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This is the rogue's gallery. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
These are the two last plays I did. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
Henry V, the first thing I did when I joined | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
the Royal Shakespeare Company. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:12 | |
Oh, here's an aristocrat that I played. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
This is Joss Erroll, the Earl of Erroll. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
It's based on a true story. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
His roles in White Mischief and hit TV series The Jewel In The Crown | 0:00:21 | 0:00:25 | |
made Charles Dance a household name in the 1980s. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
Today he's won worldwide fame playing the baddie Tywin Lannister | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
in fantasy epic Game Of Thrones. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
Throughout his stellar career, Charles has often been cast | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
as an aristocrat. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
I did a film, Gosford Park. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
Gosford Park was the forerunner of Downton Abbey. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
That was very much upstairs and downstairs. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
And I can remember saying, "I should be downstairs, not upstairs." | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
There's nothing aristocratic about me at all. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
My mother, she was a servant from the age of 13. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
She was an under house parlourmaid. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
You can't get any lower than that. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
But she continued to work, either as a waitress, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
or a housekeeper for the landed gentry. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
She didn't talk much about her family at all. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
As far as my father's concerned, I kind of know even less. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:33 | |
My father died when I was four. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
I don't have an image of him in my mind. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
I believe he was an engineer. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
It is the case that I just know very, very little. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
Why? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
I don't know. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
I have two children... | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
..who are mature. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
I also have another little girl, who is four and a half. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
I wouldn't like my children to get to the age that I am now... | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
..and know so little about where they come from as I do. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
These are the two photographs I have of my mother. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
One photograph of my mother later in life | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
with my stepfather. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
And I have this family photograph of her when she was a child. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
What her mother's name was, my grandfather's name, I have no idea. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
It would be good to know. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
I'm going to go and talk to my brother Michael. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
Hopefully my mother told him a little more | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
than she was able to tell me. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
-Yo, brother. -Hey. -How are you? All right? -OK. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
Good to see you. Let's go in here. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
Come in. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
Do you remember my arrival? You were ten years old when I was born. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
I do remember your arrival, yeah. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
Because you... | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
We shared a room and I can remember you squalling | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
when you were an infant and because nothing happened, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
I picked you up and went and stood outside her door | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
to make sure that she could hear you. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
Charles and Michael grew up believing they shared | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
the same father, Walter Dance. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
But later in life their mother revealed they had different dads. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
Right, so did she ever tell you who your father was? | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
Did you find out? | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
No, I didn't ever find out and, no, she didn't tell me. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
She was pretty good at keeping secrets. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
She was. I have a feeling that that particular secret, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
there was an aspect that was dreadful shame. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
Single mothers. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
It must have been a pretty hard life, actually, | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
that the family that she came from, being a single mother, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
going into service, working all the time, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
but she didn't tell either of us very much, really. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
What... What was her father's Christian name? | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
-He was James Perks. -He was James Perks. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
-And what was her mother's name? -She was... | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
I think it might have been Marion. I can't remember. But she was Gold. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
I was led to believe that they came from the East End of London. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
That's my understanding. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:02 | |
-I'm sorry I can't be any more helpful than that, really. -Right. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
There wasn't a discussion between parents and children, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
not in our family. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
It was very much the maxim of, | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
children were certainly seen and not heard. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
If possible, not even seen! | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
I feel I know a little more. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
I know the name of my maternal grandfather | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
and my maternal grandmother. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
Armed with that pretty minimal information... | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
..I'd like to go off and see if I can build on that. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Charles has come to the Bishopsgate Institute in east London, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
where he has arranged to meet historian Fern Riddel. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
Fern, what have you got to tell me? | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
-I've got lots to tell you. -Have you? Oh, good. Right. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
I have found you the marriage certificate of your grandparents. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
OK. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
James George Perks, Marion Elizabeth Gold. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
A timber sawyer? | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
And my mother was a waitress. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
My grandmother's father, George Gold. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
Profession...insurance agent. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
That's a bit of a step up from the servant class, isn't it? | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Well, it means he's very trustworthy. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
He would have been someone who had an education. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
So this is a very respectable... | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
probably upper working-class, lower middle-class family. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
This is your great-grandfather George Gold's birth certificate. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
-Can you read that? -I have a transcript. -Oh, good! | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
The date of this is 1848. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
And George... How do you say that? | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
-Futvoye. -Futvoye? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
That's a name I've not heard before. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
-It's his mother's maiden name. -Emma Booth, formally Futvoye. | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
His father's listed. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
His father was George Booth. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
Why didn't George take father's name, then? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
As opposed to George Futvoye Gold? | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
That's a very interesting question. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
To try and figure this out, I went and looked at the censuses | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
and we've moved now into 1861, in the London borough of Hackney. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
Where we have the family of the Golds. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
