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Hello. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
CHEERING | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
-Who likes singing? -CHILDREN: Me! | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
-Good. Me too. Are you ready to sing? -CHILDREN: Yes! | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Er, why don't we stand up. Wow! | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
'I love being in front of a choir.' | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
Drrrrrr-drrrrrr! | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
-ALL: Drrrrrrr! -Grrrr-grrrr. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
And I love being involved in performance of any kind. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
My favourite singing exercise of all, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
grab your pneumatic drill and dig the road. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
Yah, yah, yah, yah, yah! | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
ALL: Yah, yah, yah! | 0:00:30 | 0:00:31 | |
'And music is so integral to my life.' | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
I wake up in the morning | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
and it's really the first thing I think about after coffee. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
-Are you ready? -CHILDREN: Yes, Gareth! | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
That's good. One, two. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
# If anybody asks you | 0:00:46 | 0:00:51 | |
# Where are you going... # | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Choirmaster and TV presenter Gareth Malone was born in London in 1975. | 0:00:53 | 0:01:00 | |
His father, James, worked in finance. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
His mother, Sian, was a civil servant. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
My parents met doing amateur dramatics - | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
I think their eyes met across the stage. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
'And so I am the product of a musical liaison. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
'When I was growing up, music was a very normal part of life.' | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
There was just me, my mum, my dad, singing songs together. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
Gilbert and Sullivan and musicals, always singing. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
# I'm going up a yonder... # | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
On a Sunday, if somebody was round for Sunday lunch or something, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
go and do...you know, I always have to do a turn. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
I would...you know, bring out Gareth, do a song. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
# If I can take the pain, the heartbreak that it brings... # | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
'In my DNA,' | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
I'm sure there's a little switch for singing and it's on! | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
# There's comfort in knowing I'll soon be home... # | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
And there's a fire in my belly about music | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
that has just always been there. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
# I'm going up a yonder, I'm going up a yonder... # | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
I want to find out where my performance gene comes from. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
I feel like it's all sort of filtered down and I've just | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
got a lot of the kind "ta-da" gene, if that's a real thing. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
I'm not a scientist. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:24 | |
Gareth's come to Bournemouth, the seaside town where he grew up | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
and where his parents still live. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
It's quite funny to be back here. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
I used to busk right there, just outside this department store. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Used to have a band, it was just me and some schoolmates, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
and we used to do Guns N' Roses covers | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
and Beatles and we'd sing for hours and hours and make | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
about £20 and, um...very humble beginnings for my musical career. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
Home sweet home. Hi. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
-Hello. -How are you? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
Mmm! | 0:03:48 | 0:03:49 | |
Hello, how are you? Good to see you. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Come in, come in. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
Smells of new paint. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Oh, and there's me. This is me at the piano. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
When you were 18 months old. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
Goodness me, I was fat! | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
Well, yes...you... You're smiling away. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
-Right at home, aren't I? -Yes. -Making up pieces on the piano. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
-You used to bash away. -Bashing away, yeah, yes. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
-But, yeah, this piano, but in our old house in London. -Yes. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
Did you always think I was going to be a performer? | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
-Did you always think I was... -I did. -You did, didn't you? -Always. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
-From when I was little? -From when you were very small. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
You would perform to anybody, really, at the drop of a hat. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
It was very...it was very funny to watch. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
-Yeah, I've not stopped that, really! -Yeah. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
And, and then this is me and my grandfather - Papa, as I call him. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
-There he is, yeah. -Look at that cheeky face. I must be, what? Two? | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
About two and a half. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
-Two and a half. -Yeah. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
-You're obviously sharing a joke of some kind. -Yeah. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
And I always love being with my grandfather, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
cos he's fun and silly and playful and comic. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
I really feel like he's a sort of frustrated performer. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
When he was young, he had a good baritone voice. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
He wasn't on the stage? | 0:04:53 | 0:04:54 | |
He wasn't on the stage, no, although his grandfather, he was on the stage. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
His grandfather is this man. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
-Edmund Payne. -Yeah. Short little fellow. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:04 | |
-Yeah. -So he's my great-great-grandfather. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
-Yes. -Edmund Payne. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
I mean, that's a name that I've grown up with, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
cos his photo's on our wall. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:12 | |
I love this one. The Toreador. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
Hmm, there he is, acting the clown. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
And that's George Grossmith Jnr. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
-That's right. -So this is the person that he performed with? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
-Yeah. They played together a lot. -In London? -Yes. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
I once heard, um, a recording of Edmund Payne on Radio 3. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
I remember this. I was going... | 0:05:32 | 0:05:33 | |
-I had to go into school to pick something up. -Yes. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
And I came out to the car and she was flapping her arms about, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
was like, "Come quickly!" | 0:05:39 | 0:05:40 | |
And I was being very nonchalant, cos I was a teenager. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
I couldn't believe it. I just couldn't believe it. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
-And you've not heard it since? -Not heard it since, no. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Family legend has it that there's, um, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
a film of Edmund Payne as well but we've never tracked it down. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
I don't know where it is. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:54 | |
-I'd love to see it but there's... -So would I. -So would I. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
I'd love to know more about him | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
and what he was actually like as a person and... | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
because, you know, there's more, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
there's more to someone than their stage self. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
What's this? | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
This is the family tree. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:08 | |
When did you get this? I've never seen this. Oh, this is so exciting. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
So hang on, one, two, three, four generations, five, | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
six generations back to Dan Lowrey. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
Mmm. Yes. Now I know the name Dan Lowrey from my childhood but... | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
Dan - Dan Lowrey was a music hall impresario... | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
-Impresario. -OK. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
..and he started at a theatre in Dublin called... | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
-Star of Erin? -..Star of Erin, I believe. -I didn't know that. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
-Yeah, yeah, they did... -That's amazing. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
How he came to that, I don't know. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
This is Dublin here? | 0:06:33 | 0:06:34 | |
This is Dublin. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
That's a story there. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
Yes, there is a story there. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
Oh, God! It's...I've got so many questions. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
So I shall have to be a detective. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
-Yes. Good luck. -I know. I'm really looking forward to it. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
-I'm going to have to get a deerstalker. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
Gareth has discovered that his four times great-grandfather, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
Daniel Lowrey, was an impresario, a theatre manager in Victorian Dublin. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:59 | |
But before exploring his life, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
Gareth is first going to follow the trail | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
of his great-great-grandfather, Edmund Payne, a comic actor. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:09 | |
I've walked past this picture I don't know how many tens | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
of thousands of times, cos it's been up in our house since I was a kid. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
But Mr Edmund Payne I know very little about. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
But I know he performed, but really that's it. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
Don't know what he was like off-stage. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
I don't know about his family. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
