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BBC journalist Frank Gardner has been

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reporting on international terrorism for nearly 20 years.

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So far, Al-Qaeda has never managed

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to attack any sensitive oil installations.

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Journalism. You get driven. You want answers.

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You want to know about things.

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But on the 6th of June, 2004, Frank became the news.

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A BBC team has come under fire

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from gunmen in a suburb of the Saudi capital Riyadh.

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A BBC cameraman, Simon Cumbers, has been killed.

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The BBC security correspondent, Frank Gardner, has been injured.

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Frank was shot six times and left for dead.

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I just thought, "I've got to get word, I've got to get help

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"cos I've got to survive for the sake of my family."

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Frank did survive and, after several operations,

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returned home to his wife and two daughters.

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Right, this is the blind leading the blind here, isn't it?

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Now, Frank wants to investigate his family history.

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Daughter Sasha has dug out some old family slides.

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We've got to turn it on first. So, I reckon it's that.

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-Yeah! Oh, my God!

-Is that you?!

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-Who is that pathetic, weedy little guy?!

-That's you!

-Yeah.

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My mum and dad. That must have been their wedding.

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-I've not seen any of these pictures.

-They look quite shy.

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It's really sweet.

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Frank's father died in 2010.

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His mother passed away only recently.

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Frank knows very little about her side of the family.

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Such a lovely one of my mum.

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She looks so happy.

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Wow!

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I was really close to my mum.

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She only died a few months ago.

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So, that's a little bit raw.

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She was a hero to me.

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She was only the third woman to get into the Foreign Office

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and she had to fight a lot of sexism and prejudice.

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Oh, cool!

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Her maiden name was Grace Rolleston

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and she always told me that the Rollestons

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came over with the Normans in 1066.

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I have no idea if that is true.

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Also, I would love to discover bravery or stoicism

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that extends beyond my mum,

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because my mum was both.

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Isn't that beautiful?

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I just wish my mum was still alive.

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Mum, you're going to have to trust me on this one.

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The Rollestons are going to come out of this OK.

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I don't know what's in it, but let's just...

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It'll be fine!

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Although I've lived in a lot of different places around the world,

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every time I come down here to Hampshire,

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it does feel like coming home.

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Frank's returning to his old family home where his mother lived

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until days before her death.

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My mother, Grace Rolleston, was a massive inspiration to me -

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right up to the last minute.

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Her spirit is very much still here.

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Ah...

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That smell.

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That is the smell of coming home.

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This is what my mum called the breakfast room.

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And right up until last year, I'd sit here and she'd say,

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"So, tell me, what's happening?"

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She was always seeing if there was anything she could do to help.

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The really shameful thing is that my mum

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did used to speak about her ancestry when I was much younger

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and you know what? I used to switch off.

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Now, I want to know

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who WERE my ancestors?

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Were they good people or not?

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But I can't ask her these things now, cos she's gone.

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Frank's asked his maternal cousin, Teresa,

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to come and share her knowledge of their family history.

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-Hey, Teresa.

-Hello.

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Thanks so much for coming. I don't see enough of you.

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-Where have you got to?

-Er, not very far.

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This is as far as I've got.

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-Our grandparents, Dr John Davy Rolleston.

-Yeah.

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-And Mary Edith Waring. So, you know...

-Yeah.

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-..there is room for...

-There's quite a lot, yes.

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We can go right back to the Domesday Book here,

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cos this is one of the things I want to find out.

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Did you ever get told this myth that we came over with the Normans?

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With William the Conqueror, yes.

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I've always heard we are originally Norman French.

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How it went after that, I simply don't know.

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Shall we kind of rein in our ambitions?

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There's rather a large gap between then and now, yeah!

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-What have you brought?

-I've got three things.

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Because, you see, I've been digging a bit.

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-Oh, my goodness!

-Now that...

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-That is lovely.

-That's our grandfather, John.

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Actually, he looks quite happy in that in that photograph,

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but I just have a thing in the back of my mind

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-that he didn't have a happy childhood.

-I wonder why.

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And didn't speak about his parents.

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That's odd.

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So, what do we actually know about our grandfather's parents?

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Well, not very much.

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What I have got is something about them

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-in this obituary of our grandfather.

-Wow!

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"Dr John Davy Rolleston was born in 1873

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"at Oxford where his father..."

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Here we go. "..his father George Rolleston, MD..."

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OK, so, we've got the name of our great-grandfather.

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"..was Linacre professor of anatomy and physiology."

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If he was a professor at Oxford, he's quite illustrious...

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-It's really odd...

-..so you'd think...and ALSO a doctor,

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so you would kind of think that he would speak about his parents.

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But I don't know anything about him. Do you?

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-Um... I've got something else to show you.

-OK.

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That is a photograph of Professor George.

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Oh, that's brilliant. He looks a right sort of bounder, actually.

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-A bit rakish.

-Yes, definitely!

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And then here...

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this is Professor George's wife

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and your great-grandmother, Grace.

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Look at that. Isn't it a great photograph?

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-So, Grace is presumably after whom your mother was called.

-Yeah.

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But I... This woman who is...

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knitting a chicken here,

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I'd love to know what, you know, what she did.

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She'd knit chickens and be a good...

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-goodly wife to Professor George!

-Yeah.

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So, it seems to me,

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cousin, that, um, the mystery here in our family history

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is...our grandfather.

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Yes.

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Why did he never ever talk about his parents?

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-It could be so many things, like, you know...

-Maybe he was mean.

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-Maybe...

-..he beat the children or his wife.

-I won't speculate,

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I'm going to get to the bottom of this!

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I'm a hard-nosed working journalist,

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-I'm going to have to go to Oxford to find this out.

-You are. You are.

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Frank has discovered that his mother, Grace,

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was named after his great-grandmother,

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wife of Oxford professor, George Rolleston.

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Frank has come to the Oxford University

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Museum of Natural History.

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He's meeting an expert on George Rolleston's career, Dr Megan Price.

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-Dr Price.

-Hello.

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-Thank you for coming.

-Good to meet you.

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-You, too.

-Yes.

-What a great office you've got!

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Isn't it wonderful, yes. It's a cathedral to science.

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And here's somebody else you might like to meet.

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Oh, my God! There he is!

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-It's my great-grandfather!

-Isn't he wonderful?

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Oh, my goodness! Wow!

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That is fantastic!

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It's an absolutely amazing bust.

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You can see the sort of... No, you can't see it at all!

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-You can, you can see...

-No, no, I'm joking! I look nothing like him!

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-He's kind of...

-Oh, I don't know.

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-I mean he's got a Heathcliff look about him, yes.

-Yeah.

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Linacre Professor of Physiology.

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What is physiology?

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The study of the human body.

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But not just physiology, anatomy and zoology.

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He had professorships in three different disciplines.

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-Here at Oxford University.

-Here in the Museum, in the Museum.

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-The post was created for him to work in this museum.

-Wow!

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Oxford University was at the forefront of scientific

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thought in Victorian Britain.

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George Rolleston was one of its leading lights.

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I want to show you a picture here.

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-Er, there he is.

-Oh, my God!