-Son, George Gold. -Right. -Your great-grandfather. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
His father's name, George Gold senior. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
The head of the household, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
and here, Emma Gold, wife, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
but on the birth certificate... | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
..for little George Gold, we have the father's name as George Booth. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
Yes. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
So, has George decided to change his name to Booth | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
or is George Booth somebody else? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
-I think what these documents show us... -Yeah. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
..is a love affair. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
Who was having the love affair? George or Emma? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
They both are. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
With each other. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:07 | |
They're... | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
Hmm. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:13 | |
What do you mean, with each other? | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Well, I've uncovered that both George and Emma | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
were married to other people. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
Oh, oh, I see. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
Right, OK. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
George Gold senior had a wife called Hannah, who's down in Wiltshire. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
He had a wife called Hannah who was living in Wiltshire. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
-Emma... -Yes. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
..had a husband called Abraham Booth. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
-Emma was married to Abraham Booth? -Yes. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
Which solves the mystery of why we have Booth... | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
..on your great-grandfather George Futvoye Gold's birth certificate. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
Because when your great-grandfather was born, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
Emma would have been known as Mrs Booth. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
As Mrs Booth? Oh, of course. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
And here on the birth certificate she's combined her lover's name | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
with her husband's name. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:03 | |
George Gold with Abraham Booth, to make George Booth. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
I see. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
George Gold and Emma Futvoye were both married to other people | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
but that didn't stop them having a relationship and a son - | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
Charles's great-grandfather, George Gold junior, born in 1848. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
-So George... -George Gold senior. -..and Emma had little George... | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
Yes. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:33 | |
-..out of wedlock. -And they don't just have George. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
-I have a transcript for you again. -Thank you. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
-We have George Gold... -Right. -..your great-grandfather. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
-And then... -Ooh, a daughter. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Ann Gold. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
I see. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:49 | |
-Right. Two years later. -Yes. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
And a year before that, Edward Gold. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
And then... Oh, come on, are you telling me these..? | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
-No, no, no, no, no! -All of these. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
Emely, John, Alfred, Charles, bless him. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
-Seven children! -Yes. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
But they would have wanted to keep the reality of their world a secret | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
and make sure that no-one could ever trace or find out | 0:10:10 | 0:10:15 | |
that they had both had affairs and were not legally married. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Blimey! I see. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
Strewth! | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
Well, it's all very furtive and very secretive, isn't it? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
I mean, how do you live with a secret like that? | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
It's Emma here. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
Her place of birth is Marylebone. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
-Then she ends up in Hackney. -Yeah. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
Backward and downward step, I would have thought. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
This is quite a complicated life. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
This must have had quite an effect on Emma Futvoye. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
Futvoye. I've never heard Futvoye before. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
What do you know about Futvoye? Is it a name you're familiar with? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
I know that the Futvoye family descendants | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
-have done a lot of research into their family history. -Right. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
And there's an archive up in Lea Mills in Derbyshire. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
-So they might be able to tell me more about Futvoye. -I think so. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
I certainly want to find out about Emma Futvoye. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
This peculiar name that I've never heard of before. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
And her family. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
Now, I do know that she hailed from Marylebone... | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
..but before that, who knows? | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Charles is on his way to visit an archive | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
held at the John Smedley Mill in Derbyshire, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
which is set up by other descendants of the Futvoyes. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
He's meeting archivist Jane Middleton Smith, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
who's been looking into the Futvoye family tree. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
-Jane? -Hello, yes. -Hello. I'm Charles Dance. -Nice to meet you. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
-So, you're going to show me something exciting? -I am. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
Well, who are all these Futvoyes? | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
Before we go on, where does the name come from? | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
-Well, from Belgium. -Belgium? | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
-It's originally from Belgium. -Do we know where in particular? | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
They came from Spa. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
This is all extraordinary, because I thought we'd head further east, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
down into the East End of London, and here we are in Belgium. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
So the Futvoyes came over, as you can see... | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
Came to England in 1791. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
Where...? Where on here is my great-great-grandmother Emma? | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
-Here she is. -Great-great-grandmother Emma. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
Along with her...one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
nine, ten, 11 siblings. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
Yes. She's part of a very large family. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Brother, George. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
I can't quite read that. What does that say? Deputy Minister of... | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
Militia in Canada. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
Emma's brother, Frederick, had an emporium in Regent Street. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
Edward was a solicitor. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
The girls were all working as governesses | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
or as teachers of music. They're a well-educated family. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
-Quite an impressive bunch, really? -Yes. -What more can you tell me? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
I can tell you a little bit more about her parents. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
Charles Francois and Sarah Cook. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
Emma's parents. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
He was an artist. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
What kind of artist was Charles Francois? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
Was he a fine artist? A portrait painter? | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
-Landscape painter? -I don't know. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
That would be something interesting to find out. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
Do we have any other information about Charles Francois, artist? | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
-Well, I do, actually. -You do? -I've got something that I could show you. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
This is your three times great-grandfather. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
-Is it? -Charles Francois. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
-This is Charles Francois Futvoye? -Yes. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
Good Lord. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
