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In 2015, many believe that when it comes to sexism we're going backwards, not forwards.

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So I'm on a mission to find out whether we -

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in particular, my generation -

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are becoming more sexist than ever before.

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To me, sexism would mean to be discriminated against because I'm a female

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and I've got boobs and all the rest of the female anatomy.

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I think sexism is inequality between men and women.

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Erm, making you feel like a sexual object,

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when you're obviously not - you're just going out for a walk.

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Yeah, I just think it's, like, certain groups of males

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probably have a lack of respect towards women.

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You know that there is just a lack of respect for you as a person,

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and it's got nothing to do with my ability,

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but everything to do with my gender.

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So do we treat women as badly as the media and stats suggest?

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According to a UN report published last year...

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Britain is the most "in-your-face sexist" country in the world.

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Is it?

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-Sexism still exists.

-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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-It's thriving.

-It's still there.

-Like a cancer.

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People who don't see it or experience it

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they don't think it exists any more.

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But it exists in other people's lives.

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Even celebrities are rallying to the cause.

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Take this impassioned speech from Emma Watson at the UN.

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Men, gender equality is your issue, too.

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So is our attitude to women really getting worse?

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Do men have any idea how women actually feel about the way

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they're being treated?

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And is there anything that we can do to change things?

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For the next month, I'm going to travel the country to find out,

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from university sports teams...

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INDISTINCT SINGING

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..to nights out clubbing.

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I had my arse grabbed.

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Somebody came up behind me and thrusted into my back...side.

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I'll find out how language is a big part of the problem...

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Scrubber, moose, hag, dog, tramp, slat, whore, tart...

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..and how the internet is being used as the latest weapon against women.

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In July, 2013, I became a victim of revenge porn.

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I'll discover what's being done to tackle the problem...

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I want you all together, now, to shout.. SPARTANS!

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URGH! URGH! URGH!

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..and meet some who think it is men who are getting a rough deal.

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Do you think young men are in crisis at the moment?

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Definitely. Men don't have a place in the world, that they once did.

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And find out how girls, and boys, are fighting back.

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I'm going on a journey

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to find out just how sexist my generation is.

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But before I set off, there was just time to pop to our local

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to say farewell to Dad, and get his take on the subject.

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Do you think we've got a problem with sexism in the UK?

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No, I think there probably IS sexism in the UK,

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but then you have to then narrow down what you think sexism is.

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You know, sexism can be different things to different people.

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-Do you think I'm sexist?

-No.

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No, I don't think that.

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I've never seen any evidence of you being sexist?

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No, I don't think you are, at all.

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But something that happened to me recently...

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I remember, some random person...

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I was going through the door and I held it like that for her,

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and she just looked at me as if to say...

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"Why? You go first, it's fine."

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She wasn't saying, like, I was being sexist, but, as if to say,

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"Don't bother."

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Holding a door open for a woman... What's wrong with that?

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Holding a... I open car doors for women all the time.

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-That's how I was brought up.

-That's one of the things that really annoys me.

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I can't even do it any more!

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It used to be, when I was brought up, if you were in a restaurant

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and a woman gets up to go to the loo, or whatever,

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you stand up while she leaves the table.

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-If I do that now, people think, right

-BLEEP

-nutter.

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And it's the hypersensitivity to try and not to be sexist.

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Of course it is, yeah.

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Because you can't say anything.

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Oh, I don't know.

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This is a tough one. Good subject.

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Good subject, but I don't...

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I don't know. Presumably you're going to find out

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by the end of this thing, aren't you?

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I'm off to university to start my search

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because apparently they're quickly becoming, like,

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hotbeds for rampant sexism.

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There's a report here from the National Union of Students

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that says in universities,

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groping is seen as a normal part of a night out.

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Is it?

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And there's a website called Unilad -

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I'm sure you can guess what that is,

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a website for lads at uni -

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all about, sort of, girls and shagging and stuff...

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and there was a post here on a forum from a guy, it says...

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"It's not rape, I like to call it a struggle-cuddle."

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And these guys all over the country at university have been

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in the news, in the papers, for what they would call "banter"

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about things like raping freshers and spiking girls' drinks.

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But before we get to university, let's further our education with

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a quick history lesson to see how men have been treating women badly

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for generations.

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Back in your great-grandmother's day,

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the suffragette movement was formed,

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to the horror of men all over the country.

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By 1918, women were finally granted the right to vote.

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Well, sort of.

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You had to be over 30 and qualify as a homeowner,

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where, up until the 1950s,

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a woman's place was definitely meant to be.

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Then in the 1960s,

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women took to the streets again

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to continue their fight for equal rights.

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And it worked.

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In 1975, the Sex Discrimination Act

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was passed,

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meaning women were now officially equal to men.

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And four years later, we had our first female Prime Minister.

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The lady's not for turning.

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# Yo, I'll tell you what I want What I really, really want

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# So tell me what you want... #

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Change was definitely in the air and by the '90s,

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it appeared that girls were on top.

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# If you want to be my lover, you got to get with my friends...#

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Fast forward to the present

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and it seems like we're going backwards fast.

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Sexist video games, sexist porn,

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Dapper Laughs,

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and a resurgence of a predatory lad culture.

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How do you want your eggs?

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Same as last night, yeah? Fertilised?

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He knows...!

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So, back to uni, where apparently the worst offenders

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are the sports clubs, who see singing sexist songs

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as part and parcel of a fun night out.

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Last year mobile phone footage of a Stirling University rugby team

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went viral when they were caught singing an updated version

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of an old drinking song on a public bus.

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Fellow passengers in this footage are clearly shocked and appalled

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by their behaviour.

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-WOMAN:

-That's so brutal.

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INDISTINCT SHOUTING AND CHANTING

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I'm starting my journey in Cardiff,

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a thriving university city famous for its love of a good night out

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and rugby.

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But I've come here to play hockey.

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To be honest, I was a little relieved -

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rugby always terrified me at school!

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I want to really get under the skin of lad culture

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and see if university sports clubs

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are really as bad as it's been suggested.

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To do that, hockey captain Chris and chairman Ben

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have promised to take me on a big night out.

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All right?

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Yeah, a bit cold!

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'But first I have to prove my worth on the pitch.

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'Easier said than done.'

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Drive it forward.

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I feel kind of like a kind of sense of camaraderie, which is quite nice.

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Like...team spirit, kind of thing.

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So far, the most offensive thing about this game

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has been my hockey skills.

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Maybe the sexist behaviour will start to reveal itself in the locker room,

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where - let's face it - everything else is revealed!

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Stop looking.

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That is the coldest shower ever!

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Warm shower?

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'My initiation into the world of university sports teams

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'and Unilad culture begins with a bottle of shampoo

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'poured over my head.'

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Bad spillage!

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'Closely followed by my second cold shower of the day.'

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Oh, my gosh!

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GASPS AND GROANS

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It's a pair of shoes, boys!

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I feel like I'm kind of being initiated into this lad world,

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but I don't know if I'm fully there, yet.

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I seem to be doing some of the lad things wrong.

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WOMAN: Why, what're you doing wrong?

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I don't know. Didn't like my shoes. They're not laddie shoes, apparently.

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I thought they were smart, but...

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looks like I've fallen at the first hurdle.

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-You're ready?

-I'm ready!

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'Suited and booted, time to hit the bars of Cardiff.'

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Three, two, one... Go!

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In time-honoured tradition, a hockey lads' night out

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kicks off with some drinking games.

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SHOUTING

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WILD SHOUTING ERUPTS

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I quickly learn that drinking

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is a big part of a lads' night out.

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As is...

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a good old-fashioned sing-song, led by star player Mattie.

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INDISTINCT DRUNKEN SINGING

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A few beers later, attention is turned to some girls in the bar.

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# Have you ever seen Millsy pull a wench...#

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They are serenaded by a traditional hockey love ballad, Pull a Wench.

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# Have you ever seen Millsy pull a wench? #

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Whilst Chris and some of the boys

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try to impress the ladies with their banter,

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I was about to be initiated into another hockey tradition.

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It's a game called Tell Her,

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and the rules are if someone says something about a girl

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and a team-mate shouts "Tell her!"

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then he must immediately go up to the girl

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and tell her what he just said.

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So, say, for example, some idiot just told his new team-mates

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that he didn't fancy a girl at the bar...

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-TELL HER!

-Tell her!

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Tell her!

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Excuse me.

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Excuse me. I'm really sorry about this,

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erm, I wouldn't have sex with you at the moment.

