June Brown Who Do You Think You Are?


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If you care to look at my wardrobe, most of it is 25 years old.

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This was given to me by Angie when she went to Spain the first time.

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Though, Dot, she only wears it for special occasions.

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84-year-old actress June Brown has been a British cultural icon for decades...

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You can see all the brooches.

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..Playing the indomitable Dot Cotton in the BBC soap EastEnders.

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It shouldn't really be too co-ordinated, cos she gets the colours slightly wrong.

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Many find it difficult to distinguish June from the part she plays.

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I think they think I'm very like Dot. A lot of people call me Dot.

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I'm always delighted when they call me June.

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There's a negligee.

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SHE CHUCKLES

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Well covered up.

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I am the oldest person who has ever done Who Do You Think You Are?

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June married at 23 and by the age of 30 was widowed after her husband's suicide.

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She continued her acting career

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and in 1958 married for a second time, to actor Robert Arnold.

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They had six children, losing one as a baby.

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In 2003, after 45 years of marriage, June was widowed again.

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I'm not a person who can cry.

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I think I've sort of worked my emotions out,

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so I don't EXPECT to weep, although I will have some waterproof mascara, but I don't THINK I will.

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June knows she has East End Jewish roots.

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Now she wants to see whether these spread any further

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than the laundrette she's inhabited professionally for more than 20 years.

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I've never really felt like an EastEnder, I knew my mother was.

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SHE LAUGHS

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I don't think we'll find any royal blood,

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any blue blood flowing in our veins but who cares, we're all people.

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Well, I'm going to have a wine glass, yeah.

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So did you want some?

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Where's the champagne?

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'I was born in 1927. We had no television, telephones or cars.'

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'It was a lovely life.

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'It's a different world from ours.'

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At the age of 84, June feels that this is her last chance to discover if she's a real EastEnder.

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Smile.

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Before she begins, her family has gathered at her Surrey home to send her off in style.

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-Cheers, cheers.

-I've already drunk mine.

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June was born in Suffolk, one of five children.

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Her parents, Louisa and Henry both came from London's East End.

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Scottish grandfather, Italian grandmother...

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er, Irish grandfather.

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Like a mongrel, I'm not truly English,

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I'm not truly anything as far as I know,

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'but I know I'm Jewish, through my mother's line.'

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It's her mother's Jewish East End heritage June wants to investigate.

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-I'm not married.

-That is my mother, and my mother was 35 for years

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and then she got fed up with being 35 and suddenly said, "Oh, I'm 50."

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When I was first in EastEnders, they said, "47-year-old June Brown",

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Well, I was 58. I said...

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-We laughed at that!

-"If they want to think I'm 47, let them."

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I thought, "I'm not going to say any different."

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Did we laugh at that? You might have done, I didn't, I was delighted.

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As the Matriarch, she is the keeper of the family history,

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and over the years has collected together an archive of photographs and stories.

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That was 1967, your father was quite famous at the time,

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as PC Swain in Dixon of Dock Green.

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Is this you here?

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That is me as a bridesmaid in green satin.

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This is the wedding of my auntie Marie.

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They all, they lived in the East End.

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All of those are Jewish cousins.

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My mother said, and I might be completely wrong,

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but my mother did say we had a champion bare knuckle fighter,

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and he was in the East End, of course.

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-What was the fighter's name?

-His name was Isaac Bitton

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I don't know where Bitton comes from, it doesn't sound Jewish.

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It would be nice to find out a bit more about him. Well, I'd like to find out more about him.

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-I wouldn't know.

-Did he have money?

-Well, I should think so.

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-Well, it would be quite interesting.

-..To follow that.

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It's all my mother, the Jewish side, it's Granny.

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June's family archive includes a document that proves she's a direct descendant from Isaac Bitton.

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My mother was born in the Mile End Road,

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she mentioned this famous bare knuckle fighter in the East End

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and I'd like to find out more about Isaac Bitton, if I can.

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Family research has managed to trace back

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as far as June's great, great, great grandfather,

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the bare knuckle boxer Isaac Bitton, born in 1779.

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Now June is hoping that Isaac, the legendary fighter,

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will help her travel further back into her East End past.

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I'm a very curious person, I like to know everything, really.

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I don't care what I find out, as long as I find out.

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-Would you be Michael Berkowitz?

-Yes, I am.

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-My name is June Brown,

-Pleasure meeting you.

-Thank you so much.

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Historian Michael Berkowitz is an expert on Jewish London,

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and the early years of British boxing.

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And here we have Isaac Bitton.

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Your great, great, great grandfather.

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He was a big personality, a real EastEnder.

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Yeah, but look at the little dancing feet.

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They remind me a bit of you know, dance like a butterfly.

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It looks like he has quite strong legs.

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He was known for being undefeated, an extremely powerful fighter.

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In the early 19th century, Isaac Bitton lived in London's growing Jewish community in the East End,

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an area that for century's had been home to those on the social margins.

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The blood thirsty sport of bare knuckle fighting was at the height of its popularity.

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Few rules existed, and audiences were entertained by bouts that could continue for hours.

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With no limit to the number of rounds, the winner was only decided

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when his opponent could no longer stand and fight.

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For men like Isaac, the sport provided one of the few paths to fame and fortune.

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One of the things that is very interesting is

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not only were Jews involved, who were pretty marginal in society.

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-Exactly.

-But also Irish and blacks.

-Yeah.

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And one of the things that boxers consider very special is that,

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although it's a very brutal world,

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that they treated each other with more respect

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and more dignity, than they would be accorded in the wider society.

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If you could take a look, there was a paragraph down here that I've marked.

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"One thing at all events is certain, he was a Jew,

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"that was unmistakably... stamped upon his physiogomy.

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"The hook nose, the thick lips, the swarthy complexion,

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"the curly black hair and piecing black eyes.

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"Every traditional feature of the Jewish face was there in most marked and pronounced characters."

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So they're talking about the racial characteristics, which is completely wrong,

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but he had no problem showing himself as a very, almost stereotypically, um, Jewish Jew.

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I think this is part of his personality and part of the magnetism.

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He was very comfortable, although he had a lot of it, He was very comfortable in his own skin.

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-You mean he was fat?

-Yes, he was fat, but agile.

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The sport of bare knuckle boxing was illegal.

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Fights were arranged covertly,

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many taking place on London's Commons, far from the attention of the police.

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But attending the fights had become a fashionable past-time.

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The cream of society enjoyed mixing with London's underworld.

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Though most of the boxers themselves saw little profit from the fights,

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vast sums were won and lost by the wealthy audiences betting on the outcome.

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A fighter like Isaac Bitton would have been lauded by his aristocratic audiences.