I see absolutely no resemblance whatsoever! | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
I've, kind of, cornered the market in playing rather austere, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
villainous characters. There's nothing villainous about him! | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
-He looks quite jovial and jolly. -I think he looks a very kindly... | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
kind of person. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
Yes. I guess he does, yes. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
Something else to show you. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
This is your three times great-grandmother, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
Sarah Cook. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
Well. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:31 | |
Erm... | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
There's more of a resemblance to me. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
Yes, there is. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
-I think so. -Oh, yeah. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
I mean, look, shadows under the eyes! | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
Quite heavy lidded. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
Long nose. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:48 | |
I think he did quite well for himself. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
So that's great-great great-grandfather | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
-and great-great-great-grandmother. -Yes. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
Well, they're both pretty well turned out. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
-They're comfortably off. They're people of consequence. -Yes. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
Yes, that's amazing. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
Really is. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
Be intriguing if she was painted by him, wouldn't it? | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
Which would make that a self-portrait. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
I'd love to know more, I really would. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
There is a work that's attributed to him | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
at the Fitzwilliam in Cambridge. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
Wonderful. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
I could see so many features in her face that reminded me of my face. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:39 | |
In fact she looked a bit like me in drag! | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
And I could also see a resemblance to my mother, too. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
Something tells me that possibly these two paintings | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
might have been painted by him. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
It's fascinating, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:02 | |
because I'm now going in a completely different direction, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:07 | |
geographically wise, and also, dare I say, class wise, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
I want to know about Charles Francois. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
I want to know how good an artist he was, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
how well known he was. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
Charles is visiting the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
Hello, Charles. I'm Sally Woodcock. Welcome to the Fitzwilliam Museum. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
-Thank you. -Do come in. -Thank you. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
He's arranged to see an original work | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
by his three times great-grandfather. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
So, Charles, this is the Fitzwilliam Museum's Futvoye. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
So, what do you think? | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
Good Lord! | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
I don't know what to think. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
-I shall peer more closely at it. -Absolutely. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
Three Little Chinese people flying a kite. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
I would have said it was a design for a plate, possibly a woodcut. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
Intricate foliage, flowers, leaves and so on | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
swirling around the outside. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:05 | |
How do you know it's by Charles Francois Futvoye? | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Fortunately... | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
..if you look at the back, it gives a very good indication! | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Oh, there it is, Futvoye. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
I see. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
Futvoye, 83 High St, Marylebone. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
Well, we kind of know about the Marylebone connection | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
from earlier documents that we've seen. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
So what was... I mean, what was he actually up to, Sally? | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
You know, this is not a man who was being commissioned | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
to paint portraits, this is something else. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
He was not a conventional painter as far as we can tell. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
No. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
We have come across another reference to Futvoye, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
which I think you'll find interesting. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
This is the account book of Charles Robeson | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
and he was an artist supplier to pretty much everyone | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
from Queen Victoria, Royal Academy, to Charles Futvoye, | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
because he actually was one of Robeson's customers. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
This is a page of his purchases. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
Two gross four dozen pencils. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
18 duck sable brushes. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
Yeah, I mean, this is good stuff. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
And quite large quantities. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
You know, three gross brushes, that's 60. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
The day before, he's bought two gross and four dozen. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
So getting on for 100 brushes in two days, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
which is quite a lot. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
It's almost as if he's running a factory. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
I want a clearer picture of this man working, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
so where can I go to get those answers, do you think? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
-Who's going to tell me that? -I think your next bet is a specialist. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
An art historian in this period, but particularly | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
-in this, sort of, world of decorative art. -OK. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
Well, isn't that an amazing... | 0:18:51 | 0:18:53 | |
I assumed, because he's just described as an artist, | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
that actually he might have painted those two paintings. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
I have a feeling not now. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
To solve the mystery of what his three times great-grandfather was up to, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
Charles has come to Claydon House in Buckinghamshire, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
where he's meeting art historian Alexandra Loske. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
-Hello. -Hello. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
-Charles, I'm Alexandra. -How do you do? -How do you do? | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
-Let me show you Claydon House. -Please. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
Oh, wow. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
Blimey. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
What an extraordinary room. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
I say! | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
I feel as if I've woken up in the middle of some extraordinary dream | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
about, I don't know, China, by the look of it. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
This is one of the best examples of Chinoiserie style in this country. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:59 | |
-Chinoiserie style? -Chinoiserie style. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
And it was effectively a vision of the East. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
It certainly is! | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
Yes. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
But all, of course, made by Europeans | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
who had probably never visited the Far East. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
-Never been to China. -Never been to China. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
Chinoiserie was an early form of interior decoration... | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
..inspired by British trade with Asia. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
Wallpapers, fabric, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:30 | |
ornaments and furniture were all adorned in this exotic new style. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:35 | |
This is a great example of copying something Oriental. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Here we have the European version of lacquering, | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
which is often referred to as japanning. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
-Japanning? -Japanning. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
