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Brooke Shields is one of Hollywood's leading actresses. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
She found fame at a young age, starring in The Blue Lagoon, when she was only 14. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
Since then, she's had a successful film, television and modelling career, spanning four decades. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:22 | |
I'm at the time in my life right now where I'm ready | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
to really delve into my past. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
I know very little about my family. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
My mother never really talked about her side of the family that much. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
And I know very little about my father's side of the family. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
I've heard they are royalty. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:39 | |
I don't know how far back that exotic side goes, or even if it's true. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:45 | |
And I'm just ready to really find out the...nitty-gritty of where I came from. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:52 | |
Brooke Shields was born in New York in 1965. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
Whenever anybody says, "Where are you from?" | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
I immediately say, "New York." | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
I'm a New Yorker. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
She still lives in New York City with her husband Chris | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
and their daughters Rowan and Grier. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
We've, um, been lucky enough to build a great family life here in the city. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
But growing up for me, things were very different. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
Although I was close to both of my parents, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
they were divorced by the time I was five months old. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
My dad Frank remarried and eventually moved to Florida. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
He died in 2003. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
I basically grew up with my mom Teri | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
who had dabbled in modelling herself. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
And she got me into the business by the time I was just 11 months old. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
The modelling led to movies and television and theatre. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
My parents could not be more different. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
They were the antithesis of one another. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
On one side, my dad, there was aristocracy | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
and sort of old money and Park Avenue. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
And then my mom's side, which was working class | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
and saving every dime and not spending anything. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
There was a difference between the two and I never knew where I belonged. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
Until recently, I hadn't thought of exploring my family history. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
But then, suddenly, everything was put into perspective. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
I've been alone all my life, in a way. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
I've sort of been this singular person, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
you know, with my mom, but my parents were divorced. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
When 9/11 happened, I was on Broadway, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
performing in Cabaret. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:57 | |
So there was that career part of me | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
and the, sort of, the ambition, and I didn't want to admit | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
that anything existed before me. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
The whole world started when I came here. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
And all of a sudden, everything came to a halt. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
So many families lost everything. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
I just thought, "My God." | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
I was brought out of myself | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
and that made me really think about blood being thicker than water, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
something I never wanted to believe. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
All of a sudden, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
I was keenly aware of what I wanted to learn | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
about who I was. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
I'm now about to go on this journey | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
to find out where I came from. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
And it's a little scary. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
My dad passed away. My mom's not well enough now | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
for me to discuss any of this with her. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
So, the person I always go to is my best friend Lisa. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
We basically grew up together. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
She's really truly like my family - | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
my "go to person", when I'm doing something important in my life. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
So, there's my dad and my mum | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
with me individually. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
-Are your parents still together in that picture? -No. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
They're divorced. Divorced. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
-That could have been your weekend with either one and... -Yeah. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
-It could have been the same weekend. -The drop-off in the parking lot! -That was! | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
Which side of the family do you identify with? | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
It is so, as this picture, spilt down the middle. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
And I'll go into one and I'll think, "I don't fit in here. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
"I have to go back to the other one." | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
I'll go in here, "I don't fit in here, they don't understand me." | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
All my life I have flip-flopped, so I can't answer as to which one. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
It used to frustrate the hell out of me. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
(Wow!) | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
There it is. My mother and her mother. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
-You know how I feel about my grandmother. -Yes. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
I can't say that I'm a fan. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
My grandmother was so mad, I think, that her husband died. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
-And never got over it. -Never got over it. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
I had such resentment for her. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
I just... I hated her. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
And why? Because I saw the way she would treat my mom. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
Just snide remarks all the time. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
And she never would want to give my mom credit. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
You couldn't so much as say, "Boo" to my mother and I'd want to kill you. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
-You know that. -Yeah. -You've seen it. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
So, there was this, sort of, fierce protection of my mother. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
I think my grandmother was horrible to my mother | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
and I started disliking her at a very young age. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
And the stronger the bond with my mother became, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
the more I resented her mother. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
My mom wanted a different life. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
The minute she could, she left Newark. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
