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We live in a country where men and women are meant to be equal - | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
same pay, same careers, same opportunities - | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
but children as young as seven | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
think the boys and girls are fundamentally different... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
I think boys are cleverer than girls. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Men are better at, like, being in charge? | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
I would describe a girl as being pretty. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
..and that these differences will define the lives | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
they live as adults. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
If the woman has a child, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
the men have to go to work and earn some money. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
Men are more successful because they could have more harder jobs. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
I don't believe that biology alone can explain these differences. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
I think the answer lies in the society we live in. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
I'm Dr Javed Abdelmoneim. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
What if they called you all sweet pea? | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
ALL: No! | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
I'm going to find out if by turning a class of seven-year-old primary schoolchildren... | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
-What are we doing? -..gender neutral... | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
You've got to start going to the same toilet. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
ALL: No! | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
..I can change the way they think about themselves... | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
Everyone can have a chance to do what they like. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
..and the way they think about their future. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
I do not like reading but I like reading that book. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
And if I can do that, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
perhaps there's a chance of making their adult lives really equal. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
"Made to be underpaid" - would you dress your daughter in that? | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
It kind of makes... | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
Something that seems so innocent not really that innocent after all. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
But it isn't going to be easy. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
I don't want to do it anymore! | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
I want it to go back to boys and girls. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
They didn't think I could do it at first. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
What we're trying do could actually be very difficult. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
I think you're going to struggle. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Every child deserves the same opportunities in life, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
but unless we stop treating our boys and girls differently, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
that simply isn't going to happen. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
This is Lanesend Primary School on the Isle of Wight... | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
Can you please line up ready for assembly? | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
..a local school with a good academic record... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
..run by headteacher Caroline Sice. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
Good morning, everyone. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
ALL: Good morning, Mrs Sice. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
300 boys and girls, ranging in age from five to 11. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
Graham Andre teaches one of the two year three classes. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Right, how could you describe the gladiator? | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
-Mr Andre. -How are you? | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Sorry to interrupt... | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
23 seven-year-old children, who were born between 2008-2009. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
-Hello, everyone. ALL: -Hello! | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
The same time that the UK was drafting the Equality Act, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
the most comprehensive legislation | 0:02:50 | 0:02:51 | |
anywhere in the world against sex discrimination. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
Would you like to share what you've written? | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
These children have lived their entire lives in a world | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
that says it wants men and women to be treated the same. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
Get things written down. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
But is that how things really are? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
Come on, Amber, give it a go, love. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
Maisie, what we're doing, love, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
is we're saying we're gladiators, so we're describing what we're seeing. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
It seems to me that if we treat boys and girls differently | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
that's how they will see themselves. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
Nancy. Finger spaces, of course, my love. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
We always needs finger spaces. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
But if we treat them the same, maybe we can transform their views | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
and alter what the future might hold for them. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
So what do the children in Graham's class | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
think about how different or similar they are? | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
Men are better because they're stronger | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
and they've got more jobs... | 0:03:50 | 0:03:53 | |
I think. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
I would describe a girl as pretty, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
lipstick, | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
dresses, love hearts. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Boys can only do football. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
Why is it only boys can play football? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
Because they're fitter and stronger. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
I think strong is a boy word because | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
they can fight lots of people. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
Right, tell me, who's more important - girls or boys? | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Morely like boys because they can protect girls more. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
I think men are more successful | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
because they could have more harder jobs | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
and they would earn more. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
I think men are better at, | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
like, being in charge. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
I think boys are cleverer than girls because | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
they don't... | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
they get into president easily, don't they? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
Louis? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
I think, from the moment they're born, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
they are aware of gender. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
Those children are becoming that mind-set, this is what they are, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
the boys will play football, the girls will do drawing and art. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
They will tell me what jobs they can or can't do, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
so it's very much that they've still got very set views | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
on what is acceptable for their gender. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
Shhh! | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
Right, Riley, we need to be quiet. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Everyone. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:10 | |
It's common sense | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
that there are basic biological differences between the sexes, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
but do these differences explain the way the children think? | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
To find out, I've come to see Professor Gina Rippon, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
one of the country's leading experts in neuroimaging, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
to see if there's something about how the children's brains work | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
that could explain it. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
What are the differences between boys' and girls' brains, anatomically? | 0:05:34 | 0:05:39 | |
The 64,000 question. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
Structurally, there appears to be very, very few differences, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
which is quite a surprise to a lot of people who have assumed for hundreds of years | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
that males and females are different because their brains are different. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
So you couldn't look at a brain scan and say, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
"That's the brain scan of a male or a brain scan of a female." | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
That really doesn't explain why boys and girls might behave differently, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
then, if you say the structure of the brains are... | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
There's no differentiation between the structure. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
Well, the other thing that we now know | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
about is that the brain is very, very plastic, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
mouldable, changeable, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
that something isn't necessarily fixed and invariant, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
which was always thought about the brain. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
What we now know is that brain development | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
is very much entangled with society, experiences, upbringing, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:24 | |
and the differences we're seeing are not because they were | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
determined at the moment of conception. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
It's because this hungry brain arrives in the world | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
and the world is instantly plunging it into a tsunami of pink and blue, | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
and I think we have not been aware, until recently, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
of how big that influence is. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
If Gina's right, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
the differences between boys and girls aren't set in stone. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
They're there because their experiences have taught them | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
different skills and mental attitudes... | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Can you phone people on your phone and text and stuff? | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
-No. I haven't got a Sim card or any credit. -Haven't you? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
..which means I should be able to reduce the differences | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
between the boys and girls in Graham's class of seven-year-olds. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
What I need the boys to do is some pictures because the girls at the moment... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
Research at Stanford University has said that seven is a key age | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
for children because it's at this point that they are beginning | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
to have fixed ideas | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