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The fights were incredibly popular and they could have hundreds, if not thousands of spectators,

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even Byron was a great patron, so he knew a lot of these very important people of his time.

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He was identified, very consistently, as sort of one of the great figures of the East End.

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Actually we've got a rather special publication here,

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called Pugilistica, it's just over a little 100 years old.

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If I could have you read toward the end...

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(This is fun!)

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"Isaac Bitton, a Jew of great strength,

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"was well known for more than 30 years

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"to the ring-going world of the last generations."

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"His draw with Maddox deserves preservation

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"and for these reasons we've given the ponderous Isaac..."

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Ponderous! "..a niche in our history."

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It's a fight that lasts 74 rounds.

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You know, which would be absolutely un-heard of...

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It's referred to as one of the hardest fought battles ever.

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Isaac actually came out on top by the end,

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except he isn't, he simply isn't going to be able to see,

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-you know he was probably completely swollen and...

-Like this one, yes, he probably, his eyes were.

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-Yeah.

-Oh, dear me. Do you think his brain was damaged?

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Oh, I think it's... It would... If it didn't get damaged in some way, it would be utterly remarkable.

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Isaac Bitton's epic fight of 74 bloody rounds,

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took place in December 1802, on Wimbledon Common, when he was just 23 years old.

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It would be the greatest fight of his career.

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Isaac retired undefeated.

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"His weight after his retirement, so immensely increased

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"that although his activity was remarkable for his size, he draw at scale, 17 stone."

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That's not that bad nowadays, they can be 22, and really quite small.

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For quite a long time though he was the life of the party. I mean he was one of the major figures,

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I think it will most likely be helpful

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to see what kind of evidence is available at Bevis Marks Synagogue,

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because there are references, to him as being Sephardic.

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-That is, coming from...

-From Spain.

-..The Spanish world,

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which means either Spain or Portugal at some point.

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From Michael's research, June has clues to her family's Sephardic Jewish roots in the East End.

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She's on her way to the Bevis Marks Sephardic Synagogue,

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which holds records for the community.

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Hello, nice to meet you.

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My name's June Brown, yours is?

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I'm Maurice Bitton, I'm the, er... I look after this wonderful old synagogue.

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You're not a relative by any chance, are you?

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I was hoping we were, but I don't think we are.

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-I'm sure we must be, with a name like that.

-Well, if you go back far enough, we probably are.

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As you can see, this was built in 1701, which makes it the oldest surviving synagogue in the country.

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It's beautiful isn't it?

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It is, isn't it?

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All the...candelabra, I suppose you call them.

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You get this wonderful sense of silence.

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-Let me introduce you.

-Oh!

-Miriam Rodrigues-Pereira, who's our archivist.

-How do you do?

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It's very kind of you to come and tell me.

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It's been a pleasure to do.

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-Is this the Rabbi's, erm...?

-Reading desk.

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-Reading desk.

-This is the, um...

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this is the book of all the Hebrew marriage certificates. There we are.

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There he is.

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Their names are given in Hebrew, here. "Isaac son of Abraham Bitton",

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And her name is Hava.

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-Hava.

-Eve, in Hebrew.

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So that gives us his father, who's Abraham.

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Yes, it sounds like the Old Testament doesn't it?

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Isaac son of Abraham.

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-There's his signature.

-Oh, he could write quite well.

-Yes.

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-He was literate.

-And

-what's that say?

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That says "novio", which is the Spanish, actually, for Bridegroom.

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-Oh, that's lovely.

-And at the bottom, the Rabbi has written in Portuguese,

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"I married them with the seven blessings, the 10th July 1818."

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How wonderful.

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Aged 39, Isaac married Hava,

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17 years after beginning his career as a bare knuckle boxer.

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For June, the wedding record is the first time

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she's seen evidence of any other Bitton ancestors,

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Isaac's father Abraham.

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The next document Miriam has for June is from 1798, when Isaac was 19 years old.

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This is the charity ledger from 1798

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and Isaac's father was getting money every month.

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-Uh-huh.

-Until, um, April.

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-And F, I think, is "faleceu", which is the Portuguese for died.

-Oh.

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So he died,

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so Isaac was on his own.

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Is the mother mentioned?

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No, it was just himself and Isaac.

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Oh.

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The charity ledger proves that Isaac and his father Abraham

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were living on their own in London's East End.

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June wants to discover what happened to Isaac after his father's death.

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So we know from the birth register Isaac had 11 children altogether.

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And this is the ledger for the charity allotment by the congregation,

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which gives all the details of, er...

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Oh, it's, oh, it's the money they give.

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"Isaac Bitton relief."

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Yes, Isaac, here we are.

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Isaac gets money, ten shillings, this was in 1838.

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But, I mean, how long was that?

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Do you know whether he, that he stopped boxing by then?

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I don't think he was ever wealthy.

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-Oh.

-He didn't have very much, and the congregation was very good at providing for people...

-Yes.

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..Giving them allowances and giving them coal in the winter.

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Otherwise, there was no welfare for anybody.

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Exactly. And they'd starve, especially with all those children.

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So, erm, yes.

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More than a century before the creation of a welfare state,

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Britain's poor relied on charity for survival.

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The Bevis Mark Sephardic Synagogue looked after it's members,

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distributing sedekah - charitable donations to the needy,

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like Isaac and his family.

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There is a note of his death, so...

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Oh, right. Oh, it's in English, that's marvellous.

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I can read this. Where do we go? Ah. Oh, here we've got it, look.

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"Old Ikey", that's nice, isn't it?

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"After a few weeks illness, breathed his last at the age of 60,

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"in the Eastern Quarter, where he was so long known,

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"and lies in the Jewish burial ground near Bethnal Green."

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Well, it's Mile End Road, actually.

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Well, you see, that's where my mother was born.

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Isaac died in 1839 at the age of 60.

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He had fathered 11 children.

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That's weird, what's that?

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In order to learn any more about her Sephardic roots,

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June has to turn her attention to Isaac's father Abraham,

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her great, great, great, great grandfather.

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-Abraham was an immigrant, as far as we can tell.

-Mm.

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And I should think the most likely place

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-is, er, Holland from Amsterdam.

-Why would you think that?

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-Well, because a lot of our people did come from there.

-Yeah.

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I want to ask you, Miriam, if there are any graves that one could visit

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because if Abraham died here, he would have been buried here.

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Yes, they were both buried here, but unfortunately there is no grave now.

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-Ah.

-And we don't know whether there were gravestones.

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-If there were, they didn't survive.

-Mm.

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Despite Isaac's fame in the East End,

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no memorial to the bare knuckle boxer exists.

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Isaac died penniless,

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just as his father Abraham had, four decades earlier.