I don't know much about where he lived, anything like that. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
I'd really like to find out more. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
When Edmund performed in the early 1900s, there were | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
nearly 20,000 working actors and competition for roles was fierce. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:48 | |
In an era before television, and with film in its infancy, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
theatre was the entertainment industry of its day. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
Gareth's meeting historian Matthew Neill at Her Majesty's Theatre. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
Wow! | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
I haven't been here since I was 14 and I sat down there | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
and watched Phantom Of The Opera. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Good to meet you, hello. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
Hello, Gareth. Very pleased to meet you. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
You're going to be able to tell me | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
something about my great-great-grandfather? | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
I am indeed. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
I've got a couple of things I'd like to show you. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
"Coronation Gala Performance by command of the King. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
"His Majesty's Theatre, June 27th, 1911." 1911! | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
I can't believe it! This is so exciting. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
So there's a lot of Shakespeare. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
-Merry Wives of Windsor with Ellen Terry. -Indeed. Of course. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
There's a big...a big night of entertainment. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
The Critic by Sheridan. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
George Grossmith Jnr - that's a name I know. Edmund Payne! | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
And there he is. Wow! | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Playing Sir Christopher Hatton. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
The Critic was a burlesque, really, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
a parody of the business of putting on a play. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
There'd been a little bit of light relief | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
after all this rather heavy Shakespeare, because... | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
Yes. This is extraordinary. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
And I think it's a mark of the esteem that he was held in | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
that he was chosen to be part of this big theatrical event. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:10 | |
-And in 1911... -He stood right here. -..he stood right here. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
That's great. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
The 1911 Royal Gala Performance dedicated to the new King George V, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
boasted the brightest theatre talent. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
Edmund was a star of musical comedy, a hugely popular genre that | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
showcased his ability to sing and dance and to play the fool. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
In a career lasting over 30 years, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
Edmund made a name for his playful, often slapstick humour. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
Edmund was an extremely accomplished comic actor, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
well over 300 roles in his entire career. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
Ah. So he really was at the top of his game. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
I had a sense that he did all right, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
but that...this is... this is fantastic. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
And I also have another document here. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
This is actually the prompt book of The Critic that night. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
-This is the actual one? -Yes. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
And it would have situated over there in the prompt corner | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
and it would have been used to prompt the actors | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
should they forget their lines. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
And there, there he is, Sir Christopher Hatton. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
"True gallant Raleigh, but oh, thou champion of thy country's fame, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
"there is a question which I yet must ask, a question which | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
"I've never asked before - what mean these mighty armaments?" | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
-"Points left." -Points left. -"Does business with stick." | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
-Business with stick. -Probably whacks him on the head or trips over... | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
Absolutely, absolutely. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
Pokes him in the eye! That's great. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
And then we have here a book by a critic of the time, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
-and in here he has a description of Edmund. -Gosh. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
"Payne was a little man with a very funny face, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
"with which he could work wonders - | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
"a real funny man who was never vulgar. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
"He could both sing and dance". Great, good man. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
Well, I've not inherited the dancing very much! | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
"His greatest asset was his lisp. It gave a perfect character | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
"to the lovable little men he always impersonated." | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
-A lithp. -A lisp. -A comic lithp. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
A comic lithp! | 0:11:06 | 0:11:07 | |
"If he allowed himself a little festivity | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
"after a successful first night, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
"he would go to Gow's, the famous restaurant on the Strand. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
"There he would celebrate with a real blow-out of two sausages | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
"and a bottle of Guinness!" | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
I think we would have got on very well! | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
"Living in Stoke Newington, near Clissold Park..." | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
That's like three minutes from my house. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
"..he rode to and from the Gaiety on a bicycle, sometimes a tricycle." | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
-Mm. -"Teddy Payne, as everyone called him, was a universal favourite..." | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
That's so wonderful. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
"..and a very great comedian." Wow! | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
I mean, I, you know, we have his picture up in my parents' house | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
and I've seen it... You know, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
I saw it every day of my childhood, but I don't think I had any sense | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
of just how famous he was and how appreciated he was in his own time. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
-Absolutely. -Thank you so much. -Oh, you're very welcome. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
I'm tremendously proud of my great-great-grandfather | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
being here, performing for the King. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
You know, I'm very lucky to have also performed for royalty, | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
and I remember the, you know, the effect it had on my family | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
and how much pride they had in my small role | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
that I had in that performance, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
and I bet it was exactly the same for Edmund Payne, | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
and he was somebody who could make people laugh. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
What's better than that? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
Gareth's come to Clissold Park in Stoke Newington, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
the area of London Edmund made home. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
He's meeting one of Edmund's relatives, Lesley Elsen. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
-Hello. -Hello, Gareth. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
Hi. Very nice to meet you. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
-And nice to meet you too. -And we're related? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
We are, yes. I'm Edmund Payne's great-granddaughter. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
And I'm his great-great-grandson. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
-Yes, so we are cousins. -We're cousins. Now that's fantastic. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
I know a little bit about his performance life | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
but I know nothing about his family at all. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
-OK. -What have you got in your brown envelope? | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
-Right, the first thing to show you... -Yeah. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
..is the marriage certificate of Edmund's mother and father. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
Oh! I've been really wondering about who...where he came from. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
So this is "Marriage solemnised in the Parish Church in the Parish | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
"of St Leonard's Shoreditch, August 8th, 1859." | 0:13:18 | 0:13:25 | |
Hang on, this is...this is Edmund Payne as well? | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
That's not our Edmund Payne. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:28 | |
-This is his father. So everyone's called Edmund? -Edmund Payne. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
There's a lot of Edmund Paynes. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
Well, he's...my middle name is Edmund as well, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
and then my, grandfather's called Edmund, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
and then my great-great-grandfather was called Edmund, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
and then my great-great-great-grandfather | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
is this...this is...this him? | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
-I'm not! -You're not called Edmund. You should be. It's a great name. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
What does this say? No! | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
What does that say? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
-Chair maker. -Oh, I thought it said choirmaster! | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
Just for a minute. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
He was a chair maker. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
A chair maker. Well, OK, chair maker's a good profession. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
I'm kind of gutted, it really does look like choirmaster. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
-OK. -Right. -You've got more? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
-I have more. So the next... -Great. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
..thing I would like to show is the 1881 Census | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
