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BBC journalist Frank Gardner has been | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
reporting on international terrorism for nearly 20 years. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
So far, Al-Qaeda has never managed | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
to attack any sensitive oil installations. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
Journalism. You get driven. You want answers. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
You want to know about things. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
But on the 6th of June, 2004, Frank became the news. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:28 | |
A BBC team has come under fire | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
from gunmen in a suburb of the Saudi capital Riyadh. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
A BBC cameraman, Simon Cumbers, has been killed. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
The BBC security correspondent, Frank Gardner, has been injured. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
Frank was shot six times and left for dead. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
I just thought, "I've got to get word, I've got to get help | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
"cos I've got to survive for the sake of my family." | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
Frank did survive and, after several operations, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
returned home to his wife and two daughters. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
Right, this is the blind leading the blind here, isn't it? | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
Now, Frank wants to investigate his family history. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
Daughter Sasha has dug out some old family slides. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
We've got to turn it on first. So, I reckon it's that. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
-Yeah! Oh, my God! -Is that you?! | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
-Who is that pathetic, weedy little guy?! -That's you! -Yeah. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
My mum and dad. That must have been their wedding. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
-I've not seen any of these pictures. -They look quite shy. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
It's really sweet. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
Frank's father died in 2010. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
His mother passed away only recently. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Frank knows very little about her side of the family. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Such a lovely one of my mum. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
She looks so happy. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
Wow! | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
I was really close to my mum. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
She only died a few months ago. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
So, that's a little bit raw. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
She was a hero to me. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
She was only the third woman to get into the Foreign Office | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
and she had to fight a lot of sexism and prejudice. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
Oh, cool! | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
Her maiden name was Grace Rolleston | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
and she always told me that the Rollestons | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
came over with the Normans in 1066. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
I have no idea if that is true. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
Also, I would love to discover bravery or stoicism | 0:02:14 | 0:02:20 | |
that extends beyond my mum, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
because my mum was both. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
Isn't that beautiful? | 0:02:24 | 0:02:25 | |
I just wish my mum was still alive. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
Mum, you're going to have to trust me on this one. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
The Rollestons are going to come out of this OK. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
I don't know what's in it, but let's just... | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
It'll be fine! | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
Although I've lived in a lot of different places around the world, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
every time I come down here to Hampshire, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
it does feel like coming home. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Frank's returning to his old family home where his mother lived | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
until days before her death. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
My mother, Grace Rolleston, was a massive inspiration to me - | 0:03:49 | 0:03:56 | |
right up to the last minute. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
Her spirit is very much still here. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
Ah... | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
That smell. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
That is the smell of coming home. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
This is what my mum called the breakfast room. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
And right up until last year, I'd sit here and she'd say, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
"So, tell me, what's happening?" | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
She was always seeing if there was anything she could do to help. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
The really shameful thing is that my mum | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
did used to speak about her ancestry when I was much younger | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
and you know what? I used to switch off. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
Now, I want to know | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
who WERE my ancestors? | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
Were they good people or not? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
But I can't ask her these things now, cos she's gone. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Frank's asked his maternal cousin, Teresa, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
to come and share her knowledge of their family history. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
-Hey, Teresa. -Hello. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
Thanks so much for coming. I don't see enough of you. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
-Where have you got to? -Er, not very far. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
This is as far as I've got. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
-Our grandparents, Dr John Davy Rolleston. -Yeah. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
-And Mary Edith Waring. So, you know... -Yeah. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
-..there is room for... -There's quite a lot, yes. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
We can go right back to the Domesday Book here, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
cos this is one of the things I want to find out. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
Did you ever get told this myth that we came over with the Normans? | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
With William the Conqueror, yes. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
I've always heard we are originally Norman French. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
How it went after that, I simply don't know. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
Shall we kind of rein in our ambitions? | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
There's rather a large gap between then and now, yeah! | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
-What have you brought? -I've got three things. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
Because, you see, I've been digging a bit. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
-Oh, my goodness! -Now that... | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
-That is lovely. -That's our grandfather, John. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
Actually, he looks quite happy in that in that photograph, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
but I just have a thing in the back of my mind | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
-that he didn't have a happy childhood. -I wonder why. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
And didn't speak about his parents. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
That's odd. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
So, what do we actually know about our grandfather's parents? | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
Well, not very much. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
What I have got is something about them | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
-in this obituary of our grandfather. -Wow! | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
"Dr John Davy Rolleston was born in 1873 | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
"at Oxford where his father..." | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
Here we go. "..his father George Rolleston, MD..." | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
OK, so, we've got the name of our great-grandfather. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
"..was Linacre professor of anatomy and physiology." | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
If he was a professor at Oxford, he's quite illustrious... | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
-It's really odd... -..so you'd think...and ALSO a doctor, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
so you would kind of think that he would speak about his parents. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
But I don't know anything about him. Do you? | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
-Um... I've got something else to show you. -OK. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
That is a photograph of Professor George. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
Oh, that's brilliant. He looks a right sort of bounder, actually. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
-A bit rakish. -Yes, definitely! | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
And then here... | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
this is Professor George's wife | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
and your great-grandmother, Grace. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
Look at that. Isn't it a great photograph? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
-So, Grace is presumably after whom your mother was called. -Yeah. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:19 | |
But I... This woman who is... | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
knitting a chicken here, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
