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Actor and dancer Una Stubbs was born in Hertfordshire in 1937. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:09 | |
Today, she lives in London, as do two of her three sons. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
In a career spanning almost 60 years, | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Una came from the chorus line to take on a wide variety of roles - | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
from starring with Cliff Richard in Summer Holiday | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
to playing Alf Garnett's daughter in Till Death Us Do Part, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
and now Mrs Hudson in the series Sherlock. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
Family is all we have in the end, Mycroft Holmes. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
-Oh, shut up, Mrs Hudson. -Mycroft! | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
There were no other performers in the family, apart from me, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
which is strange, but I was sent to a local dancing school, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
La Roche, in Slough, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
and because I was so hopeless at school, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
"What are we going to do with her? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
"Oh, she's quite good at dancing!" Off she went. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
It's quite exciting, it's like an adventure. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
How far back do you know? | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
I've no idea about my past. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
'I feel so excited about this journey.' | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
I just hope I don't blub and make a fool of myself. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
On my mother's side, I know that her grandfather was Sir Ebenezer Howard, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:17 | |
the innovator of new towns, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Welwyn Garden City and Letchworth. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
But what's so strange is that we knew nothing about my father's family, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
he never introduced us to his parents. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
I don't even know their names, that's strange. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
-Did he talk about...? -No, never met them, never saw them. He never brought them, he never... | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
-But we never asked, I mean, we never even... -No. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
So what I'd really like to know now is about my father's background | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
and why, why, why? | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
I'm longing to know. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
This is an album my mother put together... | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
so I should find some stuff in this. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
Oh, that was my first coat. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
I was so proud of it and I was just off to work. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
Just 16 when I got into the chorus at the Palladium, with Norman Wisdom. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
Look at the length of it. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
What did it look like? | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Got one all together, it would be nice. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
Oh, yes, there's one here, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
a lovely one of all of us together. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
This is my sister Claire, and my brother Paul | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
and that's me - big fat tummy. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:03:05 | 0:03:06 | |
Ah, we look really happy there. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
My father was a real family man, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
somebody who everybody adored, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
even strangers in the street would smile at him | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
and just such... Somebody said to me, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
"When they were handing out fathers, you were at the front of the queue," | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
and I was. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
But my mother wasn't a very sociable woman. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
She did suffer from depression sometimes, was quite moody, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
which made it difficult for us, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
but they stuck by each other, which people did in those days. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
Ah, there's my dad and me. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
It's so strange looking at this wonderful man now, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
friendly, chummy, funny. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Why didn't we meet his parents? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
So strange. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Oh, I hope we can find out. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Una knows that her father, Clarence, Clarry Stubbs, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
grew up in Yorkshire, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
but she knows nothing else | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
about his background. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:08 | |
To start her search for information, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
she is going to see the only relative she is in touch with | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
from her father's side of the family, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
her cousin Jocelyn Stackhouse. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
Well, I have asked Jocelyn about my father's family before, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
but she didn't come up with much, so I'm going to nail her to the wall | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
and say, "Tell us more, please." She must know more than I know. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
Yes, hello. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
-Hello, I don't know if your bell's working. Hello, Jocelyn. -Hello! | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Jocelyn and her husband David have invited another cousin to meet Una. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
Come in. And we have our cousin Carol. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
-Carol. -Hello, Una. I'm Alwyn's daughter. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
Oh, my gosh. Hello! | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
David. Ah. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
-Would you like a cup of tea? -Course I would. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
Jocelyn and Carol share the same Stubbs grandparents as Una, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
but, unlike Una, they knew them well. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
What's this? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
We have started a family tree here. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
-Now, Albert is my dad. -Yes. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
And then, Clarry, your dad. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
-Yeah. -And Carol's dad. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
I see. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
There were six boys. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:28 | |
God, there were a lot of them. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
Annie, our grandmother, and Arthur, our grandfather. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
You know, I never met them. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
I never met Annie and Arthur. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
I didn't know that's what their names were. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
-Ah! -I had no idea. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
So it's really extraordinary, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
Annie and Arthur. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
Have you got a picture of them? | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
Yes. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:51 | |
Ah, all these photographs. Ah. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
That's our grandmother and our grandfather. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
Oh, bless them. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
What was she like? | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
She was so lovely, Annie. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
I just loved being with her. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
I think there's something about her. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
She was spicy and, you know, she was unconventional | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
and she loved life and lived for the moment | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
and she was always regaling me about her dancing and, you know, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
she loved having a drink and all of that, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
which maybe some people might not have quite approved of. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
But she was a strong person | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
-and her bairns, as she called them, were everything to her. -Yes. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
She sounds knockout, I think. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
Oh, no, she was a character. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
And Arthur? What was he like? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Granddad was just a lovely, kindly, funny chap. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
I think Annie was the boss, anyway. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
He just did what was he was told. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:53 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
-He was lovely and he adored her. -Oh, he did. -Absolutely adored her. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
So when did Annie die? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
-1960. -Yes. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
I would have been in my 20s. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
So you were already well on your way. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
Doing my bit. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
She was very proud of you. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Oh, yes, she was. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:15 | |
-Really? -Yes, yes, very. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
Very. When you started out in show business | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
and, you know, television and things, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
because dancing was very important to her. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
She loved dancing and I think she'd think | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
that's her influence on you coming out. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
-Well, it's... Genetically, maybe. -She would have thought that. -Yes. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
Ah. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
