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Britain is a green and pleasant land - but for how long? | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
We're now getting to a situation where any site's worth putting a planning application in for. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
After the biggest shake-up of the planning system in 40 years, the | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
race is on to get Britain building. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
If I have a house here, I'm thinking about building a sort of Berlin Wall. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:23 | |
It's got to be at least six feet high. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
So constructors are making plans. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
Whoever designed that needs to be shot. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
Objectors are making noises. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
I've had e-bloody-nough of it with what we've got in this town for councillors | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
-and the load of -BLEEP -they're putting up. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
And neighbours are going to war. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
We always won our battles as a family, and we'll win this one. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
In the firing line, shaping the country of the future, are Britain's planners. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:49 | |
Nothing happens in the hall, yeah? | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
No? Yes? No? Yes? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:52 | |
Thank you for letting us visit. And we'll see you on Thursday. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
Another British planning cock-up, really. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
Over the last two decades, wind farms have | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
appeared on the landscape with increasing frequency, as a | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
result of the Government's drive to hit renewable energy targets. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:24 | |
With subsidies available to developers, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
applications go to the planners wherever the wind blows. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:32 | |
OK. Here we are. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
And in Berkeley Vale in Gloucestershire, former New Age traveller Dale Vince | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
has applied for permission to build the county's first wind farm. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
Of any given part of Britain, you find very few places where wind turbines can actually work. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:51 | |
Because there are so many constraints on windmills, it just rules out most of the land. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
At 120 metres, the proposed turbines will stand taller than Big Ben. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:05 | |
The first one will be in this field. It starts there, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
and it runs in a straight line of four, parallel to the railway line. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
They're very graceful, elegant structures. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
They coast around in the wind. They're actually wonderful | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
pieces of engineering, and almost pieces of art in the countryside. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:26 | |
But applications to build wind turbines are often | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
met by fierce local opposition, and it's the planners who get | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
caught in the middle of disputes that can last for years. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
These applications are really contentious when they come in. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
To some extent, I think my team think I'm picking on them | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
if I ask them to do one, you know, who's been the bad boy this week | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
gets the next wind turbine application. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:53 | |
I think to some extent what you've got to look at is beauty | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
is in the eye of the beholder. To some people, this is new | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
technology and new architecture, but to some other people the fact | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
that they rotate distracts the eye and takes away from the natural beauty, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:09 | |
and it depends on which direction you come from as to whether or not they're beautiful or hideous. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:15 | |
Applicant Dale Vince started his turbine business after | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
living in a caravan which he powered with a mini turbine. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
Since then, business has boomed, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
and his company is now the UK's biggest alternative energy | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
supplier, with a turnover of more than £46 million a year. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:36 | |
Dale Vince is a bit of a local legend. He's self-made, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:42 | |
he's taken over quite a lot of employment in the area, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
his main headquarters are here. He's probably one of the largest | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
employers in the area, so the community do know him. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
To say things about Dale, people know who Dale is. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
It's getting to be Madonna territory, where he's known by one name. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:02 | |
Dale's application to build Gloucestershire's first wind | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
farm has been in the system for two years. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
Rejected at first, Dale has now launched an appeal. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
If he wins, the turbines will be built less than a mile | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
away from the village of Stinchcombe. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
Now the residents have formed a campaign group to keep Dale | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
out of the Vale. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
It was claimed by Ecotricity and Dale Vince | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
that they had done a survey and they had found | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
that two thirds of people | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
in the area were quite happy about | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
turbines and would be perfectly happy to have them near them. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
So we wanted to demonstrate straight away, "Look, we're | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
"a village of 300 people. These people are prepared to turn out and to just demonstrate, | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
"hang on - you've got it wrong. This local community | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
"does not want two turbines, although you're trying to claim that two thirds of people do." | 0:04:51 | 0:04:59 | |
News of the appeal has spread further than Stinchcombe village hall. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
Leading the protests against the wind farm... | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
Morning. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
..is a man whose family have lived in the Vale for 900 years - Mr Berkeley of Berkeley Castle. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:15 | |
12th century, the castle. This is the oldest part, built in 1117. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:22 | |
The castle is the oldest in England to be continuously owned | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
and occupied by the same family. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
We'll keep going up. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Now a tourist attraction, it has played host to numerous battles, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
and was the site where King Edward II met his end. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
That's my wife with her dear hound. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
I wake up in the night screaming my head off, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
and my wife says, "What's the matter?" "Wind turbines," I say! | 0:05:47 | 0:05:54 | |
That nearest hill on the escarpment is Stinchcombe Hill, | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
and these wind turbines will be just this side, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
about half a mile from here, 350 feet high, four of them, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
and they'll show up like sore thumbs from here, of course. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:17 | |
I think it's our duty to try and prevent them from coming, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
and if they do come, you can be quite certain, the applications will pour in for more, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
more and more and more, and this Vale will end up a moonscape, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
nothing but whirling dervishes, as I call them, all down this vale. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:40 | |
The turbines will be considered at the highest level of appeal - | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
a public inquiry. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
The planning inspector is due to come to the area soon, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
and he has agreed to visit Berkeley Castle before he makes his decision. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
People living in this vale come here because of its beauty and quietness. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
It's an oasis, and if one can use one little | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
bit of influence one's got to prevent these things happening, so be it. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
Every year, planners deal with over 200,000 applications for home improvements. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:24 | |
In Winsford in Cheshire, Steve and Juliette Yates | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
are in the process of settling into their new home. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
There wasn't a great deal that needed doing. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
