The 11+, always seen as a major hurdle, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
now became ever more important. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
Question number one... | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
Not passing, and not getting into grammar school, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
meant being consigned to an inferior education. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:48 | |
The system appeared more and more unfair. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Sue Elliott was well aware of the importance of passing the 11+ exam | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
she took in 1962. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
When that horrible | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
little thin envelope arrived at our house, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:08 | |
I knew that I'd failed, because that was how you knew. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
If you had a nice big fat envelope, it meant you'd passed, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
because that offered you all sorts of choices of local grammar schools, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:23 | |
and told you all about lovely uniforms, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
and all the equipment you wanted. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
And if you had a little thin envelope, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
that meant that you were just told | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
which local secondary mod you were going to, no choice. That was it. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:38 | |
-Well, Janet, you're 11 years of age now, aren't you? -Yes. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
And therefore, you've left the primary school, | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
and you've come to the secondary school. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
Secondary modern school, you know that is what it is called, don't you? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
Yes. We're rather sorry Janet failed the 11+. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
Well, I hardly think that "failed" is the right word, Mrs Kitchen. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
Despite trying to convince parents and pupils to the contrary, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
everybody knew that failing the 11+ | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
meant failure on a much bigger scale. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
My mum and dad were devastated. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
They were very, very disappointed, I think, and upset. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
They'd always said to me, "You can only do your best, | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
"and of course we'll still love you if you fail." | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
But I knew in my heart of hearts | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
that I had failed a very significant hurdle in life. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:34 | |
And that one way or another this was going to | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
affect my chances for the rest of my life. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
The winners amongst the new '60s generation | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
would experience the final heyday of the grammar school system, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
which was graded from top to bottom on the basis of ability. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
Children who did well in their 11+ could win a scholarship to | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
one of the best schools in the country if they also did | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
exceptionally well in the school's entrance examination. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
One of the top girls' schools in the North-West | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
was the Liverpool Institute High School for Girls. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
Edwina Currie won a scholarship there in 1958. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
The atmosphere was to encourage you to do your best. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
One of the tasks of these very good teachers, totally dedicated teachers, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
was to find out what was your best and push you in that direction, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
push you further than you might naturally perhaps want to go. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
So I arrived at the school with the other Margaret Bryce scholars | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
to find we were skipping the first year, straight into the second year. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
From the word go, the brightest scholarship girls had to be high achievers. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
THEY GREET THE TEACHER | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
That little group of special scholarship kids | 0:30:48 | 0:30:54 | |
were made to feel special, and pushed much harder. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
Bien, Janet. Un port couteau. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
Coming fifth or sixth was not good enough. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
It may be good enough for the others, but you're a scholarship girl, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
now you keep doing it. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
It was a privilege, but it was a responsibility. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
And words like duty just flowed, "You have a duty to do this. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
"You can't let anyone down, you can't let yourself down, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
"you're not going to let us down as teachers." | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
I think I've changed my mind a bit. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
I think the poem isn't really statements of fact... | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
The top boys grammar school in the country was Manchester Grammar. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
There was fierce competition to win a scholarship to MGS | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
but that was just the beginning of a relentless system of testing | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
and class positions, designed to push every pupil to the limit. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
Michael Wood started there in 1959. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
It was incredibly exciting, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
because Manchester Grammar School changed everything. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
The beginning was scary, and they had fortnightly tests. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
Known as fortnightlies! | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
And you sit in the class according to where you did | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
in the exam for each fortnight. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
And the first fortnightly was just sheer terror to me. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:16 | |
I had never done any languages, for example. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
And I came, not bottom, but well into the 20s in a 32-person class. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:26 | |
There was some... | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
I definitely detected a kind of attitude on the part of the teacher | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
that "You should do better, Wood." | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
At Harrow County, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:38 | |