I'm just puzzled why I never met Arthur and Annie. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
-No. -I don't know why. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
No, I think your mother, actually...something to do with it. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
I think she felt they were a bit lower in her esteem. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
Ooh. Do you think that's the reason? I mean... | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
I think she was shy as well, I think some of it was shyness. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
Reserve. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
But I think they overwhelmed her. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
In those days, to be fair also, there was more of a stigma | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
-about things that weren't quite... -Right. -Right. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
And I don't... I mean, Granny Stubbs was fantastic, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
but she'd had quite a colourful life. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
-Yeah. Well, of course, my father... -Albert. -Albert. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
-Is not Arthur's son. -Oh. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
He was born out of wedlock. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
Your father is Arthur's son, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
but Annie and Arthur hadn't married when Clarry was born. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:34 | |
Oh. But he was definitely their son? | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
-Oh, yes, absolutely, yes. -Yes, yes. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
You cannot imagine what it feels like just to see their names up there. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
-Yes. -I have no idea about anything about them. -No. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
Absolutely no idea. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
So the family was from Yorkshire? | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
The city of York, yes. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
-The city of York. -City of York. -Not just Yorkshire, York. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
-Yes. -So I suppose York would be the place to find out more. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
The conversation with my cousins | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
was obviously wonderful to hear all those stories, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
but I'm ashamed to say I felt terrific envy, you know, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
and I'm... I felt quite moved by it, you know, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
and seeing the photographs which... Jocelyn gave me the photograph. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
Seeing her little face, you know? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
I know how somebody who sees the photograph of a parent that they didn't know, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:35 | |
and it has the same feeling for me of seeing a granny that I never knew | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
and her sweet little face and I know I would have loved her. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
I love the sound of her character, you know? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
And a little toughie and... Aw. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Her little wrinkled stockings and her feet jammed into these shoes. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
They probably don't fit. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
And Arthur. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
He sounds a lovely man. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:00 | |
I have a clearer idea now why I didn't meet them | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
and I think that maybe my mother found my father's family | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
a bit overwhelming. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
You know, I'm trying to think the best possible way. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
It's quite extraordinary that I was in my 20s, I think, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
and they were still alive. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
Well, certainly, my granny was. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
And perhaps I shan't think about that too much, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
cos that's even more frustrating. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
You know, to hear that she was proud of me, and I didn't know. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
Oh. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
Una's cousins told her that her grandmother Annie's maiden name was Robinson. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
Una's using this information to try to find out more about her. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
Yesterday, I rang the registry office to order the birth certificate for Annie, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:22 | |
so we're going to start at the beginning of her life, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
which is really exciting. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
-Annie Robinson. -Annie Robinson. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
Annie Robinson. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
Oh, ho. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
-I'll give you a receipt for your money there. -And this is it? -That's it. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
Beautiful, thank you very much, thank you. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Oh, I'll have a little look in here. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
So Annie was born in York... | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
..mother was Eliza Robinson. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
What a romantic name, Eliza Robinson. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
No name for the father - | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
it's just a dash for the father. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
Maybe he's dead or... I don't know. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
Una has questions about Annie's birth certificate. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
Archivist Victoria Hoyle has agreed to help her. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
Was it father deceased? | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
-Well, when you see a gap in the birth certificate like this... -Yes. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:28 | |
-..we would assume that Annie is illegitimate. -Oh. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
So Eliza was unmarried at the time | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
and that's very common that the father is simply omitted, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
-just left off the birth certificate altogether. -Oh, that's sad. -Yes. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
And it can be very difficult, if not impossible, to trace him. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
-Really? -Yes. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
But I'm pretty certain | 0:12:49 | 0:12:50 | |
we'll be able to find some more information on Annie herself. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
Ah, hopefully, hopefully. Thank you. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
You can't imagine how exciting this is. And slightly nerve-wracking. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
-Yes, well, you never know what you're going to find. -No, no. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
Now, we have a lot of the information we need to get started | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
from the birth certificate. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
So we can have a look at a census, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
which is a very good source of information about families. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
I hate computers. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
Don't worry, it's very... It's actually quite easy to use, the search. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
So we know that she was born in 1884. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
So we would like to look at the 1891 census. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
-So she'll be six. -She'll be six years old. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
-So we'll hit "search" and we'll see what we come back with. -Yes. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:38 | |
So... | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
Annie Robinson, Annie Robinson. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
Now, our first one, if we look at the date of birth. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
1887 - so it's not right. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
-This one looks much more likely. -Yeah. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
And have a look at the original census form | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
and it tells you the relationships of all the people. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
Oh, wow! Annie Robinson. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
There she is, there she is. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
So if we zoom in a little bit, just so it's a bit clearer... | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
-What is it? -That actually says "adopted". | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
-Ah. By who? -So... | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
-Joe. -Joe Horsfull. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Who's the head of the family. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:18 | |
He's the head of the family and it tells us his profession. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
It's basket-maker. And if we follow Joe's line across... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
-Blind. -Yes. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:26 | |
-So Joe was blind. -Joe was blind. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
And then below is his wife. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
-Mary. -Mary. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
And then, below that, their daughter Lydia and then Annie. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
-And Annie. -Yes. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
Maybe the basket-making brought in a little income, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
but it wouldn't be that much, so they couldn't be very well off. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
-I think they would have been a lower-income family. -Yes. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
But bless them for taking on little Annie as well, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
cos it couldn't have been easy. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
-Yeah. -What age do you think she was when she was adopted? | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
-Unfortunately, there's no way of us finding that out. -Isn't there? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
We know that it was at some point between her birth date and six. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Ah. And do we know anything more | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
about how long Annie was staying with the Horsfulls or...? | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
-Well, we can look at the next census. -Yes. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
-So in 1901, there was a census. -16. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
She would have been 16. Here we go. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
Can you see her on there? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