It's not like it needs extending or anything. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
We just like the space, you know. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
And I like this big lounge, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
front to back, plenty of space for all the family. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:47 | |
The couple traded in a small two-bedroom cottage for this | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
detached townhouse at the end of the cul-de-sac. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
We paid 195,000 for it, for five beds. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
Sizable rooms and all. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
-Yeah, all the bedrooms are sort of double bedrooms. -Yeah. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
The couple knew they had a bargain, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
but there was one major drawback. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
This is why it was so cheap. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
The garden gets plenty of sun, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
but a large part of it is at the top of a 20-foot cliff. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
-Apparently, the builders advertised it as "gently sloping rear gardens", yeah? -Yeah. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:28 | |
The previous owners bought the house off plan and received | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
compensation when they discovered the true nature of "gently sloping". | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
Steve and Juliette weren't put off when they viewed. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
They had a solution. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
Me being the builder I am, I set to work and I built the staircase. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
We like to have barbecues, we like to have parties, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
and I just want to attack this and get it done and make it neat. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
Joiner Steve has completed half of the two-flight staircase to | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
connect the house to the upper garden. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
But he's had to down tools. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
We had a letter from the local borough, telling us to stop work. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:12 | |
We've been told, because of the height of the structure, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
we need to go down the planning route. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
On this new estate, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
the original planning permission made it clear that any | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
structures around the houses would need separate permissions. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
Planner Phil Davis is considering the Yateses' staircase. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
With this particular development, everything that people | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
do on these properties now requires planning permission. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
That comes from small extensions, even the | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
hardstandings on the properties. Any additional ones, those | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
also require planning permission. So they're quite restricted, really. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
Hi, Mr Yates. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
-We'll take a few photographs and see the impact of it... -Be my guest. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
..on your neighbours, and then I'll be gone. All right, then? Thank you. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:03 | |
Phil needs to see if the staircase is overlooking any of the neighbours. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
I'm not asking for an extension. I'm just trying to get the place tidied up. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
This would have been done now. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
You cannot see into the neighbour's dwelling, which is the main thing. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Had it been a situation whereby you could get clear views | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
into the kitchen and lounges and bedrooms, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
well then, realistically, this would be a problem then. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
Whoa! Got me at the end. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
The next stage is for letters to be sent out to | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
everyone in the close to see if they have any objections. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
If we don't get planning permission, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
I just need to go back to the council and ask them what can | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
they suggest for me to be able to tend my garden to make it look nice. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:57 | |
I'm hoping it's going to be OK. Obviously, the neighbours may | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
have their concerns about it. We've got quite a long way to go yet, yeah, yeah. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
As towns and cities grow, the surrounding agricultural land | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
becomes a prized target for developers. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
On the edge of Cheltenham, tenant farmer Peter Newth rents Starvehall Farm, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
a 30-acre plot which he uses to graze his herd of Dexter cattle. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:42 | |
Come on, then! | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
Come on, then! | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
There's two calves born this week. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
They don't mind the weather. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
They don't eat a lot of feed, they're quite a natural grazer, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
and that all ends up in the beef, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
which you can actually taste the flavours in. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
The farm is surrounded by housing, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
and is an obvious site for developers. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
If planning permission is given for building, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
the value of farmers' fields can increase tenfold. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
The lie of the land is changing. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
I used to work for an abattoir called FMC in Cheltenham. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
That used to keep me in quite a bit of work, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
and Gloucester Market used to keep me in a bit of work, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
but now FMC is Waitrose, and Gloucester Market's B&Q. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:32 | |
The nation's planners are under pressure to permit enough new | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
housing to cope with a growing population. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
If they don't hit their target for new homes, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
developers can push for more land to be released for building. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
We have very little land that's available for development. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
If you look at the map of Cheltenham, it's pretty well | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
full of either developed land or commitments. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
So a site like Starvehall Farm does stand out as being the next | 0:13:04 | 0:13:09 | |
site to look at. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:10 | |
The land at Starvehall Farm is one of the largest remaining green field | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
sites in Cheltenham. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
Gloucestershire County Council own the land, | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
and following budget cuts, they plan to sell the whole site. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
It will be up to the planners who work independently | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
at Cheltenham Borough Council to decide whether or not the land is suitable for development. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
When I first came to Cheltenham, I came across Starvehall Farm and I thought how unusual it was | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
to find a farm in a suburb of a town like this - it was quite remarkable. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
It's a long-term survival from the time when the County Council | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
invested in farmland and let it to tenants, I think probably | 0:13:47 | 0:13:53 | |
early in the 20th century, and it just hasn't been developed. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
Despite local opposition, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
the County Council have instructed a team of architects to design | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
a housing estate to be built at Starvehall Farm. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
If the planners allow the development, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
the architects estimate the land would be worth £50 million. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
This drawing shows a master plan for the site, for Cheltenham. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:22 | |
380 separate dwellings is a large scheme, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
we haven't had anything of that size for some years. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
The scheme has already attracted hundreds of objections from | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
local residents, who don't want to see the green fields concreted over. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
I can't imagine that you could allocate places in Cheltenham | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
where it could expand without having people saying, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
"Well, we don't think that's the right place - put it somewhere else." | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
The farmer's submitted an objection, he objects to the loss of his farm. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
Obviously, it's his livelihood, he is actively farming it at the | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
