Danielle and Mollie Underage and Pregnant


Danielle and Mollie

Danielle hoped to follow in the footsteps of her father, a professional wrestler. But at 15 her plans were put on hold as she fell pregnant. How will she cope?


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I'm 16 and I'm 36 weeks pregnant.

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I was really shocked.

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Sort of didn't know what to do at first.

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I was focusing on my wrestling

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and that was not even on my mind, let alone in the back of my mind.

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I can't wait until this part of it is over.

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I just want to get on with it now and be a mum

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so I can get back to being me.

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16 year-old Danielle is due to have a little girl in just four weeks.

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She lives with her mum, Sarah, and gran, Jenny, in Norfolk.

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Well, obviously, I'm looking forward to it.

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She better not be like her mother!

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What do you mean? What's wrong with me?

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You used to cry!

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Every baby cries!

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-Not like you two did.

-You're never happy, are you?

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I lost my virginity, when I was, just before I turned 14.

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I then fell pregnant when I was 15.

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It was a complete accident, me getting pregnant.

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I was on the pill and had not missed one pill.

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15 is far from an ideal age to have children.

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It's very, very strange looking at your daughter and thinking

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"My word, she's got a little one in there."

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I was disappointed cos I thought she's never going to have, well,

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not a teenager's life, is she? Because of the baby.

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Danielle didn't have her dad in her life until she was 12,

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when mum Sarah revealed who he was.

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CROWD BOOS AND JEERS

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Professional wrestler, Karl "The Barbarian" Kramer.

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It wasn't until, I think it must have been, four or five years ago

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and that's when I told them both, that he was her dad.

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He didn't know either.

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It was a shock for her as much as it was me,

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one, for her to find out who I was

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and for me to find out who she was.

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And ever since then, we've been really, really close.

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Before she got pregnant

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Danielle had already left school without her GCSEs,

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and has now decided to follow in her dad's footsteps.

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I've been doing it for about four years now,

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minus the break of me being pregnant.

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But I am hoping to go back to it.

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Her dad wasn't pleased that her career was going to be on hold for a baby.

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It's a stupid age to have a kid, in my eyes.

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You haven't seen life, you haven't been nowhere, or done nothing.

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She was doing well, just starting to get out onto the circuit.

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Now she's back at the bottom again, and she has to work her way back up.

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Danielle might not be able to wrestle

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but she's still going every week with her mum, who MCs the matches.

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This is going to be a last man standing match.

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She's desperate to get back in the ring

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and has set a goal of two months after the birth.

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I'm feeling pretty sick at the moment, to be honest,

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getting a bit tired of being pregnant and,

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and watching all of this doesn't really help much.

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One, two...

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No. Come on, you have to...

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16 year-old students Mollie and Ross have been parents for exactly a year.

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She's cleverer than us...

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Daughter Ebonie was one last week. She's now teething and has a virus.

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It will make you feel better.

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EBONIE CRIES AND GRIZZLES

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At 15, Mollie had been seeing Ross for eight months

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when she fell pregnant.

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It wasn't my choice to be pregnant,

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it was a fail of contraception, I was actually on the pill.

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I don't understand what went wrong with it,

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I didn't miss anything, nothing. It just doesn't make sense.

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Ross reacted better than I thought.

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I thought he was going to run away from the pregnancy

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but he didn't. He stuck by me and he always has.

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When I found out Mollie was pregnant, initially I was scared

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for what my parents would think, rather than myself.

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Six months after her daughter gave birth,

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Mollie's 33 year-old mum and her boyfriend discovered

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they, too, were having a baby.

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Peter and I, we'd been trying for a baby for three-and-a-half years.

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We found out Mollie was pregnant and it sort of threw us both

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because we were meant have the baby, not my baby having a baby!

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It is very, very strange. I've had a lot of comments.

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People teasing me, "Oh, you're a granddad before you're a dad."

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One minute she was playing with dollies and the next she's got a real baby.

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It was just such a shock.

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Your worst nightmare come true.

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I was 16 when I had Mollie.

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That's how I knew what she would be going through.

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With another baby on the way

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and all of them living in a two-bedroom house,

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it was decided that Mollie would move out.

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I live in assisted housing with Ebonie.

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It's a one bedroom flat.

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And it's just till I'm on my feet.

