Charles Dance Who Do You Think You Are?


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This is the rogue's gallery.

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These are the two last plays I did.

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Henry V, the first thing I did when I joined

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the Royal Shakespeare Company.

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Oh, here's an aristocrat that I played.

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This is Joss Erroll, the Earl of Erroll.

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It's based on a true story.

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His roles in White Mischief and hit TV series The Jewel In The Crown

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made Charles Dance a household name in the 1980s.

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Today he's won worldwide fame playing the baddie Tywin Lannister

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in fantasy epic Game Of Thrones.

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Throughout his stellar career, Charles has often been cast

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as an aristocrat.

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I did a film, Gosford Park.

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Gosford Park was the forerunner of Downton Abbey.

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That was very much upstairs and downstairs.

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And I can remember saying, "I should be downstairs, not upstairs."

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There's nothing aristocratic about me at all.

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My mother, she was a servant from the age of 13.

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She was an under house parlourmaid.

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You can't get any lower than that.

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But she continued to work, either as a waitress,

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or a housekeeper for the landed gentry.

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She didn't talk much about her family at all.

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As far as my father's concerned, I kind of know even less.

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My father died when I was four.

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I don't have an image of him in my mind.

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I believe he was an engineer.

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It is the case that I just know very, very little.

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Why?

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I don't know.

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I have two children...

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..who are mature.

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I also have another little girl, who is four and a half.

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I wouldn't like my children to get to the age that I am now...

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..and know so little about where they come from as I do.

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These are the two photographs I have of my mother.

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One photograph of my mother later in life

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with my stepfather.

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And I have this family photograph of her when she was a child.

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What her mother's name was, my grandfather's name, I have no idea.

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It would be good to know.

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I'm going to go and talk to my brother Michael.

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Hopefully my mother told him a little more

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than she was able to tell me.

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-Yo, brother.

-Hey.

-How are you? All right?

-OK.

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Good to see you. Let's go in here.

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Come in.

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Do you remember my arrival? You were ten years old when I was born.

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I do remember your arrival, yeah.

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Because you...

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We shared a room and I can remember you squalling

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when you were an infant and because nothing happened,

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I picked you up and went and stood outside her door

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to make sure that she could hear you.

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Charles and Michael grew up believing they shared

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the same father, Walter Dance.

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But later in life their mother revealed they had different dads.

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Right, so did she ever tell you who your father was?

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Did you find out?

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No, I didn't ever find out and, no, she didn't tell me.

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She was pretty good at keeping secrets.

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She was. I have a feeling that that particular secret,

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there was an aspect that was dreadful shame.

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Single mothers.

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It must have been a pretty hard life, actually,

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that the family that she came from, being a single mother,

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going into service, working all the time,

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but she didn't tell either of us very much, really.

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What... What was her father's Christian name?

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-He was James Perks.

-He was James Perks.

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-And what was her mother's name?

-She was...

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I think it might have been Marion. I can't remember. But she was Gold.

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I was led to believe that they came from the East End of London.

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That's my understanding.

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-I'm sorry I can't be any more helpful than that, really.

-Right.

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There wasn't a discussion between parents and children,

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not in our family.

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It was very much the maxim of,

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children were certainly seen and not heard.

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If possible, not even seen!

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I feel I know a little more.

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I know the name of my maternal grandfather

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and my maternal grandmother.

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Armed with that pretty minimal information...

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..I'd like to go off and see if I can build on that.

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Charles has come to the Bishopsgate Institute in east London,

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where he has arranged to meet historian Fern Riddel.

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Fern, what have you got to tell me?

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-I've got lots to tell you.

-Have you? Oh, good. Right.

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I have found you the marriage certificate of your grandparents.

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OK.

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James George Perks, Marion Elizabeth Gold.

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A timber sawyer?

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And my mother was a waitress.

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My grandmother's father, George Gold.

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Profession...insurance agent.

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That's a bit of a step up from the servant class, isn't it?

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Well, it means he's very trustworthy.

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He would have been someone who had an education.

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So this is a very respectable...

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probably upper working-class, lower middle-class family.

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This is your great-grandfather George Gold's birth certificate.

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-Can you read that?

-I have a transcript.

-Oh, good!

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The date of this is 1848.

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And George... How do you say that?

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-Futvoye.

-Futvoye?

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That's a name I've not heard before.

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-It's his mother's maiden name.

-Emma Booth, formally Futvoye.

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His father's listed.

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His father was George Booth.

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Why didn't George take father's name, then?

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As opposed to George Futvoye Gold?

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That's a very interesting question.

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To try and figure this out, I went and looked at the censuses

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and we've moved now into 1861, in the London borough of Hackney.

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Where we have the family of the Golds.

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-Son, George Gold.

-Right.

-Your great-grandfather.

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His father's name, George Gold senior.

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The head of the household,

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and here, Emma Gold, wife,

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but on the birth certificate...

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..for little George Gold, we have the father's name as George Booth.

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Yes.

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So, has George decided to change his name to Booth

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or is George Booth somebody else?

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-I think what these documents show us...

-Yeah.

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..is a love affair.

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Who was having the love affair? George or Emma?

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They both are.

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With each other.

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They're...

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Hmm.

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What do you mean, with each other?

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Well, I've uncovered that both George and Emma

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were married to other people.

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Oh, oh, I see.

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Right, OK.

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George Gold senior had a wife called Hannah, who's down in Wiltshire.

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He had a wife called Hannah who was living in Wiltshire.

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-Emma...

-Yes.

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..had a husband called Abraham Booth.

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-Emma was married to Abraham Booth?

-Yes.

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Which solves the mystery of why we have Booth...

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..on your great-grandfather George Futvoye Gold's birth certificate.

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Because when your great-grandfather was born,

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Emma would have been known as Mrs Booth.

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As Mrs Booth? Oh, of course.

