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Back step, toe, heel, wait... | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
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Dancer Len Goodman is known to millions as the lead judge | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
on the BBC's Strictly Come Dancing. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
Now we point. Go. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
'There's more tension' | 0:00:21 | 0:00:22 | |
in this room than there was in my nan's knicker elastic. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
It's absolutely incredible. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
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'I left school when I was 15 and in those days,' | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
you had to have a trade. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:33 | |
So I was a welder and I was terrible. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
A mate of mine used to go ballroom dancing. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
I used to take the mickey rotten. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
He said, "Len, come up there. It's full of girls | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
"and virtually no boys. It's heaven." | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
So up I went. And I loved it. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Len found fame late in life after a successful 30-year career | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
running his own dance school. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
What is fascinating about looking back on your personal history | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
is the fact that I know nothing about anything, really. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
'When you're young, when you're 20, who gives a monkey's armpit about it? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
'If I'd been worried, I'd have asked my grandad, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
'who his grandad was and so on. But you don't | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
'because it's of no consequence. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
'It's as you get older and there's not too much future | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
'that you want to know more about your past.' | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
Before I pop me clogs, I'm 66 years old, I want to know a little bit. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
We go right down Roman Road and then we do a left | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
and go up past Victoria Park. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:06 | |
Len Goodman has fond memories of his early childhood | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
in Bethnal Green in the East End of London. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
This is typical of where I grew up. Just one huge row of terraced houses. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:23 | |
All the kids were playing in every other kid's house. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
Doors were never locked. It was lovely, a true community. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
After his parents separated when he was a child, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
Len and his mother spent much of their time with her parents, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
Albert and Louisa Eldridge. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
So originally my grandad had a shop just here | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
and he used to have a barrow and he used to wheel it | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
to Spitalfields, a mile and a half, maybe even two miles, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
load up, I used to sit on the barrow, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
I was just a little nipper. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
And he'd be pulling this barrow full of blooming vegetables | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
and we'd get to here and he'd say, "Come on, son. Let's stop." | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
And we'd go into Pellicci's and have a bacon sandwich and a cup of tea. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
Me and me old grandad. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
This is where all my family lived, worked, died. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:19 | |
This is my area. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:20 | |
This is home to me. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
Both Len's parents have passed away | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
and his only remaining connection to his Bethnal Green past | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
is his stepmother, Irene. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
'Renie's 93 and she's still got all her marbles | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
'and my son's going to be there, James, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
'so we've got my link with the past and my link with the future.' | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
-Here I am. -Len! How are you? | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
-I'm lovely. -Lovely to see you. James is in here. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
-Lovely. -Come and see him. -Come on then. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
We've got these first few pictures which I know are of you, Dad. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
-Oh, yes. -I'm with my mum. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
-So I'd be about nine months old there, I suppose. -Yes, you would. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
So that would be just before the end of the war. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
-Little shoes on, look. -Yeah, little ankle straps. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
Look at me old mum. Bless her heart. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
Len's mother was Louisa Eldridge. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
She was one of five children who were all born in Bethnal Green. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
-I have no idea what this is. -Show us. I'll probably... | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
-A market man. -Oh, yes! | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
That's my Grandad Eldridge! That's Albert! | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
Look at him, young, with his cheese cutter hat on, come on! | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
It's a beauty. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:35 | |
On his stall, just serving. Look at that. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
So this was before they had a shop. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
He was the one who used to take me down to Spitalfields on the barrow. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:44 | |
That's great, innit? Look at him, young. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
-They're lovely, those old photos. -Whole life ahead of him. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
-Look how good-looking he is there. -Yeah, he is a good-looking bloke. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
They were quite a good-looking family, wasn't they? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
That's where I get it from I suppose. It's got to come from somewhere. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
Right, now we've got this picture. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
And that's me nan! | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
-That's Nanny Eldridge. -Is it really?! | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
Well, I've never seen... I'm pretty sure that's Nanny Eldridge. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
It's got writing on the back, Len. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
-"Nanny, Louisa". -Oh, yes! | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
Yeah. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
That's the only photo I've ever seen of Nanny Eldridge. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
-I can imagine. -Because she died very young. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
-And she's not that kind of a woman to have photos taken. -No. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
I don't know how Granddad Eldridge met me grandma. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
-Do you? -No. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
I don't know how they met or where they could have met. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
-They both come from Bethnal Green I should imagine. -Yeah. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
-We've got something else as well here. -Now, what's this? | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
It's a certificate of marriage. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Yeah, but who between? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:51 | |
This is a certificate of marriage... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
dated August 1909... | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
Well, I never. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
..between Albert Eldridge, me grandad and Louisa Sosnowski, me grandma. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
How old were they then? | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
Albert was 27 and Louisa was 23. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
And he was a greengrocer | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
and Nanny Lou was a fancy box maker. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
Well I never! | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
There you are. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
Father's name... Here we go. Now this is even better. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
Albert Eldridge, my grandfather, his father...Thomas Eldridge. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:34 | |
-Now, have you ever heard of him? -No. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