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That's always been one of my fears.

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Being poor and old.

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It's not so bad being poor when you're young,

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cos you've always got the hope that something's going to happen,

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but unless you win the football pools, or the lottery comes up,

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you don't have much chance when you're old.

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It seems likely that Abraham and Isaac made their way to London's East End from Holland.

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June's come to Amsterdam to discover if they did live here and, if so,

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why they migrated to London when Isaac was only ten years old.

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For me, it's rather like reading a detective novel,

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which I do all the time.

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It's the only things I read unless I'm being serious.

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And this is like this for me, you know finding out all sorts of fascinating things.

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What I'm interested in finding out

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is why he left Holland or the Netherlands.

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I don't know whether mother had died, or stayed behind or whatever,

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or divorced.

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They must have some reason why he came to the East End of London.

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At Amsterdam's Municipal archives,

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June has arranged to meet Harmen Snell,

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a specialist in Jewish genealogy.

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What I found out in London

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was that I have a great, great, great grandfather

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who was a very well-known bare knuckle champion.

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This is Isaac Bitton, and I'd like to know if he was the only child,

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and why he came at the age of 11, roughly, with his father to the East End.

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And when did they arrive?

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I think roughly 1790.

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Yeah, so we're going to go for Bitton.

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We're looking for some child born about 1778.

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I wish I could work one of these things.

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-This is Abraham Bitton, that's the father.

-Ah-ha.

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These are years that his children were born.

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This is the name of the mother.

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-Ah, oh, look.

-Rachel Rodrigues de Castro.

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-That's a lovely name, isn't it?

-Yes, beautiful.

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I wish I had a name like that.

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-Mine's so common.

-Yeah, well, mine too.

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And here is one child, Isaac.

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-Uh-huh.

-Born 1777.

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Ah, bit older than we thought, then.

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And here is another Isaac, in 1779.

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-Oh, one died.

-One died.

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-The first one died.

-And the second one was named Isaac Haim.

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-Haim, meaning life.

-Mm.

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This is the birth, the registration.

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Good Lord! Such lovely writing they wrote, as well.

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And here you see 29th June 1779,

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Isaac Haim, son of Abraham Bitton and Rachel Rodrigues de Castro.

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So that must be the bare knuckle boxer.

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And his mother was Rachel.

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Yes.

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In the late 18th century, many of Europe's cities

0:22:370:22:41

forced Jews to wear distinguishing marks and live in separate ghettos.

0:22:410:22:46

But in Amsterdam, the city in which Abraham and his family were living,

0:22:460:22:50

Jews were tolerated and could move about and practice their faith freely.

0:22:500:22:54

But even with this freedom, Jews were prohibited from most professions.

0:22:560:23:00

Many were forced to scrape together a living as street traders.

0:23:000:23:05

So what prompted Abraham and the 10-year-old Isaac

0:23:050:23:09

to abandon their family and leave the most tolerant city in Europe,

0:23:090:23:13

for an uncertain future in England?

0:23:130:23:16

What I want to show you is, a book which is called The Termos...

0:23:180:23:26

The Sephardic community, if they had to deal with something they wrote it in this book.

0:23:260:23:31

-Very fancy.

-Very fancy, yeah.

0:23:310:23:34

-Yes.

-But Abraham Bitton is registered here

0:23:340:23:39

being a tax payer for the community.

0:23:390:23:41

Ah, so he wasn't on the poor relief, then?

0:23:410:23:44

-No.

-He had a job.

0:23:440:23:47

He had a job, most likely he was a hawker, on the streets.

0:23:470:23:50

But not a liability on the congregation.

0:23:500:23:52

-No.

-Oh, well done.

0:23:520:23:55

-Not yet.

-Oh, no!

0:23:550:23:58

-Yes.

-What's next?

0:23:580:23:59

-And next,

-What's this?

0:23:590:24:02

This is the year 1784, 1785.

0:24:020:24:06

And here you see Abraham Bitton again, and this is a sedekah list...

0:24:070:24:14

-relief for the poor.

-Uh-huh.

0:24:140:24:17

-And this is the first time he appears in this.

-Right.

0:24:170:24:21

So his household were seven people.

0:24:210:24:23

-So...

-Five children.

-Five children.

0:24:230:24:26

Five children were alive at that moment.

0:24:260:24:29

And these are the amounts that they received.

0:24:290:24:31

Why did they receive that?

0:24:310:24:33

Had he gone down in the world? Was he out of work?

0:24:330:24:36

1784, 1785 were dramatically bad years in Dutch economy.

0:24:360:24:43

We just had a war, behind us.

0:24:430:24:46

-Which war was that?

-It was what we call the Fourth English War.

0:24:460:24:50

So imagine who we were fighting!

0:24:500:24:53

I can't think which war that was.

0:24:530:24:55

We lost, we lost.

0:24:550:24:57

-Oh, good. Oh, I'm sorry!

-Oh, yeah.

0:24:570:24:59

In 1780, the British declared war on Holland,

0:25:010:25:04

when the Dutch came out in support of George Washington

0:25:040:25:08

and his revolutionary forces in America.

0:25:080:25:11

Four years of war with Britain followed.

0:25:110:25:14

The Dutch economy was in ruins and in the years that followed, Jewish street traders like Abraham,

0:25:160:25:22

who in the good times had managed to eke out a living for their families, now faced destitution.

0:25:220:25:27

The 10-year-old Isaac and his father Abraham

0:25:290:25:31

joined a wave of Jewish migrants

0:25:310:25:33

in search of a new life in the booming city of London.

0:25:330:25:36

Abraham's wife Rachel and Isaac's siblings

0:25:380:25:42

were left behind in Amsterdam.

0:25:420:25:44

Why did he move to London without his wife and other children, do you know?

0:25:460:25:50

He probably thought in London there might be chances,

0:25:500:25:54

he went there to see if there were chances to stay there

0:25:540:25:58

-for a longer time and get his family over, but...

-Still goes on!

0:25:580:26:03

It still works like that.

0:26:030:26:05

But in 1795, the Netherlands were invaded by France.

0:26:050:26:12

And from that moment on, it was very difficult

0:26:120:26:15

or almost impossible to travel to England.

0:26:150:26:19

-To leave the country.

-To leave the country.

0:26:190:26:21

And go across the channel, on the boat.

0:26:210:26:23

By 1795, Europe was in the grip of the French Revolutionary Wars.

0:26:250:26:30

Holland was politically and economically vulnerable,

0:26:310:26:34

and the French invading army marched in, isolating the country by land.

0:26:340:26:38

And with Britain and France at war, the channel was blockaded, cutting Holland off by sea.