which shows the Payne family. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Wow, yes. Um.... Edmund Payne, the father, important. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
-That's the father. -The father. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
43 at this point, and it says here, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
chair maker employing four men. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
So he was doing all right. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:29 | |
Oh, that's nice to know. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
OK, and children - one, two, three, four, five, six, seven children. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
-Edmund J - so this is our... -That's our Edmund. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
My great-great-grandfather. He's 17 and he's a ticket writer. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:43 | |
-Oh! -A ticket writer is somebody who worked at front of house | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
-and issued tickets in the theatre. -Oh, he's got the bug already. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
-He's in there. -And he's 17. -Yeah. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
Good man. So he didn't follow his father's footsteps? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
No. He's not following in the family tradition of chair makers. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
No, he's breaking out. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:58 | |
But if he was employing four men, presumably he's doing well enough | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
that he could say to his son, "Go and try... | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
"Go and indulge your ridiculous..." | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
-Well, that's it. -"..aspirations to be an actor." | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
Which was quite forward-thinking of them back in those days, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
to follow his dreams, and his dream was to be on the stage. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
Oh, history has repeated itself in my generation. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
-Yes. -I rather like that. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
Is that the first theatrical person in the family, then? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
As far as we know, yes. But here's something else. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
-You've got more. Oh. -You'll like this. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
Good. I mean, it's not warm out here | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
but the cockles of my heart are warmed by this story. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
Yes. Oh, there he is! | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Now what a fantastic picture. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
And there he is on a kid's tricycle. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
A very keen cyclist. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:39 | |
Probably not on this bike. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
Not on that one. And he looks a nice father. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
He does, doesn't he? He looks warm. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
Not the stern Victorian image. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
My family seem to think that there's a bit of film of Edmund Payne. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
There is. It's called The Gaiety Duet. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
-What's it like? The Gaiety Duet? -Yeah. -Have you seen it? | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
-Yes. -Have you? -Yes. Obviously silent... -Yeah. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
-..but you get the essence of the man from the film. -Ah! | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
-Where would I go? -There you go. -Oh, no! Oh! | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
Wow! Thank you. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
Oh, that's so nice. That's really lovely. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
It's so, you know, ah... Sorry, I've got to go. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Got to go and watch this now. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
Ah, thank you! I'm so excited. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
I have to say, when I was handed this by Lesley, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
my immediate thought was, "I have to... | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
"My grandfather has to see this." | 0:16:28 | 0:16:29 | |
My grandfather is 94 and he won't be around forever | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
and he's never seen this film. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
And here it is! I've got it. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
I want to go and see him and I want to show him this. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
But before leaving London, Gareth hopes to track down one final | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
piece of evidence. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
'I'm going back to Bournemouth later to show my family the film of | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
'Teddy Payne, but before I go, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
'I want to see if I can find a recording he made | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
'that I heard a brief moment of when I was about 16-17. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
'So I'm going to the British Library where, I think, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
'if it's going to be anywhere, it'll be here.' | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
The British Library holds over a million audio recordings, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
including many from the early 20th century, | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
when Edmund was at the peak of his theatrical career. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
'I'm really enjoying being a detective. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
'I always wanted to be a detective when I was a kid | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
'and I feel like I'm sneaking around and finding out about the past. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
'It's really fun.' | 0:17:36 | 0:17:37 | |
I'm in the, um, I'm in the British Library | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
and I'm looking on the Sound & Moving Image Catalogue, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
which is where I hope to find a bit more information about Edmund Payne. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
Payne... | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
Ooh, here we go. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
An oral history of the Wine Society. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
What? | 0:18:04 | 0:18:05 | |
Doesn't sound right. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
Ooh, here we go. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
"Proteger le repos des villes, Offenbach. Grossmith, George Jnr. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
"Sung in English, recording." | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
Right, details. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
What is this? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
There he is. "Contributor - Payne, Edmund, singer. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
"Tag - vocal music. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
"Play this." | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
HE GASPS | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
Oh, great! | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
I've waited a long time to hear this. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
RECORDING CRACKLES | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
It's just really crackly. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
MUSIC STARTS | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
Ah! There's a little orchestra... | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
like a brass band. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
# We're public guardians Bold yet wary... # | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
I think that's him. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
# ..And of ourselves we take good care | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
# To risk our precious lives... # | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
That's amazing. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:03 | |
I mean it's not a... It's a comic voice. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
GARETH JOINS IN: # ..We're never there... # | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
Oh, that's great. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
-# ..If we see a helpless woman... # -Ooh-ooh! | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
# ..Or a little boy that does no harm... # | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
What an incredible sensation to hear a voice, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
to hear these two men. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
-# We run them in -We run them in | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
BOTH: # To show that we're the bold gendarmes... # | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
The Bold Gendarmes. Funny. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
I know this song because I performed it with my dad | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
in the Bournemouth Music Festival in, I think, 1997. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
MUSIC CONTINUES | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
# Tum-ta-dah, tum-ta-dah... # | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
Oh, he's talking! | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
'What is that little child doing in the field? | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
'What is that old woman doing in the back garden there? | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
'Washing her face.' | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
"Washing her face"! | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
-HE OVERENUNCIATES: -You can hear that they're theatre people, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
so they speak like that! | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
# Provided that they make it right... # | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
Oh, I can't believe it's my great-great-grandfather. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
Fantastic. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
# Or give to us our proper terms | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
-# We run them in -We run them in | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
-# We run them in -We run them in | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
GARETH JOINS IN: # To show | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
# That we're the bold gendarmes. # | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
Gareth's back in Bournemouth to share his discoveries | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
with his parents and his grandfather Papa. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
DOORBELL RINGS | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
Edmund died before Papa was born, so they never met. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
-Hello, Papa. How are you? -Hello. -Hello. How are you? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
-Very well. -Lovely to see you. You all right? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
How did you know I was coming? | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
I don't know, I just had a sense. You're invited. Come on in. Come in. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
How was your journey? Was it all right? | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
OK. No trouble at all. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
No traffic? Good. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
Go on through to the sitting room. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
-My grandfather. -Salute your grandfather. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
PAPA LAUGHS | 0:21:18 | 0:21:19 | |
Go on in. Through here, come on through. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
You're probably wondering why I've gathered you here today. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
Well, the reason is, I've been looking into our family history... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