-Have you, Len? -No. -Neither have I. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
So really, what we've got to do now is find out | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
a little bit if we can about Thomas Eldridge. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
-And, James, I want you on the old machine there. -Absolutely. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
You can sort this out for us. That's our next job. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
Find out who Thomas Eldridge was. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
Len has traced his mother's side back three generations | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
to his great grandfather, Thomas Eldridge. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
To try to go back further, | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Len and James need to search through the census records. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
First off, in here, we'd need to put... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
-Thomas. -Thomas. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
-Eldridge. -Lovely. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:18 | |
-Come on. -Right, search. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
See, now, if I'd been doing this, it would have taken 20 minutes. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
I know. But you knew where the shift key was. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
-I know where the shift is. -Searching... | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
Come on, machine! | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
Here we go. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
There is Thomas. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:36 | |
-Now that's my great grandfather. -Yes. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
OK. So we've found Thomas Eldridge. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
And he was a bricklayer. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
-Yes. -His wife was Jane and then the kids... | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
-William, Albert, that's my grandad. -Henry, another son. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
It's incredible. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
They had eight kids. This is what you got when there was no TV or radio! | 0:07:53 | 0:07:59 | |
-Now, they're living... Ames Street, I suppose in Bethnal Green. -Yeah. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
Bethnal Green. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:05 | |
To continue their search, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
they've ordered up the marriage certificate of Thomas Eldridge. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:11 | |
Thomas Eldridge and Jane. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Father's name, James Eldridge. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
-And he was a bricklayer. -He was a bricklayer. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
So we want to look up James now. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Yeah. So we're going now to 1861. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
James Eldridge. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
And here we go. Bethnal Green. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
That's the one we're after. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
So we're looking for James... | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
James Eldridge! Here we go. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
So this would be my great-great-grandfather. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
Yes. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
James Eldridge. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
Again from Bethnal Green. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
They lived on Camden Street | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
and his wife here, Sarah, then there's one, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
two, three, four, five, six, seven eight, nine, ten... | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
11 children. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
That's incredible! The amount of kids! | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
11 kids, born virtually one every year. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
-All the kids had to... -Mind you, they all had to work. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
He's 17, he's a bricklayer. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
16, he's a bricklayer. 15... Look, the 14-year-old. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
The 13-year-old is a shop boy. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
Even the nine-year-old. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
The only one who's not is the seven and under. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
The rest of them are all in work, from nine years old. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
So it's obvious that the Eldridge clan... | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
for the last 150 years at least... | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
-Have lived... -..in Bethnal Green. -Yeah. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Len now wants to find out what life was like | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
for his great-great-grandfather James and his 11 children. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
He's come to the London School of Economics in central London. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
He's meeting archivist Sue Donnelly | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
who looks after the Charles Booth Collection. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
Hi, nice to meet you. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
It's an archive that records living conditions in the capital | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
in the late 19th century, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
when James Eldridge was living in Bethnal Green. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
-Tell me who Charles Booth was exactly and what he did. -Right. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
I've heard of him but I always get him confused with the Salvation Army Booth. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
You're not the only one. Charles Booth was a 19th century businessman | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
who got very interested in why there was so much poverty in London, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
in effectively the richest city in the world. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
So he went out and he collected lots of information about rents, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
about wages, about sizes of families. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
And he then created these colour-coded maps | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
looking at each street | 0:10:37 | 0:10:38 | |
and working out the levels of poverty and wealth in different areas, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
what he called the social condition of an area. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
So what we have here is the Bethnal Green area in the late 19th century. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
And the thing to note from this coding at the bottom | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
is that red and pink are fairly affluent areas. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
And as you move into blues and dark blues and eventually black, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
the area and the street becomes poorer. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
And at this time, Bethnal Green was officially the poorest area. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:10 | |
-It was... -It was the poorest area. -Right. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
It had the densest population, both in terms of the numbers of people | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
who were crammed into individual houses | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
and the number of houses that were crammed onto the space available. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
Bethnal Green lies about two miles northeast of the City of London. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
It was once a rural retreat for wealthy Londoners | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
and was seen as an attractive escape | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
from the hustle and bustle of the city. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
But as London expanded in the 18th century, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
Bethnal Green's open spaces were swallowed up | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
by industry and housing. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
The construction of the railways in the 1840s | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
led to the demolition of thousands of houses, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
causing acute overcrowding. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
By the time James was living there, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
it was one of the most densely populated areas of Britain. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
It was not uncommon to have more than ten people living in one house. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:05 | |
So my great-great-grandfather was in Camden Street. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
Right, OK. So we've got Bethnal Green Road. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
I can see it here. Look, clear as a bell. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
And that's blue which according to your scale of poverty is pretty low. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
Yeah, Booth described it as being an area in a street | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
that was in chronic want. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
Chronic want. Well, that sums it all up, doesn't it? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
