Episode 2 The Grammar School: A Secret History


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This is the story of the golden age of Britain's grammar schools

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in the decades following the Second World War,

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and their sudden, dramatic demise.

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That demise is at the heart of an educational debate that still rages today.

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Grammar schools offered talented children from the poorest backgrounds

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the chance to go to some of the best schools in the country.

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It gave me the confidence to know

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that I could do whatever I set out to do.

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And being female didn't make any difference,

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being educated DID make a difference.

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The grammar schools created a generation of upwardly mobile high-flyers,

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who helped transform Britain.

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They owed much to their inspirational teachers,

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whose memory some still hold dear.

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The first major book I wrote,

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I dedicated to her.

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That was me, saying, "Thank you.

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"Thank you from the bottom of my heart."

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HE SOBS

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Make me cry!

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By 1964, there were 1,300 grammar schools in Britain.

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They educated a quarter of all secondary school pupils,

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and were at the height of their success.

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But in the '60s and '70s,

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a cultural revolution that aimed to create a more open and equal society

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swept away the grammar schools

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and the ladder to success they'd provided.

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To some, it seemed like an act of educational sabotage.

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The school was no longer able to deliver to future generations of boys

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the amazing opportunities that had been offered to us,

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and that seemed both stupid,

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and it seemed like vandalism, and it seemed like a tragedy.

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The grammar school was on the way out.

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# ..For the times they are a-changing... #

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The 1944 Education Act

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set out to create educational opportunities for all.

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There was to be a three-tiered state education system,

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with technical, secondary modern, and grammar schools,

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all geared to the different abilities of pupils.

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Gaining a place at grammar school, the most academic of the three,

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depended on passing the 11+ exam.

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For many working class families,

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a grammar school education offered a ladder of escape

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from the daily grind and struggle of manual labour,

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to the more secure world of the professions.

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This ambition held a special appeal for Neil Kinnock's family in south Wales.

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My family were coalminers and steelworkers.

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And they had as a glowing purpose,

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the ambition for success of the next generation.

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That was central to just about everything they thought of and did,

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the reason why they worked ridiculous hours.

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Parents' ambitions for their children often hinged on whether they passed or failed their 11+.

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Neil did so well,

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he won a free place at the top grammar school in Wales, Pengam,

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dubbed the Eton of the Valleys.

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My father got home from work at around 5:30.

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When he came through the door, I told him.

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And he and my mother were so evidently ready to burst with pride

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at the fact that...

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I'd made it, in terms that EVERYBODY could understand.

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For the first generation of children to benefit from the educational reforms of the 1944 Act,

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the exclusion of less able fee-paying pupils from the grammar schools

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meant that the proportion of working-class pupils attending them

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increased dramatically.

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Roy Strong went to Edmonton County Grammar in 1946.

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I came from a lower middle-class, white-collar district,

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and that was really the upper end of Edmonton County Grammar school,

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because it was on the Great Cambridge Road,

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and then you crossed to the other side, which was Edmonton, which was solidly working class.

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And those boys were often incredibly impoverished,

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and one would see teachers

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really go out of their way to help those people.

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I actually saw one or two teachers

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actually slip money to some of those impoverished bright people,

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and there was a sense of heroism,

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I think most of those teachers were committed socialists,

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seeing a golden dawn of opportunity for people who had been

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completely denied this way of ascending with their intellect,

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so, in a way, it was an heroic period.

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Jan Garbutt, the daughter of a bus conductor in Coventry,

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grew up in poverty.

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But in 1956, she did so well in her 11+ that she won a place at Barr's Hill grammar,

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the city's top grammar school for girls.

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I had never seen anything so beautiful

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as going through these gates and seeing this glorious school

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and to think that was where I was going to go, every day,

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to do things that I knew that I was going to enjoy, it was fantastic.

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And inside the building, the smell of the oak floors

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and the wood panelling of this beautiful, beautiful building,

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and the smell...

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I still retain that to this day.

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They say smells evoke memories, don't they,

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and the smell of the oak panelling

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and the wood of that glorious building

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evokes the strongest memories of my school days.

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Barbara Jones came from an impoverished mining family in Nottinghamshire.

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In 1949, she won a place as a boarder

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at the prestigious Queen Elizabeth Grammar School for Girls in Mansfield.

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With its emphasis on impeccable behaviour at all times,

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it was a world apart from her home life.

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Being a boarder was special.

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Manners had to be perfect, and we had to behave with decorum.

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Very Victorian values, and so, we would sit at the table,

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eating properly,

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with the correct knife and fork, with our mouths closed.

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If we needed something passing,

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other people on the table had to be aware of your needs, and pass it.

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You weren't allowed to say, "Will you pass me the salt, please?"

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They had to look after you, and we each had to do that.

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Grammar schools placed great importance on the wearing of school uniform.

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It created a sense of pride and belonging,

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as well as a new identity, rooted in the school.

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But poor families struggled to meet the costs.

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When Vincent Calder won a place at St Brendan's College in Bristol

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in 1954, his mother went to her local pawnbroker

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to help pay for his uniform.

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She suddenly arrives with the ring,

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she opened up her little purse, took out her ring,

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and it was her wedding ring.

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She must have done some research into the cost of the uniform,

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cos she said, "I need so much". I don't know how much.

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"Can you give it to me on this?"

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"That's your wedding ring", he said.

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"Yes, I know."

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He said, "I don't want to take your wedding ring. Is there anything else?"

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"It's all I have."

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With the money she borrowed on her wedding ring,

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Vincent's mother fitted him out with a full school uniform.

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When I put on the school uniform, first time...

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..God, you should have seen her face. It was amazing.

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I didn't even recognise myself, I'd never had new clothes, never.

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It was the first time I'd ever had new clothes.

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I'd always had hand-me-downs.

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And so I put on my school cap - the first one went over there.

