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Academy award-winning Actress Gwyneth Paltrow | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
is one of America's leading movie stars. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
She has appeared in dozens of films, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
including Shakespeare In Love, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:12 | |
for which she won the coveted Best Actress Oscar. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
Although she grew up in New York, Gwyneth spends much of her time in London | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
with her husband, Chris Martin, lead singer of Coldplay | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
and their two children. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
She was born to a family with deep roots | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
in the entertainment business. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
Her mother is actress Blythe Danner, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
and her late father was producer-director Bruce Paltrow. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
My dad was the love of my life | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
until he died. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
My father really instilled in me... | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
the importance of unconditional love and support, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:51 | |
and to treat your family with love and respect, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
because they're your family, and those are the ties that bind. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Of course there's stories that come through | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
that you never know if they were true or not. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
It's hard to know the truth about your own parents, even when they're telling you | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
themselves, you know. Everything is subjective and you never really know what the facts are, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:12 | |
what the fiction is and how the two combine. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
My mother's side of the family, the Danners, | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
were completely different to the Paltrows. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
My mother's the kind of classic half-German WASP | 0:01:41 | 0:01:46 | |
and had some sort of Pennsylvania Dutch roots. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
And then, on my father's side, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
it's Jewish lineage from Eastern Europe. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
I think it's the classic American story of... | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
many different backgrounds coming together. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
Gwyneth is back in New York City. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
She is beginning her journey with her mother's side of the family. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
My mother at some point mentioned that somebody | 0:02:11 | 0:02:14 | |
on her father's side was from Barbados. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:19 | |
I am curious to find out who was from Barbados | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
and why they were there. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
My mom thinks it might have been her grandmother Ida May | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
who came from Barbados, but I don't know. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
Given my mom's deep German roots, it seems pretty unlikely. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
My mother has just sent me... | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
these beautiful pictures of Ida May Danner. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
Her father's mother. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
She's very elegant-looking. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
I'll go see if I can find any records of any kind | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
that prove that she did come from Barbados. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
Gwyneth is starting her search at the New York Public Library | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
with Maira Liriano, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:04 | |
a librarian who's already been researching some records. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
Welcome to the New York Public Library | 0:03:08 | 0:03:09 | |
-Stephen A Schwarzman building. -Thanks for being here. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
So my mother sent me these photographs | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
of her paternal grandmother... | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
OK. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
..called Ida Danner. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
I don't know anything about her, but my mother had said | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
that there was some connection to Barbados. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
So I wondered if there was any information about her, basically. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
We'll start off with an obituary for Ida... | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
-OK. -..that appeared in a newspaper in Pennsylvania. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
-OK. -She passed away in February of 1967. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
"Mrs Ida M Danner, 82, died Thursday evening | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
"at the Broomall Presbyterian Home. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
"Mrs Danner was born..." Oh, born in Montgomery County. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
So where is Montgomery County? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
Montgomery County is in Pennsylvania, outside of Philadelphia. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
Hmm. So she's not from Barbados? | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
-Interesting. -But this is really helpful, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
because we do get the name of her parents. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
"Daughter of the late David T and Isabel Stout Yetter." | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
Gwyneth has discovered the story | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
about her mother's grandmother | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
coming from Barbados isn't true. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:16 | |
But learning the names of Ida's parents | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
may provide more information. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
Maira was able to find Ida's mother Isabel | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
living in Pennsylvania on the 1910 census. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
There she is. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:30 | |
She's the head of the house. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
49. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
The birthplace was in the West Indies. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Ooh. Her father and mother were both born in the West Indies. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
So that gives us some clues. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:43 | |
It doesn't completely confirm what we want to know. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
And so this happens to be Isabel's death certificate. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
-OK. -So she died in Pennsylvania. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
-1914. -OK, so full name, Rosemond Isabel Yetter. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:01 | |
She was a housekeeper. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
She was born in Barbados, West Indies. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
-That's cool. -So this would definitely be our Barbados connection. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
-OK. -And she's working as a domestic servant. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
-So she had to work. -Right. -She didn't come with money. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
-She actually had to earn a living. -Right. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Um...and is there a way to find out more | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
about her and... | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
or when she came to the... to America, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
or what she was doing in Barbados, or...? | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
-Is there a way to figure that out? -I think what we could try to find out | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
-is maybe when she came here. -Uh-huh. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
-And we'll look at passenger lists. -OK. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Try first with Rosamond. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Rosamond. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