-Yes... -..and the name I've been focusing on | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
has been a name that we know very well, which is Edmund Payne. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
-Yes. -Your grandfather, my great-great-grandfather. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
Yes. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
And, amazingly, I've managed to track down one of his relatives, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
one of his descendants that we didn't know about. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
-What's her name? -Lesley. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:47 | |
I said to her we've got wind that there is a film of Edmund Payne... | 0:21:47 | 0:21:53 | |
-Yeah. -..and she just said, "Yes, I've seen it." | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
WOMAN GASPS | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
Oh, no! | 0:21:58 | 0:21:59 | |
So she said she's seen it and she says it's absolutely wonderful. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
-Where is it? -It's right here. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
-Oh, marvellous. -You've never seen this, have you? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
-Oh, no. I really have never... -Well, this is it. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
So this is, um... It's called The Gaiety Duet, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
it has George Grossmith Jnr in it and Edmund Payne. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
-Would you like to see it? -Yes, yes, yes! I'd love to. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
-Yeah. -Let's watch it. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:21 | |
I didn't know how famous he was | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
-and how successful he was, but he was... -Oh, yes. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
..hugely successful. By the way, it's silent. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
I've been wanting to see this for 94 years | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
and I'm going to see it at last. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
-Well, this is the moment of truth. Let's watch it. -Yeah. Yeah. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
-Gaiety Duet. -Gaiety Duet. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Oh, there he is! | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
-That's him! -Oh! | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
PIANO MUSIC PLAYS | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
-That must be George Grossmith Jnr on the right. -FATHER: That's him. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
Oh, he was very famous too, yeah. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
There he is. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
George Grossmith, sort of typical straight man, isn't he? | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Yeah. And Teddy Payne's doing the clown. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
-Slapstick. -It's great, isn't it? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
And he's got a funny little stature, hasn't he? | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
PAPA LAUGHS | 0:23:14 | 0:23:15 | |
-Yes. -He's tiny. Quite round. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
Yes, quite round but very distinctive. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
Apparently, he had a lisp. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
-Oh, did he? -Yeah. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
His father was a chair-maker. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
-Oh! -No! | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:33 | |
Ah... | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
What's it like to watch your grandfather? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
It's too much. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:40 | |
It's incredible, actually. Really is. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
You get sort of a true character coming through | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
rather than just a still photograph. Hmm. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
I've always longed to see my grandfather, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
and I've seen him now. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
PAPA CHUCKLES | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
'I feel so lucky that I have seen | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
'and heard my great-great-grandfather | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
'from over 100 years ago.' | 0:24:12 | 0:24:15 | |
# We're public guardians Bold but wary | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
# And of ourselves we take good care... # | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
I can't describe it, really. It's extraordinary. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
It's overwhelming, actually, to be able to watch him | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
and to be able to hear his voice. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
And that's going to stay with me for a really long time. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
# ..or a little boy that does no harm... # | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
# We're public guardians Bold yet wary | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
# And of ourselves we take good care | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
# To risk our precious lives we're chary | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
# When danger looms we're never there... # | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
'This whole process feels like a gift for my grandfather, really, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
'as much as it's for me, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
'and that's really special.' | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
-# We run them in -We run them in | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
-# We run them in -We run them in | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
# To show them we're the bold gendarmes... # | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
It's interesting. I mean, that picture in the hall | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
that I've looked at so many times, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
you just get the sense of a clown, somebody sort of pratting around, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
but he was much more than that. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
# Sometimes our duty's extramural... # | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
'He made it. He made it huge.' | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
# We like to gambol... # | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
'I feel like I would have liked him a lot.' | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
# ..Commune with nature face-to-face... # | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
'I feel a connection to him.' | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
# To our beats then back returning | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
# Refreshed by nature's holy charms | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
# We run them in We run them in... # | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Having explored Edmund Payne's life as an actor, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
Gareth's now going to investigate his four times great-grandfather, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
Daniel Lowrey, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
according to the family, a theatre manager in Dublin. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
I've got the family tree from my mother | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
that suggests that the furthest back we can go at the moment is 1823, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
and he married somebody called Hannah Elteringham. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
So I'm going to look them up on the internet | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
to see if there's any more information. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
First and middle names... Dan Lowrey. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Year... | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Birth - 1823. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
OK. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
OK, Mr Lowrey, where are you? | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
Oh, there's a couple of things here. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Um, is that him? | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
That looks right. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
Married 1840. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
I can look at that. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:38 | |
Right. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:43 | |
August 22nd 1840, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
marriage solemnised at the parish church in the Parish of Leeds. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
Leeds! | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
I'm Northern! | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Well, there you go. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
That's not what I was expecting. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
I was expecting to find Dublin. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
Profession - dyer. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
OK. That doesn't sound like my theatrical impresario. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
I mean, dyeing material, that's a very sort of working-class... | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
very different sort of profession. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
And his father Patrick Lowrey is a weaver. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:19 | |
A weaver?! | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
This doesn't fit at all with what my mum was telling me. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
That just doesn't tally. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
There's one more thing on here. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
I might just go back and have a look. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
OK. The census - Dan Lowrey and Hannah Lowrey... | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
Oh, this is 1851. Oh, great. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
OK, there's more. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
Liverpool. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
And he's moved to Liverpool. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
OK, well, we're getting closer to Dublin. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
Right, there he is. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:49 | |
Dan Lowrey. Head. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
And now he's 28. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
And there's children. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
Thomas, who's ten years old. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
And what's that? No, hang on. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
Servant. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
They've got a servant. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:07 | |
That doesn't sound like somebody who was a dyer in the wool trade. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
That sounds like somebody who's doing really well for themselves. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
And what does he do? What's this? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Ooh, it's difficult to read. I'm going to zoom in. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
Oh, this feels really, really important, | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
and I can't read it. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:25 | |
S... | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
It's definitely an S, looking at the other words, like "scholar". | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
So that's an S. That looks like an I, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
cos there's a dot... | 0:28:34 | 0:28:35 | |
S-I-G-S is all I can really make out. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
S-I-P-S? No. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
Not ships, is it? | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
C-O-N... Cone... | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
Is that an E? | 0:28:46 | 0:28:47 | |
