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I really like porn. A lot. Really like it.

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It fulfils a purpose and then you get on with your day,

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and I think as a red-blooded male,

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I am not the only one who feels this way.

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Even you ladies too. Don't deny it. I know what you get up to.

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I'm watching you.

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Now, then. According to PornHub, the most searched term for gay men is straight men.

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I've got lesbian friends that really like watching gay male porn.

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It's straight guys who are the biggest consumers

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of trans porn, and of course,

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transgender people enjoy watching cisgender porn as well.

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And for any of you straight fellas watching,

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you know those lesbians you love so, so much?

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They're not real lesbians.

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So basically it's a total clusterfuck.

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In the online playground of porn,

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sexuality is even more fluid than it is in the real world.

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For better or worse,

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porn is everywhere. Porn on your phone,

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porn on your laptop, in the movies,

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in your workplace. Porn - it's in your home.

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Porn - it's right in front of you.

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Porn. Don't you love it?

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So who are the people that are making LGBTQ porn?

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Why are they making it?

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And who's watching it? Is there more to it than

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just people getting themselves off?

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Do I watch pornography?

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-Erm...

-I do.

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-Yeah.

-Yes.

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Erm... Occasionally.

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But I have a boyfriend, so please don't put that in.

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I know a lot of people that have. I know a lot of people that do.

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No.

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Of course. Doesn't everyone?

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It's so problematic.

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It's fetishistic. It's tokenistic.

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It's racist. It's sexist.

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Oh, my God. Yes.

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Yes, I do.

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-You know, I used to be, like, an addict of porn.

-Really?

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-Yeah, like, totally.

-No!

-No, honestly.

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No. Not my kind of thing.

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I love pornography.

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I personally don't use it, no.

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No, I don't. I've never been into it.

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It's just not... Not my thing, really, no.

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Yeah.

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I've come to South London to meet George.

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He's a gay porn star and producer

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and he specialises in chav porn. Mm-hm.

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So I'm going to go in there,

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meet him and actually take part in a phone casting.

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I'm pretty nervous, but if I'm honest with you,

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really excited.

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-Hi, George.

-Hello.

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Nice to meet you. How are you?

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I'm very well, thank you. Nice to meet you. Come on in.

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-Look at your lovely flat.

-This is it.

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-Thanks for having me.

-That's OK.

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So you've got an online character, an online persona,

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who is he?

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My online persona is Hung Young Brit.

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And he is a...

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A very poor, straight-acting chav. "You all right, mate?

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"What's up wi' you?" Spit in their face.

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You know, it's this kind of real sort of straight fantasy

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that a lot of gay guys have. You know, about

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very Nike, Adidas-wearing, chavvy, you know...

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JD Sports kind of wearing chav.

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Why is the straight lad, chav porn thing such a massive fetish?

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I mean, I grew up in a town

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that is very... A very poor commuter town.

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And it's close to London and there is... It had a dockyard

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and the dockyard closed down and all the jobs went away

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and the boys on the street, as you're growing up,

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are very...

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scally, they're very chavvy, and it's what I was fantasising about.

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But what's interesting is you go on the gay scene,

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no-one dresses like that.

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You know, so in their minds, they might have a sexualised image of,

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you know, a spitting, smoking chav.

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But they're not going to dress like that or look like that

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just to get laid. They're actually going to look very,

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very smart, like yourself, you know?

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Today we are working in the office.

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I'm going to do the casting,

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so I'll take you through the process from start to finish.

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Is there a set of things that we are going to be looking for,

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things that will completely rule them out,

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-and things that will put them into the top?

-Yeah.

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You know, you don't ever want to convince anyone to do anything.

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People have to be 100% natural,

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so you need to know what their limits are,

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cos you want to work around them.

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You don't ever want them to work with you.

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PHONE RINGS

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-'Hi.'

-Hi. How are you doing?

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It's George Mason calling from Hung Young Brit

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from XTube, and are you still interested in being in adult films?

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'Yes.'

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You are? That's good news. We like that.

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Have you done any videos before?

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-'No.'

-No.

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Very well. By the way, I'm looking at your picture,

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and you are very handsome, by the way, I've got to say,

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you are very, very handsome.

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'Thank you.'

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Mm, no, we like that. Are you happy for guys to spunk in your mouth?

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-'Yeah.'

-Yeah, OK.

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And likewise, if you were going to bottom in a video,

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you are also happy to receive that?

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'Both. I can give too.'

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Cool, I think that's a yes, so we'll put yes on that one.

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Cool, anything that you change your mind on,

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and if you don't want to... You know, if you don't feel comfortable

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doing it on the day, then you don't feel comfortable on the day.

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It's absolutely not a problem. Why do you want to be in porn,

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and can I ask you, what attracts you about being in the movies?

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'I just want to see what this kind of work can offer.

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'It's just, you know, it's try, if I like it or not.

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'I want to try everything, so why not?

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'I like sex. I like everything in sex, so...'

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Brilliant, baby. I've got to tell you now,

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that's exactly the right attitude.

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My name's Riyadh. What kind of porn do you look at?

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HE LAUGHS

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'Erm... I like group, bareback, gang bang, something like that.'