-Stout. -Stout. Right. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
-There. -OK. So one person comes up. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
Roseman Stoud. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
Or Rosemond Stout. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
1868. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
And she was born about 1850. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
So she would be 18 when she came. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
Rosemond Stout... Oh. She's coming with somebody. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
-Martha Stout? -Who's 27. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
She's got an older sister. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
-Aww. -And they're heading to the United States. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
-They're heading to the United States. -This is a very unusual passenger list, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
-because there's only two passengers on this. -Oh! | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Look at the top, and you'll get a little bit more information | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
about the ship itself. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:25 | |
This abbreviation stands for barque. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
And that is, at the time, the 19th century, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
that was a commercial sailing ship. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
-OK. -So they managed to get | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
onto this commercial ship... | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
-Strange. -..that was heading to New York, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
and, er, they were the only two passengers on it. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Wow. That's very adventurous. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
-Yeah. -I wouldn't let my two daughters | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
get onto a ship alone with a bunch of men | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
going to New York. Sailors. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
So can we find out any more about why | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
they were leaving, or what the...? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
For that, you'd have to go to Barbados to... | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
What a shame! Damn! | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
Especially after a day like today. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
So Gwyneth is heading to Barbados, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
on the trail of her great-great grandmother Rosemond Stout. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
At 18 years old, she went to a foreign land | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
with only her sister by her side, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:21 | |
and that definitely takes guts. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
I'm curious to get to | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
the bottom of this mystery. Why would she have left | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
this beautiful island in the first place? | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
In the late 1860s, at the time Gwyneth's great-great grandmother left for America, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:41 | |
Barbados was a British colony. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
There had been English settlers on Barbados | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
since the early 17th century, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
but it was with the introduction of the sugar crop in the 1640s | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
that the island's economy exploded. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
To work the sugar plantations, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
thousands of slaves were imported from West Africa | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
and Barbados became a major trading centre, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
exporting sugar and other crops all over the world. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
It's quite a lot to emigrate from somewhere | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
into the great unknown. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
I think I would understand that drive, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
or that quest for a better life. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
To try to find out why her great-great grandmother Rosemond | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
left her homeland, Gwyneth is heading to | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
the Barbados Department of Archives. She's meeting genealogist | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
Dr Pat Stafford. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:28 | |
So they were going to the United States. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
This is a shipping record. They went on a commercial ship. It wasn't a passenger ship. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
Yeah, from 10th October in 1868. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
-Mm-hmm. -Which suggests she would have | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
-been born about 1850. -Right. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
-So let's look at this record book here. -OK. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
-Now, what is this? -This is one of the many records | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
of everybody who was baptised on the island. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
Wow. OK. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
And see if you can find anybody called Rosemond Stout. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
OK... Carter, Godard, Stout? | 0:08:59 | 0:09:05 | |
Stout, yes. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:06 | |
And this is... But the child who was baptised... | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
OK. Rosemond Isabel. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
-And these are the parents. -Samuel and Sarah Frances Stout. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
And this column here, of course, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
is her father's occupation. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
Her father. "Merchant clerk." | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Wow, OK. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
What does that mean, a merchant clerk? | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
By the mid-1800s, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
Barbados was a major centre of trade in the Caribbean. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
And Bridgetown was the main hub for imported goods | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
and the export of commodities such as rum, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
sugar and molasses. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Rosemond's father, Samuel Stout, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
clerked for the port's merchants, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
perhaps someday hoping to become | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
a full-fledged merchant himself. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
This was quite a middle-class occupation. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
So it was not the sort of profession | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
that one would assume that the children want to run away from home. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
-OK. -Something must have gone wrong within the family | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
for two young girls like this to move. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
-So I have taken the liberty of looking up the burial records... -OK. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
..to find if, in fact, there was some kind of tragedy. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
"Burials solemnised in the cathedral | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
"and parish church, 1864." | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
And again, if you'd like to read down the page... | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
-Yes. -Again, you're looking in this... | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
Stout. Sarah Frances Stout. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
-42 years. -She died. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
-So Sarah Frances died. -Oh, dear! | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
"Widow of Sam Stout." | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
He was dead already. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
So what you have here | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
are two girls... | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
Losing... They've lost their father already. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
Now they've just lost their mother. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
That's right. So... | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