moment. That's a consideration, it will go into the balance. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:00 | |
We feel as planning officers that this is a suitable site for housing. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
It's also a suitable site for farming, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
but housing is rising above farming in terms of priority. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:12 | |
Whilst Rob believes the site to be suitable for building, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
he will not make the final decision. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
He has to put his recommendation to the planning committee, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
made up of local councillors. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
One of the longest-serving members is Barbara Driver. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
That was when I was mayor, and I did, in the arcade in town, I did | 0:15:28 | 0:15:34 | |
a Cheltenham's top talent for my Mayor's charities, and we hired a Del Boy lookalike, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:40 | |
and he wanted to swap one of his watches for the Mayor's chain. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
Sitting on the planning committee is a more serious business. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
With land in such low supply in Cheltenham, there is pressure | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
to approve unpopular applications in order to hit housing targets. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
Cheltenham last year grew by 5,500 people. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
They've got to live somewhere. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
I don't want to see building on the green belt, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
but where are we going to put people? | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
Where are they going to live? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
You've got to balance it between what we all like at the moment | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
and what the world is coming to. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
If Barbara and her colleagues allow the housing estate | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
when they meet in a few weeks' time, then tenant farmer Pete won't | 0:16:24 | 0:16:29 | |
just lose his land, he'll lose his home too. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
It's my livelihood, it's 40 years of my life, so I'd be sad to see it go. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:39 | |
I feel very vulnerable now, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
not knowing where I'm going to be this time next year. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:46 | |
In the Berkeley Vale in Gloucestershire, the proposal | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
to erect four wind turbines has been stalled by local opposition. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
It's not the first time that residents have fought this battle - | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
the initial application was turned down two years ago, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
but now green energy developer Dale Vince has appealed. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:18 | |
Planner Phil Skill has to compile a report | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
and refer the case to the planning inspector. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
This is one of the views that is going to be | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
critical for the enquiry and the inspector. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
He's looking at the views here | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
and across the estuary. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
Morning, gentlemen. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
Hi. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:36 | |
-Enjoying the view? -Yes. -Good. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
As you can see, it's looking out over the Forest of Dean and Wales in the far distance. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
And that's what the inspector's being asked to look at to see whether or not | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
he believes that is harmful to the AONB, the Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty | 0:17:50 | 0:17:56 | |
which we are stood in, but the wind turbines are just outside of. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:02 | |
The application is of particular concern to wind farm objectors Russ and Jill Holloway, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:08 | |
who live just half a mile from the proposed wind farm site. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
The setting sun would be going down | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
immediately behind these turbines. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
If they're moving - setting sun, flicker - | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
it's just going to destroy all the beauty of those sunsets. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:30 | |
Anybody with a slight mental instability - | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
my family claim I'm going that way - | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
I feel I could well be one of the first to be affected by the flicker. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
Since learning about the appeal, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
their campaign group have raised more than £10,000 | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
to pay for a lawyer to take on the turbines. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
We'll certainly fight this to the end. We're not going to give up now. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
We'll just carry on until we win. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
With the planning inspector due to visit the area in just | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
a week's time, Russ and Jill's anti-wind farm | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
group are preparing for battle. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
Dale can afford a team of specialist lawyers to work on his behalf, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:12 | |
so he's putting some of his energies into his very own football club. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:18 | |
Whilst Abramovich bankrolls Chelsea through gas and oil, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
alternative energy has paid for Forest Green Rovers, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
and what could be the world's first organic pitch. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
After nearly 20 years of trying to build windmills | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
and having those same old tired arguments | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
over and over again, it's been fantastic | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
to be involved in something so completely different. It's like the old adage, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
a change is as good as a rest. This has been a big change and a big rest. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
As the wind farm proposal is at the appeal stage, the inspector will | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
have the final say as to whether Dale's turbines can be built. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
The objectors are preparing for his arrival. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
Andy and I and Jill have been round the route a couple of times | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
seeing everybody and getting their permission to come onto their land, and if they're not | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
going to be there, whether it will still be OK, and some of them positively wanted to really | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
say something to the inspector. I'm not sure whether they can or not, but he probably won't want to hear | 0:20:14 | 0:20:20 | |
what they want to say, but he might have a job to stop some of them. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
If the inspector allows the wind farm, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
then the electricity generated could make millions for Dale. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
So he's invested a lot in the appeal. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
I think we probably spent a couple of hundred thousand pounds | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
in the run up to the appeal, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
and I imagine the appeal is costing 100, £150,000, something like that. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
It's not cheap, it's not quick, um...but there it is. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:49 | |
We're very confident that it's a good place to do it, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
that it will stand any scrutiny in terms of its potential impact on its neighbours, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
and very strongly, if the views are that | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
if we can't build the wind turbines here at Berkeley Vale, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
there isn't anywhere in Gloucestershire where we could build them. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
As far as I'm aware, there's only two or three households that are not with us on this one. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:12 | |
Mr Vince wants to be a good neighbour to us all, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
and if he's not a good neighbour, he'll walk away. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
But he can see there's a lot of good neighbours here who would like him to walk away. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:26 | |
It's not uncommon for people who are against wind energy to - | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
using a football metaphor - play the man and not the ball. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
The ball is the issue - | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
does wind energy work? Do we need it? Is climate change real? | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
The man is Ecotricity or me, so people will say, "Yeah, they're only in it for the money," | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
and this, that and the other. That's playing the man, not the ball. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
He's a very clever marketeer and he's putting forward the green credentials. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:53 | |
But there is a lot of money in wind turbines. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
The arguments will be played out in front of the inspector, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
who will decide the fate of the wind farm. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