Conner... | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
Connercuts. Connercols... | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
Ablonical?! | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
Stigs ablonical. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
He was a "stigs ablonical"! | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
Well, that's the mystery solved, isn't it? That's great(!) | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
Stigs... Stag... | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
Do I look very stupid here? | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
And what is that? | 0:29:04 | 0:29:05 | |
You'll cut this out, right? | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
Agh, this is agonising! | 0:29:07 | 0:29:09 | |
C-O-N... Conc... | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
Concerts. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
Is it "concerts"? | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
Does that say "sings at concerts"? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
Sings at concerts. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
It's not "ships conical" at all. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
He sings at concerts! | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
That's Dan Lowrey! OK. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
Oh, wow! | 0:29:41 | 0:29:42 | |
He was a dyer and he became a singer at concerts. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
That's fantastic. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
What kind of concerts? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
What did he sing? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
Agh! God, it's so exciting. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
It's really good. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
I love Liverpool. That's great. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
It's fascinating to find that your ancestor did | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
something like leave working in the mills to go off and become | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
Dan Lowrey the singer. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
What made him do that? | 0:30:20 | 0:30:21 | |
You know, it takes a certain kind of determination and bravery | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
and feeling that you...you can't do anything else, in a way, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
that you HAVE to become a performer. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
And he had the ambition to believe | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
that he was going to become something. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
I know from my own life, you know, it's really hard. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
I had years of doing, you know, not very exciting jobs. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
I worked in bars, I sold ice creams, I swept floors, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
I picked up cigarette ends from the beach. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
I did all sorts of things that were not glamorous | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
for a good ten years before I finally, you know, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
got to where I wanted to be. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
And so I warm to him for that. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
There may be a little bit of that | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
that's come down through the generations, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
a little bit of that, don't know, grit or personality or something. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
I hope so. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
Gareth's in Liverpool to meet | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
an expert in popular Victorian entertainment, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
Dr Caroline Radcliffe. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
They're meeting at the Caledonia Pub. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
LIVELY FOLK MUSIC PLAYS | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Hello. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:38 | |
-Caroline, hello. -Hello. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
Oh, this is cosy. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:41 | |
Oh, I love it. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
I feel like dancing! | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
Until very recently, I didn't know anything about Dan Lowrey at all. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
He was just a name in the family, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
so I'm hoping you can fill in some gaps. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
Well, this is a Liverpool trade directory from 1857 | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
and you can find his name... | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
I've just noticed here - "lunatic asylum". | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
There's all sorts of things on here. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
Provision dealer, tobacconist... And Lowrey. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
-Is that him? -That's the one. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
Victualler. Vict... | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
Do you know what that is? He's a publican. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
He's got his own pub now. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
Wow! Publican. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:34 | |
So, in the years since the 1851 census, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
-he's amassed enough money to buy a pub. -Yep. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
And this, 22 Cleveland Square, where is that? | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
It's down by the docks. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
And if I show you this one, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:48 | |
you'll find out a bit more about that pub | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
and what he was actually doing with it. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
And this is a very well-known theatrical paper. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
-The Era. And this is 1859. -Yeah. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
Bayliss... No... | 0:33:00 | 0:33:01 | |
Um...OK... | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
Dan... Ah, here we are. Oh! Oh, my gosh! | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
"Liverpool - Dan Lowrey's music hall." This is a change. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
Yeah. A lot of pubs at this time turned into music halls. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
What Dan actually was, was a music hall performer. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
-Right. -And he'd already established quite a reputation. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
"This splendid music hall is nightly crowded | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
"to witness the following talented company - | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
"Mr & Mrs Hughes, the clever duettists and pantomimists | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
"with their wonderful dog Polly." | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
This is Britain's Got Talent. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
"Dan Lowrey, the greatest Irish singer of the present day, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
"bar none." Why is he an Irish vocalist if he came from Leeds? | 0:33:44 | 0:33:49 | |
That was his speciality. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
Liverpool was full of Irish immigrants | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
so he chose traditional Irish songs | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
which the audience would have known. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
It was the real music of the people. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
In the 1850s, Liverpool was a thriving port | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
and Britain's second city after London. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
Migrants came in their thousands, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
particularly from Ireland, to seek a living. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
As the city's population boomed, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
so did demand for entertainment. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
Many pubs, like Dan Lowrey's, were adapted to become music halls. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
Unlike traditional theatres, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
they were allowed to serve food and drink during performances. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
And we've got some more information about his particular music hall | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
in this catalogue of all the music halls | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
that were in Liverpool during the 19th century. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
-All the music halls, right. The Malakoff Music Hall. -Yeah. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
"The Malakoff Music Hall was situated in Cleveland Square | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
"and was a very popular resort for youthful and ancient mariners. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
"Outside the Malakoff, there is a statue of Mr Lowrey | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
"in one of his favourite Irish characters." | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
So if we just turn back... | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
-Ah. -..there's a picture of the actual Malakoff. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
That's it! | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
-And there... -There he is. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Taking pride of place over his music hall. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
Looking quite the gentleman. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
And was this erected during his lifetime, do you know? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
Yes, I think he erected it. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
He had a statue commissioned of himself?! | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
-He's a real self-publicist. -Yeah. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
He needed to be, because to climb from those roots, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
to establish your own music hall | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
-and move up the social ladder, took a lot of business acumen. -Yeah. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:37 | |
He's not a dyer or a weaver's son any more. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
-That says quite a lot of about him, doesn't it? -Yep. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
Dan's music hall proved a big hit. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
Audiences poured in to see a variety of acts - | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
comic singer, acrobats, even performing animals - | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
and with alcohol flowing freely, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Victorian music halls, like Dan Lowrey's, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
quickly became THE place for a drink and a singsong. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
I'll show something which I think you'll find really interesting. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
That's him? | 0:36:14 | 0:36:15 | |
This is him doing one of his Irish songs. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
Wow! | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
Dressed in a sort of typical music hall character. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
In all his finery. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:24 | |
He's quite a stocky man, isn't he? | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
He looks like he can handle himself. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
And the docks were very, very rough at that time. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
Where you get sailors, there are lot of prostitutes, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
fights, police raids. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
I'm so glad you didn't tell me he was running a brothel. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