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Can't do it now. But I mean...

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..her face was a picture then.

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School colours were important in encouraging children to feel proud

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and identify with their school.

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In 1948, Bob McCartney, who lived on the Shankill Road in Belfast,

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started at the new Grosvenor High School.

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It took a while for us to get ourselves sorted out,

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and for the staff to equip us all with the same rugby jersey.

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And for a while, we were known,

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I suppose a bit patronisingly,

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as the Liquorice Allsorts, because of our multi-coloured gear.

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But that soon changed.

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The greater ambition for me was to play for the school team,

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so the first year I played for the under 13s,

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the second year the under 14s, the next year the under 15s,

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and then I played for two years in the first XV.

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There was a sense of "play up, play up and play the game".

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You know, of being straight,

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and fair, and honourable in your dealings.

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There was a spirit of optimism in the face of hardship

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during the decade after the Second World War.

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But despite the pride the new working-class pupils

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felt in their school, they could experience divided loyalties.

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This often triggered rebellion against the rules.

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Like many other grammar schools, Pengam played rugby as opposed to soccer,

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a game that was frowned upon.

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If you were caught playing soccer with a tennis ball at lunchtime,

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you automatically went into detention.

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I loved both sports.

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I loved soccer because it was my father's sport,

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and he was a very, very accomplished footballer -

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he was a great all-round sportsman, actually -

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but rugby had caught my imagination as well, so I loved both sports.

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But I did, from the second and third form,

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play football with a tennis ball in the yard during lunchtime,

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in order to say "to hell with you" to authority.

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Working-class children were often pulled one way by the grammar school world,

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with its promise of success and upward mobility,

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and pulled another by loyalty to family and friends

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who had no such pretensions, as Vincent Calder discovered, to his cost.

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We had elocution lessons, and I'd never seen anybody like this,

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and he was making progress, it must have, because I came round,

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and I was with somebody once, and I was talking,

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and they said, "Oh, la-de-da!"

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And that really cut me to the quick,

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because I didn't want to be la-de-da.

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Enough was enough, I don't want to be separated from my brothers any more than I am, and my family.

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And I don't want to be la-de-da.

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And so, I immediately thought...

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..I'm not changing.

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They're not going to change me, I am not changing. I am who I am.

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But many working-class pupils did change.

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Praise from teachers and the promise of a better future

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were hard to resist, even if it did mean being cut off from your family.

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When Barbara Jones went home behaving very differently from her parents, they reprimanded her.

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I think it was worse because I was a boarder,

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had I have been an ordinary grammar school, day girl,

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I would have been going home to the normal home situation,

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and I wouldn't have known any different.

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But it was very hard, and I wouldn't take it.

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But this was a conflict that there was.

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Here was somebody who was disobedient,

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and superior in their view,

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and they felt threatened by this,

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because I'd gone out of their comfort zone.

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And they treated it in the only way they thought was necessary,

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and that was to force me to comply.

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It didn't work!

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However, an even bigger problem was fitting in at school.

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Some were terrified of being exposed as inferior, like Jan Garbutt.

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Because I'd had such a narrow home background,

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I hadn't realised how restricted my vocabulary actually was,

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and I remember feeling very embarrassed in one lesson,

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I don't remember what they were talking about,

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but the aspect of pharmacy came up, and in my ignorance,

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I assumed that pharmacy was to do with agriculture.

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A comment was made about my ignorance of the fact.

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And...

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I was absolutely mortified,

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mortified to the point that this day, I can still remember

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where I sat in class at that time, which girl I sat behind,

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and the feeling that I had

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when I became aware that I'd made a faux pas in assuming that

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pharmacy was to do with agriculture, and not another word for a chemist.

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But for those with a special artistic or academic gift,

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the whole atmosphere of grammar school could be liberating

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and a welcome refuge from the cultural impoverishment of home.

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It enabled the young Roy Strong to flourish. Nevertheless,

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his father was keen for him to leave school at the earliest opportunity.

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My father attempted to take me from school when I was 14.

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Both my parents had left school when they were 14.

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And he... By 14, it was clear that I had quite a high graphic skill,

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and he'd found a cartoonist on a newspaper who wanted an apprentice,

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but it was very heavily resisted by the school, I'm glad to say.

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One of Roy's principal allies was his history teacher, Joan Henderson.

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Roy responded with true devotion.

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When I was at school, I used to send her Christmas cards.

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Here's one of an 18th-century dandy, signed "R Strong, 3A".

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This must be a bit further on, it's...

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Again, always costumed figures, always retreat to the past.

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The vital role teachers played at that grammar school, for me,

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was that they gave me what my family couldn't give me.

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Because they couldn't, because they hadn't got it,

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they had not the education,

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they had not the inclination towards the arts,

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or any of the sort of things I was interested in,

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at all, really.

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And therefore, one suddenly came into contact with people

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who were, to use that word, cultured.

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But the skilled working classes had their own culture,

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and were very proud of it.

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For children who grew up in craft-based communities,

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like those which served the shipbuilding industry in Northern Ireland,

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the apprentice's skills had equal status to any academic knowledge learned at grammar school.

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There was absolutely no feeling -

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none whatever - that the grammar school boys

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were in any way superior to their contemporaries who were in work.

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And I can remember a chap who was an apprentice joiner

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in the shipyard,

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and there, after their third year of their apprenticeship,

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they had to produce a work piece.

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His work piece - almost medieval,

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which he had to offer to the man he was apprentice to, was a jawbox.

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And everybody thought it was so terrific,

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and he was so evidently proud of it.

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And... But you know, people like me admired him

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for what he could do.

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Just as he might have admired us, who knows, for being smart,

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or having access to a bit of knowledge which he didn't share.

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In the '50s, the biggest threat to grammar schools and their values

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was the rise of the new and rebellious working-class teenage culture.