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Very open-minded. We like you better and better by the minute.

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Cool, all right, baby, listen, thank you very much for your time today.

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-Lovely talking to you.

-'Thank you.'

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Save my number. It's Hung Young Brit and I will speak to you soon.

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OK, bye-bye.

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-Oh.

-Ooh.

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Oh, I like him.

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He's cute.

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BOTH LAUGH

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We're looking for the same thing!

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Chest hair - smooth, natural.

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Sexual role - versatile bottom.

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Cock size - seven inches.

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Cut, uncut - he's cut.

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Oh, there we are. He likes... He's a transsexual.

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I don't unfortunately have a market for that.

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-Aw!

-Aw! He's lovely, isn't he?

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PHONE RINGS

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-'Hello?'

-Oh, I like him.

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-Jesus!

-That weighs something, doesn't it?

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That's a big fucking...

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It's almost disproportionate to his body, it's that big. It's like...

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Wet and messy. W-A-M.

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I think that's shit and piss, isn't it?

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-Have you done porn before?

-'No.'

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And in your ass?

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'Yeah.'

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And vice-versa, would you do it to someone else?

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'Yeah.'

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OK.

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How much would I get paid

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if I was to do porn?

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It's about £150 for a solo scene,

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and then anything from £200 to £300,

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which 300, I can promise you, is the top end for every other studio,

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to do full-on fucking.

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I thought the actor would have got

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like five, maybe ten grand?

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You've always got to look at the reasons why someone's doing porn.

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And if someone says, you know,

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"Pfft! I want the money, times are hard right now."

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You don't want to cast that guy,

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-cos that guy might regret it in the future.

-OK.

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That was an eye-opener, to say the least.

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I mean, George is

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like the Alan Sugar businessman of the porn world.

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I can't believe how business-savvy he is.

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And the funny thing is,

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when you look at the guys who have been applying,

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these hundreds of guys,

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almost all of them have never done porn before.

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I'm really, really excited about the shoot day.

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I don't know what to expect.

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I know that George... He's a horny fella.

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So maybe he'll want to take part more than he says he does.

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I don't think that girl-girl porn is for girls.

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I think it's for guys.

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-Trans porn's too much.

-Oh, no, I can't...

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It's so fake!

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To try and find body positive or gender positive trans porn,

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it's just she-males or whatever.

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The kind of people and bodies

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and things that you see in pornography are so often

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not what you experience in real life.

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But it doesn't represent the LGBT community as a whole.

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It just feels fake.

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They've got long nails, for starters.

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It's like you wouldn't have long nails.

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They make noises when nothing's happening.

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How many girls do you know have a pillow fight

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and end up having sex? I don't think it really works.

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It's just not something that you would ever do with a girl.

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Across the pond in California,

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award-winner film-maker Shine Louise Houston

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and porn star Jiz Lee are creating what they term queer porn.

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-Hi.

-Hi.

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Shine, Jiz, lovely to speak to you.

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-I'm Riyadh.

-Nice to meet you.

-Hi, nice to meet you.

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Why did you decide that queer porn was the career for you?

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Visual media is so powerful.

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We see all these different stories about other people

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all the time, but we don't really see a lot of stories

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about ourselves, especially about queer people being sexual.

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So I think it's really important for us to create our own,

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like, narratives, where we are the objects of desire.

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If we're not creating those narratives and we have other people

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who don't have our experiences doing it for us,

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or on our behalf, they often don't do it correctly.

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The style that we shoot and also when we work with talent

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we really ask them what they want to do today.

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I don't direct the talent at all. I only direct the cameras,

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so, you know, whatever they want to do, it's because, like,

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they're really into it, so I think we get a more honest performance.

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Is queer porn and what you're

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creating important for the community?

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In looking at pornography that often

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is very limited in who gets to be sexy,

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what kind of sex they have,

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to not see yourself represented kind of...

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-It can make you feel that you're not normal.

-Right.

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So it is really invalidating for a queer or for trans people,

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people of colour, people of size,

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people with different abilities,

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to be able to see something and see themselves

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reflected as someone who's capable of a happy, healthy sexuality,

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and I think that queer and trans people look to porn a little

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differently than heterosexual, cisgender people might.

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Because for a long time we didn't have sex ed

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that included trans or queer sexuality or orientation

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and we didn't see ourselves in mainstream media

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in those stories and so porn was this one place where we were.

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I think it's come to, like, a critical mass.

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You know, there's a lot of us. We're kind of a movement.

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Queer revolution!

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Yeah, you know, there's just a lot of people out there making

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really well-informed work.

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In what ways can porn help people in the LGBTQ community?

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If you're in rural Virginia, and you're feeling like the only queer,

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you know, we've had a lot of people like,

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"Oh, my God! There are more queers!"

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Do you know what I mean? "I'm not the only one."

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And it can give them a sense of, like,

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"OK, I am part of a larger community."

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-And that they can be sexy.

-Yeah.

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-It's important, isn't it?

-Very.

-I think so.

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What do you say to people who claim that porn

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is exploitative to people?

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I don't think because sex and money are involved

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that it is inherently...

