Episode 1 No More Boys and Girls: Can Our Kids Go Gender Free?


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We live in a country where men and women are meant to be equal -

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same pay, same careers, same opportunities -

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but children as young as seven

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think the boys and girls are fundamentally different...

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I think boys are cleverer than girls.

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Men are better at, like, being in charge?

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I would describe a girl as being pretty.

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..and that these differences will define the lives

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they live as adults.

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If the woman has a child,

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the men have to go to work and earn some money.

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Men are more successful because they could have more harder jobs.

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I don't believe that biology alone can explain these differences.

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I think the answer lies in the society we live in.

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I'm Dr Javed Abdelmoneim.

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What if they called you all sweet pea?

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ALL: No!

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I'm going to find out if by turning a class of seven-year-old primary schoolchildren...

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-What are we doing?

-..gender neutral...

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You've got to start going to the same toilet.

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ALL: No!

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..I can change the way they think about themselves...

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Everyone can have a chance to do what they like.

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..and the way they think about their future.

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I do not like reading but I like reading that book.

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And if I can do that,

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perhaps there's a chance of making their adult lives really equal.

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"Made to be underpaid" - would you dress your daughter in that?

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It kind of makes...

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Something that seems so innocent not really that innocent after all.

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But it isn't going to be easy.

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I don't want to do it anymore!

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I want it to go back to boys and girls.

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They didn't think I could do it at first.

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What we're trying do could actually be very difficult.

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I think you're going to struggle.

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Every child deserves the same opportunities in life,

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but unless we stop treating our boys and girls differently,

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that simply isn't going to happen.

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This is Lanesend Primary School on the Isle of Wight...

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Can you please line up ready for assembly?

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..a local school with a good academic record...

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..run by headteacher Caroline Sice.

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Good morning, everyone.

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ALL: Good morning, Mrs Sice.

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300 boys and girls, ranging in age from five to 11.

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Graham Andre teaches one of the two year three classes.

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Right, how could you describe the gladiator?

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-Mr Andre.

-How are you?

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Sorry to interrupt...

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23 seven-year-old children, who were born between 2008-2009.

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-Hello, everyone. ALL:

-Hello!

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The same time that the UK was drafting the Equality Act,

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the most comprehensive legislation

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anywhere in the world against sex discrimination.

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Would you like to share what you've written?

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These children have lived their entire lives in a world

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that says it wants men and women to be treated the same.

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Get things written down.

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But is that how things really are?

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Come on, Amber, give it a go, love.

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Maisie, what we're doing, love,

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is we're saying we're gladiators, so we're describing what we're seeing.

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It seems to me that if we treat boys and girls differently

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that's how they will see themselves.

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Nancy. Finger spaces, of course, my love.

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We always needs finger spaces.

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But if we treat them the same, maybe we can transform their views

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and alter what the future might hold for them.

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So what do the children in Graham's class

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think about how different or similar they are?

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Men are better because they're stronger

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and they've got more jobs...

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I think.

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I would describe a girl as pretty,

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lipstick,

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dresses, love hearts.

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Boys can only do football.

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Why is it only boys can play football?

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Because they're fitter and stronger.

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I think strong is a boy word because

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they can fight lots of people.

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Right, tell me, who's more important - girls or boys?

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Morely like boys because they can protect girls more.

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I think men are more successful

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because they could have more harder jobs

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and they would earn more.

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I think men are better at,

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like, being in charge.

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I think boys are cleverer than girls because

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they don't...

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they get into president easily, don't they?

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Louis?

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I think, from the moment they're born,

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they are aware of gender.

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Those children are becoming that mind-set, this is what they are,

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the boys will play football, the girls will do drawing and art.

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They will tell me what jobs they can or can't do,

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so it's very much that they've still got very set views

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on what is acceptable for their gender.

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Shhh!

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Right, Riley, we need to be quiet.

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Everyone.

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It's common sense

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that there are basic biological differences between the sexes,

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but do these differences explain the way the children think?

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To find out, I've come to see Professor Gina Rippon,

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one of the country's leading experts in neuroimaging,

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to see if there's something about how the children's brains work

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that could explain it.

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What are the differences between boys' and girls' brains, anatomically?

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The 64,000 question.

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Structurally, there appears to be very, very few differences,

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which is quite a surprise to a lot of people who have assumed for hundreds of years

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that males and females are different because their brains are different.

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So you couldn't look at a brain scan and say,

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"That's the brain scan of a male or a brain scan of a female."

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That really doesn't explain why boys and girls might behave differently,

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then, if you say the structure of the brains are...

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There's no differentiation between the structure.

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Well, the other thing that we now know

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about is that the brain is very, very plastic,

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mouldable, changeable,

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that something isn't necessarily fixed and invariant,

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which was always thought about the brain.

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What we now know is that brain development

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is very much entangled with society, experiences, upbringing,

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and the differences we're seeing are not because they were

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determined at the moment of conception.

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It's because this hungry brain arrives in the world

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and the world is instantly plunging it into a tsunami of pink and blue,

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and I think we have not been aware, until recently,

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of how big that influence is.

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If Gina's right,

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the differences between boys and girls aren't set in stone.

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They're there because their experiences have taught them

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different skills and mental attitudes...

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Can you phone people on your phone and text and stuff?

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-No. I haven't got a Sim card or any credit.

-Haven't you?

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..which means I should be able to reduce the differences

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between the boys and girls in Graham's class of seven-year-olds.

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What I need the boys to do is some pictures because the girls at the moment...

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Research at Stanford University has said that seven is a key age

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for children because it's at this point that they are beginning

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to have fixed ideas

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about the differences between a man and a woman.

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Excellent! Amber, would you like to share yours?

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But not so fixed that they can't still be changed.

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Five and two, they'd be quite loud.

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Think about the patterns in the twos and the five times table.

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-Riley?

-Ten.

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So I've asked Dr Stella Mavroveli from the Psychometric Lab,

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University College London,

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to run a series of tests

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to gather some data measuring these differences.

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So, I am a scientist.

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I work with children and adults and I help them learn a little bit more

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about themselves, and you will be helping us learn a lot more about children your age.

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These tests will look at the differences between the boys and girls when it comes to...

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One is only men,

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two is only women, and three is both men and women.

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So these are jobs, OK?

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..their levels of self-esteem...

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..how clever they think they are, known as perceived intelligence.

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..their understanding and levels of empathy...

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If my mother is happy, I also feel happy.

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..assertiveness...

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..and how good they are resisting impulses to act -

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a trait that is linked to aggression,

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bad behaviour and lying...

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You will be allowed to eat one sweet,

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but then you've got to leave the rest until the end of the day.

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-No!

-No!

-Yay.

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Right, we need to get back on with our maths.

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I'm protecting mine.

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The wall might stop them.

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Then the Roman couldn't get in there.

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..and how much vocabulary they have to describe their emotions.

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Happy.

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Excited.

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Joyful.

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Smiley.

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Funny. Joyful.

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Um...

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Fun. Family.

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Love.

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Excited. Enjoyable.

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Er...

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I don't know.

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Can't think of any.

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I can't think of any.

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Graham also scored each of the children

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for levels of classroom behaviour, hyperactivity and poor conduct.

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Thank you so much. You've done amazingly well.

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I'm collecting them.

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Stella has sent me the results of the week of tests

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and they are shocking.

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I'm seeing here evidence

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that the girls significantly underestimate

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how clever they are and have less self-esteem and self-confidence,

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and the boys can't seem to express their emotions, except anger,

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which is really disturbing.

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And the girls seem to use words such as, ugly, lipstick, pretty -

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so everything to do with looks to describe themselves.

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I'm disappointed by these results.

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Gina has told me that boys' and girls' brains are the same,

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so there's absolutely no biological reason

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why the results should be like this.

