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Actress Christina Applegate is going on a quest to uncover | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
what happened to the grandmother she never knew. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
What happened to you, Lavina? Where did you go? | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
She finds a family's downward spiral... | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
So they're really not doing well. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
..and a contentious battle over her father. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
I'm just angry at these two people. I'm so angry at them. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
Before her journey is over, | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
Christina discovers the truth about her grandmother's life... | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
Oh, my God. SHE GASPS | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
...and her death. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:30 | |
It's possible that everything my grandfather was saying was true. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
Finally closing the book on her father's troubled childhood. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
To have a deeper understanding and a deeper love for my dad, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
that's why I'm here. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
Born into a show business family, Emmy Award-winning actress | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
and producer, Christina Applegate, began her career in commercials, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
films and television series, before landing the break-out part of | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
ditzy bombshell Kelly Bundy in the hit comedy Married With Children. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:38 | |
The 11-year role catapulted Christina into superstardom. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
And, more recently, she's found success on both big | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
and small screens. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
Christina and her husband, Martyne LeNoble, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
are parents to two-year-old Sadie, and live in Hollywood, California. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
I was born here in Los Angeles. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
And I grew up in Laurel Canyon. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
My mom and dad separated when I was about five months old. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:07 | |
And he moved up to Big Sur. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
So, I grew up with my mom. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:11 | |
My dad and mother split up when I was so young. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
I didn't get to spend the kind of time with him | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
that I think either he or I would have liked to have spent. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
But since I've had Sadie, he's spent a lot more time down here, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
which has been really nice. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
You know, we're bonded because of blood, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
but we're also bonded because I'm part of him | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
and part of his personality. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
I know my grandfather's first name. His name is Paul, Paul Applegate. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
Now, my grandmother, I never met. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
We know she died young. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
And my father never knew her. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
I want to know why my grandmother couldn't take care of him. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
Not just because of her age. There has to be another reason. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
He's heard rumours of how she died, and it's pretty awful. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:03 | |
But I want to know if it's true. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
A couple years ago, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:09 | |
my sister was able to locate my father's birth certificate. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
She was able to get it through records in New Jersey. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
And on that, we learned his mother's name, Lavina. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Before that, my father did not know his mother's name if you asked him. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
I think I want to go on this journey | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
because I've watched my father be in a lot of pain of not knowing | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
who he is, and having to make up stories in his mind in order | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
to cope with whatever memories he's, he's pushing back. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
Um... I don't know if it's great to live a life that long with not | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
knowing who you are. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
'Today, my father's driving down from up north in northern California...' | 0:03:46 | 0:03:50 | |
-Hey, Dad. -Hey, pumpkin. How are you? -Good. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
'..so that we can sort of discuss what he remembers so I can...' | 0:03:54 | 0:04:00 | |
move forward and open up this book and close this book for him. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:06 | |
-So, all we have is this. -Yeah. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
Believe it or not, this is my birth certificate. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
Ah-ha. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:14 | |
New Jersey Department of Health - Bureau of Vital Statistics. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Wow. So it says here that you were born November 10th, 1942. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
-I know. And that amazes me. -Which would make you...71. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
Yeah, something like that - 70, 71. But here's the confusion. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
-I-I always thought I was older. And let me tell you why. -OK. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
-I'll tell you a little story. -Wait. No, it would make you 70. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
-70, yeah. -Oh, my God, of course, cos I was born... I'm sorry. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
-Yeah, well, math has never been one of our great subjects. -It's not. OK, so Lavina Shaw... | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
Yeah. Yeah. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
-..was your mother. And Paul Applegate, which we knew. -Yeah. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
Is the mother married to the father? Yes. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
OK... | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
-And the address is 522 Market Street, Trenton, New Jersey. -Yeah. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
OK. So, birthplace, hers was New Jersey and his was New Jersey. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
So, both of them were both born in New Jersey. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
Paul Applegate, we don't know where he came from. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Your grand... I mean, his parents. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
Well, his mother is the one that raised me. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
I thought it was HER mother. Oh, it was HIS mother? | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
What, my mother's mother? Oh, no, no. No, it was his mother. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