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You see he's got a skull there.

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He is taking an anatomy class.

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Wow! Oh, I'm so chuffed. That is brilliant.

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George Rolleston was at the cutting edge of science

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at one of the most controversial moments in history.

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In November 1859, Charles Darwin published On The Origin Of Species

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which suggested that humans and apes shared common ancestry.

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Darwin's radical theory scandalised those parts of Victorian society

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that still believed mankind was descended from Adam and Eve.

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It even divided the country's greatest scientific minds.

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Here's a letter from one of Rolleston's friends.

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Oh, my God!

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"Yours sincerely, Charles Darwin."

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Wow!

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This is a letter from Charles Darwin?

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This is a letter from Charles... And one of many.

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-To my great-grandfather?

-Yes.

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"My dear sir, you are very kind in telling me not to write.

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"It is a pleasure for me to do this.

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"Your note is a real gold mine of facts and suggestions...

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"all..." underlined "..new to me."

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How wonderful!

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"With hearty thanks from favours past and to come,

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"yours sincerely, Charles Darwin."

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What do you think were these favours

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that my grandfather gave Charles Darwin?

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-They were exchanging knowledge.

-Right.

-They were exchanging...

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He wasn't fixing him up on blind dates or anything?! Right.

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I'll tell you what's slightly baffling me here,

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is that he was this really charismatic,

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popular, impressive guy, and yet, his son, my grandfather,

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Dr John Rolleston, never spoke about him.

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-Why do you think that was?

-I have no idea.

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I mean it may be, like many Victorian fathers,

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-his work was his life and perhaps...

-And probably never saw his children.

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..and perhaps he didn't see his children.

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You'd think he'd have been proud of him

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and talked about him, but he never did.

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To get to the bottom of why his grandfather

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never talked about his parents,

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Frank wants to find out about George and Grace Rolleston's family life.

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So, I'm going to start by looking at the census of 1871,

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the last census before my grandfather was born.

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OK.

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So, George Rolleston was head of the house.

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So, then there's the wife, Grace.

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Then it looks like there are several children here -

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George, William, Margaret, Rosmund.

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He and his wife were absolutely banging out the kids here!

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One after another.

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Heavens!

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But my grandfather wasn't born yet then.

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So, I'm going to go on now to the 1881 census, the next one.

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Oxford...

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Ah... John D Rolleston, aged eight.

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There he is.

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That's my grandfather.

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Ah...

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OK.

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The really key thing here

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is that in 1881 Grace Rolleston is listed as the head of the family.

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It says, "Wife of Professor of Anatomy"

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and that's crossed out. But it doesn't say "widow".

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So, that's really odd.

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My great-grandfather's family seems to have fallen apart.

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Did he do a runner?

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Wow. Maybe he did.

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Maybe that's why my grandfather never talked about him.

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Like somebody going to the doctor's and getting bad news,

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I want a second opinion.

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I'm tending to think my great-grandfather was still alive,

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but he ran out on the family.

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He's just vanished.

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To try and uncover the truth, Frank is meeting Oxford genealogist

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and local historian Olivia Robinson.

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Right. I'm not going to beat around the bush here.

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So, Olivia, the gap that I'm really hoping

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you're going to fill in for me is this mystery,

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-why my great-grandfather disappeared from the census.

-OK.

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We're going to start with a copy of that census.

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-So, Grace Rolleston is mentioned as the head of the household.

-Mm-hm.

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And it doesn't say "widow",

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-it says, "Wife of Professor of Anatomy," crossed out.

-Crossed out.

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In this particular instance,

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if you look a little further down the page,

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you'll see somebody else has put her occupation

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as "Barrister's wife", crossed out.

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The enumerators used to discount "wife of somebody"

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-as being an occupation.

-The crossing out doesn't mean

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-that she was separated or abandoned...

-No...

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..but it still doesn't explain why Professor George

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is completely absent from the 1881 census.

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-Let me show you a letter...

-OK.

-..see what you make of this.

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-It's from Grace...

-Wow!

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..to her sister-in-law.

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So, this is March, 1881.

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So, a whisker, just weeks before the census. Right.

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-I'm going to use the... Your...

-Please do.

-..typed sheet.

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"My dear Mary, perhaps by this time you have heard

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"that George has been sent away by his doctors

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"for complete change and rest to Italy."

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So 1881,

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the census had been and gone,

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so he's not mentioned because he's convalescing in Italy.

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-Absolutely. Shall we have a look at another letter?

-Yes.

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-This is a transcript of a letter that was sent by George...

-Yeah.

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..to his wife, Grace.

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"May 26th, 1881.

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"Dearest Grace, it is only today and just now

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"that I've heard of your being laid up.

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"We intend to start for Paris which is only nine hours from London,

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"and if I can do you any good by my coming, so much the better.

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"Your very loving George Rolleston."

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He's travelling back because Grace, his wife, is not well.

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"It's only today and just now that I've heard of your being laid up,"

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cos this poor woman is running this huge household without him.

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-Absolutely.

-It's so full of love, this.

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OK.

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Four days later, this is George dictating a letter to his sister.

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"My dear Marianne, they've put me upon oxygen to inhale

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"and they're putting a blister over my heart

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"which hope may do something for me."

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And then there's all these doctors,

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"..who think that I might alarm and disturb Grace..."

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His wife. "..by coming home sooner than I had intended."

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So, really quite a different picture being painted.

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One to reassure his wife perhaps,

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and one to explain to his sister really how he's feeling.

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It's almost like a tragic love story,

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because he clearly loves his wife still.

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They are a family.

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He is, I suspect, dying somewhere in Europe,

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trying to get back to her

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before the illness overtakes him.

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So, this is from...

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George's sister. And she's writing to George's brother.

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"George returned last Thursday..."

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To Oxford, presumably.

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"The complaint has now developed into heart disease.

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"I need not tell you

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"who has so fully always valued his love and returned it...

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"..what we're losing."

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-VOICE BREAKING:

-This is so sad!

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I said I wasn't going to cry on this bloody programme! OK. Agh!

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-"I...I..."

-HE SIGHS

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It's just... It's just so sad cos he's dying.

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"The world is a room... room of sickness, indeed to us.

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"For in another room lies his poor, dear little wife,

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"unconscious of the terrible sorrow awaiting her

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"if she lives even to realise it."

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Jeez, they're dying side-by-side

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in rooms next to each other!

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My grand...great-grandmother and great-grandfather.

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HE EXHALES

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I don't know why I'm so upset by this. It's... I mean,

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it's just so sad him racing back to be beside her.

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But he's dying and she's...

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Looks like she's dying in the next-door room.

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Well, just put me out of my agony here.

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Well, I have here a certificate of death for...

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Oh, God! Right.

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"George Rolleston, 51 years, contracted kidney,

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"one year, fibroid degeneration of arteries."

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Crikey...

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Imagine the determination

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if you have suffered a year of kidney failure

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to cross Europe...

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..to get home in some considerable pain.

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OK. Well, I really... I just... I really want to know about the...

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I'm desperate to know now about Grace.

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For that, you may want to have a look in an archive

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that's held in Oxford called the Oxfordshire Health Archives.