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What is really worrying is that Lanesend is a school

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like any other in the country,

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so if these results are true for them,

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then they're probably true for every other class in every other school.

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So I'm heading back to the Isle of Wight,

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where, for the next five weeks,

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I'm going to stage a number of classroom interventions.

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When you think about love, what does it remind you of?

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Maisie, what does it remind you of, love?

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These are designed to tackle the differences I've seen in the boys

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and girls in our series of tests,

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and change them when Dr Stella retests the children

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at the end of the term.

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Can you sit, properly, please, Amber, love?

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Cara, love, what does love remind you of?

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And to ensure that any changes that take place

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are down to my interventions,

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we're going to use the other year three class as a control group.

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They will be tested at the beginning and at the end,

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but, apart from that, they'll have a term of normal lessons.

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The girl would be Summer and a boy would be Sonny.

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I'll teach you all how to be Jedis.

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But before I do anything, I want to talk to Graham,

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to find out if what he knows about the children ties up with what I've found.

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So this is a really interesting thing, I think.

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It's something called perceived intelligence.

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-Right.

-OK? So there was a little test and the object was to ask them

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what score they thought they would get.

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-That's right.

-And overall, many,

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many more girls underestimated what they would achieve than the boys.

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-Right, OK!

-And, actually, three times as many boys overestimated what they would achieve...

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-Wow!

-..when compared to the girls.

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Girls underestimate their ability and boys overestimate.

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And, in fact, one of the girls, Lexi, there,

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estimated she would only get three out of ten,

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-but actually scored nine out of ten.

-Wow!

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Ditto for Grace and Tiffany, there.

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I definitely think that's something that we do see within class,

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that the boys actually have this greater belief

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in their own abilities

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and the girls seem to be a bit more quieter about it all,

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and Tiffany, Grace and Lexi, I can see,

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they're girls, actually, that are quite low on confidence.

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Grace came to us from a different school and she was really low

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on confidence, especially when it came to things like maths.

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The most telling for me, personally, was the emotional vocab.

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So we gave them a word and we asked them to give a number of words

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-associated to that.

-Right, OK.

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And across all of these emotions, bar one,

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-the girls scored more than the boys.

-Wow.

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And the only one they didn't score more on was angry.

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-Wow!

-So boys had more words to describe angry than girls.

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-Yeah.

-But, already at this point,

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something's happened somewhere that girls can express their emotions

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much more. And do you see that in class?

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Yeah, we do, actually.

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It's harder for the boys to express their feelings.

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You can ask them, they get angry sometimes and you can say to them, "Why is it you are angry?"

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And they're like, "I just am. "I just am angry!"

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It wasn't just differences in intelligence or emotion

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that were revealed in our testing.

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For self-esteem, 50% of the boys described themselves as "the best",

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but only 10% of the girls,

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with one girl describing herself as "ugly."

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Girls also had low scores for self-confidence,

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while boys struggled with empathy.

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It was a shock looking at some of the data in the assessment

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that came back. There are some big challenges there for the children,

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especially the girls, that underestimated their own ability.

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And, also, there are some quite biased views about what boys

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are expected to do and what girls are expected to do,

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and I'd really like to change that.

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That's the only thing I'm really nervous about -

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that actually we do this and nothing happens -

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because I really want there to be a difference.

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Oh, you got a big bit!

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Nancy, quick!

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The first thing I want to do is address the differences

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that the children told me about themselves.

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Wherever they look, I want them to be faced with things

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that highlight their similarities and not their difference.

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Knock, knock! Mr Andre.

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-Hello, Javad.

-How are you all?

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CHILDREN SHOUT

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Do you know what we're up to?

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ALL: No.

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Right. What we're going to do

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is we're going to try and change the classroom.

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We're going to ensure that the boys and girls are treated equally

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because you can all do as well as each other.

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So, here, we've got some boards,

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which you're all going to help put up,

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that says that boys are strong...

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Yeah!

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..but so are girls.

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-Yeah!

-Girls are strong!

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Let's start putting some stuff up, then.

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You could put it the table.

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It doesn't have to stay there for ever, it could change every week.

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Where's the best place to put this sign so that people see it?

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These signs have been written to challenge what the children themselves

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have told me about how they view boys and girls.

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Where do you think it would have the best impact?

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-What does yours say?

-Girls are clever.

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Do you agree, girls are clever?

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-Yeah.

-Great.

-How about this one goes here?

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-I think that's a good idea.

-Who had this one?

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-Finlay.

-Good job.

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Yeah.

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That's good.

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It looks like it's just a few words on the walls,

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but it's about more than that, it's about the language, the climate,

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the environment in which the children find themselves.

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They're now receiving lots and lots and lots of small messages,

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together, the sum of which is far greater than their parts,

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and it's telling them boys and girls are equal.

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They're in there for many hours a day, most of the days of the week,

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so it's a big thing.

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The biggest influence in the classroom is Graham.

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You two guys...

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I want to find out from headteacher Mrs Sice

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how she thinks he does at treating the children the same.

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Mr Andre is a great teacher,

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but his biggest strength is his relationship with the children.

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He knows those children really well.

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However, when we were doing observations,

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when he was asking questions and gathering answers,

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often would ask more boys than girls.

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Why do you think, fellas?

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And this is what we had picked up in observations with him.

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So, yeah, really important to see if we could change Mr Andre and ensure

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his children were getting an equal sort of experience in his classroom.

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I've got an idea that I think will do just that.

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What do you think this might be?

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What does it say on there?

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Grace! Oh!

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What does it say on there?

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-Maisie.

-It says our names!

-Ryan.

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One of the most telling findings in the testing

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was the girls' low levels of academic self-confidence...

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It's got your names on it.

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..which is partly expressed in the confidence

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that they have to speak up in class.

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We know that you might be skewed towards letting one of the kids

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answer a question if they're noisy or loud,

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so this is a way of making it entirely fair

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and straight down to chance.

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Brilliant. So if I pull one out and say, "Riley,

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"do you think it is a good idea?"

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-Yeah.

-You think it's a good idea?

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Yeah, it landed on me.

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Of course it's a good idea!

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And we are going out now actually for a bit of an early break.

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Lily? Come on, love.

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Anthony. What's up, mate?

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There's little point in doing all I can to even out differences

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when, every time Graham opens his mouth,

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he uses names that massively reinforce

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the idea that boys and girls are different.

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Have you ever noticed that Mr Andre calls you boys "mate" or "fella"?

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-Yeah.

-He calls me mate sometimes.

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-Does he?

-But you're not a man!

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Oh!

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So is "mate" only for men?

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-Yeah.

-No.

-OK, what about this -

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what if Mr Andre called you all sweet pea?

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-Oh, no!

-Yeah!

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-Why not?

-That would be weird!

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Sweet pea is the name for girls.

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That would be so weird!

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From those reactions,

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it's clear that this kind of language has power...

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..so I want to challenge Graham on his use of "love" and "mate".

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We counted through one of your morning sessions

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-the number of times you called girls "love", "my lovely", "darling", "sweet pea"...

-Yeah.

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-Yeah.

-..it was 104 times.

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Really? Ah, yeah.

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And the boys, you called the boys "mate", "lad", "fella" or "sir".

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-Right.

-That was 47.

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OK. Do you know? I'm really aware that I do this.

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It's also the fact that you do tend to endear yourself

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-to the girls twice as much as the boys.

-Right.

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Crumbs, that's a lot, isn't it?

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It's sort of ingrained, it's something I do,

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so I find it really hard not to do it!

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It's all too easy to laugh this off as not really mattering,

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but constant reminders of difference sink in

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and have a lasting effect on the children.

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I've got an idea for a way the children themselves

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can help Graham change his ways.