Not only are we in one of the poorest areas in London, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
we are in one of the most run-down and poorest streets | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
in the poorest area of London. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
Yes, absolutely. This is pretty much the bottom of the pile. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
Actually, we have got some photographs of the area | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
from about the same period. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
And when you look at the conditions that these people lived in | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
and you think of my great-great grandfather James with 11 children | 0:12:52 | 0:12:58 | |
and they're stuck in one of these tiny little houses, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
it's just amazing that anyone almost survived. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
-Yes. -Just terrible. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
-Life expectancy was very low. -Yeah. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
Particularly for children and older people. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
At the time James was living in Bethnal Green, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
life there was a struggle. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
One in every five babies died before they reached their first birthday. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
And for many of those that did survive, conditions were hard. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
Almost half of the population in Bethnal Green | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
lived below the subsistence level. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
Outbreaks of diseases like cholera | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
and smallpox added to the mounting difficulties faced by the locals. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:43 | |
We have another piece of research that relates | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
to your family's history from one of the local newspapers. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
This is the Eastern Argus and Borough of Hackney Times, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:56 | |
Saturday September 14th, 1889. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
"Suicide in Bethnal Green Road. Between death and the workhouse. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:06 | |
"Week in, week out, we have the melancholy duty | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
"to record sudden surprises of suicide mania in our very midst. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
"And a case took place in Bethnal Green Road this week. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
"On Sunday morning, Police Constable Garrard | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
"proceeded to number two Camden Street | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
"where he found a man hanging by the neck | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
"from the lintel of the door of the WC." | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
I can't read that. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
"The body was identified as that of James Eldridge, aged 69, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
"a widower, who had been well known in the parish | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
"where formerly he carried on business as a builder. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
"Competition and business reverses, however, appears | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
"to have reduced him to such a low ebb | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
"that it is alleged he was shortly to have become an inmate | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
"in the Bethnal Green workhouse." | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
It's bloody hopeless, innit? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
"And the fear of this step is thought to be the reason for his sacrificing his own life. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:12 | |
"The jury ultimately returned a verdict of suicide by hanging | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
"while in a state of temporary insanity." | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
So that was my great-great grandfather. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
Yeah. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:26 | |
So I suppose his wife had passed away, my great-great-grandmother. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:31 | |
He was living alone. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
His children are now married and struggling to keep their own families together. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:39 | |
-There's no pension. -He's worried about paying the rent. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
And he doesn't want to go into the workhouse. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Which is the only other option. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:46 | |
And there he is, virtually 70 years old and the only escape | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
is to tie a rope around the blooming outside toilet | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
and stand on a chair and... | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
You know, it's beyond sad. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
It's so... | 0:16:00 | 0:16:01 | |
terrible, really. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
It's so sad. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
My overriding feeling is one of sadness. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
The fact that Bethnal Green was the poorest area of London. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
There was no quality of life. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:22 | |
They were just struggling day in, day out just to put food on the table and feed their families. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:29 | |
And to realise that James Eldridge would prefer to commit suicide than go into a workhouse | 0:16:29 | 0:16:36 | |
makes me wonder how bad these workhouses were. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:41 | |
And really, that's what I would like to find out now. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
Exactly what a workhouse was and why everyone was so petrified to have to enter them. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:50 | |
Len has come to the Bishopsgate Institute in the East End of London | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
to see their archives on the history of workhouses. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
Helping Len is historian and geographer, David Green. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
Well, David, my great-great grandfather, James Eldridge, committed suicide | 0:17:08 | 0:17:14 | |
because of his fear of the workhouse. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
And I really want to know, what was the stigma about going into the workhouse? | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
You know, was it the shame of having to go, or was it the conditions in the workhouse? | 0:17:22 | 0:17:28 | |
Well it was both, really. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
If you were a respectable worker, making your own way in life, you would try to be independent | 0:17:30 | 0:17:36 | |
and you would not want to fall into the workhouse. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
I mean, many elderly people, perhaps as many as a third of elderly people, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:45 | |
ended up at some point in the workhouse. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
So it was the point where you could no longer work, there was nothing else for you outside, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
your children might have died, or moved away, or themselves been poor. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
That was what you had. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:57 | |
Victorian workhouses were set up by the Government and paid for by local ratepayers. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:05 | |
They provided somewhere to live for those who had no other means of support. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
The paupers who ended up there were made to do hard physical labour, like breaking up rocks | 0:18:09 | 0:18:15 | |
for up to ten hours a day. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
The Government was determined that the workhouse should not be seen as an easy option. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
It was designed to be a last resort. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
Although inmates were free to leave, most stayed because they had nowhere else to go. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
So James Eldridge committed suicide because he was frightened of the workhouse. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
Do you know if there was anybody in the family that had actually been in the workhouse? | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
No, but I do know the whole family had this morbid fear - the workhouse. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
There was always that threat, even when I was a young lad, if I did something, my mum would say, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:51 | |
"We'll all end up in the workhouse." | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
I can understand it, because you can trace through various documents that there is in fact a link. | 0:18:54 | 0:19:00 | |
Let me show you this, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
this is the marriage certificate of James Eldridge and Sarah Cecil. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:08 | |
And her father, John Cecil, was a weaver. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
He would almost certainly have been a silk weaver in this district, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