And then when my grandmother got to the point where she got a little | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
senile and older, that's when I finally went up to live with my dad, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:30 | |
and...I think I was 14. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
You know, him and I never really talked about too much. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
-And now what about Lavina? -Well, she died young. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
Yeah. When did you find that out? | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Because that I don't remember ever hearing. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
Yeah, my grandmother, very nonchalantly at the breakfast table, said, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
"Oh, by the way - your mother died." | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
You... And so she would have been like, what, how old, do you think? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
-Cos you would have been how old? -When she passed away? -Yeah. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
I'm going to assume I was like, seven, eight years old, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
so she had to be like 28, 29 years old maybe. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
Wow. I mean, what...? | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
This is some of the stuff I'm so interested in finding out. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
I know. What happened to her? Why? | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
You know, my grandmother told me a story that - | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
I don't know why you would ever tell a child something like this - | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
but she told me that she was found outside a bar, dead, beaten to death. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
And uh... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Yeah, I don't want... I don't want to think my mother was...yeah, died like that. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
-Well, let's hope that that's not true. -Yeah. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
Yeah, that's heavy. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Oh, Dad. This is crazy. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
-This is going to be crazy. -I know it is, yeah. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
-After all these years... -I know. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
..to finally get the chance to find out who I am. Who WE are. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
Christina knows that her grandmother's name | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
was Lavina Shaw, and that her grandparents lived in New Jersey. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
So to find out more, she's heading to Trenton, the state capital. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
I am hoping to find why my grandparents, Paul and Lavina, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:12 | |
made the decision to have my father live with his grandmother. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Or did they make that decision? | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
Was it a state decision? | 0:07:17 | 0:07:18 | |
Why couldn't they take care of him? | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
These are questions that I think my dad is fuzzy on and I really want to know. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
To get some advice on researching the life of Lavina and her family, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
Christina is meeting genealogist Joseph Shumway at the Office of Vital Statistics. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
Joseph has asked the state registrar to search for Christina's grandparents' marriage certificate, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:40 | |
while he examines Christina's father's birth certificate for any more clues. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
Here we have my father's name, Robert William Applegate, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
born to Paul Applegate and Lavina Shaw. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
And it does say the parents are married. And she was... | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
-She was 21. -..21 at the time. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
Which I guess back then wasn't that young to be married. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
No, it was not. No, it was... | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
-These days it's... -It was a pretty typical age. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
You know, you wait till you're 40. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
And the marriage record should give us very helpful information. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
Clues about Lavina before she married... | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
-And her parents too. -Right. -And all of that. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
-Hi. -Hi. We found something for you. -Great. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
We're in luck, we found your grandparents' marriage certificate. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
All right, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
the full name was Paul Schallar Applegate and Lavina Victorine Shaw. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:30 | |
-What an awesome name. -Yeah, isn't that an interesting and unique name? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
Lavina Victorine. I love it. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
And Schallar, or Shallar. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
And the other thing that it does give us here, which is very important, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
-is her birth date. -Yeah, that's right. October 9th, 1921. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
And she was 19. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
And they married Trenton, New Jersey in June of '41. OK. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
My grandmother's parents' name is Ovid. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
-So this is Ovid Shaw. -Yeah, Ovid Shaw. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
-And Lavina Weaver? -Right. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Interesting. Those are names I've never heard before. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
Christina has discovered her great-grandfather's name, Ovid Shaw, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
and that her grandmother, Lavina Shaw, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
was named after her mother, Lavina Weaver. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
But the question remains - | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
when and how did Christina's grandparents become estranged? | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
The residence, at least of my grandfather, I guess, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
-was... I can't read what that says. -Yeah, 271. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
271 East Front Street, Trenton, New Jersey. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
And she was 522 Market Street. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
So they weren't living together prior to that time. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
-When they got married. But you wouldn't back then. -Right. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
But it is interesting that she is living at 522 Market Street | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
which is the same address where she was living when your dad was born. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
-So, that... -OK. -..is a bit of a mystery. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
So maybe she was living on her own? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
Because I don't think they were... After my father was born, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