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-It's a face.

-What do you think it might be?

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Here we go. So...

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We've noticed that Mr Andre likes to call some of you "love"

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and "sweet pea", and some of you "mate" and "fella".

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We're going to put this up

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and every time you hear him say "love", or "mate",

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or "sweet pea", or "fella", or "my darling",

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you can put a sad face next to whichever one that he's said.

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-What do you think about that?

-Yes.

-Yes!

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-I like it!

-All right, but you've got to be honest with this.

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You have to be honest.

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If I stand any chance of effecting change then everything that marks the children apart as different

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based solely on being a boy or a girl needs to be gotten rid of,

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and nothing will do that more than pet names like "love" and "mate".

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So, yeah, you've seen the small things that we've put up all around the room

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and how we're going to change the words we use.

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So a small beginning, but this is your new classroom.

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-What do you think?

-I like it!

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-It's just the beginning, Ronnie.

-What?!

-I know!

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It's been an interesting day today, with Javid coming in.

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I am a bit worried about the board at the back of the classroom.

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I think cos the kids are part of that, too,

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they're going to keep an eye on me and help me to do that,

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and I know it's for the greater good.

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I know it will have an impact on the children.

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Would you like dinners, Louis?

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Go and get yourself a form. Thank you, Riley.

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I look forward to seeing him.

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It's a new day at Lanesend Primary School.

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Look, two minutes and he called me "miss".

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Mr Andre's messed up.

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And already Graham is struggling with the pet names.

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How long did it take you to say love?

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It was about two minutes, Lily, wasn't it, this morning?

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It was a real accident, as well.

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-Lexi, you all right there, love?

-You said "love"!

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You just called Lexi "love"!

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Lexi!

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It's much harder than I thought it was going to be.

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Although, to be fair, I do honestly think two's not too bad.

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I would have, by now, looking at 23 children,

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I would have called each one of them a term of endearment, I think,

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at least once this morning,

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so two's not too bad, but it's still not great.

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It's really, really, really hard.

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I really have to think about what I'm doing.

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Despite the changes I've brought to the classroom

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proving a little challenging for Graham,

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he has a project of his own he wants the children to help with.

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So we've been talking about the different changes

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that we've made in our classroom.

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We've got these signs around.

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But we need to change our cupboards because, at the moment, we've got

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a cupboard for the boys and we have a cupboard for the girls.

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So what we want to do is we want to change that.

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We want to change it so actually, when you come in,

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you can put your coat in whichever cupboard you want to.

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So what we are going to do is paint.

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THEY GASP

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Right! Jay looks like Joseph in his technicolor dreamcoat.

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We need to decorate it.

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I'm doing a butterfly.

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Painting a cupboard might seem a bit small, even ridiculous,

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but every time the children have a difference pointed out to them

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and then removed, it reinforces that they are the same.

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Can we make the cupboard into one big one?

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I think you should cut off the middle bit

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and then put them together.

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We just have a boys' cupboard and a girls' cupboard, actually, I don't know why we've done this.

0:22:450:22:49

It's always been the same.

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Because they're part of the process,

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because they've been able to paint it,

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I think they will start to mix it up a little bit.

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-There we go.

-Brilliant. Do you think you've done a good job?

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-Yes.

-Yeah.

-Yeah, I think you've done a good job.

0:23:020:23:04

Excellent. And can you please line up at the door?

0:23:040:23:07

So what I'm going to do is I'm going to queue up for assembly

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and I'm going to pick a ball out and this person will be the line leader.

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We could have a different person each day, couldn't we?

0:23:120:23:15

-Bella.

-Yes!

-There you go, Bella.

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It's an encouraging first step to see the children and Graham

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being challenged by the changes I've made in the classroom.

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But next I want to tackle one of the questions

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that all children have an answer for.

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When I grow up, I want to be a Formula 1 driver.

0:23:320:23:35

When I grow up, I want to be a pop star because I like music.

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I'd like to be a RAF pilot.

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I want to be a teacher.

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As part of our testing, the children were given a long list of jobs,

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these range from ones that are traditionally thought of as either female or male,

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like baby-sitter and plumber,

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to less obvious ones, like baker or dentist.

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We then asked which jobs a woman would do.

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I think a hairdresser,

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a baby-sitter and a nail designer.

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And which would a man do?

0:24:140:24:16

Football player, tennis pe...

0:24:160:24:19

Um... Tennis people.

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Captain of a ship.

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What was shocking was just how certain they were

0:24:260:24:29

that these jobs were only for men or women.

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And I think a hairdresser is a girl job

0:24:330:24:37

because it's a girl job.

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I think a firefighter is for a boy

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because they need to hold up big ladders what are really heavy.

0:24:440:24:50

Boys can only be police officers

0:24:500:24:52

because they're faster, so they can catch the robbers.

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If you thought of a nurse being a boy,

0:24:570:25:01

it kind of sounds a bit weird

0:25:010:25:04

and it would kind of look a bit weird, as well.

0:25:040:25:06

On one level, this sounds like harmless kid's talk,

0:25:070:25:10

but at just seven years old, there is no doubt in their minds -

0:25:100:25:14

some jobs men do and some women do,

0:25:140:25:17

and that is limiting.

0:25:170:25:19

All right, year threes, would you like to stand up?

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I want to try and show them

0:25:220:25:24

that it doesn't necessarily have to be that way.

0:25:240:25:27

Here we go, I'm going to show you this,

0:25:270:25:30

and on this are four jobs.

0:25:300:25:32

Over here there's a ballet dancer, a magician,

0:25:320:25:35

a make-up artist and a mechanic,

0:25:350:25:38

and what I want you kids to do is to get as creative as possible.

0:25:380:25:41

Draw in their body, draw in their arms.

0:25:410:25:43

Imagine what tools they might need,

0:25:430:25:45

imagine what colour hair they've got,

0:25:450:25:47

what clothes they wear.

0:25:470:25:48

I also want you to do one thing, which is really important,

0:25:480:25:51

I want you to give them a name. Ready?

0:25:510:25:53

ALL: Yes!

0:25:530:25:54

I'm doing a magician.

0:25:540:25:58

I need a...

0:25:580:26:00

You want to make them naked?

0:26:000:26:01

You can do that. How many mechanics do you know that work naked?

0:26:010:26:04

-Trillions.

-OK.

0:26:040:26:06

The jobs I've chosen aren't really the important part.

0:26:060:26:09

I'm not trying to turn all the girls into wannabe magicians,

0:26:090:26:13

but what I do want to do is to explore the kind of rigid thinking

0:26:130:26:17

they showed in our testing.

0:26:170:26:19

So you're thinking about who might do this job, yes?

0:26:190:26:22

-A girl.

-A girl, OK.

0:26:220:26:24

I would put them in a normal job,

0:26:240:26:28

like a make-up artist would normally be a girl

0:26:280:26:32

and a car mechanic would normally be a boy.

0:26:320:26:36

Your magician is a mister, I see you've written here.

0:26:360:26:38

-He's going to be Mr and then Bubbles.

-OK.

0:26:380:26:41

And my car mechanic, I might call him Diamond Steve, I'm not sure.

0:26:410:26:46

This is Hayley, she's a ballerina

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because most ballet dancers are a lady.

0:26:500:26:54

My make-up artist is a woman,

0:26:540:26:56

she's going to have a mirror and lipstick

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cos it's make-up and lipstick's make-up

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and usually you have mirrors for make-up.

0:27:010:27:03

Yeah. It's basically a woman cos it's usually a woman.

0:27:030:27:07

And the ballet dancer's called Anne

0:27:070:27:10

because lots and lots and lots of ballet dancers are girls.

0:27:100:27:14

It's surprising how fixed the children's ideas are.