That was something my grandmother never could do. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
My sympathy for my grandmother, my empathy, has always been sort of tainted | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
by, "But how could you treat Mom like this?" | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
I don't like having that feeling in my heart, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
of just...of just bitterness. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
And I wonder if knowing anything about where she came from would help me understand | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
how that affected my mother. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
I'm leaving New York, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:38 | |
which I never really do in my heart. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
I want to find out more about my grandmother's... | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
life and her family. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
So I'm on my way to New Jersey. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
I haven't been back for a long time. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
My early connection with New Jersey, I've blanked out. If you ask me about New Jersey, I'll just say, | 0:06:57 | 0:07:03 | |
"I went to college in New Jersey." | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
I was a French Literature major. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
I have replaced all memories of New Jersey with my education. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:13 | |
I don't know anything about my grandmother's life, her family, her parents. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
I just, I want to like my grandmother. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:24 | |
What made her the type of person | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
who gets bitter, and sad, and afraid, and not... | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
you know, what was in her character that came from her...upbringing? | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
All I know about my grandmother is that | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
she had a sister, Lillian. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
Brooke's grandmother Theresa Dollinger | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
was born in 1908, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
and Theresa's sister Lillian in 1915. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
Brooke's come to the New Jersey State Archive | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
to meet genealogy expert, Michelle Chubenko. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
They're looking for the birth certificates of Theresa and Lillian. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
All right. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
I'm hoping they might give me some clues | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
about my grandmother's early life. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
-Oh. -Oh. Doll... | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
Ooh, ooh, ooh, wait, wait. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
Theresa. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
My grandmother's birth certificate doesn't tell me much. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
All it really tells me is that her mom's name is Ida | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
and she was born in Newark like my mom. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
But what about her sister Lillian's birth certificate? | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
Um, so Lillian Elizabeth Dollinger. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
Born the 26th of September, 1915. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
Wait. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
Number of children in all by this marriage, four? | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
So...my grandmother had three siblings. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:50 | |
Which just... | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
I've only known her to have one sibling. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
I'm just in shock that there were two more siblings. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
I've never heard of these other brothers or sisters before. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
But Michelle has found their birth certificates. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
So John... | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
There was a John William Dollinger. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
OK, so that's John. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
So there was a girl, a boy, a girl. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
OK, but you're gonna need to make room between these two because | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
there's an Edward William. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
-Edward. -Mm-hmm. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
Number of children living... two. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
Mm-hmm. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
So we know she's alive, so he had to have died. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
Brooke now knows her grandmother, Theresa had two brothers. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
John died in infancy when Theresa was only two, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
so she probably didn't remember him. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
But what happened to Edward? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
And now there's this boy, this second boy, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
Edward William Dollinger, younger than my grandmother. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
But doesn't seem to die because | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
by the time we get to Lillian, the numbers still make sense. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
Mm-hmm. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
OK. I want to know Edward now. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
I want to know this guy. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
I want to find out more. SHE LAUGHS | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
I want to get in there now, I want to... | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
This is... It's just, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
you feel like you're a detective of some kind. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
Brooke's on her way to Newark, New Jersey, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
where her grandmother was born and raised. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
Theresa's family, the Dollingers, were German immigrants, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
who came to America in the mid-19th century. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Brooke hopes that Newark historian Tom McCabe can explain more about this immigrant neighbourhood. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:50 | |
There's been a lot of jokes about Newark over the years | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
and one of them is, what's the best view of Newark? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
The one you get in your rear-view mirror when you drive away. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
SHE LAUGHS Oh, no! | 0:11:00 | 0:11:01 | |
I think one of the great views of Newark is just down here, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
this is Ferry Street - the spine, the nerve centre of this immigrant neighbourhood. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
I found this picture from 1910, which, as you can see... | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
This is the same view! I love that! | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
At this time, very much a German influence - Slazenger Shoes. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
You have some Italian influence in this picture as well. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
So all sorts of new immigrants came into this neighbourhood to try to establish themselves first. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:33 | |
Em, you had the Irish coming here, initially, followed by the Germans. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
Of course, the Dollingers would have been part of that immigration. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
This was taken in 1910. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
My grandmother... Where was my grandmother? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
At this time, just over your right shoulder - | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
she would have been living right over here, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
at the corner store. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:51 | |
-At Easy Pickins? -At Easy Pickins. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
-She was living at Easy Pickins? -Yes. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