-You see all these Oriental motifs on here... -Right. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
..and Charles Futvoye, he had a lot to do with this fashionable style. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
-In fact, that was his stock and trade. -Was it now? Really? | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
I've found quite a few materials that tell us what he did | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
-and how he was involved. -Oh, excellent! | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
So, would you like to see some of the materials we found? | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
Please. I mean, this has blown me away, this place. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
-Shall we sit down? -Are we going to sit on here? | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
-I think we can sit on here, yes. -OK. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
So, here's a copy of a paper | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
from 1829. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
And here is Charles Futvoye. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
"Mr Futvoye begs leave to acquaint the nobility and gentry | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
"that he continues to give instruction in the art of painting | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
"in imitations of old India, Japan, Marble, Inlaid Ebony and Ivory. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:41 | |
"Specimens of the above arts may be seen at Mr F's repository, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
"No.83, High Street, Marylebone, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
"where every material requisite for drawing may be had." | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
So a good businessman and hugely skilled as well. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
He knows how to imitate Oriental lacquer, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
but he was actually teaching people | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
and he was providing all the materials. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
So what kind of people were Charles's clientele? | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
It was reasonably wealthy people. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
It was considered an accomplishment suitable for ladies. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
I see. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
Japanning things. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
-An alternative to needlepoint? -Yes. Absolutely. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
Charles Futvoye's repository would have been quite similar. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
-This is the kind of thing? -This is the kind of thing he would have run. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
So this little print that you saw in Cambridge, | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
that is just a wonderful example | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
of something that he would have sold in his shop | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
and that ladies would have bought and transferred to, maybe, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
a little wooden box, varnished it, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
and then at the end it would have looked like | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
-a piece of Oriental lacquer work. -I see! | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
-You could buy the box at his shop, too! -You can buy the box as well! | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
How fantastic! | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
Here I am in leafy Marylebone. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
I know this neck of the woods quite well, note. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
It's not far from where I live in north London. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
And this is where Charles Francois Futvoye | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
had his repository. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:14 | |
God knows what's happening at Number 83 Marylebone High St now. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
But, hopefully, we're going to find out. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
Oh, heavens above! | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
This is 83. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:29 | |
This picture that Alexandra gave me, it would have been very like this. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:44 | |
Especially the sky light up there. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
I can see racks and racks of, kind of, paintbrushes, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
inks, paints, materials for lacquer work. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
Stuff like that. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:56 | |
You can smell it, you know? | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
All the materials needed for the daughters of gentlefolk | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
to pursue their new hobby of Oriental art. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
It's fascinating. It really is. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
I still don't know why the Futvoyes... | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
..came from Belgium, this town of Spa... | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
..to London. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
Charles knows that his three times great-grandfather left Spa | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
with his parents and came to London in 1791. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
To discover why, he's meeting historian William O'Reilly. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
So, Spa was this pearl of Europe, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
and tourists, particularly wealthy aristocrats and nobles, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
teemed into what was the prize spa town and holiday destination | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
-for people at that time. -Really? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
Gambling, dancing, listening to music, carousing. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
-It sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah! -Having a wonderful time. -Good Lord! | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
Spa was famous across Europe for the health-giving properties | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
of its natural spring waters. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
All other spas are named after it. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
There were many artists and artisans in Spa, | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
attracted by the popularity of the town. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
The Futvoyes were one of these families. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
They were involved, as you know already, in japanning. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
So a particular form of elite upper class, if you like, souvenir making, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:27 | |
which Spa became very famous for. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
So they were already doing that? I mean, they were doing that | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
back in Belgium as well, before any of them ever came here? | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
And very successfully. A thriving trade. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
Which sounds like a pretty lively place. A kind of Vegas of Europe. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
-Why did they leave? -They had to, I'm afraid, for political reasons. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
The Futvoyes were caught up in a violent uprising in Belgium in 1789. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
It was part of the same revolutionary wave | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
that would topple the monarchy in neighbouring France. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
With the aristocratic way of life on which they depended under threat, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
the Futvoye family fled Belgium. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
They set up shop in London. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
So when the Futvoyes came to London, which is a pretty big place, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
why did they come to Marylebone especially? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
Is there a particular reason? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
The well-heeled migrants from across Europe | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
had begun to move to better areas in London, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
including here in Marylebone. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
Your family, the Futvoyes, already had comfortable amounts of money | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
that allowed them to settle into the neighbourhood quite quickly. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
In fact, I found something in one newspaper | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
from the very early 19th century | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
that sets out some of that family history in a little more detail. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
-Right. -From the London Morning Post. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
From June 1814. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
It's a small ad placed by the widow | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
of your fourth great-grandfather, Matthew... | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
-Charles Francois's father? -Exactly. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
Charles Francois's father, Matthew Futvoye. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
"A. Futvoye, widow of the late Mr Futvoye senior, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
"imitator of Japan, Chinese work and teacher to the Royal Family..." | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
Excuse me? | 0:27:13 | 0:27:14 | |
Well, I knew they were teaching, kind of... | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
daughters of gentlefolk, but the Royal Family? | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
Almost by Royal appointment? | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