0:27:140:27:18

Almost without exception, the mechanics and magicians are men

0:27:180:27:21

and the make-up artists and dancers women,

0:27:210:27:24

but there is absolutely no reason why that should be.

0:27:240:27:28

So I want to show them an alternative.

0:27:290:27:31

Are we ready?

0:27:360:27:38

Come in. Come in.

0:27:380:27:39

Come in. You've all got your hands to your mouths, huh?

0:27:390:27:42

So you were drawing four people earlier, weren't you?

0:27:420:27:45

-ALL: Yes.

-Are they the people on our sheets?

0:27:450:27:48

Why don't you introduce yourselves and we'll find out?

0:27:480:27:50

Hello, so my name's Rob and I'm a make-up artist.

0:27:500:27:53

I'm Andrea and I'm a car mechanic.

0:27:540:27:56

Hello, my name is Dane and I'm a dancer.

0:27:560:27:58

Hello, I'm Karina and I'm a magician.

0:27:580:28:01

-What?

-Is that surprising, Riley?

0:28:010:28:03

-Yeah.

-Come forward and meet them all properly, come on.

0:28:030:28:08

Right, you five ladies, would you like to come with me?

0:28:090:28:13

Yeah.

0:28:130:28:14

Everybody stand back then.

0:28:140:28:17

I am a magician.

0:28:170:28:19

Whoa!

0:28:190:28:21

So my name's Rob and I work on films like Star Wars and Avengers.

0:28:230:28:28

-Star Wars!

-Yeah!

0:28:280:28:29

Meeting role models can be hugely influential.

0:28:290:28:33

-Turn.

-Like this or something?

0:28:330:28:36

Let's see. And go.

0:28:360:28:38

Very good. Very good.

0:28:380:28:40

Because what we learn from them

0:28:400:28:42

is more likely to change our behaviours and beliefs.

0:28:420:28:45

-What is that?

-It's part of the exhaust

0:28:460:28:49

and what it does is it collects all the nasty soot.

0:28:490:28:52

Is it really, really hot?

0:28:520:28:54

It gets incredibly hot.

0:28:540:28:56

-Have you girls ever met a female mechanic?

-Yes.

-No.

0:28:560:28:58

-No.

-Where have you met one?

0:28:580:29:00

-Ah!

-You've met me!

0:29:000:29:02

So, Lexi, have you enjoyed meeting the mechanic?

0:29:020:29:04

Yes. I think that it's really cool that it's a girl mechanic.

0:29:040:29:08

So sometimes, we might have to paint on a little black eye

0:29:080:29:11

because someone in the film, it might happen that they get punched in the face or something.

0:29:110:29:15

Yeah, like Thor's brother Loki when they're fighting.

0:29:150:29:17

Yeah, like with Loki, yeah.

0:29:170:29:19

Yeah.

0:29:220:29:23

I like it cos a boy gets the chance to be make-up artist,

0:29:230:29:27

not always a girl.

0:29:270:29:29

Oh, looks sore, doesn't it?

0:29:290:29:30

-It was tickling, wasn't it?

-And turn left.

0:29:300:29:32

And drop to the floor. And fall down. And up. And turn. And finish.

0:29:320:29:36

Very good, very good.

0:29:360:29:38

Who's been the coolest person you've met?

0:29:380:29:40

It's got to be the dancer because...

0:29:400:29:43

I don't know why, I just like it.

0:29:430:29:46

I think they're everyone jobs

0:29:460:29:49

because everyone can have a chance to do what they like.

0:29:490:29:52

This was not a hard thing to do,

0:29:550:29:57

to get some people in a room and show the children

0:29:570:30:00

that there's an alternative

0:30:000:30:01

to what they think as the inevitable path for men and women.

0:30:010:30:06

By making them face their own assumptions,

0:30:060:30:09

we've made a lasting change.

0:30:090:30:12

Boom. High five, double.

0:30:120:30:14

Yeah.

0:30:140:30:15

It would be easy for schools

0:30:150:30:17

to do something like this, but they aren't

0:30:170:30:21

and that means another generation of children growing up

0:30:210:30:24

with fixed and limiting ideas about what they can achieve.

0:30:240:30:27

So what do we need to say to all these wonderful people who have come to see us this afternoon?

0:30:270:30:31

Thank you!

0:30:310:30:34

-Bye! Bye!

-I do apologise for some of your children,

0:30:340:30:38

what's happened to them this afternoon, I don't know,

0:30:380:30:41

but they have lots of things they can tell you about today.

0:30:410:30:44

It's been amazing today.

0:30:440:30:46

-Did you have fun?

-Yeah.

0:30:460:30:47

-Let's have a look.

-I saw...

0:30:470:30:48

It looks really real!

0:30:480:30:50

-It's a painting!

-A lady magician, a lady car mechanic,

0:30:500:30:55

a male dancer and a male make-up artist, which done this.

0:30:550:31:01

-Were you surprised?

-Yeah.

0:31:010:31:04

I think, if we did the same activity that we did earlier again tomorrow,

0:31:040:31:08

then you'd get a whole different set of pictures on those bodies.

0:31:080:31:13

I'm sure you would.

0:31:130:31:14

I actually think this could be a step in the right direction

0:31:140:31:18

of a change in their views.

0:31:180:31:20

Bye.

0:31:200:31:21

While changing the children's perceptions is a start,

0:31:240:31:27

I think it's just one part of the problem.

0:31:270:31:30

In our testing, the girls scored 30% lower than the boys

0:31:320:31:35

in self-confidence in maths.

0:31:350:31:37

Two, three, four, five,

0:31:390:31:42

six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

0:31:420:31:46

The ability to process and understand numbers,

0:31:460:31:48

shapes and how objects fits together,

0:31:480:31:50

known as spatial awareness, is key to success

0:31:500:31:53

in a number of traditionally male-dominated professions.

0:31:530:31:56

According to the Office of National Statistics,

0:31:590:32:02

less than 10% of engineers and 20% of architects are women.

0:32:020:32:07

I want to know why it is that men dominate

0:32:090:32:12

it when comes to spatial awareness.

0:32:120:32:14

People are very interested in the fact that on average

0:32:140:32:18

girls tend to do worse on what we call spatial tasks

0:32:180:32:21

and it seems to be very much a function of encouraging boys,

0:32:210:32:26

or boys having more experience with visual and spatial skills.

0:32:260:32:29

They've got their heads stuck in a Lego instruction book, for example.

0:32:290:32:32

So people have looked at whether or not

0:32:320:32:35

you could improve performance by training,

0:32:350:32:37

so these are scans of girls who had opportunities to play Tetris

0:32:370:32:42

intensively for three months

0:32:420:32:44

and what they found was that their spatial skills improved

0:32:440:32:48

and actually there were structures in the brain which changed.

0:32:480:32:52

So it's physically changed in response to Tetris training.

0:32:520:32:54

Yes, the cortex has got thicker -

0:32:540:32:56

to put it in simple terms.

0:32:560:32:58

So a male child might be much more encouraged

0:32:580:33:02

to play with games that are to do with spatial awareness,

0:33:020:33:06

so the brain has rehearsed and practised that,

0:33:060:33:09

develops more and actually the child becomes better at it.

0:33:090:33:13

-Yes.

-And we know that practise it makes perfect.

0:33:130:33:15

Yes. And also, if you're better at something, you enjoy doing it more.

0:33:150:33:18

No!

0:33:240:33:26

Gina has given me an idea of how I can brain-train my class to even out

0:33:260:33:30

these differences and build their confidence

0:33:300:33:33

in their abilities that affects subjects like maths and science.

