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In 2015, many believe that when it comes to sexism we're going backwards, not forwards. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
So I'm on a mission to find out whether we - | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
in particular, my generation - | 0:00:09 | 0:00:10 | |
are becoming more sexist than ever before. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
To me, sexism would mean to be discriminated against because I'm a female | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
and I've got boobs and all the rest of the female anatomy. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
I think sexism is inequality between men and women. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
Erm, making you feel like a sexual object, | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
when you're obviously not - you're just going out for a walk. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
Yeah, I just think it's, like, certain groups of males | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
probably have a lack of respect towards women. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
You know that there is just a lack of respect for you as a person, | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
and it's got nothing to do with my ability, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
but everything to do with my gender. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
So do we treat women as badly as the media and stats suggest? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
According to a UN report published last year... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
Britain is the most "in-your-face sexist" country in the world. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Is it? | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
-Sexism still exists. -Yeah, yeah, yeah. | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
-It's thriving. -It's still there. -Like a cancer. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
People who don't see it or experience it | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
they don't think it exists any more. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
But it exists in other people's lives. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Even celebrities are rallying to the cause. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
Take this impassioned speech from Emma Watson at the UN. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
Men, gender equality is your issue, too. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
So is our attitude to women really getting worse? | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Do men have any idea how women actually feel about the way | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
they're being treated? | 0:01:25 | 0:01:26 | |
And is there anything that we can do to change things? | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
For the next month, I'm going to travel the country to find out, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
from university sports teams... | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
INDISTINCT SINGING | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
..to nights out clubbing. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
I had my arse grabbed. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
Somebody came up behind me and thrusted into my back...side. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
I'll find out how language is a big part of the problem... | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
Scrubber, moose, hag, dog, tramp, slat, whore, tart... | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
..and how the internet is being used as the latest weapon against women. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
In July, 2013, I became a victim of revenge porn. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
I'll discover what's being done to tackle the problem... | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
I want you all together, now, to shout.. SPARTANS! | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
URGH! URGH! URGH! | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
..and meet some who think it is men who are getting a rough deal. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
Do you think young men are in crisis at the moment? | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
Definitely. Men don't have a place in the world, that they once did. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
And find out how girls, and boys, are fighting back. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
I'm going on a journey | 0:02:25 | 0:02:26 | |
to find out just how sexist my generation is. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
But before I set off, there was just time to pop to our local | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
to say farewell to Dad, and get his take on the subject. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Do you think we've got a problem with sexism in the UK? | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
No, I think there probably IS sexism in the UK, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
but then you have to then narrow down what you think sexism is. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
You know, sexism can be different things to different people. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
-Do you think I'm sexist? -No. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
No, I don't think that. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:02 | |
I've never seen any evidence of you being sexist? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
No, I don't think you are, at all. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:06 | |
But something that happened to me recently... | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
I remember, some random person... | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
I was going through the door and I held it like that for her, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
and she just looked at me as if to say... | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
"Why? You go first, it's fine." | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
She wasn't saying, like, I was being sexist, but, as if to say, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
"Don't bother." | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
Holding a door open for a woman... What's wrong with that? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
Holding a... I open car doors for women all the time. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
-That's how I was brought up. -That's one of the things that really annoys me. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
I can't even do it any more! | 0:03:30 | 0:03:31 | |
It used to be, when I was brought up, if you were in a restaurant | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
and a woman gets up to go to the loo, or whatever, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
you stand up while she leaves the table. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
-If I do that now, people think, right -BLEEP -nutter. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
And it's the hypersensitivity to try and not to be sexist. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
Of course it is, yeah. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
Because you can't say anything. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
Oh, I don't know. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
This is a tough one. Good subject. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Good subject, but I don't... | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
I don't know. Presumably you're going to find out | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
by the end of this thing, aren't you? | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
I'm off to university to start my search | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
because apparently they're quickly becoming, like, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
hotbeds for rampant sexism. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
There's a report here from the National Union of Students | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
that says in universities, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
groping is seen as a normal part of a night out. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
Is it? | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
And there's a website called Unilad - | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
I'm sure you can guess what that is, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
a website for lads at uni - | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
all about, sort of, girls and shagging and stuff... | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
and there was a post here on a forum from a guy, it says... | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
"It's not rape, I like to call it a struggle-cuddle." | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
And these guys all over the country at university have been | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
in the news, in the papers, for what they would call "banter" | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
about things like raping freshers and spiking girls' drinks. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
But before we get to university, let's further our education with | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
a quick history lesson to see how men have been treating women badly | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
for generations. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
Back in your great-grandmother's day, | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
the suffragette movement was formed, | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
to the horror of men all over the country. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
By 1918, women were finally granted the right to vote. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
Well, sort of. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
You had to be over 30 and qualify as a homeowner, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
where, up until the 1950s, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
a woman's place was definitely meant to be. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
Then in the 1960s, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
women took to the streets again | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
to continue their fight for equal rights. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
And it worked. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
In 1975, the Sex Discrimination Act | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
was passed, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
meaning women were now officially equal to men. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
And four years later, we had our first female Prime Minister. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
The lady's not for turning. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
# Yo, I'll tell you what I want What I really, really want | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
# So tell me what you want... # | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Change was definitely in the air and by the '90s, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
it appeared that girls were on top. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
# If you want to be my lover, you got to get with my friends...# | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
Fast forward to the present | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
and it seems like we're going backwards fast. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
Sexist video games, sexist porn, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
Dapper Laughs, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
and a resurgence of a predatory lad culture. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
How do you want your eggs? | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
Same as last night, yeah? Fertilised? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
He knows...! | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
So, back to uni, where apparently the worst offenders | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
are the sports clubs, who see singing sexist songs | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
as part and parcel of a fun night out. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Last year mobile phone footage of a Stirling University rugby team | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
went viral when they were caught singing an updated version | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
of an old drinking song on a public bus. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Fellow passengers in this footage are clearly shocked and appalled | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
by their behaviour. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
-WOMAN: -That's so brutal. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
INDISTINCT SHOUTING AND CHANTING | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
I'm starting my journey in Cardiff, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
a thriving university city famous for its love of a good night out | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
and rugby. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:48 | |
But I've come here to play hockey. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:50 | |
To be honest, I was a little relieved - | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
rugby always terrified me at school! | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