Bethnal Green was the centre of the silk weaving industry in London. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Right. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
And this is the death certificate of John Cecil. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
You can see his name there. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
So he would have been James Eldridge's father-in-law. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
My great-great-great-grandfather. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
That's right, and he died in 1866 and he died of asthma. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
-In the workhouse. -Right. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
Now that was a really awful fate. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
So James Eldridge's father-in-law had been in the workhouse and he may | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
have visited him there during the course of that time. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
And his fear might have been that he was going to do down the same road as John Cecil, end up dying | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
in the workhouse, and that must have been a terrible fear for him. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
That's right. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:58 | |
James Eldridge committed suicide 23 years after John Cecil died in the Bethnal Green workhouse. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:06 | |
Throughout that time, the fear of the workhouse loomed large for the people of London. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
Conditions in most workhouses hadn't improved. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
Bethnal Green workhouse was regarded as one of the worst in London. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
Conditions there were so bad that they prompted several investigations by health inspectors. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
In 1866, the Lancet a medical journal, carried out a series of investigations | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
into London workhouses, and one of their reports was on Bethnal Green. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
You can read what conditions were like when John Cecil died there in that year. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:44 | |
It says, "The patient was covered with filth and excoriated | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
"and the stench was masked by strewing dry chloride of lime on the floor under the bed. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
"A spectacle more saddening or more discreditable cannot be imagined." | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
So this is 1866, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
and that's exactly when John Cecil was in Bethnal Green workhouse. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:08 | |
So the chances are he's dying of asthma in exactly the same condition | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
as these poor people that they're writing about. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
Exactly. You can now understand James Eldridge, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
the fear that drove him to commit suicide | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
and must have impacted on his entire family around him. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
That image must have been common to all the children. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
And this was the trouble. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
Nowadays, if as you get older, your children tend to look after you | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
and get you into a nursing home or whatever. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
In those days, the children were so poor that they had no means of looking after their parents. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
I can well understand why my great-great-grandfather, at the age of 69, chose suicide | 0:21:53 | 0:22:00 | |
to the humiliation of having to go into a workhouse at his age. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
And the thought that the connection with the workhouse caused the death of two of my relatives | 0:22:06 | 0:22:12 | |
makes it even more poignant and sad. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
Len has discovered his family's connection to Bethnal Green goes back | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
to his great-great-great grandfather, John Cecil. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
Although many of his family were employed in manual labour, | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
he has discovered that John was a silk weaver. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
The thing that pleased me was the thought that my great-great-great-grandfather, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:39 | |
John Cecil, he started off as a weaver. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
You know, I never imagined that in Bethnal Green - | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
in one of the dirtiest and most deprived areas of London - | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
that such an art would be going on. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
For me, to be able to weave silk is truly an art. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
To find out more about John Cecil's life as a silk weaver, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Len has come to the Guildhall in the City of London. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
-Mr Goodman, I presume? -It is indeed. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
He's here to meet the Clerk of the Chamberlain's Court, Murray Craig. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
Well, I have found out that one of my ancestors, John Cecil, was a weaver. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:21 | |
And I had no idea that weaving went on in London particularly, especially in Bethnal Green. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:28 | |
So I'm hoping you can shed a little bit of light, maybe on John Cecil and the Guild of Weavers. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
You've certainly come to the right place, Len, because we have been able to delve into our archives | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
and our records and discover a couple of interesting things about John Cecil. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
Now, what would happen is, John would have got the freedom of the Weavers' Company | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
and then he would come across to Guildhall to receive the freedom of the city. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
Because of course, if you wanted to carry out your trade or your craft in the City of London, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
you would have to be a member of the guild and a Freeman of the city. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
Right. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
And here we have the minute book of the Worshipful Company of Weavers, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
from 1st December 1818 and, look, there is John Cecil. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
"John Cecil of 153 Brick Lane, Bethnal Green. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
"Weaver. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
"Son of Daniel Cecil of 40 St John's Street, Bethnal Green, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
"citizen and weaver, made free by..." | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
Patrimony. That's very important. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
Because he was actually made free by patrimony, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
which means his father was a Freeman of the city and a weaver. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
And, of course, in those days the son would follow the father's trade or occupation. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
I imagine the father would teach the son the skills | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
and the mysteries of the ancient art of weaving. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
So why was it so important to become a Freeman of the city? | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
Well, the freedom in essence, really, was the right to trade in the city. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
And potentially it was very lucrative, because you were being given trading rights | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
within the richest part of the kingdom, the City of London. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
But you also had to guarantee standards of excellence and quality | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
in the goods produced and the services provided. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
So members of the Bakers Company wouldn't give you stale bread, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
and the Vintners Company wouldn't give you sour wine, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
-the Weavers wouldn't give you cloth with holes in. -Kept the cowboys out! | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
-Victorian Trading Standards, or quality control. -Right! -Yes. Keeping the cowboys out! | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
When John Cecil became a Freeman of the City, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
and a Member of the Guild of Weavers at the age of 21, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
he was joining what had been a respected and lucrative profession. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
The Worshipful Company of Weavers is the oldest guild in the City. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
It was established in 1155. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
The guilds were like early trade unions, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
set up to protect their members. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
It was a way of regulating working hours, conditions, and wages. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:55 | |