0:33:330:33:37

Spatial ability is a key component in the stem subjects,

0:33:370:33:42

the subjects of science, technology, engineering and maths,

0:33:420:33:45

and those subjects are crucial for future careers

0:33:450:33:47

potentially in engineering, architecture, even surgery.

0:33:470:33:51

OK, kids, what we're trying to show today is to see if any of you

0:33:510:33:55

are better than the others at spatial awareness -

0:33:550:33:59

being able to look at physical objects

0:33:590:34:01

and seeing how they relate to each other -

0:34:010:34:03

and Mr Andre and I are going to have a quick test now.

0:34:030:34:06

-Are we? Excellent.

-Yeah.

0:34:060:34:08

-Hang on, here we go.

-Shh, shh.

0:34:080:34:10

-Listen.

-Look at these big colourful shapes again.

0:34:100:34:13

-Wow!

-This is a Tangram puzzle.

0:34:130:34:16

Mr Andre and I's task is to make this shape out of these.

0:34:160:34:21

Right. So shall we go for the ends first?

0:34:210:34:24

So if I... One...

0:34:240:34:26

Tangram puzzles use seven geometric shapes

0:34:260:34:29

that can be arranged into various complex patterns.

0:34:290:34:32

A green triangle that needs to go...

0:34:330:34:36

To be good at it, you need to be able to manipulate shapes,

0:34:360:34:39

understanding how they fit together

0:34:390:34:41

and how they change when you flip or rotate them.

0:34:410:34:44

-There we go.

-Wow. That took some thinking, didn't it?

0:34:440:34:48

This trains the temporal lobes of the brain

0:34:480:34:50

that are responsible for processing shapes.

0:34:500:34:53

-There we go.

-That was good.

0:34:540:34:58

-Teamwork.

-Well done.

0:34:580:35:00

Teamwork!

0:35:000:35:01

Now, you're each going to get one,

0:35:010:35:04

and you're going to practise right now with one particular shape.

0:35:040:35:08

OK, this is the shape I'd like you to make.

0:35:080:35:11

You've got it in front of you. What does it remind you of?

0:35:110:35:13

-Boat.

-A sailboat. Yeah.

0:35:130:35:16

Away you go.

0:35:160:35:17

This looks easy.

0:35:200:35:22

I've given the children ten minutes

0:35:270:35:29

to try and reproduce the shape that looks like a ship.

0:35:290:35:32

If you're a boy who's been playing

0:35:320:35:34

with Lego or Minecraft his whole life,

0:35:340:35:37

you're much more likely to be better at this type of task

0:35:370:35:40

and more confident in it,

0:35:400:35:42

and have confidence in those subjects like maths and physics.

0:35:420:35:46

-Done! Done!

-It looks like the boys have done it before.

0:35:460:35:48

So is it that they're more practised at it, more rehearsed?

0:35:480:35:51

And the point of this is to give them all an even playing field,

0:35:510:35:55

in terms of rehearsal,

0:35:550:35:56

-practise and exercising that part of the brain.

-Yeah.

0:35:560:36:00

Grace, these are even wrong.

0:36:000:36:04

Both Grace and Tiffany scored in the bottom half of the class when tested

0:36:040:36:08

on their self-confidence in maths.

0:36:080:36:10

Which point comes off?

0:36:140:36:17

Look at that point in the shape of it.

0:36:170:36:20

On the sheet it doesn't look the same as the...

0:36:200:36:23

same shapes as the wooden block ones.

0:36:230:36:27

There's a couple, actually.

0:36:290:36:30

-Tiffany's really struggled.

-I think, you know, 15 minutes a day,

0:36:300:36:35

ten minutes a day, not long out of the school day

0:36:350:36:38

could really help exercise this and get them all up.

0:36:380:36:41

These are great maths problems as well, you know.

0:36:410:36:43

Would this fall into your numeracy type...?

0:36:430:36:45

-Absolutely.

-Brilliant. Brilliant.

0:36:450:36:47

There's clearly a huge gap between boys and girls,

0:36:470:36:51

which I hope this intervention will go some way to closing.

0:36:510:36:54

There we go, I'm done.

0:36:540:36:58

Graham's class isn't unique.

0:36:580:37:01

It's worrying to think that the difference I've seen here

0:37:010:37:03

could well be found in other classrooms in the country.

0:37:030:37:07

And I don't think people are doing enough,

0:37:100:37:13

leaving generation after generation of little girls

0:37:130:37:16

excluded from future careers that require abilities in stem subjects.

0:37:160:37:21

It's five to three.

0:37:230:37:25

It's home time already.

0:37:260:37:28

So, Riley, Louis and Cara, off you go to games club.

0:37:280:37:31

The rest of you can go home.

0:37:310:37:33

It's easy to think that boys are just better

0:37:360:37:39

when it comes to developing their spatial awareness skills.

0:37:390:37:43

That girls don't like playing in that kind of way.

0:37:460:37:49

They naturally prefer dolls to boys' toys.

0:37:490:37:52

I want to put that to the test

0:37:550:37:57

because I'm pretty sure that that idea is rubbish.

0:37:570:38:00

Toys are just toys.

0:38:000:38:03

So I'm going to conduct an experiment -

0:38:070:38:09

something a little unorthodox.

0:38:090:38:12

I've gathered some babies and swapped their clothes.

0:38:120:38:16

For the next couple of hours,

0:38:170:38:19

Marnie becomes Oliver

0:38:190:38:21

and Edward becomes Sophie because I want to see the kinds of behaviours

0:38:210:38:26

and assumptions adult volunteers make

0:38:260:38:28

when they think they're playing with a little boy or girl,

0:38:280:38:31

even when they're not.

0:38:310:38:32

Look at this.

0:38:320:38:34

Look at this. Would you like a dolly?

0:38:340:38:36

Shall we go for the dolly? There's a good girl.

0:38:360:38:39

You're a good little girl, aren't you, Sophie?

0:38:390:38:42

Look, what does this say?

0:38:420:38:43

"Sweet dreams."

0:38:430:38:45

"Sweet dreams."

0:38:450:38:47

Oh, and what's this?

0:38:530:38:54

Ooh! Look at this, Sophie!

0:38:540:38:57

What's startling is the assumption that,

0:38:570:38:59

because Edward is dressed as a girl,

0:38:590:39:01

the adult thinks he wants to play with the soft toy.

0:39:010:39:04

Meow, meow.

0:39:050:39:07

Not the toys that encourage understanding

0:39:100:39:12

shapes or being physically confident.

0:39:120:39:14

Do you think she had any favourites?

0:39:140:39:17

Yes, I do. I think she liked that pink dolly the best.

0:39:170:39:20

If I were to tell you actually that Sophie is Edward...

0:39:200:39:22

-Ah!

-..does that change anything?

0:39:220:39:25

I maybe thought, "Oh, this is a little girl,

0:39:250:39:27

"so I have to give her little girl things."

0:39:270:39:30

-You made the choice for this infant to play with that doll.

-Yeah.

0:39:300:39:34

What I'm saying is,

0:39:340:39:35

when adults choose for the children how they play,

0:39:350:39:38

what with, what role they're going to have

0:39:380:39:41

then they're going to end up there.

0:39:410:39:43

-Yes.

-One, two, three.

0:39:430:39:45

Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep!

0:39:460:39:49

What do you want to play with?

0:39:490:39:51

Do you want to see my robot?

0:39:510:39:53

She's picked the robot, the car, the puzzle game.

0:39:550:39:59

I think she's been much more physical in handling the child

0:39:590:40:02

than the other adults have been with girls.

0:40:020:40:05

Say hello.

0:40:050:40:08

Say hello.

0:40:080:40:09

Hello.

0:40:090:40:10

Hello!

0:40:100:40:12

What's this one?

0:40:130:40:16

What's that one do?

0:40:160:40:17

Is that a robot?