I'd love to know what, you know, what she did. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
She'd knit chickens and be a good... | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
-goodly wife to Professor George! -Yeah. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
So, it seems to me, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
cousin, that, um, the mystery here in our family history | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
is...our grandfather. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
Yes. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:42 | |
Why did he never ever talk about his parents? | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
-It could be so many things, like, you know... -Maybe he was mean. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
-Maybe... -..he beat the children or his wife. -I won't speculate, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
I'm going to get to the bottom of this! | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
I'm a hard-nosed working journalist, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:54 | |
-I'm going to have to go to Oxford to find this out. -You are. You are. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Frank has discovered that his mother, Grace, | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
was named after his great-grandmother, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
wife of Oxford professor, George Rolleston. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
Frank has come to the Oxford University | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
Museum of Natural History. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
He's meeting an expert on George Rolleston's career, Dr Megan Price. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
-Dr Price. -Hello. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
-Thank you for coming. -Good to meet you. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
-You, too. -Yes. -What a great office you've got! | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Isn't it wonderful, yes. It's a cathedral to science. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
And here's somebody else you might like to meet. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
Oh, my God! There he is! | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
-It's my great-grandfather! -Isn't he wonderful? | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Oh, my goodness! Wow! | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
That is fantastic! | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
It's an absolutely amazing bust. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
You can see the sort of... No, you can't see it at all! | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
-You can, you can see... -No, no, I'm joking! I look nothing like him! | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
-He's kind of... -Oh, I don't know. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
-I mean he's got a Heathcliff look about him, yes. -Yeah. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
Linacre Professor of Physiology. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
What is physiology? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
The study of the human body. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
But not just physiology, anatomy and zoology. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
He had professorships in three different disciplines. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
-Here at Oxford University. -Here in the Museum, in the Museum. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
-The post was created for him to work in this museum. -Wow! | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
Oxford University was at the forefront of scientific | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
thought in Victorian Britain. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
George Rolleston was one of its leading lights. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
I want to show you a picture here. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:50 | |
-Er, there he is. -Oh, my God! | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
You see he's got a skull there. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
He is taking an anatomy class. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Wow! Oh, I'm so chuffed. That is brilliant. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
George Rolleston was at the cutting edge of science | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
at one of the most controversial moments in history. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
In November 1859, Charles Darwin published On The Origin Of Species | 0:10:10 | 0:10:15 | |
which suggested that humans and apes shared common ancestry. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
Darwin's radical theory scandalised those parts of Victorian society | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
that still believed mankind was descended from Adam and Eve. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
It even divided the country's greatest scientific minds. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
Here's a letter from one of Rolleston's friends. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
"Yours sincerely, Charles Darwin." | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
Wow! | 0:10:46 | 0:10:47 | |
This is a letter from Charles Darwin? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
This is a letter from Charles... And one of many. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
-To my great-grandfather? -Yes. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
"My dear sir, you are very kind in telling me not to write. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
"It is a pleasure for me to do this. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
"Your note is a real gold mine of facts and suggestions... | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
"all..." underlined "..new to me." | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
How wonderful! | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
"With hearty thanks from favours past and to come, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
"yours sincerely, Charles Darwin." | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
What do you think were these favours | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
that my grandfather gave Charles Darwin? | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
-They were exchanging knowledge. -Right. -They were exchanging... | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
He wasn't fixing him up on blind dates or anything?! Right. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
I'll tell you what's slightly baffling me here, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
is that he was this really charismatic, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
popular, impressive guy, and yet, his son, my grandfather, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
Dr John Rolleston, never spoke about him. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
-Why do you think that was? -I have no idea. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
I mean it may be, like many Victorian fathers, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
-his work was his life and perhaps... -And probably never saw his children. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
..and perhaps he didn't see his children. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
You'd think he'd have been proud of him | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
and talked about him, but he never did. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:57 | |
To get to the bottom of why his grandfather | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
never talked about his parents, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Frank wants to find out about George and Grace Rolleston's family life. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:10 | |
So, I'm going to start by looking at the census of 1871, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:19 | |
the last census before my grandfather was born. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
OK. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
So, George Rolleston was head of the house. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
So, then there's the wife, Grace. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
Then it looks like there are several children here - | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
George, William, Margaret, Rosmund. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
He and his wife were absolutely banging out the kids here! | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
One after another. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
Heavens! | 0:12:41 | 0:12:42 | |
But my grandfather wasn't born yet then. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
So, I'm going to go on now to the 1881 census, the next one. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
Oxford... | 0:12:52 | 0:12:53 | |
Ah... John D Rolleston, aged eight. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
There he is. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
That's my grandfather. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:01 | |
Ah... | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
OK. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
The really key thing here | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
is that in 1881 Grace Rolleston is listed as the head of the family. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
It says, "Wife of Professor of Anatomy" | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
and that's crossed out. But it doesn't say "widow". | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
So, that's really odd. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
My great-grandfather's family seems to have fallen apart. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
Did he do a runner? | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
Wow. Maybe he did. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
Maybe that's why my grandfather never talked about him. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
Like somebody going to the doctor's and getting bad news, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
I want a second opinion. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:52 | |
I'm tending to think my great-grandfather was still alive, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
but he ran out on the family. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
He's just vanished. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
To try and uncover the truth, Frank is meeting Oxford genealogist | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
and local historian Olivia Robinson. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
Right. I'm not going to beat around the bush here. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
So, Olivia, the gap that I'm really hoping | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
you're going to fill in for me is this mystery, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
-why my great-grandfather disappeared from the census. -OK. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
We're going to start with a copy of that census. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:40 | |
