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I really like porn. A lot. Really like it. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
It fulfils a purpose and then you get on with your day, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
and I think as a red-blooded male, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:12 | |
I am not the only one who feels this way. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
Even you ladies too. Don't deny it. I know what you get up to. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
I'm watching you. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
Now, then. According to PornHub, the most searched term for gay men is straight men. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:21 | |
I've got lesbian friends that really like watching gay male porn. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
It's straight guys who are the biggest consumers | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
of trans porn, and of course, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
transgender people enjoy watching cisgender porn as well. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
And for any of you straight fellas watching, | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
you know those lesbians you love so, so much? | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
They're not real lesbians. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
So basically it's a total clusterfuck. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
In the online playground of porn, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
sexuality is even more fluid than it is in the real world. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
For better or worse, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
porn is everywhere. Porn on your phone, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
porn on your laptop, in the movies, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
in your workplace. Porn - it's in your home. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
Porn - it's right in front of you. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
Porn. Don't you love it? | 0:00:57 | 0:00:58 | |
So who are the people that are making LGBTQ porn? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
Why are they making it? | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
And who's watching it? Is there more to it than | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
just people getting themselves off? | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
Do I watch pornography? | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
-Erm... -I do. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
-Yeah. -Yes. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
Erm... Occasionally. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
But I have a boyfriend, so please don't put that in. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
I know a lot of people that have. I know a lot of people that do. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
No. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
Of course. Doesn't everyone? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
It's so problematic. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
It's fetishistic. It's tokenistic. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
It's racist. It's sexist. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
Oh, my God. Yes. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
Yes, I do. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
-You know, I used to be, like, an addict of porn. -Really? | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
-Yeah, like, totally. -No! -No, honestly. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
No. Not my kind of thing. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
I love pornography. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
I personally don't use it, no. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
No, I don't. I've never been into it. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
It's just not... Not my thing, really, no. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
Yeah. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
I've come to South London to meet George. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
He's a gay porn star and producer | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
and he specialises in chav porn. Mm-hm. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
So I'm going to go in there, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
meet him and actually take part in a phone casting. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
I'm pretty nervous, but if I'm honest with you, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
really excited. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:35 | |
-Hi, George. -Hello. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
Nice to meet you. How are you? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
I'm very well, thank you. Nice to meet you. Come on in. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
-Look at your lovely flat. -This is it. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
-Thanks for having me. -That's OK. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
So you've got an online character, an online persona, | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
who is he? | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
My online persona is Hung Young Brit. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
And he is a... | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
A very poor, straight-acting chav. "You all right, mate? | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
"What's up wi' you?" Spit in their face. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
You know, it's this kind of real sort of straight fantasy | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
that a lot of gay guys have. You know, about | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
very Nike, Adidas-wearing, chavvy, you know... | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
JD Sports kind of wearing chav. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
Why is the straight lad, chav porn thing such a massive fetish? | 0:03:21 | 0:03:27 | |
I mean, I grew up in a town | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
that is very... A very poor commuter town. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
And it's close to London and there is... It had a dockyard | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
and the dockyard closed down and all the jobs went away | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
and the boys on the street, as you're growing up, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
are very... | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
scally, they're very chavvy, and it's what I was fantasising about. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
But what's interesting is you go on the gay scene, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
no-one dresses like that. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:48 | |
You know, so in their minds, they might have a sexualised image of, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
you know, a spitting, smoking chav. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
But they're not going to dress like that or look like that | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
just to get laid. They're actually going to look very, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
very smart, like yourself, you know? | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Today we are working in the office. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
I'm going to do the casting, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
so I'll take you through the process from start to finish. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
Is there a set of things that we are going to be looking for, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
things that will completely rule them out, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
-and things that will put them into the top? -Yeah. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
You know, you don't ever want to convince anyone to do anything. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
People have to be 100% natural, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:20 | |
so you need to know what their limits are, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
cos you want to work around them. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:24 | |
You don't ever want them to work with you. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:04:27 | 0:04:28 | |
-'Hi.' -Hi. How are you doing? | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
It's George Mason calling from Hung Young Brit | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
from XTube, and are you still interested in being in adult films? | 0:04:36 | 0:04:41 | |
'Yes.' | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
You are? That's good news. We like that. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
Have you done any videos before? | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
-'No.' -No. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
Very well. By the way, I'm looking at your picture, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
and you are very handsome, by the way, I've got to say, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
you are very, very handsome. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
'Thank you.' | 0:04:54 | 0:04:55 | |
Mm, no, we like that. Are you happy for guys to spunk in your mouth? | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
-'Yeah.' -Yeah, OK. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
And likewise, if you were going to bottom in a video, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