the school film, Makers Of Men, spelled out the school's message. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
The new boys, as first formers, enter the school on their very first day, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
feeling perhaps more than a little overawed by the occasion | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
and acutely aware that in this school | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
only the best will satisfy the demand. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
The school measured its success by the number of pupils | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
who went on to Oxbridge, and by a long list of illustrious alumni. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
When Michael Portillo won a scholarship there in 1964, | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
he knew what he was up against. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Competition was the very essence of the school, it's what drove it. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
We all wanted to succeed so much. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
The glittering prize was ahead of us. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
The glittering prize particularly was to go to university | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
and to go to Oxford and Cambridge. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:25 | |
As though to rub it home, in the hall where we assembled every morning, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
there was a thing called the honours board which recorded all the boys | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
over the generations who had managed to get to Oxford and Cambridge. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
Each term we would see the names of boys that we knew | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
added in gold paint on to this beautiful wooden board. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
Harrow County school was so successful, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
its results were beginning to match | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
those of its famous public school neighbour. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:53 | |
Public schools like Harrow continued to educate | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
the children of Britain's wealthiest families. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
In these exclusive fee-paying schools, privilege was entrenched. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
But by the early '60s, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
grammar school pupils were winning half of all Oxbridge places. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
The aura of the public schools, however, persisted. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
The school was set up in the shadow, literally, of Harrow School. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:20 | |
Despite all that our grammar schools did for us, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
I don't think they ever made us quite as effortlessly confident | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
or even as effortlessly charming as those public schoolboys. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
Grammar schools also developed their own pecking order. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
The highest achieving schools recruited from children | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
who got the best results in their 11+. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
-Good morning. -Good morning, sir! | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
But all grammar schools went out of their way to encourage | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
the virtue of excellence in every aspect of school life. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
Roy Greenslade went to Dagenham County High. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
The implications of not being in | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
the premier league of grammar schools was not lost on Roy | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
or his contemporaries. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
We were being educated on the understanding | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
that we could do useful jobs and we wouldn't do jobs like our parents. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
But at the same time there was an understanding | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
that we weren't a first-rank grammar school | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
that could look to getting many people to university, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
and there weren't as many universities. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
Dagenham County High wasn't the best grammar school in Essex, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:29 | |
but they knew what they were good at. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
One of the things about Dagenham was that football was the great leveller. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:37 | |
There was this enormous pride around County High - "OK, we are very aware | 0:35:37 | 0:35:43 | |
"that we are not quite up with Romford Royal Liberty, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
"or Hornchurch Grammar, or Ilford County High - | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
"they seem to be a class apart. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
"But, my goodness, we can play football | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
"and we can do it elegantly and brilliantly." | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
School sports were used not only to promote a spirit of achievement | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
within the school but also in interschool competitions. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
This gave Bob Miller, Roy Greenslade's friend | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
from Dagenham High, a chance for his place in the sun. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
My saving grace at that grammar school was that I was good at sport. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:20 | |
Sports, if you was not academically bright and therefore | 0:36:21 | 0:36:27 | |
when you got streamed they put you into, in my case, the D stream, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
where you had to work at all the academic subjects, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
some of which I liked, some of which I didn't, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
there was always the fallback onto sport. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
Of course, sport gave me the opportunity to represent Dagenham | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
at a district level and, in some cases, later on, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
Essex at county level. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
And all of this actually raised your status in the school | 0:36:52 | 0:36:58 | |
and for yourself, it raised your own self-esteem. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
Sporting achievement helped many grammar schools create | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
a strong sense of pride and identity, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
wherever they were in the academic league table. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
When Paul Boateng arrived at Apsley Grammar School in 1966, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
he was the only black boy in the school. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
The headmaster was keen for him to do well. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
I will never forget my first day. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
I had a brilliant headmaster called VJ Wrigley. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