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Ross lives with his dad.

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We decided that because we're only young we didn't want to move in

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with each other just yet as it would put a strain on our relationship even more.

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Living with Mollie and Ebonie isn't the most important thing right now

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because we think it's good that if I need to get away for any reason,

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it's good that I can go and have time on my own,

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and I don't feel trapped here.

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Spend some time with my friends, without Ebonie.

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It is quite lonely, when I am left on my own.

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I think I would like Ross to move in with me in the future.

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Urgh, thanks Ebs!

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It's OK!

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But living away from her mum AND her boyfriend

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is often a struggle for Mollie.

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Part of me would like to be back at home with my mum,

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because of the extra hands and help, when things get really hard,

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especially when Ebonie is ill, but you get by and you do it.

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Shall we just take this off?

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Take this off?

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Danielle is expecting her baby in just three weeks.

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She might not be able to wrestle herself

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but she's come along to watch as usual.

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Fighting tonight is the father of her child.

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Alex Young!

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CHEERING

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BELL RINGS

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Today's wrestling, round one!

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Danielle met Alex two years ago, when she was 14 and he was 16.

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But the relationship ended when Danielle was six months pregnant.

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Because of being pregnant, the break-up messed me up a lot more

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than I think it would have done if I wasn't pregnant.

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It was the immediate thought of,

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"I'm going to be left on my own, what am I going to do?"

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But we both decided that we were still going to be friends.

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He still wanted to be in the baby's life.

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I said that was absolutely fine.

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We're good friends and everything, we still talk,

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every now and then we'll text each other and have a phone call,

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just see how things are going and stuff, so we still stay in contact.

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I'm going to be there, I'm not worried about it or anything.

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Danielle has moved on since the split.

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Also on the bill tonight is her new boyfriend.

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MUSIC PLAYS

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23-year-old Scott, AKA Fusion.

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I've known him for, well, since I started, so that's about four years.

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He is quite a bit older. I mean, he's 23.

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I was just surprised that another man

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would want to go out with somebody who was eight months pregnant.

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But he's a nice chap though.

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He does know the father of the baby.

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They are quite good friends, funnily enough.

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I was absolutely fine with it.

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I knew me and Danielle wouldn't get back together.

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I was trying to get on with my life

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and glad to see she was trying to get on with hers.

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He's a nice guy and everything, so I'm happy for them.

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He was one of the first two people, other than her father,

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that I wanted to discuss the relationship with.

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He said that if Danielle was to be with anybody else

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within the wrestling company, he'd rather it be me

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because he knows he can trust me and I'm not going to mess around when it comes to his child.

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I'm just going to be there solely for Danielle, but also for the baby as well.

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But with Alex being as close to us as he is,

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I can't really see there being much of an issue.

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In Hertfordshire, 16-year-old Mollie has been living alone with daughter Ebonie for two months.

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Boyfriend Ross still lives with his dad

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but spends a lot of time at Mollie's flat, as does his best friend Matt.

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Ross can be very immature, especially when he's with Matt.

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They have their boyish ways of being boys.

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I do not like computer games, they're horrible.

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They're mind-controlling.

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I do get a little bit annoyed when he plays computer games,

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but the rule is he's only allowed to play computer games when Ebonie is in bed.

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Mollie finds the computer games the hardest thing to compete with.

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She's forever messaging me, "I'm bored."

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Ross is allowed to be a proper teenager.

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I don't think I've ever been a proper teenager.

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I'd say I was possibly born to be a mum.

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She might be a natural mum, but she also wants a career.

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Mollie got nine GCSE's while she was pregnant.

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A future for me is really important because I've got to not only think about me

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but think about Ebonie, which is why I decided to go to college

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and study health and social care

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because I'd like to become a midwife.

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What's Mummy going to do today? Mummy's going to go to college.

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Right, see you later.

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Both Mollie and Ross are in full-time education

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so Mollie's mum Tracey helps out with the childcare.

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Juggling my studying with Ebonie is OK,

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but if she's had a sleepless night, cos I've got to get up at seven,

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if she's had me up for an hour every other hour,

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it's sort of, you come in and you're really tired and you don't feel like learning.

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And that's the time when you want to switch your alarm off

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and pretend you don't have to get up,

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but really you have to get on with it.