you are also happy to receive that? | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
'Both. I can give too.' | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
Cool, I think that's a yes, so we'll put yes on that one. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Cool, anything that you change your mind on, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
and if you don't want to... You know, if you don't feel comfortable | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
doing it on the day, then you don't feel comfortable on the day. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
It's absolutely not a problem. Why do you want to be in porn, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
and can I ask you, what attracts you about being in the movies? | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
'I just want to see what this kind of work can offer. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
'It's just, you know, it's try, if I like it or not. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
'I want to try everything, so why not? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
'I like sex. I like everything in sex, so...' | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
Brilliant, baby. I've got to tell you now, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
that's exactly the right attitude. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
My name's Riyadh. What kind of porn do you look at? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:05:44 | 0:05:45 | |
'Erm... I like group, bareback, gang bang, something like that.' | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
Very open-minded. We like you better and better by the minute. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Cool, all right, baby, listen, thank you very much for your time today. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
-Lovely talking to you. -'Thank you.' | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
Save my number. It's Hung Young Brit and I will speak to you soon. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
OK, bye-bye. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:02 | |
-Oh. -Ooh. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
Oh, I like him. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
He's cute. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
BOTH LAUGH | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
We're looking for the same thing! | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
Chest hair - smooth, natural. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
Sexual role - versatile bottom. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
Cock size - seven inches. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
Cut, uncut - he's cut. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
Oh, there we are. He likes... He's a transsexual. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
I don't unfortunately have a market for that. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
-Aw! -Aw! He's lovely, isn't he? | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
-'Hello?' -Oh, I like him. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
-Jesus! -That weighs something, doesn't it? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
That's a big fucking... | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
It's almost disproportionate to his body, it's that big. It's like... | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
Wet and messy. W-A-M. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
I think that's shit and piss, isn't it? | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
-Have you done porn before? -'No.' | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
And in your ass? | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
'Yeah.' | 0:06:56 | 0:06:57 | |
And vice-versa, would you do it to someone else? | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
'Yeah.' | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
OK. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:04 | |
How much would I get paid | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
if I was to do porn? | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
It's about £150 for a solo scene, | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
and then anything from £200 to £300, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
which 300, I can promise you, is the top end for every other studio, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
to do full-on fucking. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
I thought the actor would have got | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
like five, maybe ten grand? | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
You've always got to look at the reasons why someone's doing porn. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
And if someone says, you know, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:27 | |
"Pfft! I want the money, times are hard right now." | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
You don't want to cast that guy, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
-cos that guy might regret it in the future. -OK. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
That was an eye-opener, to say the least. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
I mean, George is | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
like the Alan Sugar businessman of the porn world. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
I can't believe how business-savvy he is. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
And the funny thing is, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
when you look at the guys who have been applying, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
these hundreds of guys, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
almost all of them have never done porn before. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
I'm really, really excited about the shoot day. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
I don't know what to expect. | 0:07:58 | 0:07:59 | |
I know that George... He's a horny fella. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
So maybe he'll want to take part more than he says he does. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
I don't think that girl-girl porn is for girls. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
I think it's for guys. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
-Trans porn's too much. -Oh, no, I can't... | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
It's so fake! | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
To try and find body positive or gender positive trans porn, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
it's just she-males or whatever. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
The kind of people and bodies | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
and things that you see in pornography are so often | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
not what you experience in real life. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
But it doesn't represent the LGBT community as a whole. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
It just feels fake. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
They've got long nails, for starters. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
It's like you wouldn't have long nails. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
They make noises when nothing's happening. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
How many girls do you know have a pillow fight | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
and end up having sex? I don't think it really works. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
It's just not something that you would ever do with a girl. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Across the pond in California, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
award-winner film-maker Shine Louise Houston | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
and porn star Jiz Lee are creating what they term queer porn. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
-Hi. -Hi. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Shine, Jiz, lovely to speak to you. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
-I'm Riyadh. -Nice to meet you. -Hi, nice to meet you. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
Why did you decide that queer porn was the career for you? | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
Visual media is so powerful. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
We see all these different stories about other people | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
all the time, but we don't really see a lot of stories | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
about ourselves, especially about queer people being sexual. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
So I think it's really important for us to create our own, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
like, narratives, where we are the objects of desire. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
If we're not creating those narratives and we have other people | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
who don't have our experiences doing it for us, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
or on our behalf, they often don't do it correctly. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
The style that we shoot and also when we work with talent | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
we really ask them what they want to do today. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
I don't direct the talent at all. I only direct the cameras, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
so, you know, whatever they want to do, it's because, like, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
they're really into it, so I think we get a more honest performance. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