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Creates a power imbalance.

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I think there are people who will take advantage of other people,

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but like I said, I don't think that's inherent in the industry.

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I think that's on an individual basis.

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What's your favourite type of porn to produce?

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You can be really detailed in your descriptions. I don't mind.

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Um...I don't know.

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I don't know if I have...

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I mean, I like my own porn.

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You know, they really hit the nail on the head.

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LGBTQ people are underrepresented across the board,

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specifically in mainstream media. And what they're creating

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is finally giving those underrepresented people a voice,

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a space, and a chance to feel sexy.

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But what, if anything, is being done here in queer Britain?

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I've got to think about it, how to phrase it.

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I'm Blath and I make artisanal pornography,

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by and for queer people.

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I think queer porn is porn that does not

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cater to the straight male audience as much,

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cos they're already really over-catered to.

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Queer porn caters to people who have got more fringe sexualities

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that are not represented as much.

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Wow.

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I've never looked at

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porn and thought,

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"That was beautiful," at the end.

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-Thank you, that is...

-It's a real work of art, isn't it?

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That is what I was going for. Thanks.

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-Like, I mean...

-That's very validating for me.

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I mean, I am a gay man and, you know, I'm very sure of that,

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but even at points I was all,

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-"Mm, you know, it's kind of hot." It was hot.

-Thanks.

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Who is it that watches this stuff? Like, who are your audience?

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Most of my customers are, like, lesbians,

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trans women, non-binary people,

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like pretty much everyone you can think of.

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When you started making this stuff,

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did you realise just how important it was that they

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weren't being catered for, all of these people?

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A lot of people got, like, a lot more excited about it

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than I thought that they would,

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just because I think so little of it exists that whenever

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someone else starts making this kind of thing,

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people are really, really enthusiastic to, like,

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support them by spreading the word or financially or whatever.

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What kind of reaction do you get

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from the people that watch your stuff?

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Do you ever get messages from them

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saying that it's helped them in any way?

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I had one person say that they kind of realised that they weren't

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entirely, like, a straight woman from watching,

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cos they'd never seen femininity presented in such an intimate way,

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and they were like...

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"I'm kind of into this, actually."

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It's not just bam-bam-bam-bam-ugh!

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There's a bit more.

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Yeah, there's a bit more. It feels a bit more personal, I think,

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so it kind of taps into something a little bit

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-more than just your base urges?

-Yeah.

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Describe to me what feminist porn is? Cos I thought feminist porn -

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I haven't seen any - was where the woman in the film

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is a bit more in control than she would normally be?

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Like a bit more dominant.

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Yeah, not always as submissive.

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And there's a bit more equality in the roles.

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It can be part of it,

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but I think there's a big misunderstanding about

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the pornography being empowering,

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and it's, like, I don't think we have to worry so much

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about it being empowering as much as we need to worry about

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everyone just being treated fairly. I think that's the main issue.

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The whole side of the porn world

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where it's the user-generated content,

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where you are making yourself the star,

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is that becoming more of a thing?

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It's way more of a thing, yeah.

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I think it's definitely the direction that porn is moving in.

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It's much more, like, cam sites are pretty much

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the biggest kind of money generator in the industry now.

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I think people are really more craving a kind of

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personal connection, especially because of, like,

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social media and stuff.

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People feel that they want kind of more than just a 2D sexual act

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from a performer, which I mean, back in the '90s, maybe porn stars

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didn't have to worry about, you know, keeping a nice persona

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up on Twitter, for instance,

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whereas now you're much more connected with everyone,

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like, all the time, but consumers are very into that.

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With advances in technology making content and performers

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more accessible than ever,

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there's been a revolution in porn.

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Webcam shows have exploded in popularity,

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and that's because audiences nowadays want that live

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interaction with the performer.

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I'm going to meet Cookie, who is a webcam performer.

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Hello.

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I think the reason that I do porn would actually be kind of advocacy.

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I will not market myself as trans.

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I just market myself as a woman who happens to have a penis.

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Words like she-male, tranny, all of this stuff,

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I avoid those completely. I won't work with those terms.

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A lot of questioning people,

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when they first come into contact with the concept of being trans,

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get it through porn.

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A lot of what makes it popular with the mainstream is

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very male gazey. It reduces trans women down to penis and boobs.

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Trans people are often quite hard to find in real life,

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and so people can kind of get to know us a bit more

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through a camming show.

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It's more interactive. People can talk to you and ask you questions.

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They get a bit more of your personality,

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rather than just 20 minutes of sex.

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It's hugely empowering.

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It's nice to see my body reflect who I am.

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The moment when you look down and you're like,

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"Oh, my boobs have grown," it's sort of like a...

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And can I ask, the boobs that you have now,

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-are they 100% natural?

-Mm-hm.

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-They are.

-Yeah, no, no surgery involved.

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Cos they're quite big.

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Do you think porn is a place where people can experiment

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with their gender identity, and explore who they are?

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For me, certainly. It's led to an awful lot of realisations

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about what my sexuality is.

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It's led me to coming out as a lesbian.

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Certainly speaking as someone who, six months ago,

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couldn't look in a mirror

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at certain parts of my body,

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I...