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Mollie, your reasons for being a midwife?

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I guess when I was in labour, there wasn't a very nice midwife

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and I thought it was a bit weird her being a midwife if she's not going to be nice to people.

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So you'd like to make sure everyone had a friendly midwife?

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That's a good reason.

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If I don't pass, I'll feel I've not only failed me but Ebonie as well,

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because I think it's important for me to do something

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that can provide her for her future as well as mine.

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Juggling college four days a week with looking after a teething Ebonie

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leaves hardly any alone time for the teenage couple.

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I don't think we're as romantic as we used to be.

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They should spend more time together as a couple,

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and I've always said, it's so important for you two to just to be you two

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and to be teenagers.

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Do you want your bottle?

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There's so much time taken up by looking after Ebonie,

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we've got to make sure we make time for each other and stop being Mum and Dad,

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otherwise it'll just start to ruin things.

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In Norfolk, 16-year-old Danielle is now a mum.

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She gave birth to daughter Gracie two weeks ago.

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BABY SNEEZES

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She was seven pounds two ounces when she was born.

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She has been really good so far, actually, she only wakes up

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once or twice in the night and she's not really a crier, to be honest.

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It's tiring, really tiring, but I wouldn't swap it for the world now.

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She's definitely got my nose and my mouth.

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Up from her nose to her eyes and the way her face is,

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I think she definitely looks like Alex.

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I couldn't be more proud of the way Danielle coped with everything.

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She did a lot better than I did, and she's still doing really well.

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Danielle's old wrestling partner, Alice,

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is here for the first sleepover since the baby arrived.

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-What have you been doing this week?

-What have I been doing?

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I've not really been doing that much. Looking after a baby and that's about it.

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When I was breast-feeding her I tried my breast milk.

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I can't help it, I wanted to know how it tasted! It just tastes like sweet normal milk.

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And it was actually quite nice, I could actually drink that.

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"Happily drink my breast milk, you know."

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Know what? After I tried it I was like, "Wow. I don't blame you for liking boobs."

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With the birth behind her, Danielle is now focusing on getting back in the ring.

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Dan, when are you coming back to wrestling?

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I'll aim to come back mid-February and just see how it goes.

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I'm a bit nervous about it cos obviously I need to

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get my body used to it again, because you don't naturally

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throw yourself back and hurt yourself, do you?

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It's not a natural thing to do, so I have to get used to doing it again.

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She's a really good wrestler. Like, I look up to her for wrestling

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cos she's a big influence on me in wrestling. She's a natural at it.

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I think now she's a terrific mum and I think it's good that she wants

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to carry on wrestling as well. She hasn't just given up.

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I think I'm actually really proud of her,

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how she's done and everything.

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Back in Hertfordshire, Mollie has gone to visit

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her 18-year-old friend Marissa, who was also a mum at 15.

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Are you playing?

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After just half an hour together, Ebonie's teething takes its toll.

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BABY CRIES

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Hey, look at Mummy, look at Mummy. Stop, stop.

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Ebonie doesn't sleep through the night

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since her teeth have started coming up, so at night-time

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she wakes up three to four times for her bottle, and if I don't

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give her her bottle she'll scream and scream and scream and scream.

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BABY CRIES

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BABY CONTINUES TO CRY

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After battling to get Ebonie to sleep for three-and-a-half hours,

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Mollie gives up.

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Hey...

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What's with that racket?

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I feel sorry for you having to put up with that and go to college.

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Yeah, it's difficult. You're just a terror.

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Ross and friend Matt arrive and take Ebonie home

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so Mollie can spend time with her friend,

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something Ross has been trying to do more of lately.

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Be good for Dada.

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That's a no. See ya, Mollie.

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Have fun!

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Back at Mollie's flat, the boys are home alone with Ebonie.

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-Ross?

-Yeah.

-You know what you should do?

-What?

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-Big pile of washing.

-Er, no.

-Why?

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Cos that's not my job.

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Come on then, what are we going to make?

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-Feeling like a dad?

-I don't know.

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Not really. It's still a bit surreal.

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-Mum.

-Ma-ma-Mum is not here, Ebonie, I'm afraid.

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-You have Matt and Ross.

-Matt and Dad.

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Ross to me. Matt and Dad, then, there you go.