At Guildhall, there would be a ceremony. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
An oath would be made and the young weavers, John included, | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
would have said "I so declare". | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
And at the ceremony, John would have received his Copy of Freedom, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
which looks like this. This is a parchment neatly rolled up | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
and this one is almost contemporaneous with John. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
They're the same today - the Freedom certificate barely changed. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
The coat of arms of the City, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
we have the Seal of the Chamberlain, which is faded. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
-The name of the king, the date, and these key details. -Right. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Now, in all probability, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
it would have been kept like this in a little pouch. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
As you can see - Copy of Freedom, City of London. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
-And the key thing, really, was it was portable. -Yes. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
You carry it about like a driving licence or passport, to prove your status as a Freeman. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
-So if somebody said, "What's going on here?" -"Prove that you're a Freeman." | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
-Old John would have got it out, "Have a look at this, sunshine." -Yes. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
So for somebody like John Cecil, who was plying his trade | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
in Brick Lane, Bethnal Green, to come up here and to enter | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
this lavish room... It must have been the most nerve-wracking experience, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
-I would imagine. -I'm sure it would have been, yes. Yes. -Marvellous, eh? | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
I can imagine, there's John and his father, Daniel, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
who's passed on all his knowledge to his son as a weaver, | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
up they've come from Brick Lane in Bethnal Green, up into the City. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:25 | |
And into the Guildhall and to become a Freeman of the City of London. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
How proud he must have been, not only John, but his dad. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
And what a thrill that all must have been. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
But what I would really like to find out, if it's possible, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
is how did John Cecil come from a 21-year-old | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
with his future ahead of him, his heart soaring with excitement, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:50 | |
to end up in absolute destitution, stuck in Bethnal Green workhouse. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
One of few places left in the country | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
where the tradition of silk weaving still exists is Sudbury in Suffolk. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
To try to finally unravel how John Cecil ended up in the workhouse, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
Len has come to Sudbury to meet Richard Humphries, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
a modern-day silk weaver | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
and an expert on the history of silk weaving. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
My ancestor, John Cecil, he's a weaver, he's 21 years old, | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
he's just been up to the Guildhall and got his Freedom of the City and so on. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:36 | |
And within a relative short time, 30 or 40 years, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:41 | |
he's gone from being a weaver to being in the workhouse. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
You know, can you shed any light on that? | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
I can indeed, yes. This is the will of John Cecil's father, Daniel. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:54 | |
This is Daniel Cecil's will. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
Now, he has a good innings - he lives until he's 83. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
He was a man of some wealth. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
Interestingly enough, he leaves two properties to John Cecil. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
In Bethnal Green. Which really ensures that John Cecil's got a good future ahead of him. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:15 | |
So there he is, Daniel Cecil passes away, his son, John, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:21 | |
takes over the business, basically. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
He does. He's a Freeman of the City. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
He actually can afford to take on weaving jobs | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
and you would have thought that things... | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
-Yeah, couldn't be rosier. -..would be good. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
Unfortunately, the trade is in decline. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
And slowly but surely, the trade moves away from Spitalfields | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
and journeyman weavers, which is what John Cecil was, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
would have been finding it more and more difficult to actually get work. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
By the time John Cecil turned 50 in 1847, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
he'd been carrying on a successful career in silk for 30 years. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
But the industry in east London was suffering from the effects | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
of a range of laws, called the Spitalfields Acts. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
These were designed to regulate the wages and working conditions | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
of weavers living within a 40-mile radius of London. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
In face, their effect was to paralyse the industry. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
To avoid this, weavers began to move out of London, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
to nearby towns, where they wouldn't be restricted by the Acts. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
The laws had brought about a steady decline of the silk-weaving industry in Bethnal Green. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:35 | |
So old John Cecil has got two properties that his dad has left him. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
-Yes. -That were set up to be weaving cottages. -Yes. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
We assume that he'd got weavers in those cottages, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
that he could no longer offer any work to. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
So they couldn't actually pay him any rent. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
And really, it's a poisoned chalice that he's got, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
because we see in this particular document that by 1855, | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
John Cecil is forced to sell his properties. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
He no longer can sustain them. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
He's not able to actually find even a job for himself. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
-And he's a Fellowship Porter. -A docker? | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
-He becomes a labourer on the docks? -He's a labourer on the docks. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
And he can't get enough work at this time to be a weaver. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
In 1860, just a few years after becoming a docker, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:26 | |
John Cecil's chances of returning to the silk trade were dashed. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:31 | |
A treaty was introduced between the French and British governments | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
to remove import and export taxes on a wide range of goods. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
For the silk industry, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:41 | |
this meant the import of cheap material from France. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
A move which had a devastating effect on silk weaving in Britain. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
For John Cecil, worse is to come, because our 1861 census record | 0:31:48 | 0:31:54 | |
records that he's one of ten people here in a lodging house. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
So he's lost all his property, he's on his own. None of his family here. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
And he really is in a dosshouse, basically. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
And just to give you an indication, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
this is what the lodging houses looked like of the day. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
This is an actual etching of the period of a lodging house interior. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:20 | |
This is the conditions that John Cecil would have found himself in. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
You know, absolutely deplorable conditions. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
All strangers, all sleeping together. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