God, she was only 42. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
So...when your, um, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
when your great-great grandmother was left an orphan, she was only 13 years old. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
Oh, no! | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
That's so awful. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
-That's so sad. -So it does suggest... | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
-So she was left with her... -That may have been... -Yeah. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
-..one of the reasons that they chose to leave the island. -Yeah. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
So, where do we go from here? | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
-I don't know. -Right. -You tell me. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
Well, I can only tell you what the records say at this stage. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
They don't really reveal anything else to me. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
Oh, OK. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
But, um, what I suggest you do | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
is talk to a historian who specialises | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
in this period of Barbadian history. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
-OK, and this is somebody I can find here? -Yes, I believe so. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
-Don't send me back to New York! -No, we're not sending you back to New York. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
OK, good. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:44 | |
'I know my great-great grandmother' | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
was orphaned at a very young age. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
She was 13. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
And then she went to America when she was 18 and became a maid. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
So I'm just wondering what happened. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
I'm really curious to find out | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
why she left and... | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
just looking forward | 0:12:01 | 0:12:02 | |
to finding out the rest of the story, really. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
To try to find out what would have driven her great-great grandmother | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
to board a commercial ship bound for the US, | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
Gwyneth is meeting Professor Pedro Welch, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
an expert on 19th-century Barbados. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
How are you? | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
-How are you? -I'm Gwyneth. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
-Yes. Pedro. Pedro Welch. -Pedro, nice to meet you. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
Come in. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:24 | |
So, Pedro, I was in New York | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
and I found this record | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
of my great-great grandmother. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
She got on this boat and went to America. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
So I was just wondering | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
if you might know | 0:12:39 | 0:12:40 | |
anything about the family, or... | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
or the time, or what happened, or what | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
life might have been like? Basically, anything you can tell me. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Um, certainly. It seems to me that you've got | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
quite a lot of information here to begin with. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
-Right. -Um, this document | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
you have here, um, | 0:12:56 | 0:12:57 | |
does something for us that many other documents don't do. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
-OK. -You have names. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
You have ages. And you know something about the boat... | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
-Right. -..that they're travelling in. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
Uh, many of the boats that are used in the region | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
-are called barques or schooners. -OK. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
So we know something about the boat. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
You know something about the conditions | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
that they will be travelling under. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
For example, if you think of the kind of boat | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
that they would have travelled in, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
these would have been used to transport salt | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
and, um, and colonial produce around the region. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
And why would they have gone on a commercial boat? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Why would they have been the only two passengers on a commercial ship? | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
I think it is quiet possible that this was an option, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
-um, that they chose because it was cheaper. -Oh. -Um... | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
But what leads them to travel on a ship in the first place? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
Right, exactly. What is it? | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
-I think that part of it is an amalgam of several things. -OK. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
-Emancipation comes in 1834. -OK. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
-Um... -How? -It is conferred by an Act of British... | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
of the British Parliament. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
-OK. -What happens thereafter is that, um, | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
that many of the white population | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
-lose their positions. Their social positions. -Oh. -Um... | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
Her occupation. Um, I see that on the list here. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
The occupation is given as seamstress. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
That's certainly for her sister. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
-And she's a milliner. -Right. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
These are occupations held largely by black women. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
-Right. -And these young ladies | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
-would not have had much of an opportunity after emancipation... -Right. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
The English settlers had imposed slavery | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
on black Barbadians for two centuries. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
And although Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
the institution of slavery | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
continued within the British Empire until 1834. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
By the time Rosemond Stout left Barbados, | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
emancipation had been in place for over 30 years. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
With blacks integrated into the paid work force, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
job opportunities for lower-middle-class white women | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
were in short supply, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
and many were competing with the free black women, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
who were often willing to work for lower wages. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
And the other issue that faces particularly women is, um, | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
-the question of, who are you going to get married to? -Right. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
The female population is larger than the male population. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
-OK. -Proportionately. So that for an 18-year-old girl in this period, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
her marriage prospects are limited. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
-Right. -Um... -So she has no parents. She's competing with | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
all the other white women for few available men. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
-And some black women as well. -And some black women as well. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
-Yes. -And then she's also competing with all the young black women | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
for the milliner and seamstress jobs. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