Is queer porn and what you're | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
creating important for the community? | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
In looking at pornography that often | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
is very limited in who gets to be sexy, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
what kind of sex they have, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
to not see yourself represented kind of... | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
-It can make you feel that you're not normal. -Right. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
So it is really invalidating for a queer or for trans people, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
people of colour, people of size, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
people with different abilities, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
to be able to see something and see themselves | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
reflected as someone who's capable of a happy, healthy sexuality, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
and I think that queer and trans people look to porn a little | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
differently than heterosexual, cisgender people might. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
Because for a long time we didn't have sex ed | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
that included trans or queer sexuality or orientation | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
and we didn't see ourselves in mainstream media | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
in those stories and so porn was this one place where we were. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
I think it's come to, like, a critical mass. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
You know, there's a lot of us. We're kind of a movement. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Queer revolution! | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
Yeah, you know, there's just a lot of people out there making | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
really well-informed work. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
In what ways can porn help people in the LGBTQ community? | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
If you're in rural Virginia, and you're feeling like the only queer, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
you know, we've had a lot of people like, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
"Oh, my God! There are more queers!" | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
Do you know what I mean? "I'm not the only one." | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
And it can give them a sense of, like, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
"OK, I am part of a larger community." | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
-And that they can be sexy. -Yeah. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
-It's important, isn't it? -Very. -I think so. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
What do you say to people who claim that porn | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
is exploitative to people? | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
I don't think because sex and money are involved | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
that it is inherently... | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
Creates a power imbalance. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
I think there are people who will take advantage of other people, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
but like I said, I don't think that's inherent in the industry. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
I think that's on an individual basis. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
What's your favourite type of porn to produce? | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
You can be really detailed in your descriptions. I don't mind. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
Um...I don't know. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
I don't know if I have... | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
I mean, I like my own porn. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
You know, they really hit the nail on the head. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
LGBTQ people are underrepresented across the board, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
specifically in mainstream media. And what they're creating | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
is finally giving those underrepresented people a voice, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
a space, and a chance to feel sexy. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
But what, if anything, is being done here in queer Britain? | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
I've got to think about it, how to phrase it. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
I'm Blath and I make artisanal pornography, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
by and for queer people. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
I think queer porn is porn that does not | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
cater to the straight male audience as much, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
cos they're already really over-catered to. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Queer porn caters to people who have got more fringe sexualities | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
that are not represented as much. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Wow. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:18 | |
I've never looked at | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
porn and thought, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:24 | |
"That was beautiful," at the end. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
-Thank you, that is... -It's a real work of art, isn't it? | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
That is what I was going for. Thanks. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
-Like, I mean... -That's very validating for me. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
I mean, I am a gay man and, you know, I'm very sure of that, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
but even at points I was all, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
-"Mm, you know, it's kind of hot." It was hot. -Thanks. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
Who is it that watches this stuff? Like, who are your audience? | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
Most of my customers are, like, lesbians, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
trans women, non-binary people, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
like pretty much everyone you can think of. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
When you started making this stuff, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
did you realise just how important it was that they | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
weren't being catered for, all of these people? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
A lot of people got, like, a lot more excited about it | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
than I thought that they would, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
just because I think so little of it exists that whenever | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
someone else starts making this kind of thing, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
people are really, really enthusiastic to, like, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
support them by spreading the word or financially or whatever. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
What kind of reaction do you get | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
from the people that watch your stuff? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
Do you ever get messages from them | 0:14:26 | 0:14:27 | |
saying that it's helped them in any way? | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
I had one person say that they kind of realised that they weren't | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
entirely, like, a straight woman from watching, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
cos they'd never seen femininity presented in such an intimate way, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
and they were like... | 0:14:38 | 0:14:39 | |
"I'm kind of into this, actually." | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
It's not just bam-bam-bam-bam-ugh! | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
There's a bit more. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
Yeah, there's a bit more. It feels a bit more personal, I think, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
so it kind of taps into something a little bit | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
-more than just your base urges? -Yeah. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
Describe to me what feminist porn is? Cos I thought feminist porn - | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
I haven't seen any - was where the woman in the film | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
is a bit more in control than she would normally be? | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Like a bit more dominant. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:12 | |
Yeah, not always as submissive. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
And there's a bit more equality in the roles. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
It can be part of it, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
but I think there's a big misunderstanding about | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
the pornography being empowering, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
and it's, like, I don't think we have to worry so much | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