-Ten of them, probably in just one room. -Yeah. -No sanitation whatsoever. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:35 | |
It's just incredible. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
Especially when you think that it wasn't far back | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
that he owned two homes and was working away... | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
He was a Freeman of the City and doing very well. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
And he comes down to this degraded situation, yes. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
-And it wasn't long after this that he went from here, into the workhouse, and death. -Yes. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:57 | |
And when you think his father lived to be 84, and he died in his 60s. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
-Yes. -No wonder, when you look at the conditions that they had to live in. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:07 | |
Well, who'd have imagined that just going to find out a little bit | 0:33:13 | 0:33:18 | |
about my grandfather, Albert Eldridge, the greengrocer in Bethnal Green, | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
we would be led along a path where we came to James Eldridge, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
who committed suicide because he would rather kill himself than go into the workhouse. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
And then on to John Cecil and his story. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
How he was a weaver and how he gradually, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
through circumstances not of his own making, ended up in a workhouse. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
You know, it's tinged with sadness and in a way, pride as well. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
That they worked so hard and struggled on. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
It's just a wonderful story. It's just been marvellous. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
Having explored grandfather Albert Eldridge's side of the family, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
Len now wants to investigate his grandmother Louisa's line. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
Well, I do know that my great-great grandfather, I think, was from Poland. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:29 | |
Sosnowski. And I want to find out a little bit about that. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
How this Polish person came to England and London, and what made him come over. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:39 | |
Len was recently contacted by a distant relative | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
who has given him some information about the Polish side of his family. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
It takes Len first to Portsmouth. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
Well, a nice chap from Yorkshire, Gordon, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
kindly sent me some information | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
regarding my ancestors, which we have here. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
Now, he sent me a very interesting letter. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
And in it he writes, "Our ancestor, Josef Sosnowski, | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
"had probably been exiled from Poland | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
and there is a memorial in Kingston Cemetery, Portsmouth, | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
listing all 212 Polish soldiers | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
aboard the Marianne, including Josef Sosnowski. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
So I'm going to have a look round | 0:35:28 | 0:35:30 | |
and hopefully shed a little bit more light is on the Sosnowskis. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
Now... | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
"Polish soldiers who arrived in Portsmouth from Gdansk | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
"aboard the battleship Marianne in 1834." | 0:35:55 | 0:36:01 | |
And here they're listed. Now, let's have a look down here... | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
And here he is. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
Josef Sosnowski. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
But then it says "Jazda Krakowska". I don't know. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
Is that the regiment? I don't know. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
Now what were they doing coming here from Gdansk in 1834? | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
But there's a further plaque here... | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
..which reads, "Lest we forget the kindness shown and the help given | 0:36:28 | 0:36:33 | |
"by the people of Britain's premier naval port, Portsmouth, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
"to 212 Polish soldiers, members of the first Polish community in Britain, | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
"who arrived in Portsmouth in February 1834 | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
"after having taken part in the November Uprising against Czarist Russian oppression, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:53 | |
"which took place in Warsaw in 1830 and 1831." | 0:36:53 | 0:36:59 | |
Well. The plot thickens and the mystery continues. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:06 | |
It's incredible. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:13 | |
We've got these 212 Polish soldiers suddenly landing in Portsmouth, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:19 | |
because of some uprising that occurred in Warsaw. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
Now, what the uprising is about, I haven't a clue. So I am going off | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
to jolly old Poland and I'm going to find out. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
Len now wants to know more about Josef's life in Poland | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
and his apparent involvement in a struggle against Russia. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
He's come to Warsaw, the capital of Poland, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
and the site of the uprising mentioned on the monument in Portsmouth. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:54 | |
Helping him is historian Hubert Zubowski. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
Now, I've learned a little bit about my great-great-grandfather, Josef Sosnowski. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
But I'm hoping you can reveal a little bit more about him, give me a bit of insight | 0:38:06 | 0:38:10 | |
into what he got up to. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
Now, I have... | 0:38:12 | 0:38:14 | |
Josef's marriage certificate here. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
So here he is, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
but this is another strange thing, of course. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
I know him as Josef, but here he's Wincenty. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
Clearly it was the case was that he had two names. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
He was with baptised Josef and Wincenty. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
And, obviously, used one in one context and one in another | 0:38:35 | 0:38:40 | |
-and that would explain a lot and make sense of what happened. -Now, was Josef born in Warsaw? | 0:38:40 | 0:38:46 | |
Do you know which part of Poland he came from? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
Indeed, I have this document here. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
Um, which has his name... | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
Sosnowski Wincenty. Born in 1804. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
-The year before the Battle of Trafalgar. -That's right. 1804, yes. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
At a village in the Mirkow area. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
-Which is Mirkow? -Yes. Mirkow is just north of Krakow in the south of Poland. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:13 | |
It's in this part here. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
And this is where he was born in 1804. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
Now, he was born in a very interesting and turbulent period | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
of European history and Polish history. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
When Josef was growing up in the early years of the 19th century, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
most of Poland was under Russian rule. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
The Poles under Russian domination were allowed a degree of autonomy | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
and were even allowed their own army. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
But discontent with the Russian occupation was growing. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:46 | |
In November 1830, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
a group of Polish officers took up arms against the Russians in Warsaw, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:52 | |
while the local population stormed the city's arsenal. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
It marked the start of a ten-month period of fighting | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
known as the November Uprising. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
Now, on the memorial back in Portsmouth, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
against Josef Sosnowski's name, there is this other word, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
"Jazda Krakowska." | 0:40:11 | 0:40:15 | |
Now, is that a person or a place? What is that? | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
That in fact means the Krakow horsemen, riders. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
-the Krakow cavalry. -He was a cavalryman? | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
-He was a cavalryman. -Oh, Josef! | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