-Annie. -Annie. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
And if you notice, it says daughter. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
-Ah. -She's been absorbed... -Yes. -..into the family. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
But it's just these people living in the house, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
and we now see that Mary is the head. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
-Oh. -Head, so... -That means Joe has died. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Joe is no longer with them. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
So, little Annie carries on being fatherless, because Joe's gone. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
-He had. -And her daddy... | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
-Oh, bless her. -Yeah. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
Another thing, Victoria, which you might not know, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
was that my cousins told me yesterday that Annie's first child, | 0:15:56 | 0:16:01 | |
who is Jocelyn's father, was also born out of wedlock, like Annie. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
Well, I did find a birth certificate for her first child. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
-Albert. -Albert. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
And it tells us the date that he was born. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
October 1903, so she was 18. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
Oh, workhouse. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
Yes. She was in the workhouse when... | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
-Annie! -..Albert was born. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
-Why? -So this doesn't tell us why | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
and it doesn't give us any more information | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
than that she must have been at that time without any support. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
Any support at all. So the Horsfulls might have died or...? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
We don't know why Annie was in the workhouse | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
and what happened to her after. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
Oh, bless her. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Bless her wrinkled stockings. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
Oh. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:56 | |
It's extraordinary - | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
yesterday I knew nothing about her | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
and now I've found out so much. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
You know, I was so shocked to see that Annie had been in the workhouse, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
and to give birth in a workhouse, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
I'd like to find out more about what went on in workhouses generally. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
Um...you know, just to know how she coped while she was in there. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
The building that was once York Workhouse still exists. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
Is that it? | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
Ooh, it looks like a prison. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Oh, my goodness. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:43 | |
Oh, dear, imagine arriving there. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Today, the building's used as student accommodation. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
-So this is it? -This is it. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
Peter Higginbotham has researched the history of workhouses. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
-I've only just found out that my granny was here in 1903. -Right. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:05 | |
But I don't know why she was here. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
Well, the first thing to say about the workhouse is | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
that people weren't sent to the workhouse or put in the workhouse. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
Really? | 0:18:13 | 0:18:14 | |
They resorted to the workhouse is probably the best way of putting it. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
-You know, when they had no other options left in the world. -No. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
You know, they would end up knocking on the door of the workhouse. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
I know that she had a baby illegitimately, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
so I don't know if that drove her to come in here. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Well, if you were pregnant, poor, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
-and, particularly, if you were single... -And not married. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
..the workhouse often was really the only option that you had. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
-Yes. And this is pre-National Health, isn't it? -Exactly, yeah. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
Right, now, the first thing we must look at is... | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
the workhouse birth register. I don't know, if you look down, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
whether you can find a name you recognise. It's a bit murky but... | 0:18:49 | 0:18:54 | |
Horsfull, Anne. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
Well spotted. All right, OK, so... | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
Albert. | 0:18:58 | 0:18:59 | |
-That's the one. -Illegitimate. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
This has got the whole page full of births. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
Oh, look at them all. Oh! | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
So virtually every person on the page was illegitimate. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
Would you know how long she was in here for? | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
Well, we do, actually, as another interesting record tells us so. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:20 | |
-So what we've got here is the date of her... -Her admission. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:25 | |
-Which is... -29th. -..of... -Of September. -OK. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
So that was about two weeks before the birth | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
and we've also, right at the end there, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
got the date of her departure. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
Which was 2nd November. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
So, altogether, she was here about five weeks, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
two weeks before the birth and three weeks after. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
-Really for the birth. -Yeah. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
By the early 20th century, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
all the major workhouses in England had medical facilities, | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
often in separate infirmary blocks. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Poor people, like Annie, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
who were not long-term inmates of the workhouse | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
were increasingly using these infirmaries like local hospitals. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
But unlike today, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
hospitals were not considered the best option for health care. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Rich people would have doctors treat them at home, even for surgery. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
For the rest, voluntary hospitals could provide some treatment, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
but they didn't admit unmarried pregnant women. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
Girls in this position were often forced to turn to the workhouse infirmary. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
Was it the sort of hospital you'd want to come into or...? | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
-It would be basic. -Yeah. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
The workhouse infirmary had probably 400 or 500 people | 0:20:35 | 0:20:41 | |
in need of medical care, in Annie's day, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
and looking after them, there were probably | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
-about six trained, paid nurses. -Yeah. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
With a whole team of untrained pauper assistants, inmates, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
who actually got paid in kind of beer and food | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
for an incentive to help with the nursing. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
-So it wouldn't be great, would it? -It wouldn't be great, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
-and because a lot of the elderly came here in their final days... -Yeah. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
-..again, it was the only place that was open to them. -Yeah. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
The workhouse got a reputation of being the place you went to die. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
-Oh. -And that kind of rubbed off, really, generally. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
So a little girl coming here with her baby, or to have her baby... | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
-must have been terrifying. -Hmm, yeah. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
But do we know what happened to Annie and little Albert next? | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
Well, we lose track of them for a while in documents, | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
-but we do pick them up five years later... -Oh. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
-..on the next thing I want to show you. -Gone goosey. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
And in 1908, we find a birth certificate of Annie's second child. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
Oh. My father! | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
Oh. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:50 | |
Oh. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:53 | |
Oh, lovely. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
And you'll see 25th October. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
Now, if we go further across, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
name and surname of father. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
None. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
Well, none recorded, yeah, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
-which she's...finds herself in the same situation. -Yes. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
-But this time, the birth was... -Not in a workhouse. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
Not in a workhouse, exactly, | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
-so, presumably, things have moved on in her life. -Yes, hopefully. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
Either she had some family support, or maybe having been here once... | 0:22:23 | 0:22:29 | |
-Yes. -..anything would be better... -Would be better than that. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
-..than coming back again. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
And so, this is where he was born, 50 Rose Street. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
That's actually not very far from here, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