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When you're talking to her you have to refer to me as Dad.

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Ross is a good dad. I mean, he does a lot more things around the house,

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looks after Ebonie, whereas before he didn't do anything really much.

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He's changed a lot.

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Good girl. None of my friends have kids

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and I haven't made any friends through having Ebonie that have children.

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And I often find it difficult to make new friends.

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I feel...

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kind of like I've jumped ahead of everyone and left everyone else behind me.

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At first, it caused quite a bit of trouble between me and my friends, but a lot of the real friends,

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we got over it and they've learned to live with the fact that I'm a parent now

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and not some silly little teenager.

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Is that baby?

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While Ross is becoming a hands-on dad, in Norfolk,

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new dad Alex isn't finding that so easy.

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His daughter is two-weeks-old and he's only seen her twice since the birth.

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-If you need to switch your grip tell me, dude.

-It's all right, I'm good now.

-OK.

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I'm missing a lot of things, yeah, like her baths and everything.

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I haven't bathed her, I've never fed her,

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The most I've done for her is cuddle her and change her bum.

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That's the most I've done for her, to be honest.

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So, yeah, I feel like I'm missing a lot of things.

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Alex lives an hour away

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and travelling between the two is difficult for him and Danielle.

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We're having quite a few problems

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in being able to see each other's point of view.

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I think Alex ideally wants for me to take her to him.

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I think I'm just going to have to take it as it comes

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and keep in mind that she's the most important thing.

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She's in Danielle's care, to be honest, so basically I have to

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sort of do what she tells me and try to abide by her rules,

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which I don't like.

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Yeah, I really do wish I had waited for maybe somebody, like,

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who I knew I was going to be in a relationship with and stuff,

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but obviously things don't always work out the way you want them to.

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Alex is in training for a big wrestling match tomorrow night.

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But this is no ordinary fight.

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His opponent is Danielle's boyfriend, Scott.

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Hopefully I'm going to walk out champion.

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-That's what I'm hoping anyway.

-I'm just hoping you walk out, mate.

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Since relations have deteriorated between Alex and Danielle,

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things between Alex and Scott have also gone downhill.

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He is now with the mother of your child,

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so you're always going to be a part of her life.

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You're telling me that's not going to grate on him?

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Probably does. Still, hopefully things'll be sorted between me and him.

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We can hope.

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It's the night of the big fight.

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Danielle watches from the sidelines as her ex and current boyfriends battle it out in the ring.

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Both wrestlers, out of control. This is now a no-contest!

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We want more! We want more! We want more!

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The referee has stopped the fight and declared it a no-contest,

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making nobody a winner.

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'I was, sort of a little bit apprehensive as to what was going to happen.'

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I think it was a fair match for a good ten minutes.

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And then I think it went a bit sort of skew-whiff.

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I don't know, what that's got to do with...

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Maybe it's unfinished business. Maybe it's something to do with me.

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They might've taken personal differences into the ring,

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or maybe they just got a bit too carried away.

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Ebonie, say, "I love my mummy."

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While things remain tricky for Danielle,

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life for Mollie and Ross is looking a lot more settled.

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Fatherhood's good. It's becoming challenging as Ebonie gets older but still enjoying it.

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I'm at Mollie's pretty much all the time.

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The priority now is my family. It's about me, Mollie and Ebonie,

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and they come first.

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-Who's idea was it to get her ice-cream?

-Yum yum!

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I'm a lot more happier now. I'm happy with where we're headed.

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Hello! Is it silly?

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I do think we're closer, me and Ross, now.

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We recently went to the cinema and a concert together,

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and it made us feel closer as a couple because we haven't really done it for ages.

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I think that was the first proper night we've been out since we've had her.

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But it felt quite nice to just have a little break

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and just be us for a little while.

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It feels like spring.

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Since me and Ross first got together, I think I love him more than I first did,

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because we've come so far and been through so much.

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I do feel proud and happy that we are still together

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because when people say, "Does she see her dad?",

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I'm like, "Yeah, she lives with her dad, pretty much."

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They look at me, thinking, "Really?" I'm like, "We've been together for three years,"

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and they're like, "What?". I'm like, "Yeah."

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He's got a toothbrush, a deodorant and a shower gel,

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which is in the bathroom, and obviously his PlayStation.