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But your serious face is not filling me with optimism here.

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I was really looking to see

0:20:100:20:13

if I could discover this incredible stoicism that my mother had.

0:20:130:20:18

And I've absolutely found it, I think,

0:20:210:20:25

in my great-grandfather, Professor George Rolleston,

0:20:250:20:28

because he came back dying to be with Grace, his wife.

0:20:280:20:32

So, leave aside the whole professor of anatomy thing,

0:20:340:20:37

you know, the bust to him in the museum, great,

0:20:370:20:41

but what an amazing person to do that...

0:20:410:20:44

and how tragic for his seven children

0:20:440:20:48

that they were left without a father so young.

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To find out what happened to Grace after George's death in 1881,

0:21:010:21:06

Frank has come to the Oxfordshire Health Archives.

0:21:060:21:09

Don't I have to fill out masses of forms in triplicate?

0:21:130:21:15

-No, not for that, it's just an index.

-OK. I'm looking under

0:21:150:21:18

the very first hospital I'm coming to,

0:21:180:21:20

Warneford Hospital Admissions between 1826 and 1895.

0:21:200:21:26

So, certainly in 1881,

0:21:260:21:29

there is no mention of her here.

0:21:290:21:32

Ah, here she is.

0:21:340:21:36

Admitted on the 18th June, 1884.

0:21:360:21:39

So, three years after this, this weird illness. OK.

0:21:390:21:45

What more can I learn about her?

0:21:450:21:47

There'll be some case notes to go with the admissions

0:21:470:21:50

which I can find for you.

0:21:500:21:51

-Oh, can you? Brilliant.

-OK. Just be a moment.

0:21:510:21:54

This is really perplexing.

0:21:560:21:57

It's another three years before she's admitted to hospital.

0:21:570:22:01

So, what was wrong with her?

0:22:010:22:03

OK, here we are. Case notes. There's an index at the front.

0:22:050:22:07

-This is the original 19th century case notes?

-Yes.

0:22:070:22:10

Wow! I'm going to go for R for Rolleston. OK.

0:22:110:22:16

Oh, wow, they were very organised!

0:22:160:22:19

Here we go.

0:22:210:22:22

"Rolleston, Mrs Grace.

0:22:220:22:24

"Small, slight woman, about 5'2"...

0:22:240:22:29

"Stubbly complexion"? Surely not!

0:22:290:22:32

"Oh, ruddy complexion.

0:22:320:22:33

"Hair, dark streaked with grey..." I'm not surprised.

0:22:330:22:37

"History.

0:22:390:22:41

"Has been a healthy woman

0:22:410:22:43

"but has had previous attacks of insanity."

0:22:430:22:46

Wow!

0:22:480:22:49

"The first being three years ago...

0:22:490:22:52

"..when she was aged 50 years on her husband's death."

0:22:530:22:57

Crikey!

0:22:590:23:00

This is absolutely... This is shocking. I...I had no idea.

0:23:000:23:04

This poor woman, she's gone to pieces without him.

0:23:040:23:08

"Since then, as each June has come round on the 16th,

0:23:110:23:15

"the day of her husband's death,

0:23:150:23:17

"she is described as having become lost, refused all food.

0:23:170:23:22

"In the evening, she was conveyed..." Something?

0:23:220:23:25

"..to the asylum." Crikey.

0:23:250:23:28

And I mean she still had...

0:23:280:23:30

She had seven children,

0:23:300:23:32

no father and their mother was having bouts of madness.

0:23:320:23:36

Can you imagine what a woman's asylum...

0:23:360:23:38

or anybody's asylum must have been like in Victorian Britain?

0:23:380:23:42

I think, I'm going to have to go there.

0:23:430:23:46

Right, that's where I'm going next.

0:23:460:23:47

Warneford Mental Hospital, East of Oxford.

0:23:470:23:50

Well, here it is.

0:24:010:24:03

Today, it's an NHS hospital,

0:24:030:24:06

but 135 years ago, something a bit different.

0:24:060:24:09

Frank is meeting Dr Richard Barnett.

0:24:110:24:14

-Richard.

-Frank. Hello. Welcome to Warneford.

0:24:140:24:16

-Thank you very much.

-Do come inside.

-Thanks.

0:24:160:24:19

Richard, so what would conditions have been like

0:24:290:24:32

for my great-grandmother coming here?

0:24:320:24:34

Grace was being treated at a time when the dominant model

0:24:340:24:37

was so-called "moral therapy" or "non-restraint".

0:24:370:24:39

We have a very good source for this, in fact.

0:24:390:24:41

We found in the archives here

0:24:410:24:43

the Warneford Asylum Rules and Regulations

0:24:430:24:45

for the period in which Grace was here.

0:24:450:24:48

Page 50 has some interesting points on it.

0:24:480:24:52

Page 50, let's have a look.

0:24:520:24:54

"If you are called upon to use main force, never strike.

0:24:540:24:57

"If you are a striker, you're not fit for your situation.

0:24:570:24:59

"Striking a patient is forbidden in this house." Well, that's good.

0:24:590:25:03

Well, this is not about violence.

0:25:030:25:05

This is not about beating the madness out of patients, certainly.

0:25:050:25:08

Did anybody actually give her any proper therapeutic counselling?

0:25:080:25:12

No. Absolutely not. Nobody is trying to understand the story behind her.

0:25:120:25:15

She's been given drugs like chloral hydrate, potassium bromide,

0:25:150:25:20

very simple sedatives to be submissive, essentially.

0:25:200:25:24

So, what happens to her?

0:25:240:25:25

Well, I've checked the records here at Warneford

0:25:250:25:28

-and she isn't readmitted here.

-That's good.

0:25:280:25:30

-But we've found some evidence of her elsewhere.

-That's bad.

0:25:300:25:33

If you follow me through to the library, I'll tell you about that.

0:25:330:25:37

I was rather hoping that that was it,

0:25:430:25:45

and she then lived happily ever after.

0:25:450:25:47

In the archives, Richard has discovered that in 1885,

0:25:500:25:54

Grace was admitted to another asylum in Chiswick.

0:25:540:25:57

So, we can learn more about her stay at Chiswick

0:25:580:26:01

by looking at the case notes relating to her time there.

0:26:010:26:04

-Here we are.

-I don't know if I can read this. Again, it's... Um...

0:26:040:26:08

"Today refused food almost entirely.

0:26:080:26:11

"Was fed by stomach tube.

0:26:110:26:12

"Beef, milk, eggs and brandy."

0:26:120:26:16

-Her condition is worsening.

-Mm.

0:26:160:26:19

It says here, "Delusions that she is covered in dynamite."

0:26:200:26:23

Oh, my God.

0:26:230:26:25

"She fears sitting by the fire."

0:26:250:26:26

-Understandably, if you're covered in dynamite.

-Yeah...

0:26:260:26:30

Oh, this is interesting.

0:26:320:26:34

"Was visited yesterday by her son, a boy at school."

0:26:340:26:38

-That must have been my grandfather, John.

-Ah.

0:26:380:26:42

Because he would have been 13.