about the differences between a man and a woman. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
Excellent! Amber, would you like to share yours? | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
But not so fixed that they can't still be changed. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
Five and two, they'd be quite loud. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
Think about the patterns in the twos and the five times table. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
-Riley? -Ten. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
So I've asked Dr Stella Mavroveli from the Psychometric Lab, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
University College London, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
to run a series of tests | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
to gather some data measuring these differences. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
So, I am a scientist. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
I work with children and adults and I help them learn a little bit more | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
about themselves, and you will be helping us learn a lot more about children your age. | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
These tests will look at the differences between the boys and girls when it comes to... | 0:08:00 | 0:08:06 | |
One is only men, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:07 | |
two is only women, and three is both men and women. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
So these are jobs, OK? | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
..their levels of self-esteem... | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
..how clever they think they are, known as perceived intelligence. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
..their understanding and levels of empathy... | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
If my mother is happy, I also feel happy. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
..assertiveness... | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
..and how good they are resisting impulses to act - | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
a trait that is linked to aggression, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
bad behaviour and lying... | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
You will be allowed to eat one sweet, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
but then you've got to leave the rest until the end of the day. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
-No! -No! -Yay. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Right, we need to get back on with our maths. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
I'm protecting mine. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:57 | |
The wall might stop them. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
Then the Roman couldn't get in there. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
..and how much vocabulary they have to describe their emotions. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
Happy. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:08 | |
Excited. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
Joyful. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
Smiley. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:13 | |
Funny. Joyful. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
Um... | 0:09:17 | 0:09:18 | |
Fun. Family. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Love. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:24 | |
Excited. Enjoyable. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
Er... | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
I don't know. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:32 | |
Can't think of any. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
I can't think of any. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Graham also scored each of the children | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
for levels of classroom behaviour, hyperactivity and poor conduct. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
Thank you so much. You've done amazingly well. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
I'm collecting them. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:50 | |
Stella has sent me the results of the week of tests | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
and they are shocking. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:58 | |
I'm seeing here evidence | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
that the girls significantly underestimate | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
how clever they are and have less self-esteem and self-confidence, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
and the boys can't seem to express their emotions, except anger, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
which is really disturbing. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:13 | |
And the girls seem to use words such as, ugly, lipstick, pretty - | 0:10:13 | 0:10:20 | |
so everything to do with looks to describe themselves. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
I'm disappointed by these results. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
Gina has told me that boys' and girls' brains are the same, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
so there's absolutely no biological reason | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
why the results should be like this. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
What is really worrying is that Lanesend is a school | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
like any other in the country, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
so if these results are true for them, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
then they're probably true for every other class in every other school. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
So I'm heading back to the Isle of Wight, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
where, for the next five weeks, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
I'm going to stage a number of classroom interventions. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
When you think about love, what does it remind you of? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
Maisie, what does it remind you of, love? | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
These are designed to tackle the differences I've seen in the boys | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
and girls in our series of tests, | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
and change them when Dr Stella retests the children | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
at the end of the term. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:17 | |
Can you sit, properly, please, Amber, love? | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Cara, love, what does love remind you of? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
And to ensure that any changes that take place | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
are down to my interventions, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
we're going to use the other year three class as a control group. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
They will be tested at the beginning and at the end, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
but, apart from that, they'll have a term of normal lessons. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
The girl would be Summer and a boy would be Sonny. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
I'll teach you all how to be Jedis. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
But before I do anything, I want to talk to Graham, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
to find out if what he knows about the children ties up with what I've found. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
So this is a really interesting thing, I think. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
It's something called perceived intelligence. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
-Right. -OK? So there was a little test and the object was to ask them | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
what score they thought they would get. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
-That's right. -And overall, many, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
many more girls underestimated what they would achieve than the boys. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
-Right, OK! -And, actually, three times as many boys overestimated what they would achieve... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:11 | |
-Wow! -..when compared to the girls. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
Girls underestimate their ability and boys overestimate. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
And, in fact, one of the girls, Lexi, there, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
estimated she would only get three out of ten, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
-but actually scored nine out of ten. -Wow! | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
Ditto for Grace and Tiffany, there. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
I definitely think that's something that we do see within class, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
that the boys actually have this greater belief | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
in their own abilities | 0:12:31 | 0:12:32 | |
and the girls seem to be a bit more quieter about it all, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
and Tiffany, Grace and Lexi, I can see, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
they're girls, actually, that are quite low on confidence. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Grace came to us from a different school and she was really low | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
on confidence, especially when it came to things like maths. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
The most telling for me, personally, was the emotional vocab. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
So we gave them a word and we asked them to give a number of words | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
-associated to that. -Right, OK. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
And across all of these emotions, bar one, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
-the girls scored more than the boys. -Wow. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
And the only one they didn't score more on was angry. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
-Wow! -So boys had more words to describe angry than girls. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
-Yeah. -But, already at this point, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:08 | |
something's happened somewhere that girls can express their emotions | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
much more. And do you see that in class? | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
Yeah, we do, actually. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
It's harder for the boys to express their feelings. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
You can ask them, they get angry sometimes and you can say to them, "Why is it you are angry?" | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
And they're like, "I just am. "I just am angry!" | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
It wasn't just differences in intelligence or emotion | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
that were revealed in our testing. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:30 | |
For self-esteem, 50% of the boys described themselves as "the best", | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
but only 10% of the girls, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
with one girl describing herself as "ugly." | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
Girls also had low scores for self-confidence, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
while boys struggled with empathy. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
It was a shock looking at some of the data in the assessment | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
that came back. There are some big challenges there for the children, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
especially the girls, that underestimated their own ability. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
And, also, there are some quite biased views about what boys | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
are expected to do and what girls are expected to do, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
and I'd really like to change that. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
That's the only thing I'm really nervous about - | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
that actually we do this and nothing happens - | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
because I really want there to be a difference. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
Oh, you got a big bit! | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
Nancy, quick! | 0:14:26 | 0:14:27 | |
The first thing I want to do is address the differences | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
that the children told me about themselves. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Wherever they look, I want them to be faced with things | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
that highlight their similarities and not their difference. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
Knock, knock! Mr Andre. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:45 | |