So this is, er, you know, a streetscape | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
that she would have been very familiar with. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Oh, that's amazing. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
Two of her siblings were born across the street | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
here at 148 and a half. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
Uh, it is now the Banco Popular. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
Lillian and Edward were born right across the street. They moved around quite a bit... | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
Why would they have moved? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
They'll be moving, looking for the best rent out of necessity. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
Those at the lower part of the economic ladder will be the most vulnerable, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
most insecure and they'll have to move the most. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
So they would have packed up all their earthly belongings | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
and walked them down the stairs and down the block and moved to the next place, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
one step ahead of the rent or the landlord. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Right, right. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:38 | |
Tom has a map showing Newark at the time when Brooke's grandmother Theresa Dollinger was growing up. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:46 | |
I wanted to show you my favourite map of this city. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
-Wow! -It's from 1911. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
This highlighted portion is where we walked. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
We walked this portion, so here is giving you | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
these small, self-contained towns almost. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
So you have the Germans here and the Italians down there. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
You have these ethnic concentrations, so it's very much | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
a working-class city and you came here and settled with your own. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
And two out of every three Newarkers were either foreign-born | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
or the sons and daughters of immigrants, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
so it was very much an immigrants' city when the Dollingers were here. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
Two out of three? | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
It's an amazing... | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
I found something I wanted to share with you. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
I think it sums up your... | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
family's story quite well | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
and it's Philip Roth, Newark's great novelist, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
and he's talking about | 0:13:40 | 0:13:41 | |
immigrant America. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
It starts there. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:46 | |
"As a family, they still flew the flight of the immigrant rocket, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
"the upward, unbroken immigrant trajectory | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
"from slave-driven great-grandfather to self-driven grandfather | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
"to self-confident, accomplished, independent father | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
"to the highest high flier of them all, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
"the fourth-generation child for whom America was to be heaven itself." | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
Wow! | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
So that would be your heavenly existence, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
but built on the shoulders and the backs | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
of the Dollingers. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
I do get the feeling that the rules don't seem to apply in the same way to my generation. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:25 | |
We CAN pursue, basically, whatever we want. We're not confined to | 0:14:25 | 0:14:31 | |
just what's in our immediate vicinity. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
I agree with that. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
"The flight of the immigrant rocket." I love that! | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
I feel that immigrant rocket took off and...I'm the one that benefited. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:51 | |
I think that I never | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
really...looked at my history | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
as something that truly, deeply affected me. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Life here was ordinary. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Well, it... It's about as ordinary as it gets | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
and yet it feels extraordinary to me | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
because it was MY family. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
I grew up in a very different world | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
than my grandmother. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
I really am beginning to understand | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
how hard it must have been for her. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
Brooke's meeting Michelle Chubenko again, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
who's found more information about Theresa and her brother Edward. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
I did additional research, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
and I want to share those documents with you today. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
-OK. -This one may begin to answer some more of your questions about your grandmother. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:50 | |
OK. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
This is Ida's death certificate. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
So this was Theresa's mom. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
Date of death, January 12, 1919? | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
-Yes. -She died at 38. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
She died of cancer. Uterine cancer. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
Uterine cancer. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:06 | |
At 38. God. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
So my grandmother lost her mother when she was... | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
-Ten. -Ten | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
-That'll do it. -That'll do it. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
My grandmother then really did have to be a parent to... | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
To her younger sibling. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:23 | |
From the time that she was... | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
that my grandmother was a little kid, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
she had to be an adult. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Yeah. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:30 | |
Really be an adult. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
So I do have one more document for you. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
We have a certificate of death for Edward. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
This is him. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
Accidental drowning while she was taking care of him, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
presumably, where she was... There was no mom. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
-There was no...yeah. -There was no mom. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
13 years old, one month, 15 days. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
Yes. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
Trade Profession - Schoolboy. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
Mm-hmm. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
That's...wow. My, my, my. OK. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
SHE CLEARS HER THROAT | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Her younger brother that she was a mother to | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
for eight years, basically. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
So it's like she lost a son as well as a brother. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
Yeah. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
Man, she didn't have it easy. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
This is deep loss. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
Your heart, then, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