So he takes me by the shoulder, gets me into some borrowed whites, | 0:37:29 | 0:37:35 | |
and then we go over to the cricket team and he says, | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
"This is the school's great hope. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
"We are now going to sort out the county in cricket." | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
Unfortunately, he hadn't discussed this with me, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
because I'm from Ghana, not Guyana, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
and we don't do cricket in Ghana, we do football! | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
So I'm afraid I wasn't the great black hope of Hertfordshire cricket. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:02 | |
But what I was good at, and the headmaster soon cottoned on to this, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
because he encouraged dissent and debate within his class, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
the general knowledge class which he insisted on teaching himself, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
I became captain of the school debating team, | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
and we won all sorts of trophies. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
-ALL: -And lead us not into temptation... | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
There was no debate, however, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
as to which schools were at the bottom of the educational league table in the 1960s. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
# A-a-a-aah-men. # | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
The secondary moderns taught around two-thirds of all Britain's children. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
-Good morning, girls. -Good morning, Miss May. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
These children lived in a totally different world | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
to the grammar schools. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
We all, at this school, which was actually a pretty big school, | 0:38:55 | 0:39:01 | |
we just felt we were different. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
We didn't have anything to do with the grammar school kids - | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
we didn't play them at games, we didn't have joint productions, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
we didn't meet them in any social or educational context at all. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:17 | |
But not all secondary modern schools failed their children. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
Many aspired to give the best possible education to their pupils. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
I suspected that the standard of teaching that we got | 0:39:25 | 0:39:30 | |
wasn't as good as that that the pupils at grammar school got. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:37 | |
But the head teacher at my secondary mod was ambitious - | 0:39:38 | 0:39:44 | |
he was ambitious for the school, he was ambitious for us. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
He encouraged people to take exams. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
It was a pretty good school of its type, really. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
Could you give those out for me, Brenda, please? | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
Despite the brave attempts of some secondary modern schools | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
to escape from the stigma of failure, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
the segregation of children was becoming a major political issue. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
The 11+ selection process | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
and its consequences were becoming unacceptable. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
May I have your attention, please? | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
Early experiments with large, modern comprehensive schools | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
which accepted all pupils in their area, whatever their ability, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
were proving successful. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
The Labour party led by Harold Wilson, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
the first grammar school boy to achieve high office, | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
wanted the whole country to go comprehensive | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
and made it an election issue in 1964. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
When I first went to my grammar school it was at exactly the time | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
of the October 1964 general election. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
So, as soon as I got there, we were thrown into a mock election in the school | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
and I became the first year assistant to the Labour Party candidate. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:02 | |
And I remember I gave him the first piece of political advice I ever gave. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
I said, "I've been talking to all the boys and you are going to lose, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
"you're going to be crucified on this policy of comprehensivisation of the schools. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:16 | |
"In this grammar school this goes down so badly." | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
The dream of a new and fairer education system appealed to many parents, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
including middle-class parents who had suffered | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
the indignity of their children failing the 11+. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
We understood that there were two powerful criticisms | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
of the grammar schools. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
One was that you had to pass an 11+ | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
so your fate hung on your performance on a single day. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
And the other problem was that those who went to secondary modern school | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
did not have the opportunities that we had, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
didn't even have proper opportunities. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
This was an issue the new Secretary of State for Education, Anthony Crosland, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
made a priority after Labour's 1964 election victory. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
The first thing we are doing, we're trying to get rid of something | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
that's become an absolute curse to children in this country. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
We're getting rid of the 11+. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
I think today almost all parents agree with us | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
that selection is bad, it's a chancy business, and it's unjust. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
You can't divide children up at the age of 11 | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
into 20% going to a superior education | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
and 80% to whom we say, "We're sorry, you're not up to it." | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
The new cultural icons of the '60s, like the Beatles, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
three of whom were Liverpool grammar school boys, embraced a vision | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
of a different world that questioned the old conventional values. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
