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Tracey Emin is one of Britain's most famous artists. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
For over 20 years, her work has shocked the world | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
as she explores her most private feelings of love, loss | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
and sexual adventure. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
Because I work within my art, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
because I work constantly going back to my own past, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
I thought it might be quite interesting to see | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
where the past actually came from. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
But now I'm really nervous about it and I'm not sure | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
if I'm doing the right thing. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:37 | |
The fact that I'm never going to have any children | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
means that I'm the end of my line. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
After me, I stop. I'm the last of my kind. There is no more. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
If when I find out that I come from the most loving, simple, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
ordinary, lovely suburban family | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
that anyone could ever want to come from, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
I think I'll go and slit my wrist! | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
-I think it will just drive me insane. I'd think how the -BLEEP? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
Oh, sorry. How the hell did that happen? | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
Tracey's art takes many different forms. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
Over the years, she's become as much a part of the spectacle as her work, | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
making her the "bad girl" of British art. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
Now at 48, Tracey's first major retrospective | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
has just opened in London. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
I'm at a really good point at the moment | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
and I have a massive museum show on at the Hayward Gallery. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
There's about 1,000 visitors a day going which is fantastic. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
For the first time in my life, I've had overall, really good reviews | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
and a lot of positive response about the work. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Tracey lives and works in Spitalfields in East London. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
She knows that her mother's roots are in the East End. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
But her father, Enver, who passed away last year, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
came from further afield. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
My dad's Turkish-Cypriot. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
His grandfather was from Africa, from the Sudan, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
he was a slave in the Ottoman Empire. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
He was given his freedom in Cyprus. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
That's as far as I can go back on my dad's side. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
But, on the other hand, my mum's family, I don't know anything | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
about them apart from the fact they come from the east end of London, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
and no-one volunteered information while growing up. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
You'd think a lot of people would say "Oh, your great-grandfather" or this or that, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
but there was never any information. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
My mum is so excited. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
She's beside herself because she doesn't know anything either. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
-Hi, Mum. -Hello, darling. -Quick, it's windy. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
-It's really windy out there. How are you? -Good, thanks, yeah. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
Tracey's mother, Pam, now lives in Kent. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
She's visiting Tracey to help her begin her search. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
-Do you want a cup of tea? -Love one. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
I've brought photographs along. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
That's a picture of Nanny May. I thought you'd like to see that one. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
That was Nanny when she was young. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
That's a brilliant photo. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
And Mum. Fantastic, she was. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
That must have been around in the '30s, I think, cos of what everybody's wearing. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
It's very beautifully dressed. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
-Mm. -Nanny had impeccable manners. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
-Mm. So does her daughter. -But not her granddaughter! | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
I don't know about her daughter's daughter! | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
But... | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
-that was you and Nanny. -Yeah, that's me, Nanny and a kitten. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
You two would spend hours together, wouldn't you? | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
You'd both lay in bed, she'd tell you little stories. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
You were very, very close. Very close to her. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
-But since I was a little girl I was very close. -Yes. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
I think you'll like this. This is your nan's dad. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
My grandad. Harry Hodgkins. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
He was lovely. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
That's in the summerhouse at the bottom of their garden. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
-It's a sweet little house. -Yeah. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
-I'd like to know what was inside that summerhouse. -There was all sorts of things. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
He had a little bit of a workshop one end, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
and Nanny had little chairs and... | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
where they used to have their cups of tea. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
-But where was it? -East Ham. -In East Ham still. -Yeah. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
Which is only about a mile and a half from here. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
-So I haven't gone very far, have I? -No. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
It took you how many years? 48 years? | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
48 years to come back to where I came from! Brilliant(!) | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
And this one, this is Grandad, Harry Hodgkins, and one of his sons. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:19 | |
-That's when he was much younger. -Oh, gosh, yeah. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Wow! He looks handsome there. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
-He was lovely, wasn't he? -Very dapper looking. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Mm. This is Grandad Harry Hodgkins' birth certificate. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
If you read it, they've named him "Henry". | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
So he was born on the 10th May, 1877 | 0:05:37 | 0:05:43 | |
at 100, Parnell Road, Bow. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
And his dad was Joseph Henry Hodgkins | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
and the mother was Susan Hodgkins, formerly Price. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:54 | |
But I'd like to know what they did for an occupation | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
and how they spent their time and how creative they were. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
The only thing I know about Grandad Harry Hodgkins, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
that he worked at Beckton Gasworks. That's all I know about him. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
-Right. Mysterious man. -Hmm. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
My mum might know more than she lets on. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
But I don't think that she does. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
My fear is that I'm opening up a can of worms | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
that I shouldn't have touched. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
I might be delving into something which doesn't need to be delved into. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
Tracey has traced her East End ancestry | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
back to her great-grandfather, Henry, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
and his parents, Joseph and Susan. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
We're in the East End now and I haven't gone very far from home. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
I've just gone up the road! So it's not much of a journey really. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Great-grandfather was born here, a mile away from where I live. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
I'm expecting East End, hard, gritty, 19th century poverty... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
you know, ten people living in one room somewhere, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
just round the corner from where I live. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Tracey's first stop is the local history library | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
in Tower Hamlets, East London. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
To find out more about Henry, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
she's meeting archivist Malcolm Barr-Hamilton. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
I've got my great-grandfather's birth certificate with me. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
OK, let's take a look. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
Henry Hodgkins, born 1877 in 100, Parnell Road in Bow. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:39 | |
-Shall we try... Have a look at the 1881 Census, see what we can find? -Yeah, OK. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
And we'll search a year or so either side. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