0:26:420:26:45

"This was without Dr Tuke's sanction or approval."

0:26:450:26:49

Good heavens.

0:26:490:26:50

So, he decided he was just going to come and see her.

0:26:500:26:55

"She told the nurse she was a dog and a monster." Good heavens!

0:26:550:26:59

Can you imagine what that would have been like

0:26:590:27:01

for my 13-year-old grandfather,

0:27:010:27:04

to make the journey on his own from Oxford to Chiswick,

0:27:040:27:08

only to find that she's so mad, she thinks she's a dog?

0:27:080:27:12

Oh, my God, no wonder!

0:27:120:27:14

-I mean, this explains why he never talked about his family.

-Mm. Mm.

0:27:140:27:21

It's just... It's so tragic, it really is.

0:27:210:27:24

Oh, my goodness!

0:27:240:27:26

-"Is today transferred to private care at Sevenoaks."

-Mm.

0:27:260:27:29

What happens to her there?

0:27:290:27:31

She stayed there until 1914.

0:27:310:27:34

She lasted 28 years.

0:27:340:27:37

Another 28 years and she died in private care in Sevenoaks

0:27:370:27:41

-at the age of 83.

-Good God!

0:27:410:27:43

Wow!

0:27:430:27:45

I'm...I'm staggered.

0:27:460:27:47

Crikey...

0:27:500:27:51

Before he leaves Oxford, Frank has come to the cemetery

0:28:000:28:03

to try and find the grave of his great-grandfather, George Rolleston.

0:28:030:28:07

Oh, my goodness.

0:28:150:28:17

I was expecting to see...

0:28:210:28:24

George...

0:28:240:28:26

George's grave here.

0:28:260:28:28

But it's his, AND Grace.

0:28:280:28:30

They're buried together.

0:28:300:28:32

My gosh!

0:28:340:28:35

I'm so happy that they're reunited.

0:28:390:28:41

It's a tale of both triumph and tragedy, really.

0:28:440:28:48

I've definitely found the stoicism

0:28:500:28:54

that I really hoped one of my ancestors would have,

0:28:540:28:58

in George Rolleston.

0:28:580:29:00

I'm very sad that his wife suffered as much as she did.

0:29:000:29:06

So, these are my great-grandparents?

0:29:110:29:13

So sad for their children.

0:29:150:29:17

My grandfather really didn't have much of an upbringing.

0:29:170:29:22

But he must have loved his mother,

0:29:220:29:26

despite her insanity,

0:29:260:29:29

so much that he named his only daughter Grace, my mother.

0:29:290:29:32

Frank still wants to know

0:29:530:29:54

if his mother's line can be traced back to the Normans.

0:29:540:29:57

This is looking promising.

0:30:000:30:02

He's received a letter from his cousin, Teresa.

0:30:020:30:04

"When I got home, I dug out some other family papers

0:30:080:30:11

"and came across this photograph of a portrait of Dorothy Burdett,

0:30:110:30:14

"who was the wife of the Reverend John Rolleston

0:30:140:30:17

"and our grandfather's great-great-grandmother.

0:30:170:30:20

"This puts it in the mid-18th century

0:30:200:30:22

"but I thought it might interest you."

0:30:220:30:24

Just a little, yeah! OK.

0:30:240:30:26

I'm still a long way from 1066, but that is a leap back.

0:30:290:30:34

Oh, wow!

0:30:350:30:37

My four times great-grandmother.

0:30:370:30:40

I'm going to try the internet again.

0:30:430:30:45

Let's have a look.

0:30:450:30:47

So, I'm going to look in births, deaths and marriages

0:30:490:30:53

and see what I can find.

0:30:530:30:54

Dorothy Burdett...

0:30:560:30:58

OK, search.

0:30:580:31:00

OK, here we go.

0:31:010:31:02

So, there's no picture of the marriage certificate.

0:31:040:31:07

But it does give a place.

0:31:070:31:09

So, they were married in 1736 in Foremark, Derby.

0:31:100:31:14

Spouse, John Rolleston.

0:31:140:31:17

I'd better go to Foremark in Derby.

0:31:170:31:19

Frank has taken his family tree back another 150 years.

0:31:230:31:27

He's discovered that Dorothy Burdett and the Reverend John Rolleston

0:31:270:31:31

are his four times great-grandparents.

0:31:310:31:34

Dorothy and John married in a place called Foremark.

0:31:400:31:43

There's only one building there today -

0:31:430:31:47

Foremarke Hall.

0:31:470:31:49

Wow!

0:31:490:31:51

This is something out of Brideshead Revisited!

0:31:520:31:55

I have no idea what my family connection is with this place.

0:32:050:32:10

Downstairs? Upstairs? Lord of it or doing the...

0:32:100:32:14

you know, maintaining the herbaceous border, I've no idea.

0:32:140:32:18

Foremarke Hall is now a school

0:32:180:32:20

and Frank is meeting its Headmaster, Richard Merriman.

0:32:200:32:24

-Headmaster.

-What a great pleasure to welcome you here to Foremarke!

0:32:240:32:27

-Great to have you here, Frank.

-Thanks very much.

0:32:270:32:30

Let's go and sit over this way. Perhaps we can...

0:32:300:32:33

Richard is an historian

0:32:330:32:35

and has spent years researching family histories

0:32:350:32:38

linked to Foremarke Hall.

0:32:380:32:40

So, Richard,

0:32:410:32:43

what is my connection here?

0:32:430:32:44

This is where your great-great-great-great-grandmother,

0:32:440:32:49

Dorothy Burdett was born,

0:32:490:32:52

but not in this house.

0:32:520:32:56

Dorothy lived in the previous house, a Jacobean manor

0:32:560:33:01

which was equally impressive,

0:33:010:33:03

and it was considered to be large and convenient.

0:33:030:33:06

-That's a bit of an understatement!

-Absolutely.

0:33:060:33:09

Richard has a surprise for Frank.

0:33:090:33:11

Using records from the school's archives,

0:33:110:33:15

-he's traced Frank's family back even further.

-And here we have...

0:33:150:33:18

Oh, this is brilliant! This is amazing.

0:33:180:33:21

-It... It is fascinating.

-Yeah!

0:33:210:33:23

-And, let's look down here at the bottom here...

-Yeah.

0:33:230:33:26

-..is your John Rolleston...

-Yeah...

-..and...

-Dorothy Burdett.

0:33:260:33:29

-And her parents, Robert Burdett and Elizabeth Tracy.

-Fantastic.

0:33:290:33:34

And this takes you back to a name

0:33:340:33:37

which is particularly important in Nottinghamshire -

0:33:370:33:41

a very significant name -

0:33:410:33:43

and that is the name of Stanhope.

0:33:430:33:46

Mm-mm. And when would this have been? What kind of period?

0:33:460:33:48

We are now back into the time and reign of Henry VIII.

0:33:480:33:53

No way!

0:33:530:33:54

-Marrying Ann Rawson.

-Rawson.

0:33:540:33:57

Crikey! Tudor times.

0:33:570:34:00

-Absolutely.

-This is very Wolf Hall. This is great. I'm loving this.