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< I would!

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Yes. I was the idiot.

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I'm really sorry.

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That was so awkward.

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Why do you have to do that?

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It teaches you respect.

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You know, they're having a great time

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and they're absolutely lovely guys,

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but, you know, I really enjoyed hanging out with them and playing hockey with them,

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and just kind of really feeling that sort of kind of team spirit.

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The camaraderie.

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And the idea that you've always got a group of mates to go out with.

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You've always got someone there to back you up, kind of thing.

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That's really nice, but... as the night progressed,

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and they're literally just chucking drinks down their throats,

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you know - they're lovely guys - but they just change slightly.

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I don't think they fully really know the way that they are acting,

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and I felt a bit uncomfortable

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going up to random women and putting your arms around them, and stuff.

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It's just...

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That was just a little bit too far for me, I think.

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# I've got to beam a message to you

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# Straight from the satellite... #

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I felt quite bad when I woke up this morning.

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Not just because of my hangover,

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but mainly because last night

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I was so, like, wound up in how uncomfortable I was feeling,

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and how uncomfortable I felt having to go up to women

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and tell them things and watching the lads tell women

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that they're fat, and stuff,

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and if I was feeling uncomfortable,

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then imagine how those women must have felt.

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To find out, I managed to track down some of the girls from last night.

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Shelby, Jasmine, and Georgia are students at university here.

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I wanted to find out how the boys' behaviour

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and drinking games affected them.

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-Hiya.

-You all right?

-Fine, thank you.

-Cool.

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I don't know if you saw me last night,

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-but I kind of saw you guys last night in Missoula.

-Yes.

-Yes.

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We kind of met.

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But, erm...you were chatting to some of the lads I was with

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and, to be honest, I think you actually left

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at quite a good time in the night.

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I noticed that with the volume of the guys

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you could tell that the alcohol was sort of taking an effect.

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And that's when they start coming over to us

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and showing that actually they were drunk.

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The louder it gets, the more you don't want to be around them.

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I really got, erm, a sense that...

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..it was just like they don't even think about it.

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It's just, like, what the hockey team

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and what these people have just done for years.

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I don't think they actually really

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think about how it makes girls feel, sometimes.

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No. If you get upset "Oh, it's just banter!"

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That's, like, the most coined...

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-That word has just been used for so many things.

-Yeah.

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-"Just get over it."

-Covers a lot of nasty comments, doesn't it?

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"Oh, it's just banter."

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Are there any sort of specific examples of the sexism

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you've experienced that, like, stand out?

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I have a few experiences where you're at a bar,

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and someone tries to approach you

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because they see you're not with your friends

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and because I'm quite short the angle that I'm stood at

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they'll make a comment about my chest being out,

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or something like that.

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-Or they'll just stick their head in.

-Yeah, they grope freely,

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and it's not very nice.

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You sort of tell them to f-off, or something, or back off,

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and then they say, "Well, why are you wearing it?"

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or "Why would you do it? You're just asking for it" sort of thing.

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I'd seen things from the boys' perspective,

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so now I wanted to see things from the girls' side.

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And what's the best way to really understand

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what it's like to be a girl?

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By becoming one, of course!

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The girls are already ready by the time I arrive for our big night out.

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You need to help me look as good as I can, basically! OK?

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-Yeah.

-We can do that. You're in good hands.

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What do you want to wear? Have you got anything in mind?

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I guess I want to look hot,

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but I don't want to look, like, really slutty.

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-That word!

-But, honestly.

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A guy honestly does have a perception...

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Girls don't dress slutty, they just end up being branded slutty.

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It's such a fine line, as well.

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Well, I apologise, but I want to be on that side of that line.

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-I suppose it must be quite a fine line.

-Absolutely.

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Because guys like you label us as slutty.

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I did apologise straight afterwards. THEY CHUCKLE

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I wasn't sure my apology had cut it, though.

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And I was worried the offence I'd caused

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would derail my girls' night out before it'd even started.

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Well, anyway you all look pretty stunning,

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so I think I'm going to try and go and do the same to myself.

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-Yeah? All right?

-Good luck.

-Thank you.

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I vow one day there will be a film where I don't dress as a woman!

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# Midnight...#

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I think I look quite nice.

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I'm struggling with this wig so much,

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you're just going to have to help me. I'm so sorry.

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Something tells me my wig isn't the only problem.

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So, what's actually wrong with my outfit?

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You look...awful.

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-..told me to buy is.

-No.

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I wouldn't wear that on a night out even. And I've got a girl's figure.

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I'm trying my best!

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-Yeah, you did.

-Try the dress.

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OOHS AND AAHS

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Do you think I look really sexy, now?

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Yeah, it looks cool.

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Do you guys like attention, or dislike attention on nights out?

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We don't do it for that, we do it for ourselves.

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-ALL:

-Yeah.

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Could you explain that a little bit?

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For a bloke, it's kind of hard to understand.

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So who do you guys dress up for?

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Who am I dressing up for, right now?

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Our night doesn't revolve around guys.

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We like to make sure that we're dressing up for each other.

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'I think that's a big part of why a lot of guys

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'behave so badly towards women - they just don't realise that girls

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'aren't dressing up for them.'

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So, then, when a guy thinks he can do something which is

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one step too far, that's not really cool.

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Absolutely not.

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And where would you say that boundary is?

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When it's, like, sexual - too far.

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Saying you look nice, your body looks nice - fine.

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Like, literally, pointing to a bit of your body - I don't know...

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Right, so what do you think the worst that's going to happen to you tonight is?

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Erm...

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The worst is you can be spiked, so...

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-Spiked?

-Yeah.

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I'm pretty sure I know what to be spiked means,

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but is it when they put drugs in your drink,

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so that you basically can't function

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so that they can basically rape you?

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Yeah, I think that's, like, the general idea of it.

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Has that, like, properly happened?

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-It's happened to me.

-It's happened to you?

-Yeah. It happened to me.

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It was in Freshers' Week,

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I went on a night out...

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I just ended up finding myself in some random uni halls.

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I had the police take the home.

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I had to go to hospital,

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I had to get blood tests...

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So, yes. Scary.

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Yes, I mean, I'm surprised that actually all of you probably know

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-one person who's been spiked.

-ALL:

-Yeah.

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I thought it was something...

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-Honestly, I thought it was something from, like, films and stuff.

-No.

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'Shelby is far from alone.

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'Shockingly, a recent survey at nearby Swansea University

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'found that one in three female students have had their drink spiked.

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'A sinister example of the dangers young woman face

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'at university today.'

0:17:020:17:04

OK, am I looking all right?

0:17:040:17:06

'Time to leave for the club.'

0:17:060:17:07

Ooh. I am going to be so cold.

0:17:070:17:09

Does anyone have a little jacket, or anything?

0:17:090:17:12

-No!

-No!

-That's not what we do!

0:17:120:17:13

'So, a girls' night out dictates I must freeze.'

0:17:130:17:17

THEY ALL SHIVER

0:17:170:17:19

OK, guys. Where is the club?

0:17:190:17:20

'Worth saying it's sub-flipping-zero!'

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It is a bit of a walk.

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'We are being filmed on a hidden camera as we walk to the club,

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'so I can experience what it is really like for a girl

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'walking the streets at night.

0:17:290:17:31

'We've only just started walking...

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'and a random bloke on the street shouts sexual abuse at us.'

0:17:350:17:38

-What?

-What's he done now?

0:17:380:17:39

-What'd he say?

-He said, "Oh, I love pussy, I do."

0:17:390:17:44

THEY LAUGH

0:17:440:17:45

Oh, my God...! Oh, my God!

0:17:450:17:47

Licking his lips? That was nice(!)

0:17:470:17:51

What's, like, the worst thing that's happened walking down the street on a night out?

0:17:520:17:56

Getting catcalls... You can't do anything when you're far away.

0:17:560:18:00

It's something every single night.

0:18:000:18:03

'Now every bloke we pass on the street feels like a potential threat.

0:18:030:18:07

'My girls' night out is quickly becoming a real eye-opener.'

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MUSIC PLAYS

0:18:120:18:16

'This is what girls do on a night out, isn't it?

0:18:170:18:20

'Also at the club were Chris, Mattie and Ben from the hockey team.'

0:18:270:18:31

Definitely a lot of people in there who know that I'm a bloke,

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but some people probably fancied me.

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SHE LAUGHS

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Specially when they grabbed your bum and were buying you drinks.