-Hello, Javad. -How are you all? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
CHILDREN SHOUT | 0:14:47 | 0:14:48 | |
Do you know what we're up to? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:49 | |
ALL: No. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
Right. What we're going to do | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
is we're going to try and change the classroom. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
We're going to ensure that the boys and girls are treated equally | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
because you can all do as well as each other. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
So, here, we've got some boards, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
which you're all going to help put up, | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
that says that boys are strong... | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
Yeah! | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
..but so are girls. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
-Yeah! -Girls are strong! | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
Let's start putting some stuff up, then. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
You could put it the table. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
It doesn't have to stay there for ever, it could change every week. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
Where's the best place to put this sign so that people see it? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
These signs have been written to challenge what the children themselves | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
have told me about how they view boys and girls. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
Where do you think it would have the best impact? | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
-What does yours say? -Girls are clever. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
Do you agree, girls are clever? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:35 | |
-Yeah. -Great. -How about this one goes here? | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
-I think that's a good idea. -Who had this one? | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
-Finlay. -Good job. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
Yeah. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:43 | |
That's good. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
It looks like it's just a few words on the walls, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
but it's about more than that, it's about the language, the climate, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
the environment in which the children find themselves. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
They're now receiving lots and lots and lots of small messages, | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
together, the sum of which is far greater than their parts, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
and it's telling them boys and girls are equal. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
They're in there for many hours a day, most of the days of the week, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
so it's a big thing. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
The biggest influence in the classroom is Graham. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
You two guys... | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
I want to find out from headteacher Mrs Sice | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
how she thinks he does at treating the children the same. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
Mr Andre is a great teacher, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
but his biggest strength is his relationship with the children. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
He knows those children really well. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
However, when we were doing observations, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
when he was asking questions and gathering answers, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
often would ask more boys than girls. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
Why do you think, fellas? | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
And this is what we had picked up in observations with him. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
So, yeah, really important to see if we could change Mr Andre and ensure | 0:16:48 | 0:16:54 | |
his children were getting an equal sort of experience in his classroom. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
I've got an idea that I think will do just that. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
What do you think this might be? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
What does it say on there? | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
Grace! Oh! | 0:17:05 | 0:17:06 | |
What does it say on there? | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
-Maisie. -It says our names! -Ryan. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
One of the most telling findings in the testing | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
was the girls' low levels of academic self-confidence... | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
It's got your names on it. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
..which is partly expressed in the confidence | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
that they have to speak up in class. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
We know that you might be skewed towards letting one of the kids | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
answer a question if they're noisy or loud, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
so this is a way of making it entirely fair | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
and straight down to chance. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
Brilliant. So if I pull one out and say, "Riley, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
"do you think it is a good idea?" | 0:17:36 | 0:17:37 | |
-Yeah. -You think it's a good idea? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
Yeah, it landed on me. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
Of course it's a good idea! | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
And we are going out now actually for a bit of an early break. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Lily? Come on, love. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
Anthony. What's up, mate? | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
There's little point in doing all I can to even out differences | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
when, every time Graham opens his mouth, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
he uses names that massively reinforce | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
the idea that boys and girls are different. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
Have you ever noticed that Mr Andre calls you boys "mate" or "fella"? | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
-Yeah. -He calls me mate sometimes. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
-Does he? -But you're not a man! | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
Oh! | 0:18:14 | 0:18:15 | |
So is "mate" only for men? | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
-Yeah. -No. -OK, what about this - | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
what if Mr Andre called you all sweet pea? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
-Oh, no! -Yeah! | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
-Why not? -That would be weird! | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
Sweet pea is the name for girls. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
That would be so weird! | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
From those reactions, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
it's clear that this kind of language has power... | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
..so I want to challenge Graham on his use of "love" and "mate". | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
We counted through one of your morning sessions | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
-the number of times you called girls "love", "my lovely", "darling", "sweet pea"... -Yeah. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
-Yeah. -..it was 104 times. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
Really? Ah, yeah. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:51 | |
And the boys, you called the boys "mate", "lad", "fella" or "sir". | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
-Right. -That was 47. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
OK. Do you know? I'm really aware that I do this. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
It's also the fact that you do tend to endear yourself | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
-to the girls twice as much as the boys. -Right. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
Crumbs, that's a lot, isn't it? | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
It's sort of ingrained, it's something I do, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
so I find it really hard not to do it! | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
It's all too easy to laugh this off as not really mattering, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
but constant reminders of difference sink in | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
and have a lasting effect on the children. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
I've got an idea for a way the children themselves | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
can help Graham change his ways. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
-It's a face. -What do you think it might be? | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
Here we go. So... | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
We've noticed that Mr Andre likes to call some of you "love" | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
and "sweet pea", and some of you "mate" and "fella". | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
We're going to put this up | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
and every time you hear him say "love", or "mate", | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
or "sweet pea", or "fella", or "my darling", | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
you can put a sad face next to whichever one that he's said. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:56 | |
-What do you think about that? -Yes. -Yes! | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
-I like it! -All right, but you've got to be honest with this. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
You have to be honest. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
If I stand any chance of effecting change then everything that marks the children apart as different | 0:20:02 | 0:20:08 | |
based solely on being a boy or a girl needs to be gotten rid of, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
and nothing will do that more than pet names like "love" and "mate". | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
So, yeah, you've seen the small things that we've put up all around the room | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
and how we're going to change the words we use. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
So a small beginning, but this is your new classroom. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
-What do you think? -I like it! | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
-It's just the beginning, Ronnie. -What?! -I know! | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
It's been an interesting day today, with Javid coming in. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
I am a bit worried about the board at the back of the classroom. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
I think cos the kids are part of that, too, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
they're going to keep an eye on me and help me to do that, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
and I know it's for the greater good. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
I know it will have an impact on the children. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
Would you like dinners, Louis? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:54 | |
Go and get yourself a form. Thank you, Riley. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
I look forward to seeing him. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
It's a new day at Lanesend Primary School. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
Look, two minutes and he called me "miss". | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
Mr Andre's messed up. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
And already Graham is struggling with the pet names. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
How long did it take you to say love? | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
It was about two minutes, Lily, wasn't it, this morning? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
It was a real accident, as well. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
-Lexi, you all right there, love? -You said "love"! | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
You just called Lexi "love"! | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Lexi! | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
It's much harder than I thought it was going to be. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
Although, to be fair, I do honestly think two's not too bad. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