0:34:000:34:03

OK, so, we've gone back to my ten times great-grandparents now...

0:34:030:34:10

-Yes...

-In the 1500s.

-Absolutely.

0:34:100:34:11

Fantastic! And where would he have lived and why is he a "Sir"?

0:34:110:34:15

-Why is knighted?

-I have no knowledge of the reason behind his knighthood.

0:34:150:34:19

But the Stanhopes were a very big landowning family

0:34:190:34:23

up in north Nottinghamshire.

0:34:230:34:25

Ah! So, you reckon that's where I've go to go next, Nottinghamshire?

0:34:250:34:28

Next county along, across the River Trent.

0:34:280:34:30

-I've got to go and find out who he was, this guy.

-Good luck.

-Yeah!

0:34:300:34:34

Frank has pushed his family tree back another 200 years,

0:34:360:34:40

to Sir Michael Stanhope.

0:34:400:34:42

Sir Michael lived during the reign of Henry VIII

0:34:420:34:45

at a time when knighthoods had to be earned.

0:34:450:34:49

Michael Stanhope was here in Nottinghamshire

0:34:540:34:56

and I'm really curious to know how did he become "Sir"?

0:34:560:35:00

How did he get knighted?

0:35:000:35:01

Frank has come to Rufford Abbey

0:35:060:35:08

where he's hoping Dr Jonathan Healey can provide some answers.

0:35:080:35:11

-Jonathan.

-Hi, Frank.

0:35:110:35:13

-Thanks for doing this.

-Pleasure.

0:35:130:35:15

So, what would Michael Stanhope have been doing

0:35:150:35:18

here in Nottinghamshire, to make his mark?

0:35:180:35:21

Well, Stanhope, he's a relatively new man.

0:35:210:35:23

He's someone who is not amongst the richest in Tudor society,

0:35:230:35:27

but he's someone who is kind of on the make a little bit.

0:35:270:35:30

And this landscape here is where he made his name.

0:35:300:35:33

It's a place which had a pivotal role in one

0:35:330:35:36

-of the most contentious decades in English history, the 1530s.

-Wow!

0:35:360:35:41

And Henry VIII has just broken with Rome

0:35:410:35:43

and he wants to do a massive land grab on the English Church, so he...

0:35:430:35:46

-A kind of Tudor Mugabe?

-Absolutely.

0:35:460:35:49

In 1536,

0:35:500:35:52

the new head of the English Church, King Henry VIII,

0:35:520:35:56

decided that the wealth

0:35:560:35:57

of the nation's 900 or so religious houses belonged to him.

0:35:570:36:02

He seized their assets and dismantled their buildings -

0:36:020:36:05

an act of destruction that proved deeply divisive.

0:36:050:36:09

In Nottinghamshire's neighbouring county, Lincolnshire,

0:36:090:36:13

nearly 20,000 men gathered in open revolt against the Crown.

0:36:130:36:18

Local gentry are making the decision -

0:36:180:36:21

do they go with the rebels or do they stick with the government.

0:36:210:36:24

And this is the decision

0:36:240:36:26

which Michael Stanhope had to make in 1536.

0:36:260:36:31

And which way did he go?

0:36:310:36:33

Well, we have a document which might shed some light on that.

0:36:330:36:36

It's a letter from the Earl of Shrewsbury to Henry VIII.

0:36:360:36:39

"Please it your Noble Grace, to assemble and gather my servants,

0:36:390:36:43

"tenants and friends to apprehend

0:36:430:36:46

"and take the said captains of this, their insurrection."

0:36:460:36:50

And then there's a load of names of people including Michael Stanhope.

0:36:500:36:54

So, Michael then was part of this cabal

0:36:540:36:57

-which is essentially trying to shore up the Tudor monarchy?

-Yes.

0:36:570:37:00

So, immediately a group of local people formed a rapid reaction force

0:37:000:37:04

and Michael was part of that force.

0:37:040:37:06

So, they nipped the insurrection in the bud here in Nottinghamshire?

0:37:060:37:10

They did, yes.

0:37:100:37:11

It was the decisions of people like Michael which saved the Crown.

0:37:110:37:15

King Henry VIII dispensed gifts of land and positions of power

0:37:170:37:20

to those who had supported him.

0:37:200:37:23

Men like Michael Stanhope.

0:37:240:37:26

Show me what you've got.

0:37:280:37:30

Well, and this is as you can see, one of the exciting things.

0:37:300:37:34

-Who is this?

-Michael Stanhope.

-(No way!)

0:37:340:37:37

Oh, my God!

0:37:370:37:39

Wow!

0:37:400:37:42

-Look at that.

-Mm.

0:37:420:37:43

-I am his ten times great-grandson.

-Yeah.

-Wow!

0:37:450:37:49

He's kind of fingering these medallions.

0:37:490:37:52

-Do you think, by then, he's already knighted?

-Possibly, yes.

0:37:520:37:55

So, how did he get his knighthood?

0:37:550:37:57

Well, he does crop up in a document from 1545.

0:37:570:38:01

He's being sent to Hull to fortify the town.

0:38:010:38:03

"Michael Stanhope to the Council.

0:38:030:38:06

"On 6th of Feb was seen riding off Flamborough Head

0:38:060:38:09

-"two Scottish top men-of-war..." Ships, presumably.

-Mm, yes.

0:38:090:38:13

-"..with two French pinnaces." Also ships, yeah?

-Yes.

0:38:130:38:15

So, this is a reasonably strong sort of mini-fleet.

0:38:150:38:18

In the 1540s, England was embroiled in a series of wars

0:38:210:38:25

with Catholic France and Scotland.

0:38:250:38:28

Hull was a strategically vital port, a target for French invasion.

0:38:280:38:34

If Hull could be taken, so might England.

0:38:340:38:39

Michael Stanhope was now on the front line.

0:38:390:38:42

"Two French pinnaces chased ships of Hull and Beverly...

0:38:430:38:48

"into Scarborough Road, but were put off by gunners

0:38:480:38:50

"sent thither by Stanhope himself, who shot out of the castle at them."

0:38:500:38:55

-Is this how he gets his knighthood?

-Yes. Yeah.

0:38:550:38:58

-From overseeing the defence of Hull against enemy shipping?

-Yes.

0:38:580:39:02

-He then becomes Sir Michael. He gets his knighthood.

-Wow!

0:39:020:39:07

-Is this the pinnacle of his career now?

-Um, no.

0:39:080:39:11

-In 1547, Henry VIII dies.

-That must be huge for him.

0:39:110:39:16

Yeah. The new king is Henry's nine-year-old son, Edward.

0:39:160:39:20

Edward VI is obviously young,

0:39:200:39:22

so he needs some kind of management by a major servant of state.

0:39:220:39:27

Have you heard of Edward Seymour?

0:39:270:39:31

-Anything to do with Jane Seymour?

-Yes.

-Right.

0:39:310:39:34

But also, um...

0:39:340:39:37

-Michael's half-sister's husband.

-Oh, my God!

0:39:370:39:41

Sir Michael Stanhope's half-sister Anne,

0:39:430:39:47

married courtier Edward Seymour.