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And here on the birth certificate she's combined her lover's name

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with her husband's name.

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George Gold with Abraham Booth, to make George Booth.

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I see.

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George Gold and Emma Futvoye were both married to other people

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but that didn't stop them having a relationship and a son -

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Charles's great-grandfather, George Gold junior, born in 1848.

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-So George...

-George Gold senior.

-..and Emma had little George...

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Yes.

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-..out of wedlock.

-And they don't just have George.

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-I have a transcript for you again.

-Thank you.

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-We have George Gold...

-Right.

-..your great-grandfather.

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-And then...

-Ooh, a daughter.

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Ann Gold.

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I see.

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-Right. Two years later.

-Yes.

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And a year before that, Edward Gold.

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And then... Oh, come on, are you telling me these..?

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-No, no, no, no, no!

-All of these.

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Emely, John, Alfred, Charles, bless him.

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-Seven children!

-Yes.

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But they would have wanted to keep the reality of their world a secret

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and make sure that no-one could ever trace or find out

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that they had both had affairs and were not legally married.

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Blimey! I see.

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Strewth!

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Well, it's all very furtive and very secretive, isn't it?

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I mean, how do you live with a secret like that?

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It's Emma here.

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Her place of birth is Marylebone.

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-Then she ends up in Hackney.

-Yeah.

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Backward and downward step, I would have thought.

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This is quite a complicated life.

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This must have had quite an effect on Emma Futvoye.

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Futvoye. I've never heard Futvoye before.

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What do you know about Futvoye? Is it a name you're familiar with?

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I know that the Futvoye family descendants

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-have done a lot of research into their family history.

-Right.

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And there's an archive up in Lea Mills in Derbyshire.

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-So they might be able to tell me more about Futvoye.

-I think so.

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I certainly want to find out about Emma Futvoye.

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This peculiar name that I've never heard of before.

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And her family.

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Now, I do know that she hailed from Marylebone...

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..but before that, who knows?

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Charles is on his way to visit an archive

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held at the John Smedley Mill in Derbyshire,

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which is set up by other descendants of the Futvoyes.

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He's meeting archivist Jane Middleton Smith,

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who's been looking into the Futvoye family tree.

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-Jane?

-Hello, yes.

-Hello. I'm Charles Dance.

-Nice to meet you.

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-So, you're going to show me something exciting?

-I am.

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Well, who are all these Futvoyes?

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Before we go on, where does the name come from?

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-Well, from Belgium.

-Belgium?

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-It's originally from Belgium.

-Do we know where in particular?

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They came from Spa.

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This is all extraordinary, because I thought we'd head further east,

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down into the East End of London, and here we are in Belgium.

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So the Futvoyes came over, as you can see...

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Came to England in 1791.

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Where...? Where on here is my great-great-grandmother Emma?

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-Here she is.

-Great-great-grandmother Emma.

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Along with her...one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

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nine, ten, 11 siblings.

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Yes. She's part of a very large family.

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Brother, George.

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I can't quite read that. What does that say? Deputy Minister of...

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Militia in Canada.

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Emma's brother, Frederick, had an emporium in Regent Street.

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Edward was a solicitor.

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The girls were all working as governesses

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or as teachers of music. They're a well-educated family.

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-Quite an impressive bunch, really?

-Yes.

-What more can you tell me?

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I can tell you a little bit more about her parents.

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Charles Francois and Sarah Cook.

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Emma's parents.

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He was an artist.

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What kind of artist was Charles Francois?

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Was he a fine artist? A portrait painter?

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-Landscape painter?

-I don't know.

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That would be something interesting to find out.

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Do we have any other information about Charles Francois, artist?

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-Well, I do, actually.

-You do?

-I've got something that I could show you.

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This is your three times great-grandfather.

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-Is it?

-Charles Francois.

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-This is Charles Francois Futvoye?

-Yes.

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Good Lord.

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I see absolutely no resemblance whatsoever!

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I've, kind of, cornered the market in playing rather austere,

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villainous characters. There's nothing villainous about him!

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-He looks quite jovial and jolly.

-I think he looks a very kindly...

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kind of person.

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Yes. I guess he does, yes.

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Something else to show you.

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This is your three times great-grandmother,

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Sarah Cook.

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Well.

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Erm...

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There's more of a resemblance to me.

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Yes, there is.

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-I think so.

-Oh, yeah.

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I mean, look, shadows under the eyes!

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Quite heavy lidded.

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Long nose.

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I think he did quite well for himself.

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So that's great-great great-grandfather

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-and great-great-great-grandmother.

-Yes.

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Well, they're both pretty well turned out.

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-They're comfortably off. They're people of consequence.

-Yes.

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Yes, that's amazing.

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Really is.

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Be intriguing if she was painted by him, wouldn't it?

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Which would make that a self-portrait.

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I'd love to know more, I really would.

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There is a work that's attributed to him

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at the Fitzwilliam in Cambridge.

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Wonderful.

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I could see so many features in her face that reminded me of my face.

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In fact she looked a bit like me in drag!

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And I could also see a resemblance to my mother, too.

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Something tells me that possibly these two paintings

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might have been painted by him.

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It's fascinating,

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because I'm now going in a completely different direction,

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geographically wise, and also, dare I say, class wise,

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I want to know about Charles Francois.

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I want to know how good an artist he was,

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how well known he was.

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Charles is visiting the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge.

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Hello, Charles. I'm Sally Woodcock. Welcome to the Fitzwilliam Museum.

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-Thank you.

-Do come in.

-Thank you.

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He's arranged to see an original work

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by his three times great-grandfather.

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So, Charles, this is the Fitzwilliam Museum's Futvoye.

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So, what do you think?

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Good Lord!

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I don't know what to think.

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-I shall peer more closely at it.

-Absolutely.

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Three Little Chinese people flying a kite.

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I would have said it was a design for a plate, possibly a woodcut.