-Yes. -So she decides... | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
to get on a boat and go to America. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
-Yes. -So... -Because... -She's quite, er...hardy. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
-Quite feisty. -Yeah, feisty. -Oh, yes, yes, yes, um... | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
I trust that, um, that she's bequeathed | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
that same spirit. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Right. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
I trust she has done that. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
Thank you. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
'It was interesting to learn kind of her circumstance, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
'and the idea of...' | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
these people who you're so closely related to | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
having these kind of unbelievable experiences, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
and I think it was very brave of her to leave with her older sister. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
And I really like that, you know, chutzpah | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
and sense of, you know, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
"No, I can make something of my life. I have that self belief." | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Because I have the same self belief. And I've always credited my father with that, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
because he said to me, "You can do whatever you want to do." | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
But it's interesting to see physical examples of family members | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
who've done that very thing. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Gwyneth is back in New York City | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
and is now searching into her father's side of the family. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
She is beginning by investigating her grandfather Buster's family background. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
My grandpa Buster was... | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
the most loving, effusive... | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
incredible grandfather. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
But he was not close to his family at all. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
And there was some real darkness there. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
My grandfather would make comments about... | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
his upbringing and how it wasn't a house. It wasn't a home. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
That his mother didn't take care of him. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
That the children would be | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
sent home from school for being filthy. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
But I never really pressed too much about what it was. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
Gwyneth wants to find out more about Buster's mother | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
and the reasons for his unhappy childhood. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
So she's visiting Buster's daughter, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
her dad's sister, Aunt Fran. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
-Hi! -Hi. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
I'm trying to find out more about Buster | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
and his childhood. I feel like anywhere | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
I was able to get was because of the love of him and my dad, you know? | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
He didn't talk that much about his family, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
just in sort of like "I don't want to go there" | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
kind of a way. Right. So do you know things? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
Yeah, he was, er, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
-he was born in 1914. -All right. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
He grew up in Bayside, Queens. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
Growing up, his household was not like mine | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
and not like yours. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
Ida, his mother, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
she didn't cook, she didn't clean. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
Piles and piles of newspapers, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
and...junk. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
She was a hoarder. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
She was a hoarder, basically. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
-Er, but yet, she was very smart. She went to Hunter College. -Really? | 0:18:32 | 0:18:38 | |
Uh, but she never made a meal. I think this... | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
This is Buster with all of his siblings and his parents. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
-Is that Ida? -That's Ida. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
-Wow. -And this is Mike. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Also real name is Meyer. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
-My great-grandfather. -Yes. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
You do know that our name was actually Paltrovitch? | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
Yes, that, I did know. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
So...I mean, I really don't know anything about her, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
except that she sounded like she... had mental health problems. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:08 | |
I would like to know what happened to her | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
and where she was from and why she was crazy... | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
I do have one other thing. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
The certificate of death of Ida. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Of Ida. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
Let's see. Bronx. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
"Name of father, Joseph Hyman." | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
So her maiden name is Hyman. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
Ida Hyman. That's a terrible name. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
Oh! | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
OK. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
It's quite an interesting juxtaposition | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
that she was kind of a mess at home, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
but she seems to have been going to college, and, you know, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
this is like at the turn of the century, basically. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
So it would be interesting to find out | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
who she was before she became a wife | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
and an ambivalent mother. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
Gwyneth has arranged to meet Professor Deborah Dash Moore, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
an expert on New York Jewish history, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
who's been researching Ida's background. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
I've brought you down here to the lower East side, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
-which was the heart of the immigrant Jewish neighbourhood. -Right. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
And your great-grandmother grew up here. So we have here a police report. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:24 | |
I don't know whether... Can you make out the names? | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
-Hyman, there. -Hyman, you got it. Keep going. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
-Joseph Hyman, Rebekah, and Ida Hyman. -That's her! | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
-OK. -All right. Now, if you notice, where do they live? | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
-37 Allen. -So here we are, on Allen. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
-Oh! -OK. Look around. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
38... | 0:20:43 | 0:20:44 | |
-..37. -There, that's it! | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
-And that's the building. -Unbelievable. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
-That's the building. -That's where she grew up? | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
-That's where she grew up, yes. -Wow. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
I have a really neat document here to show you. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
-But I think it's really cold out here. -It's cold. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
-We should go to a cafe to take a look at it. -OK, that's a great idea. -OK. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:07 | |