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feel an awful lot more confident now I've started doings things.

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What gave you that confidence?

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Probably about the 50 people a day that send me nice messages

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and tell me that I look nice.

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Well, it's validation you're getting from people.

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Kind of, and they engage with my personality as well.

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This is the thing. If you're going to be successful as a performer,

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you can't just look nice.

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It's hard to engage with someone's personality in a porn film,

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whereas if you've got two or three hours,

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on a live broadcast,

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a lot of that is going to be people asking you questions.

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What's your motivation for doing it?

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First and foremost for me was

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confidence and advocacy.

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It sounds kind of strange to talk about

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advocacy from a porn perspective because there is this...

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Stigma?

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Yeah, there's a large stigma of trans women all being

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sex workers. I try and do things as differently as I possibly can

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from mainstream trans porn. People are always going to get

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introduced to this identity through porn.

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If there's going to be an introduction through porn,

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which is unfortunate, I would like it to be a good impression.

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-And that's what you're creating.

-Yeah.

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Well, I'd certainly like to think so.

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For example, I knew that I was a girl since I was very, very small.

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But I didn't have the words to describe what I was feeling,

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and I didn't know it was possible to transition.

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Obviously, I'd seen a bit of it through porn,

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but the stuff that I saw there

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was slurs, it was zoomed close-ups of genitalia,

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so myself, like an awful lot of people who are questioning

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whether they might be trans,

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are a bit sort of terrified when they see that.

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So I want to do content that's fun, interesting, and respectful.

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Some people would say if you really want to be an activist

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for the trans community,

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there are other ways to do it without getting your clothes off.

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What would you say to them?

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There certainly are. And great. By all means go and get a job

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with Stonewall or other organisations like that.

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They do great work, but makes sense for me to do it this way,

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because it is how a lot of people

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come into contact with it at first.

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So this is where the magic happens.

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Look at it. It's a proper set-up, isn't it?

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So you're about to go live.

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How many people do you think are going to be watching?

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-About this time of day, normally 200 to 300.

-300?

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Sometimes 500. It depends on who else is on, competing.

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-These are the goals...

-Yeah.

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..of what you must do

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for each token...donation.

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Number one is strip down to underwear.

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Goal two, bra off.

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Goal three, underwear off.

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With exclamation mark. Things are getting hot at this stage!

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Goal four, plug.

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Butt plug.

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Goal five, fingering, and goal six?

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It'll be a small dildo.

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-Goal seven?

-A bigger dildo.

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Ah, well, that makes sense.

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Could you take a picture so that I could put that on Twitter?

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That's cute.

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Yeah, the one looking up is good.

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-Being naughty.

-That'll do nicely.

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Have fun. Break a leg.

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If you need any tea or anything, just, like, shout. I'll bring it in.

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OK. Ooh, I'm excited. Let's do this.

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Right, hello people.

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We're online. We're live.

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Oh, she looks beautiful.

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The comments are rolling in.

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Thank you.

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Is the sexy farm girl the look you were going for?

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Hello, goddess. Are you alone?

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Wow, you're so beautiful.

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OMG, you have a cock?

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If that's what you're interested in, it's there.

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You just have to pay for it.

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So they're asking her to stand up.

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They want to see how tall she is.

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But there was... This is really nice to see.

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Her fans sort of rally together

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and were unhappy with one person who was asking her to do things

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that they were unhappy with.

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He's OK with that one.

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It's not like he's asking me to do anything that's messed up.

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Saying that they want to see certain things as well, I'm sure.

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"I like your armpits."

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"Lovely bra, Cookie."

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"Hey, there. Love the hair."

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Everyone's a fan of the hair.

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You can see she's smiling as well. She's really enjoying it.

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Which, let's be honest, if we're being called beautiful

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and gorgeous, we'd all be smiling like that.

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When did I come out?

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A year and a half ago.

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"I want to transition, but don't have the guts to come out."

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This is the activism she's talking about.

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It's happening right in front of my eyes.

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I mean, it is scary.

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It's really hard for a while, but...

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..your life gets so much better.

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By the point that you're questioning,

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it's probably for you,

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and you should probably do something about it, but

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I'm not going to tell you how, cos I don't know your situation.

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If you need a bit more help with it, though... If you want me to

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talk you through it more in-depth,

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and tell you how I came out and stuff, then...

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..if you follow me on Twitter, you can message me there,

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and I'm always willing to help out trans people.

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To have that one-to-one advocacy

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and help from someone who's done that journey before you

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is incredible, and for it to come from a porn site

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is the last place you'd expect, but she's using her platform for good.

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-OK.

-Yeah! Thanks, Poop.

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Cookie has reached her milestone to get her underwear off.

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Whoa.

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That is everything, isn't it?

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It's all there.

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People are saying, "Great cock."

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It just hit me.

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There are people watching this now,

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masturbating.

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I never thought of it until now.

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There are potentially 307 people touching themselves

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right now, watching her.

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Wow.

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That's a lot of come.

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Right, guys. I'm going to have to go.

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I will see you all after Christmas. Bye-bye.

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She's done. Let's go and see her on set.