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Intricate foliage, flowers, leaves and so on

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swirling around the outside.

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How do you know it's by Charles Francois Futvoye?

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Fortunately...

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..if you look at the back, it gives a very good indication!

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Oh, there it is, Futvoye.

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I see.

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Futvoye, 83 High St, Marylebone.

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Well, we kind of know about the Marylebone connection

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from earlier documents that we've seen.

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So what was... I mean, what was he actually up to, Sally?

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You know, this is not a man who was being commissioned

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to paint portraits, this is something else.

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He was not a conventional painter as far as we can tell.

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No.

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We have come across another reference to Futvoye,

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which I think you'll find interesting.

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This is the account book of Charles Robeson

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and he was an artist supplier to pretty much everyone

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from Queen Victoria, Royal Academy, to Charles Futvoye,

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because he actually was one of Robeson's customers.

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This is a page of his purchases.

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Two gross four dozen pencils.

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18 duck sable brushes.

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Yeah, I mean, this is good stuff.

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And quite large quantities.

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You know, three gross brushes, that's 60.

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The day before, he's bought two gross and four dozen.

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So getting on for 100 brushes in two days,

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which is quite a lot.

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It's almost as if he's running a factory.

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I want a clearer picture of this man working,

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so where can I go to get those answers, do you think?

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-Who's going to tell me that?

-I think your next bet is a specialist.

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An art historian in this period, but particularly

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-in this, sort of, world of decorative art.

-OK.

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Well, isn't that an amazing...

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I assumed, because he's just described as an artist,

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that actually he might have painted those two paintings.

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I have a feeling not now.

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To solve the mystery of what his three times great-grandfather was up to,

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Charles has come to Claydon House in Buckinghamshire,

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where he's meeting art historian Alexandra Loske.

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-Hello.

-Hello.

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-Charles, I'm Alexandra.

-How do you do?

-How do you do?

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-Let me show you Claydon House.

-Please.

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Oh, wow.

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Blimey.

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What an extraordinary room.

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I say!

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I feel as if I've woken up in the middle of some extraordinary dream

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about, I don't know, China, by the look of it.

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This is one of the best examples of Chinoiserie style in this country.

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-Chinoiserie style?

-Chinoiserie style.

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And it was effectively a vision of the East.

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It certainly is!

0:20:040:20:06

Yes.

0:20:060:20:08

But all, of course, made by Europeans

0:20:080:20:11

who had probably never visited the Far East.

0:20:110:20:14

-Never been to China.

-Never been to China.

0:20:140:20:16

Chinoiserie was an early form of interior decoration...

0:20:180:20:21

..inspired by British trade with Asia.

0:20:230:20:26

Wallpapers, fabric,

0:20:280:20:30

ornaments and furniture were all adorned in this exotic new style.

0:20:300:20:35

This is a great example of copying something Oriental.

0:20:370:20:41

Here we have the European version of lacquering,

0:20:410:20:44

which is often referred to as japanning.

0:20:440:20:47

-Japanning?

-Japanning.

0:20:470:20:49

-You see all these Oriental motifs on here...

-Right.

0:20:490:20:53

..and Charles Futvoye, he had a lot to do with this fashionable style.

0:20:530:20:57

-In fact, that was his stock and trade.

-Was it now? Really?

0:20:570:21:01

I've found quite a few materials that tell us what he did

0:21:010:21:04

-and how he was involved.

-Oh, excellent!

0:21:040:21:07

So, would you like to see some of the materials we found?

0:21:070:21:09

Please. I mean, this has blown me away, this place.

0:21:090:21:12

-Shall we sit down?

-Are we going to sit on here?

0:21:120:21:15

-I think we can sit on here, yes.

-OK.

0:21:150:21:17

So, here's a copy of a paper

0:21:190:21:22

from 1829.

0:21:220:21:24

And here is Charles Futvoye.

0:21:240:21:28

"Mr Futvoye begs leave to acquaint the nobility and gentry

0:21:280:21:32

"that he continues to give instruction in the art of painting

0:21:320:21:35

"in imitations of old India, Japan, Marble, Inlaid Ebony and Ivory.

0:21:350:21:41

"Specimens of the above arts may be seen at Mr F's repository,

0:21:410:21:46

"No.83, High Street, Marylebone,

0:21:460:21:49

"where every material requisite for drawing may be had."

0:21:490:21:54

So a good businessman and hugely skilled as well.

0:21:550:21:59

He knows how to imitate Oriental lacquer,

0:21:590:22:01

but he was actually teaching people

0:22:010:22:04

and he was providing all the materials.

0:22:040:22:07

So what kind of people were Charles's clientele?

0:22:070:22:10

It was reasonably wealthy people.

0:22:100:22:13

It was considered an accomplishment suitable for ladies.

0:22:130:22:16

I see.

0:22:160:22:18

Japanning things.

0:22:180:22:19

-An alternative to needlepoint?

-Yes. Absolutely.

0:22:190:22:22

Charles Futvoye's repository would have been quite similar.

0:22:220:22:25

-This is the kind of thing?

-This is the kind of thing he would have run.

0:22:250:22:29

So this little print that you saw in Cambridge,

0:22:290:22:32

that is just a wonderful example

0:22:320:22:34

of something that he would have sold in his shop

0:22:340:22:37

and that ladies would have bought and transferred to, maybe,

0:22:370:22:41

a little wooden box, varnished it,

0:22:410:22:45

and then at the end it would have looked like

0:22:450:22:47

-a piece of Oriental lacquer work.

-I see!

0:22:470:22:50

-You could buy the box at his shop, too!

-You can buy the box as well!

0:22:500:22:53

How fantastic!

0:22:530:22:55

Here I am in leafy Marylebone.

0:23:000:23:03

I know this neck of the woods quite well, note.

0:23:030:23:06

It's not far from where I live in north London.