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Originating with the Teddy boys, and driven by rock'n'roll music,

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this promised a much more exciting world than book learning.

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Most of all, it offered freedom from the rigid school rules

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for boys like Vince Calder.

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We were alive with a vibrancy,

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which, when you sit in the class...

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..hands on the desk,

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or like this - you see me still do this, time and time again, fold arms.

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That was how you'd spend your day.

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Just imagine then, when you got out and you heard this music,

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that burst you out, and you came alive.

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# Well since my baby left me

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# Well I found a new place to dwell

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# Well it's down at the end of Lonely Street

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# At Heartbreak Hotel... #

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Heartbreak Hotel was the first record I ever bought,

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and that described how I was feeling.

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"Heartbreak Hotel". He sang that amazingly.

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And that was... The rhythms and sounds were there,

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this wonderful slow, drawn-out, agonising thing.

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It was describing my teens.

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I wanted to be somewhere else,

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and I didn't know where I wanted to be.

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The high ambitions of grammar schools for their pupils' future careers

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were becoming out of step with the real lives of the new working-class teenagers.

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Some simply could not afford to continue into the sixth form,

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especially teenagers from poor families, like Jan Garbutt.

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We all had to traipse into the headmistress' office, and discuss

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hopes for further education, and what we intended to do.

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When I told her that I'd been accepted on a hairdressing course,

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she was really quite dismissive of the whole situation,

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and sort of...didn't give me any encouragement.

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She knew my home situation, she must have done,

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known the type of situation that I was in at home,

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and that further education,

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certainly to university, was out of the question.

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Jan became a hairdresser, and later manageress of a salon.

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Very few of the first generation of post-war working-class pupils

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who passed their 11+ and got to grammar school

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progressed to the sixth form, especially the girls.

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Barbara Jones's father was in no doubt that she had to start work.

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There was no argument about it, no discussion.

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That was it. So I had to get a job.

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But I didn't work in a factory, like all the other girls of my era did.

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One of the girls at school said that she'd applied for a job

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as a GPO telephonist, and I thought, "That sounds really posh!"

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"I don't know what a GPO telephonist is, but it sounds good!"

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So I applied, too, to become a GPO telephonist.

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By this time, I did know what it was,

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and I did become a GPO telephonist.

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But inspired by her grammar school education,

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Barbara later became a civil servant, and a feminist,

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committed to giving more opportunities to young people.

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The temptation of teenage independence

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prompted many working-class grammar school boys to leave,

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and start a job soon as they could.

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To buy into the lifestyle they wanted, they needed money.

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In 1960, Vince Calder left school,

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after deciding not to stay on in the sixth form.

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It was my chance to be who I wanted to be,

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not who somebody else wanted me to be.

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I was going to dress, I was going to go, do what I wanted to do,

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and all the discipline and all the restrictions that had been on me...

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..couldn't take it any more.

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The feeling of letting down his mother's grammar school

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hopes and ambitions continues to haunt Vince to this day.

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She wanted something special for me,

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and I know, I...

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Not when she was alive,

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it had to be after she was dead,

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that...what she wanted for me came through.

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After a string of casual jobs,

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Vince worked his way up to become an engineering designer.

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But for less well-off working-class children

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who overcame their initial resistance to the grammar school ethos of strict discipline,

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the sixth form opened up a very different world,

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with much more individual responsibility and opportunity.

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As Neil Kinnock discovered.

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I went into the sixth form, and my world changed.

0:22:280:22:31

Teachers started treating me as a 16, 17-year-old,

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um, the whole tone of activity changed,

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um...

0:22:420:22:45

There was...hardly any emphasis on discipline,

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and the head pulled a masterstroke.

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Instead of making me a sub-prefect,

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which was usual in the first year of the sixth form,

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he made me a full prefect immediately.

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On the basis that awarding me responsibility would produce a positive result.

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Neil Kinnock never looked back.

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One of the leading political figures of his generation

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in Britain and Europe, he's been called the greatest Prime Minister we ever had.

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Had I succeeded in my various efforts to leave school after the age of 15 -

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and they were repeated efforts! -

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I would have...so dismayed my parents,

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that they would have felt...betrayed, almost.

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Because of the investment of hope, as well as material support,

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that they'd made in me.

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By the time I got to the sixth form, I was trying to paint Elizabethan miniatures.

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They're all of the Virgin Queen, looking like a mobile Christmas tree, covered in jewels.

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Roy Strong's interest in Elizabethan portraiture was guided by his dedicated history teacher,

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Joan Henderson.

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There was only one printed catalogue, 1898,

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and it was in what is now the British library.

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And she'd copied that in longhand.

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In longhand, so that I could have it.

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That is something incredible for a teacher to have done for a 16, 17-year-old.

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Roy Strong's career quickly blossomed,

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and after completing an art history PhD,

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in 1967, he became the youngest director of the National Portrait Gallery, at the age of 31.

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But Roy never forgot the huge debt he owed to his most inspirational teacher.

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I always remember the first major book I wrote

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on Elizabeth painting, The English Icon, I dedicated to her.

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And she came up and had lunch with me,

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then I was director of the Portrait Gallery.

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And that was her book, that was me saying "Thank you".

0:25:000:25:05

"Thank you from the bottom of my heart."

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Make me cry.

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She gave me so much.

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By the early 1960s, the grammar schools, despite their problems,

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were helping to revitalise post-war Britain.

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Just a minute, please.

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Could we make those quavers a little more clear?

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One, two.

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Children from less privileged backgrounds were given the opportunities

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that their parents could only have dreamt of.

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Upward social mobility was in full swing.

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Much of it was subconscious.

0:25:520:25:54

There was a conscious level

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when you had to be familiar with this material in order to sit an exam.

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But at a subconscious level, you were absorbing feelings,

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and a taste for this subject,

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which was going to remain with you all your life.