Ah, um, well... | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
There's no matches. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
It says there's no matches. The person's probably there somewhere | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
but for some reason, it's been mis-indexed | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
or the numerator's written the name down wrong. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
-We can go for a wild card search. -What's that? | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
Well, we can type in "Henry", | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
and we'll keep the "kins" but we'll put an asterisk first. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
-But you'll get thousands. -Ah, let's see. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
So we'll keep "1877" and "Bow", and let's see what we get. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
Ah. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:27 | |
We've got a Henry Hotchkins, spelled, H-O-T-C-H-K-I-N-S, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:33 | |
born about 1877, Bow, Middlesex. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
-That looks like our man. -Yeah, that's him, yeah, must be. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
Right, let's view the image. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
Here we've got him. Henry Hotchkins, age four. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:49 | |
He's there with various brothers and sisters | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
but they're described as "visitors". | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
They're living with Henry Price, Elizabeth Price. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
-That's their grandparents. -Is that... Let's have a look. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
Well, it must be because, um, er, Susan Hodgkins... | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
-was formerly Price. -Yes, that's them. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
-So I wonder why they didn't live together. -I wonder why? | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
Shall we try having a look for the 1891 Census, | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
see if we can pick him up on there? | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
Er, right. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
It's surprising how many "Henry Hodgkins" there are. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
This one's about the right date, 1878... | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
..and it's some sort of institution. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
It says "Kerrison Reformatory School" | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
and here we have "Inmate of Reformatory." | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
Sounds like borstal. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
Does sound a bit like that, doesn't it? | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
Sounds like something happened by which they're trying to change his character. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
How old is he here about? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:52 | |
"Age last birthday, 13." | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
It's difficult to see cos it's been crossed through. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
I feel really sorry for him now. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
It's in Thorndon in Suffolk. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
Sounds to me that this is a charity of some sort, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
-perhaps run by somebody called "Kerrison". -Kerrison. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
Yeah. Up in Suffolk. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
So it might not be as negative as it looks at first. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
It could actually be a good thing. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
It's the word "inmate" which is a bit scary. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
Yeah, that is a bit... Negative connotations, doesn't it? | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
-But maybe that was just the language of the time. -Oh, yes. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
I hope it isn't borstal, I really do. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
Are you going to take yourself off to Suffolk? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Yeah, to reformatory school! | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
I feel very protective over Henry, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
especially when I realised he was 13 in this reform school. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
So I'm hoping, fingers crossed, that it was actually sort of like an education establishment, | 0:10:55 | 0:11:01 | |
maybe some... this is in my wildest dreams, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
some rich patron plucked boys out of these desperate areas | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
that were intelligent and tried to give them an education, that's what I'm hoping. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
The photographs of my great-grandfather, Henry - | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
he looks incredibly smart and incredibly distinguished. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
So it seems like he did OK. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
He doesn't look like he come from like an East End slum. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
Tracey has travelled 70 miles to Ipswich. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
She's meeting archivist Louise Clarke at the Suffolk Records Office. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
I'm hoping you can help me find out about my great-grandfather, Henry. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
Well, perhaps if we just go back a little bit | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
and see why Henry ended up in a reformatory. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
We've got here a copy of a newspaper. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
It's from the Stratford Express, March 28th, 1891. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:01 | |
There's details here about Henry. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
"Henry Hodgkins, 13, of 12, Napper Road, East Ham, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:10 | |
"and Arthur Hodgkins, 11 of 13, Napper Road, brother", as well. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:16 | |
-Yeah. -"..were charged with..." | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
-What? -Er, that's "stealing". | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
Ohh! | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
The copy goes very bad but we do have a transcript here. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
Unfortunately, the brothers were accused of stealing. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
Um, so we're down to there. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
"Were charged with stealing | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
"since the 27th incident of an occupied house at number one, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
"Chamnon Terrace, Bonny Downs, two brass taps, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
"the property of Thomas Young..." | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Oh, it gets worse. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
"Prisoners were apprehended by Patrick Kelly..." | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
Good old Patrick. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
"..Prisoners' father, having given the lads a very bad character." | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
It sounds like the father didn't defend them or anything. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
I think that's probably right. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
"Mr Burton told him he seemed very anxious to get rid of the lads, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
"but he would have to pay for their support | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
"if they were sent to reformatory. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
"Henry Hodgkins was sentenced to ten days imprisonment, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
"and afterwards to be sent to a reformatory until the age of 16. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
"As the younger prisoner, Arthur seemed to have had acted | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
"under the influence of his older brother, he would be discharged." | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
So Henry actually went to prison for ten days. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
-He did. And that's quite common. -Would that have been an adult..? | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
Yeah, of course. It would be in an adult prison. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
So you can imagine a lad of 13, and actually you find lads | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
of only nine and ten being sent to the adult prison. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
Juvenile crime was considered an endemic problem | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
in mid-19th century Britain. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
And large pockets of what is now East London | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
were notorious for child crime. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
Until the late 1840s, no distinction was made between children and adults | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
by the criminal justice system. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
But as the number of child prisoners continued to increase, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
reaching over one third of the entire prison population, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
there was growing concern that mixing children with hardened criminals | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
would only lead to more criminality. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
In 1854, the Youthful Offenders Act stipulated that under 16-year-olds | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
convicted of a repeat offence could be sent to a reformatory school | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
after a short stint of up to 14 days in an adult prison. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
The Act established Child Reform in Britain's justice system. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:49 | |
The thing that really upsets me here is about Henry's father. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
-Hmm. -Er, where does it say, um... | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
"Prisoner's father, having given the lads a very bad character." | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
So he must have stood in court and said, "Away with them." | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
-It's quite a strange turn of phrase, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
You just wouldn't expect a parent to say that. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