I don't think Lavina and Paul were together, | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
so that's where I would have to find, like, a divorce certificate | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
-kind of thing to find out where we go from there. -Right. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
What we can do is divide and conquer, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
where I can search to see if there was a divorce record. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
And so I will work on that to see if we can find information about Lavina after the marriage. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
What you can do is, with the new clues that we have here, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
it would be helpful to find out more information about Lavina | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
before she married, because if we learn more about a person's | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
earlier life, we can gather clues that maybe help us understand... | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
-Yeah. -..their choices better. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
And I would suggest making the next stop the Trenton Public Library... | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
-OK. -..which is a great resource for local Trenton history. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
-All right. -Thank you so much. -You bet. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
So, the marriage certificate was a great wealth of information | 0:10:37 | 0:10:42 | |
just to know my grandmother's parents' names. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
But it doesn't explain the question, which is what happened to Lavina, | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
where did she disappear to, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
why was she not in my father's life? | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
While Joseph is searching for court documents | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
about Christina's grandparents after 1941, when they married, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
Christina is going to the Trenton Free Public Library. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
She's meeting the library director, Kimberly Matthews, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
to try to investigate Lavina's early life. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
Kimberly has suggested looking for any mention of Lavina in the local papers. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
They're starting with the Trenton Evening Times. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
Since we're looking for that time period, you know, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
maybe a little before your grandmother was born, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
let's go ahead and put in... Let's say 1918 to 1941. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
All right. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
There we go. An engagement notice. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
1919. OK. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
-So there we have your great-grandparents. -Wow! | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
Oh... | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
That's so beautiful to see that. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
-Wow, that's Ovid. What a handsome guy. -Yeah. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:51 | |
He looks like my dad, he looks a lot like my dad. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
And look at you, Lavina, my great-grandmother. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
All right. Amazing. Wow. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
All right. What's this about? 1934. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
Uh-oh. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
Lavina and Delilah Shaw. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
Oh, my gosh. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Wow. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
OK. So, my grandmother, Lavina, she had a sister named Delilah. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
-Looks like. -OK. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
That is... That's my family. That's my dad's mouth. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
It's so awesome just to see it all, the threads... It's incredible. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
"Society Business Sessions, Card Parties and Benefit Affairs." | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
All right, "Daughters of Mr and Mrs Ovid Shaw, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
"who have returned from an extended visit | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
"with relatives and friends in Elizabeth. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
"During their visit, they made an automobile tour | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
"of parts of New York and Pennsylvania | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
"as the guests of Mr and Mrs Louis Leonard." | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
What happened, from this well-to-do family, and... | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
..to not take care of my dad? | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
So where do we go from here? | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
I think one of the next places we could go, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
since this is 1934 - why don't we check the 1940 census? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
-Lavina... -Shaw. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
OK. So here we go. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
OK, so there's the Shaw family. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
This is when they lived on Market Street. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
OK. So Market Street was her parents' house. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
My grandmother was 18... | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
Also, here's an interesting column which is weeks out of work. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
-Eight. -And so she's... | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Now, if we glance up, your great-grandfather... | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
-Was out of work for 12 weeks. -Mm-hm. -Wow. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
So... | 0:13:49 | 0:13:50 | |
-So it sounds like things are becoming a little more difficult. -They're not... OK. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
So, let's talk about this column right here. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
-OK. -These are the last grades attended. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
OK. So...eighth grade for my grandmother. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
OK. So, that's it. After eighth grade she was out of school. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
-Right. -I wonder why? | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
Now, in an urban setting it was actually more the average | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
that they would go to about the 11th and a half grade. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
But, by the time you've hit into the '40s now, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
the Depression has, has been here. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
-Everyone is struggling. So... -Right. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
..not getting past the eighth grade, that was common | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
to some degree for families that were struggling. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
As soon as the children became able to bring in another income | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
into the household, they would have wanted them to do that. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
But at this point, nobody's bringing anything into the household. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