just goes out...to her, you know? | 0:17:48 | 0:17:54 | |
Michelle gave me an article on Edward's drowning, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
so I've come to the very spot where the incident occurred. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
"The drowning of Edward Dollinger | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
"of 215 North 4th Street | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
"was attributed to the heat. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
"He and other boys, pupils of Lincoln school, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
"had gone in bathing in the Passaic River. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
"Dollinger could not swim. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
"As he was sinking, Joseph Weznick | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
"grabbed him, but lost his hold. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
"The body was recovered by the police | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
"near the scene of the drowning." | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
Loss after loss after loss, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
it takes a toll on, you know, your soul. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
I don't think she could have healed from all these wounds, one after the other. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
It's sad. It's really, really sad. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
I understand my grandmother now. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:22 | |
I understand how she could resent my mother. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
She was the oldest and she then | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
had to take care of the family. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
My mom was the oldest and she ran away. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
I have empathy for her and I... | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
and I don't mind having it. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Now that Brooke has found some answers about her mother's family, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
she's returned to New York to research her father Frank's | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
very different family history. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
My dad died in 2003, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
and we never really spoke much about his family history. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
So I don't really know much about his side of the family. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
I do know that they were aristocrats. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
I do know that his mother was named Marina Torlonia, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
and that supposedly is a big name in Rome. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
Some Italian...um, I don't know if it's nobility, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
I have no real idea. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
I've seen snippets of pictures, | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
but I really want to know how far they go back, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
and really where my father came from. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
Brooke has come to the New York Historical Society | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
to meet genealogist Gary Boyd Roberts. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
-Hi. -Hello, nice to meet you. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
He's prepared a family tree that traces the Torlonia line, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
back from her father's mother, Marina, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
to the most prominent Torlonia of all, Giovanni, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
an 18th century banker. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
This one is a banker to the Vatican. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
-Wow. -Like, say, the Rothschilds, or other European families, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:13 | |
they begin supplying kings with whatever's necessary | 0:21:13 | 0:21:19 | |
for wars or what have you. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:20 | |
How fascinating. Really? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Yes, they made so much money, they could marry into the high nobility. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
That already is exciting to me. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
But we haven't gone any further up here. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
-That's right. -His father... | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
so he was basically... well, he's a clock merchant. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
-And then... -And that is... | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
-So it stops there? -Yes. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:40 | |
His origin is really unknown. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
It's thought that he may have changed the name. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
Torlonia is not an ancient Italian name. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
Ooh. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
Where did they come from to get to there? | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
You know, I mean, you found the bank, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
but where was his father? | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
And where did his mother come from? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
I want to know what came before Marino Torlonia. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
I want to know more. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
Brooke is travelling to Rome | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
where her ancestor Giovanni Torlonia was the banker to the Vatican. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:22 | |
In the 18th century, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
Rome was one of the most important cities in Europe, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
a focal point of European culture, religion and commerce. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
So, I've come to Rome to find out more about | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
my father's side of the family, the Torlonias. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
I want to know how they got so powerful. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
I would love it if I could have told him | 0:22:43 | 0:22:45 | |
something that he didn't know. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
You know, cos I really don't know how much he knew. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
I think, more than anything, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:53 | |
I think he would have been proud that I cared to do this, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
to make this effort. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
Brooke knows that her ancestors Giovanni and Marino Torlonia | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
bought their way into the nobility, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
but that they started as cloth merchants. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
She's come to the Via Condotti, to meet Daniela Felisini, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
who's written a book about the origins of the Torlonias. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
So what do we have here? What is this? | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
Here, at the first floor, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
there was, in the beginning, a small textile shop and later | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
textile and, let's say, small bank. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
And at the end, only the bank. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:42 | |
That little bank grew into a big bank. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:46 | |
-Yes, yes. -OK. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
Giovanni was a very good entrepreneur. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
He has some sort of intelligence for business, for information, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:57 | |
-for...he knows the keys of a business. -Right. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
At the end of the 18th century, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
when Giovanni was establishing the bank, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Napoleon and the French Army conquered northern Italy, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
creating an opportunity that Giovanni took advantage of. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
When the French Army arrived in Rome, at the end of the 18th century, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:25 | |
he is supplier of the Army, of the French Army, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