But there was a strange thing. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
The children didn't live with their parents when they were small. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
We read that on the earlier Census. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
-Right. -So I feel quite... I mean, where was the mother, for example? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
From this, we can't tell. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
-Yeah. -Um, perhaps if we have a look a bit more about what happened | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
-to Henry in the reformatory. -OK. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
We have quite a lot of records here relating to the reformatory. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
So this is the Suffolk Reformatory admissions register, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
and it is indexed so have a look and see if we can find Henry. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
Now, where is he then? Yeah, he's here, right at the top. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
If we go through and look for folio 43. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
Henry Hodgkins. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
-And this is what his character is and previous convictions, as well. -That's right. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
-So we've got, um, "read and write imperfectly". -Yeah. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Whatever that means. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
And, um, "one..." I can't read it... | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
"Once for stealing from a shop." | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
-It's "once he was birched". -Birched? | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
So that's "once birched for stealing from a shop." | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
That means he was whipped. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:22 | |
So previously he had had a run-in with the law. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
-Yeah. -And, yes, then we have his father. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
"Wall End, East Ham. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
"Four children. Dependant. Mother dead." | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
Oh! | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
-The mother's dead at this point, yeah. -So when did their mum die? | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
Well, we do have a copy of her death certificate. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
From that, we should be able to understand what happened to the family. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
I'm now hoping to God this is a natural death. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
Let's see. "15th November, 1890". | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
So 1890. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
-It was only a few months... -Before he stole the taps. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
"Wife of Joseph Henry." | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
And then we've got the cause of death. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
She had a collapse, and that says "postpartum haemorrhage." | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
-So she was having another baby? -She died... -Giving birth. -Yeah. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
In childbirth. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
The other thing which I find really shocking is could you imagine | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
if now two little boys, 13 and 11, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
did a crime like that after their mum had just died giving birth. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
They'd never be sent away. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
Life was obviously very hard at that point. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
I feel really sorry for him though. Poor little thing. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
I've learnt more bad news. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
It's actually gone from bad to very, very bad. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
My great-granddad, Henry, he was caught stealing two taps | 0:17:52 | 0:17:58 | |
with his brother, but this was only three months after... | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
three or four months after his mother had died in childbirth. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
Um, their dad doesn't seem like a very nice character, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
doesn't seem to be very caring, and it wouldn't surprise me at all | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
if the father hadn't put them up to it in the first place. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
It all sounds a bit Fagin, a bit East End Fagin. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
Tracey is on her way to the reformatory school | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
Henry was sent to in 1891 when he was 13 years old. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
It's an hour's drive from Ipswich in the heart of the Suffolk countryside. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
It occurred to me how amazing it must have been for him. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
I know what the countryside is. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
But he must have never have seen it before in his life | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
and it just must have been shocking for him | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
to see this vast amount of openness and sky and space and everything | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
compared to the density of like East End Victorian London. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
Please God, let something positive happen today | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
cos it's been so sad so far. It's just got worse and worse and worse. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
Hundreds of boys from all over the south east of England | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
were sent to Kerrison Reformatory. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
Reformatories lasted until the 1920s | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
when they were turned into approved schools for young offenders. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
Today, the original building still stands, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
but is now a conference centre. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Tracey is meeting Doctor Lawrence Goldman, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
who's been looking into Henry's case. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
Well, Tracey, here we've got some documents | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
concerning the Kerrison Reformatory where your great-grandfather, Henry, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:44 | |
was based for three years, | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
between the ages of 13 and 16. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
You can see here some photographs of the boys in Kerrison. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:57 | |
We're not quite sure of the date of this one... | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
and of the boys working in the fields. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
It's fantastic, the difference between coming from the East End | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
and then coming here, just for me - | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
coming from the East End coming into the countryside. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
He might not have been feeling fear. It might have been | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
more of a positive thing, that good things were going to happen. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
I would hope so. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:18 | |
And that was the theory of it, that good things would happen. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
That you'd take the children away from the vice of the city | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
and give them a chance in the fresh air. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
Reformatories were originally established in France | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
and came to Britain in the 1840s. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
Many were funded by local philanthropists | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
who paid for the building of around 65 reformatories across Britain. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
Created as a radical alternative to prison for under 16-year-old | 0:20:45 | 0:20:50 | |
boys and girls, they were described as "moral hospitals" | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
and focused on teaching agricultural skills to wayward children | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
from inner city backgrounds. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
The children were also given daily classes in reading, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
writing and arithmetic. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
There is a good document here, which is from a newspaper report of 1893, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:21 | |
which is actually whilst he's still here. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
A little report on what it was like in the Kerrison Reformatory. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
"There are 79 boys in this school today." | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
-So they're calling it a "school" which is nice. -Mm. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
Cos my fear before was that it was more like a borstal or like a punishment centre. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
But now I understand, it totally is to... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
someone says these boys aren't bad. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
-Everything bad has happened to them but these boys have hope. -Yeah. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
So it's good. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:47 | |
"All are in good health and look bright and thriving. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
"The lads behaved extremely well. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
"I'm glad to be able to report a steady progress. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
"The handwriting is very good. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
"Arithmetic is very well done. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:03 | |
"There was excellent order and a good tone generally among boys." | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
But he got, apparently, three hours of education a day. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
Which is probably more than he would have had back home. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
It's probably more than I had! | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
Henry's reformatory was founded in 1856 by Sir Edward Kerrison, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