0:23:060:23:09

And this is where Charles Francois Futvoye

0:23:090:23:13

had his repository.

0:23:130:23:14

God knows what's happening at Number 83 Marylebone High St now.

0:23:140:23:19

But, hopefully, we're going to find out.

0:23:190:23:22

Oh, heavens above!

0:23:250:23:27

This is 83.

0:23:280:23:29

This picture that Alexandra gave me, it would have been very like this.

0:23:380:23:44

Especially the sky light up there.

0:23:440:23:47

I can see racks and racks of, kind of, paintbrushes,

0:23:470:23:51

inks, paints, materials for lacquer work.

0:23:510:23:55

Stuff like that.

0:23:550:23:56

You can smell it, you know?

0:23:570:23:59

All the materials needed for the daughters of gentlefolk

0:24:000:24:03

to pursue their new hobby of Oriental art.

0:24:030:24:06

It's fascinating. It really is.

0:24:080:24:10

I still don't know why the Futvoyes...

0:24:150:24:18

..came from Belgium, this town of Spa...

0:24:190:24:22

..to London.

0:24:230:24:25

Charles knows that his three times great-grandfather left Spa

0:24:260:24:30

with his parents and came to London in 1791.

0:24:300:24:34

To discover why, he's meeting historian William O'Reilly.

0:24:340:24:38

So, Spa was this pearl of Europe,

0:24:390:24:41

and tourists, particularly wealthy aristocrats and nobles,

0:24:410:24:46

teemed into what was the prize spa town and holiday destination

0:24:460:24:51

-for people at that time.

-Really?

0:24:510:24:53

Gambling, dancing, listening to music, carousing.

0:24:530:24:57

-It sounds like Sodom and Gomorrah!

-Having a wonderful time.

-Good Lord!

0:24:570:25:01

Spa was famous across Europe for the health-giving properties

0:25:020:25:05

of its natural spring waters.

0:25:050:25:07

All other spas are named after it.

0:25:070:25:09

There were many artists and artisans in Spa,

0:25:100:25:13

attracted by the popularity of the town.

0:25:130:25:15

The Futvoyes were one of these families.

0:25:150:25:18

They were involved, as you know already, in japanning.

0:25:180:25:21

So a particular form of elite upper class, if you like, souvenir making,

0:25:210:25:27

which Spa became very famous for.

0:25:270:25:29

So they were already doing that? I mean, they were doing that

0:25:290:25:33

back in Belgium as well, before any of them ever came here?

0:25:330:25:36

And very successfully. A thriving trade.

0:25:360:25:39

Which sounds like a pretty lively place. A kind of Vegas of Europe.

0:25:390:25:42

-Why did they leave?

-They had to, I'm afraid, for political reasons.

0:25:420:25:46

The Futvoyes were caught up in a violent uprising in Belgium in 1789.

0:25:480:25:53

It was part of the same revolutionary wave

0:25:550:25:58

that would topple the monarchy in neighbouring France.

0:25:580:26:01

With the aristocratic way of life on which they depended under threat,

0:26:030:26:06

the Futvoye family fled Belgium.

0:26:060:26:09

They set up shop in London.

0:26:090:26:11

So when the Futvoyes came to London, which is a pretty big place,

0:26:130:26:18

why did they come to Marylebone especially?

0:26:180:26:21

Is there a particular reason?

0:26:210:26:23

The well-heeled migrants from across Europe

0:26:230:26:25

had begun to move to better areas in London,

0:26:250:26:28

including here in Marylebone.

0:26:280:26:30

Your family, the Futvoyes, already had comfortable amounts of money

0:26:300:26:34

that allowed them to settle into the neighbourhood quite quickly.

0:26:340:26:37

In fact, I found something in one newspaper

0:26:370:26:40

from the very early 19th century

0:26:400:26:42

that sets out some of that family history in a little more detail.

0:26:420:26:46

-Right.

-From the London Morning Post.

0:26:460:26:48

From June 1814.

0:26:480:26:50

It's a small ad placed by the widow

0:26:500:26:54

of your fourth great-grandfather, Matthew...

0:26:540:26:58

-Charles Francois's father?

-Exactly.

0:26:580:27:00

Charles Francois's father, Matthew Futvoye.

0:27:000:27:03

"A. Futvoye, widow of the late Mr Futvoye senior,

0:27:040:27:08

"imitator of Japan, Chinese work and teacher to the Royal Family..."

0:27:080:27:13

Excuse me?

0:27:130:27:14

Well, I knew they were teaching, kind of...

0:27:140:27:17

daughters of gentlefolk, but the Royal Family?

0:27:170:27:20

Almost by Royal appointment?

0:27:200:27:23

They've fled turbulent Belgium,

0:27:230:27:25

but here they are in rather a smart part of London,

0:27:250:27:28

running a very successful business

0:27:280:27:30

and being patronised by the Royal Family. Not bad, is it, really?

0:27:300:27:35

It's an incredible story of success.

0:27:350:27:38

Well!

0:27:380:27:39

We've come a long, long way from where I thought we would be going

0:27:460:27:50

to find out about my mother.

0:27:500:27:53

We've been talking principally about Charles Francois,

0:27:530:27:56

which is my three times great-grandfather,

0:27:560:27:59

an enterprising, artistic,

0:27:590:28:02

cultured man,

0:28:020:28:04

and his family.

0:28:040:28:06

Miles away from the East End of London,

0:28:060:28:09

and the kind of world that I assumed my mother had come from.

0:28:090:28:14

Especially as, you know, my mother started life as a servant

0:28:140:28:17

and spent her life mostly as a waitress

0:28:170:28:20

or working as a housekeeper in smarter people's houses.

0:28:200:28:23

I suspect she had absolutely no idea that her ancestors

0:28:240:28:28

were living a totally different kind of life.