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Bob McCartney went on to study law at Queens University Belfast.

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He later became a barrister, and leader of the UK Unionist party.

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There's that hackneyed phrase about, "What is education for?"

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Is it to enable you to earn a living, or is it to teach you how to live?

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Well, I think, in effect, it's both,

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but if you can earn your living

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doing something that you really love to do,

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and appreciating all the smells and senses and feelings, it's marvellous.

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Like a holiday!

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I enjoyed every moment of my legal career.

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For that reason.

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But by the early '60s, the fate of the majority of schoolchildren

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who didn't go to grammar school could no longer be ignored.

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They went to secondary modern schools,

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which became the only option after the technical schools

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imagined by the 1944 Education Act never really took off.

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Often underfunded, in dilapidated buildings,

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the schools were seen to be second class.

0:27:200:27:24

I'm going to ask you some questions which are going to be similar

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to those which you will have in your examination.

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I want you to...

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The 11+, always seen as a major hurdle,

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now became ever more important.

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Question number one...

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Not passing, and not getting into grammar school,

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meant being consigned to an inferior education.

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The system appeared more and more unfair.

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Sue Elliott was well aware of the importance of passing the 11+ exam

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she took in 1962.

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When that horrible

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little thin envelope arrived at our house,

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I knew that I'd failed, because that was how you knew.

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If you had a nice big fat envelope, it meant you'd passed,

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because that offered you all sorts of choices of local grammar schools,

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and told you all about lovely uniforms,

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and all the equipment you wanted.

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And if you had a little thin envelope,

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that meant that you were just told

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which local secondary mod you were going to, no choice. That was it.

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-Well, Janet, you're 11 years of age now, aren't you?

-Yes.

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And therefore, you've left the primary school,

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and you've come to the secondary school.

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Secondary modern school, you know that is what it is called, don't you?

0:28:460:28:50

Yes. We're rather sorry Janet failed the 11+.

0:28:500:28:53

Well, I hardly think that "failed" is the right word, Mrs Kitchen.

0:28:530:28:58

Despite trying to convince parents and pupils to the contrary,

0:28:580:29:03

everybody knew that failing the 11+

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meant failure on a much bigger scale.

0:29:050:29:08

My mum and dad were devastated.

0:29:100:29:13

They were very, very disappointed, I think, and upset.

0:29:130:29:19

They'd always said to me, "You can only do your best,

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"and of course we'll still love you if you fail."

0:29:230:29:27

But I knew in my heart of hearts

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that I had failed a very significant hurdle in life.

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And that one way or another this was going to

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affect my chances for the rest of my life.

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The winners amongst the new '60s generation

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would experience the final heyday of the grammar school system,

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which was graded from top to bottom on the basis of ability.

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Children who did well in their 11+ could win a scholarship to

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one of the best schools in the country if they also did

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exceptionally well in the school's entrance examination.

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One of the top girls' schools in the North-West

0:30:040:30:07

was the Liverpool Institute High School for Girls.

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Edwina Currie won a scholarship there in 1958.

0:30:110:30:15

The atmosphere was to encourage you to do your best.

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One of the tasks of these very good teachers, totally dedicated teachers,

0:30:200:30:24

was to find out what was your best and push you in that direction,

0:30:240:30:28

push you further than you might naturally perhaps want to go.

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So I arrived at the school with the other Margaret Bryce scholars

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to find we were skipping the first year, straight into the second year.

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From the word go, the brightest scholarship girls had to be high achievers.

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THEY GREET THE TEACHER

0:30:450:30:48

That little group of special scholarship kids

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were made to feel special, and pushed much harder.

0:30:540:30:58

Bien, Janet. Un port couteau.

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Coming fifth or sixth was not good enough.

0:31:020:31:05

It may be good enough for the others, but you're a scholarship girl,

0:31:050:31:08

now you keep doing it.

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It was a privilege, but it was a responsibility.

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And words like duty just flowed, "You have a duty to do this.

0:31:140:31:18

"You can't let anyone down, you can't let yourself down,

0:31:180:31:22

"you're not going to let us down as teachers."

0:31:220:31:25

I think I've changed my mind a bit.

0:31:250:31:27

I think the poem isn't really statements of fact...

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The top boys grammar school in the country was Manchester Grammar.

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There was fierce competition to win a scholarship to MGS

0:31:360:31:39

but that was just the beginning of a relentless system of testing

0:31:390:31:43

and class positions, designed to push every pupil to the limit.

0:31:430:31:48

Michael Wood started there in 1959.

0:31:480:31:51

It was incredibly exciting,

0:31:510:31:53

because Manchester Grammar School changed everything.

0:31:530:31:57

The beginning was scary, and they had fortnightly tests.

0:31:570:32:01

Known as fortnightlies!

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And you sit in the class according to where you did

0:32:030:32:07

in the exam for each fortnight.

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And the first fortnightly was just sheer terror to me.

0:32:100:32:16

I had never done any languages, for example.

0:32:160:32:19

And I came, not bottom, but well into the 20s in a 32-person class.

0:32:190:32:26

There was some...

0:32:260:32:28

I definitely detected a kind of attitude on the part of the teacher

0:32:280:32:32

that "You should do better, Wood."

0:32:320:32:35

At Harrow County,

0:32:370:32:38

the school film, Makers Of Men, spelled out the school's message.

0:32:380:32:43

The new boys, as first formers, enter the school on their very first day,

0:32:430:32:47

feeling perhaps more than a little overawed by the occasion

0:32:470:32:51

and acutely aware that in this school

0:32:510:32:54

only the best will satisfy the demand.

0:32:540:32:57

The school measured its success by the number of pupils

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who went on to Oxbridge, and by a long list of illustrious alumni.

0:33:000:33:05

When Michael Portillo won a scholarship there in 1964,

0:33:050:33:09

he knew what he was up against.