I would have, by now, looking at 23 children, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
I would have called each one of them a term of endearment, I think, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
at least once this morning, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
so two's not too bad, but it's still not great. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
It's really, really, really hard. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
I really have to think about what I'm doing. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
Despite the changes I've brought to the classroom | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
proving a little challenging for Graham, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
he has a project of his own he wants the children to help with. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
So we've been talking about the different changes | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
that we've made in our classroom. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
We've got these signs around. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
But we need to change our cupboards because, at the moment, we've got | 0:21:56 | 0:22:02 | |
a cupboard for the boys and we have a cupboard for the girls. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
So what we want to do is we want to change that. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
We want to change it so actually, when you come in, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
you can put your coat in whichever cupboard you want to. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
So what we are going to do is paint. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
THEY GASP | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
Right! Jay looks like Joseph in his technicolor dreamcoat. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
We need to decorate it. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
I'm doing a butterfly. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
Painting a cupboard might seem a bit small, even ridiculous, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
but every time the children have a difference pointed out to them | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
and then removed, it reinforces that they are the same. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Can we make the cupboard into one big one? | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
I think you should cut off the middle bit | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
and then put them together. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
We just have a boys' cupboard and a girls' cupboard, actually, I don't know why we've done this. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
It's always been the same. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
Because they're part of the process, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
because they've been able to paint it, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
I think they will start to mix it up a little bit. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
-There we go. -Brilliant. Do you think you've done a good job? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
-Yes. -Yeah. -Yeah, I think you've done a good job. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
Excellent. And can you please line up at the door? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to queue up for assembly | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
and I'm going to pick a ball out and this person will be the line leader. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
We could have a different person each day, couldn't we? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
-Bella. -Yes! -There you go, Bella. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
It's an encouraging first step to see the children and Graham | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
being challenged by the changes I've made in the classroom. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
But next I want to tackle one of the questions | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
that all children have an answer for. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
When I grow up, I want to be a Formula 1 driver. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
When I grow up, I want to be a pop star because I like music. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
I'd like to be a RAF pilot. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
I want to be a teacher. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
As part of our testing, the children were given a long list of jobs, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
these range from ones that are traditionally thought of as either female or male, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:56 | |
like baby-sitter and plumber, | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
to less obvious ones, like baker or dentist. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
We then asked which jobs a woman would do. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
I think a hairdresser, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
a baby-sitter and a nail designer. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
And which would a man do? | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Football player, tennis pe... | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
Um... Tennis people. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
Captain of a ship. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
What was shocking was just how certain they were | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
that these jobs were only for men or women. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
And I think a hairdresser is a girl job | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
because it's a girl job. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
I think a firefighter is for a boy | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
because they need to hold up big ladders what are really heavy. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:50 | |
Boys can only be police officers | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
because they're faster, so they can catch the robbers. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:57 | |
If you thought of a nurse being a boy, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
it kind of sounds a bit weird | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
and it would kind of look a bit weird, as well. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
On one level, this sounds like harmless kid's talk, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
but at just seven years old, there is no doubt in their minds - | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
some jobs men do and some women do, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
and that is limiting. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
All right, year threes, would you like to stand up? | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
I want to try and show them | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
that it doesn't necessarily have to be that way. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
Here we go, I'm going to show you this, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
and on this are four jobs. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
Over here there's a ballet dancer, a magician, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
a make-up artist and a mechanic, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
and what I want you kids to do is to get as creative as possible. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
Draw in their body, draw in their arms. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
Imagine what tools they might need, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
imagine what colour hair they've got, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
what clothes they wear. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:48 | |
I also want you to do one thing, which is really important, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
I want you to give them a name. Ready? | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
ALL: Yes! | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
I'm doing a magician. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
I need a... | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
You want to make them naked? | 0:26:00 | 0:26:01 | |
You can do that. How many mechanics do you know that work naked? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
-Trillions. -OK. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
The jobs I've chosen aren't really the important part. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
I'm not trying to turn all the girls into wannabe magicians, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
but what I do want to do is to explore the kind of rigid thinking | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
they showed in our testing. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
So you're thinking about who might do this job, yes? | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
-A girl. -A girl, OK. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
I would put them in a normal job, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
like a make-up artist would normally be a girl | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
and a car mechanic would normally be a boy. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
Your magician is a mister, I see you've written here. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
-He's going to be Mr and then Bubbles. -OK. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
And my car mechanic, I might call him Diamond Steve, I'm not sure. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
This is Hayley, she's a ballerina | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
because most ballet dancers are a lady. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
My make-up artist is a woman, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
she's going to have a mirror and lipstick | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
cos it's make-up and lipstick's make-up | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
and usually you have mirrors for make-up. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
Yeah. It's basically a woman cos it's usually a woman. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
And the ballet dancer's called Anne | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
because lots and lots and lots of ballet dancers are girls. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
It's surprising how fixed the children's ideas are. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
Almost without exception, the mechanics and magicians are men | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
and the make-up artists and dancers women, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
but there is absolutely no reason why that should be. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
So I want to show them an alternative. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
Are we ready? | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
Come in. Come in. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:39 | |
Come in. You've all got your hands to your mouths, huh? | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
So you were drawing four people earlier, weren't you? | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
-ALL: Yes. -Are they the people on our sheets? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Why don't you introduce yourselves and we'll find out? | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
Hello, so my name's Rob and I'm a make-up artist. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
I'm Andrea and I'm a car mechanic. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Hello, my name is Dane and I'm a dancer. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
Hello, I'm Karina and I'm a magician. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
-What? -Is that surprising, Riley? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
-Yeah. -Come forward and meet them all properly, come on. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
Right, you five ladies, would you like to come with me? | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Yeah. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:14 | |
Everybody stand back then. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
I am a magician. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
Whoa! | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
So my name's Rob and I work on films like Star Wars and Avengers. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:28 | |
-Star Wars! -Yeah! | 0:28:28 | 0:28:29 | |
Meeting role models can be hugely influential. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
-Turn. -Like this or something? | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
Let's see. And go. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
Very good. Very good. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
Because what we learn from them | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
is more likely to change our behaviours and beliefs. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
-What is that? -It's part of the exhaust | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
and what it does is it collects all the nasty soot. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