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Come on in.

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-Hi.

-Hello.

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How are you feeling?

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Good, yeah.

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It was a bit of a slower show than usual.

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There was a real split down the middle of

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questions that were asking you to, you know,

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come and suck yourself off

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and then the other side you had these real, genuine questions

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that were asking you about how to come out as a trans person.

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Which side do you prefer getting more or...

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Definitely the trans related stuff.

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That stuff is awesome. I love the fact that that comes up in my chat.

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I love the fact that I've been able to cultivate a fanbase

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that feels safe talking to me about these things.

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Do you feel empowered after coming off a show like that?

0:26:080:26:12

What is the feeling?

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It's kind of like a post euphoria.

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-You feeling it now?

-A little bit.

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-Yeah, it's...

-Explain it to me.

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I don't know. I love my job, so

0:26:220:26:24

it's like coming home from a really, really good day at the office

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for a lot of people, I guess, like, closed a deal or something.

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Is porn going to be your career now forever?

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Is that going to be what you are all about?

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I would like it to be. Certainly if not as a model, in producing.

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It's a great force for change if you use it...

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-Correctly.

-Yeah.

0:26:470:26:49

The porn landscape is far more

0:26:520:26:53

diverse than I'd ever really considered -

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different people, proclivities, producers and politics.

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One iconic and controversial US performer, Buck Angel,

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has spent 20 years as a porn activist.

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What makes you a man or what makes you a woman is here.

0:27:090:27:12

Totally here.

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If you don't even want to say you're a man or a woman, who cares?

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We're so hooked on this male and female thing.

0:27:160:27:19

It doesn't really matter. Just be who you are.

0:27:190:27:22

Be comfortable in front of the world.

0:27:220:27:25

So let's just get straight into it. What got you into porn?

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There was no representation of a man like myself in porn,

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and so I was working in porn

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and then I noticed there was a huge, huge

0:27:350:27:40

niche of transgender women porn.

0:27:400:27:42

And I was like, "Wow, how come

0:27:420:27:44

"there's no transman? That's so weird."

0:27:440:27:46

And then I just did it. I just invented myself and did it,

0:27:460:27:50

but actually with no blessings from any of the communities,

0:27:500:27:54

no blessings from the porn community,

0:27:540:27:56

and no blessings from the trans community. They hated it.

0:27:560:27:59

Why did they hate you so much? Cos you are a controversial figure.

0:27:590:28:03

The reason why they disliked me in the beginning

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was because they didn't understand.

0:28:050:28:07

Nobody understood to see a man with a vagina.

0:28:070:28:10

They were very upset about it. And then in the trans male community

0:28:100:28:13

they were upset about it because when I started in 2002,

0:28:130:28:16

the men like myself wanted to have penises and they thought

0:28:160:28:19

having a penis was being a man,

0:28:190:28:21

and so they were very upset that I was sort of putting out this

0:28:210:28:24

sort of different idea of what it means to be a man

0:28:240:28:27

and so I think that I was going against the grain in a lot of ways.

0:28:270:28:30

I spoke to a couple of people

0:28:300:28:32

in the process of making this film that still feel a little bit

0:28:320:28:36

uncomfortable with the idea of

0:28:360:28:39

a famous man with a vagina.

0:28:390:28:40

Do you think that will ever be a thing that people will accept?

0:28:400:28:43

It feels very important for me to continue to push these ideas

0:28:430:28:47

of this structure that we have about what it means

0:28:470:28:51

to be male or female or what it means to be gay or straight.

0:28:510:28:54

And that's exactly what my work does,

0:28:540:28:56

so when you tell me that people still say that,

0:28:560:28:58

that says to me that, "Wow, we have a lot of work to do."

0:28:580:29:02

Is there more of a taboo about watching trans porn

0:29:020:29:06

versus mainstream heterosexual porn?

0:29:060:29:08

For sure, because it is still very, very much considered taboo,

0:29:080:29:13

and not talked about within the cisgender community,

0:29:130:29:16

or it's very secretive if it is.

0:29:160:29:19

What can be done to make it a lot more, like you said, normal?

0:29:190:29:24

You have to create visibility, because what visibility does is

0:29:240:29:28

it enables people to make their own decisions and their own choices,

0:29:280:29:32

where right now we're being told, we've been told forever,

0:29:320:29:34

that pornography is a bad thing and a dirty thing and a horrible thing.

0:29:340:29:38

But if we create great images of

0:29:380:29:40

pornography and we create, you know,

0:29:400:29:42

positive people working in it,

0:29:420:29:44

what that does is it changes people's idea of what

0:29:440:29:46

pornography is about.

0:29:460:29:47

So for me, really, being visible and creating visibility

0:29:470:29:50

-is the way to make change.

-What is pornography about to you?

0:29:500:29:54

My pornography is activism.

0:29:540:29:56

It is nothing more than that. It's a way for me to

0:29:560:29:59

teach people to learn to love themselves,

0:29:590:30:01

no matter what, and to understand that

0:30:010:30:03

masturbation, sex, learning your body,

0:30:030:30:07

is part of being a human and part of

0:30:070:30:11

love and acceptance.