0:40:170:40:18

What about this one?

0:40:180:40:20

You like that one.

0:40:210:40:23

What does this one do?

0:40:230:40:25

Right, OK.

0:40:250:40:26

Oliver.

0:40:260:40:29

-Oliver.

-You've gone for, you could say, boy toys...

0:40:290:40:32

-Possibly. Possibly.

-..for this boy.

0:40:320:40:34

Possibly, in my subconscious.

0:40:340:40:35

For me, I was just going for what was around me,

0:40:350:40:38

but perhaps my subconscious was automatically playing a trick on me.

0:40:380:40:42

If I tell you that he is actually a girl.

0:40:420:40:44

-Really?

-Yes.

0:40:440:40:47

Oh, wow! That's really interesting.

0:40:470:40:50

I suppose it's because of the stereotype.

0:40:500:40:52

And then that changed your behaviour towards the child.

0:40:520:40:54

-Yes, it did. It did.

-And your behaviour was quite directive.

0:40:540:40:58

-I can't lie.

-So how does that make you feel?

0:40:580:41:00

You changed your behaviour.

0:41:000:41:02

Really shocking, because children today,

0:41:020:41:05

we're trying to teach children that you can be what you want to be,

0:41:050:41:09

but yet we're still forcing an identity on a child.

0:41:090:41:13

This identity based on how we think a child should act isn't harmless.

0:41:160:41:21

It has much deeper and longer-lasting consequences

0:41:230:41:26

than choosing which toy to play with.

0:41:260:41:29

Gender differences in emotional health.

0:41:290:41:31

So here, it says women with anxiety disorders are more likely

0:41:310:41:34

to internalise, which results in typically loneliness,

0:41:340:41:38

withdrawal and depression.

0:41:380:41:40

Men, on the other hand, are more likely to externalise,

0:41:400:41:43

which leads to aggression, impulsive behaviour,

0:41:430:41:46

coercive and noncompliant behaviour.

0:41:460:41:49

There's an article. "Are men natural-born criminals?

0:41:490:41:52

"Prison numbers don't lie."

0:41:520:41:54

So less than 5% of the country's prison population is female.

0:41:540:41:57

People who research masculinity in prisons.

0:41:570:41:59

"Men don't cry. Men take it on the chin. You can't be soft."

0:41:590:42:03

Simply being born a boy

0:42:030:42:05

means you're much more likely to end up in prison,

0:42:050:42:08

but then they're much more likely to earn more than a girl.

0:42:080:42:11

The gender pay gap.

0:42:110:42:13

There are less women full stop in the top 100 companies

0:42:130:42:17

as bosses than there are men called John.

0:42:170:42:20

The sum of all these statistics...

0:42:200:42:22

Well, there's potential for it to be really quite sinister, or insidious,

0:42:220:42:26

if you don't stop to think about why.

0:42:260:42:29

These statistics have really brought it home to me that some children

0:42:320:42:36

across the country have a difficult and uncertain adult life because of

0:42:360:42:40

what we tell them it means to be a man or a woman.

0:42:400:42:43

I'm determined more than ever to make a difference

0:42:480:42:51

for Graham's class, so I've asked him to have another look

0:42:510:42:55

at his classroom to make sure every last bit of difference is removed.

0:42:550:42:59

It's not something I've thought about before,

0:42:590:43:02

so it's things like the superheroes.

0:43:020:43:04

These books are really aimed squarely at the boys.

0:43:040:43:07

It is the boys that go for them...the majority of the time.

0:43:070:43:10

Very occasionally, a girl will,

0:43:100:43:11

but it is quite a gender-based bookcase,

0:43:110:43:14

which doesn't really give out the right signals.

0:43:140:43:17

Graham is right to be concerned.

0:43:170:43:19

A study by the Florida State University

0:43:190:43:21

found that, in 6,000 books, only 31% had a central female character.

0:43:210:43:27

I just wonder up and down the country

0:43:280:43:31

how many class book shelves are just like this.

0:43:310:43:34

It's hard. What do we replace these books with?

0:43:340:43:38

While another study found that the boys featured in the stories

0:43:380:43:42

celebrated negative traits, like excessive competitiveness...

0:43:420:43:46

What's more important? Friendship or winning?

0:43:460:43:48

Winning, because you might get money.

0:43:480:43:50

..and aggression.

0:43:500:43:52

I think it's better to be a boy

0:43:520:43:53

because girls don't like guns as much as boys.

0:43:530:43:56

And I think reading books with passive princesses

0:43:560:43:59

and aggressive heroes makes it all the more likely

0:43:590:44:02

for the children to accept these behaviours as normal.

0:44:020:44:05

Do you think boys are braver than girls?

0:44:050:44:08

Yeah, because sometimes girls are frightened

0:44:080:44:11

and sometimes boys are not.

0:44:110:44:13

What are girls better than boys at?

0:44:130:44:16

Being pretty...

0:44:160:44:18

..and wearing dresses.

0:44:200:44:22

I'm really keen to change Mr Andre's classroom

0:44:220:44:26

into a space full of messages to counter those ideas,

0:44:260:44:30

so these books are really going to challenge

0:44:300:44:33

some of the traditional roles.

0:44:330:44:35

There's a book here where the princess

0:44:350:44:38

saves the prince from the monster

0:44:380:44:40

and that's really good to just give them an idea

0:44:400:44:42

there are different characters out there.

0:44:420:44:44

Shh! And listening carefully.

0:44:440:44:46

I've left these books for Graham's next reading class.

0:44:460:44:50

"Chapter three.

0:44:510:44:52

"No-one knew the princess in Black Secret except her faithful steed."

0:44:520:45:00

OK, what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask some of you to tell us

0:45:000:45:04

about the book that you've been reading.

0:45:040:45:06

This girl called Stella,

0:45:060:45:09

she always dreamed that she caught the googly moogly.

0:45:090:45:13

What sort of things did she need to show to go and catch the googly moogly?

0:45:130:45:16

What did she need to be, do you think?

0:45:160:45:18

-Confident.

-Confident.

0:45:180:45:20

-What else did she need to be?

-Brave.

0:45:200:45:23

And do you think she was brave?

0:45:230:45:26

Right, Bella.

0:45:260:45:27

Our story is The Princess In Black and The Perfect Princess Party.

0:45:270:45:31

There's a princess,

0:45:310:45:33

and she has this special ring that tells her if there's monsters

0:45:330:45:38

attacking, and there was a monster attacking, and she saved people.

0:45:380:45:44

Wow. So she's like a normal princess, but she's got superpowers,

0:45:440:45:48

-is that right?

-Yeah.

-Do you prefer her when she's like this...

0:45:480:45:52

or do you think she's better when she's like that?

0:45:520:45:55

-That one.

-Why do you like that princess better, then?

0:45:550:45:57

Because the other one is a bit too girlie girl.

0:45:570:45:59

The other one's a bit too girlie girl and this one's...

0:45:590:46:02

She has to be quite brave, I should imagine, yeah?

0:46:020:46:04

I do not like reading, but I like reading that book.

0:46:040:46:07

So you don't like reading much, but you really liked reading this book? That's really good, Bella.

0:46:070:46:11

The frustrating thing is just how easy this is.

0:46:120:46:15

It only takes a few books to change the children's minds,

0:46:150:46:19

to offer them alternatives to macho men and passive women,

0:46:190:46:23

which should affect the boys' empathy and the girls' self-esteem

0:46:230:46:26

when we retest the children - and, if they keep reading,

0:46:260:46:30

I hope well into adult life.

0:46:300:46:32

Do you think these books are better than our last books?

0:46:350:46:37

Thumb up. Excellent.

0:46:370:46:39

So I think these new books are a real hit, don't you?