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I've had drinks bought, I've had bum-grabs,

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and you look round, and they're nowhere to be seen.

0:18:520:18:55

It's like a spank.

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-Yeah. That happens a lot. Your bum gets...

-How do they just vanish?

0:18:570:19:01

Particularly in the club, I had my arse grabbed.

0:19:060:19:10

Somebody came up behind me and thrusted into my back...side.

0:19:100:19:14

When that guy thrusted into me, I turned round straight away

0:19:140:19:17

-and he was high-fiving his friends.

-Really?

0:19:170:19:19

He thought it was funny.

0:19:190:19:20

You must feel like an exhibition, then?

0:19:200:19:22

They don't really value you as a human being.

0:19:220:19:25

When we first met,

0:19:290:19:30

-I did not know it was a male.

-And you squeezed my bum, didn't you?

0:19:310:19:35

I did squeeze your bum.

0:19:350:19:36

What type of girls tonight caught your eye?

0:19:360:19:39

There was you, there was two blondes...

0:19:390:19:41

One with a lot...to show.

0:19:410:19:44

There was one with this - Chavasaurus rex.

0:19:440:19:46

If she's doing that, what do you think that means?

0:19:460:19:48

-Do think that means she wants attention?

-She wants then, erm...

0:19:480:19:52

-Possibly. I don't believe...

-Wants the "D".

0:19:520:19:54

-What's the D?

-There's the D.

0:19:540:19:56

I think we can all guess what "the D" stands for.

0:19:560:19:59

Do you know what, I've actually had a really good time this evening.

0:20:050:20:09

Like, I've been out the lads,

0:20:090:20:11

and have had a lads' night.

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I've been out with the girls, and have had a proper girls' night,

0:20:120:20:15

and I've kind of seen it from the other side.

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But, the thing that does shock me,

0:20:180:20:19

is when you speak to any women, any girls on the street or in the club,

0:20:190:20:22

you know, each one of them has got at least one pretty harrowing story

0:20:220:20:28

of, you know, everyday sexism.

0:20:280:20:31

My experiences in Cardiff with the girls have made me realise

0:20:320:20:35

just how rife sexism is,

0:20:350:20:37

and how little respect women sometimes get from us men.

0:20:370:20:40

But as much as I thought otherwise at the beginning of my journey,

0:20:400:20:43

by using the word slutty,

0:20:430:20:45

it was clear that I was part of the problem, too.

0:20:450:20:48

Scrubber, moose, hag, dog, tramp, slut, whore, tart,

0:20:480:20:52

slapper, Delilah, Jezebel, trout...

0:20:520:20:55

Don't worry, I haven't suddenly got Tourette's - bear with me...

0:20:550:20:58

..pig, slut, sket, skank, thirsty bitch,

0:20:580:21:02

harlot, floozy, minger, gash bike...

0:21:020:21:05

Yeah, all right, I did make "gash bike" up,

0:21:050:21:07

but there is actually a very serious point to all this.

0:21:070:21:10

Because in the English language

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there are over 200 derogatory terms to describe a girl

0:21:120:21:14

who sleeps around a lot, but there are only a few for guys.

0:21:140:21:18

Now that seems like a pretty serious imbalance.

0:21:180:21:21

So, meet Joe and meet Hannah.

0:21:220:21:26

Now, Joe has slept with 30 girls

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and Hannah has slept with 30 guys.

0:21:280:21:30

So I'm going to go into the street

0:21:300:21:32

to see what people think about them both.

0:21:320:21:34

Ready, guys? Yeah, no, no, it'll be fun, it'll be good fun.

0:21:340:21:37

No, it'll be fun. Yeah, yeah. Let's go, let's go.

0:21:370:21:39

So how will people judge Joe and Hannah -

0:21:420:21:44

not their real names or their sexual history, by the way -

0:21:440:21:46

for having the same number of sexual partners?

0:21:460:21:49

OK, so, this is my mate Joe.

0:21:490:21:51

He's slept with 30 girls.

0:21:510:21:52

-What would you think of him?

-Lad.

0:21:520:21:55

-Lad?

-Yeah. Lad.

-And this is my friend Hannah.

0:21:550:21:57

Now she's slept with 30 guys - what do you think of her?

0:21:570:22:00

First word that pops into my head would probably be slag.

0:22:000:22:03

-I'd think he was a lad.

-Yeah.

-Probably.

0:22:040:22:06

-Bit of slag.

-LOUD LAUGHTER

0:22:060:22:09

-Player.

-Player.

0:22:090:22:10

-Slut.

-FRIEND CHUCKLES

0:22:100:22:13

Naughty boy, I would say. A bit of a slut.

0:22:130:22:15

His friends will think he's a bit of a lad.

0:22:150:22:17

But some girls will think she's a slut. They'd be jealous.

0:22:170:22:20

He's a game fella. On the other hand he could be dying of diseases.

0:22:200:22:24

-I think she's...

-She's a slag.

-..a slag,

0:22:240:22:26

considering she's been with so many men.

0:22:260:22:29

Erm, well, that's put me right off her, to be honest.

0:22:290:22:33

Even the girls are calling her a slut.

0:22:340:22:36

Perhaps we really do need to come up with a new word for a female stud.

0:22:360:22:39

Do you think there's actually a female equivalent

0:22:440:22:47

-for the word stud or lad?

-I've never heard one, no.

0:22:470:22:50

Well, you've got to come up with one.

0:22:500:22:52

Lass, probably!

0:22:540:22:55

Do you think there is a female equivalent of the word stud?

0:22:570:23:00

No. Not that exists.

0:23:010:23:02

Well, I guess you kind of could say that slag is the equivalent,

0:23:040:23:07

-but not really, because stud is a good thing.

-Yeah.

-Slag isn't.

0:23:070:23:10

It seems to be one rule for one gender and one rule for the other,

0:23:100:23:13

which is obviously wrong.

0:23:130:23:16

Female stud, all I can think of is, like, fud is a female stud.

0:23:160:23:20

Right. So there you have it.

0:23:220:23:23

I mean, it might not've been the most scientific method,

0:23:230:23:27

but I think my experiment definitely proved that

0:23:270:23:29

we do have a big double standard when it comes to boys and girls

0:23:290:23:33

and that, actually, the language we all use

0:23:330:23:36

is a big part of that everyday sexism problem.

0:23:360:23:38

And, you know, I guess,

0:23:380:23:40

we might have come up with a new word for a female stud - a fud.

0:23:400:23:43

(Fud...) Nah.

0:23:450:23:48

Nah, maybe not.

0:23:480:23:49

'Someone who's done more than most

0:23:510:23:53

'to shine a light on the issue of sexism today is Laura Bates,

0:23:530:23:56

'founder of the Everyday Sexism project...'

0:23:560:23:58

-Fancy going to get a coffee, or something?

-Sure. Sounds good.

0:23:580:24:01

'..a website that records everyday incidents of sexist behaviour

0:24:010:24:04

'experienced by women on a day-to-day basis.

0:24:040:24:06

'Laura didn't want us to identify her office

0:24:060:24:09

'as she's been the subject of almost daily threats of violence and rape.

0:24:090:24:13

'In just three years, her site has had 100,000 posts.'

0:24:130:24:17

Here's a bunch of really typical entries.

0:24:170:24:20

So, this is from a girl at school who...

0:24:200:24:22

The guy sitting next to her took a picture of her breasts

0:24:220:24:25

on his mobile phone and Snapchatted it around to the other guys

0:24:250:24:28

at the school without her realising.

0:24:280:24:30

Here we've got a 14-year-old girl

0:24:300:24:32

in a science class being told to get back in the kitchen,

0:24:320:24:35

that all she's good for is cleaning, cooking and blow jobs.

0:24:350:24:38

And here another 14-year-old's talking about

0:24:380:24:41

being frequently touched, groped and having her breasts grabbed

0:24:410:24:45

at school, and it being something that's really normal.

0:24:450:24:47

We would have thousands of entries all along those same lines -

0:24:470:24:50

people saying the same thing.

0:24:500:24:52

I mean, I've had a look at your website myself,

0:24:520:24:54

and although most of the stuff on there is terrible...

0:24:540:24:58

but there are entries that...

0:24:580:24:59

It seems a bit more of a grey area,

0:24:590:25:02

where it's not, actually, maybe,

0:25:020:25:05

that sexist in a lot of people's opinions.