In Winsford in Cheshire, the staircase that could connect | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
Steve and Juliette Yates' house with their elevated garden is on hold. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:29 | |
Tools are on the floor there, waiting. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
-21st of August. -When it happens. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
Sheds and other structures need planning | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
permission on the estate, which is built in a former quarry. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
"Installation of stairway, rear access." Ah! Public comments. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
Oh, here we go. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
Neighbours have had a chance to see the plans online, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
and some of them aren't happy. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
There was a couple of guys up there, I think, and then suddenly, that appeared, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
and with our neighbours, we decided we'd actually put in a objection. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:08 | |
You know, if they grant permission on that, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
it'll be setting a precedent for the site. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
All sorts of structures could appear around the perimeter of this quarry. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:18 | |
I'm sure the council will ask them | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
to take it down. I think there'll be an enforcement order on that. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
"I asked the council to have the structures removed immediately. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
"Aesthetic look of the whole road, it's my back garden." | 0:23:29 | 0:23:35 | |
David knows all too well what is and isn't allowed on the estate. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:41 | |
When he bought his house, there was an unauthorised | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
wall in the back garden. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
The wall was that high, right the way along here. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
I knew there was an enforcement order on the property when I bought it and we had to take the wall down. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:56 | |
You have to be careful with your structures here. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
Silly...just...yeah, pen to paper. Nothing better to do. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:08 | |
Two other neighbours have also written to planner Phil Davis | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
objecting to the plans. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
But their opinions won't necessarily be a reason for the stairs to | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
be taken down. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
If one person writes in with a very valid concern and we believe that | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
to be an unacceptable compromise, we would refuse the application. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
If 100 people or 1,000 people wrote in with reasons | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
that were not real valid concerns in a planning application, then that | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
application would still get approved. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
It's not really the volume that matters. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
If we believe a property is compromised by what someone | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
is going to do, and we thought that compromise was unacceptable, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
we would still refuse it even if no-one wrote in about it. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
The Yateses' planning application has so far cost them £300, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
and three months without access to their elevated garden. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:05 | |
Phil has now made his decision. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
"Grants permission for the above development to be carried out." | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
Oh, that's good. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
Brilliant! | 0:25:17 | 0:25:18 | |
Party! | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
The planners have ruled the stairs won't mean the neighbours | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
lose their privacy. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:24 | |
All that's been approved up there is just that staircase. I mean, if, in the future, they were | 0:25:24 | 0:25:30 | |
to come back wanting sheds, decking, or other structures up there, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:36 | |
they would have to apply for planning permission for those. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
The Yateses will finally be able to complete their stairs and reach the garden. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
They've complained, I've gone through the planning permission | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
and the decision's now been made, so... | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
And I win, that's all I can say - I win. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
-Yeah. I'll sharpen my chisels! -SHE LAUGHS | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
When buildings are used for both commercial | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
and residential purposes, it falls to the planners to strike a balance | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
between protecting the residents, and allowing business to thrive. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
In Portobello, near Edinburgh, the promenade's newest block is home | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
to nine modern apartments, and just one business, the Beach House Cafe. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
We came into this business | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
not having a clue about what we were doing, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
never having done anything like it before, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
and this is the result. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
We have returning customers, which is the best kind of customer. They like the coffee, they like the food. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:45 | |
Our heart and soul is in the cafe | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
and we put everything we can to make it right. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Now Jonathan has bought the flat next door, | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
as he plans to extend his cafe. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
There is potential to increase our turnover, quite significantly. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
There are an awful lot of people here and we feel we can do a better job | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
if we've got a bigger cafe, more staff, more equipment and everything else. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:13 | |
It will be up to planner Paul Devaney to assess | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
whether the cafe's expansion plans are acceptable. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
The blue line shows the existing extent of the premises | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
in terms of the covers, the servery area and the toilet facilities. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
The proposal would involve knocking through into this area | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
which is outlined in red, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
which is round the existing flat which would be incorporated in, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
to form an extended area, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
and that would give additional seating, as we can see here. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
It's pretty much doubling the footprint of the existing cafe. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
The planners have to judge the impact that the expansion | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
will have on the other residents in the block, and above the cafe, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
the modern apartments are home to some very house-proud residents. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
Edinburgh has many, many flats of this size that we could have | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
moved to, but they don't have a view like this. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
It's definitely a million-pound view, I think, that you never tire of. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:16 | |
-Well, this is Helen. -And that's Morna. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
We sometimes give people a terrible shock, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
because they don't know there's two of us. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
We don't always dress alike | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
but if we happen to like the same thing, we buy it. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
Might be a different colour of the same style, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
but if we like it, we buy it. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
All the residents have received copies of the cafe's proposal, and | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
the Mulgary twins are particularly concerned about the plans. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
We were imagining it was going to be a bigger cafe as it stands now, | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
same sort of thing. Exactly the same sort of thing. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
But when you look at the plans, we see something different. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
As the cafe is in a residential block, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
they can only offer a limited range of food, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
because smells from cooking could disturb their neighbours. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:04 | |
The restriction means they can't take full advantage | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
of their prime location on the promenade, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
but to cook their own food, they'll need a ventilation system. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
This element of the proposal involves the formation of two | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
stainless steel flues, which will run up this end elevation of the building | 0:29:18 | 0:29:24 | |
and go through the parapet, so that they're about 900 mill above the roof level. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