0:46:390:46:41

-Yeah!

-Yeah, excellent.

0:46:410:46:44

Fantastic. Can we carefully line up at the door, please?

0:46:440:46:47

So, Lexi, you've got to do the vote

0:46:560:46:58

and you've got to choose a 100-word challenge.

0:46:580:47:01

To be honest, I'm really proud of what I've done so far.

0:47:010:47:03

Just to have this number's good.

0:47:030:47:06

Graham might be feeling positive, but I'm keen,

0:47:060:47:09

two weeks into my time at Lanesend,

0:47:090:47:12

to hear what changes he's seeing in the children.

0:47:120:47:14

And do you think they've noticed some changes?

0:47:140:47:17

Yeah, I do think they've definitely noticed changes.

0:47:170:47:20

They're taking it on board.

0:47:200:47:22

They are making links between, you know,

0:47:220:47:23

these positive signs and things that we're saying in the classroom.

0:47:230:47:27

I think what will be interesting to see at the end,

0:47:270:47:29

to see how much they've changed in a relatively short space of time.

0:47:290:47:32

Has there been any resistance from one or two of them?

0:47:320:47:35

No, not really.

0:47:350:47:36

Not with anything that we've done yet but, you know...

0:47:360:47:38

You don't know what's to come.

0:47:380:47:39

Exactly. It's still early days!

0:47:390:47:42

Next, I want to challenge another of the areas from our testing -

0:47:460:47:50

what the children think about strength.

0:47:500:47:53

I'm going to say some words.

0:47:560:47:58

-Yeah?

-And I want you to say if they're a boy or a girl word.

0:47:580:48:02

Strong.

0:48:030:48:04

Boy.

0:48:040:48:06

Weak.

0:48:060:48:08

Woman.

0:48:080:48:11

Girl!

0:48:110:48:12

Strong.

0:48:120:48:13

A boy word,

0:48:130:48:15

because they're stronger than girls.

0:48:150:48:17

Boys.

0:48:170:48:18

Boys, because they run round more.

0:48:180:48:21

Boys, because they go to the gym more.

0:48:210:48:23

I think strong is a boy word because

0:48:230:48:26

normally boys have really strong muscles.

0:48:260:48:29

If you look at the world's strongest person, he's a boy.

0:48:290:48:33

In the children's minds there is no doubt - boys are stronger,

0:48:330:48:36

they've got bigger muscles, and girls aren't comparable in any way.

0:48:360:48:40

As a doctor, I've got an understanding of our bodies,

0:48:400:48:43

how we grow, how we change,

0:48:430:48:45

and what I know is that there's actually no difference

0:48:450:48:48

in muscle mass and strength between boys and girls

0:48:480:48:50

right up until the age of puberty.

0:48:500:48:52

But strength isn't just about biology.

0:48:520:48:57

Our testing showed that the boys had limited vocabulary

0:48:570:49:00

around expressing their emotions,

0:49:000:49:02

that they linked being strong with not showing how they felt.

0:49:020:49:08

-Do you cry?

-No, but I do get angry.

0:49:080:49:10

And what happens when you get angry?

0:49:100:49:13

Ah, I try breaking my bed

0:49:130:49:14

and I break my Lego.

0:49:140:49:17

-Do you cry?

-Yeah.

0:49:170:49:19

I think girls cry more because, erm,

0:49:190:49:24

because boys are stronger and they can hold their tears in.

0:49:240:49:29

What about crying?

0:49:300:49:32

-Do you cry?

-No.

0:49:320:49:34

Is it OK for boys to cry?

0:49:340:49:36

No, because they're strong.

0:49:360:49:38

These children have such different ideas when it comes to strength

0:49:400:49:43

and there really is no reason for it.

0:49:430:49:46

I want them to understand just how similar

0:49:460:49:49

they are in terms of physical strength,

0:49:490:49:51

even if that forces the boys to challenge the belief that they

0:49:510:49:55

will always come out as the strongest,

0:49:550:49:58

so I've built a little surprise for them - on their playing fields.

0:49:580:50:02

Let's march.

0:50:030:50:04

Right, come around here.

0:50:060:50:08

OK, kids, now we are going to...

0:50:080:50:12

-test your strength!

-Yes!

0:50:120:50:15

-How hard do you need to hit to get ten?

-Sh, listen.

0:50:150:50:18

But before we get to doing that, you've got one minute now.

0:50:180:50:22

I want you all to line yourselves up, from strongest to weakest - go.

0:50:220:50:29

Everyone's running to the left!

0:50:310:50:33

So I want to see a line.

0:50:330:50:35

Addy says he's in the middle.

0:50:350:50:37

-I am not strong.

-Me, too!

0:50:370:50:39

Kara puts herself at the end.

0:50:390:50:41

No, I'm stronger than you!

0:50:410:50:42

-How do you know?

-I'm stronger than you.

0:50:420:50:44

Mr Andre, they won't let me go where I am now!

0:50:440:50:46

Why, do you think you're the strongest, then, Riley?

0:50:460:50:49

-Pushed me out.

-Move over a bit.

0:50:490:50:51

-Yeah, but I'm trying to get into my...

-Boys, we're not fighting.

0:50:510:50:53

They won't let me go there!

0:50:530:50:55

There's been a bundle for who's the strongest.

0:50:550:50:58

A little scuffle for the boys,

0:50:580:51:01

trying to put themselves in the strongest position.

0:51:010:51:04

No compromise, but there's certainly a preponderance for boys

0:51:040:51:08

at the strongest end and girls at the weaker end.

0:51:080:51:11

Knowing that these children are more or less equal

0:51:120:51:14

when it comes to their biology, this isn't really about strength.

0:51:140:51:18

Right, thank you very much for doing that.

0:51:180:51:20

Now, come back together.

0:51:200:51:21

I believe it's about the children's self-confidence

0:51:210:51:25

and levels of self-esteem.

0:51:250:51:27

So, I'm going to ask each one of you to tell Mr Andre and I

0:51:270:51:32

what you think you're actually going to score.

0:51:320:51:35

-Ronnie, what do you think you'll score?

-Ten.

-Ten?!

0:51:350:51:39

Our tests showed that the girls massively underestimated

0:51:390:51:42

what they thought they could achieve.

0:51:420:51:44

Lily, you think you'll score...

0:51:450:51:47

-Five.

-OK.

0:51:470:51:48

Tiffany, what do you think you might score?

0:51:480:51:50

Five.

0:51:500:51:51

But with a simple demonstration of how strong they really are,

0:51:510:51:55

I can challenge that and hopefully improve their levels of confidence.

0:51:550:51:59

-Lexi?

-I think I'll score a five.

0:52:010:52:04

What do you think you'll score, Bradley?

0:52:040:52:06

-Nine.

-Riley, what do you think you'll score?

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Ten. I'll break the bell.

0:52:090:52:10

-OK.

-Some quite high predictions there.

0:52:100:52:13

Yes. Now, kids, thank you for doing that.

0:52:130:52:16

One by one, you're now going to come up and test your strength.

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They will each have three attempts to ring the bell.

0:52:200:52:23

What happens if we miss the button?

0:52:230:52:25

-If you miss the button, that's it.

-You'll just have to put zero.

0:52:250:52:28

Yeah, absolutely, Lily.

0:52:280:52:30

OK, Orion.

0:52:300:52:32

Choose your weapon.

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-Thor's hammer!

-Three goes each.

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Hand-eye coordination - concentrate.

0:52:350:52:37

Two.

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Two.

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Four!

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Go, Bella.

0:52:430:52:45

-Yes.

-Oh, five.

0:52:450:52:47

Hey!

0:52:470:52:49

Well done, Bella.

0:52:490:52:51

That's close to a ten, wasn't it?