I want to really get under the skin of lad culture | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
and see if university sports clubs | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
are really as bad as it's been suggested. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
To do that, hockey captain Chris and chairman Ben | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
have promised to take me on a big night out. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
All right? | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
Yeah, a bit cold! | 0:07:13 | 0:07:14 | |
'But first I have to prove my worth on the pitch. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:19 | |
'Easier said than done.' | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
Drive it forward. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:26 | |
I feel kind of like a kind of sense of camaraderie, which is quite nice. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
Like...team spirit, kind of thing. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
So far, the most offensive thing about this game | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
has been my hockey skills. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
Maybe the sexist behaviour will start to reveal itself in the locker room, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
where - let's face it - everything else is revealed! | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
Stop looking. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:54 | |
That is the coldest shower ever! | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
Warm shower? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:02 | |
'My initiation into the world of university sports teams | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
'and Unilad culture begins with a bottle of shampoo | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
'poured over my head.' | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
Bad spillage! | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
'Closely followed by my second cold shower of the day.' | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
Oh, my gosh! | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
GASPS AND GROANS | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
It's a pair of shoes, boys! | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
I feel like I'm kind of being initiated into this lad world, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
but I don't know if I'm fully there, yet. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
I seem to be doing some of the lad things wrong. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
WOMAN: Why, what're you doing wrong? | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
I don't know. Didn't like my shoes. They're not laddie shoes, apparently. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
I thought they were smart, but... | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
looks like I've fallen at the first hurdle. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
-You're ready? -I'm ready! | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
'Suited and booted, time to hit the bars of Cardiff.' | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
Three, two, one... Go! | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
In time-honoured tradition, a hockey lads' night out | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
kicks off with some drinking games. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
SHOUTING | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
WILD SHOUTING ERUPTS | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
I quickly learn that drinking | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
is a big part of a lads' night out. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
As is... | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
a good old-fashioned sing-song, led by star player Mattie. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
INDISTINCT DRUNKEN SINGING | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
A few beers later, attention is turned to some girls in the bar. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
# Have you ever seen Millsy pull a wench...# | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
They are serenaded by a traditional hockey love ballad, Pull a Wench. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
# Have you ever seen Millsy pull a wench? # | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Whilst Chris and some of the boys | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
try to impress the ladies with their banter, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
I was about to be initiated into another hockey tradition. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
It's a game called Tell Her, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
and the rules are if someone says something about a girl | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
and a team-mate shouts "Tell her!" | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
then he must immediately go up to the girl | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
and tell her what he just said. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
So, say, for example, some idiot just told his new team-mates | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
that he didn't fancy a girl at the bar... | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
-TELL HER! -Tell her! | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
Tell her! | 0:10:06 | 0:10:07 | |
Excuse me. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Excuse me. I'm really sorry about this, | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
erm, I wouldn't have sex with you at the moment. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
< I would! | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
Yes. I was the idiot. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
I'm really sorry. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
That was so awkward. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:22 | |
Why do you have to do that? | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
It teaches you respect. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
You know, they're having a great time | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
and they're absolutely lovely guys, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
but, you know, I really enjoyed hanging out with them and playing hockey with them, | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
and just kind of really feeling that sort of kind of team spirit. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
The camaraderie. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
And the idea that you've always got a group of mates to go out with. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
You've always got someone there to back you up, kind of thing. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
That's really nice, but... as the night progressed, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
and they're literally just chucking drinks down their throats, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
you know - they're lovely guys - but they just change slightly. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
I don't think they fully really know the way that they are acting, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
and I felt a bit uncomfortable | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
going up to random women and putting your arms around them, and stuff. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
It's just... | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
That was just a little bit too far for me, I think. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
# I've got to beam a message to you | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
# Straight from the satellite... # | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
I felt quite bad when I woke up this morning. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
Not just because of my hangover, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
but mainly because last night | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
I was so, like, wound up in how uncomfortable I was feeling, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
and how uncomfortable I felt having to go up to women | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
and tell them things and watching the lads tell women | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
that they're fat, and stuff, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
and if I was feeling uncomfortable, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
then imagine how those women must have felt. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
To find out, I managed to track down some of the girls from last night. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
Shelby, Jasmine, and Georgia are students at university here. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
I wanted to find out how the boys' behaviour | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
and drinking games affected them. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
-Hiya. -You all right? -Fine, thank you. -Cool. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
I don't know if you saw me last night, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
-but I kind of saw you guys last night in Missoula. -Yes. -Yes. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
We kind of met. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
But, erm...you were chatting to some of the lads I was with | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
and, to be honest, I think you actually left | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
at quite a good time in the night. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:15 | |
I noticed that with the volume of the guys | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
you could tell that the alcohol was sort of taking an effect. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
And that's when they start coming over to us | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
and showing that actually they were drunk. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:25 | |
The louder it gets, the more you don't want to be around them. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
I really got, erm, a sense that... | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
..it was just like they don't even think about it. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
It's just, like, what the hockey team | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
and what these people have just done for years. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
I don't think they actually really | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
think about how it makes girls feel, sometimes. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
No. If you get upset "Oh, it's just banter!" | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
That's, like, the most coined... | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
-That word has just been used for so many things. -Yeah. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
-"Just get over it." -Covers a lot of nasty comments, doesn't it? | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
"Oh, it's just banter." | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
Are there any sort of specific examples of the sexism | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
you've experienced that, like, stand out? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
I have a few experiences where you're at a bar, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
and someone tries to approach you | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
because they see you're not with your friends | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
and because I'm quite short the angle that I'm stood at | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
they'll make a comment about my chest being out, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
or something like that. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
-Or they'll just stick their head in. -Yeah, they grope freely, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
and it's not very nice. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
You sort of tell them to f-off, or something, or back off, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
and then they say, "Well, why are you wearing it?" | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
or "Why would you do it? You're just asking for it" sort of thing. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
I'd seen things from the boys' perspective, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
so now I wanted to see things from the girls' side. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
And what's the best way to really understand | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
what it's like to be a girl? | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
By becoming one, of course! | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
The girls are already ready by the time I arrive for our big night out. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
You need to help me look as good as I can, basically! OK? | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
-Yeah. -We can do that. You're in good hands. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
What do you want to wear? Have you got anything in mind? | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
I guess I want to look hot, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
but I don't want to look, like, really slutty. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
-That word! -But, honestly. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
A guy honestly does have a perception... | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