Yes, and this is what he would have looked like. They wore these white tunics. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:33 | |
They were light cavalry. They had a lance, pistols | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
and a sword and, what is important to bear in mind about Josef, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
is that this was a very special unit. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
And, most probably, he volunteered for this force. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
-These were not conscripted infantrymen. -Right. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
Um, they were one of the best Polish units. They were cavalry, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
committed to the cause of Polish independence, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
very formidable fighters and they were used for very serious work. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:05 | |
At one point, they provide the personal guard for the Polish Commander-in-Chief. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
-They were used for special missions. -Crack regiment. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
They were, they were and even Russian scholars recognised them | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
as having been one of the best Polish units. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
So they were very impressive. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
I'd no doubt that somewhere in my forefathers | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
there was someone brave and we've come to him at long last. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:31 | |
In May 1831, when Josef was 26, | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
he took part in the biggest Polish offensive of the November Uprising. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
His cavalry unit was part of a 50,000-strong Polish force | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
that attacked an elite division of the Russian army. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
It was a campaign in which Josef excelled. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
This is a list of those Polish soldiers who received | 0:41:53 | 0:41:58 | |
the military cross, Virtuti Militari, which was Poland's highest military cross. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:04 | |
Right. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
And it has different categories. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
-There is a gold cross for higher officers and silver and there was an iron cross. -Right. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:14 | |
Normally, ordinary troopers, if they were brave, they got the iron equivalent, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:20 | |
but Josef received the silver. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
-Come on! -And he features here, Sosnowski, Wincenty, trooper, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
under the list of srebrny, which is silver. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
For a trooper to be decorated with a silver cross was something very special. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:37 | |
And, in fact, here is... | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
..an example from that period of the Virtuti Militari which he would have received. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
Ah! | 0:42:48 | 0:42:49 | |
Oh, this is fantastic. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
You know, what makes me feel great is that my great-great-grandfather | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
was there at this skirmish and he was only a young man | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
and there he is receiving one of the highest decorations you could yet. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:06 | |
How proud he must've been. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:07 | |
It's just marvellous. Just to think about it makes me feel proud. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
The action for which Josef won his silver medal was a victory | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
for the Polish Army, but, ten days later, their fortunes were to change. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:22 | |
On the 26 May, 1831, one of the bloodiest battles of the uprising | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
took place near the town of Ostralenka. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
Fighting over a bridge on the river, the Polish forces battled for control throughout the day. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:36 | |
But faced with constant Russian reinforcements, Josef and the other Polish cavalry couldn't hold out | 0:43:36 | 0:43:41 | |
and were forced to retreat to neighbouring Prussia. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
The November Uprising had failed. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
The question for Josef and the other Polish soldiers, what do you do? | 0:43:49 | 0:43:54 | |
-Yeah. -Do you surrender to the Russians? They felt that was dishonourable. -Right. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:59 | |
The alternative was to cross the border into Prussia. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
And what would their fate have been had they surrendered? | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
They would have been at the mercy of the Czar and those soldiers | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
who did go back were put into the Russian army for 15 years. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:14 | |
-Some were put in for 25 years and then sent off to wherever the Russian army was fighting. -Right. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:20 | |
So it was not a pretty fate, not something that they wanted to accept. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:25 | |
And the Prussians offered an alternative. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
The Polish commander was in touch with a Prussian general | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
who, in the name of the King of Prussia, offered shelter | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
to the Polish Army, which by then numbered 20,000 men. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
And here we have the original documents from the 4th of October 1831, | 0:44:39 | 0:44:47 | |
issued by the Polish Commander-in-Chief to the Polish soldiers | 0:44:47 | 0:44:53 | |
-and this is the message which Josef and his comrades would have heard. -Right. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:58 | |
We have here the English version of this text. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
So here we have it. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
It's October 4th 1831, and he says "Tomorrow, we leave our homeland | 0:45:03 | 0:45:08 | |
"and will enter Prussia, that offers us a friendly shelter. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
"In the circumstances so sad, I speak once more to you, dear brothers-in-arms. | 0:45:12 | 0:45:18 | |
"Let us be worthy of ourselves. Let's leave with dignity | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
"and accept the cruel fate that we all share." | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
So he's saying don't go out with your tail between your legs, feeling defeated. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:30 | |
-Let's walk out proudly, and in a soldierly manner. -Indeed. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:35 | |
That's what they did, with the standards, with all the arms, the drums playing. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:39 | |
It was not an army in disarray. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
They left with pride. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:42 | |
-Indeed. That was their role. -Now, there's Josef, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:46 | |
a proud fighting man, and he's had to leave Poland, his homeland, | 0:45:46 | 0:45:51 | |
and move into Prussia. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:53 | |
What does he do? | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
The one thing we have to do now of course is to follow him | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
into what had been Prussia, to go where he in fact was in Prussia. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:05 | |
Hubert is now taking Len to a town four hours' drive north of Warsaw | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
called Grudziadz, in former Prussia, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
now in modern-day Poland. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
-Well... -It is interesting, yes. -Well, Hubert, this is a place you've brought me to! | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
It's a pretty bleak place, I must be honest. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:33 | |
-It's pretty grim, isn't it? -Grim?! -Absolutely grim. This is fortress of Grudziadz, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:38 | |
and in November 1831, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:42 | |
the Russians Czar issued an amnesty, saying that those soldiers | 0:46:42 | 0:46:47 | |
-who are here in Prussia, the Polish soldiers, can return home. -Right. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:53 | |
And the Prussians viewed that as an opportunity to get rid of the Polish soldiers. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:58 | |
They'd outstayed their welcome and this is the perfect opportunity to get rid of them. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:02 | |
Yeah, they can go back, and so on. And many of them do, most of them eventually go, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
but there was a hard core of those most defiant men, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:11 | |
like Josef and his unit, the Krakowska regiment, | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
the men from that unit, who refused to do that. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
By then, there were only about 1,000 left. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