So I want to give you a sense of | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
what Ida achieved, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
which is pretty impressive. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:17 | |
-And, in fact, we have here... -1897. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
Annual Report of The Normal College. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
"A catalogue of students." | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
Normal College is what Hunter College was called. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
-Oh. -The goal is, er, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
to have young women train to be public school teachers. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
It didn't matter what your ethnic background was. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
Um, that was very important, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
because there certainly were, | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
er, colleges that didn't admit Jews. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
She could be a poor Russian, Jewish immigrant and... | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
And get into the Normal College, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
and have open to you these vistas. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
The opportunity of a career. All these things within her reach. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
-Yeah. -Cos in New York City, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
-teaching was the top career for a young women. -Which is great. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
So let's see where she is. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
-There she is. Ida Hyman. -Yeah. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
"Average percent - 82." | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
-That's pretty good. -Yeah, that's pretty good. That's correct. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
-"Number of days present - 66." -Mm-hmm. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
"Number of days absent - 27." | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
-A lot of days. -That's a lot of days. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
So that's an indicator of something strange. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
That's right. That's right. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
She's obviously smart, but she's having problems making it to school. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
-Yeah. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
Um, and, in fact, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
if we check the following year, this is one of the registers. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
OK. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
It says, "Dis September 16th, 1898." | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
What does that mean? | 0:22:49 | 0:22:50 | |
She didn't graduate. She was discharged. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
Ah. Kicked out? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
Probably. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
I wonder what was going on with her. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
If we take a look here, we may begin to figure out | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
what may have been happening. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
-OK. -This is the 1900 census. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
-Edith... -Edith. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
-Edith is also Ida. -Oh, OK. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
And who was the family? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
Edith, Isaac... | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
-And... -Joseph Hyman. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
That's right. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
So who was in the family ten years earlier? | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
So they were Joseph... | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
Rebecca, Isaac, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Samuel, Ida. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
Right. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
So we're missing someone. Someone has died. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
-Uh-huh, or something. -Or something. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
In 1890, Ida was living with | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
her parents and two brothers. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
But ten years later, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:52 | |
Ida's mother and one of her brothers | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
have disappeared from the census records. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
So where's the mother? | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
-OK, so where's the mother? -And we're missing Samuel. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:02 | |
And we're missing Samuel. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:04 | |
-Oh, dear. -This is the mother. -Oh, that's sad. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:11 | |
-Yeah, this is very sad. -Cirrhosis of the liver. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
She was an alcoholic. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Not necessarily. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:17 | |
You can get cirrhosis of the liver from other things as well. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
"I hereby certify I attended deceased | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
"from February 10, 1897..." | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
1897? | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
That was just a year before Ida was discharged from college. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
So that's probably why Ida was, um... | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
not at school so much. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
I think so. I think that she had to help her mom. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
-OK. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
-Oh... -And... | 0:24:43 | 0:24:44 | |
Here, we find Samuel, Ida's brother. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
It says 1897 as well. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
That's right. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
Just after the death of Rebecca, of his mom. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
So his mom died... | 0:24:59 | 0:25:00 | |
She died in April, yeah. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
-And he died in June. -Yeah. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
-Mm. That's a blow. -So it's a real blow. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
She's gone from seemingly having some kind of ambition | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
and going to college and heading towards a career to be a teacher, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
and then her mother and older brother die. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
And I feel like... | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
it caused, you know, sort of planted the seeds | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
for some resentment later in her life. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
Just based on the type of mother she was | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
to my grandfather, and... | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
It's sad. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:37 | |
I've lost my father. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
And, you know, the idea of... any more grief on top of that, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
I just...I think it would break me in half. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
So if she felt the way about her mother | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
that I felt about my father, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
or she felt the way about her brother | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
that I feel about my brother, I mean, it's amazing that she was able to | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
ever get out of the house again. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
So I'm very curious to find out | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
about the next stage of her life, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
and why my grandfather had such an unhappy home. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
Gwyneth is meeting Michael Lorenzini | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
at the New York Municipal Archives | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
to look for more records | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
that reference her great-grandmother Ida or her grandfather Buster, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
whose given name was Arnold. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
I want to find out about my grandfather's mother. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Kind of what her early adulthood was like and her marriage. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