a wealthy local estate owner and philanthropist who lived nearby. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
Kerrison's provided pupils with a farm in the school's grounds | 0:22:30 | 0:22:36 | |
so that they could learn to look after animals. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
Each of the boys also had their own garden plot to tend. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
-It wasn't all good because we've also got the punishment report book... -Oh, no! | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
..I'm afraid to say! | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
You can see here names, er, and the offence... | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
"Lying." | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
..and the punishment. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
-It's eight cuts with the cane. -Cuts? Aw! -Yeah. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
One lad I'm afraid, "pilfering other boys' pockets..." | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
-Got "48 hours in a cell." -In a cell. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
Wow! 48 hours in a cell. I wonder what the cell was like. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
There were cells here. I don't think he was taken to prison. But it tells you... | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
-Where's Henry? -I'm glad to say that Henry doesn't appear... | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
-Yay! Good! -..for the three years he's here. As far as we can see, when he was here, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
he was a good boy. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
Are you interested now in thinking about what happens to them, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
er, as they move on in life? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Actually, we've got some of these admissions and discharge records | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
of some youngsters who were here. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
-But you haven't got... -Oh, yes, we have. -Have you? Oh, brilliant. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
Oh, yes, we have actually. Oh, yes. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
And you can see some interesting examples here. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
Boys from reformatory, some would go into the services, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
but many went into the navy, some into the army and so forth. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
This is a boy called Albert Lewis. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
"This lad stayed for some weeks after his term of detention." | 0:23:54 | 0:23:58 | |
He was being referred to emigrate to Canada... | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
That's right. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
But his father didn't want him to go. His dad wanted him to go back to Holloway. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
But if we read on, for 1894, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
something rather interesting has happened, about 18 months later. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
"Report from the commissionaire of the police added in December, 1894" | 0:24:14 | 0:24:19 | |
that he actually... this guy, Albert, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
actually didn't go back to Holloway, he actually went to Canada. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
Yeah. So it looks like, some months later, he did make it to Canada, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
even though he went back to London first. Nearly 10,000 children | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
who were in reformatories from the 1850s up to the First World War | 0:24:33 | 0:24:39 | |
were sent to Canada to go out and farm and work there. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
So this was quite common. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
In the late 19th century, Canada was a dominion of the British Empire. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
The Government was desperate to attract immigrants who could turn | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
the vast empty prairies into farmland. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
Henry, and the thousands of other boys and girls | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
who'd been educated at reformatory schools, were ideal candidates | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
because of their new-found skills in agriculture and working the land. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
Canada offered the chance for many children from deprived backgrounds | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
to start a new life overseas. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
Between 1870 and 1925, around 80,000 young people were shipped to Canada | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
to work as labourers or servants to wealthy families. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
Many of them were under 14 years old. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
Some as young as nine. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
In some cases, children were sent by the Government to Canada | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
without their parents' consent. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
And now we come to your great-grandfather. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
-His page looks very little. -Well, these are just copies, I'm afraid. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
They're not the originals. | 0:25:57 | 0:25:58 | |
"And was sent home..." | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
"Was sent home to his father on 29th May." | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
"He had a wish to go to Canada but was..." | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
"..persuaded out of it by his friends." | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
-Mm. -Mm. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
That sounds like me! | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
I get persuaded by my friends all the time! | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
-Well... -But why was he persuaded? -Well, wish we knew. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
What friends? Who were these friends? | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
I suppose friends from back home. Friends from East Ham. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
-No, it sounds like his horrible, horrible father. -Yeah. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:33 | |
Well, do you want to read on? | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
-Yeah. -OK. Cos now we go into 1894, a year later. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
Yeah. "Report from the commissioner of police was," um... | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
"Arrested..." | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
Oh, no. Bloody hell. That's Henry, isn't it? | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
It is Henry. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
"..was arrested for burglary on 7th September, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
"sentenced to three months hard labour." | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
I can't read that. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:04 | |
"When arrested, he was..." | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
"..residing at number three..." | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
"Helman Road", East bloody Ham. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
I'm upset about that. Gets worse. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
Not fair. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
-What do you think? Perhaps he should have gone to Canada? -Definitely. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
-Yeah. -Mm. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
-That's not good. -Would have been a different story for everyone if he'd gone. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
I wouldn't be sitting here, would I? But it's not good. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
I want some good news. Everything gets worse and worse, doesn't it? | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
Mm. Yeah. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
I always thought the kind of devious side of my family | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
was on my dad's side, you know. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
But now it's looking like it's on my mother's side. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:54 | |
I don't...don't like it at all. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Well, yeah, maybe. I'm afraid to tell you | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
that three months hard labour meant going actually to an adult prison. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
Cos this of course, was a boys' reformatory. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
-Yeah. -And once you get to 16, it means adult prison. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
-So which prison did he go to, do you know? -Yeah. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
It's Chelmsford Prison. Not so far from here. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
But that's where he did three months of hard labour. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Oh, good news is I know where I'm going next now. I'm going to Chelmsford Prison! | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
It's terrible! | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
It's really bad. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
I'm disappointed, really disappointed | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
in what I found out today, cos I was hoping there was going to be a bit of light here. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
And the fact that someone's been given an opportunity for education, something fantastic | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
in the Victorian era, and to see that the other boys had done so well, gone to Canada, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
done this, done that, and the disappointment in Henry | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
that I'm feeling at the moment is quite devastating. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
But also his life, so sad. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
I think he had the most incredibly bad, awful upbringing. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
'I don't like Henry's father very much. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
'Intuitively, I feel that. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:15 | |
'And I think Henry could have done so much better | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
'if he wasn't influenced by him.' | 0:29:18 | 0:29:19 | |
Today, Chelmsford is still a men's prison. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
The building has barely changed since Henry was sent here in 1894. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:35 | |
Tracey is meeting Professor of Criminology, David Taylor, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