Unless the cafe is allowed to expand | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
and start cooking their own food, their business can't grow. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
But all the residents in the block have objected to their plan, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
and leading the protests are the Mulgary twins. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
Portobello is a conservation area, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
-and this building is sort of 21st century. -22nd century! | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
Not 19th century! And the feature of it is that it has no pipes. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:54 | |
Given the number of objections, where there are more than six, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
it means the matter will now have to be referred to a committee. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
'We're worried, because this chimney thing is going to be within | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
'18 inches of the bedroom windows.' | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
After studying the application, the twins have used silver foil | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
and their craft skills to show the position of the proposed flues. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
I don't think this is quite to scale. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
It might be a little bit broader. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
Our building is going to be definitely spoiled by this thing | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
that is going to suddenly appear like some wart on a beautiful face. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:34 | |
In Cheltenham, the planners have received an application to develop | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
the town's last remaining farm into a new housing estate. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
Peter Newth has lived at Starvehall Farm for almost 40 years, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
but since the planning application went in, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
he's had to start looking for a new home. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
These are only about three weeks old, they're still on the milk. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:08 | |
The county council have no obligation to find him | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
alternative farmland, but fortunately, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
they do have one other farm that is currently available. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
So it's 88 acres of mainly pasture, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
but it is advertised as a mixed farm. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
I've got to do something now to sort of make things happen. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
If I don't do anything, I don't think anything is going to happen. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
It'll just be, end of the lease, goodbye. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
The proposed housing estate is so large that it wouldn't just | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
take up the land at Starvehall Farm, it would also mean building on | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
part of the adjoining recreation ground, much to the dismay | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
of the local dog walkers. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
He's Tokky, he's seven years old, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
and he's Zeus, King of the Gods. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
And he's six months old. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
Of course they love coming over here playing, and there's regular people. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
Some go round in a group, it almost looks like Crufts sometimes. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
-This is Monty. -And this is his favourite field. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
We know when there's a new dog in the field. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
We've used it daily, but now we're going to lose all that, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
should the permission be granted. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
We are short of areas like this to just let the dogs | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
run around, and it is nice to have it on your doorstep. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
So it would be a shame to build on here, really. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
The proposal to build on the recreation ground next | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
to the farm has riled local residents, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
and more than 500 people have lodged their objections with the planners. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
Taking on their fight is local councillor, Dave Prince. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
Local residents know, and I, as their local representative, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
we need houses. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:56 | |
The area needs houses, the town needs houses. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
So I'm not in the camp that, "We don't want development." | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
While Dave is fighting for the recreation ground, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
he accepts the farm may go. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
Pete, unfortunately, will lose his farm | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
if Starvehall Farm is built on. We sympathise with him, and you can | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
see now, he's got horses in his field. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
Unfortunately, there will be casualties along the way. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:20 | |
What we've got to do is to minimise these casualties. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
And we don't want this built on. To us, that would be the casualty. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
It doesn't build itself, green, open space, it's here. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
You build on it, it's gone. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
Everywhere is open, the only thing I would say, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
when you go into the workshop, at the end, if you use the side door. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
The front doors are locked. But go have a mooch and come back with any questions. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
Thank you. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
On the other side of the county, Pete is assessing the new farm, | 0:33:45 | 0:33:50 | |
to see if it would be suitable for his animals. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
I see a considerably good sized field. I think this is the boundary. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
There's a map here, isn't there? | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
With a shortage of agricultural land available to tenants, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
Pete is not the only one interested. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
More than 50 other farmers have come to look around. The farm will | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
go to the applicant who scores highest on the council's list | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
of criteria, and 52-year-old Pete is not confident about his chances. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:23 | |
I'll probably score very low on the points thing, cos of my age | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
and my lack of agricultural education through colleges. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:37 | |
I've never been to agricultural college because my father taught me | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
all I need to know about farming. It's in your blood, basically. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
But it's got to be done fairly, and if there's a 30-year-old that's | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
put a lot of work and time and effort into it, and I come along, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
if I was on the judging panels, I wouldn't give it to a 52-year-old | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
over a 30-year-old. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
But something will turn up, I'm sure of it. Something will happen. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
The application for the housing estate will be considered | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
by the planning committee in a few days' time. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
Ahead of the meeting, head planner Rob Lindsey has to publish | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
his team's recommendation. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
The officers are happy with the application as it stands, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
and that's why we're recommending approval. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
There are hundreds of objections to the scheme on all sorts | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
of different subjects. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
It has stirred the emotions of the local community, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
and what has stirred it more than most is that they're being ignored. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
By putting these invitations through people's letter boxes, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
it is hoped to galvanise the local community, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
not as they need much galvanising, because the local residents | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
are all concerned about what is going to happen. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
And I'm sure on the day of the planning committee, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
we'll have a good attendance there. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:02 | |
It will be a lively debate, I think. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
We've had cases in the past where there's been cheering and booing | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
and placards being waved in the public gallery. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
So, it could be lively. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:12 | |
What we hope from filling the chamber with local residents | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
is that it may well put a little bit of pressure on some | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
of the planning committee members to think long and hard | 0:36:21 | 0:36:26 | |
