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Britain is a green and pleasant land - but for how long?

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We're now getting to a situation where any site's worth putting a planning application in for.

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After the biggest shake-up of the planning system in 40 years, the

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race is on to get Britain building.

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If I have a house here, I'm thinking about building a sort of Berlin Wall.

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It's got to be at least six feet high.

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So constructors are making plans.

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Whoever designed that needs to be shot.

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Objectors are making noises.

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I've had e-bloody-nough of it with what we've got in this town for councillors

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-and the load of

-BLEEP

-they're putting up.

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And neighbours are going to war.

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We always won our battles as a family, and we'll win this one.

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In the firing line, shaping the country of the future, are Britain's planners.

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Nothing happens in the hall, yeah?

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No? Yes? No? Yes?

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Thank you for letting us visit. And we'll see you on Thursday.

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Another British planning cock-up, really.

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Over the last two decades, wind farms have

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appeared on the landscape with increasing frequency, as a

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result of the Government's drive to hit renewable energy targets.

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With subsidies available to developers,

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applications go to the planners wherever the wind blows.

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OK. Here we are.

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And in Berkeley Vale in Gloucestershire, former New Age traveller Dale Vince

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has applied for permission to build the county's first wind farm.

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Of any given part of Britain, you find very few places where wind turbines can actually work.

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Because there are so many constraints on windmills, it just rules out most of the land.

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At 120 metres, the proposed turbines will stand taller than Big Ben.

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The first one will be in this field. It starts there,

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and it runs in a straight line of four, parallel to the railway line.

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They're very graceful, elegant structures.

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They coast around in the wind. They're actually wonderful

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pieces of engineering, and almost pieces of art in the countryside.

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But applications to build wind turbines are often

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met by fierce local opposition, and it's the planners who get

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caught in the middle of disputes that can last for years.

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These applications are really contentious when they come in.

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To some extent, I think my team think I'm picking on them

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if I ask them to do one, you know, who's been the bad boy this week

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gets the next wind turbine application.

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I think to some extent what you've got to look at is beauty

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is in the eye of the beholder. To some people, this is new

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technology and new architecture, but to some other people the fact

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that they rotate distracts the eye and takes away from the natural beauty,

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and it depends on which direction you come from as to whether or not they're beautiful or hideous.

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Applicant Dale Vince started his turbine business after

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living in a caravan which he powered with a mini turbine.

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Since then, business has boomed,

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and his company is now the UK's biggest alternative energy

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supplier, with a turnover of more than £46 million a year.

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Dale Vince is a bit of a local legend. He's self-made,

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he's taken over quite a lot of employment in the area,

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his main headquarters are here. He's probably one of the largest

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employers in the area, so the community do know him.

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To say things about Dale, people know who Dale is.

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It's getting to be Madonna territory, where he's known by one name.

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Dale's application to build Gloucestershire's first wind

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farm has been in the system for two years.

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Rejected at first, Dale has now launched an appeal.

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If he wins, the turbines will be built less than a mile

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away from the village of Stinchcombe.

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Now the residents have formed a campaign group to keep Dale

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out of the Vale.

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It was claimed by Ecotricity and Dale Vince

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that they had done a survey and they had found

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that two thirds of people

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in the area were quite happy about

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turbines and would be perfectly happy to have them near them.

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So we wanted to demonstrate straight away, "Look, we're

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"a village of 300 people. These people are prepared to turn out and to just demonstrate,

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"hang on - you've got it wrong. This local community

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"does not want two turbines, although you're trying to claim that two thirds of people do."

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News of the appeal has spread further than Stinchcombe village hall.

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Leading the protests against the wind farm...

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Morning.

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..is a man whose family have lived in the Vale for 900 years - Mr Berkeley of Berkeley Castle.

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12th century, the castle. This is the oldest part, built in 1117.

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The castle is the oldest in England to be continuously owned

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and occupied by the same family.

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We'll keep going up.

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Now a tourist attraction, it has played host to numerous battles,

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and was the site where King Edward II met his end.

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That's my wife with her dear hound.

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I wake up in the night screaming my head off,

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and my wife says, "What's the matter?" "Wind turbines," I say!

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That nearest hill on the escarpment is Stinchcombe Hill,

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and these wind turbines will be just this side,

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about half a mile from here, 350 feet high, four of them,

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and they'll show up like sore thumbs from here, of course.

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I think it's our duty to try and prevent them from coming,

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and if they do come, you can be quite certain, the applications will pour in for more,

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more and more and more, and this Vale will end up a moonscape,

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nothing but whirling dervishes, as I call them, all down this vale.

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The turbines will be considered at the highest level of appeal -

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a public inquiry.

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The planning inspector is due to come to the area soon,

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and he has agreed to visit Berkeley Castle before he makes his decision.

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People living in this vale come here because of its beauty and quietness.

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It's an oasis, and if one can use one little

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bit of influence one's got to prevent these things happening, so be it.

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Every year, planners deal with over 200,000 applications for home improvements.

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In Winsford in Cheshire, Steve and Juliette Yates

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are in the process of settling into their new home.

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There wasn't a great deal that needed doing.

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It's not like it needs extending or anything.

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We just like the space, you know.

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And I like this big lounge,

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front to back, plenty of space for all the family.

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The couple traded in a small two-bedroom cottage for this

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detached townhouse at the end of the cul-de-sac.

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We paid 195,000 for it, for five beds.

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Sizable rooms and all.

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-Yeah, all the bedrooms are sort of double bedrooms.

-Yeah.

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The couple knew they had a bargain,

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but there was one major drawback.

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This is why it was so cheap.

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The garden gets plenty of sun,

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but a large part of it is at the top of a 20-foot cliff.

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-Apparently, the builders advertised it as "gently sloping rear gardens", yeah?

-Yeah.

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The previous owners bought the house off plan and received

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compensation when they discovered the true nature of "gently sloping".

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Steve and Juliette weren't put off when they viewed.

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They had a solution.

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Me being the builder I am, I set to work and I built the staircase.

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We like to have barbecues, we like to have parties,

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and I just want to attack this and get it done and make it neat.

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Joiner Steve has completed half of the two-flight staircase to

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connect the house to the upper garden.

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But he's had to down tools.

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We had a letter from the local borough, telling us to stop work.

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We've been told, because of the height of the structure,

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we need to go down the planning route.

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On this new estate,

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the original planning permission made it clear that any

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structures around the houses would need separate permissions.