0:25:050:25:07

Do you think there's any danger in if we really are

0:25:070:25:09

calling everything sexist

0:25:090:25:11

that we're going to get to a worse state,

0:25:110:25:13

where actually nothing is sexist?

0:25:130:25:15

Well, I definitely don't think that we're in danger at the moment

0:25:150:25:18

of overreacting to sexism.

0:25:180:25:19

Very much the message we get is that it's something very difficult

0:25:190:25:22

for people to speak out about, and it doesn't get recognised.

0:25:220:25:25

For me, I think it's a spectrum.

0:25:250:25:27

For example, we see a woman who tries to brush off being shouted at or wolf-whistled in the street -

0:25:270:25:32

it's not that big a deal - and then finds that because she ignores it,

0:25:320:25:35

the guy follows her home

0:25:350:25:36

and sexually assaults her on her doorstep.

0:25:360:25:38

So it's not separate boxes of

0:25:380:25:39

"this isn't that big a deal", "this is more serious"...

0:25:390:25:42

These things are kind of more fluid than that,

0:25:420:25:44

and they have a bigger impact on each other.

0:25:440:25:47

'Sites like Laura's have certainly put sexism on the agenda today

0:25:490:25:51

'and it's encouraging to read how it's inspiring a generation of women

0:25:510:25:55

'to stand up against it.'

0:25:550:25:57

However, the internet is also being used as a weapon against women.

0:25:570:26:03

Slut-shaming, or revenge porn,

0:26:030:26:04

is where a boy posts an intimate image on the internet of a girl

0:26:040:26:07

he used to go out with.

0:26:070:26:09

And, yes, it is almost always boys posting images of girls.

0:26:090:26:13

I've come to Chelmsford to meet this girl called Hazel

0:26:130:26:16

who unfortunately was "shamed" by her ex-boyfriend

0:26:160:26:20

in quite a brutal way.

0:26:200:26:22

She's done quite a lot of stuff in the papers -

0:26:220:26:24

there's something in a tabloid here...

0:26:240:26:26

Hazel hit the headlines last year

0:26:320:26:33

after her ex-boyfriend posted an explicit sex tape of them

0:26:330:26:36

over the internet.

0:26:360:26:38

What was it like the moment you find out?

0:26:380:26:40

I was just so shocked.

0:26:400:26:42

I feel humiliated.

0:26:420:26:44

Like, all these strange, like,

0:26:440:26:46

gross men have seen it.

0:26:460:26:48

I just felt so...

0:26:480:26:50

exposed, you know?

0:26:500:26:52

Revenge porn is one way for a boy to assert power over their ex,

0:26:540:26:58

but Hazel refused be crushed

0:26:580:26:59

and decided to speak up.

0:26:590:27:01

That's quite, like, a brave thing to do, don't you think?

0:27:010:27:04

I'm trying to tell my story to help others, really.

0:27:040:27:08

I want my word to get out

0:27:080:27:11

and to show that I'm not ashamed,

0:27:110:27:14

and the other victims shouldn't be ashamed either.

0:27:140:27:18

And what are you doing today, then?

0:27:180:27:20

Well, I'm going to go to a local school, Bosworth School,

0:27:200:27:23

and I'm going to speak to some six-formers

0:27:230:27:26

and tell them my story.

0:27:260:27:29

Hello, everyone.

0:27:300:27:32

-PUPILS:

-Hello.

0:27:320:27:33

My name's Hazel, and in July, 2013,

0:27:330:27:36

I became a victim of revenge porn.

0:27:360:27:38

I was in a relationship for about nine or ten months

0:27:380:27:42

and I broke up with him,

0:27:420:27:45

but before, when we were in love, or when we thought we were in love -

0:27:450:27:49

we'd done a little video.

0:27:490:27:51

But when we broke up, he posted the video onto actual porn sites

0:27:510:27:56

and it took over a year to get rid of it.

0:27:560:27:58

And the one thing that I would like to tell everyone

0:27:580:28:01

is to be aware.

0:28:010:28:03

Because I know it can have the same psychological effects as rape,

0:28:030:28:08

and I don't want people to feel that way.

0:28:080:28:10

So, just by a show of hands, how many of you actually know someone

0:28:150:28:19

that this type of thing has happened to?

0:28:190:28:21

Whoa.

0:28:210:28:22

OK, I did not expect that.

0:28:220:28:24

'I only left school three years ago,

0:28:240:28:26

'but in that time, the problem seems to have become a lot worse.'

0:28:260:28:29

I know so many people that've had it happen to them.

0:28:290:28:32

Probably 20 people.

0:28:320:28:34

It happened to one person, like, recently.

0:28:340:28:37

And they didn't come into school for a very long time.

0:28:370:28:40

They didn't hang around with the same people.

0:28:400:28:43

I think their friends just stopped talking to them

0:28:430:28:46

because they were embarrassed

0:28:460:28:47

and didn't want to be associated with, like, "a slag."

0:28:470:28:50

And they just lost all of their friends

0:28:500:28:52

and they're still to this day, getting hate

0:28:520:28:55

because of what they did.

0:28:550:28:57

Obviously, it happens to both guys and girls,

0:28:570:28:59

but in either way in the situations

0:28:590:29:02

a guy always somehow comes out on top

0:29:020:29:05

in the way...it doesn't affect him really, like, socially.

0:29:050:29:09

Like, even sometimes you could say he would get a little bit more popular

0:29:090:29:13

for receiving these pictures.

0:29:130:29:15

Or showing his friends them.

0:29:150:29:16

Whereas, a girl, no matter how... how much...

0:29:160:29:19

she will always come out on bottom.

0:29:190:29:22

'The stuff I was hearing from the girls was shocking

0:29:220:29:24

'and I wanted to get a sense of why boys do it.'

0:29:240:29:26

Do you think the media and social networking are actually

0:29:260:29:30

-allowing men to be more sexist?

-Yeah.

0:29:300:29:32

Because of the rights and...

0:29:320:29:33

now that women are allowed to vote and everything,

0:29:330:29:36

and because of that they have to find another way

0:29:360:29:39

to push them down and show that they're the dominant.

0:29:390:29:41

And you've still got your old-fashioned,

0:29:410:29:43

"Oh, yeah, we're better" people,

0:29:430:29:45

and we need to say, "No, that's enough."

0:29:450:29:47

In the past when, you know, I'd have been

0:29:490:29:50

shown a picture of my mate's naked girlfriend,

0:29:500:29:52

I'd probably have thought, ah, yeah, that's cool, quite nice, whatever.

0:29:520:29:56

I wouldn't have thought anything about the girl in the picture.

0:29:560:29:58

Now, I'd be more inclined to think,

0:29:580:30:00

no, mate, stop, what are you doing? Why are you showing me that?

0:30:000:30:03

That's not a nice thing to do.

0:30:030:30:05

And really, I think that's what we ALL should be saying.

0:30:050:30:08

'At the beginning of this journey, I was unsure about what to think,

0:30:130:30:17

'but I'm starting to see things differently now.

0:30:170:30:19

'It really has begun to hit home

0:30:190:30:20

'just how big a problem it is for girls

0:30:200:30:23

'and it made me start to think about my own girlfriend, Libby,

0:30:230:30:25

'and what she might have had to put up with.'

0:30:250:30:28

I'm quite excited to see my girlfriend.

0:30:300:30:32

-Hi there, babe.

-Hey, you OK?

-You all right? Yeah, I'm good.

-I missed you.

0:30:340:30:38

-I missed you more. Hey, Reg! Reggie boy!

-Reg is here.

-Hello!

0:30:380:30:42

'Libby and I have been together for a year and a half,

0:30:420:30:45

'but this will be the first time I've ever asked her

0:30:450:30:47

'about any sexist behaviour she might have experienced.'

0:30:470:30:50

You know, you're just walking, like, walking down the street,

0:30:500:30:54

mind your own business, blah, blah, blah...

0:30:540:30:56

-I get beeped at all the time.

-I've seen it, yeah.

0:30:560:30:59

Just cos you get the workmen in their vans and...

0:30:590:31:02

um, train stations?

0:31:020:31:04

A lot of the time, it's happened before, there's empty carriages

0:31:040:31:08

and, you know, a guy comes and sits next to you on a whole empty garage.

0:31:080:31:11

-On an empty carriage. Oh, my God.

-And it's like...really?

-Yeah.

0:31:110:31:15

And it gets to the point where you kind of just brush it off,

0:31:150:31:18

cos you just get it so often and you just accept that's what guys do.