to discover what life was like for Henry behind bars. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
Well, Tracey, I've managed to unearth some documents | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
which relate to your great-grandfather, Henry Hodgkins, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
which I think you might find of some interest. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
This is the offence that he's been charged with... | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
Burglary. He breaks in at night. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
What did he take? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:07 | |
If you see here, he's got packets of cocoa, a violin and a bow, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
two concertinas, but also a purse and £4 in money. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:18 | |
Well, the violin's pretty interesting. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
It is. I'm not sure what market there was for second-hand violins | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
at the time, but it's a strange collection, isn't it? | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
But also, in my family, a lot of people play guitar. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
-Right, right. -And have played musical instruments. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
Maybe he actually wanted the violin to play. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
-He might well have done, yeah. -The £4 was quite a lot of money to steal. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
That is a lot of money, when a pound a week | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
was reckoned to be a good sum of money to support a family. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
And what would the hard labour have been, then? | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
Well, that's right. It can take various forms here. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
It could be the treadwheel. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
This looks like some barbaric torture. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
Well, absolutely. If you think of the treadwheel | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
-as a giant hamster's wheel... -Yeah. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
The wheel is set at a regular speed, it's going at 32 feet a minute | 0:31:04 | 0:31:10 | |
and the men are just walking on that, which they had to work on | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
for six hours a day. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
There we are, there's a similar shot and it was estimated | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
that each step was the equivalent of a three foot rise, which is huge. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:28 | |
And they have to do 8,640 feet in a day. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:33 | |
They had two stints. Three hours in the morning. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
At the end of that three hour stint, that's the equivalent | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
of climbing Ben Nevis, and you then had to do it again in the afternoon. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
Look at this chap here. He's obviously struggling... | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
-Yeah, he's slipping. -..to keep up. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
That sounds just like some sort of medieval punishment. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
It doesn't actually sound like productive work. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
It sounds like the... You know, you're really unlucky if you got that one. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
Late Victorians believed in prisons being punitive and deterrent. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:06 | |
It's supposed to put you off. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:07 | |
This is not an enjoyable experience. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
So hard labour, in one form or another, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
was meant to be precisely that. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
Hard labour was an everyday part of prison life in the 1890s. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:29 | |
And the majority of male prisoners would have endured it. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
It took various forms depending on which prison you were sent to. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
Inmates could be forced to smash rocks with a sledgehammer | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
for hours on end. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
Or turn a back-breaking crank machine thousands of times. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:52 | |
The treadwheel, which Henry experienced at Chelmsford Prison, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
was designed in 1818 by William Cubitt, | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
specifically as a form of punishment for prison inmates. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
As well as hard labour, Henry, along with his fellow inmates, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
were subject to what was known as "the separate system". | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
Prisoners were completely isolated from one another, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
to stop them forming any bonds. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
Even during the prison's church services, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:24 | |
they were not allowed to make eye contact with one another. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
These practices are known to have driven some inmates insane. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
What upset me was the fact that he ended up in prison | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
when so many other boys at the reform school | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
went and did really good things. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
And I was hoping that he would go off and do something good. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
It takes him a little longer to do it. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
If we look through Henry's career, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
as far as we know, he never offends again. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
His experience in prison is not going to be a happy one. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
That hard labour I've just described is tough. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
But he didn't commit suicide, he didn't go mad. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:12 | |
People went insane in prison. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
He came out, he didn't offend again. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
In fact, he settles down, doesn't he? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
-He marries. -Yeah. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:22 | |
-My mum told me that he was such a lovely, kind man. -Yes. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
But I don't think my mum ever knew that he was in prison | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
-or any of his past, you know. -Right. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
He must have kept that all to himself. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
Henry's three months in Chelmsford Prison | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
were the last he ever spent in jail. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
After prison, he returned to East Ham once more. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
Six years later, he married Sarah Davis | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
and worked for decades at the local gasworks. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
He stayed in the East End for the rest of his life | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
and died there at the age of 85. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
Before Tracey leaves, David has some more information relating to | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
another member of Tracey's family. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
We've talked a lot about Henry, but did you realise Henry | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
wasn't the only one of your forebears who was in prison, sadly? | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
-Oh, no! -But it might explain... | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
It might actually explain some of what we have been talking about. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
-Henry's father... -Joseph. -..was also... | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
Well, I didn't trust Joseph in the slightest. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Well, isn't that interesting, cos you knew nothing about this. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
Well, here he is, if I can find him, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
here is another calendar of prisoners. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
And here's Joseph Hodgkins, a labourer, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
who has stolen 8cwt of fertiliser, sulphate of ammonia. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:54 | |
He sold it to a farmer and for that, he gets 12 months hard labour. | 0:35:54 | 0:36:02 | |
But this is 1881? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:03 | |
-Yes. -But that's when that Census first came. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
That's when the second Census was there | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
-and that's when the children lived with the grandparents. -Right. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
So we've got an explanation, haven't we? | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
-Yeah. The dad wasn't there. -So Joseph is not there... -Where's Mum? | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
Well, in fact, we have the Census returns which show... | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
quite difficult to read... but Susan is down here. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
She has gone to live with her brother. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
So what's happened is the main breadwinner is in prison, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
no welfare state, so the burden of supporting the family | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
has been shared out. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
-So his wife takes the youngest son, Arthur... -Right. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
-..lives with her brother. -I knew there was something odd, but I couldn't understand | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
why Henry was living with his grandparents. Didn't make any sense at all. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
Joseph has obviously made quite a success of his life | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
cos he's a foreman at this factory. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
So he's obviously a position of some responsibility. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