0:39:470:39:50

His sister, Jane Seymour, was the third wife of Henry VIII.

0:39:500:39:54

She died soon after giving birth to the King's only son, Edward.

0:39:540:39:59

The nine-year-old Edward VI was now king.

0:40:000:40:03

His uncle, Edward Seymour, became the most powerful man in England.

0:40:060:40:09

He was declared Lord Protector

0:40:090:40:12

and made himself First Duke of Somerset.

0:40:120:40:16

Sir Michael Stanhope was now part of the greater royal family.

0:40:160:40:19

Frank has come to London to discover what these changes meant

0:40:240:40:27

for his ten times great-grandfather.

0:40:270:40:30

-Thanks for coming.

-Great to meet you.

0:40:300:40:33

He's meeting historian John Murphy,

0:40:330:40:35

who's researched Michael Stanhope's life in detail.

0:40:350:40:38

So, John, I never knew that such a beast existed

0:40:380:40:42

as an expert in Michael Stanhope, but I've found one in you!

0:40:420:40:46

What happened when he came down from Hull and got here to London?

0:40:460:40:50

Well, he gets a very important job.

0:40:500:40:52

But it's a little bit of a surprise though, I suppose.

0:40:520:40:55

Have you ever seen one of those before?

0:40:550:40:58

-Um, it looks like an incredibly plush toilet.

-It is.

0:40:580:41:03

That's got to be the most comfortable

0:41:030:41:06

Tudor khazi that was...ever created!

0:41:060:41:08

Well, kings can spend a great deal of time sitting on that.

0:41:080:41:11

-Whole roast swans would pass through that!

-Pass through it happily!

0:41:110:41:15

It's kept in the King's bed chamber,

0:41:150:41:18

and it's looked after by a man called the Groom of the Stool.

0:41:180:41:21

-HE LAUGHS

-You're kidding!

0:41:210:41:23

-That really existed, that title?

-Yes. That title really existed.

0:41:230:41:26

And it is to that appointment

0:41:270:41:29

-that your ancestor Sir Michael Stanhope...

-Oh, come on...!

0:41:290:41:32

-No.

-No, no.

-Yes, yes.

0:41:320:41:35

-Yeah. And not only that...

-So... Wait, wait, wait.

0:41:350:41:37

-No, back the truck up here.

-Yeah.

0:41:370:41:40

Stanhope - you know, he's defended Hull,

0:41:400:41:42

he's put the artillery in the right places,

0:41:420:41:45

-he's seen off the French and Scottish fleets...

-Absolutely.

0:41:450:41:47

-..and he's put in charge of sewage, essentially?

-He's the King's...

0:41:470:41:50

-The King's effluent.

-He's put in charge of the King's effluent

0:41:500:41:53

because the King's effluent is where the King is.

0:41:530:41:57

I mean, this is... this is a hammer blow, John.

0:41:570:42:00

This is one of the most important jobs

0:42:000:42:03

-in the royal court at this time.

-You're not selling it to me.

0:42:030:42:06

And he is the man who alone can go into the bed chamber of the King

0:42:060:42:10

and you can't see the King, speak to the King,

0:42:100:42:14

put a message across to the King

0:42:140:42:15

without first going through Sir Michael Stanhope.

0:42:150:42:18

He's, in every sense, a sort of father-figure to the King.

0:42:180:42:22

So, how did Stanhope become the closest confidante of the Boy King?

0:42:220:42:27

He gets this job, um, really through Somerset, Edward Seymour,

0:42:280:42:32

who is the King's uncle,

0:42:320:42:34

and by giving it to Stanhope,

0:42:340:42:37

who is his brother-in-law, effectively,

0:42:370:42:39

it keeps the King and access to the King in the family.

0:42:390:42:43

But Somerset does have his enemies,

0:42:430:42:45

and the biggest enemy he has,

0:42:450:42:47

a man called the Earl of Warwick, general bad guy.

0:42:470:42:51

He's waiting for his chance.

0:42:510:42:53

He's circling the court in this period, a bit like a vulture,

0:42:530:42:57

waiting for his opportunity to do down Somerset.

0:42:570:43:00

As tensions between the rivals escalated,

0:43:000:43:04

Somerset made a major mistake.

0:43:040:43:06

He handed his rival, the Earl of Warwick, control of the army,

0:43:060:43:10

ordering him out of court of suppress a rebellion.

0:43:100:43:15

But Warwick returned a hero,

0:43:150:43:18

at the head of a devoted army.

0:43:180:43:21

He was now the most powerful man in the country.

0:43:210:43:24

Warwick displaces Somerset.

0:43:250:43:28

Somerset loses his position at court

0:43:280:43:32

and your man Stanhope

0:43:320:43:35

loses his job in the privy chamber.

0:43:350:43:37

(Oh, God!)

0:43:370:43:39

Sir Michael Stanhope's job was handed to one of Warwick's men.

0:43:400:43:44

The Earl of Warwick wasn't content with simply ousting his rivals...

0:43:480:43:51

..he wanted to destroy them.

0:43:520:43:54

I have a very bad feeling,

0:44:020:44:04

I don't know why, that something bad is going to happen to my ancestor.

0:44:040:44:08

Well, this is the King's diary

0:44:080:44:10

and I'd like you to have a look at this entry here.

0:44:100:44:14

"Mr Banister and Mr Vaughan

0:44:140:44:17

"were attached and sent to the Tower and so was Mr Stanhope."

0:44:170:44:21

-So, my ancestor was carted off to the Tower of London?

-Yes.

0:44:210:44:26

This is really serious.

0:44:260:44:28

But there is always a chance that you can make a case in a courtroom.

0:44:280:44:33

But he is in deep doo-doo.

0:44:330:44:34

And he is in very deep doo-doo, there's no question about that.

0:44:340:44:38

Can I open this? I really want to know...

0:44:380:44:40

-Yeah. I think you should open it.

-..what happens next.

0:44:400:44:42

After his arrest, Stanhope was brought before a closed court

0:44:420:44:47

to hear the allegations against him.

0:44:470:44:50

This is called the "bag of secrets"

0:44:500:44:53

for very secret state trials...

0:44:530:44:55

..of which this is one.

0:44:570:44:58

My God, look at this.

0:44:580:45:02

This is all in legal Latin, but we have here a translation.

0:45:020:45:07

"Michael Stanhope, late of Beddington

0:45:080:45:10

"in the county of Surrey. Knight.

0:45:100:45:12

"Not having God before their eyes

0:45:120:45:14

"but led by diabolical prompting

0:45:140:45:16

"to feloniously take, imprison, and murder

0:45:160:45:20

"the most noble John, Duke of Northumberland,

0:45:200:45:22

"then Earl of Warwick." Oh, heavens!

0:45:220:45:24

He's been accused of plotting against Northumberland

0:45:240:45:27

and others of the Council.

0:45:270:45:29

But since 1549, that has been treason.

0:45:290:45:32

-Right.

-It's as if he was plotting against the king.

0:45:320:45:35

OK. I am dying to know, how does he defend himself?

0:45:350:45:38

How does my ancestor get out of this...this hole?