0:26:390:26:45

Rachel would have given up any hope of escaping the devastated Amsterdam

0:26:480:26:52

to join Abraham and Isaac in London.

0:26:520:26:55

It's probable all communication between the divided family, ceased.

0:26:550:27:00

But by 1801, word from London

0:27:030:27:05

must have got through to the synagogue in Amsterdam.

0:27:050:27:09

Rachel's husband Abraham had died.

0:27:090:27:12

Here, you see, a registration, "the widow of..."

0:27:150:27:20

-Ah.

-"..Abraham Bitton."

0:27:200:27:23

Abraham had already died, and she knows here that he died,

0:27:230:27:29

because she is registered as the widow.

0:27:290:27:31

And her support in this sedekah list is now for three persons.

0:27:310:27:36

So she had eight children.

0:27:360:27:38

Yes, well the other children, at this time in 1801,

0:27:380:27:42

had all died, except Isaac.

0:27:420:27:44

-In these times...

-They died young?

0:27:440:27:47

They died young, many of them died young

0:27:470:27:49

and most of them on tuberculosis or kind of fevers.

0:27:490:27:54

-That's a very bad period of their lives then,

-Yeah.

0:27:540:27:57

They were separated, the son went and she was on the parish, as it were.

0:27:570:28:02

-And, for Isaac, writing letters or visiting his mother...

-Yes.

0:28:020:28:08

-..Was not really in it.

-Impossible.

0:28:080:28:10

It looks like the mother was totally not aware that her son was still alive in London.

0:28:100:28:17

And he had no contact with her...

0:28:170:28:20

-No.

-..Once he was in England.

0:28:200:28:22

Oh, dear.

0:28:220:28:24

What happened to Rachel?

0:28:240:28:26

Well, she died in Amsterdam in 1812,

0:28:260:28:31

and she and her children are buried in Amsterdam.

0:28:310:28:35

Where did Abraham and Rachel come from?

0:28:360:28:39

We can research that when we find the marriage.

0:28:390:28:43

-I will show you.

-Go on, then.

0:28:430:28:45

-I'll show you that one!

-Speedy Gonzales!

0:28:450:28:49

June has uncovered the fate of Isaac's parent's Rachel and Abraham.

0:28:520:28:56

Now she wants to delve further back to earlier generations.

0:28:560:29:01

So, what I have here is a reference to the actual marriage

0:29:040:29:09

of Abraham Bitton and his wife.

0:29:090:29:12

I'm looking for my glasses, I won't be a minute. Right, I've got them.

0:29:140:29:18

I think you might be able to read it without.

0:29:190:29:23

"21st May 1762. Abraham Bitton from..."

0:29:230:29:29

-Can you read this?

-Yes.

0:29:290:29:30

Yes? What does it say?

0:29:300:29:33

Well, I said yes, I said yes, to be accommodating,

0:29:330:29:37

but it looks like "Go" to me!

0:29:370:29:39

You should read it like this.

0:29:390:29:41

It's written, "Livorno".

0:29:410:29:43

-What does that mean? Is that a town in Italy?

-That's the town, in Italy.

0:29:430:29:47

-Where they make hats.

-Town where he was born.

0:29:470:29:50

Really? Oh, so he was Italian?

0:29:500:29:52

And she, it's written here,

0:29:530:29:55

Rachel Rodrigues from Amsterdam,

0:29:550:29:58

and here you see their signatures.

0:29:580:30:01

-Yeah.

-So this is the father of Isaac.

-It's very good, they were literate.

0:30:010:30:05

-Yeah.

-See that's unusual, at that time, because very often

0:30:050:30:10

people couldn't write and they signed their name with a cross.

0:30:100:30:13

Yeah, or with a circle.

0:30:130:30:15

In the Netherlands, Jews very rarely used the cross

0:30:150:30:19

-when they couldn't write.

-Oh, you mean that sort of cross.

0:30:190:30:22

They didn't like very much what the cross had done to them.

0:30:220:30:25

-So the man who came to England...

-Mm.

0:30:250:30:30

-..He came from the Netherlands...

-Mm-hm.

0:30:300:30:32

-..but he was born in Italy.

-Born in Italy.

0:30:320:30:34

I always said I was a mongrel!

0:30:340:30:36

-So where do we go...?

-But his wife was from Ams...

0:30:380:30:40

Maybe go backwards from here?

0:30:400:30:42

We go backwards.

0:30:420:30:44

Harmon has one final document connected to Abraham for June to see.

0:30:440:30:48

So you see, this letter,

0:30:490:30:52

dated 1764,

0:30:520:30:54

says that there is confirmation of his birth...

0:30:540:30:58

-Mm-hm.

-..In Italy, in Livorno,

0:30:580:31:01

with an exact date, 25th June 1732,

0:31:010:31:04

and names of his parents, Joseph and Simha Bitton, in Livorno.

0:31:040:31:08

-That's the mother.

-Yes.

0:31:080:31:11

And this part is even more interesting.

0:31:110:31:15

This is by two other guys, who confirm that Abraham,

0:31:150:31:20

the son of Joseph Bitton,

0:31:200:31:22

who now lives in the city of Amsterdam,

0:31:220:31:27

that he really is from the "nacion Espanola,"

0:31:270:31:31

-the Spanish nation...

-Yeah.

0:31:310:31:33

..And that his grandfather,

0:31:330:31:36

Isaac Bitton...

0:31:360:31:38

..was from the city of Oran.

0:31:400:31:44

-Where's that?

-In the north of Africa.

0:31:450:31:49

-Er...

-Africa!

0:31:490:31:51

In Algeria, nowadays Algeria.

0:31:510:31:53

Algeria.

0:31:530:31:56

And at that time,

0:31:560:31:57

it was Spanish ruled.

0:31:570:31:59

-Ruled by the Spanish.

-Oh, right.

0:31:590:32:02

But it says that the whole family

0:32:020:32:04

was "espulsados", was expelled,

0:32:040:32:08

together with all the Jews -

0:32:080:32:10

"todos los Hebreos" -

0:32:100:32:12

in the year 1669.

0:32:120:32:15

So all the Jews were expelled from that town.

0:32:160:32:19

-Because of faith? Their faith?

-Yes.

0:32:190:32:22

Thank you.

0:32:230:32:24

June has now traced her Bitton ancestors

0:32:390:32:42

back to 1669, to the North African city of Oran,

0:32:420:32:45

when it was under Spanish rule.

0:32:450:32:48

But before she can pursue this new information,

0:32:480:32:52

there is one place she still wants to visit in Holland.

0:32:520:32:55

Amsterdam's Sephardic cemetery is just outside of the city,

0:32:560:33:00

on a tributary of the Amstel River.