# Shake it up baby now | 0:42:37 | 0:42:38 | |
# Shake it up baby | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
# Twist and shout | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
# Twist and shout... # | 0:42:42 | 0:42:43 | |
The grammar school was in danger of becoming out of touch | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
and irrelevant for the young generation. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
But some schools rose to the challenge. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Somehow, in that particular time in the '60s, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
the grammar school that I went to, anyway, was able to open up | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
and accommodate the excitement and the passion, | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
and the dissension of the times, | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
in ways that were very, very constructive. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
# Your sons and your daughters... # | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
Grammar school boys like Paul were swept along with | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
the tide of student protest in the late' 60s, | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
adopting the new political heroes with their promises of revolutionary change. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
# ..the times they are a changing. # | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
One of the most unlikely heroes was Chairman Mao, | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
whose Little Red Book sold more than a billion copies around the world. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:38 | |
We had gone down to London and we had brought 100 Little Red Books, | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
Chairman Mao's lexicon. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
And the following Monday, we came to school. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
Immediately after assembly, started selling them. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
And during the lunch break, and waving them. I'll never forget that! | 0:43:53 | 0:43:59 | |
And the headmaster sort of looked at us, raised an eyebrow, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:05 | |
and passed on. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
That was his way of dealing with rebellion. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
And actually, it was very clever. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
Because if he had tried to seize them | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
or had in some way indicated disapproval, | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
that would have made us even more rebellious | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
and given us a cause. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:22 | |
He knew how to deal with it, but, in a way, | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
he was much more pleased that we were taking an interest. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
The passion for history Michael Wood developed | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
at Manchester Grammar School created its own controversies. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
It was a passion he continued to explore | 0:44:38 | 0:44:41 | |
as a successful TV historian and writer. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
1066 was the last occasion | 0:44:46 | 0:44:48 | |
on which England was conquered by a foreign invader. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:53 | |
And the Normans took over not a provincial backwater | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
but an older and in some respects a superior civilisation. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
The real inspiration for Michael | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
was his history teacher at MGS - Cuthbert Seton. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
We had a real point of disagreement - | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
he was really into Norman history and he loved the Normans, | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
and I was into Anglo-Saxon history | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
and I thought the Norman conquest was a catastrophe. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
We'd sometimes argue about this. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
In my last year, which was the anniversary of the Norman Conquest, | 0:45:19 | 0:45:23 | |
1966, 1066, there was a big magazine Sunday Times colour thing | 0:45:23 | 0:45:29 | |
by Field Marshal Montgomery, who was a great national hero in those days, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:34 | |
arguing that the Norman conquest had been a good thing | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
and the Anglo-Saxons were provincial, boorish long-haired drunkards | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
and only got civilisation through the Normans. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
And I, sitting in Cuthbert Seton's history class, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:48 | |
wrote a reply from King Harold himself, you see. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
And I sent this to the Sunday Times and they published it that week. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:57 | |
The long and short of it was he invited me | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
to the House of Lords to debate these things, | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
and I met Clement Attlee and it was an absolutely fantastic day. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:06 | |
You can imagine, for a northern grammar school kid | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
whose only trip to London had been to see United in a football match. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
Grammar schools lower down the pecking order | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
also had high ambitions for their pupils. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
Even the most difficult ones. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:25 | |
Rebellious sixth former Roy Greenslade had got into trouble | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
for a money-making scam he operated in the school library. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:38 | |
The headmaster called me in and he said, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
"Look, what do you want? What do you really want?" | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
And I said, "Well, actually, I'd like to be a journalist." | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
And he scoffed in that really annoying way | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
and said, "You'll never be on The Times." | 0:46:54 | 0:46:58 | |
And I thought, "I don't want to be on The Times, really!" | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
But Roy's headmaster had no intention of writing him off. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:08 | |
What Mr Granger, God bless him, did, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
was that he went to the local careers officer, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
asked if anything was around and smoothed my path on to the local paper, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:21 | |
literally found me a job so that he could get rid of me, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
which I am eternally grateful for. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
Roy went on to become a journalist, media commentator and author. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:32 | |
He's now professor of journalism at City University, London. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
Bob Miller left Dagenham County High without passing any of his O-levels. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
He came from a traveller background | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
and started working on the markets with his family. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