0:45:380:45:41

Well, let's see... Let's see where he enters his plea.

0:45:410:45:44

-And so can you see here?

-I can. Just right there.

0:45:460:45:49

That's it, Michael Stanhope.

0:45:490:45:51

And you can see above, they've entered in his plea.

0:45:510:45:54

Have a look here.

0:45:540:45:56

"Michael Stanhope, late of Beddington in the county of Surrey.

0:45:560:46:00

"Knight. He pleads not guilty."

0:46:000:46:01

He denies it strenuously.

0:46:010:46:05

-So, the jury has been assembled.

-Yeah.

-What do they decide?

0:46:050:46:09

Well, let's see. So, if you go from that line there...

0:46:090:46:13

"And so came the jury for this case.

0:46:130:46:16

"Before the said Justices at Westminster,

0:46:160:46:18

"say it upon their oath that the said Michael Stanhope is guilty."

0:46:180:46:23

"It's ordered...Michael Stanhope should be hanged."

0:46:230:46:28

He's been sentenced to death!

0:46:300:46:31

-He has been sentenced to death and...

-On what evidence?

0:46:310:46:35

This is the word of his enemies against his.

0:46:350:46:37

So, my ancestor has been found guilty of conspiracy

0:46:370:46:41

against his king with no proof of anything against him

0:46:410:46:44

-other than the word of other people?

-That's right.

0:46:440:46:48

Hearsay. Sworn hearsay.

0:46:480:46:50

Was he, in your mind, guilty?

0:46:500:46:53

I think Stanhope is innocent.

0:46:530:46:56

-I think they were all innocent men, and that's...

-It's a fit up.

0:46:560:46:59

..and that's how Tudor justice works, I'm afraid.

0:46:590:47:02

It doesn't sound like justice to me.

0:47:020:47:05

Is it now an inexorable passage to the gallows?

0:47:060:47:10

It is now a matter that will be very much in personal hands of the King.

0:47:100:47:14

This story has taken a really dark turn.

0:47:260:47:28

I'm not happy about it at all.

0:47:280:47:30

He is my ancestor, Sir Michael Stanhope,

0:47:300:47:33

and he's facing execution and his life, his fate,

0:47:330:47:37

rests in the hands of a 13-year-old boy, King Edward VI.

0:47:370:47:42

This is not a good position for him to be in.

0:47:420:47:44

Sir Michael Stanhope was sent to the Tower.

0:47:560:47:59

He entered across the drawbridge used by members of the royal family.

0:47:590:48:03

He was imprisoned alongside three of the other alleged conspirators.

0:48:080:48:13

Imagine being brought in here under heavy guard.

0:48:180:48:21

There's no escape. And you're facing execution.

0:48:230:48:26

It must have been beyond terrifying.

0:48:290:48:32

Frank wants to discover if the 13-year-old king

0:48:350:48:38

saved his ancestor from the hangman.

0:48:380:48:41

-Stephen.

-Hello.

0:48:420:48:44

He's hoping Professor Stephen Alford can tell him.

0:48:440:48:47

Forgive this, um, slightly strange contraption.

0:48:470:48:51

This would have been a massive come-down for Sir Michael Stanhope,

0:48:540:48:57

-wouldn't it?

-Absolutely.

0:48:570:48:59

-Would he have been in a room like this, a kind of stone room?

-Yes.

0:48:590:49:03

Any heating? Would he be allowed a fire?

0:49:030:49:05

Yes, fire, braziers,

0:49:050:49:07

but he would have paid for it himself.

0:49:070:49:09

But he hasn't got any money left. It's all been taken away from him.

0:49:090:49:12

Yeah, which explains our first document. We can look...

0:49:120:49:15

-Oh, neatly segued.

-..at a document here which is a warrant.

0:49:150:49:19

-So impressive.

-Here...

-Brilliant.

0:49:190:49:22

So, we've got a translation here.

0:49:220:49:24

Just down there.

0:49:240:49:25

"Warrant to the Exchequer:

0:49:250:49:27

"To deliver to the Lieutenant of the Tower

0:49:270:49:30

"56 pounds 13 shillings and 4 pence

0:49:300:49:32

"to be distributed unto Sir Thomas Arundel,

0:49:320:49:35

"Sir Michael Stanhope," et cetera.

0:49:350:49:37

-So, these are the four alleged conspirators.

-Yes.

0:49:370:49:40

But is this the king, King Edward who's ordered this?

0:49:400:49:42

It's the council and I think we can assume

0:49:420:49:45

that Edward is somewhere behind it.

0:49:450:49:48

Is that a glimmer of hope that maybe there's a suspicion

0:49:480:49:51

-that they're not guilty?

-Well, there's a degree of clemency here.

0:49:510:49:54

So, after weeks of being on tenterhooks,

0:49:540:49:58

-he must either get executed or pardoned?

-Mm.

0:49:580:50:01

Which is it?

0:50:010:50:02

It's executed.

0:50:020:50:04

But it's not hanged.

0:50:060:50:08

-It's beheaded.

-Oh, Christ!

-Yeah.

0:50:080:50:11

HE GROANS

0:50:110:50:13

That sends a shiver down my spine,

0:50:130:50:15

particularly as we're, we're sitting here in the Tower

0:50:150:50:20

where he was incarcerated, unfairly.

0:50:200:50:22

I was honestly expecting this to be a happy meeting.

0:50:220:50:26

I thought you were going to say,

0:50:260:50:28

"The King's piled in, intervened, and let him off."

0:50:280:50:32

Beheading is some nods in the direction of mercy.

0:50:320:50:38

It was a better, speedier death than hanging.

0:50:380:50:42

-But it would have been public?

-Yes.

0:50:420:50:44

Oh, absolutely, yes. Out... Out there.

0:50:440:50:46

-Just yards away from where we are now?

-Yeah, absolutely.

0:50:460:50:49

Which takes us to another document.

0:50:490:50:52

An account of the execution.

0:50:520:50:55

Oh, my God...!

0:50:550:50:57

"Friday, the 26th of February.

0:50:570:50:58

"At nine of the clock in the forenoon..."

0:50:580:51:01

-So, nine in the morning.

-Mm.

0:51:010:51:03

"..Sir Michael Stanhope and Sir Thomas Arundel

0:51:030:51:05

"were beheaded on the Tower Hill...

0:51:050:51:08

"..all which took on their death that they never offended

0:51:090:51:12

"against the King's Majesty nor against any of his council."

0:51:120:51:16

-So, they maintained their innocence right till the last.

-Yes.

0:51:160:51:21

That's shocking. That is shocking.

0:51:230:51:26

I don't care that it was half a millennium ago, it's just a...

0:51:270:51:31

an absolute travesty.

0:51:310:51:32

Beheaded, for something he hadn't done!

0:51:340:51:37

This is a guy who's served his country well.

0:51:380:51:41

He was wrongly accused, wrongly convicted,

0:51:410:51:44

and went to his death with dignity.

0:51:440:51:47

That's an ancestor I can be proud of.