Michael is starting with the 1920 census, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
the first one after Gwyneth's grandfather, Arnold, was born. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
-It was originally Paltrovitch. -OK. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
Ah, there you go. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:46 | |
OK. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
"Paltrowitz. Paltrowitz. Meyer, Edith. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
"Harold, Ruth, Marion, Arnold P." | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
-There it is. -And Dorothy. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
If we look down at the ages, Harold's the oldest. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
He's 16. So obviously, they've been together a while. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
-Mm-hmm. -Um... | 0:27:08 | 0:27:09 | |
So we could go back to the 1910 census | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
-and see if we can find the family there. -OK. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
Arnold wouldn't have been born yet. We could look for Meyer. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
-His dad. -Mm-hmm. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Um, but I think he seems like the only one who came up. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
-"Meyer Paltrowitz. Wife..." -Ida Paltrowitz. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
"Harold Paltrowitz and Helen..." | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
Helen. She wasn't in the 1920 census. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
So in 1920, Gwyneth's | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
great-grandparents, Ida and Meyer, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
had five children. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
But ten years earlier, in 1910, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
they had a sixth child, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
a daughter named Helen. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
So I'm wondering what happened to Helen. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
-Did she die too? -That's probably what happened. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
-We could pull the death certificate. This will have more information. -OK. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:04 | |
Certificate 4129. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
41... | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
..29. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
Helen Paltrowitz. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
Three years old. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
Oh, that's terrible. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
What does it say? | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
"Fractured..." | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
-"Shock fracture." -Shock fracture. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
"Ribs punctuated lung..." | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
"And run over..." | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
-By a wagon? -By a wagon. -Oh, my God. That's horrific. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
Oh. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
So because of the nature of this death, | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
um, there would be a coroner's inquest as well. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
-Right. -Because it's an accidental death. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
-Right. -So that may have more information. -Right. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
This is the notice of death. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
"Deceased three years old. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
"Was in street when wagon came along. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
"Driver was driving slow. Driver didn't know anything about accident | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
"until attention was attracted by scream." | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
Oh... | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
"When he stopped, witness testified | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
"deceased went between front and rear wheel." | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
Oh, God. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
That's...terrible. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
That's like your worst nightmare. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
As a mother, you just... | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
..do not want to read this. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
Yeah, it's pretty... It's pretty horrific. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
Even worse is if we look at Arnold's older sister. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
Marion, she was seven-and-a-half in 1920. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
-OK. -So... | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
-This is her social security... -Right. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
..record, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:52 | |
which is going to actually have her birth date on it. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
August 12th, 1912. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:57 | |
OK, so...Helen dies July 20th, 1912. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:02 | |
And she's born August 1912. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
So my great-grandmother was pregnant... | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
when her older daughter died. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:16 | |
Yeah, just three weeks, gave birth three weeks later. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
Wow. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
That's devastating. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
It makes me feel so bad for my great-grandmother. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
I could only imagine that, you know, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
it's the loss of her daughter that... | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
really...spun her out. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
And the hormones of having the baby right away, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
while still being in the depths of grief and depression | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
over the loss of a child | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
really made her incapable of caring for them. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
I wish I could share this information with my grandfather. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
He didn't have compassion for her at all, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
and maybe this would have changed that. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
I'm relieved to finally | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
have some resolution | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
to the dark stories I'd heard | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
about my grandpa Buster's mother. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:05 | |
And given how he was raised, | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
it's amazing how loving he was to his own family. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
But it does make me wonder more | 0:31:11 | 0:31:12 | |
about his father Meyer's side of the family. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
The only thing I know is that Meyer's father, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
my great-great grandfather, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:19 | |
was a rabbi from eastern Europe named Simon. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
There's a story in my family | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
that we came from generations of rabbis. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
So I wonder if this is true, | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
if I have any great rabbis in my lineage. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
I have a very spiritually curious soul, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
and if it is true, it would be amazing. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
To begin her research into her Jewish heritage | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
and to try to find out more about her great-grandfather Meyer's family background, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
Gwyneth is heading out to Long Island to visit her cousin, Barbara Paltrow. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
-Hi! -Come in! I'm so glad to see you. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
It's so good to see you. It's been such a long time. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
-How are you? Really well. How are you? -And those two gorgeous | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
-little babies? -Amazing, great. I'll show you pictures before I go. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
I want to see them. Come. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:14 | |
So this has been really interesting because | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