-Mm-hm. It doesn't appear so. -Oh, God. That makes me sad. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
So it wasn't, you know, looking at this family, thinking of | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
living in this sort of well-to-do family, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
this was not what she was a part of, which explains a lot. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
What happened to you, Lavina, where did you go? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
Where did she drop out? | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
What I find really interesting is that Lavina remained at this address, 522 Market Street. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
She was there when she got married to my grandfather, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
she was there when she had my father... | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
Paul and Lavina, from what it seems, never actually lived together. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:30 | |
So what happened there, this is the big mystery - | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
why were these two people not together, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
why did they not have their child? | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
I really hope to find that out. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
Genealogist Joseph Shumway at the Office of Vital Statistics | 0:15:48 | 0:15:53 | |
has found a large number of court documents | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
relating to Lavina and Paul's marriage. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
To help decipher these court records, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
Christina is meeting family law professor Meredith Schalick | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
at the New Jersey State Library. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
OK. So the first document we're going to start with | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
is actually a complaint... | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
-A complaint. -..that was filed by your grandmother. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
-By my grandmother? -By your grandmother. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
-So she filed a complaint in 1942... -OK. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
..after they had separated. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:25 | |
-October... -Of 1942. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
OK. My father was born in November 1942, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
so my grandparents, they separated... | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
They separated before he was born. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:35 | |
So this complaint is actually | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
her attempt to enforce | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
the separation agreement that they created when they first separated. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
Wait a minute. When did they FIRST separate? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
Well... Do you want to take a look? | 0:16:48 | 0:16:49 | |
"Complainant, Lavina VS Applegate, says that following the said marriage, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
"she and the defendant resided in the said city of Trenton, New Jersey | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
"until or around the 10th day of August." Wow. Oh, really? | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
-Mm-hm. -OK. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
-So for a couple of months. -And then they separated. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
"The defendant after his marriage to complainant..." | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
OK, wait. Oh... | 0:17:09 | 0:17:11 | |
"..began to treat her cruelly and brutally, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
"accusing her of immoral acts, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
"charging her that she was guilty of adultery | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
"by reference calling her vile and indecent names..." Oh, God, Grandpa. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
"..and on various dates struck and... | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
"and beat her..." | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
"..on account of which she left him on or about the 10th day of August." | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
SHE SIGHS OK. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
"In October 1941, defendant left the city of Trenton | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
-"and took up his residence in Wilmington, Delaware." -Yes. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
So, my grandpa left. OK, so... | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
"But subsequently on or about the 10th day of January 1942, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
"Lavina returned to him in Delaware." | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
OK. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
And I think it's important to say | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
that she went back to him | 0:18:14 | 0:18:15 | |
-upon his promise to treat her properly. -Upon his pro... | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
"Not withstanding his promise, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
"the defendant did not treat her properly... | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
"..but resumed and continued his cruel... | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
"..brutal and abusive treatment of her, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
"and did on or about the 13th day of May | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
"pack most of complainant's clothes and personal effects | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
"and tell her to get back to Trenton." So he kicked her out. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
"On the following day defendant called for complainant | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
"and took her to the office of an attorney in Wilmington | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
"where an agreement was drawn and signed by both of them. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
"Complainant did on the 14th day of May 1942, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
"in consequence of cruel and abusive treatment | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
"leave him, and has ever since lived apart. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
"Under the terms and provisions thereof defendant | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
"covenanted to pay complainant the sum of 15 per week." | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
-So he then started giving her money. -Well, he was supposed to. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
-He had to. OK. So he was supposed to give her 15 a week. -That's right. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
-"Defendant has not made any of the weekly payments..." -Right. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
He didn't pay for anything. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
At least according to what she's saying. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
Oh... | 0:19:23 | 0:19:24 | |
It all is just like... It's making so much sense now. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
Like, she probably had my father, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
-and she can't take care of him because she's 21 years old. -Mm-hm. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
She can't get work. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Of course, my dad has to be raised by his grandmother. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
-All right. Let's see what happens here. -OK. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
So, what we don't have a copy of, but what I know from reading these documents, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