They've fled turbulent Belgium, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
but here they are in rather a smart part of London, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
running a very successful business | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
and being patronised by the Royal Family. Not bad, is it, really? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
It's an incredible story of success. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
Well! | 0:27:38 | 0:27:39 | |
We've come a long, long way from where I thought we would be going | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
to find out about my mother. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
We've been talking principally about Charles Francois, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
which is my three times great-grandfather, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
an enterprising, artistic, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
cultured man, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
and his family. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
Miles away from the East End of London, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
and the kind of world that I assumed my mother had come from. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 | |
Especially as, you know, my mother started life as a servant | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
and spent her life mostly as a waitress | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
or working as a housekeeper in smarter people's houses. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
I suspect she had absolutely no idea that her ancestors | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
were living a totally different kind of life. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
And it's all come as quite a surprise to me. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
A very pleasant surprise. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:38 | |
Now I need to know about my father, because I know... | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
Well, possibly even less about my father than I knew about my mother. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
Charles's father, Walter Dance, died in 1949. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
All I know about my dad | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
was that he died when I was about three and a half to four. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
He didn't die of old age. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
I think he was in his 50s. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
My mother used to refer to him as WD. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
He was a divorcee when she met him. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
That's all the information I have. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
I know absolutely nothing about his personality, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
what kind of man he was. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
This is the only photograph I have of my father. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
I'm on my way now, | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
to meet somebody who might be able to enlighten me as to... | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
what the uniform is, what regiment he was in. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
All of the things that I need to know | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
to start piecing together this particular jigsaw puzzle. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
-You must be Peter. -Hello, Charles. Nice to meet you. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Charles is meeting historian Peter Donaldson. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
This photograph is the only image I have of my father. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
It looks a little bit like a First World War uniform. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
-That's what I thought. -But there are a couple of clues that tell us it's not from the First World War. -OK. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:15 | |
There are no breast pockets on Walter's tunic here. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
In the First World War soldiers had breast pockets | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
to slip their pay book in. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
Also, he's wearing a rather fancy belt with a brass buckle. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
Those had disappeared by the First World War. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
We could date this pretty precisely | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
to the 15 years or so before the First World War. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
-15? -Back to 1900. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
Blimey! | 0:30:38 | 0:30:39 | |
Something immediately occurs to me. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
What's that? | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
This might not be my father. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:49 | |
-Why...why you think that? -Well... | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
..because he died in... | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
..1949, | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
when my father was about 50. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
-Let's say that's 1900. -Yes. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
He would have been a baby. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:09 | |
This is not a baby. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
Well, we've got another document, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
and that gives us a little bit more information about this man | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
in the photograph. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
This is Walter Dance's form he filled in | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
when he enlisted in the Army. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
-This is this man? -Yeah. -Oh, thank God for that. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
I thought we were... Right, OK. Right. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
What's the date of this document? | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
23rd of January, 1900. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
What is your age... 25 years, eight months. Oh, blimey! | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
So in 1900, he was nearly 26! | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
He was nearly 26, yes. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
So... | 0:31:45 | 0:31:46 | |
he was born in 1874. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
1874, exactly, yes. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
Wow. OK. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
Charles now knows that his dad was born 26 years earlier | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
than he previously thought. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
He would have been 72 when Charles was born. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
And we go over the page, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
we can see a little bit more about Walter's service record. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
He was posted on the 30th of April, 1900. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
If we look on the first page again, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
he signed up for either the duration of the war in South Africa... | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
Oh, I didn't know that. War in South Africa? | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
"For a term of one year unless the war in South Africa lasts longer." | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
-Was this the Boer War? -The Boer War, that's right. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
Charles's father, Walter, enlisted to serve in the Boer War | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
which was fought in South Africa between the British | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
and Dutch settlers, known as Boers. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
After the war broke out in 1899, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
heavy British losses led to an appeal for volunteers. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
Walter answered that call. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
His service record contains details about his family | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
at the time he joined up. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
-Name and address and next of kin. -Oh, right. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
Oh, wife?! Louie Rowley Morris. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
Particulars as to children. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
-Norah? -Norah. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
So Louie and Walter have a child, Norah. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
She was born on the 11th of December, 1898. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
So...I have a sister. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
I see. Right. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
Charles has discovered that his dad Walter had a wife, Louie, | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
and daughter, Norah - Charles's half sister, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:36 | |
who was born nearly 50 before him. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
Young daughter's born in 1898 and a year later | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
he signs up for active service in South Africa. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
A rather odd thing to do, don't you think? | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
I mean, was there a great, kind of, recruiting drive at this point? | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
There was a huge recruiting drive. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
So Walter would have gone forward to do his patriotic duty, | 0:33:57 | 0:34:01 | |
to serve his country in a moment of crisis. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
-But, for some men, it would have been a sense of adventure, excitement. -I see. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
Actually, we do have some more information | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
about Walter and his war record up at the Royal Fusilier Museum, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:16 | |