-So, Grace Rolleston is mentioned as the head of the household. -Mm-hm. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
And it doesn't say "widow", | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
-it says, "Wife of Professor of Anatomy," crossed out. -Crossed out. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
In this particular instance, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
if you look a little further down the page, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
you'll see somebody else has put her occupation | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
as "Barrister's wife", crossed out. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
The enumerators used to discount "wife of somebody" | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
-as being an occupation. -The crossing out doesn't mean | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
-that she was separated or abandoned... -No... | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
..but it still doesn't explain why Professor George | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
is completely absent from the 1881 census. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
-Let me show you a letter... -OK. -..see what you make of this. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
-It's from Grace... -Wow! | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
..to her sister-in-law. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
So, this is March, 1881. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
So, a whisker, just weeks before the census. Right. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
-I'm going to use the... Your... -Please do. -..typed sheet. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
"My dear Mary, perhaps by this time you have heard | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
"that George has been sent away by his doctors | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
"for complete change and rest to Italy." | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
So 1881, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
the census had been and gone, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
so he's not mentioned because he's convalescing in Italy. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
-Absolutely. Shall we have a look at another letter? -Yes. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
-This is a transcript of a letter that was sent by George... -Yeah. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:03 | |
..to his wife, Grace. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
"May 26th, 1881. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
"Dearest Grace, it is only today and just now | 0:16:09 | 0:16:12 | |
"that I've heard of your being laid up. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
"We intend to start for Paris which is only nine hours from London, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
"and if I can do you any good by my coming, so much the better. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
"Your very loving George Rolleston." | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
He's travelling back because Grace, his wife, is not well. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
"It's only today and just now that I've heard of your being laid up," | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
cos this poor woman is running this huge household without him. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
-Absolutely. -It's so full of love, this. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
OK. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
Four days later, this is George dictating a letter to his sister. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
"My dear Marianne, they've put me upon oxygen to inhale | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
"and they're putting a blister over my heart | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
"which hope may do something for me." | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
And then there's all these doctors, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
"..who think that I might alarm and disturb Grace..." | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
His wife. "..by coming home sooner than I had intended." | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
So, really quite a different picture being painted. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
One to reassure his wife perhaps, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:06 | |
and one to explain to his sister really how he's feeling. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
It's almost like a tragic love story, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
because he clearly loves his wife still. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
They are a family. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:19 | |
He is, I suspect, dying somewhere in Europe, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
trying to get back to her | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
before the illness overtakes him. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
So, this is from... | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
George's sister. And she's writing to George's brother. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
"George returned last Thursday..." | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
To Oxford, presumably. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
"The complaint has now developed into heart disease. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
"I need not tell you | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
"who has so fully always valued his love and returned it... | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
"..what we're losing." | 0:17:53 | 0:17:54 | |
-VOICE BREAKING: -This is so sad! | 0:17:58 | 0:17:59 | |
I said I wasn't going to cry on this bloody programme! OK. Agh! | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
-"I...I..." -HE SIGHS | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
It's just... It's just so sad cos he's dying. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
"The world is a room... room of sickness, indeed to us. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:28 | |
"For in another room lies his poor, dear little wife, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
"unconscious of the terrible sorrow awaiting her | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
"if she lives even to realise it." | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
Jeez, they're dying side-by-side | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
in rooms next to each other! | 0:18:40 | 0:18:41 | |
My grand...great-grandmother and great-grandfather. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
HE EXHALES | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
I don't know why I'm so upset by this. It's... I mean, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
it's just so sad him racing back to be beside her. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
But he's dying and she's... | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
Looks like she's dying in the next-door room. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
Well, just put me out of my agony here. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
Well, I have here a certificate of death for... | 0:19:13 | 0:19:18 | |
Oh, God! Right. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
"George Rolleston, 51 years, contracted kidney, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
"one year, fibroid degeneration of arteries." | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
Crikey... | 0:19:28 | 0:19:29 | |
Imagine the determination | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
if you have suffered a year of kidney failure | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
to cross Europe... | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
..to get home in some considerable pain. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
OK. Well, I really... I just... I really want to know about the... | 0:19:45 | 0:19:50 | |
I'm desperate to know now about Grace. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
For that, you may want to have a look in an archive | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
that's held in Oxford called the Oxfordshire Health Archives. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
But your serious face is not filling me with optimism here. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
I was really looking to see | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
if I could discover this incredible stoicism that my mother had. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:18 | |
And I've absolutely found it, I think, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
in my great-grandfather, Professor George Rolleston, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
because he came back dying to be with Grace, his wife. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
So, leave aside the whole professor of anatomy thing, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
you know, the bust to him in the museum, great, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
but what an amazing person to do that... | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
and how tragic for his seven children | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
that they were left without a father so young. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
To find out what happened to Grace after George's death in 1881, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
Frank has come to the Oxfordshire Health Archives. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
Don't I have to fill out masses of forms in triplicate? | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
-No, not for that, it's just an index. -OK. I'm looking under | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
the very first hospital I'm coming to, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Warneford Hospital Admissions between 1826 and 1895. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:26 | |
So, certainly in 1881, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
there is no mention of her here. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
Ah, here she is. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
Admitted on the 18th June, 1884. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
So, three years after this, this weird illness. OK. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:45 | |
What more can I learn about her? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
There'll be some case notes to go with the admissions | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
which I can find for you. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:51 | |
-Oh, can you? Brilliant. -OK. Just be a moment. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
This is really perplexing. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:57 | |
It's another three years before she's admitted to hospital. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
So, what was wrong with her? | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
OK, here we are. Case notes. There's an index at the front. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
-This is the original 19th century case notes? -Yes. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Wow! I'm going to go for R for Rolleston. OK. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