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Planner Phil Davis is considering the Yateses' staircase.

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With this particular development, everything that people

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do on these properties now requires planning permission.

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That comes from small extensions, even the

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hardstandings on the properties. Any additional ones, those

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also require planning permission. So they're quite restricted, really.

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Hi, Mr Yates.

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-We'll take a few photographs and see the impact of it...

-Be my guest.

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..on your neighbours, and then I'll be gone. All right, then? Thank you.

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Phil needs to see if the staircase is overlooking any of the neighbours.

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I'm not asking for an extension. I'm just trying to get the place tidied up.

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This would have been done now.

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You cannot see into the neighbour's dwelling, which is the main thing.

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Had it been a situation whereby you could get clear views

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into the kitchen and lounges and bedrooms,

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well then, realistically, this would be a problem then.

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Whoa! Got me at the end.

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The next stage is for letters to be sent out to

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everyone in the close to see if they have any objections.

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If we don't get planning permission,

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I just need to go back to the council and ask them what can

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they suggest for me to be able to tend my garden to make it look nice.

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I'm hoping it's going to be OK. Obviously, the neighbours may

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have their concerns about it. We've got quite a long way to go yet, yeah, yeah.

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As towns and cities grow, the surrounding agricultural land

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becomes a prized target for developers.

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On the edge of Cheltenham, tenant farmer Peter Newth rents Starvehall Farm,

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a 30-acre plot which he uses to graze his herd of Dexter cattle.

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Come on, then!

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Come on, then!

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There's two calves born this week.

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They don't mind the weather.

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They don't eat a lot of feed, they're quite a natural grazer,

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and that all ends up in the beef,

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which you can actually taste the flavours in.

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The farm is surrounded by housing,

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and is an obvious site for developers.

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If planning permission is given for building,

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the value of farmers' fields can increase tenfold.

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The lie of the land is changing.

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I used to work for an abattoir called FMC in Cheltenham.

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That used to keep me in quite a bit of work,

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and Gloucester Market used to keep me in a bit of work,

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but now FMC is Waitrose, and Gloucester Market's B&Q.

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The nation's planners are under pressure to permit enough new

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housing to cope with a growing population.

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If they don't hit their target for new homes,

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developers can push for more land to be released for building.

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We have very little land that's available for development.

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If you look at the map of Cheltenham, it's pretty well

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full of either developed land or commitments.

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So a site like Starvehall Farm does stand out as being the next

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site to look at.

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The land at Starvehall Farm is one of the largest remaining green field

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sites in Cheltenham.

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Gloucestershire County Council own the land,

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and following budget cuts, they plan to sell the whole site.

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It will be up to the planners who work independently

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at Cheltenham Borough Council to decide whether or not the land is suitable for development.

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When I first came to Cheltenham, I came across Starvehall Farm and I thought how unusual it was

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to find a farm in a suburb of a town like this - it was quite remarkable.

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It's a long-term survival from the time when the County Council

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invested in farmland and let it to tenants, I think probably

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early in the 20th century, and it just hasn't been developed.

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Despite local opposition,

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the County Council have instructed a team of architects to design

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a housing estate to be built at Starvehall Farm.

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If the planners allow the development,

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the architects estimate the land would be worth £50 million.

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This drawing shows a master plan for the site, for Cheltenham.

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380 separate dwellings is a large scheme,

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we haven't had anything of that size for some years.

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The scheme has already attracted hundreds of objections from

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local residents, who don't want to see the green fields concreted over.

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I can't imagine that you could allocate places in Cheltenham

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where it could expand without having people saying,

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"Well, we don't think that's the right place - put it somewhere else."

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The farmer's submitted an objection, he objects to the loss of his farm.

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Obviously, it's his livelihood, he is actively farming it at the

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moment. That's a consideration, it will go into the balance.

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We feel as planning officers that this is a suitable site for housing.

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It's also a suitable site for farming,

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but housing is rising above farming in terms of priority.

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Whilst Rob believes the site to be suitable for building,

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he will not make the final decision.

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He has to put his recommendation to the planning committee,

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made up of local councillors.

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One of the longest-serving members is Barbara Driver.

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That was when I was mayor, and I did, in the arcade in town, I did

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a Cheltenham's top talent for my Mayor's charities, and we hired a Del Boy lookalike,

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and he wanted to swap one of his watches for the Mayor's chain.

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Sitting on the planning committee is a more serious business.

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With land in such low supply in Cheltenham, there is pressure

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to approve unpopular applications in order to hit housing targets.

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Cheltenham last year grew by 5,500 people.

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They've got to live somewhere.

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I don't want to see building on the green belt,

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but where are we going to put people?

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Where are they going to live?

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You've got to balance it between what we all like at the moment

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and what the world is coming to.

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If Barbara and her colleagues allow the housing estate

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when they meet in a few weeks' time, then tenant farmer Pete won't

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just lose his land, he'll lose his home too.

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It's my livelihood, it's 40 years of my life, so I'd be sad to see it go.

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I feel very vulnerable now,

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not knowing where I'm going to be this time next year.

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In the Berkeley Vale in Gloucestershire, the proposal

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to erect four wind turbines has been stalled by local opposition.

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It's not the first time that residents have fought this battle -

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the initial application was turned down two years ago,

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but now green energy developer Dale Vince has appealed.

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Planner Phil Skill has to compile a report

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and refer the case to the planning inspector.

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This is one of the views that is going to be

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critical for the enquiry and the inspector.

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He's looking at the views here

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and across the estuary.

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Morning, gentlemen.

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Hi.

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-Enjoying the view?

-Yes.

-Good.

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As you can see, it's looking out over the Forest of Dean and Wales in the far distance.

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And that's what the inspector's being asked to look at to see whether or not

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he believes that is harmful to the AONB, the Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty

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which we are stood in, but the wind turbines are just outside of.

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The application is of particular concern to wind farm objectors Russ and Jill Holloway,

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who live just half a mile from the proposed wind farm site.

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The setting sun would be going down

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immediately behind these turbines.

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If they're moving - setting sun, flicker -

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it's just going to destroy all the beauty of those sunsets.

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Anybody with a slight mental instability -

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my family claim I'm going that way -

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I feel I could well be one of the first to be affected by the flicker.

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Since learning about the appeal,

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their campaign group have raised more than £10,000

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to pay for a lawyer to take on the turbines.