0:28:280:28:32

And it's all come as quite a surprise to me.

0:28:340:28:37

A very pleasant surprise.

0:28:370:28:38

Now I need to know about my father, because I know...

0:28:460:28:50

Well, possibly even less about my father than I knew about my mother.

0:28:500:28:55

Charles's father, Walter Dance, died in 1949.

0:28:560:29:00

All I know about my dad

0:29:010:29:04

was that he died when I was about three and a half to four.

0:29:040:29:08

He didn't die of old age.

0:29:080:29:10

I think he was in his 50s.

0:29:100:29:12

My mother used to refer to him as WD.

0:29:130:29:16

He was a divorcee when she met him.

0:29:170:29:20

That's all the information I have.

0:29:210:29:23

I know absolutely nothing about his personality,

0:29:240:29:27

what kind of man he was.

0:29:270:29:29

This is the only photograph I have of my father.

0:29:300:29:33

I'm on my way now,

0:29:350:29:37

to meet somebody who might be able to enlighten me as to...

0:29:370:29:41

what the uniform is, what regiment he was in.

0:29:410:29:45

All of the things that I need to know

0:29:460:29:48

to start piecing together this particular jigsaw puzzle.

0:29:480:29:52

-You must be Peter.

-Hello, Charles. Nice to meet you.

0:29:530:29:56

Charles is meeting historian Peter Donaldson.

0:29:560:29:59

This photograph is the only image I have of my father.

0:30:040:30:07

It looks a little bit like a First World War uniform.

0:30:070:30:10

-That's what I thought.

-But there are a couple of clues that tell us it's not from the First World War.

-OK.

0:30:100:30:15

There are no breast pockets on Walter's tunic here.

0:30:150:30:18

In the First World War soldiers had breast pockets

0:30:180:30:21

to slip their pay book in.

0:30:210:30:23

Also, he's wearing a rather fancy belt with a brass buckle.

0:30:230:30:26

Those had disappeared by the First World War.

0:30:260:30:28

We could date this pretty precisely

0:30:280:30:31

to the 15 years or so before the First World War.

0:30:310:30:35

-15?

-Back to 1900.

0:30:350:30:38

Blimey!

0:30:380:30:39

Something immediately occurs to me.

0:30:410:30:44

What's that?

0:30:440:30:46

This might not be my father.

0:30:460:30:48

Oh, gosh.

0:30:480:30:49

-Why...why you think that?

-Well...

0:30:490:30:52

..because he died in...

0:30:530:30:56

..1949,

0:30:580:31:00

when my father was about 50.

0:31:000:31:03

-Let's say that's 1900.

-Yes.

0:31:030:31:07

He would have been a baby.

0:31:070:31:09

This is not a baby.

0:31:090:31:10

Well, we've got another document,

0:31:100:31:13

and that gives us a little bit more information about this man

0:31:130:31:17

in the photograph.

0:31:170:31:19

This is Walter Dance's form he filled in

0:31:190:31:22

when he enlisted in the Army.

0:31:220:31:24

-This is this man?

-Yeah.

-Oh, thank God for that.

0:31:240:31:27

I thought we were... Right, OK. Right.

0:31:270:31:29

What's the date of this document?

0:31:290:31:32

23rd of January, 1900.

0:31:320:31:35

What is your age... 25 years, eight months. Oh, blimey!

0:31:350:31:39

So in 1900, he was nearly 26!

0:31:390:31:43

He was nearly 26, yes.

0:31:430:31:45

So...

0:31:450:31:46

he was born in 1874.

0:31:460:31:49

1874, exactly, yes.

0:31:490:31:51

Wow. OK.

0:31:510:31:54

Charles now knows that his dad was born 26 years earlier

0:31:550:31:59

than he previously thought.

0:31:590:32:01

He would have been 72 when Charles was born.

0:32:010:32:04

And we go over the page,

0:32:060:32:08

we can see a little bit more about Walter's service record.

0:32:080:32:11

He was posted on the 30th of April, 1900.

0:32:110:32:14

If we look on the first page again,

0:32:140:32:16

he signed up for either the duration of the war in South Africa...

0:32:160:32:20

Oh, I didn't know that. War in South Africa?

0:32:200:32:23

"For a term of one year unless the war in South Africa lasts longer."

0:32:230:32:28

-Was this the Boer War?

-The Boer War, that's right.

0:32:280:32:31

Charles's father, Walter, enlisted to serve in the Boer War

0:32:340:32:38

which was fought in South Africa between the British

0:32:380:32:41

and Dutch settlers, known as Boers.

0:32:410:32:43

After the war broke out in 1899,

0:32:440:32:47

heavy British losses led to an appeal for volunteers.

0:32:470:32:51

Walter answered that call.

0:32:530:32:55

His service record contains details about his family

0:32:550:32:59

at the time he joined up.

0:32:590:33:01

-Name and address and next of kin.

-Oh, right.

0:33:020:33:04

Oh, wife?! Louie Rowley Morris.

0:33:040:33:07

Particulars as to children.

0:33:070:33:09

-Norah?

-Norah.

0:33:090:33:11

So Louie and Walter have a child, Norah.

0:33:110:33:15

She was born on the 11th of December, 1898.

0:33:150:33:19

So...I have a sister.

0:33:190:33:22

I see. Right.

0:33:250:33:27

Charles has discovered that his dad Walter had a wife, Louie,

0:33:290:33:33

and daughter, Norah - Charles's half sister,

0:33:330:33:36

who was born nearly 50 before him.

0:33:360:33:39

Young daughter's born in 1898 and a year later

0:33:410:33:45

he signs up for active service in South Africa.

0:33:450:33:49

A rather odd thing to do, don't you think?

0:33:490:33:51

I mean, was there a great, kind of, recruiting drive at this point?

0:33:510:33:55

There was a huge recruiting drive.