I was working at a shellfish barrow with my grandfather on a Sunday morning | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
and there was this queue, I remember, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
on this particular Sunday, waiting for their shrimps and winkles | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
and in it was my careers officer, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
and everyone was coming out worse the wear for drinks | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
and he said, "I've got an interview for you." | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
I said "Oh, good, lovely. Where's that?" | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
He said, "Grays Police Station, they're looking for police cadets." | 0:48:11 | 0:48:17 | |
Well, you could have heard a pin drop on the queue | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
and my grandfather said, "Police force?" | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
"You've got to be effing joking, in't ya?". | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
"Yeah, I think it would be good for you, Robert. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
"They play lots of sport. Right up your street. I'm sure you'll do well. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
"I'll give you the details if you pop in the office on Monday." | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
Well, that was it. Monday, I went in, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
and the following Saturday, I took the exam | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
and joined the Essex Police as a police cadet. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
Bob became a detective chief inspector. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
In later life, he studied for a degree at the Open University | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
and in 2006, became founder and chairman of the TS Eliot Society. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:54 | |
New horizons were opening up for grammar school pupils | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
but even in a city like Liverpool, which was at the forefront of change, | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
the opportunities were far more limited for girls than boys. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:08 | |
At the Liverpool Institute for Girls, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
one of the brightest students was Edwina Currie. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
She felt suffocated by her background | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
and her only hope of escape was to go to university. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
To go on to uni was a big ambition for a girl, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:25 | |
and I found myself constantly having to dream up reasons | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
why I wanted to do it. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
The real reason I wanted to go to university was to get away from home | 0:49:30 | 0:49:36 | |
and to do it in a way that would not disgrace my parents | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
so it was very parallel to those girlfriends that got pregnant | 0:49:40 | 0:49:45 | |
to get away from home, to have their own home, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
but I wasn't going to do that. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:50 | |
And I had to justify myself. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
Edwina sat the Oxbridge entrance exam and interview. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:02 | |
She was confident of passing but needed to make a big impression | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
to win the scholarship she needed to pay her way. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
It was just amazing. The whole experience is seared into my brain. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:14 | |
When I got home, the phone was ringing. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:19 | |
"Liverpool Telegram Office here. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
"It says, 'St Anne's College, scholarship offered, reply immediately.' " | 0:50:22 | 0:50:28 | |
"Do I congratulate you?" | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
God, it's all those years ago. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
I had my ticket to ride. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
Never looked back. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:57 | |
After her career as a Conservative politician ended, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
Edwina became a novelist and television personality. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:06 | |
By the late '60s, grammar schools were on the way out. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
The Labour government persuaded and pressured them to go comprehensive. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:17 | |
More than half amalgamated with local secondary modern schools. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:21 | |
It was hoped the large comprehensive schools would create | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
a grammar school education for all, but all too often, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:29 | |
they inherited the low ambitions of the secondary moderns. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:33 | |
One of these was Sue Elliott's secondary modern, | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
which became a comprehensive in her final year. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
My higher education options were pretty constrained really. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:45 | |
Nobody mentioned university to me. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
I loved drama and I desperately wanted to do drama. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:54 | |
"No, I don't think drama school, no. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
"No. We don't send anybody to drama school. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
"How about teacher training college? | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
"You could do a drama course at teacher training college? How about that?" | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
Despite this lack of encouragement and opportunity, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
Sue went on to become a writer and television executive, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
serving on the board of London Weekend Television, | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
but a residue of insecurity remained. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
I feel disadvantaged and have felt disadvantaged on many occasions | 0:52:21 | 0:52:27 | |
when everybody else around me is joining in, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
but I'm thinking, "Oh, God, I don't quite know what to say" | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
and "Will I say the right thing?" and "Will they think I'm stupid?" | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
The Conservatives came to power in 1970 | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
under an ex-grammar school pupil, Edward Heath. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
His Education Secretary, another ex-grammar school pupil, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
was Margaret Thatcher. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:52 | |
She was determined to reverse the demise of the grammar school | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
but the move to comprehensives had acquired so much momentum, | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
it proved unstoppable. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
Most middle-class Tory voters supported the change, | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
not wanting to risk their children failing the 11+. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