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We'll certainly fight this to the end. We're not going to give up now.

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We'll just carry on until we win.

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With the planning inspector due to visit the area in just

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a week's time, Russ and Jill's anti-wind farm

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group are preparing for battle.

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Dale can afford a team of specialist lawyers to work on his behalf,

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so he's putting some of his energies into his very own football club.

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Whilst Abramovich bankrolls Chelsea through gas and oil,

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alternative energy has paid for Forest Green Rovers,

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and what could be the world's first organic pitch.

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After nearly 20 years of trying to build windmills

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and having those same old tired arguments

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over and over again, it's been fantastic

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to be involved in something so completely different. It's like the old adage,

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a change is as good as a rest. This has been a big change and a big rest.

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As the wind farm proposal is at the appeal stage, the inspector will

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have the final say as to whether Dale's turbines can be built.

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The objectors are preparing for his arrival.

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Andy and I and Jill have been round the route a couple of times

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seeing everybody and getting their permission to come onto their land, and if they're not

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going to be there, whether it will still be OK, and some of them positively wanted to really

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say something to the inspector. I'm not sure whether they can or not, but he probably won't want to hear

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what they want to say, but he might have a job to stop some of them.

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If the inspector allows the wind farm,

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then the electricity generated could make millions for Dale.

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So he's invested a lot in the appeal.

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I think we probably spent a couple of hundred thousand pounds

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in the run up to the appeal,

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and I imagine the appeal is costing 100, £150,000, something like that.

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It's not cheap, it's not quick, um...but there it is.

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We're very confident that it's a good place to do it,

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that it will stand any scrutiny in terms of its potential impact on its neighbours,

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and very strongly, if the views are that

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if we can't build the wind turbines here at Berkeley Vale,

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there isn't anywhere in Gloucestershire where we could build them.

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As far as I'm aware, there's only two or three households that are not with us on this one.

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Mr Vince wants to be a good neighbour to us all,

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and if he's not a good neighbour, he'll walk away.

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But he can see there's a lot of good neighbours here who would like him to walk away.

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It's not uncommon for people who are against wind energy to -

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using a football metaphor - play the man and not the ball.

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The ball is the issue -

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does wind energy work? Do we need it? Is climate change real?

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The man is Ecotricity or me, so people will say, "Yeah, they're only in it for the money,"

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and this, that and the other. That's playing the man, not the ball.

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He's a very clever marketeer and he's putting forward the green credentials.

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But there is a lot of money in wind turbines.

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The arguments will be played out in front of the inspector,

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who will decide the fate of the wind farm.

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In Winsford in Cheshire, the staircase that could connect

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Steve and Juliette Yates' house with their elevated garden is on hold.

0:22:220:22:29

Tools are on the floor there, waiting.

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-21st of August.

-When it happens.

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Sheds and other structures need planning

0:22:360:22:38

permission on the estate, which is built in a former quarry.

0:22:380:22:43

"Installation of stairway, rear access." Ah! Public comments.

0:22:430:22:48

Oh, here we go.

0:22:480:22:50

Neighbours have had a chance to see the plans online,

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and some of them aren't happy.

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There was a couple of guys up there, I think, and then suddenly, that appeared,

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and with our neighbours, we decided we'd actually put in a objection.

0:23:020:23:08

You know, if they grant permission on that,

0:23:080:23:11

it'll be setting a precedent for the site.

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All sorts of structures could appear around the perimeter of this quarry.

0:23:130:23:18

I'm sure the council will ask them

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to take it down. I think there'll be an enforcement order on that.

0:23:200:23:24

"I asked the council to have the structures removed immediately.

0:23:240:23:29

"Aesthetic look of the whole road, it's my back garden."

0:23:290:23:35

David knows all too well what is and isn't allowed on the estate.

0:23:350:23:41

When he bought his house, there was an unauthorised

0:23:410:23:44

wall in the back garden.

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The wall was that high, right the way along here.

0:23:460:23:50

I knew there was an enforcement order on the property when I bought it and we had to take the wall down.

0:23:500:23:56

You have to be careful with your structures here.

0:23:560:24:01

Silly...just...yeah, pen to paper. Nothing better to do.

0:24:010:24:08

Two other neighbours have also written to planner Phil Davis

0:24:080:24:11

objecting to the plans.

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But their opinions won't necessarily be a reason for the stairs to

0:24:130:24:16

be taken down.

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If one person writes in with a very valid concern and we believe that

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to be an unacceptable compromise, we would refuse the application.

0:24:240:24:29

If 100 people or 1,000 people wrote in with reasons

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that were not real valid concerns in a planning application, then that

0:24:330:24:36

application would still get approved.

0:24:360:24:38

It's not really the volume that matters.

0:24:380:24:41

If we believe a property is compromised by what someone

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is going to do, and we thought that compromise was unacceptable,

0:24:450:24:49

we would still refuse it even if no-one wrote in about it.

0:24:490:24:55

The Yateses' planning application has so far cost them £300,

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and three months without access to their elevated garden.

0:24:590:25:05

Phil has now made his decision.

0:25:050:25:08

"Grants permission for the above development to be carried out."

0:25:100:25:14

Oh, that's good.

0:25:140:25:17

Brilliant!

0:25:170:25:18

Party!

0:25:180:25:20

The planners have ruled the stairs won't mean the neighbours

0:25:200:25:23

lose their privacy.

0:25:230:25:24

All that's been approved up there is just that staircase. I mean, if, in the future, they were

0:25:240:25:30

to come back wanting sheds, decking, or other structures up there,

0:25:300:25:36

they would have to apply for planning permission for those.

0:25:360:25:39

The Yateses will finally be able to complete their stairs and reach the garden.

0:25:390:25:44

They've complained, I've gone through the planning permission

0:25:440:25:47

and the decision's now been made, so...

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And I win, that's all I can say - I win.

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-Yeah. I'll sharpen my chisels!

-SHE LAUGHS

0:25:530:25:56

When buildings are used for both commercial

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and residential purposes, it falls to the planners to strike a balance

0:26:100:26:13

between protecting the residents, and allowing business to thrive.

0:26:130:26:18

In Portobello, near Edinburgh, the promenade's newest block is home

0:26:190:26:23

to nine modern apartments, and just one business, the Beach House Cafe.

0:26:230:26:28

We came into this business

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not having a clue about what we were doing,

0:26:320:26:34

never having done anything like it before,

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and this is the result.