is back in the beginning of 1945 they divorced. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
At that time, the judge awarded custody to your grandmother. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
And Paul filed with the court | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
asking for custody of your father, in June of 1945. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
-So this is what we have as the most complete statement from Paul... -OK. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
-..about what's going on and why he thinks he should have custody. -OK. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
"In answer to my former wife's petition for alimony and counsel fees, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
"I say that I have read her petition and affidavit, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
"and the contents thereof are not true. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
"Particularly it is not true that my former wife | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
"is without means of support except from her exertions." | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
OK, so he's saying she is making money, she has a job. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
-I shouldn't have to pay her alimony. -I shouldn't have to pay it. OK. -OK. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
So next, my grandfather Paul claims that even though | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
he and my grandmother Lavina separated in May of 1942, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
he repeatedly asked her to reconsider, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
but she said no. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
"On January 10th, 1943 I learned that my wife had moved | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
"in with Michael Constant." | 0:20:49 | 0:20:50 | |
-So now he's saying that she's now living with this guy and my dad. -Yes. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:56 | |
"They were arraigned on the charges of adultery." | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
Because at that time adultery was against the law. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-OK. So he had them arrested. -Yes. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
This is not even... Is this like a joke? | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
This is insane. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
"She at that time made a statement | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
"that she thought she would happier if I would grant her a divorce." | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
So, my grandfather goes on to say that, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
although he agreed to divorce, he was still very much in love | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
with my grandmother and hoped to reconcile. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
Paul claims that one night Lavina asked him to pick up their son | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
and take him to her apartment while she was out. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
So Paul says he waited for her there | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
until early morning, at which time Lavina allegedly came home | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
in a drunken stupor, and they ended up having sex. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
So clearly, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
they were still having relations, according to my grandfather. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
But it also looks like Lavina | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
was still involved with this Michael Constant. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
My God, this is just nuts. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
"All this time the divorce was pending. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
"Finally the hearing came on. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:52 | |
"After I refused support for her, | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
"she accepted the money from me for the support of my son." | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
So child support, no alimony. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
All right. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:00 | |
So, these are the exhibits that attached to it, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
and then this is the doctor note. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
OK. "To whom it may concern. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
"This is to certify | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
"that I treated Robert William Applegate for pneumonia. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
"It was also my opinion that he was suffering from malnutrition." | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
Malnutrition... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
I'm just angry at these two people. I'm so angry at them. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:26 | |
-OK... -OK. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
All right. Let's see what's going on with her. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
So this is... | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
-Lavina's side. -This is Lavina's side to the whole thing. -That's right. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
June of '45. 1945. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
So Lavina refutes Paul's accusations, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
claiming that she never DID live with Michael Constant. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
Then she alleges that my grandfather was always drunk | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
and threatening, and that he never contributed to their baby's welfare. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
She asserts that she was a good mother, that she's never been | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
in a drunken stupor, and that in my dad's two and a half years | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
of life, the bout of pneumonia was the only time he was seriously ill. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
OK. But the doctor also said he was, he had malnutrition. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
And she's saying that she always cared for my father. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
They're... OK. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:14 | |
"I never left the baby alone. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:15 | |
"And when, for any reason, I was obliged to go out, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
"I placed him in the care of my mother, or Mrs Ann Graham, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
"who occupies the apartment above." OK. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
She included statements from Ann Graham. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
-This is her neighbour and landlord. -This is all? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Right. Sort of background about who she is. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
All right. "She's a good tenant. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
"She's never had any disturbances. She's always paid her rent. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
"There has never been any man in her apartment that stood there overnight. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
"In fact, I've never seen any other man there except for Paul Applegate. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
"I know that Mrs Applegate... | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
"idolises her baby | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
"and that she practically lives for him. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
"The baby has a sweet disposition and is as healthy as babies come." | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
What's interesting to me, though, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