where his regiment was based. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
-We can go there and have a look at that if you'd like? -Excellent. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
I can feel the hairs going up on the back of my neck. Wonderful. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
Walter Dance was in the Royal Fusiliers. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
Charles is on his way to the regimental archives | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
held in the Tower of London. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
Charles, what we have here is the medal roll from the Royal Fusiliers. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:41 | |
This is the battalion that your father was in. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
-Right. -And here are... | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
..the names of those who were from your father's battalion | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
who were awarded the South Africa Medal. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
QUIETLY READS NAMES | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
8953, Sergeant Dance, W. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
And to go with the Roll of Honour, | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
we have the actual medal that your father would have been awarded. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
Good Lord! | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
So this is a campaign medal that all those who served in the war | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
in South Africa, the Boer War, would have received. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
And the clasps tell you the campaigns they were engaged in. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:26 | |
Transvaal, Orange Free State, Cape Colony. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
By the time Walter reached South Africa, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
the war had entered a brutal guerilla phase. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
The Boers adopted hit and run tactics, | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
launching surprise attacks on British bases | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
and blowing up supply lines and communications. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
We know from the regimental diaries that Walter | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
and the Second Battalion of the Royal Fusiliers | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
were spending a lot of their time hunting down Boer guerillas. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
That would involve day after day of arduous route marching. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
At night-time he'd be on camp duty, maybe on picket duty, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
out 1,000 metres beyond the camp perimeter, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:13 | |
-in the dark, on high alert, waiting for a Boer ambush possibly. -Wow. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
So really physically and psychologically demanding work. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
-Pretty tough? -Pretty tough. Absolutely. Very tough. -Blimey. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
It would have taken a huge amount of endurance and courage. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
Well, I have to say, this is quite moving, Peter, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
you know, because, erm... | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
Because I know so little, you see, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
so gradually, bit by bit... | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
..we're finding out about the life of a man... | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
..who I just knew this name, WD. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
And you've been able to tell me an enormous amount. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
And I think these artefacts do connect, don't they, to the person? | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
Yeah, they do, yeah. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
-Thank you. -You're welcome. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
It's rather extraordinary to know that here, in my 70th year, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:15 | |
I'm only finding out about all this now. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
There's something about this... | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
..that, erm... | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
..I do find quite moving. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:30 | |
Charles's father returned from South Africa in 1901. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
Charles wants to know what happened next to Walter, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
his first wife, Louie, | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
and their daughter, Norah. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
Well, after the revelations of yesterday, | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
which left me reeling somewhat, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
I'm back in the relative peace and tranquillity of my own home. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
And I thought I'd delve into the Census records, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
which are published every ten years, I believe. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
So I think if I look in 1911, | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
because Dad would be back from South Africa then. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
Hopefully, this will give me a start. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
Anyway, as much as I can find out off my own bat. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
Here we are. Walter Dance. Head of family. 37. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
Louie Dance...she was 41. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
Four years older than him. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
Total children born alive, two. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
Children still living, one. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
Children who have died... | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
one. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
I hope it wasn't Norah who died. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
No, Norah's 12 at the time. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
And she was at school. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
Thankfully, Norah is still with us. Sister Norah. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
I wonder if anybody can tell me a bit more... | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
..about... | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
..my other brother or sister. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
Hmm. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
I found out that I had not one, but two other siblings... | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
..one of whom died. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
Charles wants to know more about his sibling who died. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:28 | |
He's agreed to meet genealogist Judy Leicester in Acton. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
I hope you're Judy, otherwise I'm approaching | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
-a total stranger in the street. -Indeed I am. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
-Very pleased to meet you. -And you. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
I searched for a birth registration for any other child of Walter and Louie, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
and I did find that they'd had a daughter. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
-Oh, another daughter. -This document explains a little bit about her. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
Born on 13th May, 1903. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
Name, if anything, Mary Rowley. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
So...little Mary Rowley. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
I think, probably, Walter moved around a lot, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
as work opportunities arose for him. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
-Yeah. -He was in a profession that was in great demand at that time. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
An electrical engineer. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
So, tell me, do you know what happened to Mary? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
I've got another document which will show you what happened to Mary. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
Death in the subdistrict of Acton. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
16th July, 1908. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
At 100 Goldsmith Avenue. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
Mary Rowley Dance, female, five years old. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
Fracture of the skull? | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
Caused by being accidentally struck by a scaffold pole? | 0:40:45 | 0:40:51 | |
Good God! | 0:40:54 | 0:40:55 | |
So what do you think happened? | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
-Well, Acton was an expanding suburb at this time. -Yeah. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
There was a lot of building work going on, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
and the houses in this street had been completed by about 1907, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:11 | |
but the surrounding streets would have been very much like | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
-a building site. -Oh, my God, yes. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
So she might have been playing on the building site. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
Yes, especially as it was the summer holidays from school. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
-Oh, yes, of course. -She could have been out playing in the street. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
But we do know that she died in the family home. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
So it's possible she was taken back to the house | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
from wherever the accident happened. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
-This is Goldsmith Avenue? -Yes, just up here, these houses. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