-so we could maybe go and track it down. -I'd love to. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
It's only a short walk from the workhouse to Rose Street. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
28, 32... | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
-There we are. -48. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
Number 50. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:02 | |
This one? | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
Yeah, that's it. Number 50. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
So this is... | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
-Where my father was born. -Yeah. -Ah, bless him. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
And the next bit of paper we have is a marriage certificate. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:23 | |
Ah. Hopefully Annie's. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
Now... | 0:23:27 | 0:23:28 | |
Ah, Annie Robinson, Arthur Stubbs. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:34 | |
23. And he was 19, so he was younger and he took her on. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
-Yeah. -Good old Arthur. -Yeah. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
Now, we've got their residencies at the top of the marriage. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
-Rose Street. -Now, Arthur living at 50 Rose Street, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
-which was where Clarry was born. -Clarry was born. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
Annie was living at... | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
45. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
45 Rose Street, which I think is actually... | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
Ooh! | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
-..straight across the street. -Oh! | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
So it seems as if your father was born in Arthur's house. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
Maybe he had more room. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
-Hmm. -But how sweet, they were opposite. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
That's amazing, isn't it? | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
Five months after Una's father, Clarry, was born, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
his parents Annie and Arthur married, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
and Arthur also adopted Annie's first child, Albert. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
I've seen a picture of Arthur and he looks such a dear, dear man. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:34 | |
Bless his heart. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:35 | |
Can we follow the family on? | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
Well, we can. Two years later, we've got the 1911 census. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
So the first thing we'd look at is the address, 21 Beaconsfield Street. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
And Beaconsfield Street we can actually see on the map here, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
so there's Rose Street and just... | 0:24:55 | 0:25:00 | |
-There. -Literally a stone's throw away, we've got Beaconsfield Street. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
The houses were all pulled down in the slum clearance in the 1970s, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
-but very similar type of house. -Yes. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
So how long did they stay in Beaconsfield Street? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
-About 20 years, I believe. -Oh! | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
-So eventually there were six sons, a daughter, a mummy and dad. -Yeah. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:22 | |
-All in this little house. -Nine of them, in just three rooms. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
-Three rooms. -Three rooms really means one downstairs. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
-Tiny rooms. -And just two upstairs bedrooms. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
So it must have been really hard. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
-Well, they would have been sleeping on the floor, almost. -Yeah. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
And the costs of feeding nine mouths must have been quite a struggle for them. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
Yes. Do you know if Arthur had a profession or...? | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
Well, in fact, it tells us on the census. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
His occupation... | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
Confectioner. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:50 | |
-And he worked for a...? -A chocolate manufacturer. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
If we go back to our map... | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
..Rose Street | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
and if we open it out... | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
Ah. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:05 | |
Rowntree's factory... | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
This is so extraordinary, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
cos I was the Rowntree's Chocolate Girl, Dairy Box, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
-for years and I came... -Hmm. -..I came to the factory to visit. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:22 | |
-Ah. -And I remember all of the factory workers | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
-all hanging out the windows going, "Una, Una!" -Ah. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
-Yeah! But I never knew that my grandfather worked there. -Oh. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
I never knew the connection. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
How extraordinary! | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
In the early 1900s, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
Rowntree's Cocoa Works was one of the biggest businesses in York, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
employing over 4,000 people, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
among them, Una's grandfather, Arthur Stubbs. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
I mean, I've been thinking about Annie all this time | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
and now I'm going on to Arthur and finding about him, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
and he was such a lovely man, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
I think, for what he took on and bless him, and he was so young. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
Apparently, he worked at the Rowntree's factory, which is here, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
just round the corner from where they lived. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
Today, the old factory is no longer in use, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
but chocolate is still manufactured on the site. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
-Hello, are you Alex? -Hello, I'm Alex. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
-I'm so pleased to meet you. Hello. -Lovely to meet you. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
Company archivist Alex Hutchinson | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
has been looking for Una's grandfather, Arthur, in the records. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
-Now, we did find some records of your family. -Yes. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
But it was a little bit difficult, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
because as I searched for Stubbs, there was another Stubbs | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
-that kept appearing hundreds and hundreds of times. -No. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
-And I can show you which one. -No, please not. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
# My girl is sent by Dairy Box | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
# Sent by Dairy Box centres | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
# My girl is sent by Dairy Box | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
# She's a Dairy Box girl... # | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
Oh, for goodness' sake. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
I must have been early 20s - 20, 21. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
Our earliest commercial in the collection of yours is 1955. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
-There they are. -So in the first year of commercial television, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
-you had television adverts. -Yes. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
You were a pioneer. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:14 | |
A little over the top, Una. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
# My girl is sent by Dairy Box... # | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
-Oh! -We all really like them. -No, don't. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
-We play them on the television in the reception area. -Stop it. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
-Stop it! -There are loads. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
-# She's a Dairy Box girl... # -I quite like it. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
Thank you. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:34 | |
Rowntree's originally built their business, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
not on solid chocolate, which was expensive, but on cocoa, as a drink. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:42 | |
Like the other Quaker families, the Cadburys and the Frys, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
they were attracted to producing cocoa drinks | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
because they offered an alternative to alcohol. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
Their Quaker values also made the Rowntrees progressive employers. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
Joseph Rowntree and his son Seebohm introduced a five-day week, | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
employed a works' doctor and dentist, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
and brought in one of the first occupational pension schemes. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
Most radical of all, they established a works' council, | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
giving employees a say in the running of the business. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
Now, we've had a look for your grandfather Arthur | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
and this is the company magazine, | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
and this was like Facebook for the Rowntree employees. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
There would be entrants for any children they had | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
or if they were married, they would send in an entry. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
If someone was promoted... | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
All of life is here and so, this is from 1920. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
And this is what? | 0:29:35 | 0:29:36 | |
This photograph is of the Central Works Council. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
-It was like a parliament for Rowntree's. -Yeah. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:42 | |
This chap here, Seebohm Rowntree, he decided that he wanted employees | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
to be able to make decisions about the future of their workplace, | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
and so, there was a representative, like an MP, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
for each department in the company. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
-So your grandfather was sort of MP for the almond department. -Ah! | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