0:30:110:30:12

Sex is a good, positive thing. So that's what my pornography is about.

0:30:120:30:15

It's about teaching people to love themselves

0:30:150:30:17

and understanding that sex is very positive.

0:30:170:30:20

Do you think porn sort of made you into an accidental activist?

0:30:200:30:24

That's a great title.

0:30:240:30:26

You can use it. It's all yours.

0:30:260:30:28

Actually, 100%.

0:30:280:30:30

100%. I never wanted to be an activist.

0:30:300:30:33

That was not what my work was about.

0:30:330:30:34

It was about just making porn and

0:30:340:30:36

showing a representation. I had no idea what it meant to be

0:30:360:30:39

an activist. I had no idea what it meant to be controversial.

0:30:390:30:42

I had none of that. I just

0:30:420:30:44

worked in porn, and I realised that porn

0:30:440:30:46

was a great way for me to make money and to put myself out there.

0:30:460:30:51

Yeah, I really am an accidental activist, 100%.

0:30:510:30:54

Well, Buck, it was such a pleasure talking to you.

0:30:540:30:56

Right on, my friend.

0:30:560:30:58

I don't even know you that well and I'm proud of you.

0:30:580:31:00

No, I love you too, my friend.

0:31:000:31:02

-Have a lovely day.

-OK.

-Bye, Buck.

-Bye.

0:31:020:31:05

Weird pornography?

0:31:050:31:07

I'm sure there's stuff out there.

0:31:070:31:08

My search engine's pretty clean.

0:31:080:31:11

Erm, yeah, the fisting.

0:31:110:31:13

I mean...

0:31:130:31:14

Anyone putting any household objects in themselves or up themselves,

0:31:140:31:18

not for me. Not for me.

0:31:180:31:20

Just thinking about it...

0:31:200:31:22

Inserting your whole...

0:31:220:31:25

In.. Oh, yeah. That, to me, is very interesting.

0:31:250:31:29

Strangest things to do with gay porn...

0:31:290:31:32

Do you know what? Nothing shocks me.

0:31:320:31:33

I can watch anything and nothing shocks me any more.

0:31:330:31:36

Today's the day. I am in Central London,

0:31:380:31:41

and I'm on my way to George's big porn shoot.

0:31:410:31:45

It's funny to think that all the

0:31:460:31:48

people around me on their way to work have absolutely no idea

0:31:480:31:50

what's about to go down

0:31:500:31:52

just up here.

0:31:520:31:54

-George, there you are!

-Hey!

0:31:540:31:55

-How you doing? You all right?

-What's up?

0:31:550:31:58

-Good to see you.

-How are we today?

0:31:580:31:59

Good, yeah. I'm excited.

0:31:590:32:01

Wow, look at this.

0:32:010:32:03

I wasn't expecting something so...

0:32:040:32:06

profesh.

0:32:060:32:08

Porn dogs, my favourite kind.

0:32:080:32:10

Oh, wait, wait, wait, we've got sex going on here.

0:32:110:32:14

OK, the sex has already started.

0:32:160:32:19

OK, this was not the porn I was hoping for.

0:32:220:32:24

When you were, like in school, when you were younger,

0:32:250:32:28

is this what you envisaged

0:32:280:32:30

-your life being?

-I've always loved sex.

0:32:300:32:32

Always loved sex.

0:32:320:32:34

And obviously when it happened, I was like, "Yeah!

0:32:340:32:37

"I can do what I love doing and get paid for it."

0:32:370:32:40

Is this your full time job now?

0:32:400:32:42

-Oh, so it's not?

-No, I have a day job as well.

0:32:420:32:45

-What's that?

-I'm the manager of a call centre.

0:32:450:32:47

I think we might leave this one off, because this one does not

0:32:520:32:55

sound like it's made the transport.

0:32:550:32:56

Before today, what kind of checks and stuff

0:32:570:33:00

had to be done?

0:33:000:33:01

Everybody has to go to the sex clinic,

0:33:010:33:04

and they have to bring the certificate.

0:33:040:33:06

We also have the HIV testing kits, but I don't need to do them today,

0:33:060:33:09

because that was included in the test.

0:33:090:33:11

Talk me through the direction of what you want the boys to do,

0:33:110:33:14

so either specific positions, or...

0:33:140:33:17

Right, so you've got bent over like this

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and we've got doggy style. This is doggy.

0:33:200:33:22

We're thinking boy like this...

0:33:220:33:24

like this. We're thinking guy behind him,

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and we're underneath, cock and balls.

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You're right there.

0:33:280:33:29

-Right there.

-In the action.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:33:290:33:31

Now, we've got to dress you.

0:33:330:33:34

-We've got some nice chavvy clothes for you today.

-Are you serious?

0:33:340:33:37

I want to give you the camera,

0:33:370:33:38

maybe give you a feel of directing and producing a video?

0:33:380:33:41

Are you looking forward to filming?

0:33:410:33:42

Well, I didn't know I was filming until

0:33:420:33:44

this minute, to be honest with you.

0:33:440:33:46

Well, you don't want to just be a spare tyre or anything.