0:31:180:31:23

And I mean, I have to say initially,

0:31:230:31:26

I didn't think our generation was particularly sexist,

0:31:260:31:29

but seeing the Cardiff lads,

0:31:290:31:31

you know, they do this thing when they...

0:31:310:31:34

they just walk up to random women in bars and...

0:31:340:31:36

tell them random things like...

0:31:360:31:38

oh, I don't want to have sex with you.

0:31:380:31:40

'OK, technically, yes, that was me.'

0:31:400:31:42

Do you ever get though, like, in our generation now,

0:31:420:31:45

it's like the way to chat up a girl is to act like that towards them?

0:31:450:31:49

And guys think that going out and being a lad and drinking

0:31:490:31:52

and going up to girls and being like, oh, yeah,

0:31:520:31:54

can I have sex with you, can I see your boobs and stuff like that,

0:31:540:31:57

that guys just think that that is how you get girls nowadays?

0:31:570:32:00

But is it ever flattering?

0:32:000:32:02

Um, in some cases, yes.

0:32:030:32:05

But even if a really, really hot guy came up to me

0:32:050:32:08

and said, oh, show us your tits, I would still be like,

0:32:080:32:10

hang on, that is a bit weird.

0:32:100:32:12

I would still want him to be respectful to me.

0:32:120:32:14

-There we go.

-It looks all right, doesn't it?

-Perfect, look at that.

0:32:140:32:17

-Do you want it now or shall we put it in the fridge?

-In the fridge.

-I think so,

0:32:170:32:20

cos I'm not really in the mood for that much salad.

0:32:200:32:23

I don't think I'll ever be in the mood for that much, but it's good fun.

0:32:230:32:26

'Libby had raised an interesting point.

0:32:280:32:30

'Guys in our generation just don't know how to talk to

0:32:300:32:33

'and behave in front of girls any more.

0:32:330:32:35

'Maybe we just need a bit of a helping hand.'

0:32:350:32:38

Someone who claims to offer this help is Beckster.

0:32:380:32:41

He runs classes to teach young men how to approach women

0:32:410:32:43

and bring out their inner alpha male.

0:32:430:32:46

I find the best way to do this

0:32:460:32:48

is first of all, learn the training wheels,

0:32:480:32:50

like, the conversational pieces,

0:32:500:32:53

the conversational starters.

0:32:530:32:55

The thing is, a lot of people would describe me as kind of like, um...

0:32:550:32:59

-kind of like metrosexual.

-Yes.

0:32:590:33:01

So, like, how are you going to, how are you going to help me?

0:33:010:33:04

Maybe instil a bit more of the alpha man in you.

0:33:040:33:07

That just means being more, the most confident self you can be,

0:33:070:33:09

it doesn't mean walking around, going, beefcake,

0:33:090:33:11

-or anything like that.

-Yeah.

-It just means,

0:33:110:33:13

being 100% positive in your actions,

0:33:130:33:16

the words you say, having conviction in what you're going to do

0:33:160:33:19

and seeing someone you like and having the courage

0:33:190:33:21

-to go up and talk to them.

-But I'll be so nervous.

0:33:210:33:24

It's fine, with time, your confidence grows

0:33:240:33:27

-and you'll be absolutely fine. Deal?

-OK, all right.

0:33:270:33:30

-Let's do it.

-All right, deal. Deal.

-Cool.

-Instant date.

0:33:300:33:33

'Two men in leather gloves fisting in a London park?

0:33:330:33:36

'You can't get more alpha male than that.'

0:33:360:33:38

To kick things off, we begin with the theory

0:33:380:33:41

in a classroom above a London pub.

0:33:410:33:44

So, we're going to wake you up, get the blood going.

0:33:440:33:46

Who's seen the film 300? Do you know the roar on it?

0:33:460:33:49

-Yeah.

-Spartans!

0:33:490:33:51

So, I want you to altogether now shout, "Spartans!" Then, "Ooh, ooh, ooh!" OK?

0:33:510:33:54

'Hang on, I thought he said this wasn't like that.'

0:33:540:33:57

-Spartans!

-ALL:

-Spartans!

0:33:570:33:59

Ooh, ooh, ooh!

0:33:590:34:01

Right, good, now sit down.

0:34:010:34:03

That's just waking the blood up and getting you going.

0:34:030:34:05

-'We start with some basics.'

-Smiling is important.

0:34:050:34:09

Smiling, apparently increases your chance...

0:34:090:34:12

by 80%.

0:34:120:34:14

Just me smiling quite a lot.

0:34:140:34:17

So, just smile more.

0:34:170:34:18

Yeah? Just, big smiles. That's it, I want to see the pearly whites.

0:34:200:34:23

There you go. See?

0:34:230:34:25

Now we're laughing, this is fun, this is contagious.

0:34:250:34:28

This works, this is great for people. Right...

0:34:280:34:32

This is the time, pens and paper.

0:34:320:34:34

BECKSTER LAUGHS

0:34:340:34:35

Capture,

0:34:350:34:37

bond...

0:34:370:34:38

and...what do you think the last one might be?

0:34:400:34:42

'Er, get her phone number?

0:34:420:34:44

'Cheeky kiss? First date?

0:34:440:34:47

'Move in together and get married?'

0:34:470:34:49

Sex.

0:34:490:34:50

FAINT LAUGHTER

0:34:500:34:52

'I didn't see that one coming, but you have to admire the ambition.'

0:34:520:34:55

Capture their...imagination.

0:34:550:34:59

Capture their emotions, OK?

0:34:590:35:01

And capture their humour. Bond.

0:35:010:35:03

-What do you think I mean by bond?

-Getting to know them better.

0:35:030:35:07

Getting to know them better.

0:35:070:35:08

And this is building deep rapport,

0:35:080:35:11

which also is one way to find a mate or a friend, OK?

0:35:110:35:15

I've just said friend.

0:35:150:35:17

What happens if we stick in the bonding stage?

0:35:170:35:21

-What happens?

-Friend zone.

0:35:210:35:23

Yeah, you get stuck in the friend zone.

0:35:230:35:26

Who's been stuck in the friend zone? Put your hands up. I have.

0:35:260:35:29

Yeah? Exactly. And why is that?

0:35:290:35:32

Cos you didn't show any sexual interest.

0:35:320:35:35

You're too scared to man up

0:35:350:35:38

and take it to the next level, which is sex.

0:35:380:35:41

'I'm curious to find out about my classmates

0:35:410:35:43

'and their reasons for being here.'

0:35:430:35:45

I don't want to just pull, you know what I mean?

0:35:450:35:47

That's probably one of the main reasons why I'm still a virgin,

0:35:470:35:50

because I want to meet someone.

0:35:500:35:52

It just, like, some people have had the social upbringing

0:35:520:35:55

so they've met all the women through that. Other people haven't.

0:35:550:35:58

So what do they do? Do they go home and cry about it,

0:35:580:36:01

play on computer games? I don't know.

0:36:010:36:03

Or they can go out and meet women.

0:36:030:36:05

'Tom's a good-looking guy.

0:36:050:36:07

'Surely he doesn't have a problem approaching girls.'

0:36:070:36:10

I used to be sort of scared of rejection.

0:36:100:36:13

I used to be very shy,

0:36:130:36:14

and I used to kind of care too much what people thought about me,

0:36:140:36:17

so I thought just by being quiet, you know...

0:36:170:36:19

What would the ultimate, perfect guy that you want to be be?

0:36:190:36:21

I think everyone wants to be James Bond, don't they, really?

0:36:210:36:24

-James Bond?

-Yeah.

0:36:240:36:25

I'm going to teach you a conversational piece

0:36:250:36:28

that we can start using today.

0:36:280:36:30

So write this one down.

0:36:300:36:32

So when we're stopping people on the street or in the park,

0:36:320:36:36

it's a delicate subject of body language and gestures and so on,

0:36:360:36:41

so we want to be quite careful not to invade their space too much,

0:36:410:36:45

and how to do it correctly and fluidly,

0:36:450:36:49

with calibration and confidence.

0:36:490:36:51

So the first thing is the walk up.

0:36:510:36:53

So I can practise on you first. If you stand up for a moment.

0:36:530:36:56

Hey, sorry, I've only got a moment,

0:36:560:36:58

but I was just chatting to my friend, Alison.

0:36:580:37:00

She's in Primark at the moment.

0:37:000:37:02

So a little joke there and so on. And then you...

0:37:020:37:05

'Ha-ha, the old Alison in Primark joke.