-Is that him? -That's him there. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
Smiling away. Ah, look at him. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
You can see my father in him. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
I can't imagine Arthur being a big spokesperson. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
No, but he was very involved in the meetings. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
-He was voted in. -Oh. -You had to be elected. -Oh. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
So he must have been a popular man, people must have very much respected him. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
He's bound to have been popular. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
I bet Annie was proud of him. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
So things were going well for Arthur, really? | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
Well, they were, but things were going badly for the company, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
and by 1929, the business was really struggling. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
Now, this record here is particularly interesting. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
If you'd just like to read that first section. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
"Referring to the labour position, the company chairman said | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
"that it will be necessary to discharge some 120 men..." | 0:30:47 | 0:30:52 | |
Ooh! | 0:30:52 | 0:30:53 | |
"This reduction of staff was owing to a changeover of the character | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
"of our trades from goods requiring much labour | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
"to goods requiring less labour, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
"to the introduction of labour-saving machinery." | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
This must have been really sad - to work for such a wonderful company | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
and then to be given the sack, and really hard for the families. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
And there was no such thing as redundancy pay in those days. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
-Nothing? -You would just simply lose your job. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
So was Arthur one of the ones that was sacked? | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
We think so, we think he was among those 120. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
Oh! | 0:31:26 | 0:31:27 | |
With all those children. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
However, Rowntree's wanted to be different | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
and they decided that they would set aside a large sum of money | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
so that they could help people who were inevitably going to be laid off. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:42 | |
This is the company magazine from 1929 | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
and it's an article called Work For The Workless | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
and it's all about some of those people who'd been helped. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
"In connection with the offer of financial aid to obtain other work | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
"made to those members of the staff who left the company's service at Christmas, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:01 | |
"a goodly number of our old mates have now started work." Ooh! | 0:32:01 | 0:32:06 | |
"Some have gone to our London depot, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
"some to a firm of manufacturers of electrical apparatus | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
"at Welwyn Garden City..." | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
Ooh! "..and others have started up business in York and elsewhere." | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
-Uh-huh. -Where was Arthur? -Welwyn Garden City. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
Yes! Ah, my goodness. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
-So do you know Welwyn Garden City? -Yes, I do. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
My great-grandfather on my mother's side, Ebenezer Howard, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
founded Welwyn Garden City, though not many people know that, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
because I didn't...I wouldn't tell them cos he was a sir as well, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
and it seemed like showing off. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
-Cos it's a pretty big thing... -It is. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
..for a chorus girl's great-grandfather to be. Yeah. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
I knew when I started this that my father moved down | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
to Welwyn Garden City, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:52 | |
but I didn't realise the whole family moved down. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
How extraordinary! Oh, what a link! | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
When we first started this programme, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
I didn't know anything about my grandparents. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
I'd never met them, I've never seen them, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
I didn't even know their names or what they did, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
and now I've learned so much about them | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
and it's so extraordinary when you look at the photographs | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
and you know the stories. You sort of fall in love with them. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
And I do love them. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:29 | |
I really love them, and always will. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
And now for the extraordinary link. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
Um...I know that Annie and Arthur moved to Welwyn Garden City, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
which my great-grandfather founded, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
so now I'd like to find out about Ebenezer Howard | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
and how and why he founded Welwyn Garden City and Letchworth. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
Una's turning her attention to her maternal line. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
On this side, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:01 | |
Una's great-grandfather was Sir Ebenezer Howard, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
founder of the Garden City Movement. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:07 | |
Ebenezer Howard was one of a wave of late 19th-century reformers | 0:34:07 | 0:34:12 | |
who set out to address the grave problems | 0:34:12 | 0:34:14 | |
afflicting Victorian cities. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
Howard's radical idea was to create | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
brand-new, carefully planned settlements | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
that combined the best of town and country. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
His ultimate ambition was that his Garden Cities | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
would lessen social divisions | 0:34:29 | 0:34:31 | |
by providing a better way of life for all. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
It was a bold Utopian vision, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
but one that Howard was determined to make real. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
All I know is that he had this wonderful dream and he fulfilled it, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
but I'm ashamed to say I know nothing about the detail of his life | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
and I wonder what spurred him to achieve what he did. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
I'm dying to see what I'm going to find. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
Una's hoping her sister Claire might know more than she does. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
Ooh-hoo! | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
Hello, darling, how are you? Lovely to see you. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
-And you too. -Come through. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
Una and Claire's beloved grandmother, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
who they called Nana, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
was Sir Ebenezer's eldest child. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
I know that Nana was very proud of her father, | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
-for what he stood for, I think, mainly, than his title. -Yes. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
-He was very... -Artistic? -..a very compassionate person. -Yes. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
-And also very proud of her mother, Lucy. -Yes. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
I think she kept the family together. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
-She was very strong. -Yes. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
So I know a bit about him, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:40 | |
but I don't know where he came from or how he started. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
Was he an architect? | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
-All I know is that he was born in the City, City of London. -Oh. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
I did go to the unveiling of a plaque near where he was born. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
Do you know if the plaque is still there? | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
Perhaps we could find out. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
Ah, you've got one of those. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
I'm really impressed. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
-I think I've found it. -Oh, OK. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
It's in Fore Street. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
Brilliant. Brilliant. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:11 | |
So it's right in the City. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:15 | |
I'm going to go and have a look. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
In the City, Una's meeting Dr Alastair Owens, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
from the University of London. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
-Hello. -Hello! -Are you Alastair? | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
-I am indeed. Una. -Lovely to meet you. -Lovely to meet you too. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
And the blue plaque is...? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
-The blue plaque, it's just over here on the wall. -Oh. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
-It's completely different. -It is, it's rather beautiful, isn't it? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
Because normally they're bright blue and round. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Why is it like that? | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Well, that's right. This particular plaque was commissioned | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
by the Corporation of London, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
and Sir Ebenezer Howard was an honoured son of the City of London. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
Oh, so it says... | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
In the course of his life, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:04 | |