about the way that they're voting, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:27 | |
and they're not just voting with the officer's recommendation. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
The committee will meet in a few days' time, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
to determine the application for the biggest new housing development | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
to hit Cheltenham for more than a decade. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
In the Berkeley Vale, the fate of Gloucestershire's first wind farm | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
is now in the hands of one man - planning inspector, Richard Thomas. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
Now, those houses down there are very similar, but I don't suggest | 0:36:55 | 0:37:01 | |
that we go down there, but we have arranged for you to view from here. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
Local councillors rejected the application to erect | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
the turbines two years ago, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:09 | |
but the inspector has the power to overturn their decision. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
Today, he will view the proposed site from dozens of different | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
locations, but whilst they're out and about, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
no-one is allowed to lobby the inspector. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
I'm here just to look. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:28 | |
If there's anything particular you want me to look at... | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
It's best to walk to the bottom... | 0:37:31 | 0:37:32 | |
Can I just ask you not to make any particular remarks in terms of | 0:37:32 | 0:37:38 | |
positive or negative, that's for the inquiry. I'm just here | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
to look today. If there's anything you want me to look at | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
in particular, please do so. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
The tour of the area has been organised by the anti-wind farm group, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
but as the process has to be impartial, representatives | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
from Dale's company, the council | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
and the Campaign to Protect Rural England have all come along | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
to make sure there's no lobbying. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
The point is, Inspector, you're looking up. The turbine tops | 0:38:02 | 0:38:07 | |
are higher than where we are now. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
They tend to be recessive... | 0:38:09 | 0:38:10 | |
-You're beginning to give evidence. -Yeah. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
-Well, it's not evidence... -Point made, then. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
If there's anything you want me to look at in particular, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
-otherwise... -Just the general vista and how it will be spoiled | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
-by the turbines, basically. -Right. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
I think they sort of run parallel along the side of our property... | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
It's difficult to see, isn't it? | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
I'm trying to get an indication of the impact | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
of the proposal on the view. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
The appeal process is a little more familiar | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
to green energy entrepreneur, Dale. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
Almost half of the 53 turbines he's built in the UK | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
were initially refused consent by the planners. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
This is the first windmill that I built, 16 years old this year, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
it's the first and still the only turbine in Gloucestershire. I used | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
to live just over there by the tree line in my trailer, with my little windmill. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
Getting planning consent for this was quite a challenge, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
it was very early, early '90s, wind energy was quite new, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
seen as a bit fringy, a bit hippy, wasn't very well understood. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:24 | |
The local people that were against it claimed it would interfere | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
with TV signals, ruin house prices, everything but turn the milk sour. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:32 | |
Nearly 20 years later, we're facing the same | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
kind of crazy claims, when all people have to do is get in the car, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
come up here, have a look and listen for themselves - | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
see how quiet these things are. Job done. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
Despite Dale's confidence that his turbines will be good neighbours, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
many local residents are determined to persuade | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
the inspector to say no to the wind farm. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
-Hi, Russell. -Objector Russ Holloway intends to take full advantage | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
of the inspector's visit. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
Picked a nice day for it. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:05 | |
Yes, very lucky today. Very lucky indeed. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
Who was this prepared by? | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
-Save Berkeley Vale. -Right. -It hasn't been objected to... | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
Just to give you the perspective. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
Sorry, it's not part of the evidence that's before me, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
-so I can't listen to fresh evidence. -Just to give you a perspective | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
-of where they're going to be. -Fine. I'll rely on the evidence | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
that's been put before the inquiry, I think. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
Thank you very much anyway. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:26 | |
He didn't want to look at our photo. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
-No, well, that's evidence, isn't it? -Yes. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
There were a lot more that wanted to be visited | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
that we couldn't fit in with the timescale. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
-Had to be... -They're running late now, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:41 | |
and it's probably going to get later as time goes on, particularly | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
if they are going to go on the battlements of Berkeley Castle. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
We had this whole problem in the 1960s. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
The Central Electricity Generating Board wanted to put up | 0:40:53 | 0:40:58 | |
a line of pylons. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
And my father and I took it to the House of Lords and we won the day. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
We shouldn't have things like this in this vale. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
I don't know how he's planning this, but I shall probably have words | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
with him about my views on these particular wind turbines. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
Right. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
This will give you some idea of how high we are. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
I mean, the blades of the turbine will... | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
be above the skyline. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:40 | |
Mm. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:41 | |
Mm. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:44 | |
It's quite spectacular. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
Amazing. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
-It's interesting, in the 1960s... -Would... -I'm sorry. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
Sorry, I was just going to say, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
I can't listen to any fresh evidence... | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
No, no, I know. No, no. You can't, I know! | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
Well, um... | 0:42:02 | 0:42:03 | |
Can we offer you a cup of coffee or something? It's not bribery! | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
But to help you on your way. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
We've just had lunch, thank you, we're just on our way now. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
The inspector will now have to consider the case made by lawyers | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
from both sides, before delivering his verdict. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
We'll win the battle, we always won our battles as a family | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
and we'll win this one. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
On the Edinburgh coastline, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
the Beach House Cafe's application to extend the premises and install | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
a new ventilation system has caused quite a stir with the neighbours. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
As everyone who lives in the block has objected, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
the Edinburgh planning committee have been drafted in to adjudicate. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
Made up of councillors from a range of backgrounds, | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
including an electrician and a retired air stewardess, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
they have the power to make or break applications. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
They bring all the cakes and soups and things in | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
and have them delivered. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:09 | |
-They don't cook on the premises? -No, they've got restricted cooking. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