0:37:050:37:07

'Classic! Always funny.

0:37:070:37:09

'Theory over, time now to put it into practice.

0:37:130:37:16

'So we all head off to Covent Garden to try out our newly learned skills.'

0:37:160:37:20

Let's go. Come on.

0:37:200:37:22

Is that it?

0:37:250:37:26

But whilst my classmates all confidently head off on the pull,

0:37:270:37:30

I'm feeling a bit nervous.

0:37:300:37:32

When you're nervous, the first three times are always going to be the most nerve-racking thing.

0:37:320:37:36

But once you get over that, cos you get used to doing it,

0:37:360:37:38

realise you're not going to die, it's all good.

0:37:380:37:41

People will be really friendly and open,

0:37:410:37:44

and if they don't want to talk, they'll just say sorry

0:37:440:37:46

and carry on and you know, leave you to it. So it's fine.

0:37:460:37:49

-So there's no interaction that's really a bad interaction.

-OK.

0:37:490:37:52

As long as you keep it nice, it's all good.

0:37:520:37:54

Buoyed up by Beckster's pep talk, I see a nice looking girl.

0:37:560:37:59

Excuse me, I'm really sorry.

0:38:020:38:04

I've always actually wondered, are Ugg boots any good?

0:38:040:38:07

Are they very comfy? They are?

0:38:070:38:10

'All seems to be going well.'

0:38:100:38:11

What's your name, by the way? INAUDIBLE

0:38:110:38:13

-Could I have your phone number?

-No, sorry.

-OK.

0:38:130:38:17

That's all right, no problem. Thank you.

0:38:170:38:20

Hi, there. Excuse me.

0:38:200:38:22

I wanted to come say hi cos I thought you looked really nice.

0:38:220:38:25

OK, thank you.

0:38:250:38:26

'The rejections were coming thick and fast.

0:38:270:38:30

'I needed some expert one-to-one coaching from Beckster.'

0:38:300:38:33

You could maybe use the wanted or needed question.

0:38:330:38:35

-OK.

-"My friend's just in the Apple Store, so I've only got a moment,

0:38:350:38:38

"but I just wanted to ask you this question -

0:38:380:38:40

"what do you think's better, to be wanted or needed by somebody?"

0:38:400:38:43

Hi, there. Excuse me. I'm really, really sorry. I've only got a minute,

0:38:430:38:46

my friend's just in the Apple Store. Can I ask you girls a quick question?

0:38:460:38:49

Do you think it is better to be wanted or needed?

0:38:490:38:52

All right, thank you very much.

0:38:530:38:55

'I give up.

0:38:550:38:56

'I hope my fellow classmates were having more luck than me.'

0:38:560:39:00

-Hey, Tom, is it going?

-I've got one number.

0:39:000:39:03

Cool. So how have you found it today, then?

0:39:030:39:05

It's been quite intense. Like, you know, sort of... It's interesting.

0:39:050:39:09

I'm still learning quite a lot.

0:39:090:39:11

Quite tired. It's full-on.

0:39:110:39:13

'While we were talking, Tom suddenly spots a girl he fancies,

0:39:130:39:17

'and decides to give it one final go.

0:39:170:39:19

'This was going to be amazing.

0:39:210:39:22

'I could feel Cupid drawing his bow.

0:39:220:39:25

'Go on, Tom. Go on!'

0:39:250:39:27

Excuse me.

0:39:270:39:28

'Ah.'

0:39:290:39:30

How did that go? What happened there?

0:39:300:39:33

I give up.

0:39:330:39:35

Fuck this.

0:39:350:39:37

'Unlucky, Tom. But at least you got a number.

0:39:450:39:48

'I wonder if the others had any more success.

0:39:490:39:52

'Is that Vas over there with a potential date?'

0:39:520:39:54

So over there, Vas has actually managed to pull someone,

0:39:540:40:00

and he's sat with them at a restaurant.

0:40:000:40:02

That's peculiar.

0:40:020:40:04

I don't think I'd be able to do that.

0:40:040:40:06

And is that the...

0:40:060:40:08

Well, he's pulled, basically.

0:40:090:40:11

'Beckster's class clearly helped Vas,

0:40:110:40:13

'and I could see how teaching men to talk to women

0:40:130:40:16

'can help us treat girls more respectfully.

0:40:160:40:18

'But I wanted to here if girls think

0:40:180:40:20

'random men approaching them in the street is OK or not.'

0:40:200:40:22

I'm guessing you guys get approached in the street?

0:40:220:40:25

I think when it does happen, it's mainly, like, builders and stuff.

0:40:250:40:29

Yeah, just shouting things.

0:40:290:40:30

Shouting or whistles, and stuff like that,

0:40:300:40:33

and that just really, really angers us.

0:40:330:40:35

Do think it's a bit of a weird thing to do?

0:40:350:40:37

I just think it's nicer when people talk to you, like...

0:40:370:40:40

Yeah, it's the approach. It's definitely the approach. It's like, you can just be genuine.

0:40:400:40:44

Like, "Oh, hi, my name's so-and-so." You know?

0:40:440:40:46

That's a lot... I think girls appreciate that more than

0:40:460:40:49

just a really cheesy, like, "Oh, I think you're fit."

0:40:490:40:52

'I, though, was having doubts about whether Beckster's classes

0:40:520:40:55

'were the kind of help my generation needs.

0:40:550:40:56

'I wondered whether this approach was more likely

0:40:560:40:59

'to encourage sexist behaviour than end it.'

0:40:590:41:01

-Do you think it's in any way sexist, what we were doing?

-No, not at all.

0:41:010:41:05

What would you say to people who say it is sexist?

0:41:050:41:08

Well, I mean, obviously there are different people

0:41:080:41:10

teaching different things. We're teaching lifestyle,

0:41:100:41:13

social skills and confidence.

0:41:130:41:15

So I would say that whoever they're talking about are doing it wrong.

0:41:150:41:20

Today I felt a little bit, sometimes,

0:41:200:41:23

like I was kind of harassing women.

0:41:230:41:26

Do you... In some way, do you kind of feel

0:41:260:41:28

a bit of a responsibility

0:41:280:41:31

-because of the fact that you teach this?

-I think it's totally fine as long as you do it in the right way,

0:41:310:41:35

you're respectful, you're not rude or crude, not hurting anyone's feelings

0:41:350:41:38

and not breaking the law, it's all good things.

0:41:380:41:40

And they're all things we promote not to do.

0:41:400:41:42

We always want to keep a clean, confident school.

0:41:420:41:46

Meeting Beckster and the guys today, I have seen that there's a lot of it that's pretty harmless,

0:41:460:41:50

actually, and on the positive side, he's just telling these guys about

0:41:500:41:54

a skill that they can learn to improve their life with

0:41:540:41:57

and appear more confident with.

0:41:570:41:59

But if getting that skill comes at the expense

0:41:590:42:02

of harassing a woman on the street, then can that ever be a good thing?

0:42:020:42:06

'Helping men get the skills to safely navigate

0:42:090:42:11

'the minefield of sexism are Nick and Dave,

0:42:110:42:14

'two Australians who set up the Good Lad Workshop

0:42:140:42:17

'to promote positive masculinity

0:42:170:42:18

'and help university sports teams become good lads.

0:42:180:42:21

'I wanted to find out more, and I knew just the boys to take along -

0:42:210:42:25

'my hockey buddies from Cardiff.'

0:42:250:42:29

Basically this is a workshop for men, and for men like us.

0:42:290:42:32

It's about talking about complex gender situations,

0:42:320:42:36

and hopefully by thinking about things, we can actually examine

0:42:360:42:39

and improve the relationships we have with others.

0:42:390:42:41

It's trying to encourage us as guys to, before we do things,

0:42:410:42:45

to think about them, or think about the implications on others.

0:42:450:42:48

So to start, we're just going to get some of the blood flowing

0:42:480:42:52

and do something hopefully very quick and fun.

0:42:520:42:54

So how positive is actively supporting a male friend

0:42:540:42:58

going through a break-up?

0:42:580:43:00

How positive is a guy grabbing an unknown girl's arse in a club?

0:43:000:43:04

'As the session progressed, I was keen to get the guys' thoughts.'

0:43:040:43:07

Going in I was a little bit...

0:43:070:43:09

tedious, like, you said it was a lads' workshop.

0:43:090:43:12

But when you actually saw the message behind it, it was quite cool.

0:43:120:43:15

It kind of did hit home.