about it being empowering as much as we need to worry about | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
everyone just being treated fairly. I think that's the main issue. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
The whole side of the porn world | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
where it's the user-generated content, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
where you are making yourself the star, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
is that becoming more of a thing? | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
It's way more of a thing, yeah. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
I think it's definitely the direction that porn is moving in. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
It's much more, like, cam sites are pretty much | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
the biggest kind of money generator in the industry now. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
I think people are really more craving a kind of | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
personal connection, especially because of, like, | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
social media and stuff. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
People feel that they want kind of more than just a 2D sexual act | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
from a performer, which I mean, back in the '90s, maybe porn stars | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
didn't have to worry about, you know, keeping a nice persona | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
up on Twitter, for instance, | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
whereas now you're much more connected with everyone, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
like, all the time, but consumers are very into that. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
With advances in technology making content and performers | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
more accessible than ever, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
there's been a revolution in porn. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
Webcam shows have exploded in popularity, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
and that's because audiences nowadays want that live | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
interaction with the performer. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:38 | |
I'm going to meet Cookie, who is a webcam performer. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Hello. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
I think the reason that I do porn would actually be kind of advocacy. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
I will not market myself as trans. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
I just market myself as a woman who happens to have a penis. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
Words like she-male, tranny, all of this stuff, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
I avoid those completely. I won't work with those terms. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
A lot of questioning people, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
when they first come into contact with the concept of being trans, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
get it through porn. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:14 | |
A lot of what makes it popular with the mainstream is | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
very male gazey. It reduces trans women down to penis and boobs. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
Trans people are often quite hard to find in real life, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
and so people can kind of get to know us a bit more | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
through a camming show. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
It's more interactive. People can talk to you and ask you questions. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
They get a bit more of your personality, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
rather than just 20 minutes of sex. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
It's hugely empowering. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
It's nice to see my body reflect who I am. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
The moment when you look down and you're like, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
"Oh, my boobs have grown," it's sort of like a... | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
And can I ask, the boobs that you have now, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
-are they 100% natural? -Mm-hm. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
-They are. -Yeah, no, no surgery involved. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
Cos they're quite big. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:03 | |
Do you think porn is a place where people can experiment | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
with their gender identity, and explore who they are? | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
For me, certainly. It's led to an awful lot of realisations | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
about what my sexuality is. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
It's led me to coming out as a lesbian. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
Certainly speaking as someone who, six months ago, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
couldn't look in a mirror | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
at certain parts of my body, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
I... | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
feel an awful lot more confident now I've started doings things. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
What gave you that confidence? | 0:18:31 | 0:18:32 | |
Probably about the 50 people a day that send me nice messages | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
and tell me that I look nice. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:36 | |
Well, it's validation you're getting from people. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
Kind of, and they engage with my personality as well. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
This is the thing. If you're going to be successful as a performer, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
you can't just look nice. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:45 | |
It's hard to engage with someone's personality in a porn film, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
whereas if you've got two or three hours, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
on a live broadcast, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
a lot of that is going to be people asking you questions. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
What's your motivation for doing it? | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
First and foremost for me was | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
confidence and advocacy. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
It sounds kind of strange to talk about | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
advocacy from a porn perspective because there is this... | 0:19:05 | 0:19:11 | |
Stigma? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:12 | |
Yeah, there's a large stigma of trans women all being | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
sex workers. I try and do things as differently as I possibly can | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
from mainstream trans porn. People are always going to get | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
introduced to this identity through porn. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
If there's going to be an introduction through porn, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
which is unfortunate, I would like it to be a good impression. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
-And that's what you're creating. -Yeah. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
Well, I'd certainly like to think so. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
For example, I knew that I was a girl since I was very, very small. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
But I didn't have the words to describe what I was feeling, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
and I didn't know it was possible to transition. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
Obviously, I'd seen a bit of it through porn, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
but the stuff that I saw there | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
was slurs, it was zoomed close-ups of genitalia, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
so myself, like an awful lot of people who are questioning | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
whether they might be trans, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
are a bit sort of terrified when they see that. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
So I want to do content that's fun, interesting, and respectful. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:10 | |
Some people would say if you really want to be an activist | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
for the trans community, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:14 | |
there are other ways to do it without getting your clothes off. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
What would you say to them? | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
There certainly are. And great. By all means go and get a job | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
with Stonewall or other organisations like that. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
They do great work, but makes sense for me to do it this way, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