Girls don't dress slutty, they just end up being branded slutty. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
It's such a fine line, as well. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:07 | |
Well, I apologise, but I want to be on that side of that line. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
-I suppose it must be quite a fine line. -Absolutely. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
Because guys like you label us as slutty. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
I did apologise straight afterwards. THEY CHUCKLE | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
I wasn't sure my apology had cut it, though. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
And I was worried the offence I'd caused | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
would derail my girls' night out before it'd even started. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
Well, anyway you all look pretty stunning, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
so I think I'm going to try and go and do the same to myself. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
-Yeah? All right? -Good luck. -Thank you. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
I vow one day there will be a film where I don't dress as a woman! | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
# Midnight...# | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
I think I look quite nice. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
I'm struggling with this wig so much, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
you're just going to have to help me. I'm so sorry. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
Something tells me my wig isn't the only problem. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
So, what's actually wrong with my outfit? | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
You look...awful. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
-..told me to buy is. -No. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
I wouldn't wear that on a night out even. And I've got a girl's figure. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
I'm trying my best! | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
-Yeah, you did. -Try the dress. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
OOHS AND AAHS | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
Do you think I look really sexy, now? | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
Yeah, it looks cool. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
Do you guys like attention, or dislike attention on nights out? | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
We don't do it for that, we do it for ourselves. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
-ALL: -Yeah. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
Could you explain that a little bit? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:23 | |
For a bloke, it's kind of hard to understand. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
So who do you guys dress up for? | 0:15:26 | 0:15:27 | |
Who am I dressing up for, right now? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
Our night doesn't revolve around guys. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
We like to make sure that we're dressing up for each other. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
'I think that's a big part of why a lot of guys | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
'behave so badly towards women - they just don't realise that girls | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
'aren't dressing up for them.' | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
So, then, when a guy thinks he can do something which is | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
one step too far, that's not really cool. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
Absolutely not. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
And where would you say that boundary is? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
When it's, like, sexual - too far. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
Saying you look nice, your body looks nice - fine. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
Like, literally, pointing to a bit of your body - I don't know... | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
Right, so what do you think the worst that's going to happen to you tonight is? | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
Erm... | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
The worst is you can be spiked, so... | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
-Spiked? -Yeah. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
I'm pretty sure I know what to be spiked means, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
but is it when they put drugs in your drink, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
so that you basically can't function | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
so that they can basically rape you? | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
Yeah, I think that's, like, the general idea of it. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
Has that, like, properly happened? | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
-It's happened to me. -It's happened to you? -Yeah. It happened to me. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
It was in Freshers' Week, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
I went on a night out... | 0:16:28 | 0:16:29 | |
I just ended up finding myself in some random uni halls. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
I had the police take the home. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
I had to go to hospital, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
I had to get blood tests... | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
So, yes. Scary. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:40 | |
Yes, I mean, I'm surprised that actually all of you probably know | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
-one person who's been spiked. -ALL: -Yeah. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
I thought it was something... | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
-Honestly, I thought it was something from, like, films and stuff. -No. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
'Shelby is far from alone. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:52 | |
'Shockingly, a recent survey at nearby Swansea University | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
'found that one in three female students have had their drink spiked. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:59 | |
'A sinister example of the dangers young woman face | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
'at university today.' | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
OK, am I looking all right? | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
'Time to leave for the club.' | 0:17:06 | 0:17:07 | |
Ooh. I am going to be so cold. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Does anyone have a little jacket, or anything? | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
-No! -No! -That's not what we do! | 0:17:12 | 0:17:13 | |
'So, a girls' night out dictates I must freeze.' | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
THEY ALL SHIVER | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
OK, guys. Where is the club? | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
'Worth saying it's sub-flipping-zero!' | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
It is a bit of a walk. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
'We are being filmed on a hidden camera as we walk to the club, | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
'so I can experience what it is really like for a girl | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
'walking the streets at night. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
'We've only just started walking... | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
'and a random bloke on the street shouts sexual abuse at us.' | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
-What? -What's he done now? | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
-What'd he say? -He said, "Oh, I love pussy, I do." | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
Oh, my God...! Oh, my God! | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Licking his lips? That was nice(!) | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
What's, like, the worst thing that's happened walking down the street on a night out? | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
Getting catcalls... You can't do anything when you're far away. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
It's something every single night. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
'Now every bloke we pass on the street feels like a potential threat. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
'My girls' night out is quickly becoming a real eye-opener.' | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
MUSIC PLAYS | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
'This is what girls do on a night out, isn't it? | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
'Also at the club were Chris, Mattie and Ben from the hockey team.' | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
Definitely a lot of people in there who know that I'm a bloke, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
but some people probably fancied me. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Specially when they grabbed your bum and were buying you drinks. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
I've had drinks bought, I've had bum-grabs, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
and you look round, and they're nowhere to be seen. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
It's like a spank. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
-Yeah. That happens a lot. Your bum gets... -How do they just vanish? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
Particularly in the club, I had my arse grabbed. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
Somebody came up behind me and thrusted into my back...side. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
When that guy thrusted into me, I turned round straight away | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
-and he was high-fiving his friends. -Really? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
He thought it was funny. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
You must feel like an exhibition, then? | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
They don't really value you as a human being. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
When we first met, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:30 | |
-I did not know it was a male. -And you squeezed my bum, didn't you? | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
I did squeeze your bum. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
What type of girls tonight caught your eye? | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
There was you, there was two blondes... | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
One with a lot...to show. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
There was one with this - Chavasaurus rex. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
If she's doing that, what do you think that means? | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
-Do think that means she wants attention? -She wants then, erm... | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
-Possibly. I don't believe... -Wants the "D". | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
-What's the D? -There's the D. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
I think we can all guess what "the D" stands for. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
Do you know what, I've actually had a really good time this evening. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
Like, I've been out the lads, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
and have had a lads' night. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
I've been out with the girls, and have had a proper girls' night, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
and I've kind of seen it from the other side. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
But, the thing that does shock me, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:19 | |
is when you speak to any women, any girls on the street or in the club, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
you know, each one of them has got at least one pretty harrowing story | 0:20:22 | 0:20:28 | |
of, you know, everyday sexism. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
My experiences in Cardiff with the girls have made me realise | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
just how rife sexism is, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
and how little respect women sometimes get from us men. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
But as much as I thought otherwise at the beginning of my journey, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
by using the word slutty, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
it was clear that I was part of the problem, too. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
Scrubber, moose, hag, dog, tramp, slut, whore, tart, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
slapper, Delilah, Jezebel, trout... | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
Don't worry, I haven't suddenly got Tourette's - bear with me... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
..pig, slut, sket, skank, thirsty bitch, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
harlot, floozy, minger, gash bike... | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Yeah, all right, I did make "gash bike" up, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
but there is actually a very serious point to all this. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