0:43:150:43:16

So the next one we call what to wear.

0:43:160:43:18

You're getting along really well, and after a while, you lean in to kiss her,

0:43:180:43:22

and she leans away, smiles, and at this stage,

0:43:220:43:25

she sort of backs away, and she says,

0:43:250:43:26

"Sorry, I have a boyfriend."

0:43:260:43:28

Saying, "Oh, I've got a boyfriend," it's like a defence mechanism.

0:43:280:43:31

Cos not many lads want the confrontation in the club.

0:43:310:43:34

'I had a feeling the penny was beginning to drop.'

0:43:340:43:37

Just being constantly aware that other people

0:43:370:43:39

are affected by your actions, and by saying certain things

0:43:390:43:42

in a certain way, you can have a really negative impact.

0:43:420:43:46

All the women we have spoken to around the country say

0:43:460:43:50

there is nothing sexier than a guy

0:43:500:43:53

who is confident enough to ask for consent.

0:43:530:43:56

You don't have to say, "Excuse me, can I have sex with you now?"

0:43:560:44:00

You can say, like, "Can I touch you there? Do you like that?

0:44:000:44:03

"What would you like me to do?"

0:44:030:44:04

Like, from today, you think, actually,

0:44:040:44:06

my actions in the past could actually get me in trouble,

0:44:060:44:09

sort of thing. So you've got to lower that line.

0:44:090:44:11

Like, I don't really want the consequence that could happen

0:44:110:44:14

from doing the actions I have been doing. I've got to take that step back

0:44:140:44:17

and really think logically about where I want to go in the future.

0:44:170:44:20

Think, oh, just for one night out I could ruin my life.

0:44:200:44:23

I could tell the guys were pretty sceptical this morning

0:44:300:44:32

about the Good Lad Workshop.

0:44:320:44:34

They were really defensive at the start.

0:44:340:44:36

You know, I could tell that they didn't think

0:44:360:44:39

they were the type of guy that was being described.

0:44:390:44:42

And to be honest, to be able to come out and admit that,

0:44:420:44:46

and you know, to take that on the nose,

0:44:460:44:49

and really, truthfully actually want to change,

0:44:490:44:52

cos I think they do - you know, that's a big thing.

0:44:520:44:55

And I've got a lot of respect for that.

0:44:550:44:58

'So far on my journey, I've heard only that it's men who are sexist.

0:45:020:45:06

'I've come to Nottingham today to hear from someone

0:45:060:45:08

'who thinks quite the opposite.

0:45:080:45:10

'Mike Buchanan believes it's a woman's world, run by feminists who hate men.

0:45:100:45:15

'He argues it's men, and not women, who've been getting a rough ride,

0:45:150:45:18

'and he's on the campaign trail for his political party,

0:45:180:45:21

'called Justice For Men And Boys.'

0:45:210:45:24

I thought I'd better have a little bit of a look

0:45:240:45:26

at Mike's book before I met him.

0:45:260:45:27

So that's what I've done, and this is the cover of his book.

0:45:270:45:32

And I just want to read you a bit from chapter 5.

0:45:320:45:35

"My theory is that many feminists are profoundly stupid

0:45:360:45:39

"as well as hateful, a theory that could be readily tested

0:45:390:45:42

"by arresting a number of them and forcing them, with the threat

0:45:420:45:45

"of denying them access to chocolate, to undertake IQ tests."

0:45:450:45:49

Doesn't sit on the fence, this Mike, does he?

0:45:490:45:51

-Is this Justice For Men And Boys?

-It is, Tyger. Nice to meet you.

0:45:530:45:57

-Mike Buchanan.

-Nice to meet you. I'm Tyger.

0:45:570:46:00

-Josh.

-Hi, Josh. How you doing?

-I'm good.

0:46:000:46:02

-Ray.

-Hi, Ray. How you doing?

-Nice to see you.

-Nice to see you too.

0:46:020:46:05

So what's going on here, then?

0:46:050:46:07

Well, this is a political party, Justice For Men And Boys.

0:46:070:46:10

We're here at Nottingham University,

0:46:100:46:12

handing out leaflets and engaging with students

0:46:120:46:14

on the subject of men's human rights and the abuses of them.

0:46:140:46:18

Can I give you a leaflet? Thank you very much.

0:46:210:46:24

I mean, feminism is a female supremacy movement

0:46:240:46:28

driven by misandry, the hatred of men.

0:46:280:46:30

It's a vile ideology.

0:46:300:46:32

Gentlemen, good morning. I wonder if I could give you a leaflet.

0:46:320:46:35

It's naturally assumed that women are better

0:46:350:46:37

and more willing to be parents.

0:46:370:46:39

Josh is 18, only a year younger than me.

0:46:390:46:42

I wanted to know why he had committed to the Justice For Men cause.

0:46:420:46:46

Do you think young men are in crisis at the moment?

0:46:480:46:50

Definitely. Now that we're acknowledging as a society

0:46:500:46:53

that women are just as good as men, just as equal as men,

0:46:530:46:56

men don't have a place in the world that they once did.

0:46:560:46:58

You know, a man who goes out to work used to be respected,

0:46:580:47:01

cos he was looking after the household,

0:47:010:47:03

but now we view that as unnecessary.

0:47:030:47:05

Yeah, he's going out and working, but he should do that.

0:47:050:47:08

But he doesn't need to do that, because the woman could go out and work anyway.

0:47:080:47:11

And so men don't fit neatly into the little boxes they did.

0:47:110:47:14

And with the... You know, we don't have as much manual labour jobs any more.

0:47:140:47:17

We don't have as many calls to go to big wars like the Second World War.

0:47:170:47:21

And all these things that men are uniquely biologically

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and psychologically suited for,

0:47:230:47:25

that we once slotted nicely into - it's gone.

0:47:250:47:28

So young men are lost,

0:47:280:47:30

and don't have the same guidance they once had from society.

0:47:300:47:34

I mean, what is it you want? You want equality between genders?

0:47:340:47:36

I want full equality as far as is obviously reasonable.

0:47:360:47:40

Everyone I've met on this journey,

0:47:400:47:42

-the only thing that everyone wants...

-Is equality.

-..is equality.

0:47:420:47:45

So surely - are you not fighting the wrong battle?

0:47:450:47:48

Maybe if you joined forces, you could all be much more powerful?

0:47:480:47:52

I would join forces in a heartbeat if I thought it was possible.

0:47:520:47:55

'But today isn't a day that Justice For Men and feminists will join forces,

0:47:550:47:59

'and it's not long before a group of angry students start arguing with

0:47:590:48:02

'Mike and Josh and making it quite clear that they're not welcome here.'

0:48:020:48:06

-Sorry?

-Do you think this is acceptable?

0:48:060:48:07

-What, men's rights?

-Yeah.

-Yes, men's rights are...

-Do you not think that the whole of society,

0:48:070:48:12

-the whole of the world, is organised toward men's rights?

-No, I don't.

0:48:120:48:15

And male privilege? In what sense can you possibly justify that?

0:48:150:48:17

-Well, I think you need to read our manifesto.

-I've read it.

0:48:170:48:20

Well, we have 20 areas where men's...

0:48:200:48:22

-The human rights of men and boys are assaulted. There isn't one...

-Assaulted?!

-Yes.

0:48:220:48:25

Basically I object to the reinforcement

0:48:250:48:29

that only men can help men, I suppose.

0:48:290:48:31

It seems...

0:48:310:48:33

It's Justice For Men And Boys And The Women Who Love Them.

0:48:330:48:35

We're not opposed to having female supporters.

0:48:350:48:38

-Women-hating fascists.

-We're not.

-Fuck off.

-We're nothing of the sort.

0:48:380:48:41

-You should fuck off away from our uni.

-We're not going to.

0:48:410:48:43

What do you think you've got to do in any place,

0:48:430:48:46

bashing on women further than what they have over the centuries?

0:48:460:48:49

-Why is the male suicide rate...

-You have no place!

-Why is the male suicide rate...

0:48:490:48:52

OK, so basically, it's all just gone a bit pear-shaped.

0:48:520:48:56

People over there, they're objecting

0:48:560:48:59

to Justice For Men's message.

0:48:590:49:02

They don't want to be filmed.

0:49:020:49:04

Believe it or not, it's actually calmed down a bit.

0:49:040:49:06

There was a lot more people there a minute ago,

0:49:060:49:08

and it was a bit uncomfortable, to be honest.