0:33:000:33:03

June is now on her way there to see if she can find the grave

0:33:030:33:06

of Isaac's mother Rachel,

0:33:060:33:08

June's great, great, great, great grandmother.

0:33:080:33:11

They must have lived always on edge.

0:33:120:33:14

Their fortunes fell and rose and fell,

0:33:150:33:19

and unfortunately fell more than they rose.

0:33:190:33:22

I think this must have been particularly hard for Rachel

0:33:220:33:26

when she was left.

0:33:260:33:28

It's like being widowed,

0:33:280:33:30

there is the hole there somehow,

0:33:300:33:33

you miss the familiarity of it,

0:33:330:33:35

the pattern of it, the routine of it.

0:33:350:33:37

I think it must have been dreadful

0:33:390:33:42

not to know what happened to your son.

0:33:420:33:44

Well, she couldn't get across the Channel, it was blockaded

0:33:440:33:47

and there wasn't a telephone and, er...

0:33:470:33:50

you couldn't make a call and how did you know how they were?

0:33:500:33:53

It must have been... She must have lived her life in constant worry.

0:33:530:33:57

By tradition, the dead are carried to Beth Haim Cemetery by boat.

0:34:010:34:06

Hello.

0:34:100:34:12

-Thank you. May I hand you this?

-Yeah, of course.

-Thank you.

0:34:120:34:15

Opened in the early 17th century, the cemetery is still used

0:34:170:34:21

and cared for by Amsterdam's Sephardic community.

0:34:210:34:25

Well, that's only... That's ten years later.

0:34:310:34:34

June's sorting through the cemetery's records to find Rachel

0:34:350:34:38

and any of her children who may have been buried here.

0:34:380:34:41

"Bitton."

0:34:410:34:42

Ah, we've got Rachel.

0:34:420:34:46

21st July 1812.

0:34:460:34:49

And the Bitton is only spelt with one T.

0:34:500:34:53

Well, that must be the mother.

0:34:540:34:56

Oh, a child who died at two months old.

0:34:560:35:00

Oh, dear.

0:35:000:35:02

And this is a brother...

0:35:020:35:05

and he was two when he died.

0:35:050:35:07

So...he's died,

0:35:070:35:09

he's died as well.

0:35:090:35:11

Of course, they're all "died" in here,

0:35:110:35:14

and this one died in '96.

0:35:140:35:17

So she lost that daughter,

0:35:180:35:22

this one born '69, Abigail, a daughter -

0:35:220:35:26

- pretty name - died 1812.

0:35:260:35:30

so she died the same time

0:35:300:35:33

as her mother.

0:35:330:35:34

So we've got 1812,

0:35:350:35:37

mother and daughter

0:35:370:35:38

died in the same year.

0:35:380:35:41

Oh!

0:35:410:35:42

Well, the daughter died first,

0:35:420:35:45

Abigail died on the 26th January

0:35:450:35:48

and her mother died on the 21st of July.

0:35:480:35:51

So she was left all on her own.

0:35:520:35:55

She was the last one to die.

0:35:550:35:58

And she'd lost her daughter...

0:35:580:36:01

Perhaps she died heartbroken when her last child died.

0:36:040:36:08

Nothing left to live for.

0:36:080:36:10

Oh, dear.

0:36:100:36:12

What a sad life.

0:36:130:36:15

Beth Haim's caretaker, Dennis Ouderdorp,

0:36:180:36:21

is taking June to the place where Rachel was buried.

0:36:210:36:24

The mother was left alone, she was the last one to die.

0:36:250:36:28

She'd got Isaac, but she didn't know that -

0:36:290:36:31

he was in England.

0:36:310:36:33

If they were wealthy then we have a stone,

0:36:340:36:37

and if they were not wealthy, then it wouldn't have a stone.

0:36:370:36:40

Of field 1763, this is row eight,

0:36:410:36:45

and Rachel was buried in row six.

0:36:450:36:48

-Right.

-So that must be somewhere...here.

0:36:480:36:52

Right.

0:36:530:36:54

Row seven.

0:36:550:36:56

Row seven's about there, yes.

0:36:560:36:59

Somewhere here must be row six.

0:36:590:37:02

Row six.

0:37:020:37:04

So we could be standing on her.

0:37:060:37:08

On her grave, yes.

0:37:080:37:11

Well, I'm going to imagine

0:37:110:37:12

that her grave is here. Where would her head be in this row?

0:37:120:37:16

Erm, on the side we are standing now.

0:37:160:37:19

-This side?

-And the feet upwards.

0:37:190:37:21

So the... It goes that way?

0:37:210:37:23

-Right, right.

-So we are.. We are here.

0:37:230:37:26

-Right.

-Right, thank you. Would you like to leave me alone for a moment?

0:37:260:37:29

-No, of course, I do understand.

-Thank you.

0:37:290:37:32

So... Rachel...

0:37:380:37:41

dear great, great, great, great grandmother.

0:37:410:37:46

I have come to visit you,

0:37:470:37:49

which you never expected.

0:37:490:37:52

And I'm going to show you what happened

0:37:520:37:56

to your only living child

0:37:560:37:59

when you died.

0:37:590:38:01

Well, this is he.

0:38:010:38:03

And he became famous,

0:38:030:38:04

he was a champion bare knuckle fighter,

0:38:040:38:07

so you would have been very proud of him.

0:38:070:38:11

So where is the sun there?

0:38:110:38:13

And I've brought you a flower from him and wherever the sun goes,

0:38:130:38:17

that face will track it,

0:38:170:38:19

so may your face always be beside the sun.

0:38:190:38:21

And this I will place in front.

0:38:210:38:25

I don't suppose it will be there long,

0:38:250:38:28

and according to the Jewish custom,

0:38:280:38:31

I have brought you a stone which, believe it or not,

0:38:310:38:35

has got a little face on it,

0:38:350:38:36

I'm sure you were prettier, but there she is.

0:38:360:38:40

That is on your son.

0:38:410:38:42

I feel a kind of affinity with this Rachel,

0:38:500:38:53

partly because of the amount of children that she had,

0:38:530:38:57

partly because she named two of her children, I think it was,

0:38:570:39:00

when the first one died, with the same name,

0:39:000:39:04

and I did the same.

0:39:040:39:05

I had a premature baby that died when she was 16 days old

0:39:050:39:08

and I named her Chloe, and then I had Sophie

0:39:080:39:12

and then I had William, and the next one I called Chloe again.

0:39:120:39:17

And of course I've...

0:39:170:39:19

lost one child,

0:39:190:39:20

my mother lost two children,

0:39:200:39:22

she had five and I had six, I suppose.

0:39:220:39:25

And this... How many has she lost?

0:39:250:39:28

All of them in the end.