-Number 100. -Number 100. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
So I'm trying to find number 100. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
Where are we now? 84. OK. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
A few more to go. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
And 100. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
Hmm. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
She might have been playing on a building site. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
Little Mary comes back here... | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
..and this is where she died. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
It would be nice to know what she looked like. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
I've an image... | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
..of a pretty little girl. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
I have a very pretty little girl. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
I have a very pretty bigger girl! | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
And, thank God, they're all right. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Horrible. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
Absolutely horrible. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:13 | |
I don't really want to think about it, but I am thinking about it. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
It is overwhelmingly sad. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
And I don't think, as a parent... | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
one would ever get over something like that. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
Evening. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:36 | |
Hi, darling. Can I have a glass of pinot, I'll be over there. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
-I'll bring it over. -Thank you. Thanks. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
Charles wants to know what happened to his dad after Mary died. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
He is checking the electoral register. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
Walter Dance, The Bryn, Keith Road, Hayes, Middlesex. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
So...they've moved now, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
from Goldsmith Avenue, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
to Keith Road, Middlesex. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
And they were there from 1912, 1913, 1914, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:18 | |
1922, 1923, '24... | 0:44:18 | 0:44:22 | |
My mother did tell me that Walter and his first wife were divorced. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:28 | |
But in 1924 he was still living under the same roof. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
And it's still Louie Dance and Walter Dance, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
so I assume they were still married, but their names | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
do not appear after 1924. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
It seems that... | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
they weren't around, not in London then. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
To discover why his dad disappeared from the records, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
Charles has enlisted the help of genealogist Laura Berry. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
Hello, Charles. Lovely to meet you. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
-And you, please. -Thank you. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
Since Walter dropped off the radar in 1924, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
I decided to have a look through newspapers and magazines, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:24 | |
and I did actually find this entry in the Surveyor Magazine from 1923. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
"Appointments wanted. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
"Engineer. Electrical mechanical and construction. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
"Desirous of settling in South Africa..." | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
Yeah, cos he'd been there for a while during the Boer War. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
So he's looking for a job in South Africa. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
Which was a brilliant lead, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:44 | |
because I then went to have a look at some passenger lists. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
And I found this ship, | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
and the date is just about a year after the advert was posted. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:55 | |
The SS Baradine. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
Names of passengers... | 0:45:57 | 0:45:59 | |
..Dance, Walter and Mrs Louise - Louie - Dance. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:07 | |
So...basically, selling up in England and going to South Africa. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:11 | |
Why did they decide to go out to South Africa? | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
Well, Norah married a South African man. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
-Really? -Mmm. -OK. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
Charles's sister, Norah, married Hugo Hugo-Brunt in 1921. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
Walter and his first wife, Louie, moved to South Africa | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
to be close to them three years later. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
So I would love it if you could shed a little more light on... | 0:46:35 | 0:46:41 | |
..Walter and Louie's life after | 0:46:43 | 0:46:46 | |
boarding this vessel to South Africa. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
Well, having found the whole family going out to South Africa, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
I then did a trawl of the archives in South Africa, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:58 | |
and discovered that Norah died in 1993, unfortunately. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:04 | |
Did she? Died in 1993. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
Blimey! | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
She was born in 1898. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
That's a pretty good innings, isn't it, really? | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
Yeah. The only thing that I found was a will for Norah... | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
-Yeah. -..dated from 1993. -Right. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
She names her executor as Nonine Knox, who was her granddaughter. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:28 | |
-And that would be your great-niece. -Nonine Knox. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
So my great-niece. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:32 | |
I have actually managed to find an address for Nonine. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
So that's where she's living in Pretoria. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
Is she really? Nonine is living in Pretoria? | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
-Yes. -So, hopefully, I can find out a fair bit more. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:47 | |
I didn't know anything about this whole other life in South Africa. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Now I have a great-niece in South Africa. | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
Does Nonine, who I'm going to go and see... | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
does she know of my relationship to Norah? | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
Her grandmother? | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
Does she realise that? | 0:48:13 | 0:48:14 | |
The fact that I am Norah's half brother? | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
We share this not that usual name, Dance. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:23 | |
Why no attempt has been made... | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
..to get in touch with me. | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
Anyway. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
Maybe I'll find out. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
Charles has travelled thousands of miles | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
to meet his great-niece in South Africa. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:44 | |
He's heading to Pretoria, where she lives. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
I hope Nonine is going to be able to tell me | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
about her grandmother, my sister. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
And hopefully, a little, if not a lot more, about my father. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:05 | |
You must be Nonine. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:26 | |
-Pleased to meet you. -I'm very pleased to meet you too! | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
Well! We've come a long way for this. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
-Can we go somewhere and talk? -Come, please. -Thank you. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
Charles doesn't know if Nonine realises that he is her great-uncle. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
We've been trying to put the story together, | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
not quite sure where we fit in this story. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
I was led to believe you were a cousin. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
I'll tell you, if you don't know. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
Look, other than the fact that I know that your surname is Dance | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
-and my grandmother's maiden name was Dance. -Indeed. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:02 | |
And my boys have watched all your movies. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:05 | |
-Really? -Mm-hmm. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:06 | |
Well, they have impeccable taste, that's all I can say. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
And your granny, that's my half sister. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
-Is that your half sister? -That's Norah. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:14 | |
-That's absolutely amazing. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:16 | |
Let's bring it in. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:17 | |