Because in the English language | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
there are over 200 derogatory terms to describe a girl | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
who sleeps around a lot, but there are only a few for guys. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
Now that seems like a pretty serious imbalance. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
So, meet Joe and meet Hannah. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
Now, Joe has slept with 30 girls | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
and Hannah has slept with 30 guys. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
So I'm going to go into the street | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
to see what people think about them both. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
Ready, guys? Yeah, no, no, it'll be fun, it'll be good fun. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
No, it'll be fun. Yeah, yeah. Let's go, let's go. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
So how will people judge Joe and Hannah - | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
not their real names or their sexual history, by the way - | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
for having the same number of sexual partners? | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
OK, so, this is my mate Joe. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
He's slept with 30 girls. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:52 | |
-What would you think of him? -Lad. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:55 | |
-Lad? -Yeah. Lad. -And this is my friend Hannah. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
Now she's slept with 30 guys - what do you think of her? | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
First word that pops into my head would probably be slag. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
-I'd think he was a lad. -Yeah. -Probably. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
-Bit of slag. -LOUD LAUGHTER | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
-Player. -Player. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
-Slut. -FRIEND CHUCKLES | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
Naughty boy, I would say. A bit of a slut. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
His friends will think he's a bit of a lad. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
But some girls will think she's a slut. They'd be jealous. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
He's a game fella. On the other hand he could be dying of diseases. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
-I think she's... -She's a slag. -..a slag, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
considering she's been with so many men. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Erm, well, that's put me right off her, to be honest. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
Even the girls are calling her a slut. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
Perhaps we really do need to come up with a new word for a female stud. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
Do you think there's actually a female equivalent | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
-for the word stud or lad? -I've never heard one, no. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
Well, you've got to come up with one. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
Lass, probably! | 0:22:54 | 0:22:55 | |
Do you think there is a female equivalent of the word stud? | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
No. Not that exists. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
Well, I guess you kind of could say that slag is the equivalent, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
-but not really, because stud is a good thing. -Yeah. -Slag isn't. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
It seems to be one rule for one gender and one rule for the other, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
which is obviously wrong. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
Female stud, all I can think of is, like, fud is a female stud. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
Right. So there you have it. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:23 | |
I mean, it might not've been the most scientific method, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
but I think my experiment definitely proved that | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
we do have a big double standard when it comes to boys and girls | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
and that, actually, the language we all use | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
is a big part of that everyday sexism problem. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
And, you know, I guess, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
we might have come up with a new word for a female stud - a fud. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
(Fud...) Nah. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
Nah, maybe not. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:49 | |
'Someone who's done more than most | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
'to shine a light on the issue of sexism today is Laura Bates, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
'founder of the Everyday Sexism project...' | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
-Fancy going to get a coffee, or something? -Sure. Sounds good. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
'..a website that records everyday incidents of sexist behaviour | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
'experienced by women on a day-to-day basis. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
'Laura didn't want us to identify her office | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
'as she's been the subject of almost daily threats of violence and rape. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
'In just three years, her site has had 100,000 posts.' | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
Here's a bunch of really typical entries. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
So, this is from a girl at school who... | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
The guy sitting next to her took a picture of her breasts | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
on his mobile phone and Snapchatted it around to the other guys | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
at the school without her realising. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Here we've got a 14-year-old girl | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
in a science class being told to get back in the kitchen, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
that all she's good for is cleaning, cooking and blow jobs. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
And here another 14-year-old's talking about | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
being frequently touched, groped and having her breasts grabbed | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
at school, and it being something that's really normal. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
We would have thousands of entries all along those same lines - | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
people saying the same thing. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
I mean, I've had a look at your website myself, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
and although most of the stuff on there is terrible... | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
but there are entries that... | 0:24:58 | 0:24:59 | |
It seems a bit more of a grey area, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
where it's not, actually, maybe, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
that sexist in a lot of people's opinions. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
Do you think there's any danger in if we really are | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
calling everything sexist | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
that we're going to get to a worse state, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
where actually nothing is sexist? | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Well, I definitely don't think that we're in danger at the moment | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
of overreacting to sexism. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:19 | |
Very much the message we get is that it's something very difficult | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
for people to speak out about, and it doesn't get recognised. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
For me, I think it's a spectrum. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
For example, we see a woman who tries to brush off being shouted at or wolf-whistled in the street - | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
it's not that big a deal - and then finds that because she ignores it, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
the guy follows her home | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
and sexually assaults her on her doorstep. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
So it's not separate boxes of | 0:25:38 | 0:25:39 | |
"this isn't that big a deal", "this is more serious"... | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
These things are kind of more fluid than that, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
and they have a bigger impact on each other. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
'Sites like Laura's have certainly put sexism on the agenda today | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
'and it's encouraging to read how it's inspiring a generation of women | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
'to stand up against it.' | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
However, the internet is also being used as a weapon against women. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:03 | |
Slut-shaming, or revenge porn, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
is where a boy posts an intimate image on the internet of a girl | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
he used to go out with. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
And, yes, it is almost always boys posting images of girls. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
I've come to Chelmsford to meet this girl called Hazel | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
who unfortunately was "shamed" by her ex-boyfriend | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
in quite a brutal way. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
She's done quite a lot of stuff in the papers - | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
there's something in a tabloid here... | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
Hazel hit the headlines last year | 0:26:32 | 0:26:33 | |
after her ex-boyfriend posted an explicit sex tape of them | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
over the internet. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
What was it like the moment you find out? | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
I was just so shocked. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
I feel humiliated. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
Like, all these strange, like, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
gross men have seen it. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
I just felt so... | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
exposed, you know? | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
Revenge porn is one way for a boy to assert power over their ex, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
but Hazel refused be crushed | 0:26:58 | 0:26:59 | |
and decided to speak up. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
That's quite, like, a brave thing to do, don't you think? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
I'm trying to tell my story to help others, really. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
I want my word to get out | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
and to show that I'm not ashamed, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
and the other victims shouldn't be ashamed either. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
And what are you doing today, then? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
Well, I'm going to go to a local school, Bosworth School, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
and I'm going to speak to some six-formers | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
and tell them my story. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
Hello, everyone. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
-PUPILS: -Hello. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:33 | |
My name's Hazel, and in July, 2013, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
I became a victim of revenge porn. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
I was in a relationship for about nine or ten months | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
and I broke up with him, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
but before, when we were in love, or when we thought we were in love - | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
we'd done a little video. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
But when we broke up, he posted the video onto actual porn sites | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
and it took over a year to get rid of it. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
And the one thing that I would like to tell everyone | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
is to be aware. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
Because I know it can have the same psychological effects as rape, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