But for whatever reason, he and a friend decide | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
to steal this fertiliser, and we're talking large quantities. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
I mean 8cwt, half a ton. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
As we saw in the calendar, he gets 12 months. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
-I mean, that's quite a heavy sentence. -At hard labour? | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
At hard labour. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
But I think that reflects the fact that he is a foreman. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
Here is a man who had a position of trust. He's breached that trust. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
I had a little bit of hope a little while ago, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
and now it turns out that it's not just my great-grandfather, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
it's also my great, great grandfather. Long line of petty... | 0:37:37 | 0:37:42 | |
Actually, this isn't petty theft. This is... | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
-It's a bit more substantial... -Yeah, exactly. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
But, yet again, as far as we know, he never offended again. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:54 | |
Here we have a copy of the relevant page | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
from the Census for 1881 which shows Joseph Hodgkins | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
to be a prisoner. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
"Joseph Hodgkins, prisoner, married, 32." | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
He's 32 years old and he's in Illshaw, Warwickshire. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:13 | |
So where did you tell me your ancestors came from? | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
I don't... My ancestors come from the East End of London. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
Well, apparently Joseph gives as his place of birth... | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
-As Illshaw, Warwickshire. -..Illshaw Heath in Warwickshire. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
I don't really understand it. It doesn't make sense at all. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
I'm from the East End and it's where I feel really at home. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
So I never would have imagined the middle of England | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
in all of my life, and if I end up in suburbia, I will go crazy. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:52 | |
I just think if I found myself in a cul-de-sac, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
a really nice, middle class area of Warwickshire, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
I'd just be going, "What's happening, | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
"I don't understand, I don't understand!" | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
Tracey is travelling to the birthplace | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
of her great, great-grandfather, Joseph Hodgkins. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
Illshaw Heath is a small village, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
20 miles from Warwick. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:25 | |
Tracey is meeting Paul Knight, a warden at St Patrick's Church | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
in the parish where Joseph was born. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
-Oh, hi. -Hello, Tracey, welcome to St Patrick's. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
-Do come in, we have something to show you. -Thank you. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
-I've brought the 1881 Census. -You've got the 1881 Census. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
-Good. So... -So my great-grandfather, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Henry's father, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
is here - Joseph Hodgkins. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
And it's said that he was born within this parish. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
-That's right. -I wondered if you had any documentation on that. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
At Illshaw Heath, yes. Shows his age as 32, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
which puts his birth round about 1849. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
Censuses are quite notorious for not having ages quite right. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:16 | |
So if we look a bit before then and try and find his baptism | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
in about 1848, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
that should show us his baptism here. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
Here's Hodgkins, there. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Oh, there it is, yes. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
-Joseph, son of Joseph and Anne Hodgkins of Illshaw Heath. -Right. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
And that Joseph was your great, great-grandfather. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
In this column is always the occupation of the father. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
Besom-maker. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
-A what? -Besom-maker. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
-What's that? -The only thing I can liken it to is a witch's broomstick. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
It was a bundle of twigs, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
tied round a stale. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
-So he made witches' broomsticks! -Runs in the family! | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
-Ha-ha! -So perhaps they made these besoms | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
and travelled about selling them around the countryside. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
-Right. -Rather like travelling salesmen. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
Look, but there's another besom-maker here, too. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
Yes. That's another part of the family - could have been cousins. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
That's Leticia, daughter of Charles and Harriet. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
Charles was also a besom-maker. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:20 | |
-Maybe the whole family were besom-makers. -Yes. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
-They could have been making them for the whole area, I suppose. -Yes. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
I wouldn't imagine you would have two lots of people doing this. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
And being in Illshaw Heath, they were probably neighbours. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
-I've never heard the word besom. It's a good word, isn't it? -It is. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
My family were besom-makers! | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
I'm absolutely thrilled and delighted | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
to know that my ancestors actually made something, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
which means they had their own craft, their own skill, cottage industry, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
they didn't work for someone else, they worked for themselves. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
And I kind of like that, because I work for myself. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
Tracey has traced her family back one more generation | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
to another Joseph Hodgkins, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
her great, great, great-grandfather. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
Tracey wants to know more about the life of the Hodgkins family | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
when they lived in Warwickshire. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
She's meeting social historian Simon Evans | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
in the nearby village of Tamworth. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
I've just come from Illshaw Heath and found out that, erm, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
my great, great, great-grandfather Joseph | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
and his parents were besom-makers. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
-Right. -Which is like broomsticks. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
-Yeah. -That's all I found out, really. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
And that they came from around here. So if you had more information... | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
I guess your Joseph is this one here, in the 1851 Census. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
This is an extract from the Census. That's him, there, besom-maker. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
Besom-maker, yeah. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
And these are all his children beneath it. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
Yes, so there's Joseph, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:08 | |
Ann, Thomas, Riley, and is that Charles? | 0:43:08 | 0:43:13 | |
I think it is, yes. And then over the pages, | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 | |
-there's one more, Joseph. -Joseph, yes. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
-Your great, great-grandfather. -Yeah. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
-My great-grandfather's, Henry's, father... -Yes. -Yes. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:24 | |
What struck me about this was that each of the children was born | 0:43:24 | 0:43:29 | |
in a different place. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
This looks like Worcester. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:32 | |
Worcester, Fakenham. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:33 | |
That's Worcester... | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
-Somewhere different, beginning with M. -Tamworth, that's a T. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
-But maybe he was travelling with the besoms. -Exactly. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
I've got some documents here - this is from the baptism register | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
for the same family, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
for the same period, and there's one of these entries for each child. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
-What about this one, then? Thomas, son of Joseph and Ann... -Yep. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:55 | |
-What does this say? -That says tramper. -What's a tramper? | 0:43:55 | 0:44:00 | |
Someone who tramps with their wares, moves around with their wares. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
A lot of people...a lot of small household goods were made | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
by families who then moved around selling them. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:10 | |