because it is how a lot of people | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
come into contact with it at first. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
So this is where the magic happens. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Look at it. It's a proper set-up, isn't it? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
So you're about to go live. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:45 | |
How many people do you think are going to be watching? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
-About this time of day, normally 200 to 300. -300? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
Sometimes 500. It depends on who else is on, competing. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
-These are the goals... -Yeah. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
..of what you must do | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
for each token...donation. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
Number one is strip down to underwear. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
Goal two, bra off. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
Goal three, underwear off. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
With exclamation mark. Things are getting hot at this stage! | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
Goal four, plug. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Butt plug. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Goal five, fingering, and goal six? | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
It'll be a small dildo. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
-Goal seven? -A bigger dildo. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:25 | |
Ah, well, that makes sense. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Could you take a picture so that I could put that on Twitter? | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
That's cute. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Yeah, the one looking up is good. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
-Being naughty. -That'll do nicely. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
Have fun. Break a leg. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
If you need any tea or anything, just, like, shout. I'll bring it in. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
OK. Ooh, I'm excited. Let's do this. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
Right, hello people. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
We're online. We're live. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Oh, she looks beautiful. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:06 | |
The comments are rolling in. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
Thank you. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:13 | |
Is the sexy farm girl the look you were going for? | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
Hello, goddess. Are you alone? | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
Wow, you're so beautiful. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
OMG, you have a cock? | 0:22:22 | 0:22:23 | |
If that's what you're interested in, it's there. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
You just have to pay for it. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
So they're asking her to stand up. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
They want to see how tall she is. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
But there was... This is really nice to see. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Her fans sort of rally together | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
and were unhappy with one person who was asking her to do things | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
that they were unhappy with. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
He's OK with that one. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:46 | |
It's not like he's asking me to do anything that's messed up. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
Saying that they want to see certain things as well, I'm sure. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
"I like your armpits." | 0:22:55 | 0:22:56 | |
"Lovely bra, Cookie." | 0:22:58 | 0:22:59 | |
"Hey, there. Love the hair." | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Everyone's a fan of the hair. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
You can see she's smiling as well. She's really enjoying it. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
Which, let's be honest, if we're being called beautiful | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
and gorgeous, we'd all be smiling like that. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
When did I come out? | 0:23:17 | 0:23:18 | |
A year and a half ago. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:20 | |
"I want to transition, but don't have the guts to come out." | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
This is the activism she's talking about. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
It's happening right in front of my eyes. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
I mean, it is scary. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
It's really hard for a while, but... | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
..your life gets so much better. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
By the point that you're questioning, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
it's probably for you, | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
and you should probably do something about it, but | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
I'm not going to tell you how, cos I don't know your situation. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
If you need a bit more help with it, though... If you want me to | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
talk you through it more in-depth, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:54 | |
and tell you how I came out and stuff, then... | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
..if you follow me on Twitter, you can message me there, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
and I'm always willing to help out trans people. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
To have that one-to-one advocacy | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
and help from someone who's done that journey before you | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
is incredible, and for it to come from a porn site | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
is the last place you'd expect, but she's using her platform for good. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
-OK. -Yeah! Thanks, Poop. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Cookie has reached her milestone to get her underwear off. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Whoa. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
That is everything, isn't it? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
It's all there. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:35 | |
People are saying, "Great cock." | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
It just hit me. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
There are people watching this now, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
masturbating. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
I never thought of it until now. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
There are potentially 307 people touching themselves | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
right now, watching her. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Wow. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
That's a lot of come. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
Right, guys. I'm going to have to go. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
I will see you all after Christmas. Bye-bye. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
She's done. Let's go and see her on set. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:16 | |
Come on in. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
-Hi. -Hello. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:26 | |
How are you feeling? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
Good, yeah. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
It was a bit of a slower show than usual. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
There was a real split down the middle of | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
questions that were asking you to, you know, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
come and suck yourself off | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
and then the other side you had these real, genuine questions | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
that were asking you about how to come out as a trans person. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
Which side do you prefer getting more or... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
Definitely the trans related stuff. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
That stuff is awesome. I love the fact that that comes up in my chat. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
I love the fact that I've been able to cultivate a fanbase | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
that feels safe talking to me about these things. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
Do you feel empowered after coming off a show like that? | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
What is the feeling? | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
It's kind of like a post euphoria. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
-You feeling it now? -A little bit. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
-Yeah, it's... -Explain it to me. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
I don't know. I love my job, so | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