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Competition was the very essence of the school, it's what drove it.

0:33:120:33:16

We all wanted to succeed so much.

0:33:160:33:18

The glittering prize was ahead of us.

0:33:180:33:21

The glittering prize particularly was to go to university

0:33:210:33:24

and to go to Oxford and Cambridge.

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As though to rub it home, in the hall where we assembled every morning,

0:33:250:33:29

there was a thing called the honours board which recorded all the boys

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over the generations who had managed to get to Oxford and Cambridge.

0:33:330:33:37

Each term we would see the names of boys that we knew

0:33:370:33:40

added in gold paint on to this beautiful wooden board.

0:33:400:33:44

Harrow County school was so successful,

0:33:450:33:48

its results were beginning to match

0:33:480:33:50

those of its famous public school neighbour.

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Public schools like Harrow continued to educate

0:33:530:33:56

the children of Britain's wealthiest families.

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In these exclusive fee-paying schools, privilege was entrenched.

0:33:590:34:04

But by the early '60s,

0:34:040:34:06

grammar school pupils were winning half of all Oxbridge places.

0:34:060:34:09

The aura of the public schools, however, persisted.

0:34:090:34:13

The school was set up in the shadow, literally, of Harrow School.

0:34:130:34:20

Despite all that our grammar schools did for us,

0:34:200:34:22

I don't think they ever made us quite as effortlessly confident

0:34:220:34:27

or even as effortlessly charming as those public schoolboys.

0:34:270:34:31

Grammar schools also developed their own pecking order.

0:34:320:34:36

The highest achieving schools recruited from children

0:34:360:34:39

who got the best results in their 11+.

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-Good morning.

-Good morning, sir!

0:34:420:34:44

But all grammar schools went out of their way to encourage

0:34:440:34:48

the virtue of excellence in every aspect of school life.

0:34:480:34:52

Roy Greenslade went to Dagenham County High.

0:34:530:34:57

The implications of not being in

0:34:570:35:00

the premier league of grammar schools was not lost on Roy

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or his contemporaries.

0:35:030:35:05

We were being educated on the understanding

0:35:050:35:08

that we could do useful jobs and we wouldn't do jobs like our parents.

0:35:080:35:13

But at the same time there was an understanding

0:35:130:35:16

that we weren't a first-rank grammar school

0:35:160:35:19

that could look to getting many people to university,

0:35:190:35:22

and there weren't as many universities.

0:35:220:35:24

Dagenham County High wasn't the best grammar school in Essex,

0:35:240:35:29

but they knew what they were good at.

0:35:290:35:31

One of the things about Dagenham was that football was the great leveller.

0:35:310:35:37

There was this enormous pride around County High - "OK, we are very aware

0:35:370:35:43

"that we are not quite up with Romford Royal Liberty,

0:35:430:35:46

"or Hornchurch Grammar, or Ilford County High -

0:35:460:35:49

"they seem to be a class apart.

0:35:490:35:51

"But, my goodness, we can play football

0:35:510:35:53

"and we can do it elegantly and brilliantly."

0:35:530:35:56

School sports were used not only to promote a spirit of achievement

0:35:590:36:04

within the school but also in interschool competitions.

0:36:040:36:07

This gave Bob Miller, Roy Greenslade's friend

0:36:070:36:11

from Dagenham High, a chance for his place in the sun.

0:36:110:36:14

My saving grace at that grammar school was that I was good at sport.

0:36:150:36:20

Sports, if you was not academically bright and therefore

0:36:210:36:27

when you got streamed they put you into, in my case, the D stream,

0:36:270:36:32

where you had to work at all the academic subjects,

0:36:320:36:35

some of which I liked, some of which I didn't,

0:36:350:36:38

there was always the fallback onto sport.

0:36:380:36:42

Of course, sport gave me the opportunity to represent Dagenham

0:36:420:36:46

at a district level and, in some cases, later on,

0:36:460:36:50

Essex at county level.

0:36:500:36:52

And all of this actually raised your status in the school

0:36:520:36:58

and for yourself, it raised your own self-esteem.

0:36:580:37:00

Sporting achievement helped many grammar schools create

0:37:020:37:06

a strong sense of pride and identity,

0:37:060:37:08

wherever they were in the academic league table.

0:37:080:37:11

When Paul Boateng arrived at Apsley Grammar School in 1966,

0:37:130:37:17

he was the only black boy in the school.

0:37:170:37:20

The headmaster was keen for him to do well.

0:37:200:37:23

I will never forget my first day.

0:37:230:37:25

I had a brilliant headmaster called VJ Wrigley.

0:37:250:37:29

So he takes me by the shoulder, gets me into some borrowed whites,

0:37:290:37:35

and then we go over to the cricket team and he says,

0:37:350:37:40

"This is the school's great hope.

0:37:400:37:42

"We are now going to sort out the county in cricket."

0:37:420:37:46

Unfortunately, he hadn't discussed this with me,

0:37:460:37:49

because I'm from Ghana, not Guyana,

0:37:490:37:52

and we don't do cricket in Ghana, we do football!

0:37:520:37:56

So I'm afraid I wasn't the great black hope of Hertfordshire cricket.

0:37:560:38:02

But what I was good at, and the headmaster soon cottoned on to this,

0:38:020:38:05

because he encouraged dissent and debate within his class,

0:38:050:38:10

the general knowledge class which he insisted on teaching himself,

0:38:100:38:14

I became captain of the school debating team,

0:38:140:38:18

and we won all sorts of trophies.

0:38:180:38:21

-ALL:

-And lead us not into temptation...

0:38:210:38:24

There was no debate, however,

0:38:240:38:27

as to which schools were at the bottom of the educational league table in the 1960s.

0:38:270:38:31

# A-a-a-aah-men. #

0:38:330:38:38

The secondary moderns taught around two-thirds of all Britain's children.