Oh, wow, they were very organised! | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Here we go. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:22 | |
"Rolleston, Mrs Grace. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
"Small, slight woman, about 5'2"... | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
"Stubbly complexion"? Surely not! | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
"Oh, ruddy complexion. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
"Hair, dark streaked with grey..." I'm not surprised. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
"History. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
"Has been a healthy woman | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
"but has had previous attacks of insanity." | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
Wow! | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
"The first being three years ago... | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
"..when she was aged 50 years on her husband's death." | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
Crikey! | 0:22:59 | 0:23:00 | |
This is absolutely... This is shocking. I...I had no idea. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
This poor woman, she's gone to pieces without him. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
"Since then, as each June has come round on the 16th, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
"the day of her husband's death, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
"she is described as having become lost, refused all food. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
"In the evening, she was conveyed..." Something? | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
"..to the asylum." Crikey. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
And I mean she still had... | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
She had seven children, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
no father and their mother was having bouts of madness. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
Can you imagine what a woman's asylum... | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
or anybody's asylum must have been like in Victorian Britain? | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
I think, I'm going to have to go there. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
Right, that's where I'm going next. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:47 | |
Warneford Mental Hospital, East of Oxford. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Well, here it is. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
Today, it's an NHS hospital, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
but 135 years ago, something a bit different. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
Frank is meeting Dr Richard Barnett. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
-Richard. -Frank. Hello. Welcome to Warneford. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
-Thank you very much. -Do come inside. -Thanks. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
Richard, so what would conditions have been like | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
for my great-grandmother coming here? | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
Grace was being treated at a time when the dominant model | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
was so-called "moral therapy" or "non-restraint". | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
We have a very good source for this, in fact. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
We found in the archives here | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
the Warneford Asylum Rules and Regulations | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
for the period in which Grace was here. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Page 50 has some interesting points on it. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
Page 50, let's have a look. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
"If you are called upon to use main force, never strike. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
"If you are a striker, you're not fit for your situation. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
"Striking a patient is forbidden in this house." Well, that's good. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Well, this is not about violence. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
This is not about beating the madness out of patients, certainly. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
Did anybody actually give her any proper therapeutic counselling? | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
No. Absolutely not. Nobody is trying to understand the story behind her. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
She's been given drugs like chloral hydrate, potassium bromide, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
very simple sedatives to be submissive, essentially. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
So, what happens to her? | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
Well, I've checked the records here at Warneford | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-and she isn't readmitted here. -That's good. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
-But we've found some evidence of her elsewhere. -That's bad. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
If you follow me through to the library, I'll tell you about that. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
I was rather hoping that that was it, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
and she then lived happily ever after. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
In the archives, Richard has discovered that in 1885, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
Grace was admitted to another asylum in Chiswick. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
So, we can learn more about her stay at Chiswick | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
by looking at the case notes relating to her time there. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
-Here we are. -I don't know if I can read this. Again, it's... Um... | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
"Today refused food almost entirely. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
"Was fed by stomach tube. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:12 | |
"Beef, milk, eggs and brandy." | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
-Her condition is worsening. -Mm. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
It says here, "Delusions that she is covered in dynamite." | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
"She fears sitting by the fire." | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
-Understandably, if you're covered in dynamite. -Yeah... | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
Oh, this is interesting. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
"Was visited yesterday by her son, a boy at school." | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
-That must have been my grandfather, John. -Ah. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
Because he would have been 13. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
"This was without Dr Tuke's sanction or approval." | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
Good heavens. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:50 | |
So, he decided he was just going to come and see her. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
"She told the nurse she was a dog and a monster." Good heavens! | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
Can you imagine what that would have been like | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
for my 13-year-old grandfather, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
to make the journey on his own from Oxford to Chiswick, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
only to find that she's so mad, she thinks she's a dog? | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
Oh, my God, no wonder! | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
-I mean, this explains why he never talked about his family. -Mm. Mm. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:21 | |
It's just... It's so tragic, it really is. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
Oh, my goodness! | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
-"Is today transferred to private care at Sevenoaks." -Mm. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
What happens to her there? | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
She stayed there until 1914. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
She lasted 28 years. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
Another 28 years and she died in private care in Sevenoaks | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
-at the age of 83. -Good God! | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
Wow! | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
I'm...I'm staggered. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:47 | |
Crikey... | 0:27:50 | 0:27:51 | |
Before he leaves Oxford, Frank has come to the cemetery | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
to try and find the grave of his great-grandfather, George Rolleston. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
Oh, my goodness. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
I was expecting to see... | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
George... | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
George's grave here. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
But it's his, AND Grace. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
They're buried together. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
My gosh! | 0:28:34 | 0:28:35 | |
I'm so happy that they're reunited. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
It's a tale of both triumph and tragedy, really. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
I've definitely found the stoicism | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
that I really hoped one of my ancestors would have, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
in George Rolleston. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
I'm very sad that his wife suffered as much as she did. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:06 | |
So, these are my great-grandparents? | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
So sad for their children. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
My grandfather really didn't have much of an upbringing. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
But he must have loved his mother, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
despite her insanity, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
so much that he named his only daughter Grace, my mother. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
Frank still wants to know | 0:29:53 | 0:29:54 | |
if his mother's line can be traced back to the Normans. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
This is looking promising. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
He's received a letter from his cousin, Teresa. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
"When I got home, I dug out some other family papers | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
"and came across this photograph of a portrait of Dorothy Burdett, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