it's like coming home from a really, really good day at the office | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
for a lot of people, I guess, like, closed a deal or something. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Is porn going to be your career now forever? | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
Is that going to be what you are all about? | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
I would like it to be. Certainly if not as a model, in producing. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:44 | |
It's a great force for change if you use it... | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
-Correctly. -Yeah. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
The porn landscape is far more | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
diverse than I'd ever really considered - | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
different people, proclivities, producers and politics. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
One iconic and controversial US performer, Buck Angel, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
has spent 20 years as a porn activist. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
What makes you a man or what makes you a woman is here. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
Totally here. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:13 | |
If you don't even want to say you're a man or a woman, who cares? | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
We're so hooked on this male and female thing. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
It doesn't really matter. Just be who you are. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
Be comfortable in front of the world. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
So let's just get straight into it. What got you into porn? | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
There was no representation of a man like myself in porn, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
and so I was working in porn | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
and then I noticed there was a huge, huge | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
niche of transgender women porn. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
And I was like, "Wow, how come | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
"there's no transman? That's so weird." | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
And then I just did it. I just invented myself and did it, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
but actually with no blessings from any of the communities, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
no blessings from the porn community, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
and no blessings from the trans community. They hated it. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
Why did they hate you so much? Cos you are a controversial figure. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
The reason why they disliked me in the beginning | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
was because they didn't understand. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
Nobody understood to see a man with a vagina. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
They were very upset about it. And then in the trans male community | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
they were upset about it because when I started in 2002, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
the men like myself wanted to have penises and they thought | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
having a penis was being a man, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
and so they were very upset that I was sort of putting out this | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
sort of different idea of what it means to be a man | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
and so I think that I was going against the grain in a lot of ways. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
I spoke to a couple of people | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
in the process of making this film that still feel a little bit | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
uncomfortable with the idea of | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
a famous man with a vagina. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
Do you think that will ever be a thing that people will accept? | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
It feels very important for me to continue to push these ideas | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
of this structure that we have about what it means | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
to be male or female or what it means to be gay or straight. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
And that's exactly what my work does, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
so when you tell me that people still say that, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
that says to me that, "Wow, we have a lot of work to do." | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
Is there more of a taboo about watching trans porn | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
versus mainstream heterosexual porn? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
For sure, because it is still very, very much considered taboo, | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
and not talked about within the cisgender community, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
or it's very secretive if it is. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
What can be done to make it a lot more, like you said, normal? | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
You have to create visibility, because what visibility does is | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
it enables people to make their own decisions and their own choices, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
where right now we're being told, we've been told forever, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
that pornography is a bad thing and a dirty thing and a horrible thing. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
But if we create great images of | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
pornography and we create, you know, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
positive people working in it, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
what that does is it changes people's idea of what | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
pornography is about. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:47 | |
So for me, really, being visible and creating visibility | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
-is the way to make change. -What is pornography about to you? | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
My pornography is activism. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
It is nothing more than that. It's a way for me to | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
teach people to learn to love themselves, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
no matter what, and to understand that | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
masturbation, sex, learning your body, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
is part of being a human and part of | 0:30:07 | 0:30:11 | |
love and acceptance. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:12 | |
Sex is a good, positive thing. So that's what my pornography is about. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
It's about teaching people to love themselves | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
and understanding that sex is very positive. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
Do you think porn sort of made you into an accidental activist? | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
That's a great title. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
You can use it. It's all yours. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
Actually, 100%. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
100%. I never wanted to be an activist. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
That was not what my work was about. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:34 | |
It was about just making porn and | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
showing a representation. I had no idea what it meant to be | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
an activist. I had no idea what it meant to be controversial. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
I had none of that. I just | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
worked in porn, and I realised that porn | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
was a great way for me to make money and to put myself out there. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
Yeah, I really am an accidental activist, 100%. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
Well, Buck, it was such a pleasure talking to you. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
Right on, my friend. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
I don't even know you that well and I'm proud of you. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
No, I love you too, my friend. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
-Have a lovely day. -OK. -Bye, Buck. -Bye. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Weird pornography? | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
I'm sure there's stuff out there. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:08 | |
My search engine's pretty clean. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
Erm, yeah, the fisting. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
I mean... | 0:31:13 | 0:31:14 | |
Anyone putting any household objects in themselves or up themselves, | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
not for me. Not for me. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