0:39:280:39:29

And she was widowed,

0:39:290:39:31

and I am twice widowed,

0:39:310:39:32

and so I do feel very much that I understand,

0:39:320:39:36

what it must have been like for her

0:39:360:39:38

when she was left at the very end with no children, no husband,

0:39:380:39:42

I'm quite sure she gave up.

0:39:420:39:45

And I should think she'd had enough.

0:39:460:39:49

I think you can almost will yourself to die.

0:39:500:39:54

She at least knows that she had one son living

0:40:040:40:08

at the time of her death, who became successful

0:40:080:40:12

and was charismatic and very well liked.

0:40:120:40:16

Now there is success.

0:40:180:40:20

It won't last long, the photograph.

0:40:250:40:28

But she's seen it.

0:40:300:40:31

June has traced her Bitton family's line from the East End

0:40:370:40:41

to the heart of Amsterdam's Sephardic community.

0:40:410:40:45

To follow these Sephardic roots any further,

0:40:450:40:48

June has to step back a century earlier and trace the journey

0:40:480:40:51

that her family made from Oran, in North Africa,

0:40:510:40:54

when it was under Spanish Imperial rule.

0:40:540:40:57

June has travelled to mainland Spain,

0:41:010:41:04

where records of its time under the Spanish are kept.

0:41:040:41:07

She's starting her journey in Madrid, once the capital of the largest empire in the world.

0:41:190:41:24

I've been to Spain before, not to Madrid,

0:41:280:41:32

and it gives a sense that Spain had a big empire.

0:41:320:41:36

An enormous empire.

0:41:370:41:39

June is in pursuit of another Isaque -

0:41:440:41:47

her great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather.

0:41:470:41:52

She knows this Isaque was expelled from Oran in modern day Algeria,

0:41:520:41:56

in 1669.

0:41:560:41:58

I might be able to find out

0:42:000:42:02

more about my Sephardic roots...

0:42:020:42:05

what happened to those particular Jews,

0:42:050:42:09

because that is a very interesting thing to be part of.

0:42:090:42:14

When June's ancestor was living in the North African Spanish outpost,

0:42:160:42:20

religious intolerance raged.

0:42:200:42:23

For more than two centuries,

0:42:250:42:26

Spain had aggressively expanded its empire.

0:42:260:42:29

As it grew, a zealous Catholicism was branded on its new territories.

0:42:290:42:34

A tribunal was set up to enforce adherence to this Catholic doctrine

0:42:350:42:39

that's become known as the Spanish Inquisition.

0:42:390:42:43

In Spain, Jews faced the onslaught of this Catholic zeal,

0:42:440:42:49

they were offered a choice -

0:42:490:42:52

leave, convert, or face death.

0:42:520:42:55

The Spanish captured Oran in 1509.

0:42:560:43:00

Remarkably in this North African town,

0:43:000:43:02

just a day's sail from mainland Spain,

0:43:020:43:05

the small Jewish community was tolerated,

0:43:050:43:08

and even permitted to practise their faith.

0:43:080:43:12

The area surrounding Oran was rich with fertile ground

0:43:120:43:16

and Jews were put to use brokering deals for the abundant crops,

0:43:160:43:20

between the local Berber farmers and Spanish buyers.

0:43:200:43:24

The largest collection of documents connected to the Jewish presence in Oran,

0:43:350:43:39

is held in royal archives,

0:43:390:43:41

north of Madrid in the town of Simancas.

0:43:410:43:45

June is here to meet Doctor Francois Soyer,

0:43:530:43:57

an expert in the history of the persecution of the Jews in Spain.

0:43:570:44:01

-Ah, you must be Francois Soyer.

-Hello, June.

0:44:050:44:08

You know my name!

0:44:080:44:10

-I'll sit down, shall I? Thank you.

-Sit down.

0:44:100:44:13

-These are rather beautiful.

-It is, it's a beautiful watercolour.

0:44:130:44:17

This is a map of...

0:44:170:44:19

-Map?

-..Of the western Mediterranean, yes.

0:44:190:44:21

It looks like a pretty picture to me.

0:44:210:44:23

On the upper side of this map,

0:44:230:44:25

-is the Mediterranean coast of Spain...

-Yes.

0:44:250:44:29

..The Alicante

0:44:290:44:31

-and in the middle...

-Uh-huh.

-..Majorca, Ibiza,

0:44:310:44:34

and here, at the bottom, what is today Algeria,

0:44:340:44:37

known back in the 17th century as the Barbary Coast.

0:44:370:44:40

Oh, is that right?

0:44:400:44:41

And Oran here, this town on this side.

0:44:410:44:44

Oh, yes, thank you.

0:44:440:44:45

And what is that?

0:44:450:44:48

That is a more detailed map of Oran...

0:44:480:44:51

..drawn actually in 1675.

0:44:520:44:55

The town is surrounded by walls, it's very much a military outpost.

0:44:560:45:00

-Uh-huh.

-It's got, er...

0:45:000:45:03

hostile Muslim outposts all around it.

0:45:030:45:06

Now, the Jews in Oran

0:45:060:45:08

had this rather peculiar existence,

0:45:080:45:10

never fully trusted by the Spaniards,

0:45:100:45:14

very much forced to live in their own little area, erm...

0:45:140:45:17

seen as potential double agents,

0:45:170:45:19

maybe working for the Muslims as much as they were working for the Spaniards.

0:45:190:45:25

Francois has a document, which will give June a clue to Isaque's life,

0:45:250:45:29

and that of his father, a second Abraham.

0:45:290:45:32

Now this is from the Royal Archives.

0:45:330:45:36

I'm going to get slightly round nearer you,

0:45:360:45:40

and we can both read at the same time.

0:45:400:45:42

-Its date is...

-What language is it?

0:45:420:45:45

-It's in Spanish.

-I don't think I'll bother, you can tell me about it.

-I'll give you a translation,

0:45:450:45:50

but its date is from 1637,

0:45:500:45:52

and what it's telling us is that in that year,

0:45:520:45:55

two Jews from Oran,

0:45:550:45:57

asked for the right to trade in Spain,

0:45:570:46:00

and this is exactly the documents here.

0:46:000:46:02

So Sadia Elayque and Abraham ben Boton, Jews.

0:46:020:46:06

What's that name again? Ben Boton?

0:46:060:46:10

-Ben bo... Ben Boton.

-Ben Boton, the name has changed.

0:46:100:46:14

Yep, and the "boton" here is probably

0:46:140:46:16

a Spanish sort of, um... transliteration of what the original name would have been.

0:46:160:46:21

Is this Abraham related to me?

0:46:210:46:24

-The names are so similar...