However, grammar school boys like Michael Portillo | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
didn't like what they saw. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
As I was reaching the end of my grammar school education, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
the word was out that the school would become comprehensivised. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
Pretty surprising. We had a Conservative government, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
Margaret Thatcher was Education Secretary, the local authority was Conservative. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
But it was going to be comprehensivised. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:29 | |
They did it in a brutal way, | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
cos we had this outstanding sixth form of 300 boys, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
so they decided to chop off the sixth form | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
and leave it as a school just for 11 to 15, 16, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
so all the masters who were used to teaching A-level | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
and people to go to Oxford and Cambridge | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
were scattered to the four winds. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:48 | |
Michael Portillo won a scholarship to Cambridge, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
then switched allegiance from Labour to Conservative, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
rising to be a Cabinet minister before turning to broadcasting. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
He still deeply regrets the loss of his old school. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
The school was no longer able to deliver to future generations | 0:54:04 | 0:54:09 | |
the amazing opportunities that had offered to us, | 0:54:09 | 0:54:13 | |
and that seemed both stupid and it seemed like vandalism | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
and it seemed like a tragedy. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:19 | |
The end of the grammar school was sealed by a new Labour government | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
in 1974, with a renewed commitment to comprehensivisation. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
The 1976 Education Act compels local education authorities | 0:54:27 | 0:54:33 | |
to introduce comprehensive education. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
Grammar school boys like Paul Boateng, | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
who was in his final year at Apsley Grammar School, | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
were unaware of the significance of these sweeping changes. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
There was a sense that something was going to change very clearly | 0:54:46 | 0:54:50 | |
and there was a sense, which the teachers clearly felt, of loss, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:55 | |
but we were so full of the expectation of life to come, | 0:54:55 | 0:55:00 | |
so it was only later, frankly, that we realised | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
that we had been part of an end of an era. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:08 | |
Paul Boateng became a Labour MP | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
and Britain's first black Cabinet minister. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
He is now a member of the House of Lords. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
The legacy of my school stayed with me for many years, | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
and when I became a Privy Councillor | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
and a right honourable, quote unquote, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
for me the most touching part of all of that | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
was the letter I received from my old headmaster. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
And... I actually find it quite hard even now to talk about that. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:41 | |
With enforced comprehensivisation, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:44 | |
most of the direct grant grammar schools | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
like Manchester Grammar School | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
left the state sector and became fee-paying public schools. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
For those like Michael Wood, who had benefited from a grammar school education, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:58 | |
reform seemed inevitable, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
but getting rid of the grammar schools was the wrong solution. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:03 | |
I had very mixed feelings when Manchester Grammar ceased to be a direct grant | 0:56:03 | 0:56:08 | |
cos people of very ordinary backgrounds did achieve at Manchester Grammar School. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:13 | |
It was more meritocratic perhaps than egalitarian. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
But when somewhere has been that good as an educational institution, | 0:56:16 | 0:56:22 | |
obviously you feel... | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
..sadness and a sort of disquiet at the dismantling of the system, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:30 | |
which is what I felt then, even though I thoroughly approved | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
of the idea that those opportunities should be available to everybody. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:39 | |
and I remember, cos all of my friends in Wythenshawe, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
who I used to play football with, at the age of 11 they got cut off, | 0:56:42 | 0:56:47 | |
and they went to a secondary mod or a tech, you know. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:51 | |
And it wasn't fair. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
Many comprehensive schools have provided Britain's children | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
with a better education than they would have received | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
in secondary moderns and some grammar schools in the past. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
But the standards of excellence once achieved by the best grammar schools | 0:57:06 | 0:57:11 | |
have been hard to match, resulting in an ever-widening gap | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
between state education and the public schools. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
The legacy of the grammar schools and their rise and fall | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
is still politically very divisive. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
We benefited so much. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
We almost took it for granted that we would benefit | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
because we were the clever ones. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
But everybody has a contribution to make in a modern democratic society. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:39 | |
That was missing when all we had was grammar schools. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
The tragedy of comprehensives is in many parts of the country, it's still missing. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:48 | |
And the only kids who are getting a decent education are the ones whose parents can pay for it. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:53 | |
I may be a Tory but I'm a Scouse Tory, and I feel that's deeply wrong. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:59 | |
To have a country in which only money buys a good education | 0:57:59 | 0:58:04 | |
is deeply, deeply wrong. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
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