0:26:360:26:38

We have returning customers, which is the best kind of customer. They like the coffee, they like the food.

0:26:390:26:45

Our heart and soul is in the cafe

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and we put everything we can to make it right.

0:26:480:26:51

Now Jonathan has bought the flat next door,

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as he plans to extend his cafe.

0:26:550:26:57

There is potential to increase our turnover, quite significantly.

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There are an awful lot of people here and we feel we can do a better job

0:27:030:27:07

if we've got a bigger cafe, more staff, more equipment and everything else.

0:27:070:27:13

It will be up to planner Paul Devaney to assess

0:27:170:27:19

whether the cafe's expansion plans are acceptable.

0:27:190:27:23

The blue line shows the existing extent of the premises

0:27:230:27:27

in terms of the covers, the servery area and the toilet facilities.

0:27:270:27:32

The proposal would involve knocking through into this area

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which is outlined in red,

0:27:350:27:37

which is round the existing flat which would be incorporated in,

0:27:370:27:41

to form an extended area,

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and that would give additional seating, as we can see here.

0:27:430:27:46

It's pretty much doubling the footprint of the existing cafe.

0:27:460:27:51

The planners have to judge the impact that the expansion

0:27:520:27:55

will have on the other residents in the block, and above the cafe,

0:27:550:27:59

the modern apartments are home to some very house-proud residents.

0:27:590:28:04

Edinburgh has many, many flats of this size that we could have

0:28:040:28:08

moved to, but they don't have a view like this.

0:28:080:28:11

It's definitely a million-pound view, I think, that you never tire of.

0:28:110:28:16

-Well, this is Helen.

-And that's Morna.

0:28:160:28:19

We sometimes give people a terrible shock,

0:28:190:28:23

because they don't know there's two of us.

0:28:230:28:25

We don't always dress alike

0:28:250:28:26

but if we happen to like the same thing, we buy it.

0:28:260:28:29

Might be a different colour of the same style,

0:28:290:28:32

but if we like it, we buy it.

0:28:320:28:35

All the residents have received copies of the cafe's proposal, and

0:28:350:28:38

the Mulgary twins are particularly concerned about the plans.

0:28:380:28:43

We were imagining it was going to be a bigger cafe as it stands now,

0:28:430:28:47

same sort of thing. Exactly the same sort of thing.

0:28:470:28:50

But when you look at the plans, we see something different.

0:28:500:28:54

As the cafe is in a residential block,

0:28:540:28:58

they can only offer a limited range of food,

0:28:580:29:00

because smells from cooking could disturb their neighbours.

0:29:000:29:04

The restriction means they can't take full advantage

0:29:040:29:07

of their prime location on the promenade,

0:29:070:29:10

but to cook their own food, they'll need a ventilation system.

0:29:100:29:14

This element of the proposal involves the formation of two

0:29:140:29:18

stainless steel flues, which will run up this end elevation of the building

0:29:180:29:24

and go through the parapet, so that they're about 900 mill above the roof level.

0:29:240:29:30

Unless the cafe is allowed to expand

0:29:300:29:32

and start cooking their own food, their business can't grow.

0:29:320:29:36

But all the residents in the block have objected to their plan,

0:29:360:29:39

and leading the protests are the Mulgary twins.

0:29:390:29:43

Portobello is a conservation area,

0:29:430:29:45

-and this building is sort of 21st century.

-22nd century!

0:29:450:29:49

Not 19th century! And the feature of it is that it has no pipes.

0:29:490:29:54

Given the number of objections, where there are more than six,

0:29:540:29:58

it means the matter will now have to be referred to a committee.

0:29:580:30:02

'We're worried, because this chimney thing is going to be within

0:30:040:30:08

'18 inches of the bedroom windows.'

0:30:080:30:11

After studying the application, the twins have used silver foil

0:30:110:30:15

and their craft skills to show the position of the proposed flues.

0:30:150:30:19

I don't think this is quite to scale.

0:30:190:30:21

It might be a little bit broader.

0:30:210:30:23

Our building is going to be definitely spoiled by this thing

0:30:230:30:28

that is going to suddenly appear like some wart on a beautiful face.

0:30:280:30:34

In Cheltenham, the planners have received an application to develop

0:30:410:30:45

the town's last remaining farm into a new housing estate.

0:30:450:30:49

Peter Newth has lived at Starvehall Farm for almost 40 years,

0:30:530:30:58

but since the planning application went in,

0:30:580:31:01

he's had to start looking for a new home.

0:31:010:31:03

These are only about three weeks old, they're still on the milk.

0:31:030:31:08

The county council have no obligation to find him

0:31:120:31:14

alternative farmland, but fortunately,

0:31:140:31:17

they do have one other farm that is currently available.

0:31:170:31:20

So it's 88 acres of mainly pasture,

0:31:210:31:26

but it is advertised as a mixed farm.

0:31:260:31:29

I've got to do something now to sort of make things happen.

0:31:310:31:35

If I don't do anything, I don't think anything is going to happen.

0:31:350:31:39

It'll just be, end of the lease, goodbye.

0:31:390:31:42

The proposed housing estate is so large that it wouldn't just

0:31:460:31:50

take up the land at Starvehall Farm, it would also mean building on

0:31:500:31:54

part of the adjoining recreation ground, much to the dismay

0:31:540:31:57

of the local dog walkers.

0:31:570:31:59

He's Tokky, he's seven years old,

0:31:590:32:02

and he's Zeus, King of the Gods.

0:32:020:32:05

And he's six months old.

0:32:050:32:08

Of course they love coming over here playing, and there's regular people.

0:32:080:32:13

Some go round in a group, it almost looks like Crufts sometimes.

0:32:130:32:17

-This is Monty.

-And this is his favourite field.

0:32:170:32:20

We know when there's a new dog in the field.

0:32:200:32:22

We've used it daily, but now we're going to lose all that,

0:32:220:32:25

should the permission be granted.

0:32:250:32:28

We are short of areas like this to just let the dogs

0:32:280:32:31

run around, and it is nice to have it on your doorstep.

0:32:310:32:34

So it would be a shame to build on here, really.

0:32:340:32:37

The proposal to build on the recreation ground next

0:32:370:32:40

to the farm has riled local residents,

0:32:400:32:42

and more than 500 people have lodged their objections with the planners.

0:32:420:32:47

Taking on their fight is local councillor, Dave Prince.