and at the same time, the official Pope banker, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:35 | |
but, above all, he built up the first private bank in Italy. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
Not only Rome, but in Italy. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
He has branches in almost all the towns in Italy | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
and also in Switzerland and France and Austria. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
God, he's a smart guy. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
But later, he has to build an identity as a member of Rome aristocracy. | 0:24:55 | 0:25:01 | |
So, he bought important properties, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
-one of them is not far from here in Rome. -Oh, really? | 0:25:04 | 0:25:10 | |
Oh, my God, it's beautiful. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
Can you imagine living here? | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
Oh, my gosh! | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
It's like a... | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
Well, it is...a palace. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
We arrive now at Villa Torlonia, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
the summer house of the family. Giovanni bought the property | 0:25:38 | 0:25:44 | |
from a very ancient Roman family. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
-This is the ballroom for the party. -This is the ballroom? | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
Just extraordinary. Look at the carving. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
All the angels and all of the... | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
Oh! Look! | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
And here, there is a sort of gallery of portraits of writers | 0:26:08 | 0:26:13 | |
and kings and queens. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
Oh, my gosh. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
It's just stunning. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
And also, Mussolini lived in the villa. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
-For real?! -Yeah. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:29 | |
Because Torlonia family rented to him | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
-for a symbolic, erm... -Really? -Yes. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
-So, Mussolini paid rent?! -Yes! -To my family?! -Yes! -SHE LAUGHS | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
Why not?! OK! | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
I'm intrigued about Giovanni's origins. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
What did he come from that he was able to be | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
that focused, that ambitious, and that smart? | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
And you have to have a certain kind of character, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
and I wonder where he came from to get that character? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
Daniela has discovered a document | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
on Giovanni's father - Marino - | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
that might finally tell me where the Torlonias came from. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
We have a wedding certificate of Marino Torlonia. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
He came from Giralo, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
with maybe the Italian transcription, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
of a name of a town in France. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
Because we see Giralo is Italian for Augerolles. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
-He's French origin. -So, he's French origin. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
-Yes. -It's French origin. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
That is fascinating to me. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
I'm shocked at that. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
There's this other side of my brain | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
which is just so French, so comfortable in France. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
I even majored in French Literature. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
So maybe that was it. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:51 | |
Somewhere deep inside, I knew that there was a... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
something in my, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
in my make-up that came from France. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
Now I want to go farther back and find out | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
where he came from. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
To find out more about her ancestor Marino Torlonia's French ancestry, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
she's headed to the town of Augerolles in central France. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
To go from a cloth merchant to a successful banker... | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
I want to know what made him so driven. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
Where does that come from? Where does it start? | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
Where's the germ of that? | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
What was his childhood like? Where were his parents? | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
And why leave France? | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
I'm hoping that historian Carene Rabilloud | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
will be able to tell me if Marino Torlonia | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
was actually born here. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
And so my question is, did he come from France? | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
Was he born here? Did he just come here? How...? | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
I have the pleasure to show you | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
the birth of your ancestor, Marin Torlonia, in France. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
And I have the pleasure to show the document of his birth. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
It's very, very old, very fragile. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
And you can read. It was baptism, Marin Torlonias, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:27 | |
son of Antoine Torlonias. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
You're telling me they're French? | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
Yes. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:36 | |
Like French French. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
French French, yes. Really French. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
-Really French, OK. -Yes. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:41 | |
Not just in name, but in blood. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
-Yes. -OK, wow. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
Well, so he was born here in France. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
That's amazing. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
So Marino Torlonia | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
was actually born Marin Torlonias | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
in rural France in 1725. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
So how did Marin get to Rome? | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
Because the priest of this church was the grand uncle of Marin, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
the priest was appointed by the very famous abbot, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
so Marin became the servant of the abbot. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
Carene told me a fascinating story | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
about how the abbot had been sentenced | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
to be under house arrest for evidently being a spy. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
Marin helped mastermind the escape. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:32 | |
They went all through Europe hiding in various churches | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
and ending up in Rome. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
That's when Marin changed his name to Marino | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
and basically my Italian heritage | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
now begins in Rome. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
So let's go back a little bit. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
-His parents stayed here. -Yes. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
We have found the house of the family Torlonias | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
just five kilometres from Augerolles. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
-Here? -In Marat. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
-Hah! -Yes. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:06 | |