"who was the wife of the Reverend John Rolleston | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
"and our grandfather's great-great-grandmother. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
"This puts it in the mid-18th century | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
"but I thought it might interest you." | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
Just a little, yeah! OK. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
I'm still a long way from 1066, but that is a leap back. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
Oh, wow! | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
My four times great-grandmother. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
I'm going to try the internet again. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
Let's have a look. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:47 | |
So, I'm going to look in births, deaths and marriages | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
and see what I can find. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:54 | |
Dorothy Burdett... | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
OK, search. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
OK, here we go. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
So, there's no picture of the marriage certificate. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
But it does give a place. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
So, they were married in 1736 in Foremark, Derby. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
Spouse, John Rolleston. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
I'd better go to Foremark in Derby. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
Frank has taken his family tree back another 150 years. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
He's discovered that Dorothy Burdett and the Reverend John Rolleston | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
are his four times great-grandparents. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
Dorothy and John married in a place called Foremark. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:43 | |
There's only one building there today - | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
Foremarke Hall. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
Wow! | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
This is something out of Brideshead Revisited! | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
I have no idea what my family connection is with this place. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:10 | |
Downstairs? Upstairs? Lord of it or doing the... | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
you know, maintaining the herbaceous border, I've no idea. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
Foremarke Hall is now a school | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
and Frank is meeting its Headmaster, Richard Merriman. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
-Headmaster. -What a great pleasure to welcome you here to Foremarke! | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
-Great to have you here, Frank. -Thanks very much. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
Let's go and sit over this way. Perhaps we can... | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
Richard is an historian | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
and has spent years researching family histories | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
linked to Foremarke Hall. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
So, Richard, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
what is my connection here? | 0:32:43 | 0:32:44 | |
This is where your great-great-great-great-grandmother, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
Dorothy Burdett was born, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
but not in this house. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
Dorothy lived in the previous house, a Jacobean manor | 0:32:56 | 0:33:01 | |
which was equally impressive, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
and it was considered to be large and convenient. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
-That's a bit of an understatement! -Absolutely. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
Richard has a surprise for Frank. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
Using records from the school's archives, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
-he's traced Frank's family back even further. -And here we have... | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
Oh, this is brilliant! This is amazing. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
-It... It is fascinating. -Yeah! | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
-And, let's look down here at the bottom here... -Yeah. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
-..is your John Rolleston... -Yeah... -..and... -Dorothy Burdett. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
-And her parents, Robert Burdett and Elizabeth Tracy. -Fantastic. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:34 | |
And this takes you back to a name | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
which is particularly important in Nottinghamshire - | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
a very significant name - | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
and that is the name of Stanhope. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
Mm-mm. And when would this have been? What kind of period? | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
We are now back into the time and reign of Henry VIII. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
No way! | 0:33:53 | 0:33:54 | |
-Marrying Ann Rawson. -Rawson. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
Crikey! Tudor times. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
-Absolutely. -This is very Wolf Hall. This is great. I'm loving this. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
OK, so, we've gone back to my ten times great-grandparents now... | 0:34:03 | 0:34:10 | |
-Yes... -In the 1500s. -Absolutely. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:11 | |
Fantastic! And where would he have lived and why is he a "Sir"? | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
-Why is knighted? -I have no knowledge of the reason behind his knighthood. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:19 | |
But the Stanhopes were a very big landowning family | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
up in north Nottinghamshire. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
Ah! So, you reckon that's where I've go to go next, Nottinghamshire? | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
Next county along, across the River Trent. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
-I've got to go and find out who he was, this guy. -Good luck. -Yeah! | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
Frank has pushed his family tree back another 200 years, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
to Sir Michael Stanhope. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
Sir Michael lived during the reign of Henry VIII | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
at a time when knighthoods had to be earned. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
Michael Stanhope was here in Nottinghamshire | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
and I'm really curious to know how did he become "Sir"? | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
How did he get knighted? | 0:35:00 | 0:35:01 | |
Frank has come to Rufford Abbey | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
where he's hoping Dr Jonathan Healey can provide some answers. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:11 | |
-Jonathan. -Hi, Frank. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
-Thanks for doing this. -Pleasure. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
So, what would Michael Stanhope have been doing | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
here in Nottinghamshire, to make his mark? | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Well, Stanhope, he's a relatively new man. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
He's someone who is not amongst the richest in Tudor society, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
but he's someone who is kind of on the make a little bit. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
And this landscape here is where he made his name. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
It's a place which had a pivotal role in one | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
-of the most contentious decades in English history, the 1530s. -Wow! | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
And Henry VIII has just broken with Rome | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
and he wants to do a massive land grab on the English Church, so he... | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
-A kind of Tudor Mugabe? -Absolutely. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
In 1536, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
the new head of the English Church, King Henry VIII, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
decided that the wealth | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
of the nation's 900 or so religious houses belonged to him. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
He seized their assets and dismantled their buildings - | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
an act of destruction that proved deeply divisive. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
In Nottinghamshire's neighbouring county, Lincolnshire, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
nearly 20,000 men gathered in open revolt against the Crown. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
Local gentry are making the decision - | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
do they go with the rebels or do they stick with the government. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
And this is the decision | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
which Michael Stanhope had to make in 1536. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:31 | |
And which way did he go? | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
Well, we have a document which might shed some light on that. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
It's a letter from the Earl of Shrewsbury to Henry VIII. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
"Please it your Noble Grace, to assemble and gather my servants, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
"tenants and friends to apprehend | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
"and take the said captains of this, their insurrection." | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
And then there's a load of names of people including Michael Stanhope. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
So, Michael then was part of this cabal | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
-which is essentially trying to shore up the Tudor monarchy? -Yes. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
So, immediately a group of local people formed a rapid reaction force | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
and Michael was part of that force. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
So, they nipped the insurrection in the bud here in Nottinghamshire? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