0:33:460:33:48

No, I'm excited now that I get to be part of this amazing thing.

0:33:480:33:51

I mean, you get this close to the bed. Unfortunately, you can't go...

0:33:510:33:55

-This is the barrier.

-This is the BBC barrier.

0:33:550:33:57

This is the BBC barrier.

0:33:570:33:58

What have we gotten ourselves into?

0:34:000:34:02

-This had got to be one hell of a day.

-Yeah, innit?

0:34:020:34:04

I am excited for my eyes to be opened

0:34:040:34:07

to this wonderful world of porn.

0:34:070:34:08

Can I confirm that everyone's signed the model release forms

0:34:110:34:14

and your IDs, two forms, and done the picture next to your face?

0:34:140:34:19

Mother, this is my job. You have to accept it.

0:34:210:34:24

This is just... This is part of what I do now.

0:34:240:34:27

What we want to do is we want to cancel out

0:34:270:34:30

these nasty, harsh shadows.

0:34:300:34:33

-Hey!

-Oh, my God! You look so fucking different.

0:34:330:34:37

All right!

0:34:370:34:38

Do you like it, George?

0:34:400:34:41

I was, like, taking the piss with this.

0:34:410:34:44

-But, yeah.

-Go like that...

0:34:440:34:45

And when you take pictures, it's always like a little...

0:34:460:34:49

You pull a little...

0:34:490:34:51

Ooh, he's like a little otter, isn't he?

0:34:510:34:53

We're going to start off with...

0:34:530:34:56

Everyone clothed, and then we're just going to slowly remove

0:34:560:34:59

the layer, do the onion effect.

0:34:590:35:01

In my personal life, I'm not that big into just sleeping around.

0:35:010:35:05

Can you show us your bum?

0:35:060:35:08

And look at me, both of you, and then look at the bum.

0:35:080:35:12

How did it all start?

0:35:120:35:14

How did you get into it for the first time?

0:35:140:35:16

I left my job cos I hated it.

0:35:160:35:17

I was just like feeling a bit crap about myself,

0:35:170:35:20

so I was like, "Oh, I'll just take some pictures."

0:35:200:35:22

Not really intending for anything to come back,

0:35:220:35:25

and then I got an email back from

0:35:250:35:29

the site and then... Yeah.

0:35:290:35:31

-Just went from there, really.

-Why do you enjoy doing it so much?

0:35:310:35:34

I think because of where I come from.

0:35:340:35:37

Small, quiet city, no gay people,

0:35:370:35:40

nobody I find attractive,

0:35:400:35:42

I was never able to, like, be myself.

0:35:420:35:44

Even if I did go out, I was getting, like, aggro for it.

0:35:440:35:47

So I just never went out and that kind of like made me more

0:35:470:35:52

insecure, and then I started doing this and it's helped

0:35:520:35:55

my confidence come up and that.

0:35:550:35:58

They're so confident. They're just

0:35:590:36:02

any opportunity, just out.

0:36:020:36:04

It's amazing.

0:36:040:36:05

-Is the sex happening now?

-Yeah.

0:36:130:36:15

The sex.

0:36:150:36:17

Clyde, what do you do when you're not on screen?

0:36:230:36:26

I just... This is the only thing that I do at the moment.

0:36:260:36:29

The reason why I went into porn is because

0:36:290:36:31

it saved me from being homeless.

0:36:310:36:33

I literally had no money and no-one would help us.

0:36:330:36:37

The only thing I could think of is porn.

0:36:380:36:40

You do get looked down upon, most of the time.

0:36:420:36:45

People say, "Oh, it's a skank job."

0:36:450:36:48

You know, "You're selling your body and that."

0:36:480:36:50

Before porn, I didn't really feel like anything.

0:36:500:36:54

I felt insecure about myself. I weren't cute or attractive.

0:36:540:36:57

No-one really goes up to me in the street and says it.

0:36:570:37:01

So when I had the Twitter account

0:37:010:37:03

and I put all my porn on there,

0:37:030:37:06

I was getting so many followers and I was just surprised

0:37:060:37:09

at how many people actually liked me.

0:37:090:37:12

-Was it a buzz?

-Yeah.

0:37:120:37:13

And so now I just want to do porn for my fans,

0:37:130:37:16

the ones who want it and more fans have started following

0:37:160:37:20

and it's just making me want to do more for them to keep them happy,

0:37:200:37:23

cos it makes me happy, knowing other people like it.

0:37:230:37:26

So if we can all, like, hold hands. This is the porn prayer.

0:37:310:37:35

Before each porn scene I do, we do a thing where we pray to the

0:37:350:37:39

porn god called Pablo.

0:37:390:37:41

-OK.

-Close your eyes.

0:37:410:37:44

So we're praying to you, Pablo the porn god,

0:37:440:37:46

please give us a good scene today,

0:37:460:37:48

no hiccups, no fuck-ups, straight scene.

0:37:480:37:51

Let's fuck, let's come up someone's bum.

0:37:510:37:54

Let's all have a very good scene.

0:37:540:37:56

Please, Pablo, give us a good scene. Amen.

0:37:560:37:59

ALL: Amen.