and I don't want people to feel that way. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
So, just by a show of hands, how many of you actually know someone | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
that this type of thing has happened to? | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
Whoa. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
OK, I did not expect that. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
'I only left school three years ago, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
'but in that time, the problem seems to have become a lot worse.' | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
I know so many people that've had it happen to them. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
Probably 20 people. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
It happened to one person, like, recently. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
And they didn't come into school for a very long time. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
They didn't hang around with the same people. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
I think their friends just stopped talking to them | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
because they were embarrassed | 0:28:46 | 0:28:47 | |
and didn't want to be associated with, like, "a slag." | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
And they just lost all of their friends | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
and they're still to this day, getting hate | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
because of what they did. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
Obviously, it happens to both guys and girls, | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
but in either way in the situations | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
a guy always somehow comes out on top | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
in the way...it doesn't affect him really, like, socially. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
Like, even sometimes you could say he would get a little bit more popular | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
for receiving these pictures. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
Or showing his friends them. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:16 | |
Whereas, a girl, no matter how... how much... | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
she will always come out on bottom. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
'The stuff I was hearing from the girls was shocking | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
'and I wanted to get a sense of why boys do it.' | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
Do you think the media and social networking are actually | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
-allowing men to be more sexist? -Yeah. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
Because of the rights and... | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
now that women are allowed to vote and everything, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
and because of that they have to find another way | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
to push them down and show that they're the dominant. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
And you've still got your old-fashioned, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
"Oh, yeah, we're better" people, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
and we need to say, "No, that's enough." | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
In the past when, you know, I'd have been | 0:29:49 | 0:29:50 | |
shown a picture of my mate's naked girlfriend, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
I'd probably have thought, ah, yeah, that's cool, quite nice, whatever. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
I wouldn't have thought anything about the girl in the picture. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
Now, I'd be more inclined to think, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
no, mate, stop, what are you doing? Why are you showing me that? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
That's not a nice thing to do. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
And really, I think that's what we ALL should be saying. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
'At the beginning of this journey, I was unsure about what to think, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
'but I'm starting to see things differently now. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
'It really has begun to hit home | 0:30:19 | 0:30:20 | |
'just how big a problem it is for girls | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
'and it made me start to think about my own girlfriend, Libby, | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
'and what she might have had to put up with.' | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
I'm quite excited to see my girlfriend. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
-Hi there, babe. -Hey, you OK? -You all right? Yeah, I'm good. -I missed you. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
-I missed you more. Hey, Reg! Reggie boy! -Reg is here. -Hello! | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
'Libby and I have been together for a year and a half, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
'but this will be the first time I've ever asked her | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
'about any sexist behaviour she might have experienced.' | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
You know, you're just walking, like, walking down the street, | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
mind your own business, blah, blah, blah... | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
-I get beeped at all the time. -I've seen it, yeah. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
Just cos you get the workmen in their vans and... | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
um, train stations? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
A lot of the time, it's happened before, there's empty carriages | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
and, you know, a guy comes and sits next to you on a whole empty garage. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
-On an empty carriage. Oh, my God. -And it's like...really? -Yeah. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:15 | |
And it gets to the point where you kind of just brush it off, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
cos you just get it so often and you just accept that's what guys do. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
And I mean, I have to say initially, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
I didn't think our generation was particularly sexist, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
but seeing the Cardiff lads, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
you know, they do this thing when they... | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
they just walk up to random women in bars and... | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
tell them random things like... | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
oh, I don't want to have sex with you. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
'OK, technically, yes, that was me.' | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
Do you ever get though, like, in our generation now, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
it's like the way to chat up a girl is to act like that towards them? | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
And guys think that going out and being a lad and drinking | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
and going up to girls and being like, oh, yeah, | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
can I have sex with you, can I see your boobs and stuff like that, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
that guys just think that that is how you get girls nowadays? | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
But is it ever flattering? | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
Um, in some cases, yes. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
But even if a really, really hot guy came up to me | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
and said, oh, show us your tits, I would still be like, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
hang on, that is a bit weird. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
I would still want him to be respectful to me. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
-There we go. -It looks all right, doesn't it? -Perfect, look at that. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
-Do you want it now or shall we put it in the fridge? -In the fridge. -I think so, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
cos I'm not really in the mood for that much salad. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
I don't think I'll ever be in the mood for that much, but it's good fun. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
'Libby had raised an interesting point. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
'Guys in our generation just don't know how to talk to | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
'and behave in front of girls any more. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
'Maybe we just need a bit of a helping hand.' | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
Someone who claims to offer this help is Beckster. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
He runs classes to teach young men how to approach women | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
and bring out their inner alpha male. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
I find the best way to do this | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
is first of all, learn the training wheels, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
like, the conversational pieces, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
the conversational starters. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
The thing is, a lot of people would describe me as kind of like, um... | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
-kind of like metrosexual. -Yes. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
So, like, how are you going to, how are you going to help me? | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
Maybe instil a bit more of the alpha man in you. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
That just means being more, the most confident self you can be, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
it doesn't mean walking around, going, beefcake, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
-or anything like that. -Yeah. -It just means, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
being 100% positive in your actions, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
the words you say, having conviction in what you're going to do | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
and seeing someone you like and having the courage | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
-to go up and talk to them. -But I'll be so nervous. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
It's fine, with time, your confidence grows | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
-and you'll be absolutely fine. Deal? -OK, all right. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
-Let's do it. -All right, deal. Deal. -Cool. -Instant date. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
'Two men in leather gloves fisting in a London park? | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
'You can't get more alpha male than that.' | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
To kick things off, we begin with the theory | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
in a classroom above a London pub. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
So, we're going to wake you up, get the blood going. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
Who's seen the film 300? Do you know the roar on it? | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
-Yeah. -Spartans! | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
So, I want you to altogether now shout, "Spartans!" Then, "Ooh, ooh, ooh!" OK? | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
'Hang on, I thought he said this wasn't like that.' | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
-Spartans! -ALL: -Spartans! | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Ooh, ooh, ooh! | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Right, good, now sit down. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
That's just waking the blood up and getting you going. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
-'We start with some basics.' -Smiling is important. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
Smiling, apparently increases your chance... | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
by 80%. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
Just me smiling quite a lot. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
So, just smile more. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:18 | |
Yeah? Just, big smiles. That's it, I want to see the pearly whites. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
There you go. See? | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
Now we're laughing, this is fun, this is contagious. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
This works, this is great for people. Right... | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
This is the time, pens and paper. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
BECKSTER LAUGHS | 0:34:34 | 0:34:35 | |
Capture, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
bond... | 0:34:37 | 0:34:38 | |
and...what do you think the last one might be? | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
'Er, get her phone number? | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