They did, yes. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:11 | |
It was the decisions of people like Michael which saved the Crown. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
King Henry VIII dispensed gifts of land and positions of power | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
to those who had supported him. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
Men like Michael Stanhope. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
Show me what you've got. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
Well, and this is as you can see, one of the exciting things. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
-Who is this? -Michael Stanhope. -(No way!) | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
Wow! | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
-Look at that. -Mm. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:43 | |
-I am his ten times great-grandson. -Yeah. -Wow! | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
He's kind of fingering these medallions. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
-Do you think, by then, he's already knighted? -Possibly, yes. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
So, how did he get his knighthood? | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
Well, he does crop up in a document from 1545. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
He's being sent to Hull to fortify the town. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
"Michael Stanhope to the Council. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
"On 6th of Feb was seen riding off Flamborough Head | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
-"two Scottish top men-of-war..." Ships, presumably. -Mm, yes. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
-"..with two French pinnaces." Also ships, yeah? -Yes. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
So, this is a reasonably strong sort of mini-fleet. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
In the 1540s, England was embroiled in a series of wars | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
with Catholic France and Scotland. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
Hull was a strategically vital port, a target for French invasion. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:34 | |
If Hull could be taken, so might England. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
Michael Stanhope was now on the front line. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
"Two French pinnaces chased ships of Hull and Beverly... | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
"into Scarborough Road, but were put off by gunners | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
"sent thither by Stanhope himself, who shot out of the castle at them." | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
-Is this how he gets his knighthood? -Yes. Yeah. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
-From overseeing the defence of Hull against enemy shipping? -Yes. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
-He then becomes Sir Michael. He gets his knighthood. -Wow! | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
-Is this the pinnacle of his career now? -Um, no. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
-In 1547, Henry VIII dies. -That must be huge for him. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:16 | |
Yeah. The new king is Henry's nine-year-old son, Edward. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
Edward VI is obviously young, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
so he needs some kind of management by a major servant of state. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
Have you heard of Edward Seymour? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
-Anything to do with Jane Seymour? -Yes. -Right. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
But also, um... | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
-Michael's half-sister's husband. -Oh, my God! | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
Sir Michael Stanhope's half-sister Anne, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
married courtier Edward Seymour. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
His sister, Jane Seymour, was the third wife of Henry VIII. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:54 | |
She died soon after giving birth to the King's only son, Edward. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
The nine-year-old Edward VI was now king. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
His uncle, Edward Seymour, became the most powerful man in England. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
He was declared Lord Protector | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
and made himself First Duke of Somerset. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
Sir Michael Stanhope was now part of the greater royal family. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
Frank has come to London to discover what these changes meant | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
for his ten times great-grandfather. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
-Thanks for coming. -Great to meet you. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
He's meeting historian John Murphy, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
who's researched Michael Stanhope's life in detail. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
So, John, I never knew that such a beast existed | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
as an expert in Michael Stanhope, but I've found one in you! | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
What happened when he came down from Hull and got here to London? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
Well, he gets a very important job. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
But it's a little bit of a surprise though, I suppose. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
Have you ever seen one of those before? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
-Um, it looks like an incredibly plush toilet. -It is. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:03 | |
That's got to be the most comfortable | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
Tudor khazi that was...ever created! | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
Well, kings can spend a great deal of time sitting on that. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
-Whole roast swans would pass through that! -Pass through it happily! | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
It's kept in the King's bed chamber, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
and it's looked after by a man called the Groom of the Stool. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
-HE LAUGHS -You're kidding! | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
-That really existed, that title? -Yes. That title really existed. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
And it is to that appointment | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
-that your ancestor Sir Michael Stanhope... -Oh, come on...! | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
-No. -No, no. -Yes, yes. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
-Yeah. And not only that... -So... Wait, wait, wait. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
-No, back the truck up here. -Yeah. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
Stanhope - you know, he's defended Hull, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
he's put the artillery in the right places, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
-he's seen off the French and Scottish fleets... -Absolutely. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
-..and he's put in charge of sewage, essentially? -He's the King's... | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
-The King's effluent. -He's put in charge of the King's effluent | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
because the King's effluent is where the King is. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
I mean, this is... this is a hammer blow, John. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
This is one of the most important jobs | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
-in the royal court at this time. -You're not selling it to me. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
And he is the man who alone can go into the bed chamber of the King | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
and you can't see the King, speak to the King, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
put a message across to the King | 0:42:14 | 0:42:15 | |
without first going through Sir Michael Stanhope. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
He's, in every sense, a sort of father-figure to the King. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
So, how did Stanhope become the closest confidante of the Boy King? | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
He gets this job, um, really through Somerset, Edward Seymour, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
who is the King's uncle, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
and by giving it to Stanhope, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
who is his brother-in-law, effectively, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
it keeps the King and access to the King in the family. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
But Somerset does have his enemies, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
and the biggest enemy he has, | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
a man called the Earl of Warwick, general bad guy. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
He's waiting for his chance. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
He's circling the court in this period, a bit like a vulture, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
waiting for his opportunity to do down Somerset. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
As tensions between the rivals escalated, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
Somerset made a major mistake. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
He handed his rival, the Earl of Warwick, control of the army, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
ordering him out of court of suppress a rebellion. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:15 | |
But Warwick returned a hero, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
at the head of a devoted army. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
He was now the most powerful man in the country. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
Warwick displaces Somerset. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
Somerset loses his position at court | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
and your man Stanhope | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
loses his job in the privy chamber. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
(Oh, God!) | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
Sir Michael Stanhope's job was handed to one of Warwick's men. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:44 | |
The Earl of Warwick wasn't content with simply ousting his rivals... | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
..he wanted to destroy them. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
I have a very bad feeling, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:04 | |