0:49:080:49:10

So that's why I've kind of brought myself over here to the side.

0:49:100:49:14

Moments later, one protester feels so strongly

0:49:140:49:17

about Mike's anti-women views, they threw cat litter all over his van.

0:49:170:49:21

Luckily, Ray is on hand to check the consistency.

0:49:210:49:25

Mike and his group genuinely feel very hard done by women,

0:49:250:49:29

but all the women that I've met have shocked me with stories

0:49:290:49:32

of spiked drinks and groping and revenge porn,

0:49:320:49:35

which just makes Mike's extreme views seem really warped.

0:49:350:49:39

Now, Mike is unashamedly anti-feminist,

0:49:390:49:42

and although I don't really want to say I share a view with him,

0:49:420:49:45

I kind of have always been a bit wary of feminists myself.

0:49:450:49:49

And it seems I'm not alone in finding feminists can divide opinion.

0:49:490:49:54

-Lesbians.

-HE LAUGHS

0:49:540:49:56

No, I mean, they do seem to be more, like, stern

0:49:560:50:00

and dress suited and booted.

0:50:000:50:02

She don't care what other people think of her.

0:50:020:50:04

It's a very powerful women, a feminist.

0:50:040:50:07

They've got a big ego.

0:50:070:50:08

Someone that walks around full of themselves.

0:50:100:50:13

Someone that love themselves a lot.

0:50:130:50:15

I'd say just someone who pretty much takes charge,

0:50:150:50:18

someone who gives their views and is not afraid to hold back.

0:50:180:50:22

Now, feminism is one of those things

0:50:280:50:30

that I've never really completely got, because I mean,

0:50:300:50:35

in my mind, women and men are equal already, you know?

0:50:350:50:39

And from my personal experience, the feminists that I've met

0:50:390:50:43

in the past are just a bit sensitive, you know?

0:50:430:50:45

You can't really say anything to them without them

0:50:450:50:48

just kind of hating on men.

0:50:480:50:49

'So I've come to Manchester to face my own prejudice

0:50:510:50:54

'and hear what some young feminists have to say,

0:50:540:50:56

'and take part myself in a march organised by students.'

0:50:560:51:00

Hiya. Is there anyone called Jess here?

0:51:000:51:03

-Yeah, hi.

-Hi!

-Tyger, is it?

0:51:030:51:04

-Yes, it is.

-Hi, I'm Jess, the women's officer. Nice to meet you.

-Cool.

0:51:040:51:08

-Are you here to help out with some banner making?

-Yeah.

0:51:080:51:10

Yeah, sure. What would you like me to do?

0:51:100:51:12

I mean, what is all this?

0:51:190:51:20

-So right now, we're painting one of the banners that's going to be used in the march later tonight.

-OK.

0:51:200:51:25

-Do you know anything about the march?

-No.

0:51:250:51:27

OK, so the march is called Reclaim The Night,

0:51:270:51:29

and the idea behind it is that girls shouldn't have to feel worried

0:51:290:51:34

about what they're wearing or if they've been drinking

0:51:340:51:36

or who they're with or what time it is when they're out at night.

0:51:360:51:39

They shouldn't have to be scared about being raped or attacked.

0:51:390:51:42

So this march is about reclaiming the night,

0:51:420:51:44

and women really sort of owning the streets

0:51:440:51:47

and challenging the idea that being raped or assaulted

0:51:470:51:51

is their fault, and that it's down to any of these things,

0:51:510:51:54

like flirting or alcohol or skirts.

0:51:540:51:55

So that's basically what the march tonight is about.

0:51:550:51:58

I'm obviously a guy, and not often do I go on feminist marches,

0:51:580:52:03

so do you think anyone is going to think I am a bit of a fake?

0:52:030:52:07

No. I think... To be honest, there is a mixed bloc,

0:52:070:52:10

so you're not going to be the only guy there.

0:52:100:52:12

And the last thing we want is to have that kind of segregation

0:52:120:52:15

between men and women, and everything.

0:52:150:52:17

So it's much better to have a more group majority

0:52:170:52:19

and get everybody involved to sort of all stand as one,

0:52:190:52:23

instead of having, like, girls against guys.

0:52:230:52:26

'Some of the girls I met at the banner making

0:52:320:52:34

'have invited me over for a pre-march party.'

0:52:340:52:37

Right, so apparently, part of this Reclaim The Night march,

0:52:430:52:47

a big part of it, is that everyone, like, neon paints up.

0:52:470:52:51

So I'd better get stuck in, I guess.

0:52:510:52:54

LAUGHTER

0:53:000:53:02

The girls have told me that the reason they do this

0:53:070:53:10

is so that they make themselves as visible as possible.

0:53:100:53:13

I think I'm probably visible enough.

0:53:130:53:18

LAUGHTER Oh, my God, look at your faces!

0:53:230:53:26

'OK, so I might have overdone the zinc.'

0:53:260:53:28

-Going for a bit of a decorative look, but...

-I thought we were lighting up the streets!

0:53:280:53:32

You definitely are lighting up the streets!

0:53:320:53:34

LAUGHTER

0:53:340:53:35

It looks good. It's feminism!

0:53:350:53:37

LAUGHTER

0:53:370:53:39

Nice one.

0:53:390:53:41

-CHANTING:

-What do we want?

-Safe streets!

0:53:410:53:43

'2,000 men and women are marching to make the streets a safer place

0:53:430:53:47

'by reclaiming the night.'

0:53:470:53:49

-Safe streets!

-When do want it?

-Now!

0:53:490:53:51

-What do we want?

-Safe streets!

0:53:510:53:53

This is a lot of fun, actually.

0:53:530:53:55

Not that I didn't think it would be, but yeah,

0:53:550:53:59

everyone's having a really good time. We're born equal,

0:53:590:54:02

and I need to get chanting!

0:54:020:54:04

Our streets!

0:54:040:54:06

-Our streets!

-Whose streets?

-Our streets!

0:54:060:54:10

'Most women do feel afraid outside after dark.

0:54:110:54:15

'A recent survey found that 95% of women

0:54:150:54:17

'don't feel safe on the streets, and with good reason.

0:54:170:54:21

'Last year in the Greater Manchester area,

0:54:210:54:23

'there were 6,372 reported violent attacks on women and girls.'

0:54:230:54:27

Like, my initial view on feminism,

0:54:300:54:33

because I'd never really looked into it,

0:54:330:54:35

was that it was just kind of man-bashing.

0:54:350:54:37

But actually, after talking to you guys, it's really...

0:54:370:54:40

That's not it at all.

0:54:400:54:42

-Yeah. And it's been broken in me, I have to say.

-That's good.

0:54:480:54:51

No, yeah.

0:55:000:55:01

'Emma Watson was right in the speech I saw the start of this film.

0:55:070:55:11

'I've learned that sexism is a male issue too.

0:55:110:55:14

'Apathy and sitting on the fence are no longer an option.

0:55:140:55:17

'A tipping point has been reached,

0:55:170:55:19

'and it's time for guys to show their support.'

0:55:190:55:22

I have to say, when I first started this journey,

0:55:220:55:24

I didn't really think that sexism was much of a problem for my generation.

0:55:240:55:29

But then, I suppose, pretty quickly,

0:55:290:55:31

when I met the girls in Cardiff,

0:55:310:55:33

my opinion did start to change,

0:55:330:55:36

and then since then, I really have learned that, actually, sexism -

0:55:360:55:40

it is a really big part of so many girls' everyday lives.

0:55:400:55:44

'And sexist behaviour doesn't just manifest itself

0:55:480:55:51

'in fear and intimidation for the women.

0:55:510:55:53

'It also makes us men look really, really bad.'

0:55:540:55:58

I think the thing is, men just don't think enough

0:55:580:56:02

about their behaviour and their actions,

0:56:020:56:05

and actually how that really can potentially devastate a woman.

0:56:050:56:10

And we can all think about our actions

0:56:100:56:12

and all think about the language we use,

0:56:120:56:15

and I've learnt that we need to stand up and be that guy

0:56:150:56:18

who says to his mates, you know,

0:56:180:56:20

"That's not actually all right to say to a woman."

0:56:200:56:23

And I've learnt that we can all do things better.

0:56:230:56:26

CHANTING

0:56:260:56:29

Honestly, I would never have thought of myself as someone

0:56:310:56:34

who would come to a feminist march, but now look at me.

0:56:340:56:38

Anyway, I think I've got to go back.

0:56:380:56:40

CHEERING Yes!

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