'Cheeky kiss? First date? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
'Move in together and get married?' | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
Sex. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:50 | |
FAINT LAUGHTER | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
'I didn't see that one coming, but you have to admire the ambition.' | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
Capture their...imagination. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
Capture their emotions, OK? | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
And capture their humour. Bond. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
-What do you think I mean by bond? -Getting to know them better. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
Getting to know them better. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:08 | |
And this is building deep rapport, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
which also is one way to find a mate or a friend, OK? | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
I've just said friend. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
What happens if we stick in the bonding stage? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
-What happens? -Friend zone. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
Yeah, you get stuck in the friend zone. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
Who's been stuck in the friend zone? Put your hands up. I have. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Yeah? Exactly. And why is that? | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
Cos you didn't show any sexual interest. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
You're too scared to man up | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
and take it to the next level, which is sex. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
'I'm curious to find out about my classmates | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
'and their reasons for being here.' | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
I don't want to just pull, you know what I mean? | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
That's probably one of the main reasons why I'm still a virgin, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
because I want to meet someone. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
It just, like, some people have had the social upbringing | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
so they've met all the women through that. Other people haven't. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
So what do they do? Do they go home and cry about it, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
play on computer games? I don't know. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
Or they can go out and meet women. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
'Tom's a good-looking guy. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
'Surely he doesn't have a problem approaching girls.' | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
I used to be sort of scared of rejection. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
I used to be very shy, | 0:36:13 | 0:36:14 | |
and I used to kind of care too much what people thought about me, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
so I thought just by being quiet, you know... | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
What would the ultimate, perfect guy that you want to be be? | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
I think everyone wants to be James Bond, don't they, really? | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
-James Bond? -Yeah. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:25 | |
I'm going to teach you a conversational piece | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
that we can start using today. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
So write this one down. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
So when we're stopping people on the street or in the park, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
it's a delicate subject of body language and gestures and so on, | 0:36:36 | 0:36:41 | |
so we want to be quite careful not to invade their space too much, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
and how to do it correctly and fluidly, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
with calibration and confidence. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
So the first thing is the walk up. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
So I can practise on you first. If you stand up for a moment. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:56 | |
Hey, sorry, I've only got a moment, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
but I was just chatting to my friend, Alison. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
She's in Primark at the moment. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
So a little joke there and so on. And then you... | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
'Ha-ha, the old Alison in Primark joke. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
'Classic! Always funny. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:09 | |
'Theory over, time now to put it into practice. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
'So we all head off to Covent Garden to try out our newly learned skills.' | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
Let's go. Come on. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
Is that it? | 0:37:25 | 0:37:26 | |
But whilst my classmates all confidently head off on the pull, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
I'm feeling a bit nervous. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
When you're nervous, the first three times are always going to be the most nerve-racking thing. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
But once you get over that, cos you get used to doing it, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
realise you're not going to die, it's all good. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
People will be really friendly and open, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
and if they don't want to talk, they'll just say sorry | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
and carry on and you know, leave you to it. So it's fine. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
-So there's no interaction that's really a bad interaction. -OK. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
As long as you keep it nice, it's all good. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
Buoyed up by Beckster's pep talk, I see a nice looking girl. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
Excuse me, I'm really sorry. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
I've always actually wondered, are Ugg boots any good? | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
Are they very comfy? They are? | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
'All seems to be going well.' | 0:38:10 | 0:38:11 | |
What's your name, by the way? INAUDIBLE | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
-Could I have your phone number? -No, sorry. -OK. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
That's all right, no problem. Thank you. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
Hi, there. Excuse me. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
I wanted to come say hi cos I thought you looked really nice. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
OK, thank you. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:26 | |
'The rejections were coming thick and fast. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
'I needed some expert one-to-one coaching from Beckster.' | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
You could maybe use the wanted or needed question. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
-OK. -"My friend's just in the Apple Store, so I've only got a moment, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
"but I just wanted to ask you this question - | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
"what do you think's better, to be wanted or needed by somebody?" | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
Hi, there. Excuse me. I'm really, really sorry. I've only got a minute, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
my friend's just in the Apple Store. Can I ask you girls a quick question? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
Do you think it is better to be wanted or needed? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
All right, thank you very much. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
'I give up. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:56 | |
'I hope my fellow classmates were having more luck than me.' | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
-Hey, Tom, is it going? -I've got one number. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
Cool. So how have you found it today, then? | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
It's been quite intense. Like, you know, sort of... It's interesting. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
I'm still learning quite a lot. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
Quite tired. It's full-on. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
'While we were talking, Tom suddenly spots a girl he fancies, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
'and decides to give it one final go. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
'This was going to be amazing. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:22 | |
'I could feel Cupid drawing his bow. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
'Go on, Tom. Go on!' | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
Excuse me. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:28 | |
'Ah.' | 0:39:29 | 0:39:30 | |
How did that go? What happened there? | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
I give up. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
Fuck this. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
'Unlucky, Tom. But at least you got a number. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
'I wonder if the others had any more success. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
'Is that Vas over there with a potential date?' | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
So over there, Vas has actually managed to pull someone, | 0:39:54 | 0:40:00 | |
and he's sat with them at a restaurant. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
That's peculiar. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
I don't think I'd be able to do that. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
And is that the... | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
Well, he's pulled, basically. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
'Beckster's class clearly helped Vas, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
'and I could see how teaching men to talk to women | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
'can help us treat girls more respectfully. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
'But I wanted to here if girls think | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
'random men approaching them in the street is OK or not.' | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
I'm guessing you guys get approached in the street? | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
I think when it does happen, it's mainly, like, builders and stuff. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
Yeah, just shouting things. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:30 | |
Shouting or whistles, and stuff like that, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
and that just really, really angers us. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
Do think it's a bit of a weird thing to do? | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
I just think it's nicer when people talk to you, like... | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Yeah, it's the approach. It's definitely the approach. It's like, you can just be genuine. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
Like, "Oh, hi, my name's so-and-so." You know? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
That's a lot... I think girls appreciate that more than | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
just a really cheesy, like, "Oh, I think you're fit." | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
'I, though, was having doubts about whether Beckster's classes | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
'were the kind of help my generation needs. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
'I wondered whether this approach was more likely | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
'to encourage sexist behaviour than end it.' | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
-Do you think it's in any way sexist, what we were doing? -No, not at all. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
What would you say to people who say it is sexist? | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
Well, I mean, obviously there are different people | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
teaching different things. We're teaching lifestyle, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
social skills and confidence. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
So I would say that whoever they're talking about are doing it wrong. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
Today I felt a little bit, sometimes, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
like I was kind of harassing women. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
Do you... In some way, do you kind of feel | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
a bit of a responsibility | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
-because of the fact that you teach this? -I think it's totally fine as long as you do it in the right way, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