You did? You found THE house? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:07 | |
-Yes. THE house. -OK! | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
-THE house. -Wow. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
Of the family Torlonias. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
So I think Dad would have been | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
very excited about this. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
IMITATING FATHER: You went all the way out there? What did you do that for? | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
And then...but he'd love it. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
He'd love it. Maybe I'll get to tell him one day. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
We can hear the snow crunching under our feet. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:53 | |
We're going to where Marin's parents lived. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
This is the house that he most likely lived | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
with his parents and his siblings. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
This is it. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
This is the house that he lived in | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
almost 300 years ago before he left for Italy. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
It's very simple, humble beginnings. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:30 | |
But how enterprising... To start here and end up | 0:32:30 | 0:32:36 | |
arguably one of the most powerful families | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
in Rome. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
I like that this is where he started, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:45 | |
and then when you look at the palace and the museum | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
and how opulent Giovanni made that | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
and how he went...I mean, basically, he came from this. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
They sort of invaded aristocracy, and they invaded nobility, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
and they claimed it. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
And you think that this is where it all began. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
This is where he left this, to find a new world. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
And he found it. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
This is one of my favourite parts of the journey. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
Just because it feels like this was where it all started. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
I'm shocked of the French origin of all of this. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
Maybe it's a long shot, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
but why would I have decided to study French | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
of all things, you know, at college? | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
And so it's kind of exciting to see that | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
there is a connection somewhere | 0:33:35 | 0:33:36 | |
between me and that language and my ancestry. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
I mean, I feel linked to this family. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
And it's...it's a great feeling | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
because I never knew any of it existed. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
The scroll I was given has been invaluable. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
I found out all I can about the Torlonias. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
Now, I'm using it to explore another branch | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
of my father's family that stretches back | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
more than 400 years. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
All the way at the top of the other side of the scroll | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
is an intriguing figure, Christine Marie. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
She has the title underneath her of Madame Royale. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
Um, sort of want to know | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
how is she connected to all this. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
She's the only one that has the word "Royale" | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
after her name, so... | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
and not being satisfied without the least bit | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
of royal blood in my veins, I must find out about her. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
OK, Christine Marie... Marie de France. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
OK, she was born in...at the Palais du Louvre. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
Palais du... The Louvre? | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
She was born in the Louvre? Is that possible?! | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
Can you be born in the Louvre? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
The Palais du Louvre in Paris, | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
on the right bank of the Seine | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
is a former royal palace. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
So she was born in the Louvre. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
That's wild! SHE LAUGHS | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
So there is royal blood in there. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
We need to go to chez Marie. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
AKA the Louvre. SHE LAUGHS | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Brooke has come to the Louvre, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
today, one of the most famous museums in the world. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
-Hello, there. -Hi. -Let me find you a seat. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
Pleasure, thank you. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
She's meeting genealogist Charles Mosley, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
an expert in royal families. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
That's Christine, or Christine Marie up there. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
Madame Royale. | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
Christine Marie, she was born in the Louvre. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
She was born in the Louvre. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
And there's a document here | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
detailing her baptism. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
Her father was Henry IV, your ancestor. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:16 | |
Do you know who Henry IV was? | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
Apart from the fact that he was the King of France. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
Not much more than that he was the king of France. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
Well, he is the founder of the Bourbon dynasty, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
which everybody thinks of as the classic French dynasty | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
because it remained the French dynasty | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
until the revolution. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:31 | |
And he was a great lover. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
He had many mistresses, many illegitimate children. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
But he also continued the line of the kings of France, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
which was very important in those days. And Henry IV and his successors | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
were the greatest experts in building up the prestige | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
of the monarchy, the French monarchy. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
Which is why France still retains | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
its terrific prestige that it does today. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
Where we're sitting now is a huge building | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
overlooking a vast courtyard much bigger than | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
anything we have in Britain. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
And it is the great palace in which Henry IV, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
your ancestor, lived. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Wow. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
This is Saint-Denis. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
It's where the remains of the kings of France | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
are kept in sort of honourable retirement. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
-Look at that. Isn't that stupendous? -Beautiful! | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