Is it really, really hot? | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
It gets incredibly hot. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
-Have you girls ever met a female mechanic? -Yes. -No. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
-No. -Where have you met one? | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
-Ah! -You've met me! | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
So, Lexi, have you enjoyed meeting the mechanic? | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
Yes. I think that it's really cool that it's a girl mechanic. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
So sometimes, we might have to paint on a little black eye | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
because someone in the film, it might happen that they get punched in the face or something. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
Yeah, like Thor's brother Loki when they're fighting. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Yeah, like with Loki, yeah. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
Yeah. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:23 | |
I like it cos a boy gets the chance to be make-up artist, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
not always a girl. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
Oh, looks sore, doesn't it? | 0:29:29 | 0:29:30 | |
-It was tickling, wasn't it? -And turn left. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
And drop to the floor. And fall down. And up. And turn. And finish. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
Very good, very good. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
Who's been the coolest person you've met? | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
It's got to be the dancer because... | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
I don't know why, I just like it. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
I think they're everyone jobs | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
because everyone can have a chance to do what they like. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
This was not a hard thing to do, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
to get some people in a room and show the children | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
that there's an alternative | 0:30:00 | 0:30:01 | |
to what they think as the inevitable path for men and women. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
By making them face their own assumptions, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
we've made a lasting change. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
Boom. High five, double. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
Yeah. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:15 | |
It would be easy for schools | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
to do something like this, but they aren't | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
and that means another generation of children growing up | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
with fixed and limiting ideas about what they can achieve. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
So what do we need to say to all these wonderful people who have come to see us this afternoon? | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
Thank you! | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
-Bye! Bye! -I do apologise for some of your children, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
what's happened to them this afternoon, I don't know, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
but they have lots of things they can tell you about today. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
It's been amazing today. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
-Did you have fun? -Yeah. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:47 | |
-Let's have a look. -I saw... | 0:30:47 | 0:30:48 | |
It looks really real! | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
-It's a painting! -A lady magician, a lady car mechanic, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
a male dancer and a male make-up artist, which done this. | 0:30:55 | 0:31:01 | |
-Were you surprised? -Yeah. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
I think, if we did the same activity that we did earlier again tomorrow, | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
then you'd get a whole different set of pictures on those bodies. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
I'm sure you would. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:14 | |
I actually think this could be a step in the right direction | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
of a change in their views. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
Bye. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
While changing the children's perceptions is a start, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
I think it's just one part of the problem. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
In our testing, the girls scored 30% lower than the boys | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
in self-confidence in maths. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
Two, three, four, five, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
six, seven, eight, nine, ten. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
The ability to process and understand numbers, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
shapes and how objects fits together, | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
known as spatial awareness, is key to success | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
in a number of traditionally male-dominated professions. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
According to the Office of National Statistics, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
less than 10% of engineers and 20% of architects are women. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
I want to know why it is that men dominate | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
it when comes to spatial awareness. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
People are very interested in the fact that on average | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
girls tend to do worse on what we call spatial tasks | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
and it seems to be very much a function of encouraging boys, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:26 | |
or boys having more experience with visual and spatial skills. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
They've got their heads stuck in a Lego instruction book, for example. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
So people have looked at whether or not | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
you could improve performance by training, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
so these are scans of girls who had opportunities to play Tetris | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
intensively for three months | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
and what they found was that their spatial skills improved | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
and actually there were structures in the brain which changed. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
So it's physically changed in response to Tetris training. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
Yes, the cortex has got thicker - | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
to put it in simple terms. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
So a male child might be much more encouraged | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
to play with games that are to do with spatial awareness, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
so the brain has rehearsed and practised that, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
develops more and actually the child becomes better at it. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
-Yes. -And we know that practise it makes perfect. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
Yes. And also, if you're better at something, you enjoy doing it more. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
No! | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
Gina has given me an idea of how I can brain-train my class to even out | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
these differences and build their confidence | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
in their abilities that affects subjects like maths and science. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
Spatial ability is a key component in the stem subjects, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
the subjects of science, technology, engineering and maths, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
and those subjects are crucial for future careers | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
potentially in engineering, architecture, even surgery. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
OK, kids, what we're trying to show today is to see if any of you | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
are better than the others at spatial awareness - | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
being able to look at physical objects | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
and seeing how they relate to each other - | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
and Mr Andre and I are going to have a quick test now. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
-Are we? Excellent. -Yeah. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
-Hang on, here we go. -Shh, shh. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
-Listen. -Look at these big colourful shapes again. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
-Wow! -This is a Tangram puzzle. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
Mr Andre and I's task is to make this shape out of these. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:21 | |
Right. So shall we go for the ends first? | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
So if I... One... | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
Tangram puzzles use seven geometric shapes | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
that can be arranged into various complex patterns. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
A green triangle that needs to go... | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
To be good at it, you need to be able to manipulate shapes, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
understanding how they fit together | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
and how they change when you flip or rotate them. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
-There we go. -Wow. That took some thinking, didn't it? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
This trains the temporal lobes of the brain | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
that are responsible for processing shapes. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
-There we go. -That was good. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
-Teamwork. -Well done. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
Teamwork! | 0:35:00 | 0:35:01 | |
Now, you're each going to get one, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
and you're going to practise right now with one particular shape. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
OK, this is the shape I'd like you to make. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
You've got it in front of you. What does it remind you of? | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
-Boat. -A sailboat. Yeah. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
Away you go. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:17 | |
This looks easy. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
I've given the children ten minutes | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
to try and reproduce the shape that looks like a ship. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
If you're a boy who's been playing | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
with Lego or Minecraft his whole life, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
you're much more likely to be better at this type of task | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
and more confident in it, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
and have confidence in those subjects like maths and physics. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
-Done! Done! -It looks like the boys have done it before. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
So is it that they're more practised at it, more rehearsed? | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
And the point of this is to give them all an even playing field, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
in terms of rehearsal, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:56 | |
-practise and exercising that part of the brain. -Yeah. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:00 | |
Grace, these are even wrong. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
Both Grace and Tiffany scored in the bottom half of the class when tested | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
on their self-confidence in maths. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
Which point comes off? | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
Look at that point in the shape of it. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
On the sheet it doesn't look the same as the... | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
same shapes as the wooden block ones. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
There's a couple, actually. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:30 | |