Maybe you're going to tell me that in a minute! | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
Now, we've got one more thing for you. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
We've actually managed to find one of the songs that he performed. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
Goodness. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:52 | |
Pat Came Over The Hill. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
Or the Whistling Thief. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
Whistling Thief. What's the song about? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
Well, it's about a man who's courting his sweetheart, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
his colleen, and his little signal to her is a whistle. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
So he starts whistling to her. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
Unfortunately, the mum hears, and says, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
"Daughter, go back to bed, we're not having any of that..." | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
-You're not going out. -"..hanky-panky." | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
You can never take a music hall song at face value. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
-You always have to imagine what was going with it, the act... -Yes. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
-..and the business, as they called it. -The business. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
So it's traditional, but with a bit of sauciness and fun. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
The audience would have joined in and it would have become a whole... | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
-And they'd be banging on the table and... -All those sailors. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
-Yeah. Yeah. -How's your sight reading? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
-First-rate. Let's have a go. -Do you want to have a go? -Yeah. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
Um, right, so, erm, ladies and gentlemen, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
in honour of my great-great-great-great-grandfather, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
the great Dan Lowrey, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
we give you a very under-rehearsed version of the Whistling Thief. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
You don't know it? Well, you'll pick it up. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
# When Pat came over the hill | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
# His colleen fair to see | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
# His whistle loud and shrill | 0:38:11 | 0:38:12 | |
# The signal was to be | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
# Oh, Mary, the mother cried | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
# There's somebody whistling sure | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
# No, Mother, it's only the wind | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
# That's whistling through the door | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
# That's whistling through the door. # | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
'Dan must have really had something about him.' | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
Ruff! Ruff! Ruff! | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
He's got charm. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:32 | |
# ..The dog is barking now... # | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
And enough charm to draw in an audience | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
and win them over with a song. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
# ..Now, how can you see the moon when you know... # | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
And that's what leaps out of this picture for me, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
is a man who is confident | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
and he's able to perform. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
And here we go again. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:54 | |
# ..I'm not such a fool as you think | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
# I know very well it is Pat | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
# Get out, you whistling thief... # | 0:38:59 | 0:39:00 | |
There was a ready audience for Irish song. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
You would get up and you'd entertain a crowd, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
and people obviously loved it. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:07 | |
# ..Although I've lost my eyes I haven't lost my ears... # | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
I like songs that are light and fun and entertaining and comic, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
and so did my great-great-great-great-grandfather, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
Dan Lowrey, and that's really exciting for me, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
to find that there's that immediate connection with the past. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
# ..Now, boys don't courting go | 0:39:24 | 0:39:25 | |
# Too near the house, do you mind? | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
# Unless you're certain sure... # | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
I want to go to 22 Cleveland Square | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
and find out whether there's still anything there | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
and whether the statue's still there. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
So I want to go and find out. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
I hope it is. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
# ..A fiddle, pig, dog and a man | 0:39:39 | 0:39:40 | |
# A fiddle, pig, dog and a man. # Whoo! | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
MUSIC CONTINUES | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
MUSIC ENDS, APPLAUSE | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
Well, this is it. This is Cleveland Square. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
I'm drawn to that building | 0:40:22 | 0:40:23 | |
because it kind of looks a little bit like Dan Lowrey's music hall, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
but it's not the right shape, | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
it's not wide enough and it's not grand enough. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
And that building's got... It says 1882, so it's from the right period. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
Right, though, it's not the right building. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
There's a number 22 on that gate over there. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
Oh... It's a house! | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
This statue would have been just on the first floor, just there. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
Huh! | 0:40:49 | 0:40:50 | |
Oh! | 0:40:50 | 0:40:51 | |
HE TUTS | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
I'm really gutted about that. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:54 | |
I was really hoping to find Dan still looking out over the square. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
I get the sense that this was someone for whom | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
things were really beginning to happen. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
And I want to find out what happened next. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
Gareth's going to search the British Newspaper Archive. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Right, let's have a look online. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
OK. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
Newspapers. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:19 | |
What have we got? | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
Ah, there we are. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
There's quite a lot of articles here, mentioning him. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
This is the Daily Post, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
and that's from 1st June 1860. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
Erm, OK, here we are. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
"Dan Lowrey's new Malakoff Music Hall, 22 Cleveland Square," | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
just over there. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
I think it must be an advert. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:46 | |
"Dan, the unrivalled Irish comedian | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
"appears every evening at half past ten o'clock precisely." | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
He's always called "the unrivalled", | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
"the unparalleled", the sine qua non of music hall. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
Brilliant. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
Oh, here's another one. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
Huh! | 0:42:07 | 0:42:08 | |
"Every evening go and hear DAN..." - capital letters - | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
"..with the best company in Liverpool. Dan Lowrey!" | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
Exclamation mark. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:15 | |
Pause. "Dan Lowrey" again. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
And again, "Dan Lowrey". | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
He wants to get his name and his brand out there. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
Good for him. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
"A private box for captains and gentlemen." | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
Wow. That's interesting. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
When he says a private box for captains and gentlemen, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
it sounds like, actually, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
he's trying to make this sound like a respectable place. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
He doesn't just want riff-raff, he wants captains and gentlemen. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
He wants to be the classy establishment | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
that's making more money, perhaps. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
OK, this one looks interesting. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
"Daily Courier. 25th October 1870." | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
Let me make this bigger. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
Here we go. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:56 | |
"Municipal elections, Pitt Street ward. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
"Last evening, a meeting for the friends and supporters | 0:42:59 | 0:43:03 | |
"of Mr Daniel Lowrey, the people's candidate..." | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
Wow, come on, Dan! | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
"..was held in the Malakoff Music Hall, Cleveland Square. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
"Dan himself came on amidst loud applause, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
"which he acknowledged, bowing two or three times." | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
Well, that sounds right. I love that. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
The idea that he comes out at a political rally | 0:43:20 | 0:43:23 | |
and just bows ceremoniously, like, "Yes, it's me!" | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
That's really interesting. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
So the Pitt Street ward... | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
So this is local elections. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
The people's candidate for Pitt Street ward. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
Presumably that's this area. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:36 | |
So he's really coming up in the world, isn't he? | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
That's extraordinary. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:41 | |
He's now wanting to get into politics. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
What ambition! | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
He must have been a smart guy. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:48 | |
I wonder if he was successful. That I want to know. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