They don't have a flue at present | 0:43:13 | 0:43:14 | |
so they need that to be able to do the full range of cooking. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
The committee are due to hold a public meeting, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
where they will consider the concerns of the cafe's neighbours. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
If they allow the expansion, the cafe owners will be able to employ | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
more people, and offer a wider range of food to their customers. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
So there will actually be two slim metal flues, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
to try and reduce the impact, cos obviously you don't really want | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
a huge flue going up the building. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
We need businesses like this in Portobello, that's the balancing act, isn't it? | 0:43:47 | 0:43:52 | |
Portobello will just crumble if we don't have businesses like this. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
My main concern is the ventilation systems for the cooking facilities, | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
where that goes and how much impact that has on someone's living. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
Upstairs on the second floor, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
the Mulgary twins are preparing for the impending planning meeting. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
They've abandoned their silver foil illustrations of the flues | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
and have decided to make a full-scale replica. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
We thought it would be a good idea to make a mock-up of the two tubes. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:28 | |
175mm. Because most people have no idea of what is proposed. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:33 | |
Downstairs, cafe owners Jonathan and his wife Sarah | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
are preparing their side of the story for the committee. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
Whilst there are objectors from the flats upstairs and three or four | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
neighbours from around about, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
we've in fact got 400 signatures and letters of support, | 0:44:47 | 0:44:51 | |
which we'll be submitting to the councillors for tomorrow's meeting. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
So if the diameter is that, | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
the circumference will be, old school maths... | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
-Pi D. -Pi D. -But then we have to get the calculator. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
Yes, calculator. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:06 | |
The objectors have been taking what we want to do | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
and extrapolating it several times over. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
We think they've chosen to lose the plot. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
One slim tube. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
At the planning hearing, the councillors will decide | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
if the cafe extension can go ahead in the face of local objections. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
The planners have recommended approval, | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
but the objectors will be given a chance to put their case. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
Ever prepared, the Mulgary twins have brought their props. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
I'd like to make clear that my sister and I represent | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
the view of all the residents in the flats above the cafe. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
We have no objection to the cafe being extended | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
with the present restrictions | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
on cooking, but we do object to the type of cooking that requires | 0:46:00 | 0:46:04 | |
an industrial flue to be attached to the building. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
Two slim stainless steel tubes will not be conspicuous. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:13 | |
That is the size of the tubes. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
And it may well be, bigger tubes will be necessary. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
We therefore ask that the subcommittee grant the application, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
but only with the present cooking restrictions. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
-MAN: -Thanks very much. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:30 | |
After reading the reports and hearing from the twins, | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
the committee agrees to allow the cafe to extend | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
into the neighbouring flat. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:40 | |
OK, can I thank you very much for your contribution? | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
But then it comes to light that they are powerless to grant permission | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
for the ventilation flues. The exterior walls are jointly owned, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:52 | |
so for Jonathan and Sarah to install the flues, they'd need permission | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
from all the other residents in the block. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
The council subcommittee decided that the cafe would be restricted | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
to the present type of cooking, and if they wanted to put the flue up, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
they had to get our consent, which will never be given, of course. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
Yes, as Lady Macbeth said, "That day will never come!" | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
They're going to allow us to grow the cafe, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
but within the current restrictions. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
Back to microwaves and soups and bain-maries and the like. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
We're happy we got an even better solution than we thought | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
we would get. This is better. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:37 | |
And we're happy for Jonathan and Sarah too | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
-because they can get on with their cafe. -Yes. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
So we're really quite happy. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
We hope they see sense and don't try anything else. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
-Happy families. -Happy families. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
Yes. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:50 | |
The application to build more than 300 houses on a farm and recreation | 0:47:54 | 0:47:59 | |
ground in Cheltenham has been referred to the planning committee. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
Are you going away for Christmas, Barbara? | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
-No, I'm going away for New Year. -To America? -California. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
The elected councillors will have to decide | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
if permission should be granted in the face of local opposition. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
It's one of the biggest ones I can remember, and I've been on 13 years. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:23 | |
I don't know about you, but... | 0:48:23 | 0:48:24 | |
It is a very large planning application, | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
it's very, very controversial. We've got four speakers now, | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
we did have three. Three against and one in support - | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
and guess who the one in support is? The applicant! | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
Unfortunately, in planning you're always going to upset somebody, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
whether you say yes or no. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
With the planning meeting looming, | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
Pete still doesn't have anywhere to move to. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
He decided not to apply for the farm he recently viewed, | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
fearing that he didn't stand a chance of getting the lease. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
If permission is granted for building at Starvehall Farm | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
then Pete won't just lose his land, he'll lose his home too. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
I've known it since 1976, I've farmed it with my father | 0:49:08 | 0:49:13 | |
and farmed it myself. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
You get used to it, don't you, you know? | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
Since I might not have a farm, | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
I'll have to keep myself occupied somehow. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:23 | |
Despite the weather... | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
Oh, my wordy, wordy! | 0:49:29 | 0:49:30 | |
..planner Rob Lindsey wants the committee | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
to look at the site, as the original plans have been amended. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
With so much opposition to the scheme, | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
the architects are now proposing to leave a small section | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
of the recreation ground as open space. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
All we're going to look at is an imaginary line! | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
I hope it's worth it. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
Right, could you stand there? Thank you. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
As there are no markers pegged out on the field, Rob has come up | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
with an unorthodox method of demonstrating the new building line. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
The two human pegs represent a line averaging that point there. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:06 | |
I've only seen one... Hang on, where's the other human peg? | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
-Down there. -Down there? | 0:50:09 | 0:50:10 | |
-Oh, there! OK. -Across the field. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