Sir Ebenezer became a respected public figure, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
but he was not born into wealth or privilege. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
Today, Fore Street has changed beyond recognition, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
but at the time of Ebenezer's birth, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
it was a bustling thoroughfare, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
home to the families of tradesmen and shopkeepers. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
This is a street very much like Fore Street would have been | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
in the 1850s - | 0:37:26 | 0:37:27 | |
a nice commercial street that was thriving. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
You know, the shop fronts are not dissimilar. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
A mixture of different things like tailors and...? | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
Yeah, all sorts. In fact, Ebenezer Howard's father was a baker. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:41 | |
He ran a pastry shop, perhaps not unlike this one here. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
-Yeah. -And just imagine yourself walking along here in 1850 | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
and have the smell of sweet pastries wafting into the street. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
It would have been very enticing. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
So this was a world that the young Ebenezer Howard grew up in. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
Sounds lovely. | 0:37:57 | 0:37:58 | |
-However, I mean, other parts of the City were rather like the street here. -Yes. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
Very close to where Ebenezer Howard lived, close to Fore Street, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
were areas of London that were very poor indeed. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
I mean, it looks quite chichi here now, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
-but, of course, it was a very different place in the 19th century. -Yeah. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
These narrow alleyways, they were very cramped, they were very dark. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
Very overcrowded. These areas often had very poor sanitation, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
and within the streets, you might even encounter raw sewage. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
You know, there'd be no trees, no green open spaces, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
little fresh air, little sunlight, even, in many places. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
So it must have been very unhealthy, was it? | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
-It was very unhealthy. Cities were places where disease was rife. -Yeah. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:41 | |
There was a survey done in the 1850s that discovered | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
that mortality rates here were double those in the suburbs. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
So cities literally killed you, and that was a big concern. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
So Ebenezer would have seen all this. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
It must have made a big impression on him, I'm sure it did. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
-Quite shocking. -Yes. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
As well as being exposed to the slums of the city, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
the young Ebenezer also experienced a very different way of life | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
when he was sent to boarding school in the countryside. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
He spent his formative years moving between these two contrasting worlds. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:17 | |
-Here I've got a photograph of Ebenezer. -Oh! | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
Probably just after he'd left school. Clearly posed photograph. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
Yes. And he was what age? | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
Well, he's only 15, actually, when he leaves school. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
Which is quite early. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
Which is quite early but for a lower-middle-class young man, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
father a baker, then it was not uncommon for them | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
-to start work relatively young. -Right. -It would be very unusual | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
-for somebody of that background to go to university. -And what work did he do? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
So he became a shorthand writer, a stenographer, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
so he was employed in solicitors' offices, for example, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
as a clerk, using those skills. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
I've got another photograph of him here, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
and we see him here as a man and not a boy. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
I've seen the photographs of him with his great big moustache | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
-in later years. -Yes, yeah. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
That's the only pictures I've seen. I've never seen him as a young man. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
He does look very determined. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
As Ebenezer Howard forged his career as a shorthand writer in the 1870s, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
the situation in London was getting worse. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
The population of the city was growing rapidly, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
and there was great alarm at the conditions in the slums. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
Cities were seen as not just unhealthy, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
but also morally corrupting, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
even inherently evil. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
There was a mounting urgency that a solution had to be found. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
The crisis was discussed at the highest level. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Ebenezer Howard was well aware of these debates. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
-We pick up Ebenezer in the 1881 census. He's 31. -Yes. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
And he's continuing to be a shorthand writer, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
but he was now working in the Houses of Parliament, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
so he would have witnessed at first hand debates among politicians | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
about what we should do with cities like London, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
which were experiencing all these environmental and social problems. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
So it's an interesting image, this man sat in Parliament, | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
quietly taking notes, doing his shorthand, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
and perhaps sometimes feeling rather frustrated that, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
in spite of all that discussion and debate, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
-nothing really seemed to happen. -Was happening. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
-And, in the background, he's beginning to formulate his own ideas. -Because of what he'd seen. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
-In London, living in the city. -Absolutely. -And then, being educated in the countryside | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
and then, eventually, they kind of formed into this broader notion of the Garden City. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:33 | |
By the time Howard formed his idea of the Garden City, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
he had been working in Parliament for many years. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
He was entering middle age and married with a young family. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
Faced with the challenge of getting his ideas across, | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
he decided to lay out his vision in a book. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
By 1891, Ebenezer Howard was beginning to write his book | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
-and, you know, ultimately, he had to begin to persuade people... -Yes. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
-..that his plans were worth pursuing. -And I wonder how hard that was. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
Well, one imagines that it was quite a struggle, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
because he was a baker's son, he was a stenographer, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
he wasn't, you know, a leading thinker of the age, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
and it was a very bold idea, very radical idea, in some senses. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
It's really odd, because all I knew was | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
that I had a great-grandfather and his name was Sir Ebenezer Howard, | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
so it was such a surprise to find out from Alastair | 0:42:26 | 0:42:29 | |
what his background was. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
And I was surprised that he didn't start on the Garden Cities | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
much earlier, in his youth, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
and I think I imagined that he must have been an architectural student | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
or something like that, not a stenographer. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
It is extraordinary. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
To find out more about the book Ebenezer was writing, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
Una has come to Hertfordshire archives, where his papers are kept. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:57 | |
So I now know that Ebenezer was mid-40s | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
and that he'd written a book. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
But whether he had it published or not, I'm not sure. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
And what was in this book, anyway? Were there little drawings of streets | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
that he imagined and houses and building, | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
and from there, where did he go to build a city? | 0:43:13 | 0:43:18 | |
How did that come about? | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
So I'm going to meet somebody now | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
who I'm hoping is going to explain it to me. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
Hello, is this Mervyn? | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
-Yes, hello, Una, very good to see you. -And you too. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
Dr Mervyn Miller is an expert on the work of Ebenezer Howard. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
It must be very exciting to be related to Ebenezer. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:38 | |
It is. Well, yes. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:39 | |
So first of all, let's have a look at the typescript draft of the book. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:44 | |