0:32:470:32:51

Local residents know, and I, as their local representative,

0:32:510:32:55

we need houses.

0:32:550:32:56

The area needs houses, the town needs houses.

0:32:560:32:59

So I'm not in the camp that, "We don't want development."

0:32:590:33:01

While Dave is fighting for the recreation ground,

0:33:010:33:04

he accepts the farm may go.

0:33:040:33:06

Pete, unfortunately, will lose his farm

0:33:070:33:10

if Starvehall Farm is built on. We sympathise with him, and you can

0:33:100:33:14

see now, he's got horses in his field.

0:33:140:33:16

Unfortunately, there will be casualties along the way.

0:33:160:33:20

What we've got to do is to minimise these casualties.

0:33:200:33:22

And we don't want this built on. To us, that would be the casualty.

0:33:220:33:26

It doesn't build itself, green, open space, it's here.

0:33:270:33:30

You build on it, it's gone.

0:33:300:33:32

Everywhere is open, the only thing I would say,

0:33:340:33:37

when you go into the workshop, at the end, if you use the side door.

0:33:370:33:40

The front doors are locked. But go have a mooch and come back with any questions.

0:33:400:33:43

Thank you.

0:33:430:33:45

On the other side of the county, Pete is assessing the new farm,

0:33:450:33:50

to see if it would be suitable for his animals.

0:33:500:33:52

I see a considerably good sized field. I think this is the boundary.

0:33:530:33:58

There's a map here, isn't there?

0:33:590:34:02

With a shortage of agricultural land available to tenants,

0:34:020:34:05

Pete is not the only one interested.

0:34:050:34:08

More than 50 other farmers have come to look around. The farm will

0:34:100:34:14

go to the applicant who scores highest on the council's list

0:34:140:34:17

of criteria, and 52-year-old Pete is not confident about his chances.

0:34:170:34:23

I'll probably score very low on the points thing, cos of my age

0:34:270:34:32

and my lack of agricultural education through colleges.

0:34:320:34:37

I've never been to agricultural college because my father taught me

0:34:370:34:42

all I need to know about farming. It's in your blood, basically.

0:34:420:34:46

But it's got to be done fairly, and if there's a 30-year-old that's

0:34:470:34:51

put a lot of work and time and effort into it, and I come along,

0:34:510:34:55

if I was on the judging panels, I wouldn't give it to a 52-year-old

0:34:550:34:59

over a 30-year-old.

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But something will turn up, I'm sure of it. Something will happen.

0:35:030:35:08

The application for the housing estate will be considered

0:35:120:35:15

by the planning committee in a few days' time.

0:35:150:35:18

Ahead of the meeting, head planner Rob Lindsey has to publish

0:35:180:35:21

his team's recommendation.

0:35:210:35:24

The officers are happy with the application as it stands,

0:35:240:35:28

and that's why we're recommending approval.

0:35:280:35:30

There are hundreds of objections to the scheme on all sorts

0:35:300:35:34

of different subjects.

0:35:340:35:36

It has stirred the emotions of the local community,

0:35:370:35:40

and what has stirred it more than most is that they're being ignored.

0:35:400:35:44

By putting these invitations through people's letter boxes,

0:35:460:35:49

it is hoped to galvanise the local community,

0:35:490:35:51

not as they need much galvanising, because the local residents

0:35:510:35:55

are all concerned about what is going to happen.

0:35:550:35:58

And I'm sure on the day of the planning committee,

0:35:580:36:00

we'll have a good attendance there.

0:36:000:36:02

It will be a lively debate, I think.

0:36:020:36:04

We've had cases in the past where there's been cheering and booing

0:36:040:36:08

and placards being waved in the public gallery.

0:36:080:36:11

So, it could be lively.

0:36:110:36:12

What we hope from filling the chamber with local residents

0:36:130:36:18

is that it may well put a little bit of pressure on some

0:36:180:36:21

of the planning committee members to think long and hard

0:36:210:36:26

about the way that they're voting,

0:36:260:36:27

and they're not just voting with the officer's recommendation.

0:36:270:36:31

The committee will meet in a few days' time,

0:36:310:36:34

to determine the application for the biggest new housing development

0:36:340:36:38

to hit Cheltenham for more than a decade.

0:36:380:36:41

In the Berkeley Vale, the fate of Gloucestershire's first wind farm

0:36:460:36:50

is now in the hands of one man - planning inspector, Richard Thomas.

0:36:500:36:55

Now, those houses down there are very similar, but I don't suggest

0:36:550:37:01

that we go down there, but we have arranged for you to view from here.

0:37:010:37:04

Local councillors rejected the application to erect

0:37:040:37:08

the turbines two years ago,

0:37:080:37:09

but the inspector has the power to overturn their decision.

0:37:090:37:13

Today, he will view the proposed site from dozens of different

0:37:150:37:18

locations, but whilst they're out and about,

0:37:180:37:21

no-one is allowed to lobby the inspector.

0:37:210:37:24

I'm here just to look.

0:37:270:37:28

If there's anything particular you want me to look at...

0:37:280:37:31

It's best to walk to the bottom...

0:37:310:37:32

Can I just ask you not to make any particular remarks in terms of

0:37:320:37:38

positive or negative, that's for the inquiry. I'm just here

0:37:380:37:42

to look today. If there's anything you want me to look at

0:37:420:37:45

in particular, please do so.

0:37:450:37:47

The tour of the area has been organised by the anti-wind farm group,

0:37:470:37:51

but as the process has to be impartial, representatives

0:37:510:37:54

from Dale's company, the council

0:37:540:37:57

and the Campaign to Protect Rural England have all come along

0:37:570:38:00

to make sure there's no lobbying.

0:38:000:38:02

The point is, Inspector, you're looking up. The turbine tops

0:38:020:38:07

are higher than where we are now.

0:38:070:38:09

They tend to be recessive...

0:38:090:38:10

-You're beginning to give evidence.

-Yeah.

0:38:100:38:12

-Well, it's not evidence...

-Point made, then.

0:38:120:38:14

If there's anything you want me to look at in particular,

0:38:170:38:20

-otherwise...

-Just the general vista and how it will be spoiled

0:38:200:38:24

-by the turbines, basically.

-Right.

0:38:240:38:26

I think they sort of run parallel along the side of our property...

0:38:260:38:30

It's difficult to see, isn't it?

0:38:300:38:32

I'm trying to get an indication of the impact

0:38:370:38:39

of the proposal on the view.