0:38:380:38:43

-Good morning, girls.

-Good morning, Miss May.

0:38:430:38:46

These children lived in a totally different world

0:38:480:38:51

to the grammar schools.

0:38:510:38:53

We all, at this school, which was actually a pretty big school,

0:38:550:39:01

we just felt we were different.

0:39:010:39:03

We didn't have anything to do with the grammar school kids -

0:39:030:39:07

we didn't play them at games, we didn't have joint productions,

0:39:070:39:10

we didn't meet them in any social or educational context at all.

0:39:100:39:17

But not all secondary modern schools failed their children.

0:39:170:39:21

Many aspired to give the best possible education to their pupils.

0:39:210:39:25

I suspected that the standard of teaching that we got

0:39:250:39:30

wasn't as good as that that the pupils at grammar school got.

0:39:300:39:37

But the head teacher at my secondary mod was ambitious -

0:39:380:39:44

he was ambitious for the school, he was ambitious for us.

0:39:440:39:48

He encouraged people to take exams.

0:39:480:39:53

It was a pretty good school of its type, really.

0:39:530:39:58

Could you give those out for me, Brenda, please?

0:40:020:40:04

Despite the brave attempts of some secondary modern schools

0:40:040:40:08

to escape from the stigma of failure,

0:40:080:40:10

the segregation of children was becoming a major political issue.

0:40:100:40:14

The 11+ selection process

0:40:140:40:17

and its consequences were becoming unacceptable.

0:40:170:40:20

May I have your attention, please?

0:40:200:40:23

Early experiments with large, modern comprehensive schools

0:40:230:40:27

which accepted all pupils in their area, whatever their ability,

0:40:270:40:32

were proving successful.

0:40:320:40:34

The Labour party led by Harold Wilson,

0:40:340:40:37

the first grammar school boy to achieve high office,

0:40:370:40:40

wanted the whole country to go comprehensive

0:40:400:40:43

and made it an election issue in 1964.

0:40:430:40:46

When I first went to my grammar school it was at exactly the time

0:40:460:40:50

of the October 1964 general election.

0:40:500:40:52

So, as soon as I got there, we were thrown into a mock election in the school

0:40:520:40:56

and I became the first year assistant to the Labour Party candidate.

0:40:560:41:02

And I remember I gave him the first piece of political advice I ever gave.

0:41:020:41:06

I said, "I've been talking to all the boys and you are going to lose,

0:41:060:41:10

"you're going to be crucified on this policy of comprehensivisation of the schools.

0:41:100:41:16

"In this grammar school this goes down so badly."

0:41:160:41:19

The dream of a new and fairer education system appealed to many parents,

0:41:210:41:25

including middle-class parents who had suffered

0:41:250:41:28

the indignity of their children failing the 11+.

0:41:280:41:31

We understood that there were two powerful criticisms

0:41:310:41:34

of the grammar schools.

0:41:340:41:36

One was that you had to pass an 11+

0:41:360:41:37

so your fate hung on your performance on a single day.

0:41:370:41:41

And the other problem was that those who went to secondary modern school

0:41:410:41:44

did not have the opportunities that we had,

0:41:440:41:47

didn't even have proper opportunities.

0:41:470:41:49

This was an issue the new Secretary of State for Education, Anthony Crosland,

0:41:490:41:53

made a priority after Labour's 1964 election victory.

0:41:530:41:57

The first thing we are doing, we're trying to get rid of something

0:41:570:42:01

that's become an absolute curse to children in this country.

0:42:010:42:05

We're getting rid of the 11+.

0:42:050:42:07

I think today almost all parents agree with us

0:42:070:42:09

that selection is bad, it's a chancy business, and it's unjust.

0:42:090:42:14

You can't divide children up at the age of 11

0:42:140:42:18

into 20% going to a superior education

0:42:180:42:21

and 80% to whom we say, "We're sorry, you're not up to it."

0:42:210:42:25

The new cultural icons of the '60s, like the Beatles,

0:42:250:42:29

three of whom were Liverpool grammar school boys, embraced a vision

0:42:290:42:33

of a different world that questioned the old conventional values.

0:42:330:42:37

# Shake it up baby now

0:42:370:42:38

# Shake it up baby

0:42:380:42:40

# Twist and shout

0:42:400:42:42

# Twist and shout... #

0:42:420:42:43

The grammar school was in danger of becoming out of touch

0:42:430:42:47

and irrelevant for the young generation.

0:42:470:42:49

But some schools rose to the challenge.

0:42:490:42:52

Somehow, in that particular time in the '60s,

0:42:520:42:56

the grammar school that I went to, anyway, was able to open up

0:42:560:43:01

and accommodate the excitement and the passion,

0:43:010:43:05

and the dissension of the times,

0:43:050:43:07

in ways that were very, very constructive.

0:43:070:43:10

# Your sons and your daughters... #

0:43:100:43:12

Grammar school boys like Paul were swept along with

0:43:120:43:16

the tide of student protest in the late' 60s,

0:43:160:43:18

adopting the new political heroes with their promises of revolutionary change.

0:43:180:43:23

# ..the times they are a changing. #

0:43:230:43:28

One of the most unlikely heroes was Chairman Mao,

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whose Little Red Book sold more than a billion copies around the world.

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We had gone down to London and we had brought 100 Little Red Books,

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Chairman Mao's lexicon.

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And the following Monday, we came to school.

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Immediately after assembly, started selling them.

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And during the lunch break, and waving them. I'll never forget that!

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And the headmaster sort of looked at us, raised an eyebrow,

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and passed on.

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That was his way of dealing with rebellion.

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And actually, it was very clever.

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Because if he had tried to seize them

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or had in some way indicated disapproval,

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that would have made us even more rebellious

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and given us a cause.