-That's what Gypsies do, it's called knocking. -Exactly. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:14 | |
You knock and you say, chamois leathers, dishcloths, or whatever. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
You know, you sell housewares. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
Now, he makes brooms, which is pretty houseware type of stuff. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
I think you're quite right. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:26 | |
What we've probably got is a family of Gypsies. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
Brilliant. Hee-hee! | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
-Gypsies?! -Yes, Gypsies. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
In this area, there was a very high Gypsy population. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
-Real Gypsies? -Yep. I've got some photographs here. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
We think of Gypsies as living in old, horse-drawn, wooden wagons. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
-Yeah. -But in fact they didn't come about until 1870-1880. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
Before that, travelling people and Gypsies were... | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
-tent-dwellers, so the chances... -Tents! | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
I knew you were going to say that! | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
-It's come back to haunt you, Tracey. -Yeah! | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
This is where it's come from! | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
-It's brilliant! -Erm... And these are the kind of tents they lived in. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
Bit like a Native American tepee. It's got a fireplace and chimney. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
That is so beautiful. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
And you see they're living in woodland settings, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
which provides the raw materials for things like besoms and small crafts. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:20 | |
That is amazing. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
Here's another one of a woodland worker, besom-maker. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
-That is a besom-maker, isn't it? -Probably, this is the brush... | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
-Which is exactly what your great, great, great grandfather did. -Yeah! | 0:45:37 | 0:45:41 | |
The definition of the term Gypsy has always been contentious, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
and remains disputed today. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
In the late 19th century, | 0:45:54 | 0:45:55 | |
Gypsies were understood to be nomadic people, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
travelling in close-knit family groups and making an independent living | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
through trades such as tin-cutting, knife-sharpening and besom-making. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:07 | |
These Gypsy families would travel a circuit of countryside, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
pitching their tents in woodland clearings and washing in local rivers. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:17 | |
The best known of the travelling people are the Romany Gypsies. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:26 | |
They are believed to have migrated from India to Europe as early as the 11th century. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:31 | |
When they first came to Britain they were mistakenly believed to be Egyptians. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:39 | |
So this may have given rise to the term "Gypsy". | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
What you see in these old pictures that I like is that even though it's tent dwelling, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:50 | |
it's hard, it's a tough life for gypsies like Joseph, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
-but nevertheless, there's always this kind of... -Pride. -Exactly. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
And everything looks so tidy and so together and so... It's brilliant. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
I did say at the beginning of this, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
I wanted it to make some sense for me and now things make more sense. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:07 | |
It's a brilliant feeling. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant! | 0:47:07 | 0:47:10 | |
I'm so happy. I'm so happy about this information. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
It's excellent. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:17 | |
And that's the kind of romantic side of it, the freedom of the open road | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
and the wind on the heath and that sort of thing. But of course, life was tough and life was hard. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:26 | |
There were people living, particularly in the wintertime, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
when there was not much work to be done, you're living in your tent in the snow on the commons. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:35 | |
Young Joseph, even at an early age, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
probably as he was getting to puberty or just before, | 0:47:38 | 0:47:41 | |
nine, ten or 11, would be there working next to his father, | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
making brooms in the woods and doing all those sorts of things. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:49 | |
So yesterday I was really angry with Joseph and now I see how, | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
against adversity, they had to grow up and survive. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
It's the curious thing, cos although these people were an intrinsic, | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
an important part of the agricultural economy, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
-nevertheless, they were still seen... -As outsiders. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
-But they still are. -Exactly. And viewed with great suspicion. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
In 1817, for instance, the magistrate issued an order. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
All Gypsies should be rounded up and whipped. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
There was constant persecution by the authorities. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
As industrialisation took hold of Britain, | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
it became increasingly difficult for young Joseph's family to continue their travelling lifestyle. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:29 | |
Machines had made many of their handicraft skills redundant, | 0:48:30 | 0:48:35 | |
while their itinerant traditions came to be regarded as antiquated | 0:48:35 | 0:48:38 | |
and unhygienic by the emerging middle class. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
By the time Joseph reached adulthood, a series of laws had been enacted | 0:48:43 | 0:48:48 | |
that prohibited Gypsies from camping on commons and highways, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:53 | |
marking out anyone who did so as a rogue or vagabond. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
So have you got anything else? | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
Well, there's this marriage certificate of Joseph's. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
Right, Joseph Henry Hodgkins. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
-This is my great-grandfather's father? -Yes. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
And he marries Susan Amelia Price. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
And so this is Henry Hodgkins' parents | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
and they've got married in, in London. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
Indeed. In the parish of Bethnal Green and he was living... | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
Morpeth Street? | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
Yes. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:26 | |
-And she was living at 10 Morpeth Street. -Yeah. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
So he didn't marry a travelling person, then? | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
No. And neither is he still here. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
Yeah, he's moved, he's gone to Bethnal Green. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
So he was, in a sense, going into a completely alien world. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
So that would be very, very difficult. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
So why did he leave? | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
That's a question. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:48 | |
Who knows? Maybe he had to make a choice between one or the other. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
Well, the irony is that I'm actually standing | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
in the middle of a field in the countryside, but it's good. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
I'm a gypsy. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:05 | |
But proper, proper gypsy. Beautiful gypsies. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
Tents, travelling, broom-making, creative people. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:14 | |
So, I'm delighted, I'm really, really pleased. Couldn't be better. | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
And it turns out that Joseph, | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
my great-great grandfather, came from this tight-knit travelling community, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
this nomadic people who lived in tents, you know? | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
That's how he grew up, that was his background. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
And to go from this to go to the squalor of the East End, | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
Victorian London, it must have been hell, absolute hell. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
So, I need to know why they left it. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:46 | |
Their, you know, way of life. | 0:50:46 | 0:50:48 | |
Was he ostracised from his family or something, | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
from his gypsy family? | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
What was it that made him move? | 0:50:52 | 0:50:53 | |
Before Tracey leaves Warwickshire, | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
she's heading to Warwick Records Office | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
to meet gypsy expert Eric Trudgill. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
For the past few years Eric has been researching | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
gypsy genealogy across the UK. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:11 | |
So, Eric, yesterday I was given this. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
It's the marriage certificate of Joseph Henry Hodgkins | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