0:33:550:33:57

So Walter would have gone forward to do his patriotic duty,

0:33:570:34:01

to serve his country in a moment of crisis.

0:34:010:34:04

-But, for some men, it would have been a sense of adventure, excitement.

-I see.

0:34:040:34:08

Actually, we do have some more information

0:34:080:34:10

about Walter and his war record up at the Royal Fusilier Museum,

0:34:100:34:16

where his regiment was based.

0:34:160:34:18

-We can go there and have a look at that if you'd like?

-Excellent.

0:34:180:34:21

I can feel the hairs going up on the back of my neck. Wonderful.

0:34:210:34:24

Walter Dance was in the Royal Fusiliers.

0:34:270:34:30

Charles is on his way to the regimental archives

0:34:300:34:33

held in the Tower of London.

0:34:330:34:35

Charles, what we have here is the medal roll from the Royal Fusiliers.

0:34:360:34:41

This is the battalion that your father was in.

0:34:410:34:44

-Right.

-And here are...

0:34:440:34:46

..the names of those who were from your father's battalion

0:34:470:34:50

who were awarded the South Africa Medal.

0:34:500:34:53

QUIETLY READS NAMES

0:34:530:34:55

8953, Sergeant Dance, W.

0:34:590:35:02

And to go with the Roll of Honour,

0:35:020:35:04

we have the actual medal that your father would have been awarded.

0:35:040:35:08

Good Lord!

0:35:110:35:13

So this is a campaign medal that all those who served in the war

0:35:150:35:19

in South Africa, the Boer War, would have received.

0:35:190:35:21

And the clasps tell you the campaigns they were engaged in.

0:35:210:35:26

Transvaal, Orange Free State, Cape Colony.

0:35:270:35:29

By the time Walter reached South Africa,

0:35:340:35:37

the war had entered a brutal guerilla phase.

0:35:370:35:40

The Boers adopted hit and run tactics,

0:35:400:35:43

launching surprise attacks on British bases

0:35:430:35:45

and blowing up supply lines and communications.

0:35:450:35:49

We know from the regimental diaries that Walter

0:35:510:35:55

and the Second Battalion of the Royal Fusiliers

0:35:550:35:58

were spending a lot of their time hunting down Boer guerillas.

0:35:580:36:01

That would involve day after day of arduous route marching.

0:36:010:36:06

At night-time he'd be on camp duty, maybe on picket duty,

0:36:070:36:11

out 1,000 metres beyond the camp perimeter,

0:36:110:36:13

-in the dark, on high alert, waiting for a Boer ambush possibly.

-Wow.

0:36:130:36:18

So really physically and psychologically demanding work.

0:36:180:36:21

-Pretty tough?

-Pretty tough. Absolutely. Very tough.

-Blimey.

0:36:210:36:25

It would have taken a huge amount of endurance and courage.

0:36:250:36:28

Well, I have to say, this is quite moving, Peter,

0:36:320:36:35

you know, because, erm...

0:36:350:36:37

Because I know so little, you see,

0:36:400:36:43

so gradually, bit by bit...

0:36:430:36:45

..we're finding out about the life of a man...

0:36:460:36:49

..who I just knew this name, WD.

0:36:510:36:54

And you've been able to tell me an enormous amount.

0:36:550:36:58

And I think these artefacts do connect, don't they, to the person?

0:36:580:37:01

Yeah, they do, yeah.

0:37:010:37:03

-Thank you.

-You're welcome.

0:37:040:37:06

It's rather extraordinary to know that here, in my 70th year,

0:37:110:37:15

I'm only finding out about all this now.

0:37:150:37:18

There's something about this...

0:37:180:37:20

..that, erm...

0:37:210:37:23

..I do find quite moving.

0:37:290:37:30

Charles's father returned from South Africa in 1901.

0:37:340:37:37

Charles wants to know what happened next to Walter,

0:37:380:37:41

his first wife, Louie,

0:37:410:37:43

and their daughter, Norah.

0:37:430:37:45

Well, after the revelations of yesterday,

0:37:460:37:49

which left me reeling somewhat,

0:37:490:37:52

I'm back in the relative peace and tranquillity of my own home.

0:37:520:37:56

And I thought I'd delve into the Census records,

0:37:580:38:01

which are published every ten years, I believe.

0:38:010:38:04

So I think if I look in 1911,

0:38:040:38:07

because Dad would be back from South Africa then.

0:38:070:38:11

Hopefully, this will give me a start.

0:38:110:38:14

Anyway, as much as I can find out off my own bat.

0:38:140:38:17

Here we are. Walter Dance. Head of family. 37.

0:38:200:38:24

Louie Dance...she was 41.

0:38:250:38:28

Four years older than him.

0:38:280:38:31

Total children born alive, two.

0:38:320:38:35

Children still living, one.

0:38:370:38:39

Children who have died...

0:38:400:38:42

one.

0:38:420:38:44

I hope it wasn't Norah who died.

0:38:440:38:46

No, Norah's 12 at the time.

0:38:460:38:49

And she was at school.

0:38:490:38:51

Thankfully, Norah is still with us. Sister Norah.

0:38:510:38:55

I wonder if anybody can tell me a bit more...

0:38:550:38:58

..about...

0:38:590:39:01

..my other brother or sister.

0:39:020:39:04

Hmm.

0:39:060:39:08

I found out that I had not one, but two other siblings...

0:39:140:39:19

..one of whom died.

0:39:210:39:23

Charles wants to know more about his sibling who died.

0:39:240:39:28

He's agreed to meet genealogist Judy Leicester in Acton.

0:39:280:39:31

I hope you're Judy, otherwise I'm approaching

0:39:330:39:35

-a total stranger in the street.

-Indeed I am.

0:39:350:39:37

-Very pleased to meet you.

-And you.

0:39:370:39:39

I searched for a birth registration for any other child of Walter and Louie,

0:39:390:39:44

and I did find that they'd had a daughter.