is in her rebuttal, she never makes mention of the abuse any more. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
Wouldn't you think that | 0:24:04 | 0:24:05 | |
if you were trying to win a custody battle, that you would say | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
this guy is an abusive... beat me to a pulp, alcoholic. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
That's interesting. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:15 | |
-Because if it was me, I would. Know what I mean? Let's skip on. -OK. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
This is the last court document we were able to find. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
-OK. -OK. -All right. Goodness. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
-So this is the... -The final order. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:25 | |
-..final order from... -This is... -June, so... -..June 1945. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
After reviewing both sides, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
-this is what now the judge has come to an agreement on. -That's right. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
Of what's going to happen to my father. OK. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
So just before we go on to sort of what the judge ordered, just a little bit of context. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
At this point in the United States, when children were young, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
the courts almost automatically always gave custody to the mother. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
So, the only way that Paul could get custody | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
was to prove Lavina unfit. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
-Interesting. OK. -OK? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
"After duly considering the petitions, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
"it appears that the defendant has failed to show, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
"by a preponderance of evidence, that the petitioner is unfit | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
"and unqualified to retain custody of the infant child. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
"And that his welfare is best served by remaining in the custody | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
"of the mother." | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
He's going to continue to live with his mother. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
He said he never knew his mother | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
and yet he lived with her for all of these years. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
-OK. -Well, at least until... -At least until this was signed. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
Right. This is about, he's about two and a half. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
Because maybe she is completely unfit, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
and they have to take him away from her. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
-OK. -Unfortunately, this is the last | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
court order that we were able to find. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
But I want to know how he ends up at his grandmother's. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
I would love to be able to tell you right now. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
"Here's a court order from 1947, and this is what happened." | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
But we don't have that. And there could be lots of reasons | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
why there aren't any other court orders. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
You know, they could be lost. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:00 | |
It could have been a private arrangement. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
The other thing is that Lavina may have passed away. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
And that could be why custody was changing at that point. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
Yeah. That's what happened. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
So, do you know when your grandmother passed away? | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
OK. My dad said he was probably around eight. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:19 | |
-I think that we can go next door... -Yeah, OK. -..to the State Archives. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
We might be able to find out when your grandmother passed away, if there's a death certificate. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
-OK. -All right. -All right. Let's do it. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
How about we go next door? | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
'I think I knew coming in that there was something that was going to be' | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
relatively undesirable. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
But I don't think that that prepared me at all | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
for what I found out. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:44 | |
'It's hard to really be attached to one side of the story | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
'or the other side of the story.' | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
And I don't want to think ill thoughts about either of these people, but... | 0:26:52 | 0:26:57 | |
you know, I do. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
And it's sad, because those are my grandparents. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
Meredith has already called ahead to Joe Klett, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
who's an archivist at the New Jersey State Archives. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
She's asked him to see | 0:27:13 | 0:27:14 | |
if he can find a death certificate for Christina's grandmother. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
But since Lavina may have remarried, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
Joe has been looking for a Lavina Applegate, Shaw or Constant. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
Christina's dad says he was about eight | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
when he was told his mother died. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
So, Joe's been looking for death certificates from around 1950. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
I don't know if that's the right certificate. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
-Yeah, this is it. -We didn't find anything under the other names. -This is it. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
This is her, because this is 522 Market Street. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
522 Market Street. Deed of Death, February 18th, 1946. OK. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:49 | |
-But... -Wait a minute. What? | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
Oh, this is her mother. Yeah, because there's Jacob Weaver. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
-Oh, yep. -She's a Weaver. -OK. -So, this is all we got. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
Well, it did say that she died in 1946. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
-She dies in... -So that was soon after the custody battle. -Right. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
And I'm remembering Lavina said that her mother used to watch Bob | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
-for her a lot while she was working. -Yeah. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
-So maybe now her mother has passed away... -Right. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
..in addition to one of the childcare providers for her son. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
And that could be when my dad went | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
-to live with his paternal -grandmother. Maybe. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