I've been finding out a lot about my grandpa Buster, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
starting with his mother, so I know a lot more about her now. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
But I don't know anything about Buster's father, Meyer. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:32 | |
Well, I didn't know your great-grandfather that well, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
-but he did come to visit, and we... -Is this him? | 0:32:36 | 0:32:42 | |
-This is him. -This is Meyer? -This is Meyer, and if you look on the back, | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
he has written a note which is partly cut off, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
but that's in his hand. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
"A likeness of myself which will be a souvenir. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
"Love and regards to all, your brother, Meyer." | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
1909. | 0:32:58 | 0:32:59 | |
And was his father a rabbi? | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
Yes, Simon or Simcha Paltrowitz. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:12 | |
Also known as Paltrovitch. These names all had many pronunciations. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
Right. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
An Orthodox rabbi, imagine that. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
-And where was his father a rabbi? -He was from... | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
from the area that's on the border of Poland and Russia. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:34 | |
-Right. -I have a couple of pictures... | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
to show you... | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
This is very old. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
..taken on the occasion of the 50th wedding anniversary | 0:33:43 | 0:33:49 | |
of Simcha and his wife Zipporah | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
or Zippy, as I was told she was called, Zippy! | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
Zippy, that's so great! | 0:33:55 | 0:33:56 | |
What a great name. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
So this is Meyer's father. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
That's Meyer's father, yes. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:03 | |
So Meyer is my great-grandfather. This is my great-great grandfather. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
-OK. -It's hard to keep track of them! | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
An Orthodox rabbi. I had heard this, but I never really knew if it was true, or... | 0:34:10 | 0:34:17 | |
-Right. It really is amazing. -Wow. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
-Do you know any more about Simcha's... -Predecessors? -Yes. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:27 | |
I really don't know a great deal of that. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
It'll be interesting to see what we find. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
Yes, indeed! | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
Amazing. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
'It was great to come out here and learn about...' | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
Simcha, my great-great grandfather. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
It was very interesting to have it confirmed | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
that he was an Orthodox rabbi | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
and that his father before him, and on and on, all the predecessors were apparently these Orthodox rabbis. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:57 | |
So I'm very curious to find out who they were and when they came to America, | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
and kind of what they studied and wrote about, and so we'll see. We'll see what we learn. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:09 | |
Gwyneth's next stop is the Eldridge Street Synagogue in Lower Manhattan, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
the first synagogue erected in New York | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
by Jewish immigrants from Eastern Europe. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
The only rabbi I know of is my great-great grandfather, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
Simcha, or Simon Paltrovitch, who emigrated from Eastern Europe. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
But given the family stories I've heard, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
I wonder if he's the only rabbi in my lineage. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
Gwyneth is meeting Professor Glenn Dynner, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
who specialises in Eastern European Jewish history. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
-Well, we have some extraordinary documents here. -OK. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
-This is in Polish. -OK. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
-And it says... -HE SPEAKS IN POLISH | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
"A promise of marriage." | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
Now, this is a betrothal between... | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
Can you read it at all? | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
No. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:02 | |
-Simon... -OK. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
-Szymon in Polish. -OK. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
..Paltrovitch. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
-My great-great grandfather? -Right. -OK. -OK. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
And he's marrying somebody by the name of Czypa Levitinska. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
The ceremony is presided over | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
by the rabbi of the Nowogrod district. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
-What's Nowogrod? -It's a small town, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
-in the northeast of Poland. -OK. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
And in 1862, we have a signature by... | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
Her... Herve... | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
-Hirsch. Hirsch Pelterowicz. -Hirsch Pelterowicz. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
Simcha's father. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
-And he's also the rabbi of Nowogrod. -Wow. That is so cool. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
-So now this tells us that we have another rabbi in the family. -Right. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
Gwyneth has discovered that | 0:36:50 | 0:36:51 | |
her third great-grandfather, Tzvi Hirsch, | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
was also a rabbi, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
confirming one of the family stories. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
There are two additional pieces of information | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
-which I think you'll find really interesting. -OK. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:05 | |
-Now, I have here in my hands a memorial book... -OK. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
-..from the community of Nowogrod. -Oh, my gosh. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
-The vast majority of these communities were destroyed during the Holocaust. -Right. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
Nowogrod is no exception. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:20 | |
Yet the survivors, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
or those who had left before the Holocaust, | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
would get together after the war | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
and they would write what is called a memorial book. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
-Wow. -And this is the memorial book that they came up with. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
-And they mention Tzvi Hirsch. -Really? | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
-Translation... -Translation. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
"The rabbis of Nowogrod were famous for their learnedness | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
"and personal qualities. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
"The rabbi Reb Hershele was a great holy man | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
"and master of Kabbalah. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
"Once, a great fire erupted outside the town. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
"The fire approached the Jewish neighbourhood. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
"A great panic ensued. However, Rabbi Hershele | 0:37:57 | 0:37:59 | |
"went out to the balcony of his house, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
"waved his handkerchief towards the fire, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
"and the fire was extinguished. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
"Since then, they say, a fire that erupts in the town | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
"will not spread very much, for the blessing of R Hershele protects us." | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
Wow. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