to Susan Amelia Price and the really interesting thing for me | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
is that he gets married in Bethnal Green. So for me, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
I'm kind of very confused about the leap | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
from the besom-making gypsies and the travelling. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
Why would he go to Bethnal Green? What would have sent him there? | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
He's come a long way from home, that in itself is very interesting. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
He's put a big distance | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
between himself and his family, geographically. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:43 | |
He's lying about his profession - | 0:51:43 | 0:51:44 | |
he calls himself an engine driver - | 0:51:44 | 0:51:46 | |
but he also lies about his father. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
If you looked without knowing he was a gypsy, you wouldn't guess. | 0:51:49 | 0:51:52 | |
You'd assume he was non-gypsy, a gorger. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
This is not gypsy-like behaviour. Family is so important to gypsies. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
And loyalty as well. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
Absolutely. It's families against the world. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
It's almost the gypsy nation against the world | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
because they were victimised, likely to face hostility. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
This guy is not just leaving his family by a big distance, | 0:52:08 | 0:52:11 | |
he's actually abandoning them. I bet he never went back. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:15 | |
And he's ashamed as well. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:16 | |
I think so. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:18 | |
He certainly, I would guess, | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
didn't tell his offspring that he was a gypsy. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
No. I mean, nobody in my family knew. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
So my grandmother didn't know, that's for sure. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
He was obviously lying to everybody. Quite sad. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
We could ask him. Do you want to have a look at him? | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
-You've got a photograph? -Yeah. There he is. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
Wow! | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
How old would he have been there? | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
Well, he looks pretty ancient, doesn't he? | 0:52:46 | 0:52:48 | |
He lived to be 82. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:50 | |
-And who are these people, then? -We don't know. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
-These could actually be... -Oh, they're family, I would think. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
-Yeah, this could be my grandmother. -Could be, yeah. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
My nan had three sisters and there's four girls here. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
So it is possible, isn't it? | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
Eric has one final document he wants to show Tracey. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
So where you taking me to, Eric? | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
-Here. -Here? | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
I'm going to show you something. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:23 | |
This. But you're going to have to help me. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:25 | |
Right. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:26 | |
You hold that and then walk backwards... | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
and look at your family tree. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
Wow! | 0:53:33 | 0:53:34 | |
Eric has traced Tracey's travelling ancestors back three generations, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
from her great-great-grandfather Joseph. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
Oh, my God! That's not short, is it? | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
I'm speechless, actually, that's what I am. For a change. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:04 | |
It's clear from the 1820s that your Hodgkins | 0:54:10 | 0:54:15 | |
are marrying into pretty elite Romany families. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:19 | |
So that down here, for example, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
you've got Hesther marrying Thomas Boswell. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
The Boswell clan were famous | 0:54:25 | 0:54:26 | |
and they commanded respect amongst other gypsies. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
What would an elite gypsy family be? What would make them elite? | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
Birth, partly. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:35 | |
Language, that their Romany would be better than non-Romany gypsies, | 0:54:35 | 0:54:39 | |
who would only have a few words in most cases, probably. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
Often wealth, often power. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
Sometimes if you had a lot of sons then people didn't mess with you. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
-You had respect. -Yeah. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
But I think more important than almost anything was breeding. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
If you were from an old family like the Boswells, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
and certain branches of the Smiths, Bucklands and Lees. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
And the Hodgkins as well? | 0:54:59 | 0:55:00 | |
The Hodgkins weren't really a very old family... | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
Then what made them able to marry well? | 0:55:03 | 0:55:05 | |
Were they all really sexy? | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
All really good looking, that's what it was! | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
-There must have been something. -And had really good parties, yeah? | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
There must have been a reason that they got absorbed into major ones. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
So this is the Joseph that comes to London | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
and had nothing to do with his gypsy heritage? | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
Yeah. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
And marries Amelia Price? | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
But when you come from this long line of gypsies, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
-and then you change your mind here... -Yeah. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
You see, something really big must have gone on. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
Joseph wasn't the only person to leave | 0:55:39 | 0:55:42 | |
the traditional gypsy stomping ground of the countryside. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:45 | |
Many travelling people were being drawn | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
to Britain's growing cities and their economic opportunities. | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
In 1880, there was believed to be 2,000 gypsies | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
camping in settlements across London, particularly in Notting Hill | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
in the west, Wandsworth in the south and Hackney in the east. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:06 | |
In some cases, whole families moved to the city, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
but it appears that Joseph came alone. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:14 | |
Living mainly in tents and caravans, these migrants to the city | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
would survive by plying their original trades. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
They would also supplement their incomes | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
by picking up casual work | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
on the emerging canal and railway building projects in the capital. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
By the end of the 19th century, this kind of employment | 0:56:31 | 0:56:35 | |
would have absorbed many travelling people like Joseph all year round. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:39 | |
This is absolutely fascinating. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:44 | |
For me, it explains a lot of my ways or things, | 0:56:44 | 0:56:49 | |
intuitive things in me, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:50 | |
which I never understood before, or there wasn't an explanation. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
I feel, looking at this, there is an explanation. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
And the fact that I've come from this really amazing family, | 0:56:57 | 0:57:01 | |
makes me feel a much better person. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
-You feel you've come home? -Yeah, I feel good. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
There is no indication that after Joseph left Warwickshire | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
he ever saw his gypsy family again. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
Joseph died in London at the age of 82. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
Before she leaves, | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
Tracey is going to visit a special spot that Eric has told her about. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
Tinkers Lane is where Joseph lived with his siblings and parents | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
before putting his travelling life behind him for good. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
Kind of place that I do actually find very beautiful | 0:57:44 | 0:57:46 | |
and very restful and very peaceful, and the idea of leaving here | 0:57:46 | 0:57:49 | |
and going to the East End right now, for me, is not even good, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:53 | |
let alone how Joseph must have felt when he ran away. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
I mean, I suppose a lot of people go on this kind of journey hoping | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
that they're going to be related to King Arthur or something. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
I'm really, really, really happy | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
to be related to that massive Hodgkins gypsy clan. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
I wish we weren't leaving. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
That's all. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:22 | |
I wish we were staying. | 0:58:23 | 0:58:24 | |
It feels nice. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:28 | |
That's all. | 0:58:31 | 0:58:32 | |
Yeah, finish there, otherwise I'll cry. I don't want to cry. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 |