I don't know why, that something bad is going to happen to my ancestor. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
Well, this is the King's diary | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
and I'd like you to have a look at this entry here. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
"Mr Banister and Mr Vaughan | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
"were attached and sent to the Tower and so was Mr Stanhope." | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
-So, my ancestor was carted off to the Tower of London? -Yes. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
This is really serious. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
But there is always a chance that you can make a case in a courtroom. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:33 | |
But he is in deep doo-doo. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:34 | |
And he is in very deep doo-doo, there's no question about that. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:38 | |
Can I open this? I really want to know... | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
-Yeah. I think you should open it. -..what happens next. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
After his arrest, Stanhope was brought before a closed court | 0:44:42 | 0:44:47 | |
to hear the allegations against him. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
This is called the "bag of secrets" | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
for very secret state trials... | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
..of which this is one. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:58 | |
My God, look at this. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
This is all in legal Latin, but we have here a translation. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:07 | |
"Michael Stanhope, late of Beddington | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
"in the county of Surrey. Knight. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
"Not having God before their eyes | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
"but led by diabolical prompting | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
"to feloniously take, imprison, and murder | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
"the most noble John, Duke of Northumberland, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
"then Earl of Warwick." Oh, heavens! | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
He's been accused of plotting against Northumberland | 0:45:24 | 0:45:27 | |
and others of the Council. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:29 | |
But since 1549, that has been treason. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
-Right. -It's as if he was plotting against the king. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
OK. I am dying to know, how does he defend himself? | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
How does my ancestor get out of this...this hole? | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
Well, let's see... Let's see where he enters his plea. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:44 | |
-And so can you see here? -I can. Just right there. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
That's it, Michael Stanhope. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
And you can see above, they've entered in his plea. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
Have a look here. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
"Michael Stanhope, late of Beddington in the county of Surrey. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
"Knight. He pleads not guilty." | 0:46:00 | 0:46:01 | |
He denies it strenuously. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
-So, the jury has been assembled. -Yeah. -What do they decide? | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
Well, let's see. So, if you go from that line there... | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
"And so came the jury for this case. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
"Before the said Justices at Westminster, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
"say it upon their oath that the said Michael Stanhope is guilty." | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
"It's ordered...Michael Stanhope should be hanged." | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
He's been sentenced to death! | 0:46:30 | 0:46:31 | |
-He has been sentenced to death and... -On what evidence? | 0:46:31 | 0:46:35 | |
This is the word of his enemies against his. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
So, my ancestor has been found guilty of conspiracy | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
against his king with no proof of anything against him | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
-other than the word of other people? -That's right. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
Hearsay. Sworn hearsay. | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
Was he, in your mind, guilty? | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
I think Stanhope is innocent. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
-I think they were all innocent men, and that's... -It's a fit up. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
..and that's how Tudor justice works, I'm afraid. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
It doesn't sound like justice to me. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
Is it now an inexorable passage to the gallows? | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
It is now a matter that will be very much in personal hands of the King. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:14 | |
This story has taken a really dark turn. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
I'm not happy about it at all. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
He is my ancestor, Sir Michael Stanhope, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
and he's facing execution and his life, his fate, | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
rests in the hands of a 13-year-old boy, King Edward VI. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:42 | |
This is not a good position for him to be in. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:44 | |
Sir Michael Stanhope was sent to the Tower. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
He entered across the drawbridge used by members of the royal family. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
He was imprisoned alongside three of the other alleged conspirators. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
Imagine being brought in here under heavy guard. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
There's no escape. And you're facing execution. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
It must have been beyond terrifying. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
Frank wants to discover if the 13-year-old king | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
saved his ancestor from the hangman. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
-Stephen. -Hello. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:44 | |
He's hoping Professor Stephen Alford can tell him. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
Forgive this, um, slightly strange contraption. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:51 | |
This would have been a massive come-down for Sir Michael Stanhope, | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
-wouldn't it? -Absolutely. | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
-Would he have been in a room like this, a kind of stone room? -Yes. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
Any heating? Would he be allowed a fire? | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
Yes, fire, braziers, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
but he would have paid for it himself. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
But he hasn't got any money left. It's all been taken away from him. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
Yeah, which explains our first document. We can look... | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
-Oh, neatly segued. -..at a document here which is a warrant. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
-So impressive. -Here... -Brilliant. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
So, we've got a translation here. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
Just down there. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:25 | |
"Warrant to the Exchequer: | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
"To deliver to the Lieutenant of the Tower | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
"56 pounds 13 shillings and 4 pence | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
"to be distributed unto Sir Thomas Arundel, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
"Sir Michael Stanhope," et cetera. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
-So, these are the four alleged conspirators. -Yes. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
But is this the king, King Edward who's ordered this? | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
It's the council and I think we can assume | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
that Edward is somewhere behind it. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
Is that a glimmer of hope that maybe there's a suspicion | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
-that they're not guilty? -Well, there's a degree of clemency here. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
So, after weeks of being on tenterhooks, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
-he must either get executed or pardoned? -Mm. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
Which is it? | 0:50:01 | 0:50:02 | |
It's executed. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
But it's not hanged. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:08 | |
-It's beheaded. -Oh, Christ! -Yeah. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
HE GROANS | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
That sends a shiver down my spine, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
particularly as we're, we're sitting here in the Tower | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
where he was incarcerated, unfairly. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
I was honestly expecting this to be a happy meeting. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:26 | |
I thought you were going to say, | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
"The King's piled in, intervened, and let him off." | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
Beheading is some nods in the direction of mercy. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:38 | |
It was a better, speedier death than hanging. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
-But it would have been public? -Yes. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
Oh, absolutely, yes. Out... Out there. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:46 | |
-Just yards away from where we are now? -Yeah, absolutely. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:49 | |
Which takes us to another document. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
An account of the execution. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
Oh, my God...! | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
"Friday, the 26th of February. | 0:50:57 | 0:50:58 | |
"At nine of the clock in the forenoon..." | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