-Uh-huh.

0:46:240:46:27

..Abraham ben Boton, Isaac Bitton,

0:46:270:46:31

that it... there should be almost no doubt that they are related.

0:46:310:46:35

-Ah.

-Erm, Abraham was probably his father.

0:46:350:46:38

Ah.

0:46:380:46:40

So these two Jews have asked the Crown for the right

0:46:400:46:43

-to come to Spain for their business dealings.

-Um-hm.

0:46:430:46:47

Jews are not allowed to go to Spain normally.

0:46:470:46:50

-No.

-In fact, there is a death penalty

0:46:500:46:52

-against any Jews who were to be found in Spain...

-Uh-huh.

0:46:520:46:55

..Without any proper authorisation.

0:46:550:46:58

As a trader in Oran,

0:47:040:47:06

Isaque's father Abraham needed to travel to Spain to broker deals.

0:47:060:47:10

But under the rules of the fanatical Inquisition,

0:47:130:47:15

any Jew found in Spain without proper authority,

0:47:150:47:19

faced torture or execution.

0:47:190:47:22

The permit granted to Abraham

0:47:250:47:27

allowed him to travel in Spain safely.

0:47:270:47:30

Effectively, they were asking for a visa

0:47:320:47:34

to come to Spain, and it had to go all the way to the king,

0:47:340:47:38

it had to wait for his authorisation.

0:47:380:47:40

This bit here is the king's...

0:47:400:47:44

-Initials, I think.

-Exactly, this was Phillip IV.

0:47:440:47:48

Documents also very interesting because both Sadia Elayque

0:47:480:47:51

and Abraham ben Boton

0:47:510:47:54

are portrayed as good Jews.

0:47:540:47:57

-Right.

-They're descendants of the Jews

0:47:570:47:59

who helped Spain when the town was captured, and Abraham ben Boton

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is one of the most senior members of the local synagogue.

0:48:030:48:06

When the Spanish authorities asked for a list of the most prominent Jews in 1656,

0:48:060:48:11

he's definitely there.

0:48:110:48:13

The best place to go in Spain is probably Toledo in central Spain.

0:48:130:48:17

-Why is that?

-Well, it has probably the best preserved Sephardic,

0:48:170:48:21

medieval Sephardic synagogue in the Western Mediterranean.

0:48:210:48:26

And I would heartily recommend you go there.

0:48:260:48:28

Once again, June has uncovered a father and son,

0:48:320:48:36

another Abraham and another Isaque,

0:48:360:48:39

living in Oran in the mid 17th century.

0:48:390:48:42

What she has not yet uncovered

0:48:480:48:50

is evidence to explain why the ben Boton family

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fell out of favour with the Spanish Court,

0:48:530:48:56

resulting in the expulsion of Abraham and Isaque in 1669.

0:48:560:49:00

How did they go from being the good Jews of Oran, to being cast out?

0:49:000:49:05

Abraham was a Sephardic Jew,

0:49:130:49:17

which of course makes me Sephardi,

0:49:170:49:20

a fact of which I'm rather proud.

0:49:200:49:22

He came from Oran in, er, Algeria

0:49:220:49:25

which was a Spanish property,

0:49:250:49:28

it was a fortress town. They had been there for years,

0:49:280:49:31

but suddenly they were all expelled, whether it was just a general pogrom

0:49:310:49:36

or whether there was a particular reason

0:49:360:49:39

is what I hope to find out.

0:49:390:49:42

During the violent years of the Inquisition,

0:49:430:49:46

few synagogues were spared.

0:49:460:49:49

Many were converted to churches, others looted or destroyed.

0:49:490:49:54

Remarkably, here in Toledo, the 14th-century Sinagoga del Transito

0:49:540:49:58

survived the onslaught of the Inquisition.

0:49:580:50:00

It's very hard not being of the Jewish faith,

0:50:200:50:23

but coming from Jewish roots.

0:50:230:50:26

I see both sides, I suppose, and I suppose that's what we should all do.

0:50:260:50:31

I don't understand religious wars. That is where we ALL go wrong.

0:50:320:50:36

At the synagogue, June's meeting Spanish language scholar Michael Britain.

0:50:450:50:48

He's translated a document written in 1670,

0:50:510:50:54

a year after the Jews were expelled from Oran.

0:50:540:50:57

-It's not exactly brief is it, but it says...

-No.

0:50:590:51:02

-.."Brief account and abbridged summary..."

-Oh, dear.

0:51:020:51:06

"..Of the complete expulsion of the Jews

0:51:060:51:08

"from the Jewish Quarter of the City of Oran, due to the Catholic zeal

0:51:080:51:12

"of the most excellent Senor Dom Fernando."

0:51:120:51:16

-And then it lists... This is all his name...

-Oh, dear.

0:51:160:51:19

..This governor of Oran.

0:51:190:51:21

So this is written by the captain of the place, on his behalf,

0:51:210:51:25

and within it we can see what happened

0:51:250:51:28

and we can see things about the Jewish community at the time which

0:51:280:51:31

Abraham and Isaque lived in, and what happened to them,

0:51:310:51:34

but it's effectively a propaganda document.

0:51:340:51:37

-Uh-huh.

-It's very one-sided.

0:51:370:51:39

Is this to excuse the reason why they expelled the Jews from Oran?

0:51:390:51:43

Exactly, absolutely, and our protagonists in all of this, the Marques,

0:51:430:51:47

he's going to carve himself out a glorious deed.

0:51:470:51:52

In 1667, the politically ambitious Marques de los Velez,

0:51:550:51:59

Governor of Oran,

0:51:590:52:01

saw an opportunity to bolster his position in the Spanish Court.

0:52:010:52:05

He knew that any move against the Jews would be popular

0:52:060:52:09

with the Catholic monarchy, and powerful Inquisition.

0:52:090:52:14

The theme that goes throughout this document

0:52:150:52:18

is the usefulness of the Jew - "What is their usefulness?"

0:52:180:52:21

-Yeah.

-And the language is...

0:52:210:52:22

is quite shocking, really. It's, um...

0:52:220:52:25

At every opportunity, there's a negative term

0:52:250:52:30

applied to the Jewish people.

0:52:300:52:32

This one here...

0:52:320:52:33

"The bad weed that grows in the wheat field

0:52:330:52:37

"which Satan had introduced there to Oran,

0:52:370:52:41

"a stain which had spread so much and which is of dangerous contagion,

0:52:410:52:45

"not only to the faithful Christians..."

0:52:450:52:47

"..but also for these kingdoms."

0:52:490:52:51

The Marques advised the Spanish Court that the small Jewish Community of Oran

0:52:530:52:57

no longer served any valuable purpose.