0:39:440:39:48

-Oh, another daughter.

-This document explains a little bit about her.

0:39:480:39:52

Born on 13th May, 1903.

0:39:570:39:59

Name, if anything, Mary Rowley.

0:39:590:40:02

So...little Mary Rowley.

0:40:020:40:05

I think, probably, Walter moved around a lot,

0:40:050:40:08

as work opportunities arose for him.

0:40:080:40:10

-Yeah.

-He was in a profession that was in great demand at that time.

0:40:100:40:14

An electrical engineer.

0:40:140:40:16

So, tell me, do you know what happened to Mary?

0:40:160:40:19

I've got another document which will show you what happened to Mary.

0:40:190:40:23

Death in the subdistrict of Acton.

0:40:230:40:25

16th July, 1908.

0:40:260:40:29

At 100 Goldsmith Avenue.

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Mary Rowley Dance, female, five years old.

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Fracture of the skull?

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Caused by being accidentally struck by a scaffold pole?

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Good God!

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So what do you think happened?

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-Well, Acton was an expanding suburb at this time.

-Yeah.

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There was a lot of building work going on,

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and the houses in this street had been completed by about 1907,

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but the surrounding streets would have been very much like

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-a building site.

-Oh, my God, yes.

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So she might have been playing on the building site.

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Yes, especially as it was the summer holidays from school.

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-Oh, yes, of course.

-She could have been out playing in the street.

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But we do know that she died in the family home.

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So it's possible she was taken back to the house

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from wherever the accident happened.

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-This is Goldsmith Avenue?

-Yes, just up here, these houses.

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-Number 100.

-Number 100.

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So I'm trying to find number 100.

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Where are we now? 84. OK.

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A few more to go.

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And 100.

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Hmm.

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She might have been playing on a building site.

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Little Mary comes back here...

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..and this is where she died.

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It would be nice to know what she looked like.

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I've an image...

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..of a pretty little girl.

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I have a very pretty little girl.

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I have a very pretty bigger girl!

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And, thank God, they're all right.

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Horrible.

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Absolutely horrible.

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I don't really want to think about it, but I am thinking about it.

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It is overwhelmingly sad.

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And I don't think, as a parent...

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one would ever get over something like that.

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Evening.

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Hi, darling. Can I have a glass of pinot, I'll be over there.

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-I'll bring it over.

-Thank you. Thanks.

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Charles wants to know what happened to his dad after Mary died.

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He is checking the electoral register.

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Walter Dance, The Bryn, Keith Road, Hayes, Middlesex.

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So...they've moved now,

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from Goldsmith Avenue,

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to Keith Road, Middlesex.

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And they were there from 1912, 1913, 1914,

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1922, 1923, '24...

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My mother did tell me that Walter and his first wife were divorced.

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But in 1924 he was still living under the same roof.

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And it's still Louie Dance and Walter Dance,

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so I assume they were still married, but their names

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do not appear after 1924.

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It seems that...

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they weren't around, not in London then.

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To discover why his dad disappeared from the records,

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Charles has enlisted the help of genealogist Laura Berry.

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Hello, Charles. Lovely to meet you.

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-And you, please.

-Thank you.

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Since Walter dropped off the radar in 1924,

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I decided to have a look through newspapers and magazines,

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and I did actually find this entry in the Surveyor Magazine from 1923.

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"Appointments wanted.

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"Engineer. Electrical mechanical and construction.

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"Desirous of settling in South Africa..."

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Yeah, cos he'd been there for a while during the Boer War.

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So he's looking for a job in South Africa.

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Which was a brilliant lead,

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because I then went to have a look at some passenger lists.

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And I found this ship,

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and the date is just about a year after the advert was posted.

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The SS Baradine.

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Names of passengers...

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..Dance, Walter and Mrs Louise - Louie - Dance.

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So...basically, selling up in England and going to South Africa.

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Why did they decide to go out to South Africa?

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Well, Norah married a South African man.

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-Really?

-Mmm.

-OK.

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Charles's sister, Norah, married Hugo Hugo-Brunt in 1921.

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Walter and his first wife, Louie, moved to South Africa

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to be close to them three years later.

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So I would love it if you could shed a little more light on...

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..Walter and Louie's life after

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boarding this vessel to South Africa.

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Well, having found the whole family going out to South Africa,

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I then did a trawl of the archives in South Africa,

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and discovered that Norah died in 1993, unfortunately.

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Did she? Died in 1993.

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Blimey!

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She was born in 1898.

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That's a pretty good innings, isn't it, really?

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Yeah. The only thing that I found was a will for Norah...

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-Yeah.

-..dated from 1993.

-Right.

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She names her executor as Nonine Knox, who was her granddaughter.

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-And that would be your great-niece.

-Nonine Knox.

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So my great-niece.

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I have actually managed to find an address for Nonine.

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So that's where she's living in Pretoria.

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Is she really? Nonine is living in Pretoria?

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-Yes.

-So, hopefully, I can find out a fair bit more.

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I didn't know anything about this whole other life in South Africa.

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Now I have a great-niece in South Africa.

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Does Nonine, who I'm going to go and see...

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does she know of my relationship to Norah?

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Her grandmother?

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Does she realise that?

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The fact that I am Norah's half brother?

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We share this not that usual name, Dance.

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Why no attempt has been made...

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..to get in touch with me.

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Anyway.

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Maybe I'll find out.

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Charles has travelled thousands of miles

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to meet his great-niece in South Africa.

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He's heading to Pretoria, where she lives.

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I hope Nonine is going to be able to tell me

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about her grandmother, my sister.

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And hopefully, a little, if not a lot more, about my father.

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You must be Nonine.

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-Pleased to meet you.

-I'm very pleased to meet you too!

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Well! We've come a long way for this.

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-Can we go somewhere and talk?