-So, nine in the morning. -Mm. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
"..Sir Michael Stanhope and Sir Thomas Arundel | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
"were beheaded on the Tower Hill... | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
"..all which took on their death that they never offended | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
"against the King's Majesty nor against any of his council." | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
-So, they maintained their innocence right till the last. -Yes. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:21 | |
That's shocking. That is shocking. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
I don't care that it was half a millennium ago, it's just a... | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
an absolute travesty. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:32 | |
Beheaded, for something he hadn't done! | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
This is a guy who's served his country well. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
He was wrongly accused, wrongly convicted, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
and went to his death with dignity. | 0:51:44 | 0:51:47 | |
That's an ancestor I can be proud of. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:49 | |
I set out on this quest trying to find some element of stoicism, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:13 | |
some steel, some fibre in my ancestors, | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
because my mum had it in spades. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:17 | |
I didn't know if it existed. But it did. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
There's Professor George, the ground-breaking Victorian scientist | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
and there was Sir Michael Stanhope, who was wrongly convicted, | 0:52:25 | 0:52:30 | |
and yet, he went to his death with dignity. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
Something that both myself and my mum would have been proud of. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
The one thing I haven't found out on this trip | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
is just how far back I can trace my mum's lineage. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
I'm really chuffed that I've got as them far back as Tudor times. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
Can I get them any further? | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
Frank has come to the College Of Arms, | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
which has been verifying family trees since the 15th century. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
-Peter. -Hello. How do you do? | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
Peter O'Donoghue is one of the college heralds. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
-Shall we go through? -Yeah. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
So, Peter, my mother said, | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
"We're descended from the Normans in 1066." | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
I've no idea if this is true or not. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
-Did my ancestors come over with them? -OK, well, I think we have | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
got a manuscript which should help us go a bit further back. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
I feel I'm about to be served a kind of historical banquet here. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
-Yeah, that's right. A genealogical feast! -Yes! | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
This is a collection of pedigrees created in the early 19th century. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
And if we look at the index... | 0:53:36 | 0:53:39 | |
Oh, there's Stanhope! Straightaway, yeah. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
Pages 145... | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
This is beautiful paper, isn't it? | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
Yeah. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:48 | |
So, here we are. Sir Michael Stanhope. OK. Shelford. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:53 | |
Beheaded, 1552. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:55 | |
And then behind that, is Scrope... | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
Yeah. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
..into 1347, Earl of Gloucester. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:06 | |
And we go back as far as Joan Plantagenet of Acre. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:11 | |
And so, her father was King Edward I. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:16 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:54:16 | 0:54:17 | |
(Wow!) | 0:54:19 | 0:54:20 | |
-So, am I a direct descendent, then, of King Edward I? -Yeah, exactly. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:28 | |
That's exactly what this document is showing us. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
I think it's time to claim my kingdom. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
-I'm going to boot out these people in...Buckingham Palace. -Exactly. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
So... | 0:54:38 | 0:54:39 | |
18, 19, 20... 23, 24... | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
So, there are just 24 generations | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
-of direct descent between me and King Edward I? -Exactly. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
And actually, when you think about it, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
24 people is very, very few people. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:55 | |
That's just...that's a bus queue of your direct ancestors. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
But I mean, you must get a lot of people coming in here | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
who descended from royalty? | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
It may be the case that many of us | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
have royal ancestors somewhere along the way, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
but being able to show it, generation by generation, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
THAT is unusual and that is a wonderful thing. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
I mean, of course I have to ask, who was his father? | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
Right. Well, I think that's where we should move on | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
-to another manuscript if we can. -This is fantastic. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
Just move this one...out of the way. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:27 | |
I'm sad to see it go now. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:28 | |
Yeah! | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
So, now, this is quite an interesting manuscript. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:34 | |
-How old is this? -This is, I think, 14th or 15th century. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
And here he is. I think you can read that. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:40 | |
-Yeah, "Le Roy Edward". King Edward. -Exactly. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:43 | |
And then above him in red, it says: "Le Roy Henri." | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
-Henry III, King John, Magna Carta John? -Precisely, yeah. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:52 | |
So, these are all your direct ancestors, of course. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
I can't get my head round this. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:57 | |
This is so weird. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
Looking at these pictures, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:02 | |
this...this chain of kings, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
-and these are my direct forbears? -Yeah. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
So, above him is Henry II. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
-That's right. -And above him? what have we got here? | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
So, hang on... | 0:56:15 | 0:56:16 | |
So, above Henry I... | 0:56:16 | 0:56:18 | |
-..William II. -William II, exactly. -"Le Roi William Rufus". | 0:56:20 | 0:56:24 | |
And then... | 0:56:24 | 0:56:25 | |
-That's William I though, isn't it? -That's it, yeah. So, that is... | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
-That's William the Conqueror? -..your direct ancestor. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
My God...! | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
Didn't just come over with the Conqueror. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
-You're descended from the Conqueror. -He WAS William the Conqueror. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:42 | |
It is just incredible. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
Wow! | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
So, 26, 27, 28, 29... | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
So, William the Conqueror is my 29 times great-grandfather. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:58 | |
That's exactly right, yeah. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
Which...is not that many people. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
If you think of all your ancestors standing in that bus queue, | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
33 of them perhaps, or whatever it is, 31 of them, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
um, the first eight of them were kings. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
FRANK GASPS | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
So, they'd probably be quite grumpy about being in the queue. But, um... | 0:57:16 | 0:57:19 | |
-Yeah. They want their own private queue. -Yeah. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:21 | |
Wow! | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
I mean I always suspected there may be a grain of truth | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
in my mum saying we came over with the Normans. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
I feel ashamed that it's taken me so long to do this. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:42 | |
I think, um... | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
I think my mum would be, would be... | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
just so happy, | 0:57:54 | 0:57:56 | |
so pleased that we've done this. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
I wish she'd known about it. Maybe she's looking down on this now. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:04 | |
Maybe she is up there. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:06 | |
And I can just see her saying, | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
"Yes! We've traced it all the way back! | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
"We really did come over with the Normans. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
"Our ancestor WAS William the Conqueror." | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
So, she'll be pleased. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 |