0:52:570:53:01

Their expulsion was recommended.

0:53:020:53:04

De Marques is saying to the Spanish Court, "This must be done secretly,

0:53:070:53:10

"the Jews mustn't find out what's going to happen

0:53:100:53:13

"in case they run rings round us and cause some revolt."

0:53:130:53:15

-Uprising.

-Uprising, yeah.

-Yes, there's a lovely word.

0:53:150:53:18

And then the big day comes,

0:53:180:53:20

and then the actual expulsion is read out.

0:53:200:53:24

"As the last words of this Catholic and holy edict were delivered,

0:53:240:53:28

"the unhappy ones against whom the proclamation had been made,

0:53:280:53:31

"of which there were many present,

0:53:310:53:33

-"being left both sad, disheartened and confused."

-Oh.

0:53:330:53:37

I think we can really glimpse,

0:53:370:53:40

you know, even the person writing it can see

0:53:400:53:42

that this must have been a terrible moment for them.

0:53:420:53:45

Yeah. And amongst these are Isaque and Abraham.

0:53:450:53:49

-And Abraham.

-Mm.

0:53:490:53:51

Because the arrangement is that they are given eight days

0:53:510:53:55

in which to tidy everything up, settle their affairs, and leave.

0:53:550:53:59

They're not just taken in the night.

0:53:590:54:01

-No, they're not just taken in the night.

-Off to a concentration camp.

0:54:010:54:05

-They do have a week.

-And the arrangement, they...

-And they're leaving their houses?

0:54:050:54:09

They're leaving their houses, the place that they've been settled in, some of them for 150 years.

0:54:090:54:14

-Yes. It's not...

-It's a big thing.

0:54:140:54:16

On the 16th April 1669,

0:54:160:54:20

the expulsion of the Jews from the city began.

0:54:200:54:23

Summoned in secret by the Marques,

0:54:230:54:26

a small fleet of ships lay anchored off the shore below the town.

0:54:260:54:30

Among them, a single 500-ton vessel

0:54:300:54:33

he deemed large enough to hold all the Jewish people of Oran.

0:54:330:54:37

The Marques readied his men at the gates of the Jewish Quarter,

0:54:380:54:42

and ordered the Jews to leave their homes.

0:54:420:54:46

"So now Abraham and Isaque are going to be coming out of their house,

0:54:460:54:50

"they were ordered to leave the said Jewish Quarter,

0:54:500:54:53

"which was their greatest pain and sorrow.

0:54:530:54:55

"And at the appropriate time, the march began down to find where the ships were...

0:54:550:55:00

"the Vanguard occupied by beautiful horses accompanied by drums

0:55:000:55:03

"and trumpets, symbolising in form, the dignity of the illustrious

0:55:030:55:07

"and loyal city of Oran, and in the middle was the standard of the holy court of the Inquisition."

0:55:070:55:12

These were all Spanish people who were having the bands and the...?

0:55:120:55:15

Exactly, it's all this pomp and ceremony, it's like an old boys' club.

0:55:150:55:19

The Jews followed behind, terrible thing.

0:55:190:55:21

-If you imagine it yourself what it would be like...

-Exactly.

0:55:210:55:24

Leave everything behind, and you don't know where you're going.

0:55:240:55:28

"And then the most excellent lord Marques led them down whereupon they

0:55:280:55:32

"reached the beach, though they were laden with clothes and furniture,

0:55:320:55:36

"which they sold with greater avarice, he says wishing to take away the money."

0:55:360:55:41

-So they were selling this on the beaches?

-It sounds like that.

0:55:410:55:46

-Like a garage sale?

-Yes.

-These were the small things they couldn't take with them.

0:55:460:55:50

This is their actual possessions. So we're getting a picture of quite...

0:55:500:55:54

It's quite a scene, isn't it, of everybody going down there, and it says here it took all day long.

0:55:550:56:01

They're being received aboard, 466 people. It says...

0:56:010:56:05

"His Excellency the Marques,

0:56:050:56:07

"though the passage of the Jews onto the ship took most of the day,

0:56:070:56:11

"remained at the spit of land by water without alighting,

0:56:110:56:14

"nor disbanding the squadron,

0:56:140:56:16

"until he saw that abhorrent people

0:56:160:56:18

"fully disembarked from the beach."

0:56:180:56:21

And we know that from Oran...

0:56:220:56:24

-Which was...

-Which is just...

-Somewhere around here.

0:56:260:56:28

-You can just see it there, I can barely see it.

-I can't see it.

0:56:280:56:31

There's an O-R-A-N,

0:56:310:56:32

if you go from the A of Barbary you go up a bit.

0:56:320:56:35

-This one, there's Oran.

-That's it.

-Right.

0:56:350:56:38

And then they were taken up to...

0:56:380:56:41

..Nice...

0:56:420:56:44

and they only allowed the richest people

0:56:440:56:48

to stay there,

0:56:480:56:50

and, er, 300 had... were not allowed to disembark,

0:56:500:56:54

and amongst those 300 were Abraham.

0:56:540:56:56

-Abraham and Isaque and their families.

-Exactly.

0:56:560:56:59

And they went on to...?

0:56:590:57:01

They went on to...

0:57:010:57:03

round the corner here,

0:57:030:57:06

it's got a G in those days,

0:57:060:57:08

-Ligorno, Livorno, in Italy.

-In Italy.

0:57:080:57:12

And that is where the next one I know,

0:57:130:57:16

Joseph, who was the son of Isaque,

0:57:160:57:19

lived and died,

0:57:190:57:22

and his son,

0:57:220:57:23

Abraham,

0:57:230:57:25

went to Amsterdam.

0:57:250:57:28

It's quite a story.

0:57:290:57:31

You talk about the wandering Jew and they seem to have wandered all the time.

0:57:410:57:45

They couldn't put down any roots, not really, because they were constantly

0:57:450:57:50

torn up and they had to move on,

0:57:500:57:52

and it must have been an exceedingly worrying life.

0:57:520:57:56

Belonging to the Sephardic tribe,

0:57:590:58:02

you know, I do think it maybe is the reason

0:58:020:58:06

why some collective consciousness,

0:58:060:58:09

some distant race memory

0:58:090:58:12

makes me think that I have to be settled.

0:58:120:58:15

I don't like being unsettled,

0:58:150:58:18

I don't like not knowing where I'm going or what I'm doing, or when.

0:58:180:58:22

I don't know whether it's just me and the way I was born

0:58:230:58:26

or whether there is something of a memory of being moved on.

0:58:260:58:29

I feel more connected...

0:58:310:58:34

..a consolidation, I think, of my Jewishness.

0:58:350:58:39

Like being a member of a family.

0:58:400:58:42

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