So is this Ebenezer's own copy? | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
Yes, his vision was mapped out in this book | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
-and here, he explains what he wants to do. -Hmm. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
"Town and country must be married | 0:43:53 | 0:43:55 | |
"and out this joyous union of society and nature | 0:43:55 | 0:43:59 | |
"will spring a new life, a new hope, a new civilisation." | 0:43:59 | 0:44:03 | |
And this was his concept - | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
amalgamating, putting together the advantages of the country | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
and the advantages of town life, without any of the disadvantages. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
Yes. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:15 | |
This was what he called the Garden City | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
-and these are some of the diagrams he drew for the book. -Oh. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:24 | |
If we look at this one, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
-it's actually a slice through the middle from the centre. -Yeah. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:32 | |
Here we've got the central garden, yes. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
-A town hall, a museum. -That's right. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
Hospital, everything. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
All the public buildings in the centre | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
surrounded by a beautiful garden. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
Hmm, and this would have been | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
so opposite to what he would have seen in London. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
-Each house has a garden, house and gardens. -Yes. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
House and gardens, house and gardens. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
-Completely different to what he's seen. -Absolutely. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
He wanted the very reverse of the London slums. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
Then reaching further out, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
only when we get to the edge have we got industry. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
So it's kept well away. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
That's precisely right, | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
and if we go through to this next diagram, it's the Garden City, | 0:45:09 | 0:45:14 | |
-the complete Garden City this time... -Hmm. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
..in its surrounding countryside. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
He wasn't going to build on that land at all. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
-So large farms. -Farms. -Forests, smallholdings. -Yes. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
-And allotments. -So people could garden in their allotments. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
Food would be produced in the farms, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
and it was sustainable development in the late-19th-century sense. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:38 | |
Also, Howard wanted the profits from the development | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
and the increased land values to not go just to the shareholders, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
but back to the community. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
-How wonderful. -Yes, it's a sort of mutual ownership concept. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
So his vision was really for a complete new way of city life. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:57 | |
-Yes, yes. -So how was the book actually published? | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
Well, he had to raise a loan from friends | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
in order to get it published. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:06 | |
-So his belief was really strong. -His belief was carrying him through. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
-Yeah. -And he did get the book published in 1898. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:14 | |
This is a copy of the first edition. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:16 | |
To-morrow: A Peaceful Path To Real Reform. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
Yes, reform of society, not through revolution, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
but through cooperation between all people. And at the time, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
people were amazed that this unassuming man had brought forth this book. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:33 | |
Yeah. But then how did it go from the book | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
to actually having the Garden Cities built? | 0:46:37 | 0:46:40 | |
Well, as soon as it got into print, | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
he started crusading through the country, | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
and I've got a newspaper here. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
We have enlarged it | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
so you can see what your great-grandfather was doing. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
"Dundee Social Union. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
"An open lecture on the Garden City, with lantern illustrations | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
"by Ebenezer Howard Esq, originator of the movement." | 0:47:01 | 0:47:06 | |
-Isn't that wonderful? -Yes. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
And he would be doing that throughout the length and breadth of Britain | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
and, gradually, he attracted influential men | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
and men who had got money to invest in the project. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:22 | |
They formed a company and eventually reached the point | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
where what they had to do is to build the first Garden City. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:31 | |
Oh, how exciting! What a thrill he must have been in at that stage. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:37 | |
It really must have been, because nothing quite like this had been done before. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
The site of the first Garden City opened at Letchworth | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
in October 1903, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
when Ebenezer Howard was 53 years old. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
It was an extraordinary achievement, but it came at a cost. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Howard was not a man of means and the time he gave to the project | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
was taking him away from his paid work as a stenographer, | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
putting him and his family under financial pressure. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
Archivist Sue Flood has a letter that reveals the strain. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
-This is a letter from Lizzie Howard to her husband Ebenezer. -Oh. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:18 | |
The letter is dated in October 1904, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
-when Letchworth Garden City was being built. -Oh, right. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
Up to this point, he had been earning a steady living | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
from being the shorthand writer. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
He's not getting that steady income any more. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
Yes, see here, Sue, it says, | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
"Do make up your mind once and for all..." - underlined - | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
"..how your income is to be made. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
"There is not charm for me in sublime uncertainty of not knowing | 0:48:41 | 0:48:46 | |
"how and when my housekeeping funds will be available." | 0:48:46 | 0:48:50 | |
-Yes. -Poor Lizzie. -Yes, she was his rock behind at home, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
-but she was the one who had to look after the family. -Yes. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
Because her husband was an idealist. | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
Ebenezer was going round the country, lecturing, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:04 | |
and he was doing an awful lot of this for free, | 0:49:04 | 0:49:07 | |
unfortunately, for the family. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
-Too good for his own good, isn't he? -He was, yes. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
"I may be selfish in this matter, but, if I am, | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
"I fear there are lots of selfish people, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
"for surely all men and women deserve the peace | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
"which comes from a settled method of living." | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
-Yes. -Goodness me, what a mess they're in. -Yes. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:26 | |
I know that Lizzie died at a reasonably young age. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
When was that? | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
Well, sadly, this letter was written in October 1904 | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
-and she died in November. Just... -Oh, shortly afterwards! | 0:49:37 | 0:49:42 | |
Just shortly after writing this letter. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
What a loss. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
I think it very much was for him, most definitely. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
Ah, when he should have been ecstatic, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:54 | |
all this dream was finally taking off | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
-and the person he was dreaming with... -Yes. -..isn't here any more. | 0:49:56 | 0:50:00 | |
-Lizzie, she'd supported him right from the very, very beginning. -Yes. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
-Cruel life. -Isn't it? -Isn't it, sometimes? -Yes. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
-So cruel. -Yeah. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
Poor Lizzie. Poor Ebenezer. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
Yes, yeah, indeed. Yeah. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
He had lost his wife, | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
but at last Ebenezer's Utopian vision was becoming a reality. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:24 | |
His dream took shape | 0:50:27 | 0:50:28 | |
as the infrastructure of Letchworth Garden City | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
was created in open countryside. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
The first houses were built, surrounded by gardens and parkland, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
and new communities were formed. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
The pioneering project was hailed as a success, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
but Ebenezer Howard himself was not satisfied. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
He had always seen Letchworth as a prototype | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
rather than an end in itself, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
so in 1919, at the age of almost 70, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:58 | |
he set out to try to create another Garden City. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