All right. What does this mean for me here? | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
Maybe we should look online, to see if we can find maybe any newspaper articles or something, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:39 | |
-you know... -OK. -..involving her name. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
And see, you know, maybe we can hit something there. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
-Want to try that? -OK. Let's do that. -OK. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
Why don't we do newspaper archives for New Jersey? | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
I think maybe we should search by just her first name, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
-because her first name is so unusual. -It's odd, yeah. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
OK. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
OK. And then, let's see. Let's do "died". | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
-1955. -So let's click on that | 0:29:04 | 0:29:06 | |
and see if that first one gives us anything. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
-No. Walton? -Lavina Walton. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
Oh, my God. "Mrs Lavina V Walton, aged 33, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:20 | |
"died at her home yesterday after a brief illness. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
"She was the wife of Charles Walton. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
"In addition to her husband, she is survived by son, Robert Applegate." | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
There is no... Can't find a death certificate. Oh, Lavina Walton. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
-Well, now we have a last name. -Thank you. OK. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
-Now we have a different last name to search under. -OK. Let's do it. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
-Let's see if we can find Joe to... -Aged 33. She was married to... | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
Did you find some new information? | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
Yes, we did. We want to look under a Lavina Walton. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
-Walton? -Uh-huh. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:51 | |
-And what's the date of death? -1955, April 1st. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
OK. Well, we'll see what we can find. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
-Great, thank you. -Great. Thanks, Joe. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
So, does '55 match up with about when... | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
-Uh-uh. -..your dad has a memory of? No? -Uh-uh. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
-'55, my dad would have been 13. -13. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
But he says he lived with his grandmother the whole time before that. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
So his mother dies when he's around 13. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
And I know he went to go live with his father when he was 14. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
Was he, like, still living with her, or...? | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
But no, he swears up and down it was his grandmother. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
-He was with his grandmother at the time. -So, his grandmother raised the kids. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
-I don't know, maybe this will open something up for him. -Maybe. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:33 | |
-I think we found your certificate. -Oh, my goodness. OK. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
-"Lavina Walton, died March 30th, 1955." -OK. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:48 | |
"She died of pulmonary tuberculosis with effusion | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
"and cirrhosis of the liver, due to chronic alcoholism." | 0:30:52 | 0:30:58 | |
Wow. | 0:30:58 | 0:30:59 | |
So... | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
..it's possible everything that my grandfather was saying was true. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
OK. She's buried... | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
-OK. -And it says... -At Riverview... | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
-..Riverview Cemetery in Trenton, New Jersey. -So, she's here. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
Yeah. Less than a mile away from here. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
All right. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:26 | |
I guess we'll have to check her out. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
Ay-yi-yi! | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
-Well, I know it wasn't all the answers you wanted. -No. -But I think it gave you... | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
I know. I know that we can't, we can't find the whys... | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
-Unfortunately. -..but, at least, you know, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
my father can know that her death wasn't something, you know, brutal. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:52 | |
And that she just died of a disease. She died of a really bad disease. | 0:31:53 | 0:32:00 | |
All right, thank you so much. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
Well, it was really great to meet you. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:03 | |
Thank you. It was nice to meet you, too. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
'It's a sad story of a woman who had to be sacrificed | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
'because of this disease. It can destroy many families.' | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
And, consequently, lines of people after that. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
'And, you know, my father has lived his life thinking that it was | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
'something really horrible that happened to Lavina.' | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
So, it's really unfortunate. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
'It's very possible that | 0:32:30 | 0:32:31 | |
'when my great-grandmother passed away my grandmother had to | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
'give him up because she couldn't take care of him. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
'I mean, that's what I feel happened. But I will never know.' | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
But it's been worth it for me to see | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
who these people are and really, at the end of the day for me, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
the lesson of who my father is, you know. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
'And to have a deeper understanding and a deeper love for my dad.' | 0:32:55 | 0:33:01 | |
That's why I'm here. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:02 | |
I have asked my father to come here to Trenton | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
so I can sit down with him and share with him the information. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
'I know some of the story is going to be really difficult for him to hear.' | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
-How are we doing? -I'm good. How are you? | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
-Good, good. -OK. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
-Yeah, here we go, huh? -Yep. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
All right, let me preface this by saying that | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
I have received a lot of information. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
But I think that everything that I've abridged it down to here is | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
going to kind of help you understand, I think, who your mother was. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:52 | |
OK. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:53 | |