-Come, please.

-Thank you.

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Charles doesn't know if Nonine realises that he is her great-uncle.

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We've been trying to put the story together,

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not quite sure where we fit in this story.

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I was led to believe you were a cousin.

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I'll tell you, if you don't know.

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Look, other than the fact that I know that your surname is Dance

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-and my grandmother's maiden name was Dance.

-Indeed.

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And my boys have watched all your movies.

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-Really?

-Mm-hmm.

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Well, they have impeccable taste, that's all I can say.

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And your granny, that's my half sister.

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-Is that your half sister?

-That's Norah.

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-That's absolutely amazing.

-Yeah, yeah.

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Let's bring it in.

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Nonine has a chest of memorabilia passed down to her by Norah.

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-That's Norah.

-That's Norah!

-I don't know her age at that photograph.

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Hello, Norah.

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Norah wrote her autobiography.

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She what?! Oh-hoh!

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Well done, Norah!

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OK. Glasses.

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OK.

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Norah Hugo-Brunt, chapter one.

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In her autobiography Norah writes about her and Charles's dad,

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who was one of five brothers.

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"Father used to recount that when they arrived in Broadstairs

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"the word went around, look out, the Dance Boys have arrived."

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Ha!

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"They were a gay young crowd, and in their youth

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"had the good fortune of living in a town house in London,

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"and a country house in Broadstairs, Kent,

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"where they spend most of... the summer months."

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Oh, dear.

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I don't know why this is quite so overwhelming, but it is.

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"My father had a great sense of humour." Oh, good for him!

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"Much too much sometimes when in a mischievous mood.

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"Often amongst strangers, this caused me considerable embarrassment."

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Yeah, I think I do that to my children!

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"He was a strong swimmer."

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I swim.

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"Keen shot, fisherman, tennis and cricket player and boxer.

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"In fact, one could call him a pretty good all-rounder."

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Well, you know, I wasn't great academically at school,

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but I was quite sporty, did all these things.

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"He was tall, about six feet in height,

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"broad shouldered, ruddy complexion that goes with red hair.

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"His eyes were greeny blue, and he liked to refer to his nose as Roman."

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I'm tall, I'm broad shouldered, I have a ruddy complexion.

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I used to have red hair.

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I've got a kind of Roman nose.

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"He was a lovable and a generous man,

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"and slow to anger."

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Yeah, it takes a lot to wind me up.

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I mean, really.

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For me to have a temper, somebody has to really...

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..put my nose out of joint seriously, before I lose my temper.

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"He had a weak streak, liked to be considered a ladies' man."

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I think that's a quality, not a fault!

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I think I've inherited quite a lot of that, really.

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Charles wants to know about his dad's life in South Africa,

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and how he ended up returning to London and marrying his mum.

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"Father became the electrical engineer for the little town of...

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-"Humansdorp?"

-That's right.

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"They adored their grandchildren."

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Hmm.

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So that's why they came out to South Africa.

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But they came back? I wonder why?

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"In 1936 I went through the agony of having to say goodbye

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"to my beloved parents.

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"Father had had a serious illness necessitating an operation...

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"I expect too, he never really got it out of his system

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"that he had fought the Boers.

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"There was only one thing to do, return to their homeland.

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"My mother died very shortly after she returned."

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Phwoar!

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That's quite something, isn't it?

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-So... They didn't divorce.

-No.

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They went back to England together, and, unfortunately, she died.

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Now, Walter married my mother,

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really not long after Louie died.

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So...

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I wonder if...

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Norah had a bit of a problem with that?

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-Probably did.

-You know.

-The time lapse was too short.

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Well, it's kind of not surprising.

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But then that's kind of explains why I don't know our relationship.

0:54:350:54:40

No.

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No, well, we're starting.

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All right, this is day one.

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-Day one!

-OK.

-Chapter one.

-Yeah.

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Norah also kept albums of photographs,

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which include pictures of Charles's dad.

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-Is this the old man?

-Yes, that's him.

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Wow.

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1921, so he was 47 here.

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Do you see a resemblance?

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-Yes, I do.

-Do you?

-Yes.

-OK.

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So there he is.

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Pipe clamped firmly between his teeth.

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-Now I've got one more of him.

-Have you? OK.

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It's hidden in the back of the book here.

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Very dapper indeed.

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Very dapper. I don't know what the occasion was.

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He's got a bit of a twinkle in his eye, hasn't he?

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-A naughty twinkle!

-Oh, well...

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You say you only have one photograph of him.

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Yes. Yeah.

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And it's...

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-There you go.

-Oh, my God.

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Thank you very much, thank you.

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I think that's very special.

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It is.

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It is indeed.

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This is great. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Charles, would you like to meet the rest of my family?

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Come on in.

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Hello, how do you do? What's your name?

0:56:070:56:09

-Fraser.

-Fraser, hi.

-Nice to meet you.

0:56:090:56:11

-I'm Ramsey.

-Hi, Ramsey.

-I'm Darren.

-Hi, Darren.

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I'm your great, great-uncle, OK, take it or leave it!

0:56:150:56:18

-I think I'll take it, eh?

-Good! Excellent.

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There was more than an element of surprise, of course,

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to find out that I have a whole other family,

0:56:280:56:31

Nonine, who I've met, and Nonine's family.

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So I have a great niece, and I have great great-nephews.

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I've made contact with them now.

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A whole other world.

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Wonderful.

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The understanding that I now have of my father and his life,

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in some peculiar way...

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..has given me more of an understanding about me.

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What I feel about Walter Dance, my dad, is quite proud.

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Dare I say, quite a good-looking man.

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He was well turned out.

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He was upright. He swam, he played tennis, fished.

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I kind of do all those things.

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So that's come down to me.

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It's a very revealing process.

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Overall, I think I'm pretty proud of him, actually.

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I wish I'd known him.

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