Just thinking about it... | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
Inserting your whole... | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
In.. Oh, yeah. That, to me, is very interesting. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
Strangest things to do with gay porn... | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
Do you know what? Nothing shocks me. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:33 | |
I can watch anything and nothing shocks me any more. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
Today's the day. I am in Central London, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
and I'm on my way to George's big porn shoot. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
It's funny to think that all the | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
people around me on their way to work have absolutely no idea | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
what's about to go down | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
just up here. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
-George, there you are! -Hey! | 0:31:54 | 0:31:55 | |
-How you doing? You all right? -What's up? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
-Good to see you. -How are we today? | 0:31:58 | 0:31:59 | |
Good, yeah. I'm excited. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
Wow, look at this. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
I wasn't expecting something so... | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
profesh. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
Porn dogs, my favourite kind. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
Oh, wait, wait, wait, we've got sex going on here. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
OK, the sex has already started. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
OK, this was not the porn I was hoping for. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
When you were, like in school, when you were younger, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
is this what you envisaged | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
-your life being? -I've always loved sex. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
Always loved sex. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
And obviously when it happened, I was like, "Yeah! | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
"I can do what I love doing and get paid for it." | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
Is this your full time job now? | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
-Oh, so it's not? -No, I have a day job as well. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
-What's that? -I'm the manager of a call centre. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
I think we might leave this one off, because this one does not | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
sound like it's made the transport. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:56 | |
Before today, what kind of checks and stuff | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
had to be done? | 0:33:00 | 0:33:01 | |
Everybody has to go to the sex clinic, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
and they have to bring the certificate. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
We also have the HIV testing kits, but I don't need to do them today, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
because that was included in the test. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
Talk me through the direction of what you want the boys to do, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
so either specific positions, or... | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
Right, so you've got bent over like this | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
and we've got doggy style. This is doggy. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
We're thinking boy like this... | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
like this. We're thinking guy behind him, | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
and we're underneath, cock and balls. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
You're right there. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:29 | |
-Right there. -In the action. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
Now, we've got to dress you. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:34 | |
-We've got some nice chavvy clothes for you today. -Are you serious? | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
I want to give you the camera, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:38 | |
maybe give you a feel of directing and producing a video? | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Are you looking forward to filming? | 0:33:41 | 0:33:42 | |
Well, I didn't know I was filming until | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
this minute, to be honest with you. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
Well, you don't want to just be a spare tyre or anything. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
No, I'm excited now that I get to be part of this amazing thing. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
I mean, you get this close to the bed. Unfortunately, you can't go... | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
-This is the barrier. -This is the BBC barrier. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
This is the BBC barrier. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:58 | |
What have we gotten ourselves into? | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
-This had got to be one hell of a day. -Yeah, innit? | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
I am excited for my eyes to be opened | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
to this wonderful world of porn. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:08 | |
Can I confirm that everyone's signed the model release forms | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
and your IDs, two forms, and done the picture next to your face? | 0:34:14 | 0:34:19 | |
Mother, this is my job. You have to accept it. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
This is just... This is part of what I do now. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
What we want to do is we want to cancel out | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
these nasty, harsh shadows. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
-Hey! -Oh, my God! You look so fucking different. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
All right! | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
Do you like it, George? | 0:34:40 | 0:34:41 | |
I was, like, taking the piss with this. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
-But, yeah. -Go like that... | 0:34:44 | 0:34:45 | |
And when you take pictures, it's always like a little... | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
You pull a little... | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
Ooh, he's like a little otter, isn't he? | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
We're going to start off with... | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
Everyone clothed, and then we're just going to slowly remove | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
the layer, do the onion effect. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
In my personal life, I'm not that big into just sleeping around. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
Can you show us your bum? | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
And look at me, both of you, and then look at the bum. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
How did it all start? | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
How did you get into it for the first time? | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
I left my job cos I hated it. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:17 | |
I was just like feeling a bit crap about myself, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
so I was like, "Oh, I'll just take some pictures." | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
Not really intending for anything to come back, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
and then I got an email back from | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
the site and then... Yeah. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
-Just went from there, really. -Why do you enjoy doing it so much? | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
I think because of where I come from. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
Small, quiet city, no gay people, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
nobody I find attractive, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
I was never able to, like, be myself. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
Even if I did go out, I was getting, like, aggro for it. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
So I just never went out and that kind of like made me more | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
insecure, and then I started doing this and it's helped | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
my confidence come up and that. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
They're so confident. They're just | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
any opportunity, just out. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
It's amazing. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
-Is the sex happening now? -Yeah. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
The sex. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
Clyde, what do you do when you're not on screen? | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
I just... This is the only thing that I do at the moment. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
The reason why I went into porn is because | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
it saved me from being homeless. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