Those two pegs represent a line between the corner of that house | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
and Rushy Mews, which is cutting that boundary there. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:22 | |
Right, I think that's all I need to show you here, if you've had enough? | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
Yes? THEY LAUGH | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
-Thank you. -OK. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:29 | |
What we are doing is trying to strike a balance | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
between the objectors' interests and the interests of the developer. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:36 | |
And we feel that with some open space retained, | 0:50:36 | 0:50:39 | |
that it will be a viable proposal. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
Whilst the dog walkers would get to use a smaller section | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
of open space, the entire farm will still be built on | 0:50:48 | 0:50:52 | |
if planning is granted. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:53 | |
It would be nice to know what was happening. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:56 | |
I've got a lot of clearing up to do if I've got to get out from here. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
And I've also got to earn a living at the same time. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
But I believe there's a planning meeting tonight. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
Everyone on the council is quite confident that it's going to go through. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
But, er, we shall see. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
Tonight, the planning committee will decide if the housing estate | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
that would replace Pete's farm, and most of the recreation ground, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
is acceptable. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:34 | |
The first application is for land at Starvehall Farm. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
First speaker is Colonel Bob Stark, in opposition to the application. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:56 | |
We welcome the change to this application, | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
but two major issues remain. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
It's a very big application for Cheltenham, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
it's the biggest we've had for 15 years or so in terms of | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
the number of houses proposed at once and the issues being thrown up | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
by the application. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:13 | |
The revised scheme hasn't actually tempered the opposition. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
So, yeah, for Cheltenham it's massive. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
We further request that you direct the applicant | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
to properly consult with our community | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
and return to your committee with revised designs that would | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
truly help Cheltenham meet its need for new housing. Thank you. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:52:32 | 0:52:38 | |
Can I please ask the gallery to refrain from any audible comment | 0:52:44 | 0:52:51 | |
or applause? We understand your concerns about this development, | 0:52:51 | 0:52:57 | |
it's amply demonstrated by the number of people that are here. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
And I'm afraid that if it happens again, I will have to call for | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
the gallery to be cleared. LAUGHTER | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
I now open it up to debate by members. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
Thank you, Madam Chair. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
This site was identified by the borough council as being | 0:53:17 | 0:53:22 | |
the sixth most important amenity site | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
out of 119 around Cheltenham | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
and should be given appropriate protection. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
Now we're told it's not required and suitable for development. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
It is not just nimbyism - | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
a lot of people from outside the area are saying, "Save this." | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
We as councillors have been given a responsibility to take some | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
unpalatable decisions, especially over housing for our children | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
and especially over affordable housing. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
If we are going to protect the green belt, | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
we are unfortunately going to have to look at sites like this. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
No other members indicating, so we'll go to the vote. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:05 | |
All those in favour of refusal... | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
-Four. -That is four. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
All those against refusal... | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
-Ten. -That's ten. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
That is approved. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
The successful application means that whilst a small section | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
of the recreation land will be kept, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
the whole of Starvehall Farm will be lost to the new estate. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
CHATTERING | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
It's the end of the road for me. Complete end of the road for me. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:48 | |
I think it was done for financial reasons, no other reason, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
because the council are short of money. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
Changing from an agricultural use to suburban development | 0:54:56 | 0:55:01 | |
is very radical indeed. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
And it's very sad for him at a personal level. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
It's part of what happens in towns as they develop, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
changes do take place, don't they? Some of them quite far-reaching. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
Sometimes you feel a bit frustrated that people are cross | 0:55:14 | 0:55:19 | |
with the decision that you've helped make. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
I'm sorry about it, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
but you've got to keep it in your mind | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
you're trying to do your best for Cheltenham and the community. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:30 | |
In Berkley Vale, the planning inspector's decision | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
on the wind turbines is due. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:42 | |
Green entrepreneur, Dale Vince, appealed against the planners' | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
original refusal. Local residents Russ and Jill Holloway | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
are hoping it'll be dismissed. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
I've got an e-mail from the planning inspectorate. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
And it just says, "Covering letter - I enclose the decision." I'm now... | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
Oh... | 0:56:05 | 0:56:06 | |
..opening on the decision. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
Appeal... | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
"Decision - I dismiss the appeal." | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
Ahhh! | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
That means we've won. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
That really does mean we've won. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
Oh, gosh, that is fantastic. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
Russ! | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
Do you want to know the result? | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
-Really? -We've won! -Oh! | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
-Fantastic. Well done. -We've done it! | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
What a star. I must say, I reckon it's down to you. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
Shall I go and put the flag up on the flagpole, with some bunting? | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
For Dale, the decision means the 15-year wait to build a wind farm | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
in his home county must continue. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
We think it's a big missed opportunity for the people | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
of Stroud district. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
Nearly 15% of homes could have been powered by this wind farm. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
And at the same time, we've got to wonder | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
if this isn't down to a change in planning policy from the Government. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:20 | |
I think the inspector got the message, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
when he went on the roof of the castle, | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
this wasn't the right place for wind turbines. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
They may try elsewhere in the vale. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
My only warning is that | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
I will fight anything that I think | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
will be obtrusive in this vale. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
Anyway... | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
-Cheers, everybody. Well done to everybody, really. -Cheers. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:51 | |
I would hope it was the end of it, but you never know with Dale Vince. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
The energy crisis is going to bite us. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:58 | |
Within a few more years there will be another change in planning | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
policy for renewable energy and for windmills in England. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
And, as Arnie said, we'll be back. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
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