0:52:510:52:53

Oh! He missed it.

0:52:530:52:56

Go on, Louis, give it a good effort.

0:52:560:52:59

Go for it, Lily.

0:53:010:53:03

Oh!

0:53:030:53:04

Lexi, have you had a go?

0:53:050:53:07

Come on, Lexi.

0:53:070:53:09

Lexi estimated that she would score just five out of ten.

0:53:090:53:15

You can do it, Lexi.

0:53:150:53:17

BELL DINGS

0:53:230:53:24

SCREAMING

0:53:240:53:26

All right, Lexi. Well done, Lexi.

0:53:260:53:29

Sh!

0:53:300:53:32

Hey! Are you all right, Lexi?

0:53:320:53:35

-What's up? Are you a bit overwhelmed?

-Yeah.

0:53:350:53:38

Crying because you're happy?

0:53:390:53:41

Why are you happy, then, Lexi?

0:53:410:53:44

Because I didn't think I could do it at first.

0:53:440:53:47

Yeah, and you're really happy because you did?

0:53:470:53:50

We're really happy because you did, too.

0:53:500:53:51

Is it happy tears?

0:53:510:53:53

That's all right, then. We don't mind happy tears.

0:53:530:53:55

That's brilliant, Lexi. Well done, you.

0:53:550:53:58

-Excellent!

-Lexi, I'll get you a well done card

0:53:580:54:00

and I'll send it at your house.

0:54:000:54:02

Next up, Riley.

0:54:020:54:04

He has predicted hitting the bell and getting a maximum score of ten.

0:54:040:54:08

I'm going to break that bell!

0:54:080:54:10

-Come on, then, Riley.

-Move!

0:54:100:54:13

Good luck, Riley.

0:54:130:54:15

-Oh.

-Does that count?

0:54:160:54:17

-Yeah!

-I can't hit it!

0:54:170:54:20

-Oh!

-I can't hit it, I can't hit it.

0:54:200:54:23

Don't worry, Riley.

0:54:230:54:25

HE CRIES

0:54:250:54:27

I can't hit it!

0:54:270:54:30

HE SCREAMS

0:54:300:54:33

When we tested the boys,

0:54:330:54:34

63% of them had problems dealing with their emotions,

0:54:340:54:38

including Riley.

0:54:380:54:40

Why do you think that happened?

0:54:400:54:43

Why are you kicking the hay? HE SCREAMS

0:54:430:54:46

I don't want to do it any more!

0:54:460:54:47

But do you think you're going to get a chance

0:54:470:54:49

if you do it again at the end? Of course you are, yes.

0:54:490:54:52

Yeah, but it wouldn't count as my proper score!

0:54:520:54:55

Why do you think it didn't work?

0:54:550:54:56

Oh, I don't know! But it won't count as my proper score!

0:54:560:55:00

No, it doesn't matter. It's all about trying, isn't it?

0:55:000:55:03

Why are you so upset now?

0:55:030:55:05

Because I always get ten on them.

0:55:050:55:07

Aren't you even happy that your friends did well?

0:55:070:55:10

-No.

-Why not?

0:55:100:55:11

I always win everything!

0:55:110:55:14

So you...you're quite competitive, aren't you?

0:55:140:55:17

So, listen, when you throw yourself on the mud like that,

0:55:170:55:19

what's that achieving?

0:55:190:55:21

-Don't know.

-Why do you have that reaction?

0:55:230:55:26

Because I'm angry.

0:55:260:55:28

Riley was overconfident

0:55:300:55:32

and, of course, he got upset in front of the whole class

0:55:320:55:36

not scoring anything.

0:55:360:55:37

He doesn't use words to describe negative emotions

0:55:370:55:40

and that's quite telling.

0:55:400:55:43

-Shh! Listen.

-Right, what do we see here?

0:55:430:55:46

Look at Grace. She thought she'd get six - she got ten.

0:55:460:55:49

Kara thought she'd get six - she got ten.

0:55:490:55:52

-Ronnie, Bradley...

-Lily, Lexi - down here, Lexi, five...

0:55:520:55:57

So many of you got ten.

0:55:570:55:59

What I want to tell you is this -

0:55:590:56:01

at your age, boys and girls have exactly the same strength.

0:56:010:56:05

-But we all got different scores!

-As long as...

0:56:050:56:07

That's a good point, Kara.

0:56:070:56:09

If you're the same size as another boy or girl,

0:56:090:56:12

your muscles are exactly as strong as each other.

0:56:120:56:15

So what do you think about that?

0:56:150:56:16

Boys and girls are as strong as each other!

0:56:160:56:18

SHOUTING

0:56:180:56:21

Not a surprise, and good for them,

0:56:210:56:23

to see the boys having confidence in themselves and estimating

0:56:230:56:26

they'll score highly.

0:56:260:56:27

But with the girls - why do they underestimate themselves?

0:56:270:56:30

Six of the girls thought they'd score six points or less

0:56:300:56:34

and, in fact, five of them then scored ten.

0:56:340:56:36

So they are achieving what the boys can achieve.

0:56:360:56:39

They're seeing that they can do that,

0:56:390:56:41

but they don't have the belief in themselves in the first place,

0:56:410:56:44

and hopefully all that we're doing is going to change that.

0:56:440:56:47

I can't get it!

0:56:490:56:51

I thought I was going to get a five and I was happy crying

0:56:510:56:55

because I got a ten.

0:56:550:56:58

I feel really happy and proud of myself.

0:56:590:57:03

Before I did this, I think that boys were stronger than girls

0:57:030:57:06

because everyone just said that,

0:57:060:57:09

but now I think that girls and boys can be strong.

0:57:090:57:12

Seeing the girls actually coming up and achieving as good,

0:57:120:57:17

if not better - most of them were far better -

0:57:170:57:19

but I think actually that's probably instilled in them that confidence,

0:57:190:57:23

so actually to see that change, and I think it is a real change,

0:57:230:57:28

it's exciting.

0:57:280:57:30

Well done!

0:57:300:57:32

Lexi's done it.

0:57:320:57:33

But today hasn't been a total success.

0:57:330:57:37

-Riley?

-Can I have another one?

-Well, I think you can in a minute, yeah.

0:57:370:57:40

Do you know what? The first time you do it and,

0:57:400:57:42

if you miss, take your time, OK?

0:57:420:57:44

And be positive.

0:57:440:57:46

You can do it.

0:57:460:57:47

Although Lexi's had a really nice breakthrough,

0:57:490:57:51

this represents a big setback for Riley

0:57:510:57:54

and there are 23 children in the class.

0:57:540:57:57

I've been here two weeks, three weeks.

0:57:570:57:59

I'm worried that all I've done is upset a load of kids

0:57:590:58:03

and none of this is having the slightest effect.

0:58:030:58:06

I've realised just how entrenched these differences are

0:58:060:58:10

for boys and girls and that interventions

0:58:100:58:12

in the classroom aren't going to be enough.

0:58:120:58:15

Do you like being a girlie girl?

0:58:180:58:21

-Yeah.

-..I take the fight home to the parents...

0:58:210:58:24

Because it's all very pink and girlie.

0:58:240:58:26

Wow! ..challenging them...

0:58:260:58:28

Yes, I'm afraid that has to go.

0:58:280:58:30

-..and the children...

-He said, "Look, Mum, I've got a handgun -

0:58:300:58:33

"you can't take this one off me."

0:58:330:58:36

..before finding out if I have succeeded...

0:58:360:58:39

I want it to go back to boys and girls.

0:58:390:58:42

..with my class of gender-neutral seven-year-olds.

0:58:420:58:44

I've turned these kids into monsters.

0:58:440:58:46

The girls... They were never like it before!

0:58:460:58:49

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