0:51:470:51:49

I set out on this quest trying to find some element of stoicism,

0:52:090:52:13

some steel, some fibre in my ancestors,

0:52:130:52:16

because my mum had it in spades.

0:52:160:52:17

I didn't know if it existed. But it did.

0:52:170:52:21

There's Professor George, the ground-breaking Victorian scientist

0:52:210:52:25

and there was Sir Michael Stanhope, who was wrongly convicted,

0:52:250:52:30

and yet, he went to his death with dignity.

0:52:300:52:33

Something that both myself and my mum would have been proud of.

0:52:330:52:37

The one thing I haven't found out on this trip

0:52:400:52:43

is just how far back I can trace my mum's lineage.

0:52:430:52:47

I'm really chuffed that I've got as them far back as Tudor times.

0:52:470:52:50

Can I get them any further?

0:52:500:52:53

Frank has come to the College Of Arms,

0:52:560:52:58

which has been verifying family trees since the 15th century.

0:52:580:53:01

-Peter.

-Hello. How do you do?

0:53:040:53:07

Peter O'Donoghue is one of the college heralds.

0:53:070:53:09

-Shall we go through?

-Yeah.

0:53:090:53:11

So, Peter, my mother said,

0:53:110:53:14

"We're descended from the Normans in 1066."

0:53:140:53:17

I've no idea if this is true or not.

0:53:170:53:20

-Did my ancestors come over with them?

-OK, well, I think we have

0:53:200:53:23

got a manuscript which should help us go a bit further back.

0:53:230:53:26

I feel I'm about to be served a kind of historical banquet here.

0:53:260:53:29

-Yeah, that's right. A genealogical feast!

-Yes!

0:53:290:53:32

This is a collection of pedigrees created in the early 19th century.

0:53:320:53:36

And if we look at the index...

0:53:360:53:39

Oh, there's Stanhope! Straightaway, yeah.

0:53:390:53:42

Pages 145...

0:53:420:53:44

This is beautiful paper, isn't it?

0:53:440:53:47

Yeah.

0:53:470:53:48

So, here we are. Sir Michael Stanhope. OK. Shelford.

0:53:480:53:53

Beheaded, 1552.

0:53:530:53:55

And then behind that, is Scrope...

0:53:550:53:59

Yeah.

0:53:590:54:01

..into 1347, Earl of Gloucester.

0:54:010:54:06

And we go back as far as Joan Plantagenet of Acre.

0:54:060:54:11

And so, her father was King Edward I.

0:54:110:54:16

Oh, my God!

0:54:160:54:17

(Wow!)

0:54:190:54:20

-So, am I a direct descendent, then, of King Edward I?

-Yeah, exactly.

0:54:220:54:28

That's exactly what this document is showing us.

0:54:280:54:32

I think it's time to claim my kingdom.

0:54:320:54:34

-I'm going to boot out these people in...Buckingham Palace.

-Exactly.

0:54:340:54:38

So...

0:54:380:54:39

18, 19, 20... 23, 24...

0:54:390:54:43

So, there are just 24 generations

0:54:440:54:47

-of direct descent between me and King Edward I?

-Exactly.

0:54:470:54:50

And actually, when you think about it,

0:54:500:54:52

24 people is very, very few people.

0:54:520:54:55

That's just...that's a bus queue of your direct ancestors.

0:54:550:54:59

But I mean, you must get a lot of people coming in here

0:54:590:55:02

who descended from royalty?

0:55:020:55:04

It may be the case that many of us

0:55:040:55:06

have royal ancestors somewhere along the way,

0:55:060:55:08

but being able to show it, generation by generation,

0:55:080:55:11

THAT is unusual and that is a wonderful thing.

0:55:110:55:14

I mean, of course I have to ask, who was his father?

0:55:140:55:18

Right. Well, I think that's where we should move on

0:55:180:55:21

-to another manuscript if we can.

-This is fantastic.

0:55:210:55:23

Just move this one...out of the way.

0:55:230:55:27

I'm sad to see it go now.

0:55:270:55:28

Yeah!

0:55:280:55:30

So, now, this is quite an interesting manuscript.

0:55:300:55:34

-How old is this?

-This is, I think, 14th or 15th century.

0:55:340:55:37

And here he is. I think you can read that.

0:55:370:55:40

-Yeah, "Le Roy Edward". King Edward.

-Exactly.

0:55:400:55:43

And then above him in red, it says: "Le Roy Henri."

0:55:430:55:47

-Henry III, King John, Magna Carta John?

-Precisely, yeah.

0:55:470:55:52

So, these are all your direct ancestors, of course.

0:55:520:55:55

I can't get my head round this.

0:55:550:55:57

This is so weird.

0:55:570:55:59

Looking at these pictures,

0:55:590:56:02

this...this chain of kings,

0:56:020:56:04

-and these are my direct forbears?

-Yeah.

0:56:040:56:07

So, above him is Henry II.

0:56:070:56:11

-That's right.

-And above him? what have we got here?

0:56:110:56:15

So, hang on...

0:56:150:56:16

So, above Henry I...

0:56:160:56:18

-..William II.

-William II, exactly.

-"Le Roi William Rufus".

0:56:200:56:24

And then...

0:56:240:56:25

-That's William I though, isn't it?

-That's it, yeah. So, that is...

0:56:260:56:29

-That's William the Conqueror?

-..your direct ancestor.

0:56:290:56:31

My God...!

0:56:340:56:36

Didn't just come over with the Conqueror.

0:56:370:56:39

-You're descended from the Conqueror.

-He WAS William the Conqueror.

0:56:390:56:42

It is just incredible.

0:56:440:56:46

Wow!

0:56:470:56:49

So, 26, 27, 28, 29...

0:56:490:56:53

So, William the Conqueror is my 29 times great-grandfather.

0:56:530:56:58

That's exactly right, yeah.

0:56:580:57:00

Which...is not that many people.

0:57:000:57:03

If you think of all your ancestors standing in that bus queue,

0:57:030:57:06

33 of them perhaps, or whatever it is, 31 of them,

0:57:060:57:10

um, the first eight of them were kings.

0:57:100:57:13

FRANK GASPS

0:57:130:57:16

So, they'd probably be quite grumpy about being in the queue. But, um...

0:57:160:57:19

-Yeah. They want their own private queue.

-Yeah.

0:57:190:57:21

Wow!

0:57:240:57:26

I mean I always suspected there may be a grain of truth

0:57:310:57:34

in my mum saying we came over with the Normans.

0:57:340:57:36

I feel ashamed that it's taken me so long to do this.

0:57:380:57:42

I think, um...

0:57:440:57:46

I think my mum would be, would be...

0:57:520:57:54

just so happy,

0:57:540:57:56

so pleased that we've done this.

0:57:560:57:59

I wish she'd known about it. Maybe she's looking down on this now.

0:57:590:58:04

Maybe she is up there.

0:58:040:58:06

And I can just see her saying,

0:58:060:58:10

"Yes! We've traced it all the way back!

0:58:100:58:13

"We really did come over with the Normans.

0:58:130:58:16

"Our ancestor WAS William the Conqueror."

0:58:160:58:19

So, she'll be pleased.

0:58:200:58:23

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