you're respectful, you're not rude or crude, not hurting anyone's feelings | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
and not breaking the law, it's all good things. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
And they're all things we promote not to do. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
We always want to keep a clean, confident school. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
Meeting Beckster and the guys today, I have seen that there's a lot of it that's pretty harmless, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
actually, and on the positive side, he's just telling these guys about | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
a skill that they can learn to improve their life with | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
and appear more confident with. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
But if getting that skill comes at the expense | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
of harassing a woman on the street, then can that ever be a good thing? | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
'Helping men get the skills to safely navigate | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
'the minefield of sexism are Nick and Dave, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
'two Australians who set up the Good Lad Workshop | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
'to promote positive masculinity | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
'and help university sports teams become good lads. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
'I wanted to find out more, and I knew just the boys to take along - | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
'my hockey buddies from Cardiff.' | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
Basically this is a workshop for men, and for men like us. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
It's about talking about complex gender situations, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
and hopefully by thinking about things, we can actually examine | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
and improve the relationships we have with others. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
It's trying to encourage us as guys to, before we do things, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
to think about them, or think about the implications on others. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
So to start, we're just going to get some of the blood flowing | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
and do something hopefully very quick and fun. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
So how positive is actively supporting a male friend | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
going through a break-up? | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
How positive is a guy grabbing an unknown girl's arse in a club? | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
'As the session progressed, I was keen to get the guys' thoughts.' | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
Going in I was a little bit... | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
tedious, like, you said it was a lads' workshop. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
But when you actually saw the message behind it, it was quite cool. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
It kind of did hit home. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:16 | |
So the next one we call what to wear. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
You're getting along really well, and after a while, you lean in to kiss her, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
and she leans away, smiles, and at this stage, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
she sort of backs away, and she says, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:26 | |
"Sorry, I have a boyfriend." | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
Saying, "Oh, I've got a boyfriend," it's like a defence mechanism. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
Cos not many lads want the confrontation in the club. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
'I had a feeling the penny was beginning to drop.' | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Just being constantly aware that other people | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
are affected by your actions, and by saying certain things | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
in a certain way, you can have a really negative impact. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
All the women we have spoken to around the country say | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
there is nothing sexier than a guy | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
who is confident enough to ask for consent. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
You don't have to say, "Excuse me, can I have sex with you now?" | 0:43:56 | 0:44:00 | |
You can say, like, "Can I touch you there? Do you like that? | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
"What would you like me to do?" | 0:44:03 | 0:44:04 | |
Like, from today, you think, actually, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
my actions in the past could actually get me in trouble, | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
sort of thing. So you've got to lower that line. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
Like, I don't really want the consequence that could happen | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
from doing the actions I have been doing. I've got to take that step back | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
and really think logically about where I want to go in the future. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
Think, oh, just for one night out I could ruin my life. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
I could tell the guys were pretty sceptical this morning | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
about the Good Lad Workshop. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
They were really defensive at the start. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
You know, I could tell that they didn't think | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
they were the type of guy that was being described. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
And to be honest, to be able to come out and admit that, | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
and you know, to take that on the nose, | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
and really, truthfully actually want to change, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
cos I think they do - you know, that's a big thing. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
And I've got a lot of respect for that. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
'So far on my journey, I've heard only that it's men who are sexist. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
'I've come to Nottingham today to hear from someone | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
'who thinks quite the opposite. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
'Mike Buchanan believes it's a woman's world, run by feminists who hate men. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:15 | |
'He argues it's men, and not women, who've been getting a rough ride, | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
'and he's on the campaign trail for his political party, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
'called Justice For Men And Boys.' | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
I thought I'd better have a little bit of a look | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
at Mike's book before I met him. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:27 | |
So that's what I've done, and this is the cover of his book. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:32 | |
And I just want to read you a bit from chapter 5. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
"My theory is that many feminists are profoundly stupid | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
"as well as hateful, a theory that could be readily tested | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
"by arresting a number of them and forcing them, with the threat | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
"of denying them access to chocolate, to undertake IQ tests." | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
Doesn't sit on the fence, this Mike, does he? | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
-Is this Justice For Men And Boys? -It is, Tyger. Nice to meet you. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
-Mike Buchanan. -Nice to meet you. I'm Tyger. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
-Josh. -Hi, Josh. How you doing? -I'm good. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
-Ray. -Hi, Ray. How you doing? -Nice to see you. -Nice to see you too. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
So what's going on here, then? | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
Well, this is a political party, Justice For Men And Boys. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
We're here at Nottingham University, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
handing out leaflets and engaging with students | 0:46:12 | 0:46:14 | |
on the subject of men's human rights and the abuses of them. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
Can I give you a leaflet? Thank you very much. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:24 | |
I mean, feminism is a female supremacy movement | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
driven by misandry, the hatred of men. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
It's a vile ideology. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:32 | |
Gentlemen, good morning. I wonder if I could give you a leaflet. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
It's naturally assumed that women are better | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
and more willing to be parents. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
Josh is 18, only a year younger than me. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
I wanted to know why he had committed to the Justice For Men cause. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:46 | |
Do you think young men are in crisis at the moment? | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
Definitely. Now that we're acknowledging as a society | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
that women are just as good as men, just as equal as men, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
men don't have a place in the world that they once did. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
You know, a man who goes out to work used to be respected, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
cos he was looking after the household, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
but now we view that as unnecessary. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
Yeah, he's going out and working, but he should do that. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
But he doesn't need to do that, because the woman could go out and work anyway. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
And so men don't fit neatly into the little boxes they did. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
And with the... You know, we don't have as much manual labour jobs any more. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
We don't have as many calls to go to big wars like the Second World War. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
And all these things that men are uniquely biologically | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
and psychologically suited for, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:25 | |
that we once slotted nicely into - it's gone. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
So young men are lost, | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
and don't have the same guidance they once had from society. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
I mean, what is it you want? You want equality between genders? | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
I want full equality as far as is obviously reasonable. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
Everyone I've met on this journey, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
-the only thing that everyone wants... -Is equality. -..is equality. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
So surely - are you not fighting the wrong battle? | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
Maybe if you joined forces, you could all be much more powerful? | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
I would join forces in a heartbeat if I thought it was possible. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
'But today isn't a day that Justice For Men and feminists will join forces, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
'and it's not long before a group of angry students start arguing with | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
'Mike and Josh and making it quite clear that they're not welcome here.' | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
-Sorry? -Do you think this is acceptable? | 0:48:06 | 0:48:07 | |
-What, men's rights? -Yeah. -Yes, men's rights are... -Do you not think that the whole of society, | 0:48:07 | 0:48:12 | |
-the whole of the world, is organised toward men's rights? -No, I don't. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
And male privilege? In what sense can you possibly justify that? | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
-Well, I think you need to read our manifesto. -I've read it. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
Well, we have 20 areas where men's... | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
-The human rights of men and boys are assaulted. There isn't one... -Assaulted?! -Yes. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