Now I'm going to Welwyn Garden City, which is Ebenezer's second city, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
by which time he was almost 70, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
which is quite late for such an enormous project, | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
so I want to know how he made it come about. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
-It's quite an age, isn't it? -Yes. -To embark on something new. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
I don't know, though. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
Look at these amazing beech hedges all along here. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
Oh, look at this. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
What a fantastic entrance into a city. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
The trees are beautiful. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
So far, so good. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:48 | |
Angela Eserin is a local historian | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
who has researched the history of Welwyn Garden City. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
Oh, Angela! I don't know if you know, but I'm trying to find out more | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
about my great-grandfather, Ebenezer Howard, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
and I understand, obviously, that Letchworth was a great success | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
and yet he still wanted to do more. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:09 | |
He did indeed, because his big fear | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
was that Letchworth would just be seen | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
-as a kind of quirky one-off experiment. -As a one-off. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
So he determined the only way forward was to build another Garden City, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
and also, he'd already decided exactly where he wanted to build it. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:27 | |
-Oh! -We know more about the story from this remarkable letter. -Right. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:32 | |
Which was written by a Norwegian planner called Kristian Gerloff | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
-to Seebohm Rowntree. -Rowntree?! | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
Oh, my father's family worked at Rowntree's. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:45 | |
-What a coincidence! -Oh, goodness. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
Seebohm Rowntree was a great supporter of Howard's | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
and the Garden City Movement | 0:52:51 | 0:52:52 | |
and he was also a friend of Gerloff. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
So this is Kristian Gerloff | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
-explaining what happened one day in 1919. -Oh, right. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
"I was sitting at a cup of tea in 3 Gray's Inn Place with Reiss, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:06 | |
"then the young chairman of the GCA." | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
That's the Garden Cities Association that Howard had founded. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
Yeah. "A long-distance telephone call came through. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:16 | |
" 'It's Howard,' said Reiss. | 0:53:16 | 0:53:18 | |
" 'He wants to meet at King's Cross, very important.' | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
"Howard arrived at King's Cross, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 | |
"more agitated than I ever seen an Englishman. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
"He'd told us that he'd passed hours that day | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
"strolling through an estate near Hatfield. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
"I understand that Howard already, for some time, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
"had had his eye on this estate, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
"but he today had discovered that it would be sold by auction | 0:53:37 | 0:53:41 | |
"in a very few days, hence his agitation." | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
Yes, he's been after this at the back of his mind, | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
had his eye on it for years and here it is, | 0:53:47 | 0:53:49 | |
-here's his chance to actually buy it. -An actual auction. -Yes. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
And here it says, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
"I knew that thousands of pounds did not daily butter Howard's bread. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
"In that poor little teashop, the sums mentioned sounded a bit unreal, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
"but Howard's willpower, decision and enthusiasm | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
"shone through everything he said." | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
-That's wonderful, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:10 | |
A few days of frantic activity followed, | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
as Howard tried to persuade potential investors | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
to fund a deposit for the land. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
He only just managed it in time, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:20 | |
securing the final portion on the very day of the auction. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
"Then Howard made his bid at the auction | 0:54:24 | 0:54:27 | |
"and returned to 3 Gray's Inn Place | 0:54:27 | 0:54:29 | |
"as a big estate owner with a personal debt of some £27,000 | 0:54:29 | 0:54:34 | |
"on his not-too-strong shoulders." | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
That's a lot. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:38 | |
-It's enormous. -Yes. -It's millions of pounds. -Yes. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
Without that belief in what he was doing, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
I don't think he could ever have gone to that auction | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
-and taken on that debt. -No. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:49 | |
There's nothing for himself. It's all for others. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
-Nothing for himself. -Always. -Always. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
It's for the good of all the people | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
who are living in slum conditions in London, | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
-both then and in the future. -Yes. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
-It's the way forward for planning. -Yes. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
So Howard had managed to achieve his aim, | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
he'd got the land he wanted, | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
and now they had to build a second Garden City. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
Which they did. Welwyn Garden City. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
-That's it, yeah. -Amazing. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
In 1921, Howard moved to his new Garden City. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
By now, his ideas were spreading abroad and his principles, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
realised in Letchworth and Welwyn, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
went on to influence new settlements across the world. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
In the final years of his life, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
Ebenezer Howard gained public recognition for his achievements. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
He was awarded an OBE in 1924 and was knighted in 1927. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:47 | |
The following year, Sir Ebenezer Howard died. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
His body was taken from Welwyn Garden City to Letchworth, | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
where his funeral was attended by leading public figures. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
Howard had never been interested in personal gain | 0:55:59 | 0:56:03 | |
and left an estate worth only £800. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:06 | |
His legacy was the idea of the Garden City. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:10 | |
Oh! | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
"Sir Ebenezer Howard, founder of Welwyn Garden City. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:18 | |
"His vision and practical idealism | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
"profoundly affected town planning throughout the world." | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
What a lovely tribute. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:29 | |
I knew that he'd founded Welwyn Garden City and Letchworth, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
but I didn't really know anything about the man. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
You know, that he'd seen the poverty in London and inner cities, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
and wanting to do something about it, but how long it took him | 0:56:43 | 0:56:48 | |
and I suppose it was difficult | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
because it always seemed so idealistic and it was, but it worked. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:55 | |
I'm so proud of him. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:58 | |
Really proud of him! | 0:56:58 | 0:57:01 | |
Not only for what he achieved, but also what he was as a man. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
I think that's what I'm most proud of. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
Following Ebenezer Howard's death, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
Welwyn Garden City continued to take shape. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
Industry was attracted to the new town and more houses were built. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
Thousands of new residents were able to enjoy the full benefits | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
of Howard's vision. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
Among the early settlers were Annie and Arthur Stubbs. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:31 | |
I understand that this is the house that Annie and Arthur came to, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:36 | |
after York, in the city that my great-grandfather founded. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:41 | |
Extraordinary. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:43 | |
Four years later, Una's mother, Ebenezer Howard's granddaughter, | 0:57:45 | 0:57:49 | |
married Una's father, Annie and Arthur's son. | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
So now, I know how both sides of my family | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
came to live in Welwyn Garden City | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
and although the families seemed completely different, | 0:58:00 | 0:58:04 | |
like chalk and cheese, really, they came together here. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
I'm quite glad about that, otherwise I wouldn't be here. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:11 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
I've loved this journey. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
I mean, for somebody who knew so little about her past, | 0:58:16 | 0:58:20 | |
I now have a much richer understanding. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
I'm absolutely thrilled to have found out so much. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:28 | |
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