-Tiffany's really struggled. -I think, you know, 15 minutes a day, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
ten minutes a day, not long out of the school day | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
could really help exercise this and get them all up. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
These are great maths problems as well, you know. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Would this fall into your numeracy type...? | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
-Absolutely. -Brilliant. Brilliant. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
There's clearly a huge gap between boys and girls, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
which I hope this intervention will go some way to closing. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
There we go, I'm done. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
Graham's class isn't unique. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
It's worrying to think that the difference I've seen here | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
could well be found in other classrooms in the country. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
And I don't think people are doing enough, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
leaving generation after generation of little girls | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
excluded from future careers that require abilities in stem subjects. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:21 | |
It's five to three. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
It's home time already. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
So, Riley, Louis and Cara, off you go to games club. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
The rest of you can go home. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
It's easy to think that boys are just better | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
when it comes to developing their spatial awareness skills. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
That girls don't like playing in that kind of way. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
They naturally prefer dolls to boys' toys. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
I want to put that to the test | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
because I'm pretty sure that that idea is rubbish. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
Toys are just toys. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
So I'm going to conduct an experiment - | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
something a little unorthodox. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
I've gathered some babies and swapped their clothes. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
For the next couple of hours, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
Marnie becomes Oliver | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
and Edward becomes Sophie because I want to see the kinds of behaviours | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
and assumptions adult volunteers make | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
when they think they're playing with a little boy or girl, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
even when they're not. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:32 | |
Look at this. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
Look at this. Would you like a dolly? | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
Shall we go for the dolly? There's a good girl. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
You're a good little girl, aren't you, Sophie? | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
Look, what does this say? | 0:38:42 | 0:38:43 | |
"Sweet dreams." | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
"Sweet dreams." | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
Oh, and what's this? | 0:38:53 | 0:38:54 | |
Ooh! Look at this, Sophie! | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
What's startling is the assumption that, | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
because Edward is dressed as a girl, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
the adult thinks he wants to play with the soft toy. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
Meow, meow. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
Not the toys that encourage understanding | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
shapes or being physically confident. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
Do you think she had any favourites? | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
Yes, I do. I think she liked that pink dolly the best. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
If I were to tell you actually that Sophie is Edward... | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
-Ah! -..does that change anything? | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
I maybe thought, "Oh, this is a little girl, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
"so I have to give her little girl things." | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
-You made the choice for this infant to play with that doll. -Yeah. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
What I'm saying is, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:35 | |
when adults choose for the children how they play, | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
what with, what role they're going to have | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
then they're going to end up there. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
-Yes. -One, two, three. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
Beep, beep, beep, beep, beep! | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
What do you want to play with? | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
Do you want to see my robot? | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
She's picked the robot, the car, the puzzle game. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
I think she's been much more physical in handling the child | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
than the other adults have been with girls. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Say hello. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
Say hello. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:09 | |
Hello. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:10 | |
Hello! | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
What's this one? | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
What's that one do? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:17 | |
Is that a robot? | 0:40:17 | 0:40:18 | |
What about this one? | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
You like that one. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
What does this one do? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
Right, OK. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:26 | |
Oliver. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
-Oliver. -You've gone for, you could say, boy toys... | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
-Possibly. Possibly. -..for this boy. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
Possibly, in my subconscious. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:35 | |
For me, I was just going for what was around me, | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
but perhaps my subconscious was automatically playing a trick on me. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
If I tell you that he is actually a girl. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
-Really? -Yes. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
Oh, wow! That's really interesting. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
I suppose it's because of the stereotype. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
And then that changed your behaviour towards the child. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
-Yes, it did. It did. -And your behaviour was quite directive. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
-I can't lie. -So how does that make you feel? | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
You changed your behaviour. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
Really shocking, because children today, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
we're trying to teach children that you can be what you want to be, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
but yet we're still forcing an identity on a child. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
This identity based on how we think a child should act isn't harmless. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
It has much deeper and longer-lasting consequences | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
than choosing which toy to play with. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
Gender differences in emotional health. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
So here, it says women with anxiety disorders are more likely | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
to internalise, which results in typically loneliness, | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
withdrawal and depression. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
Men, on the other hand, are more likely to externalise, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
which leads to aggression, impulsive behaviour, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
coercive and noncompliant behaviour. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
There's an article. "Are men natural-born criminals? | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
"Prison numbers don't lie." | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
So less than 5% of the country's prison population is female. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
People who research masculinity in prisons. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
"Men don't cry. Men take it on the chin. You can't be soft." | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
Simply being born a boy | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
means you're much more likely to end up in prison, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
but then they're much more likely to earn more than a girl. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
The gender pay gap. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
There are less women full stop in the top 100 companies | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
as bosses than there are men called John. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
The sum of all these statistics... | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
Well, there's potential for it to be really quite sinister, or insidious, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
if you don't stop to think about why. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
These statistics have really brought it home to me that some children | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
across the country have a difficult and uncertain adult life because of | 0:42:36 | 0:42:40 | |
what we tell them it means to be a man or a woman. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
I'm determined more than ever to make a difference | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
for Graham's class, so I've asked him to have another look | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
at his classroom to make sure every last bit of difference is removed. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
It's not something I've thought about before, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
so it's things like the superheroes. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
These books are really aimed squarely at the boys. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
It is the boys that go for them...the majority of the time. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
Very occasionally, a girl will, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:11 | |
but it is quite a gender-based bookcase, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
which doesn't really give out the right signals. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
Graham is right to be concerned. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
A study by the Florida State University | 0:43:19 | 0:43:21 | |
found that, in 6,000 books, only 31% had a central female character. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:27 | |
I just wonder up and down the country | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
how many class book shelves are just like this. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
It's hard. What do we replace these books with? | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
While another study found that the boys featured in the stories | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
celebrated negative traits, like excessive competitiveness... | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
What's more important? Friendship or winning? | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
Winning, because you might get money. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:50 | |
..and aggression. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
I think it's better to be a boy | 0:43:52 | 0:43:53 | |
because girls don't like guns as much as boys. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
And I think reading books with passive princesses | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
and aggressive heroes makes it all the more likely | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
for the children to accept these behaviours as normal. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