Nonine has a chest of memorabilia passed down to her by Norah. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
-That's Norah. -That's Norah! -I don't know her age at that photograph. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
Hello, Norah. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:31 | |
Norah wrote her autobiography. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
She what?! Oh-hoh! | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
Well done, Norah! | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
OK. Glasses. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
OK. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
Norah Hugo-Brunt, chapter one. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
In her autobiography Norah writes about her and Charles's dad, | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
who was one of five brothers. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:09 | |
"Father used to recount that when they arrived in Broadstairs | 0:51:11 | 0:51:15 | |
"the word went around, look out, the Dance Boys have arrived." | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
Ha! | 0:51:18 | 0:51:19 | |
"They were a gay young crowd, and in their youth | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
"had the good fortune of living in a town house in London, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
"and a country house in Broadstairs, Kent, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
"where they spend most of... the summer months." | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:35 | |
I don't know why this is quite so overwhelming, but it is. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
"My father had a great sense of humour." Oh, good for him! | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
"Much too much sometimes when in a mischievous mood. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
"Often amongst strangers, this caused me considerable embarrassment." | 0:51:53 | 0:51:57 | |
Yeah, I think I do that to my children! | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
"He was a strong swimmer." | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
I swim. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:05 | |
"Keen shot, fisherman, tennis and cricket player and boxer. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:10 | |
"In fact, one could call him a pretty good all-rounder." | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
Well, you know, I wasn't great academically at school, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
but I was quite sporty, did all these things. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:20 | |
"He was tall, about six feet in height, | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
"broad shouldered, ruddy complexion that goes with red hair. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
"His eyes were greeny blue, and he liked to refer to his nose as Roman." | 0:52:26 | 0:52:30 | |
I'm tall, I'm broad shouldered, I have a ruddy complexion. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
I used to have red hair. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
I've got a kind of Roman nose. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
"He was a lovable and a generous man, | 0:52:39 | 0:52:42 | |
"and slow to anger." | 0:52:42 | 0:52:43 | |
Yeah, it takes a lot to wind me up. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
I mean, really. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
For me to have a temper, somebody has to really... | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
..put my nose out of joint seriously, before I lose my temper. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
"He had a weak streak, liked to be considered a ladies' man." | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
I think that's a quality, not a fault! | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
I think I've inherited quite a lot of that, really. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:05 | |
Charles wants to know about his dad's life in South Africa, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
and how he ended up returning to London and marrying his mum. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
"Father became the electrical engineer for the little town of... | 0:53:17 | 0:53:20 | |
-"Humansdorp?" -That's right. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
"They adored their grandchildren." | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
Hmm. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
So that's why they came out to South Africa. | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
But they came back? I wonder why? | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
"In 1936 I went through the agony of having to say goodbye | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
"to my beloved parents. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
"Father had had a serious illness necessitating an operation... | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
"I expect too, he never really got it out of his system | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
"that he had fought the Boers. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
"There was only one thing to do, return to their homeland. | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
"My mother died very shortly after she returned." | 0:53:56 | 0:54:01 | |
Phwoar! | 0:54:01 | 0:54:02 | |
That's quite something, isn't it? | 0:54:04 | 0:54:05 | |
-So... They didn't divorce. -No. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:09 | |
They went back to England together, and, unfortunately, she died. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
Now, Walter married my mother, | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
really not long after Louie died. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
So... | 0:54:23 | 0:54:24 | |
I wonder if... | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
Norah had a bit of a problem with that? | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
-Probably did. -You know. -The time lapse was too short. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
Well, it's kind of not surprising. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:35 | |
But then that's kind of explains why I don't know our relationship. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:40 | |
No. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:43 | |
No, well, we're starting. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
All right, this is day one. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
-Day one! -OK. -Chapter one. -Yeah. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
Norah also kept albums of photographs, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
which include pictures of Charles's dad. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
-Is this the old man? -Yes, that's him. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
Wow. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
1921, so he was 47 here. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
Do you see a resemblance? | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
-Yes, I do. -Do you? -Yes. -OK. | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
So there he is. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:13 | |
Pipe clamped firmly between his teeth. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
-Now I've got one more of him. -Have you? OK. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
It's hidden in the back of the book here. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
Very dapper indeed. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:28 | |
Very dapper. I don't know what the occasion was. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
He's got a bit of a twinkle in his eye, hasn't he? | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
-A naughty twinkle! -Oh, well... | 0:55:34 | 0:55:36 | |
You say you only have one photograph of him. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
Yes. Yeah. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
And it's... | 0:55:42 | 0:55:43 | |
-There you go. -Oh, my God. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
Thank you very much, thank you. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
I think that's very special. | 0:55:49 | 0:55:51 | |
It is. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:52 | |
It is indeed. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:55 | |
This is great. Thank you, thank you, thank you. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
You're welcome. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
Charles, would you like to meet the rest of my family? | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
Come on in. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
Hello, how do you do? What's your name? | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
-Fraser. -Fraser, hi. -Nice to meet you. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
-I'm Ramsey. -Hi, Ramsey. -I'm Darren. -Hi, Darren. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
I'm your great, great-uncle, OK, take it or leave it! | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
-I think I'll take it, eh? -Good! Excellent. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
There was more than an element of surprise, of course, | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
to find out that I have a whole other family, | 0:56:28 | 0:56:31 | |
Nonine, who I've met, and Nonine's family. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
So I have a great niece, and I have great great-nephews. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
I've made contact with them now. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
A whole other world. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:42 | |
Wonderful. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:45 | |
The understanding that I now have of my father and his life, | 0:56:46 | 0:56:51 | |
in some peculiar way... | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
..has given me more of an understanding about me. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
What I feel about Walter Dance, my dad, is quite proud. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:05 | |
Dare I say, quite a good-looking man. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
He was well turned out. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:11 | |
He was upright. He swam, he played tennis, fished. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
I kind of do all those things. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:17 | |
So that's come down to me. | 0:57:17 | 0:57:18 | |
It's a very revealing process. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
Overall, I think I'm pretty proud of him, actually. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:27 | |
I wish I'd known him. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 |