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And his best friend, who lives here, practically.

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Yeah, pretty much!

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I'd to think we break the mould of stereotypical teen parents.

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It's quite a horrible stereotype to be put into.

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I want to prove everyone wrong, that I'm not the mess-up that's going to ruin my child's life,

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and I think that stereotype helps to aspire me to be a good parent,

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because that's the last thing I want to be.

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Yeah, I'm glad I stuck around and I didn't run away.

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If I hadn't stuck around I wouldn't have been able to watch my little girl grow up.

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And it means a lot to me.

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Boo!

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Back in Norfolk, Danielle's wrestling career has been on hold for a year,

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but with the baby now two-months-old she's ready to get back in the ring for the first time.

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I'm pretty nervous about it. I've been training all weekend

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to get my body used to it again, and that's gone really well.

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So I'm hoping that tonight's going to go really well.

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I haven't tried my wrestling gear on yet because I've been a little bit too afraid to.

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I thought if I leave it until THE night, I've got no choice but to go out there!

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-Do you want to see some wrestling?

-Yeah!

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Let's get this show on the road!

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CHEERING

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Getting back in the ring has made her think about how to juggle her career as a wrestler with Gracie.

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Wrestling is most definitely what I want to do.

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Gracie will affect my career in terms of going abroad,

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but that is something I knew would happen and I went into with open eyes.

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I am happy to wrestle in Norwich for the rest of my life.

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I'm that addicted to it, I'd wrestle in the same show,

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in the same match every night if I had to, because that is what I want to do.

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After a successful night's wrestling, Danielle is back in her role as a mum,

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and boyfriend Scott is by her side.

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Before we were together when I knew you,

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I wouldn't have been able to see you sat there with a baby.

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You're pretty serious-looking and you're quiet.

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To everybody else, not to me.

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It's just a little bit strange at times obviously cos I'm not her real father.

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I do what I can with what I'm able to, I think's the best way to describe it.

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Even though she's not mine, she still needs that figure

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of a second, not parent, but stable individual in her life

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when Alex isn't around.

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Things between Alex and Danielle haven't improved.

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He put himself in the situation where he had a child on the way

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and he left.

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I'll never forgive him, for leaving me, for leaving her.

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Still, even though I don't have any feelings for him any more,

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it still sort of makes me tear up a bit just because...

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I used to think, when I have kids I wanted them to be

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in a stable home with stable parents who'd get on,

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and she will now never have that.

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I never had that.

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She won't have what the majority of other kids around her will have,

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which is what I will always be apologising to her for.

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But Scott's amazing with Gracie. He loves her to pieces.

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He doesn't call himself Dad but he's there for her,

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and that's all I'd want from a partner.

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I wouldn't want her to be under anyone else's care but mine and his,

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and Scott is now one of the only people I can really be myself with.

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Obviously, having Gracie has changed me quite a bit

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but I wouldn't have it any other way.

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Next time, we meet 16-year-old Amy from Plymouth.

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So you're just going to leave me? Huh?!

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They'll never be good for each other.

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Everything I do for him, he just throws it back in my face.

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I just can't do it anymore.

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And Naomi from Derbyshire.

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It's my mistake but a good mistake.

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I'm happy.

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At 12 Danielle discovered the identity of her father, professional wrestler Karl 'the Barbarian' Kramer, and decided she wanted to follow in his footsteps. But aged 15 her wrestling career plans were forced on hold when she discovered she was pregnant. The baby's father is 18 year old fellow wrestler Alex and though the couple are no longer together he's determined to be in his baby's life. Danielle's new boyfriend Scott 'Fusion' is also a pro-wrestler and a close friend of Alex and they are facing each other in the wrestling ring. How will the men in Danielle's life cope when the baby arrives? Will Danielle's career break jeopardise her wrestling future or will she, as planned, be back in the ring just weeks after the baby is born?

Mollie is 16 and mum to one year old Ebonie. She was 15 when she fell pregnant unexpectedly. Dad, Ross, is finding fatherhood strange but is taking it in his stride. Their relationship is a different matter as the young couple find it difficult to find time to spend together. Mollie and Ross both attend college full time - they want to have successful careers to provide for Ebonie. Will Mollie and Ross be able to reignite their relationship or will the practicalities of parenthood and studying leave no room for romance?


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