By 1870, Dan had been performing in Liverpool for over 20 years. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:01 | |
His music hall business had flourished | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
and now he sought a new challenge... | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
in local politics. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
At the time, Britain only had two political parties - | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
the Conservatives and the Liberals. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
Gareth's meeting local historian Mike Royden | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
to find out more about Dan's electoral campaign. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
Hi, Mike, hello. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
-Hi, Gareth, it's nice to meet you. -Yeah, lovely to meet you. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
Why this part of Liverpool? | 0:44:29 | 0:44:30 | |
Why have you brought me here? | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
Well, this is the Pitt Street area, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:33 | |
and this is the ward where your ancestor Dan Lowrey | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
decided to go into politics, | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
and this is the area he was going to hopefully represent. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
And he's decided to stand as an independent Liberal. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
Now, this was about 20 years before the Independent Labour Party. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
So he's standing for the working man. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
And the document I have here | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
-will show you a little bit more about that. -Where am I looking? | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
See here with the Pitt Street ward, there. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:58 | |
So this is 1870, the Daily Courier. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
"In this ward, which has generally been considered | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
"a Conservative stronghold, | 0:45:03 | 0:45:04 | |
"there was a perfectly unique contest. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
"The Conservative managers of the ward introduced | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
"a very eligible candidate in the person | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
"of Lieutenant Colonel CE Hamilton, a merchant and ship owner." | 0:45:12 | 0:45:17 | |
Yeah, so as far as they're concerned, | 0:45:17 | 0:45:18 | |
anybody Conservative would win this seat. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
So Dan Lowrey was very, very unusual - | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
the determination of this man to stand against all the odds. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
"Lowrey has been steady and industrious | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
"and has thrived in all his undertakings | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
"but perhaps he is hardly, either in social or mental culture, | 0:45:30 | 0:45:35 | |
"the sort of material out of which to manufacture a town council." | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
-He's not the right type. -He's not the right type. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
He's a bit rough round the edges. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
I mean, you think of what he's achieved in his life, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
-and where he's come from, it was very rude... -Very disparaging. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
Thank you very much. The right mental culture?! | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
I mean, I suppose they were unused to people like Mr Lowrey | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
getting political ideas. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
Yeah, they're not taking this guy seriously at all. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
You know, with his music hall background, | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
-I suppose they thought, "Who is this man?" -A singer. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
"It was evident yesterday that a great number of their party | 0:46:04 | 0:46:07 | |
"considered Dan Lowrey's candidature a mere joke." | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
A joke! Oh, and here we have the result. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
"The hourly progress of the voting is shown by the following return. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
"Ten o'clock - Hamilton 70, Lowrey 65." | 0:46:17 | 0:46:21 | |
It's like the football results! | 0:46:21 | 0:46:22 | |
"12 o'clock - 191 to 151." He's opening up the lead. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
Oh, then at the end, | 0:46:26 | 0:46:27 | |
"For Lieutenant Colonel Hamilton 363 votes | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
"and Mr Lowrey 298, making the majority for Colonel Hamilton 65." | 0:46:31 | 0:46:36 | |
Very, very close. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:37 | |
Yeah. He did well. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:38 | |
I think he did amazingly, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
because in consideration of where he came from and the way | 0:46:40 | 0:46:44 | |
the local press treated him as a joke, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
the Conservatives treated him as a joke, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
he was really up against it, and he did extremely well. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
Good man. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
"Mr Daniel Lowrey, who was vociferously cheered, | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
"then addressed the assemblage as follows." | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
And this is his words. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:02 | |
"I threw myself before you as the working man's candidate." Cheers. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:07 | |
"When I issued myself, | 0:47:07 | 0:47:09 | |
"I was told I was putting up for the working men, | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
"but the reply I gave was, 'I am a working man myself.' " | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
More cheers. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:16 | |
"Let me say that although I have been called a comic singer, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
"I am proud of it. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
"I have amused thousands of you for 23 years | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
"in the town of Liverpool, and whenever Dan Lowrey is called upon, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
"Dan Lowrey is there to sing them a comic song with all his heart". | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
HE BREATHES DEEPLY | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
Yes! | 0:47:33 | 0:47:34 | |
But he didn't last in Liverpool much longer. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
-He stayed only about a year. -Really? | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
And this document here will give you an idea of where he went to next. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
And if you look at the advert over on the left-hand side. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
I'm just reeling from the speech. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
"Star of Erin Music Hall, sole proprietor - Mr D Lowrey. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
"The above hall will open on Monday evening next, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
"with a complete and powerful | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
"company of vocal and instrumental artists." | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
And where is this? This is... | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
Look at the adverts, they might give you an idea. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
-Dublin. -That's quite right. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
This is the piece of jigsaw that makes sense to me, | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
because my mum always said that Dan Lowrey is from Dublin | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
-and that he had a theatre there. -Right. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
So it's great to find that that's true, it's true, he really did. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
Yeah. So we know that he left the following year, after the election. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
-Why? -Well, maybe he thinks he's run his course here, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
-maybe he was affronted by what had happened to him. -Yeah. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
Maybe he thinks it's time to move on. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
Dublin. I feel like that's my next step. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
-That's where you need to go next, yeah. -Yeah. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
In 1871, Dan Lowrey sailed with his family from Liverpool for Ireland. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:45 | |
He left his eldest son, 30-year-old Thomas, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
in charge of his music hall. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:53 | |
There have been so many surprises with Dan | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
and now he just ups sticks and leaves and goes to Dublin. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
He's a self-made man, Dan Lowrey, | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
he branded himself as the ultimate Irish singer in Liverpool, | 0:49:03 | 0:49:08 | |
and now he's going to, you know, go and take that, | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
that's taking coals to Newcastle, isn't it, really, | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
going all the way to Dublin to become, who knows, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
a singer and performer and a proprietor over there? | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
It must have been a challenge. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
I admire that about him, that he's got the determination to succeed, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
the determination to reinvent himself. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
I don't know what surprises are ahead. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
I'm sure he's got a few tricks up his sleeve. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
When Dan Lowrey arrived in Dublin, | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
music hall entertainment was only just catching on, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
and he had ambitious plans. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
To find out more, Gareth's meeting Professor Kevin Rockett. | 0:49:57 | 0:50:01 | |
-Hello. Kevin? -Ah, hello, Gareth. How are you? Welcome to Dublin. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
Thanks very much. I love the pub. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:12 | |
-Yeah, it's gorgeous, isn't it? -Wonderful. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
Can you tell me a bit about my great-great-great-great-grandfather? | 0:50:14 | 0:50:17 | |
-I can tell you lots about him. -Good. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:19 | |
But I think we'll find a quieter spot, rather than here. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:22 | |
-Right, lead on. -OK. -Past the bar. -Right. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
-I should pick up a Guinness, really, shouldn't I? -Oh! | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
As it happens, we have one of his music hall programmes here. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
Is this the theatre? | 0:50:32 | 0:50:33 | |
-This is the theatre. Now, this is... -This is amazing. It's huge! | 0:50:33 | 0:50:38 | |
There's an orchestra, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
there's ballerinas, | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
gentlemen in top hats. Goodness me! | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
It looks like an opera house. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:47 | |
This is a very, very different theatre | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
from the Malakoff Music Hall in Liverpool. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
This is quite middle-class entertainment, isn't it? | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