I literally had no money and no-one would help us. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
The only thing I could think of is porn. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
You do get looked down upon, most of the time. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
People say, "Oh, it's a skank job." | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
You know, "You're selling your body and that." | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
Before porn, I didn't really feel like anything. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
I felt insecure about myself. I weren't cute or attractive. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
No-one really goes up to me in the street and says it. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
So when I had the Twitter account | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
and I put all my porn on there, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
I was getting so many followers and I was just surprised | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
at how many people actually liked me. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
-Was it a buzz? -Yeah. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:13 | |
And so now I just want to do porn for my fans, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
the ones who want it and more fans have started following | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
and it's just making me want to do more for them to keep them happy, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
cos it makes me happy, knowing other people like it. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
So if we can all, like, hold hands. This is the porn prayer. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
Before each porn scene I do, we do a thing where we pray to the | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
porn god called Pablo. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
-OK. -Close your eyes. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
So we're praying to you, Pablo the porn god, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
please give us a good scene today, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
no hiccups, no fuck-ups, straight scene. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Let's fuck, let's come up someone's bum. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Let's all have a very good scene. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Please, Pablo, give us a good scene. Amen. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
ALL: Amen. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:00 | |
-There we go. -Wow, I feel cleansed. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
I feel good, yeah. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
How are we going to start? Can we just have a little, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
quick run-down? So we're going to do the... | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
The kissing, the oral... | 0:38:09 | 0:38:10 | |
I want this to start maybe in the action. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
I don't think it's ever going to be, like... | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
And remember, lots of noises as well. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
GROANING | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
WHISPERING: They seem to be really enjoying it. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
It's weird. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:32 | |
It's hot, but it's also not. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
It's like I feel like I shouldn't be here. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
It's so different to watching it on a screen. It's like there. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
Guys, I need you to show me a little bit more of what's going on. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
Can we open it up here? | 0:38:50 | 0:38:51 | |
This is the stage. This is where the audience is looking at. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
And well done so far. You've done very good. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
You want me to do it now? | 0:38:57 | 0:38:58 | |
The guy's going to reapply some lube, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
and then he's going to go in there again, and yeah, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
if you want to take over now. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:03 | |
I mean, I've filmed hundreds of YouTube videos, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
but this is next level. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
Do you like that? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
You keep doing that. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
He's doing a good job. He's doing a good job. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
OK, so wait... | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
Well, you went in, didn't you? | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
Do you like that? | 0:39:28 | 0:39:29 | |
Faster. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
OK, that's it, yeah. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
That does it. Guys, you were brilliant. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
You guys really did a great job. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:39 | |
Drink, guys? | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
I think we're getting close to going, yeah? | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
OK, good luck. I'll see you downstairs when you're done. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
OK, bye. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
I'm in shock. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
I thought I'd be really turned on by it, but I'm not. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
This is not what I expected at all. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
I think for the boys it's like another day at the office. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
It was an eye-opener to shoot some of it myself, but... | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
..it was so uncomfortable, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
telling this guy what to do. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
I don't know. It just feels weird. I feel a little bit... | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
-The BBC, they're there? -Hi. -Hey. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
What happened? | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
George, did you get naked? | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
I did, yeah. That was... | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
I was not meant to be naked. That scene heated up. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
-Don't take this personally. The minute you left. -Oh, well. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
-No, no, no, I didn't mean that personally. -So it's a hit? -Yeah. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
Oh, yeah, baby. There's a shower upstairs. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
'Society's relationship with porn has always been complicated, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
'but pornography often provides the first insight | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
'into sexuality for young queer people. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
'The plethora of porn available | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
'is as varied as those of us who watch it.' | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
What happened after I left, guys? Because it all seemed to, like... | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
climax really quickly? | 0:41:07 | 0:41:08 | |
Clyde got hard really quickly | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
through George trying to get him hard. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
-Clyde started -BLEEP -George, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
-and then I started -BLEEP -George at the same time, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
and then everybody just come. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
Like, all at the same time, basically? | 0:41:21 | 0:41:22 | |
-I come first, while I was -BLEEP -him, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
-but Clyde was -BLEEP -him at the same time as well, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
then Clyde come and then you come. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
And then George come at the end. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
'Titillation, masturbation, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
'validation and education. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
'It's a chance not only to explore our deepest fantasies, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
'but to write our own queer narrative.' | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
Do you think what you created here today is generally | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
very positive for the LGBTQ community? | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
Yeah, I mean, it's porn. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
People want to watch porn. It's good porn to watch. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
I know you want to get dressed and have a bit of food, you're starving. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
-I'll let you do that and I'll chat to you in a bit, yeah? -Sure, OK. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
You just kind of forget that there's naked people around, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
just like, you know, it just becomes normal, doesn't it? | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 |