Do you think boys are braver than girls? | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
Yeah, because sometimes girls are frightened | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
and sometimes boys are not. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
What are girls better than boys at? | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
Being pretty... | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
..and wearing dresses. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
I'm really keen to change Mr Andre's classroom | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
into a space full of messages to counter those ideas, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:30 | |
so these books are really going to challenge | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
some of the traditional roles. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
There's a book here where the princess | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
saves the prince from the monster | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
and that's really good to just give them an idea | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
there are different characters out there. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
Shh! And listening carefully. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
I've left these books for Graham's next reading class. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
"Chapter three. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:52 | |
"No-one knew the princess in Black Secret except her faithful steed." | 0:44:52 | 0:45:00 | |
OK, what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask some of you to tell us | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
about the book that you've been reading. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
This girl called Stella, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
she always dreamed that she caught the googly moogly. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
What sort of things did she need to show to go and catch the googly moogly? | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
What did she need to be, do you think? | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
-Confident. -Confident. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
-What else did she need to be? -Brave. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
And do you think she was brave? | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
Right, Bella. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:27 | |
Our story is The Princess In Black and The Perfect Princess Party. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
There's a princess, | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
and she has this special ring that tells her if there's monsters | 0:45:33 | 0:45:38 | |
attacking, and there was a monster attacking, and she saved people. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:44 | |
Wow. So she's like a normal princess, but she's got superpowers, | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
-is that right? -Yeah. -Do you prefer her when she's like this... | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
or do you think she's better when she's like that? | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
-That one. -Why do you like that princess better, then? | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
Because the other one is a bit too girlie girl. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
The other one's a bit too girlie girl and this one's... | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
She has to be quite brave, I should imagine, yeah? | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
I do not like reading, but I like reading that book. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
So you don't like reading much, but you really liked reading this book? That's really good, Bella. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
The frustrating thing is just how easy this is. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
It only takes a few books to change the children's minds, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:19 | |
to offer them alternatives to macho men and passive women, | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
which should affect the boys' empathy and the girls' self-esteem | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
when we retest the children - and, if they keep reading, | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
I hope well into adult life. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
Do you think these books are better than our last books? | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
Thumb up. Excellent. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
So I think these new books are a real hit, don't you? | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
-Yeah! -Yeah, excellent. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
Fantastic. Can we carefully line up at the door, please? | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
So, Lexi, you've got to do the vote | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
and you've got to choose a 100-word challenge. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
To be honest, I'm really proud of what I've done so far. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
Just to have this number's good. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
Graham might be feeling positive, but I'm keen, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
two weeks into my time at Lanesend, | 0:47:09 | 0:47:12 | |
to hear what changes he's seeing in the children. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
And do you think they've noticed some changes? | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
Yeah, I do think they've definitely noticed changes. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
They're taking it on board. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
They are making links between, you know, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:23 | |
these positive signs and things that we're saying in the classroom. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
I think what will be interesting to see at the end, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
to see how much they've changed in a relatively short space of time. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
Has there been any resistance from one or two of them? | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
No, not really. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:36 | |
Not with anything that we've done yet but, you know... | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
You don't know what's to come. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:39 | |
Exactly. It's still early days! | 0:47:39 | 0:47:42 | |
Next, I want to challenge another of the areas from our testing - | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
what the children think about strength. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
I'm going to say some words. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
-Yeah? -And I want you to say if they're a boy or a girl word. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
Strong. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:04 | |
Boy. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
Weak. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:08 | |
Woman. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
Girl! | 0:48:11 | 0:48:12 | |
Strong. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:13 | |
A boy word, | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
because they're stronger than girls. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
Boys. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:18 | |
Boys, because they run round more. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
Boys, because they go to the gym more. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:23 | |
I think strong is a boy word because | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
normally boys have really strong muscles. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
If you look at the world's strongest person, he's a boy. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:33 | |
In the children's minds there is no doubt - boys are stronger, | 0:48:33 | 0:48:36 | |
they've got bigger muscles, and girls aren't comparable in any way. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
As a doctor, I've got an understanding of our bodies, | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
how we grow, how we change, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
and what I know is that there's actually no difference | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
in muscle mass and strength between boys and girls | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
right up until the age of puberty. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:52 | |
But strength isn't just about biology. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:57 | |
Our testing showed that the boys had limited vocabulary | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
around expressing their emotions, | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
that they linked being strong with not showing how they felt. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:08 | |
-Do you cry? -No, but I do get angry. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
And what happens when you get angry? | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
Ah, I try breaking my bed | 0:49:13 | 0:49:14 | |
and I break my Lego. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
-Do you cry? -Yeah. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
I think girls cry more because, erm, | 0:49:19 | 0:49:24 | |
because boys are stronger and they can hold their tears in. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:29 | |
What about crying? | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
-Do you cry? -No. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
Is it OK for boys to cry? | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
No, because they're strong. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
These children have such different ideas when it comes to strength | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
and there really is no reason for it. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
I want them to understand just how similar | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
they are in terms of physical strength, | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
even if that forces the boys to challenge the belief that they | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
will always come out as the strongest, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
so I've built a little surprise for them - on their playing fields. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
Let's march. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:04 | |
Right, come around here. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
OK, kids, now we are going to... | 0:50:08 | 0:50:12 | |
-test your strength! -Yes! | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
-How hard do you need to hit to get ten? -Sh, listen. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
But before we get to doing that, you've got one minute now. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
I want you all to line yourselves up, from strongest to weakest - go. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:29 | |
Everyone's running to the left! | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
So I want to see a line. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
Addy says he's in the middle. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
-I am not strong. -Me, too! | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
Kara puts herself at the end. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
No, I'm stronger than you! | 0:50:41 | 0:50:42 | |
-How do you know? -I'm stronger than you. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
Mr Andre, they won't let me go where I am now! | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
Why, do you think you're the strongest, then, Riley? | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
-Pushed me out. -Move over a bit. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
-Yeah, but I'm trying to get into my... -Boys, we're not fighting. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
They won't let me go there! | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
There's been a bundle for who's the strongest. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
A little scuffle for the boys, | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
trying to put themselves in the strongest position. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
No compromise, but there's certainly a preponderance for boys | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
at the strongest end and girls at the weaker end. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
Knowing that these children are more or less equal | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
when it comes to their biology, this isn't really about strength. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:18 | |
Right, thank you very much for doing that. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
Now, come back together. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:21 | |
I believe it's about the children's self-confidence | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
and levels of self-esteem. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