0:38:390:38:42

The appeal process is a little more familiar

0:38:480:38:51

to green energy entrepreneur, Dale.

0:38:510:38:53

Almost half of the 53 turbines he's built in the UK

0:38:530:38:57

were initially refused consent by the planners.

0:38:570:39:00

This is the first windmill that I built, 16 years old this year,

0:39:010:39:05

it's the first and still the only turbine in Gloucestershire. I used

0:39:050:39:09

to live just over there by the tree line in my trailer, with my little windmill.

0:39:090:39:13

Getting planning consent for this was quite a challenge,

0:39:130:39:16

it was very early, early '90s, wind energy was quite new,

0:39:160:39:19

seen as a bit fringy, a bit hippy, wasn't very well understood.

0:39:190:39:24

The local people that were against it claimed it would interfere

0:39:240:39:27

with TV signals, ruin house prices, everything but turn the milk sour.

0:39:270:39:32

Nearly 20 years later, we're facing the same

0:39:320:39:36

kind of crazy claims, when all people have to do is get in the car,

0:39:360:39:39

come up here, have a look and listen for themselves -

0:39:390:39:42

see how quiet these things are. Job done.

0:39:420:39:44

Despite Dale's confidence that his turbines will be good neighbours,

0:39:470:39:51

many local residents are determined to persuade

0:39:510:39:54

the inspector to say no to the wind farm.

0:39:540:39:57

-Hi, Russell.

-Objector Russ Holloway intends to take full advantage

0:39:580:40:02

of the inspector's visit.

0:40:020:40:04

Picked a nice day for it.

0:40:040:40:05

Yes, very lucky today. Very lucky indeed.

0:40:050:40:07

Who was this prepared by?

0:40:070:40:09

-Save Berkeley Vale.

-Right.

-It hasn't been objected to...

0:40:090:40:12

Just to give you the perspective.

0:40:120:40:14

Sorry, it's not part of the evidence that's before me,

0:40:140:40:17

-so I can't listen to fresh evidence.

-Just to give you a perspective

0:40:170:40:19

-of where they're going to be.

-Fine. I'll rely on the evidence

0:40:190:40:22

that's been put before the inquiry, I think.

0:40:220:40:25

Thank you very much anyway.

0:40:250:40:26

He didn't want to look at our photo.

0:40:300:40:32

-No, well, that's evidence, isn't it?

-Yes.

0:40:320:40:34

There were a lot more that wanted to be visited

0:40:340:40:36

that we couldn't fit in with the timescale.

0:40:360:40:39

-Had to be...

-They're running late now,

0:40:390:40:41

and it's probably going to get later as time goes on, particularly

0:40:410:40:45

if they are going to go on the battlements of Berkeley Castle.

0:40:450:40:48

We had this whole problem in the 1960s.

0:40:490:40:53

The Central Electricity Generating Board wanted to put up

0:40:530:40:58

a line of pylons.

0:40:580:41:00

And my father and I took it to the House of Lords and we won the day.

0:41:010:41:05

We shouldn't have things like this in this vale.

0:41:050:41:09

I don't know how he's planning this, but I shall probably have words

0:41:120:41:17

with him about my views on these particular wind turbines.

0:41:170:41:22

Right.

0:41:230:41:25

This will give you some idea of how high we are.

0:41:290:41:33

I mean, the blades of the turbine will...

0:41:340:41:39

be above the skyline.

0:41:390:41:40

Mm.

0:41:400:41:41

Mm.

0:41:430:41:44

It's quite spectacular.

0:41:450:41:48

Amazing.

0:41:480:41:50

-It's interesting, in the 1960s...

-Would...

-I'm sorry.

0:41:500:41:54

Sorry, I was just going to say,

0:41:540:41:56

I can't listen to any fresh evidence...

0:41:560:41:58

No, no, I know. No, no. You can't, I know!

0:41:580:42:02

Well, um...

0:42:020:42:03

Can we offer you a cup of coffee or something? It's not bribery!

0:42:030:42:07

But to help you on your way.

0:42:070:42:09

We've just had lunch, thank you, we're just on our way now.

0:42:090:42:12

The inspector will now have to consider the case made by lawyers

0:42:140:42:17

from both sides, before delivering his verdict.

0:42:170:42:21

We'll win the battle, we always won our battles as a family

0:42:210:42:25

and we'll win this one.

0:42:250:42:26

On the Edinburgh coastline,

0:42:360:42:38

the Beach House Cafe's application to extend the premises and install

0:42:380:42:42

a new ventilation system has caused quite a stir with the neighbours.

0:42:420:42:46

As everyone who lives in the block has objected,

0:42:490:42:52

the Edinburgh planning committee have been drafted in to adjudicate.

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Made up of councillors from a range of backgrounds,

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including an electrician and a retired air stewardess,

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they have the power to make or break applications.

0:43:020:43:05

They bring all the cakes and soups and things in

0:43:050:43:08

and have them delivered.

0:43:080:43:09

-They don't cook on the premises?

-No, they've got restricted cooking.

0:43:090:43:13

They don't have a flue at present

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so they need that to be able to do the full range of cooking.

0:43:140:43:18

The committee are due to hold a public meeting,

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where they will consider the concerns of the cafe's neighbours.

0:43:220:43:26

If they allow the expansion, the cafe owners will be able to employ

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more people, and offer a wider range of food to their customers.

0:43:300:43:34

So there will actually be two slim metal flues,

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to try and reduce the impact, cos obviously you don't really want

0:43:380:43:43

a huge flue going up the building.

0:43:430:43:45

We need businesses like this in Portobello, that's the balancing act, isn't it?

0:43:470:43:52

Portobello will just crumble if we don't have businesses like this.

0:43:520:43:55

My main concern is the ventilation systems for the cooking facilities,

0:43:550:43:59

where that goes and how much impact that has on someone's living.

0:43:590:44:03

Upstairs on the second floor,

0:44:050:44:08

the Mulgary twins are preparing for the impending planning meeting.

0:44:080:44:12

They've abandoned their silver foil illustrations of the flues

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and have decided to make a full-scale replica.

0:44:180:44:20

We thought it would be a good idea to make a mock-up of the two tubes.

0:44:220:44:28

175mm. Because most people have no idea of what is proposed.

0:44:280:44:33

Downstairs, cafe owners Jonathan and his wife Sarah

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are preparing their side of the story for the committee.