0:37:590:38:00

-There we go.

-Wow, I feel cleansed.

0:38:000:38:02

I feel good, yeah.

0:38:020:38:05

How are we going to start? Can we just have a little,

0:38:050:38:07

quick run-down? So we're going to do the...

0:38:070:38:09

The kissing, the oral...

0:38:090:38:10

I want this to start maybe in the action.

0:38:100:38:13

I don't think it's ever going to be, like...

0:38:130:38:15

And remember, lots of noises as well.

0:38:150:38:17

GROANING

0:38:190:38:22

WHISPERING: They seem to be really enjoying it.

0:38:260:38:28

It's weird.

0:38:310:38:32

It's hot, but it's also not.

0:38:320:38:36

It's like I feel like I shouldn't be here.

0:38:360:38:39

It's so different to watching it on a screen. It's like there.

0:38:400:38:45

Guys, I need you to show me a little bit more of what's going on.

0:38:470:38:50

Can we open it up here?

0:38:500:38:51

This is the stage. This is where the audience is looking at.

0:38:510:38:54

And well done so far. You've done very good.

0:38:540:38:57

You want me to do it now?

0:38:570:38:58

The guy's going to reapply some lube,

0:38:580:39:00

and then he's going to go in there again, and yeah,

0:39:000:39:02

if you want to take over now.

0:39:020:39:03

I mean, I've filmed hundreds of YouTube videos,

0:39:030:39:05

but this is next level.

0:39:050:39:08

Do you like that?

0:39:080:39:10

You keep doing that.

0:39:170:39:19

He's doing a good job. He's doing a good job.

0:39:200:39:24

OK, so wait...

0:39:240:39:26

Well, you went in, didn't you?

0:39:260:39:28

Do you like that?

0:39:280:39:29

Faster.

0:39:310:39:33

OK, that's it, yeah.

0:39:330:39:35

That does it. Guys, you were brilliant.

0:39:350:39:38

You guys really did a great job.

0:39:380:39:39

Drink, guys?

0:39:420:39:45

I think we're getting close to going, yeah?

0:39:450:39:47

OK, good luck. I'll see you downstairs when you're done.

0:39:470:39:51

OK, bye.

0:39:510:39:53

I'm in shock.

0:39:580:40:00

I thought I'd be really turned on by it, but I'm not.

0:40:000:40:04

This is not what I expected at all.

0:40:040:40:06

I think for the boys it's like another day at the office.

0:40:060:40:10

It was an eye-opener to shoot some of it myself, but...

0:40:100:40:12

..it was so uncomfortable,

0:40:140:40:17

telling this guy what to do.

0:40:170:40:19

I don't know. It just feels weird. I feel a little bit...

0:40:200:40:22

-The BBC, they're there?

-Hi.

-Hey.

0:40:240:40:27

What happened?

0:40:270:40:29

George, did you get naked?

0:40:290:40:31

I did, yeah. That was...

0:40:310:40:33

I was not meant to be naked. That scene heated up.

0:40:330:40:36

-Don't take this personally. The minute you left.

-Oh, well.

0:40:360:40:39

-No, no, no, I didn't mean that personally.

-So it's a hit?

-Yeah.

0:40:390:40:42

Oh, yeah, baby. There's a shower upstairs.

0:40:440:40:46

'Society's relationship with porn has always been complicated,

0:40:480:40:52

'but pornography often provides the first insight

0:40:520:40:55

'into sexuality for young queer people.

0:40:550:40:58

'The plethora of porn available

0:40:580:41:00

'is as varied as those of us who watch it.'

0:41:000:41:03

What happened after I left, guys? Because it all seemed to, like...

0:41:030:41:07

climax really quickly?

0:41:070:41:08

Clyde got hard really quickly

0:41:080:41:11

through George trying to get him hard.

0:41:110:41:13

-Clyde started

-BLEEP

-George,

0:41:130:41:15

-and then I started

-BLEEP

-George at the same time,

0:41:150:41:17

and then everybody just come.

0:41:170:41:21

Like, all at the same time, basically?

0:41:210:41:22

-I come first, while I was

-BLEEP

-him,

0:41:220:41:24

-but Clyde was

-BLEEP

-him at the same time as well,

0:41:240:41:27

then Clyde come and then you come.

0:41:270:41:29

And then George come at the end.

0:41:290:41:31

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:41:310:41:33

'Titillation, masturbation,

0:41:330:41:35

'validation and education.

0:41:350:41:38

'It's a chance not only to explore our deepest fantasies,

0:41:380:41:41

'but to write our own queer narrative.'

0:41:410:41:43

Do you think what you created here today is generally

0:41:430:41:46

very positive for the LGBTQ community?

0:41:460:41:49

Yeah, I mean, it's porn.

0:41:490:41:51

People want to watch porn. It's good porn to watch.

0:41:510:41:54

I know you want to get dressed and have a bit of food, you're starving.

0:41:540:41:58

-I'll let you do that and I'll chat to you in a bit, yeah?

-Sure, OK.

0:41:580:42:02

You just kind of forget that there's naked people around,

0:42:030:42:06

just like, you know, it just becomes normal, doesn't it?

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