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He knew how to deal with it, but, in a way,

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he was much more pleased that we were taking an interest.

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The passion for history Michael Wood developed

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at Manchester Grammar School created its own controversies.

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It was a passion he continued to explore

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as a successful TV historian and writer.

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1066 was the last occasion

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on which England was conquered by a foreign invader.

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And the Normans took over not a provincial backwater

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but an older and in some respects a superior civilisation.

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The real inspiration for Michael

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was his history teacher at MGS - Cuthbert Seton.

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We had a real point of disagreement -

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he was really into Norman history and he loved the Normans,

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and I was into Anglo-Saxon history

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and I thought the Norman conquest was a catastrophe.

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We'd sometimes argue about this.

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In my last year, which was the anniversary of the Norman Conquest,

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1966, 1066, there was a big magazine Sunday Times colour thing

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by Field Marshal Montgomery, who was a great national hero in those days,

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arguing that the Norman conquest had been a good thing

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and the Anglo-Saxons were provincial, boorish long-haired drunkards

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and only got civilisation through the Normans.

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And I, sitting in Cuthbert Seton's history class,

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wrote a reply from King Harold himself, you see.

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And I sent this to the Sunday Times and they published it that week.

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The long and short of it was he invited me

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to the House of Lords to debate these things,

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and I met Clement Attlee and it was an absolutely fantastic day.

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You can imagine, for a northern grammar school kid

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whose only trip to London had been to see United in a football match.

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Grammar schools lower down the pecking order

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also had high ambitions for their pupils.

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Even the most difficult ones.

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Rebellious sixth former Roy Greenslade had got into trouble

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for a money-making scam he operated in the school library.

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The headmaster called me in and he said,

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"Look, what do you want? What do you really want?"

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And I said, "Well, actually, I'd like to be a journalist."

0:46:460:46:50

And he scoffed in that really annoying way

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and said, "You'll never be on The Times."

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And I thought, "I don't want to be on The Times, really!"

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But Roy's headmaster had no intention of writing him off.

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What Mr Granger, God bless him, did,

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was that he went to the local careers officer,

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asked if anything was around and smoothed my path on to the local paper,

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literally found me a job so that he could get rid of me,

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which I am eternally grateful for.

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Roy went on to become a journalist, media commentator and author.

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He's now professor of journalism at City University, London.

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Bob Miller left Dagenham County High without passing any of his O-levels.

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He came from a traveller background

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and started working on the markets with his family.

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I was working at a shellfish barrow with my grandfather on a Sunday morning

0:47:480:47:52

and there was this queue, I remember,

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on this particular Sunday, waiting for their shrimps and winkles

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and in it was my careers officer,

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and everyone was coming out worse the wear for drinks

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and he said, "I've got an interview for you."

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I said "Oh, good, lovely. Where's that?"

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He said, "Grays Police Station, they're looking for police cadets."

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Well, you could have heard a pin drop on the queue

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and my grandfather said, "Police force?"

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"You've got to be effing joking, in't ya?".

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"Yeah, I think it would be good for you, Robert.

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"They play lots of sport. Right up your street. I'm sure you'll do well.

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"I'll give you the details if you pop in the office on Monday."

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Well, that was it. Monday, I went in,

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and the following Saturday, I took the exam

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and joined the Essex Police as a police cadet.

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Bob became a detective chief inspector.

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In later life, he studied for a degree at the Open University

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and in 2006, became founder and chairman of the TS Eliot Society.

0:48:490:48:54

New horizons were opening up for grammar school pupils

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but even in a city like Liverpool, which was at the forefront of change,

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the opportunities were far more limited for girls than boys.

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At the Liverpool Institute for Girls,

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one of the brightest students was Edwina Currie.

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She felt suffocated by her background

0:49:130:49:16

and her only hope of escape was to go to university.

0:49:160:49:20

To go on to uni was a big ambition for a girl,

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and I found myself constantly having to dream up reasons

0:49:250:49:28

why I wanted to do it.

0:49:280:49:30

The real reason I wanted to go to university was to get away from home

0:49:300:49:36

and to do it in a way that would not disgrace my parents

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so it was very parallel to those girlfriends that got pregnant

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to get away from home, to have their own home,

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but I wasn't going to do that.

0:49:490:49:50

And I had to justify myself.

0:49:520:49:55

Edwina sat the Oxbridge entrance exam and interview.

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She was confident of passing but needed to make a big impression

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to win the scholarship she needed to pay her way.

0:50:050:50:09

It was just amazing. The whole experience is seared into my brain.

0:50:090:50:14

When I got home, the phone was ringing.

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"Liverpool Telegram Office here.

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"It says, 'St Anne's College, scholarship offered, reply immediately.' "

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"Do I congratulate you?"

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God, it's all those years ago.

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I had my ticket to ride.

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Never looked back.

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After her career as a Conservative politician ended,

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Edwina became a novelist and television personality.

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By the late '60s, grammar schools were on the way out.

0:51:080:51:12

The Labour government persuaded and pressured them to go comprehensive.

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More than half amalgamated with local secondary modern schools.

0:51:170:51:21

It was hoped the large comprehensive schools would create

0:51:210:51:24

a grammar school education for all, but all too often,

0:51:240:51:29

they inherited the low ambitions of the secondary moderns.

0:51:290:51:33

One of these was Sue Elliott's secondary modern,

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which became a comprehensive in her final year.

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My higher education options were pretty constrained really.

0:51:390:51:45

Nobody mentioned university to me.

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I loved drama and I desperately wanted to do drama.

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"No, I don't think drama school, no.

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"No. We don't send anybody to drama school.

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"How about teacher training college?

0:52:000:52:03

"You could do a drama course at teacher training college? How about that?"

0:52:030:52:07

Despite this lack of encouragement and opportunity,

0:52:080:52:11

Sue went on to become a writer and television executive,

0:52:110:52:14

serving on the board of London Weekend Television,

0:52:140:52:17

but a residue of insecurity remained.