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Whilst there are objectors from the flats upstairs and three or four

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neighbours from around about,

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we've in fact got 400 signatures and letters of support,

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which we'll be submitting to the councillors for tomorrow's meeting.

0:44:510:44:55

So if the diameter is that,

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the circumference will be, old school maths...

0:44:580:45:02

-Pi D.

-Pi D.

-But then we have to get the calculator.

0:45:020:45:05

Yes, calculator.

0:45:050:45:06

The objectors have been taking what we want to do

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and extrapolating it several times over.

0:45:100:45:13

We think they've chosen to lose the plot.

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One slim tube.

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THEY CHUCKLE

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At the planning hearing, the councillors will decide

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if the cafe extension can go ahead in the face of local objections.

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The planners have recommended approval,

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but the objectors will be given a chance to put their case.

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Ever prepared, the Mulgary twins have brought their props.

0:45:420:45:46

I'd like to make clear that my sister and I represent

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the view of all the residents in the flats above the cafe.

0:45:510:45:55

We have no objection to the cafe being extended

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with the present restrictions

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on cooking, but we do object to the type of cooking that requires

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an industrial flue to be attached to the building.

0:46:040:46:07

Two slim stainless steel tubes will not be conspicuous.

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That is the size of the tubes.

0:46:130:46:16

And it may well be, bigger tubes will be necessary.

0:46:160:46:20

We therefore ask that the subcommittee grant the application,

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but only with the present cooking restrictions.

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-MAN:

-Thanks very much.

0:46:290:46:30

After reading the reports and hearing from the twins,

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the committee agrees to allow the cafe to extend

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into the neighbouring flat.

0:46:390:46:40

OK, can I thank you very much for your contribution?

0:46:400:46:43

But then it comes to light that they are powerless to grant permission

0:46:430:46:47

for the ventilation flues. The exterior walls are jointly owned,

0:46:470:46:52

so for Jonathan and Sarah to install the flues, they'd need permission

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from all the other residents in the block.

0:46:560:46:59

The council subcommittee decided that the cafe would be restricted

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to the present type of cooking, and if they wanted to put the flue up,

0:47:080:47:13

they had to get our consent, which will never be given, of course.

0:47:130:47:17

Yes, as Lady Macbeth said, "That day will never come!"

0:47:170:47:21

They're going to allow us to grow the cafe,

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but within the current restrictions.

0:47:250:47:28

Back to microwaves and soups and bain-maries and the like.

0:47:280:47:32

We're happy we got an even better solution than we thought

0:47:320:47:35

we would get. This is better.

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And we're happy for Jonathan and Sarah too

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-because they can get on with their cafe.

-Yes.

0:47:390:47:41

So we're really quite happy.

0:47:410:47:43

We hope they see sense and don't try anything else.

0:47:430:47:46

-Happy families.

-Happy families.

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Yes.

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The application to build more than 300 houses on a farm and recreation

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ground in Cheltenham has been referred to the planning committee.

0:47:590:48:03

Are you going away for Christmas, Barbara?

0:48:030:48:05

-No, I'm going away for New Year.

-To America?

-California.

0:48:050:48:09

The elected councillors will have to decide

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if permission should be granted in the face of local opposition.

0:48:120:48:16

It's one of the biggest ones I can remember, and I've been on 13 years.

0:48:170:48:23

I don't know about you, but...

0:48:230:48:24

It is a very large planning application,

0:48:240:48:27

it's very, very controversial. We've got four speakers now,

0:48:270:48:30

we did have three. Three against and one in support -

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and guess who the one in support is? The applicant!

0:48:350:48:38

Unfortunately, in planning you're always going to upset somebody,

0:48:380:48:42

whether you say yes or no.

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With the planning meeting looming,

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Pete still doesn't have anywhere to move to.

0:48:490:48:52

He decided not to apply for the farm he recently viewed,

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fearing that he didn't stand a chance of getting the lease.

0:48:550:48:59

If permission is granted for building at Starvehall Farm

0:48:590:49:03

then Pete won't just lose his land, he'll lose his home too.

0:49:030:49:07

I've known it since 1976, I've farmed it with my father

0:49:080:49:13

and farmed it myself.

0:49:130:49:15

You get used to it, don't you, you know?

0:49:160:49:18

Since I might not have a farm,

0:49:180:49:21

I'll have to keep myself occupied somehow.

0:49:210:49:23

Despite the weather...

0:49:270:49:29

Oh, my wordy, wordy!

0:49:290:49:30

..planner Rob Lindsey wants the committee

0:49:300:49:33

to look at the site, as the original plans have been amended.

0:49:330:49:36

With so much opposition to the scheme,

0:49:370:49:40

the architects are now proposing to leave a small section

0:49:400:49:43

of the recreation ground as open space.

0:49:430:49:46

All we're going to look at is an imaginary line!

0:49:460:49:49

I hope it's worth it.

0:49:490:49:51

Right, could you stand there? Thank you.

0:49:510:49:54

As there are no markers pegged out on the field, Rob has come up

0:49:540:49:57

with an unorthodox method of demonstrating the new building line.

0:49:570:50:01

The two human pegs represent a line averaging that point there.

0:50:010:50:06

I've only seen one... Hang on, where's the other human peg?

0:50:060:50:09

-Down there.

-Down there?

0:50:090:50:10

-Oh, there! OK.

-Across the field.

0:50:100:50:14

Those two pegs represent a line between the corner of that house

0:50:140:50:17

and Rushy Mews, which is cutting that boundary there.

0:50:170:50:22

Right, I think that's all I need to show you here, if you've had enough?

0:50:220:50:26

Yes? THEY LAUGH

0:50:260:50:28

-Thank you.

-OK.

0:50:280:50:29

What we are doing is trying to strike a balance

0:50:290:50:32

between the objectors' interests and the interests of the developer.

0:50:320:50:36

And we feel that with some open space retained,

0:50:360:50:39

that it will be a viable proposal.

0:50:390:50:41

Whilst the dog walkers would get to use a smaller section

0:50:440:50:48

of open space, the entire farm will still be built on

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if planning is granted.

0:50:520:50:53

It would be nice to know what was happening.

0:50:530:50:56

I've got a lot of clearing up to do if I've got to get out from here.

0:50:560:50:59

And I've also got to earn a living at the same time.

0:50:590:51:03

But I believe there's a planning meeting tonight.