So that was my... | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
That was Simcha's father. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:20 | |
-That was Simcha's father. -Tzvi Hirsch. -Oh, my gosh. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
And, um, he was... a master of Kabbalah. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
-Wow. -A miracle worker. -This is kind of blowing my mind. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
Because I study Kabbalah. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
You can just feel how... his spirituality coming off the page. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
And this is somebody very, very special, | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
very holy... | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
that you have in your family line. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
-That's quite remarkable. -Yeah. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
OK? Would you like to see more? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
Oh, gosh, yes. Like, there's more? | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
It gets better. The next thing I want to show you | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
is a book called Kettert Tzvi, | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
"The Crown of Tzvi." | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
-OK. -This is a book that Simon wrote. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
-And guess who he named it after? -His father. -Tzvi Hirsch. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
-Tzvi Hirsch. -His father. -His father, OK. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
Now, the reason why it's so interesting is... | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
there's a reflection | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
on his father in here. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
-And I'll give you the translation. -OK. -OK? -Cool. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
"For my Lord and father, the genius of blessed memory, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
"was always on call at his study house | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
"with legal discussions and cases that they brought before him. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
"And they came from all the communities | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
"where people knew the reputation of my Lord and father. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
"And they sought Torah from his mouth." | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
Oh. This is going to make me cry. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
That's so sweet. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
"..From his mouth, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
"as from the mouth of one of the angels | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
"of Lord of Hosts." | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
That's so sweet. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:57 | |
You have a long line of people loving their fathers | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
in my family. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
Just incredible reverence for his father. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
That is amazing. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
It's funny, because... | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
you... I mean, are you here | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
as, like, echoes of your own relationships? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
You know, it's just, it's amazing to | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
see so many parallels that keep coming together | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
over...through all these different themes. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
It's just... | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
That's very... That's amazing. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
There are a lot of people who I want to talk to about this. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
'I was amazed that Simcha, my great-great grandfather's father | 0:40:43 | 0:40:50 | |
'was this rabbi of great importance. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
'And it was amazing for me to see Simcha | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
'write about his father' | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
the way that I would speak about my father. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
And just the whole idea that... | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
you know, there is this energy in your ancestry. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
It's more than just facts | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
and who was born where. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
Even we got to see through my great-grandmother's side, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
you know, in a much darker way, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
this kind of depression being passed down. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
Um, but on... | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
on the other side of the family, to see this amazing light coming through | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
and this amazing, you know, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
quest for knowledge and spirituality, | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
and seeing both sides of the family in myself. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
You know, it's just...amazing. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
Now that her journey is over, | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
Gwyneth is back home to visit her mother, Blythe Danner, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
and to share all she's learned about both sides of her family. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
OK, so this is your grandmother. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
Ida May Yetter. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
-And you had heard that she was born in Barbados. -Yeah, nobody knew more than that. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
She wasn't. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
Her mother was born in Barbados. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
Wow. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:00 | |
This has been a really valuable experience, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
in that I've come to understand all of these pieces of myself. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
And that's very impactful to me. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
One of the most interesting things about doing this | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
in general is, you see traits | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
-going through, you know? -Right. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
Like you'll see Grandpa's grandfather adoring his father. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
And one of the things that I loved in Rosemond | 0:42:21 | 0:42:26 | |
was this, like, wildness and this drive | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
that she seemed to have. Like, "I'll leave this place, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
"because I can't find a husband, I can't find a job. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
"There's something better out there for me." That kind of self belief | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
that I think that I feel in myself, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
and that I think you have. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:42 | |
It's cool, it was interesting to track... | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
to see those things in a really tangible way come down. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
Yes, and that you have, to me, the wisdom of the rabbis | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
and the smarts of your dad, and... | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
I wish that I could have told Daddy all of this stuff, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
because I think he would have been... | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
not only fascinated, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
but I think he would have found it really illuminating. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
-This was quite a journey, huh? It's pretty wonderful. -Yeah. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
-I'm so happy you had this opportunity. -Yeah. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
'The most interesting and important lesson that I've learned | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
'is that we need to take responsibility for all of our stories, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
'and teach our children about where we come from in both the good ways and the bad, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
'because the most meaningful thing about our histories | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
'is what we learn from them.' | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
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