So, I'm going to ask each one of you to tell Mr Andre and I | 0:51:27 | 0:51:32 | |
what you think you're actually going to score. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
-Ronnie, what do you think you'll score? -Ten. -Ten?! | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
Our tests showed that the girls massively underestimated | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
what they thought they could achieve. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
Lily, you think you'll score... | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
-Five. -OK. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:48 | |
Tiffany, what do you think you might score? | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
Five. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:51 | |
But with a simple demonstration of how strong they really are, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
I can challenge that and hopefully improve their levels of confidence. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
-Lexi? -I think I'll score a five. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
What do you think you'll score, Bradley? | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
-Nine. -Riley, what do you think you'll score? | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
Ten. I'll break the bell. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:10 | |
-OK. -Some quite high predictions there. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
Yes. Now, kids, thank you for doing that. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
One by one, you're now going to come up and test your strength. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
They will each have three attempts to ring the bell. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
What happens if we miss the button? | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
-If you miss the button, that's it. -You'll just have to put zero. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
Yeah, absolutely, Lily. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
OK, Orion. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
Choose your weapon. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:33 | |
-Thor's hammer! -Three goes each. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
Hand-eye coordination - concentrate. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
Two. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:38 | |
Two. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:41 | |
Four! | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
Go, Bella. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
-Yes. -Oh, five. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
Hey! | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
Well done, Bella. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
That's close to a ten, wasn't it? | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
Oh! He missed it. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
Go on, Louis, give it a good effort. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
Go for it, Lily. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
Oh! | 0:53:03 | 0:53:04 | |
Lexi, have you had a go? | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
Come on, Lexi. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
Lexi estimated that she would score just five out of ten. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:15 | |
You can do it, Lexi. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
BELL DINGS | 0:53:23 | 0:53:24 | |
SCREAMING | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
All right, Lexi. Well done, Lexi. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
Sh! | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
Hey! Are you all right, Lexi? | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
-What's up? Are you a bit overwhelmed? -Yeah. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
Crying because you're happy? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
Why are you happy, then, Lexi? | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
Because I didn't think I could do it at first. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
Yeah, and you're really happy because you did? | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
We're really happy because you did, too. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:51 | |
Is it happy tears? | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
That's all right, then. We don't mind happy tears. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
That's brilliant, Lexi. Well done, you. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
-Excellent! -Lexi, I'll get you a well done card | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
and I'll send it at your house. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
Next up, Riley. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
He has predicted hitting the bell and getting a maximum score of ten. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
I'm going to break that bell! | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
-Come on, then, Riley. -Move! | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
Good luck, Riley. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
-Oh. -Does that count? | 0:54:16 | 0:54:17 | |
-Yeah! -I can't hit it! | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
-Oh! -I can't hit it, I can't hit it. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:23 | |
Don't worry, Riley. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
HE CRIES | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
I can't hit it! | 0:54:27 | 0:54:30 | |
HE SCREAMS | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
When we tested the boys, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:34 | |
63% of them had problems dealing with their emotions, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
including Riley. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
Why do you think that happened? | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
Why are you kicking the hay? HE SCREAMS | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
I don't want to do it any more! | 0:54:46 | 0:54:47 | |
But do you think you're going to get a chance | 0:54:47 | 0:54:49 | |
if you do it again at the end? Of course you are, yes. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
Yeah, but it wouldn't count as my proper score! | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
Why do you think it didn't work? | 0:54:55 | 0:54:56 | |
Oh, I don't know! But it won't count as my proper score! | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
No, it doesn't matter. It's all about trying, isn't it? | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
Why are you so upset now? | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
Because I always get ten on them. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
Aren't you even happy that your friends did well? | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
-No. -Why not? | 0:55:10 | 0:55:11 | |
I always win everything! | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
So you...you're quite competitive, aren't you? | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
So, listen, when you throw yourself on the mud like that, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
what's that achieving? | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
-Don't know. -Why do you have that reaction? | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
Because I'm angry. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
Riley was overconfident | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
and, of course, he got upset in front of the whole class | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
not scoring anything. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:37 | |
He doesn't use words to describe negative emotions | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
and that's quite telling. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
-Shh! Listen. -Right, what do we see here? | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
Look at Grace. She thought she'd get six - she got ten. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
Kara thought she'd get six - she got ten. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
-Ronnie, Bradley... -Lily, Lexi - down here, Lexi, five... | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
So many of you got ten. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
What I want to tell you is this - | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
at your age, boys and girls have exactly the same strength. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
-But we all got different scores! -As long as... | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
That's a good point, Kara. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
If you're the same size as another boy or girl, | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
your muscles are exactly as strong as each other. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
So what do you think about that? | 0:56:15 | 0:56:16 | |
Boys and girls are as strong as each other! | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
SHOUTING | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
Not a surprise, and good for them, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
to see the boys having confidence in themselves and estimating | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
they'll score highly. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:27 | |
But with the girls - why do they underestimate themselves? | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
Six of the girls thought they'd score six points or less | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
and, in fact, five of them then scored ten. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
So they are achieving what the boys can achieve. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
They're seeing that they can do that, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
but they don't have the belief in themselves in the first place, | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
and hopefully all that we're doing is going to change that. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
I can't get it! | 0:56:49 | 0:56:51 | |
I thought I was going to get a five and I was happy crying | 0:56:51 | 0:56:55 | |
because I got a ten. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
I feel really happy and proud of myself. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
Before I did this, I think that boys were stronger than girls | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
because everyone just said that, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
but now I think that girls and boys can be strong. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
Seeing the girls actually coming up and achieving as good, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:17 | |
if not better - most of them were far better - | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
but I think actually that's probably instilled in them that confidence, | 0:57:19 | 0:57:23 | |
so actually to see that change, and I think it is a real change, | 0:57:23 | 0:57:28 | |
it's exciting. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
Well done! | 0:57:30 | 0:57:32 | |
Lexi's done it. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:33 | |
But today hasn't been a total success. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
-Riley? -Can I have another one? -Well, I think you can in a minute, yeah. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
Do you know what? The first time you do it and, | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
if you miss, take your time, OK? | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
And be positive. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
You can do it. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:47 | |
Although Lexi's had a really nice breakthrough, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
this represents a big setback for Riley | 0:57:51 | 0:57:54 | |
and there are 23 children in the class. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:57 | |
I've been here two weeks, three weeks. | 0:57:57 | 0:57:59 | |
I'm worried that all I've done is upset a load of kids | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
and none of this is having the slightest effect. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
I've realised just how entrenched these differences are | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
for boys and girls and that interventions | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
in the classroom aren't going to be enough. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:15 | |
Do you like being a girlie girl? | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
-Yeah. -..I take the fight home to the parents... | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
Because it's all very pink and girlie. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
Wow! ..challenging them... | 0:58:26 | 0:58:28 | |
Yes, I'm afraid that has to go. | 0:58:28 | 0:58:30 | |
-..and the children... -He said, "Look, Mum, I've got a handgun - | 0:58:30 | 0:58:33 | |
"you can't take this one off me." | 0:58:33 | 0:58:36 | |
..before finding out if I have succeeded... | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 | |
I want it to go back to boys and girls. | 0:58:39 | 0:58:42 | |
..with my class of gender-neutral seven-year-olds. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:44 | |
I've turned these kids into monsters. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:46 | |
The girls... They were never like it before! | 0:58:46 | 0:58:49 |