0:51:040:51:07

Everyone on the council is quite confident that it's going to go through.

0:51:070:51:11

But, er, we shall see.

0:51:120:51:15

Tonight, the planning committee will decide if the housing estate

0:51:260:51:30

that would replace Pete's farm, and most of the recreation ground,

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is acceptable.

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The first application is for land at Starvehall Farm.

0:51:450:51:49

First speaker is Colonel Bob Stark, in opposition to the application.

0:51:500:51:56

We welcome the change to this application,

0:51:560:51:59

but two major issues remain.

0:51:590:52:01

It's a very big application for Cheltenham,

0:52:010:52:04

it's the biggest we've had for 15 years or so in terms of

0:52:040:52:08

the number of houses proposed at once and the issues being thrown up

0:52:080:52:12

by the application.

0:52:120:52:13

The revised scheme hasn't actually tempered the opposition.

0:52:130:52:17

So, yeah, for Cheltenham it's massive.

0:52:170:52:20

We further request that you direct the applicant

0:52:200:52:23

to properly consult with our community

0:52:230:52:25

and return to your committee with revised designs that would

0:52:250:52:28

truly help Cheltenham meet its need for new housing. Thank you.

0:52:280:52:32

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:52:320:52:38

Can I please ask the gallery to refrain from any audible comment

0:52:440:52:51

or applause? We understand your concerns about this development,

0:52:510:52:57

it's amply demonstrated by the number of people that are here.

0:52:570:53:01

And I'm afraid that if it happens again, I will have to call for

0:53:010:53:05

the gallery to be cleared. LAUGHTER

0:53:050:53:08

I now open it up to debate by members.

0:53:110:53:15

Thank you, Madam Chair.

0:53:150:53:17

This site was identified by the borough council as being

0:53:170:53:22

the sixth most important amenity site

0:53:220:53:25

out of 119 around Cheltenham

0:53:250:53:28

and should be given appropriate protection.

0:53:280:53:31

Now we're told it's not required and suitable for development.

0:53:310:53:35

It is not just nimbyism -

0:53:350:53:38

a lot of people from outside the area are saying, "Save this."

0:53:380:53:42

We as councillors have been given a responsibility to take some

0:53:440:53:48

unpalatable decisions, especially over housing for our children

0:53:480:53:52

and especially over affordable housing.

0:53:520:53:55

If we are going to protect the green belt,

0:53:550:53:57

we are unfortunately going to have to look at sites like this.

0:53:570:54:01

No other members indicating, so we'll go to the vote.

0:54:020:54:05

All those in favour of refusal...

0:54:060:54:08

-Four.

-That is four.

0:54:110:54:13

All those against refusal...

0:54:130:54:15

-Ten.

-That's ten.

0:54:210:54:23

That is approved.

0:54:250:54:27

The successful application means that whilst a small section

0:54:300:54:34

of the recreation land will be kept,

0:54:340:54:36

the whole of Starvehall Farm will be lost to the new estate.

0:54:360:54:40

CHATTERING

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It's the end of the road for me. Complete end of the road for me.

0:54:440:54:48

I think it was done for financial reasons, no other reason,

0:54:500:54:54

because the council are short of money.

0:54:540:54:56

Changing from an agricultural use to suburban development

0:54:560:55:01

is very radical indeed.

0:55:010:55:03

And it's very sad for him at a personal level.

0:55:030:55:06

It's part of what happens in towns as they develop,

0:55:060:55:10

changes do take place, don't they? Some of them quite far-reaching.

0:55:100:55:14

Sometimes you feel a bit frustrated that people are cross

0:55:140:55:19

with the decision that you've helped make.

0:55:190:55:22

I'm sorry about it,

0:55:220:55:24

but you've got to keep it in your mind

0:55:240:55:27

you're trying to do your best for Cheltenham and the community.

0:55:270:55:30

In Berkley Vale, the planning inspector's decision

0:55:380:55:41

on the wind turbines is due.

0:55:410:55:42

Green entrepreneur, Dale Vince, appealed against the planners'

0:55:420:55:46

original refusal. Local residents Russ and Jill Holloway

0:55:460:55:50

are hoping it'll be dismissed.

0:55:500:55:52

I've got an e-mail from the planning inspectorate.

0:55:550:55:58

And it just says, "Covering letter - I enclose the decision." I'm now...

0:55:590:56:03

Oh...

0:56:050:56:06

..opening on the decision.

0:56:060:56:09

Appeal...

0:56:170:56:19

"Decision - I dismiss the appeal."

0:56:200:56:22

Ahhh!

0:56:220:56:24

That means we've won.

0:56:260:56:28

That really does mean we've won.

0:56:280:56:30

Oh, gosh, that is fantastic.

0:56:340:56:38

Russ!

0:56:380:56:41

Do you want to know the result?

0:56:410:56:43

-Really?

-We've won!

-Oh!

0:56:440:56:46

-Fantastic. Well done.

-We've done it!

0:56:460:56:50

What a star. I must say, I reckon it's down to you.

0:56:500:56:53

Shall I go and put the flag up on the flagpole, with some bunting?

0:56:540:56:58

For Dale, the decision means the 15-year wait to build a wind farm

0:56:590:57:03

in his home county must continue.

0:57:030:57:06

We think it's a big missed opportunity for the people

0:57:060:57:08

of Stroud district.

0:57:080:57:10

Nearly 15% of homes could have been powered by this wind farm.

0:57:100:57:13

And at the same time, we've got to wonder

0:57:130:57:15

if this isn't down to a change in planning policy from the Government.

0:57:150:57:20

I think the inspector got the message,

0:57:220:57:24

when he went on the roof of the castle,

0:57:240:57:27

this wasn't the right place for wind turbines.

0:57:270:57:29

They may try elsewhere in the vale.

0:57:310:57:34

My only warning is that

0:57:340:57:37

I will fight anything that I think

0:57:370:57:40

will be obtrusive in this vale.

0:57:400:57:43

Anyway...

0:57:450:57:47

-Cheers, everybody. Well done to everybody, really.

-Cheers.

0:57:470:57:51

I would hope it was the end of it, but you never know with Dale Vince.

0:57:510:57:55

The energy crisis is going to bite us.

0:57:550:57:58

Within a few more years there will be another change in planning

0:57:580:58:02

policy for renewable energy and for windmills in England.

0:58:020:58:05

And, as Arnie said, we'll be back.

0:58:050:58:08

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