0:52:170:52:21

I feel disadvantaged and have felt disadvantaged on many occasions

0:52:210:52:27

when everybody else around me is joining in,

0:52:270:52:30

but I'm thinking, "Oh, God, I don't quite know what to say"

0:52:300:52:34

and "Will I say the right thing?" and "Will they think I'm stupid?"

0:52:340:52:39

The Conservatives came to power in 1970

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under an ex-grammar school pupil, Edward Heath.

0:52:430:52:47

His Education Secretary, another ex-grammar school pupil,

0:52:470:52:51

was Margaret Thatcher.

0:52:510:52:52

She was determined to reverse the demise of the grammar school

0:52:520:52:56

but the move to comprehensives had acquired so much momentum,

0:52:560:52:59

it proved unstoppable.

0:52:590:53:02

Most middle-class Tory voters supported the change,

0:53:020:53:05

not wanting to risk their children failing the 11+.

0:53:050:53:08

However, grammar school boys like Michael Portillo

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didn't like what they saw.

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As I was reaching the end of my grammar school education,

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the word was out that the school would become comprehensivised.

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Pretty surprising. We had a Conservative government,

0:53:200:53:23

Margaret Thatcher was Education Secretary, the local authority was Conservative.

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But it was going to be comprehensivised.

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They did it in a brutal way,

0:53:290:53:31

cos we had this outstanding sixth form of 300 boys,

0:53:310:53:34

so they decided to chop off the sixth form

0:53:340:53:37

and leave it as a school just for 11 to 15, 16,

0:53:370:53:41

so all the masters who were used to teaching A-level

0:53:410:53:44

and people to go to Oxford and Cambridge

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were scattered to the four winds.

0:53:470:53:48

Michael Portillo won a scholarship to Cambridge,

0:53:480:53:52

then switched allegiance from Labour to Conservative,

0:53:520:53:55

rising to be a Cabinet minister before turning to broadcasting.

0:53:550:53:59

He still deeply regrets the loss of his old school.

0:54:010:54:04

The school was no longer able to deliver to future generations

0:54:040:54:09

the amazing opportunities that had offered to us,

0:54:090:54:13

and that seemed both stupid and it seemed like vandalism

0:54:130:54:17

and it seemed like a tragedy.

0:54:170:54:19

The end of the grammar school was sealed by a new Labour government

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in 1974, with a renewed commitment to comprehensivisation.

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The 1976 Education Act compels local education authorities

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to introduce comprehensive education.

0:54:330:54:37

Grammar school boys like Paul Boateng,

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who was in his final year at Apsley Grammar School,

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were unaware of the significance of these sweeping changes.

0:54:420:54:46

There was a sense that something was going to change very clearly

0:54:460:54:50

and there was a sense, which the teachers clearly felt, of loss,

0:54:500:54:55

but we were so full of the expectation of life to come,

0:54:550:55:00

so it was only later, frankly, that we realised

0:55:000:55:04

that we had been part of an end of an era.

0:55:040:55:08

Paul Boateng became a Labour MP

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and Britain's first black Cabinet minister.

0:55:110:55:14

He is now a member of the House of Lords.

0:55:140:55:18

The legacy of my school stayed with me for many years,

0:55:180:55:21

and when I became a Privy Councillor

0:55:210:55:24

and a right honourable, quote unquote,

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for me the most touching part of all of that

0:55:270:55:30

was the letter I received from my old headmaster.

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And... I actually find it quite hard even now to talk about that.

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With enforced comprehensivisation,

0:55:420:55:44

most of the direct grant grammar schools

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like Manchester Grammar School

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left the state sector and became fee-paying public schools.

0:55:490:55:53

For those like Michael Wood, who had benefited from a grammar school education,

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reform seemed inevitable,

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but getting rid of the grammar schools was the wrong solution.

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I had very mixed feelings when Manchester Grammar ceased to be a direct grant

0:56:030:56:08

cos people of very ordinary backgrounds did achieve at Manchester Grammar School.

0:56:080:56:13

It was more meritocratic perhaps than egalitarian.

0:56:130:56:16

But when somewhere has been that good as an educational institution,

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obviously you feel...

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..sadness and a sort of disquiet at the dismantling of the system,

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which is what I felt then, even though I thoroughly approved

0:56:300:56:34

of the idea that those opportunities should be available to everybody.

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and I remember, cos all of my friends in Wythenshawe,

0:56:390:56:42

who I used to play football with, at the age of 11 they got cut off,

0:56:420:56:47

and they went to a secondary mod or a tech, you know.

0:56:470:56:51

And it wasn't fair.

0:56:510:56:54

Many comprehensive schools have provided Britain's children

0:56:560:56:59

with a better education than they would have received

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in secondary moderns and some grammar schools in the past.

0:57:020:57:06

But the standards of excellence once achieved by the best grammar schools

0:57:060:57:11

have been hard to match, resulting in an ever-widening gap

0:57:110:57:14

between state education and the public schools.

0:57:140:57:17

The legacy of the grammar schools and their rise and fall

0:57:200:57:24

is still politically very divisive.

0:57:240:57:27

We benefited so much.

0:57:270:57:29

We almost took it for granted that we would benefit

0:57:290:57:32

because we were the clever ones.

0:57:320:57:34

But everybody has a contribution to make in a modern democratic society.

0:57:340:57:39

That was missing when all we had was grammar schools.

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The tragedy of comprehensives is in many parts of the country, it's still missing.

0:57:420:57:48

And the only kids who are getting a decent education are the ones whose parents can pay for it.

0:57:480:57:53

I may be a Tory but I'm a Scouse Tory, and I feel that's deeply wrong.

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To have a country in which only money buys a good education

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is deeply, deeply wrong.

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