Basically I object to the reinforcement | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
that only men can help men, I suppose. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
It seems... | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
It's Justice For Men And Boys And The Women Who Love Them. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
We're not opposed to having female supporters. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
-Women-hating fascists. -We're not. -Fuck off. -We're nothing of the sort. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
-You should fuck off away from our uni. -We're not going to. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
What do you think you've got to do in any place, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:46 | |
bashing on women further than what they have over the centuries? | 0:48:46 | 0:48:49 | |
-Why is the male suicide rate... -You have no place! -Why is the male suicide rate... | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
OK, so basically, it's all just gone a bit pear-shaped. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:56 | |
People over there, they're objecting | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
to Justice For Men's message. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
They don't want to be filmed. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
Believe it or not, it's actually calmed down a bit. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
There was a lot more people there a minute ago, | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
and it was a bit uncomfortable, to be honest. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:10 | |
So that's why I've kind of brought myself over here to the side. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:14 | |
Moments later, one protester feels so strongly | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
about Mike's anti-women views, they threw cat litter all over his van. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
Luckily, Ray is on hand to check the consistency. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:25 | |
Mike and his group genuinely feel very hard done by women, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
but all the women that I've met have shocked me with stories | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
of spiked drinks and groping and revenge porn, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
which just makes Mike's extreme views seem really warped. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
Now, Mike is unashamedly anti-feminist, | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
and although I don't really want to say I share a view with him, | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
I kind of have always been a bit wary of feminists myself. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:49 | |
And it seems I'm not alone in finding feminists can divide opinion. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:54 | |
-Lesbians. -HE LAUGHS | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
No, I mean, they do seem to be more, like, stern | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
and dress suited and booted. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
She don't care what other people think of her. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
It's a very powerful women, a feminist. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
They've got a big ego. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:08 | |
Someone that walks around full of themselves. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
Someone that love themselves a lot. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
I'd say just someone who pretty much takes charge, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
someone who gives their views and is not afraid to hold back. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
Now, feminism is one of those things | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
that I've never really completely got, because I mean, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:35 | |
in my mind, women and men are equal already, you know? | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
And from my personal experience, the feminists that I've met | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
in the past are just a bit sensitive, you know? | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
You can't really say anything to them without them | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
just kind of hating on men. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:49 | |
'So I've come to Manchester to face my own prejudice | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
'and hear what some young feminists have to say, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
'and take part myself in a march organised by students.' | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
Hiya. Is there anyone called Jess here? | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
-Yeah, hi. -Hi! -Tyger, is it? | 0:51:03 | 0:51:04 | |
-Yes, it is. -Hi, I'm Jess, the women's officer. Nice to meet you. -Cool. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
-Are you here to help out with some banner making? -Yeah. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
Yeah, sure. What would you like me to do? | 0:51:10 | 0:51:12 | |
I mean, what is all this? | 0:51:19 | 0:51:20 | |
-So right now, we're painting one of the banners that's going to be used in the march later tonight. -OK. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:25 | |
-Do you know anything about the march? -No. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:27 | |
OK, so the march is called Reclaim The Night, | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
and the idea behind it is that girls shouldn't have to feel worried | 0:51:29 | 0:51:34 | |
about what they're wearing or if they've been drinking | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
or who they're with or what time it is when they're out at night. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
They shouldn't have to be scared about being raped or attacked. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
So this march is about reclaiming the night, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
and women really sort of owning the streets | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
and challenging the idea that being raped or assaulted | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
is their fault, and that it's down to any of these things, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
like flirting or alcohol or skirts. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:55 | |
So that's basically what the march tonight is about. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:58 | |
I'm obviously a guy, and not often do I go on feminist marches, | 0:51:58 | 0:52:03 | |
so do you think anyone is going to think I am a bit of a fake? | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
No. I think... To be honest, there is a mixed bloc, | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
so you're not going to be the only guy there. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
And the last thing we want is to have that kind of segregation | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
between men and women, and everything. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
So it's much better to have a more group majority | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
and get everybody involved to sort of all stand as one, | 0:52:19 | 0:52:23 | |
instead of having, like, girls against guys. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
'Some of the girls I met at the banner making | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
'have invited me over for a pre-march party.' | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
Right, so apparently, part of this Reclaim The Night march, | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
a big part of it, is that everyone, like, neon paints up. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
So I'd better get stuck in, I guess. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
The girls have told me that the reason they do this | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
is so that they make themselves as visible as possible. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
I think I'm probably visible enough. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
LAUGHTER Oh, my God, look at your faces! | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
'OK, so I might have overdone the zinc.' | 0:53:26 | 0:53:28 | |
-Going for a bit of a decorative look, but... -I thought we were lighting up the streets! | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
You definitely are lighting up the streets! | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:53:34 | 0:53:35 | |
It looks good. It's feminism! | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
Nice one. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
-CHANTING: -What do we want? -Safe streets! | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
'2,000 men and women are marching to make the streets a safer place | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
'by reclaiming the night.' | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
-Safe streets! -When do want it? -Now! | 0:53:49 | 0:53:51 | |
-What do we want? -Safe streets! | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
This is a lot of fun, actually. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
Not that I didn't think it would be, but yeah, | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
everyone's having a really good time. We're born equal, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
and I need to get chanting! | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
Our streets! | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
-Our streets! -Whose streets? -Our streets! | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
'Most women do feel afraid outside after dark. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
'A recent survey found that 95% of women | 0:54:15 | 0:54:17 | |
'don't feel safe on the streets, and with good reason. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
'Last year in the Greater Manchester area, | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
'there were 6,372 reported violent attacks on women and girls.' | 0:54:23 | 0:54:27 | |
Like, my initial view on feminism, | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
because I'd never really looked into it, | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
was that it was just kind of man-bashing. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
But actually, after talking to you guys, it's really... | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
That's not it at all. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
-Yeah. And it's been broken in me, I have to say. -That's good. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
No, yeah. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:01 | |
'Emma Watson was right in the speech I saw the start of this film. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
'I've learned that sexism is a male issue too. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
'Apathy and sitting on the fence are no longer an option. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
'A tipping point has been reached, | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
'and it's time for guys to show their support.' | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
I have to say, when I first started this journey, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
I didn't really think that sexism was much of a problem for my generation. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:29 | |
But then, I suppose, pretty quickly, | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
when I met the girls in Cardiff, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
my opinion did start to change, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
and then since then, I really have learned that, actually, sexism - | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
it is a really big part of so many girls' everyday lives. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
'And sexist behaviour doesn't just manifest itself | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
'in fear and intimidation for the women. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
'It also makes us men look really, really bad.' | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
I think the thing is, men just don't think enough | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
about their behaviour and their actions, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
and actually how that really can potentially devastate a woman. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:10 | |
And we can all think about our actions | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
and all think about the language we use, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
and I've learnt that we need to stand up and be that guy | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
who says to his mates, you know, | 0:56:18 | 0:56:20 | |
"That's not actually all right to say to a woman." | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
And I've learnt that we can all do things better. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
CHANTING | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
Honestly, I would never have thought of myself as someone | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
who would come to a feminist march, but now look at me. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
Anyway, I think I've got to go back. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
CHEERING Yes! | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 |