-Here we are. -OK. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
This chamber here contains the hearts | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
of some of the kings of France. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
-Now let's try and open that gate. -Oh. -Do you want to push it, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
-or shall I? -Oh, OK. My knees are weak. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
-OK. -There you've got the hearts of various kings of France. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
Your ancestor, Henry IV, he is in the middle row, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
on the far left. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:54 | |
-Yes, indeed. -(Can I touch it?) | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
Ooh, God. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
Get in trouble. But I have to do it. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
Yeah, I think you're right. No, no, no. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
-If anybody's entitled to... -Wooh! -I...well, I don't know. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
It's your property | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
-more than anybody else's around here. -I've just touched Henry IV's heart. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
Do you feel better? More solemn? More wise? More... | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
It's just extraordinary that this even exists, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
and the fact that there's a connection that I honestly have to it. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
It's...I do feel awestruck about it. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
It just keeps getting better. Like, I keep thinking, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
"Oh, this is the culmination of it," you know. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
It can't be better than this. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:34 | |
What more could possibly be revealed to me? I... | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
at this point, I've stopped even trying | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
to figure it out, I can't imagine. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
Here's Henry IV, your ancestor, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
who I hope you're not yet bored with. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
Oh, no. SHE LAUGHS | 0:38:58 | 0:38:59 | |
Um, but yet another depiction of him, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
perhaps the best of the lot | 0:39:01 | 0:39:02 | |
in as much as it's three-dimensional. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
And now let us turn to his much more famous grandson, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
Louis XIV. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
He built this vast palace in which we are now, Versailles. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
This man, the most powerful king of his time, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
perhaps of all time, certainly the greatest, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
most glorious king in European history, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
is your first cousin, many generations removed. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
I...I... that's all too much. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
No matter where you turn, I'm connected somehow. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
-Exactly, you are connected. -I am connected. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
I DO feel connected. You made me feel... | 0:39:34 | 0:39:35 | |
You're even more connected, as you'll find out in a minute. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
That is the Battle Of Taillebourg, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
won by Saint Louis, your direct ancestor. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
So you're looking at about 25 generations back from you. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
He is the French king from whom Henry IV descends. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
He is the father of all those kings of France. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
And on top of that, he's a saint. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
Not that usual for a king to be a saint. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
-It's extraordinary. -Yeah. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Yesterday, you were looking at | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
the small remains of your ancestor. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
Today you're seeing a pictorial representation. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
A representation that brings out the drama, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
the glory, and I suppose one has to say | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
the glamour. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
-And the passion. -Oh, yes, absolutely. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
Wow. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:24 | |
It's...that's fascinating to me, it's fascinating. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
Here, we have Hugh. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
-And he is your direct ancestor also. -How? -Although he lived over 1,000 years ago. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:41 | |
Because he's an ancestor of Saint Louis, who we've discussed already. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
Well, how do you feel, then? | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
Um, now...now I'm awestruck. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
It's pretty impressive. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
I mean, I've come across quite a few extraordinary genealogical links. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
Never anything like this. A saint, a pope. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
You come from some good popes too. Paul III. He wasn't a bad pope. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:04 | |
He wasn't good enough, of course, to, erm...how can I say? Keep his trousers on! | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
But you have a saint in the family, and you have a great king, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
and you have a still greater king, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
and you've got Philip II, who's not a bad king, | 0:41:14 | 0:41:16 | |
Charles V, a great emperor, Ferdinand, another emperor. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:21 | |
You've got it all! | 0:41:21 | 0:41:22 | |
-I've got it all. -Everything. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:41:22 | 0:41:25 | |
I'm not sure what to do with it, but... | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
-Well, guard it carefully. -Enjoy it, I will, I guard it. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
I will guard it with my heart. Thank you. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
This has been an amazing exploration | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
of both sides of my family. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
Being able to sort of find your place | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
in the grand scheme of things, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
there's something empowering about it. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
What's so funny about these two pictures, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
I always asked myself the question, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
who was I more like? Which side did I belong on? | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
And I felt the need to define it. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
I used to feel that I was always sort of | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
one foot in each door, sort of straddling this fence. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
And after this whole journey, I feel much more deeply connected | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
with the European side as well as with the American side. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
It's been very freeing to me | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
to realise that I don't have to solely come from one side. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:29 | |
I'm just looking forward to imparting what I've learned | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
and telling my children where we all came from. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
And even if they don't fully understand it now, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
this'll be a huge piece of their puzzle. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
I do feel part of something bigger, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
and now the desire that I have | 0:42:53 | 0:42:54 | |
to share it with my daughters is even stronger. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
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