The first stuff that I, that I found is they put a picture in the paper. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:59 | |
So this would have made your mother about 14. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
And there's your mom. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
There's your mom. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:05 | |
HE SOBS | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
-Oh! -I know. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
'You know, we're not unique, this Applegate family.' | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
We're just one of the darker ones, you know. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
'But what we all want to do is move forward, you know, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
'keep growing and changing and becoming better.' | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
June 7th of 1941, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
your parents were married. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
'I mean, I hope that over time, that he can heal from this. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
'And we right the wrongs. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
'And the good in the scenario is the word forgiveness.' | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
I hope that he's found some forgiveness to his mother. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
Your mother passed away in 1955. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
She was 33 years old. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Wow. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:58 | |
-This is an awful death. -You were 13 years old. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
-13? -You were 13. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
-I thought I was younger. -Uh-uh. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
Pulmonary tuberculosis | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
and cirrhosis of the liver from chronic alcoholism. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
Oh, God. My mother was an alcoholic. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Yeah. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
That's not what I expected, obviously. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
Is there any good in here, anywhere? | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
Want me to tell you what the good is? | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
-I'd like to have a... -All right. -..moment of happiness, yeah. Jeez. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Here's the good, Dad. The beauty of this | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
is that you can be incredibly proud that you broke the pattern. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
And that you raised all of us | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
with giving us strength | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
and intelligence | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
and talent and fight in us. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:58 | |
And you did that with no help from anyone, Dad. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
Yeah. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
And that's pretty amazing. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
That's how I feel at the end of this whole thing. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
This is the good part of the story. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
Well, that's, that's good enough for me. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
-Yeah. -Thank you. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
You're welcome, Daddy. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:21 | |
Wow. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
I hope that he has pride, because he was given nothing to work with. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:30 | |
'But there is so much light that's happening now.' | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
There is so much goodness. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
And I hope he can take that with him, you know. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
'So, my dad and I are heading out to Riverview Cemetery | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
'and just hoping we can have some closure for my father | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
'that he's been looking for for his whole life.' | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
All right. Here's Lavina Shaw Walton. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
OK. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:01 | |
These are our burial cards. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:02 | |
So, we have those on each of the individuals. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
And then, based on this, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
we can go to the lot card. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
-This is the, the lot number... -171. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
171, which is here. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
Now, there's no monument there. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
It would be shown on this. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
-So you're going to have to... -Kind of look down on the ground. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
-Right. -OK. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:27 | |
And on this card, you can find out who's been buried here. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:33 | |
OK. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
What's that? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
They bought a plot for you. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
My mom bought a plot for me? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
She wanted you to be buried with her. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
Oh, God. I wish I would have known her. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
Yeah. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
Yet, not ever even knowing her, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
she cared for me. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
She loved me. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
-Daddy. -Yeah. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:08 | |
OK, Mom. What can I say? Thank you. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:17 | |
OK. Let's go find this. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
OK. What, look down here? Yeah. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
-171 is the one that we want to... -171. -..see. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
Right here. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
Oh, God. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:45 | |
I'm going to get you a monument, Mom. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
I promise you. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
'As dark as it is, there will be, on the other side of this, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
'a man who's 70 years old who knows who he is. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
'And he knows where he came from.' | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
And I hope, I really, really hope with all my heart | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
that at the end of the process, he really sees what a miracle he is. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:22 | |
-OK. I'm going to take these out. -Yeah. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
Give them some colour. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:28 | |
-I want to arrange them. -OK. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
'We've hugged more in the last couple of days than we have in 41 years.' | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
He's looked at me with different eyes, you know. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:45 | |
I've looked at him with different eyes. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
And we're for ever bonded because of this. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 |