-It's got aspirations. -Exactly. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:56 | |
You're pointing out exactly the sort of things | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
and the image that he wanted to convey. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:01 | |
Because he was trying to make more money? | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
Trying to make more money | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
but also maybe it was, in part, a search for respectability. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
I'm amazed, because we've... | 0:51:08 | 0:51:09 | |
I've gone from Dan Lowrey being a sort of man of the people | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
and entertaining prostitutes and sailors in Liverpool, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
-to coming to be... He's a social climber. -Yes, indeed. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
-What drive in this family. It's amazing. -Yeah. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
He had a great entrepreneurial spirit | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
and he saw an opportunity, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
because Dublin didn't have a significant music hall. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:31 | |
Oh, look at this! | 0:51:33 | 0:51:34 | |
There's so much to take in. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
"Programme for the week ending 27th December 1884. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:40 | |
"Grand production entitled Lalla Rookh, | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
"supported by the following eminent artist, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
"Miss Alice Rogers from the Alhambra Palace, London." | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
-Hmm. -"The gorgeous dresses supplied by Nathan and Son, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:53 | |
"in Leicester Square." | 0:51:53 | 0:51:54 | |
So they're getting... This is very fancy, isn't it? | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
"professor Buer and his troupe of performing dogs and monkeys! | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
"He will also introduce for the first time in Dublin | 0:52:02 | 0:52:06 | |
"his wonderful performing mule!" | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
A performing mule. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:09 | |
-We don't know what it performed, but it was... -Who knows? | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
-Maybe it sang! -That's proper entertainment. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
I love it. This is a hell of a show. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
It's got everything - | 0:52:17 | 0:52:18 | |
mules, monkeys, ballerinas and big stars from London. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
It's proper variety, isn't it? | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
Indeed it is. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:25 | |
Some more on the back. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
Oh, there he is! | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
There's a picture! | 0:52:29 | 0:52:30 | |
Oh, there's two. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
Dan Lowrey Snr | 0:52:32 | 0:52:33 | |
and Dan Lowrey Jnr. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:34 | |
-Mm-hm. -Which is this, then? | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
By 1884, we have another figure coming into the picture. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
Who's that? | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
That is Dan's son, Thomas, now called Dan. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
He's changed his name to Dan... | 0:52:46 | 0:52:48 | |
To maintain... | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
-The family... -..the marketing of the Dan Lowrey name. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
That's hilarious. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
So what actually happened was that Thomas was summoned over | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
by Dan Snr to be a manager, | 0:53:00 | 0:53:02 | |
as Dan himself was becoming old and somewhat ill, | 0:53:02 | 0:53:06 | |
and Thomas was then simultaneously renamed Dan Jnr. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:11 | |
-It was part of the marketing. -Yeah. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
It's now a brand, the Dan Lowrey brand. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
That's right. Dan Jnr. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
He was never a performer, cos he had a serious stammer, | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
-but he was a magician at promotion and advertising. -Hmm. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
And Dan Snr really left | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
the running of his music hall in Dublin to his son. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
Ah. Is there anything there? | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
Can I go and see it? | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
Yes, the theatre was and indeed still is... | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
Still there?! Not a bingo hall! | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
Not a bingo hall. A theatre. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
That is wonderful. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
Perhaps tomorrow, | 0:53:48 | 0:53:49 | |
it might be possible to see what is actually left. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
Oh, you're teasing me. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
Oh, I can't wait. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
I'm really bowled over by this. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
Two Dans for the price of one. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
I can't believe it. Father and son. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
I think my family had always had the wrong Dan in their minds. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
They'd been thinking about Dan Lowrey Jnr, | 0:54:06 | 0:54:09 | |
who was the manager, the impresario, | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
and, actually, his father is the one that I've been so excited about, | 0:54:11 | 0:54:14 | |
and this man who created this theatrical legacy in his family | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
and had all the talent. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
It's wonderful. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:21 | |
Wonderful. What a revelation. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:23 | |
Dan Lowrey Sr died in Dublin in 1889 aged 66. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:32 | |
He'd been a performer for almost 50 years. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
Dan's eldest son Thomas, now known as Dan Jnr, | 0:54:38 | 0:54:42 | |
took over the management of his father's theatre. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
It has since been renamed the Olympia. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
Come and have a look what I've found. There he is. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
Dan Lowrey Snr. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:55 | |
He looks rather august and upright, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
in a little bow tie. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
And it looks like he's in the theatre | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
cos there's a hint of a velvet curtain coming down. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
He looks like a man that's, you know, come good. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
Wow! Look at this. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
Welcome to Dan Lowrey's! | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
I can't believe it. It's extraordinary. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
What a...what a treat. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:29 | |
Look at that! | 0:55:29 | 0:55:30 | |
It's quite ornate, isn't it? | 0:55:30 | 0:55:32 | |
The chandeliers, plush boxes, | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
and just vast. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
It's a really proper theatre. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
Yes, this is a really classic late-Victorian music hall, | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
the 1897 version restored to all its original power and beauty. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:50 | |
Dan Lowrey, look where you've got to! | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
And to come from Leeds, working in the mills, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
to a building... | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
to owning and running a building like this - amazing. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
Yes. They're doing extremely well. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
The family had truly arrived. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:06 | |
Yes. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:07 | |
And it's still a theatre. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
I can't believe it. It's really amazing. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
I mean, of all the things for my family to have done, | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
it's extraordinary. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:17 | |
Quite overwhelming. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
What a man. What men. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
What men, indeed. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:23 | |
I think I'm going to change my name to Dan! | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
I've always liked the name Dan. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
I set out to find out where this theatrical gene came from, | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
and it's clearly there right through my family, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
in many parts, but particularly in Dan Lowrey Snr. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
And it's just so moving to be in this room | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
and think, you know, this was my family that built this place up. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
And here it is, 130 years later. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
# When Pat came over the hill | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
# His colleen fair to see | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
# His whistle loud and shrill | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
# The signal was to be | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
# Oh, Mary, the mother cried... # | 0:57:00 | 0:57:01 | |
I've always stepped into rooms like this | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
and there's one place that I want to be, and it's not here, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
it's down there on that stage. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
And Dan Lowrey, I think, was exactly the same. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
Ruff! | 0:57:10 | 0:57:11 | |
# ..The dog is barking now | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
# And the fiddle can't play the tune... # | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
How wonderful to be related to somebody like that. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
# ..When they see the moon | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
# Now, how can he see the moon | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
# When you know he's old and blind? | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
# Blind dogs can't see the moon | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
# Nor fiddles be played by the wind | 0:57:26 | 0:57:29 | |
# Nor fiddles be played by the wind | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
# I'm not such a fool as you think | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
# I know very well it is Pat | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
# Get out, you whistling thief | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
# And get along home out of that | 0:57:39 | 0:57:41 | |
# And you must be off to your bed | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
# Don't bother me with your tears | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
# For though I have lost my eyes | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
# I haven't yet lost my ears | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
# I haven't yet lost my ears. # | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 |