So we've gone from the best part of 50,000 down to 20,000 crossing the border. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:25 | |
-Yes. -Now we've got about 1,000. -About 1,000 left. -Yeah. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:28 | |
And the Prussians put all kinds of pressure on them. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
Now that the Russian Czar had offered the Poles an amnesty, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
allowing them to return to their homeland, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
the Prussian government decided all the Polish soldiers should go back. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
There was a very unpleasant incident which happened at Fischau, not far from here. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:48 | |
And I've got a picture here which gives you some idea of what happened at Fischau. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:54 | |
-This is serious stuff. -It is. Yes. It's a French illustration. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
-The text is "the massacre of the Poles at Fischau". -Right. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
-And what you can see here are Prussian soldiers firing on the Polish. -And they're unarmed. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:08 | |
They had to give up all their weapons when they entered Prussia. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:11 | |
Indeed, so they are unarmed. They were fired on, | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
there were many casualties, deaths and many people were wounded. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
Others were beaten with rifle butts, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
and I have here a very interesting document written by a Polish officer several years later, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:29 | |
who knew Josef, | 0:48:29 | 0:48:30 | |
and he wrote an account about what happened to Josef in Fischau. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
-Oh, right. -Here is an English translation of the first part. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:40 | |
This is fascinating stuff. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
"He headed for Prussia with the Commander-in-Chief Robinski, | 0:48:42 | 0:48:46 | |
"where he was..." Oh, here we are. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:48 | |
"..where he was cruelly beaten up with rifle butts | 0:48:48 | 0:48:52 | |
"by Prussian soldiers, next to the village of Fischau. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
"After that, he was dangerously ill, and had a long stay in..." | 0:48:55 | 0:49:01 | |
-Grudziadz. -Here? Grudziaz. -Yes. Yes. -Yeah. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
So, he's bashed up and he's brought here to this fort. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:10 | |
And were they virtual prisoners here, or...? | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
Yes, they were prisoners here, and they had to do hard labour. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
Of course, once Josef has recovered from his injuries, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
-but I want to show you where they lived. -Oh, I'd like to see that. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
Josef was held captive with 500 other Polish soldiers here in the fortress of Grudziadz | 0:49:24 | 0:49:30 | |
for almost 18 months, from July 1832 to November 1833. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:35 | |
Conditions in the winter-time could be particularly brutal. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
It was not uncommon for temperatures to plummet to minus 20 degrees. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:46 | |
-Len, this is the chamber where 100 men were kept. -100? | 0:49:46 | 0:49:52 | |
And there used to be a floor. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
50 men slept upstairs, 50 men slept downstairs. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:59 | |
There were animals to be kept here. There were chickens and pigs as well. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
It's here that Josef lived for over a year. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
This is where he slept, he ate, you know? This was his home. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:11 | |
You know, to think that my great-great-grandfather was actually here, living here, | 0:50:11 | 0:50:17 | |
throughout the winter, freezing cold, it is absolutely incredible. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:24 | |
But, in a way, it's lovely that I've got this sort of connection, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
that I'm actually in a place where my great-great-grandfather | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
had to put up with all these terrible conditions, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
and having to go through all this rather than bow to the will of other people. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:40 | |
And it somehow brings you a little bit closer to him. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
Eventually, though, the Prussians got fed up with keeping all these men | 0:50:44 | 0:50:48 | |
and they decided to get rid of them. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
-Right. -And they were put on a ship in Gdansk, | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
and they were going to be sent as far away as possible. | 0:50:55 | 0:51:00 | |
-Portsmouth. -That's what YOU think. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
-Yeah. -But the destination was North America. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:07 | |
-That is where the ship started to go to. -No! North America? | 0:51:07 | 0:51:13 | |
-So they were being deported to America. -To America. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
Well, what happened? How did they get into Portsmouth? | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
This is one of those little quirks of fate. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
There was a storm, and the ship had to seek shelter. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:28 | |
-The nearest port was Portsmouth. -Well, I never did! | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
What is amazing is how history turns on a little bit of fate, you know? | 0:51:31 | 0:51:37 | |
There's my great-great-grandfather, he's on this ship, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
the Marianne, and he's heading off to North America, and he tops up in Portsmouth, | 0:51:41 | 0:51:47 | |
and I suppose, eventually, he meets my great-great-grandmother, | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
and because of that, here I am, and if that hasn't happened, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:55 | |
he'd have been gone and everything would have been totally different. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
He was one of 212 men who were on that ship, | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
and the documents which will reveal what happens to him after Portsmouth | 0:52:02 | 0:52:07 | |
are to be found in Paris. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
-In Paris? -Yes, in Paris. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
Paris became the centre of the Polish immigration at that period, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:16 | |
-and that is where the documents are. -Thank you so much. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
It's just been incredible. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
Len has come to Paris on the final stage of his journey, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:33 | |
to uncover what happened to Josef Sosnowski after he arrived in Portsmouth in 1834. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
It's here that the detailed records of the Poles who emigrated after the uprising are kept. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:43 | |
Len is here to meet an expert on Polish emigration, Dr Christophe Marklowitz. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:49 | |
So my great-great-grandfather, Josef Sosnowski, he's landed in Portsmouth. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:55 | |
There he is. But I know nothing from there on. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
-That's where the trail goes cold. -OK. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
-You have learned so far that Josef Sosnowski was a very brave man. -Yeah. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:07 | |
He was also very, very active in political terms, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:12 | |
and all of this started in Portsmouth in 1835. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:18 | |
He became a member of Polish Democratic Society. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:23 | |
-That's the membership list from March 1835. -Right. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:29 | |
And it was one of the most important organisations | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
of the great emigration after the November uprising. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
The Polish Democratic Society in Portsmouth was formed by Josef | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
and the other soldiers who'd arrived on the ship, the Marianne. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
The society campaigned to persuade Britain and other European nations | 0:53:45 | 0:53:50 | |
to back military action to reinstate an independent Poland. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:54 | |
So, it would appear that he's really proud to be Polish, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
and he wants Poland back, | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
and whether it's through fighting or through a political end, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:05 | |
-that's what he wants to do. -That's right. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
Then we have a small gap in the documents. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
-He's certainly moved to London. -Right. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
To eastern London, to be more precise. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
That was the part of London where usually immigrants settled in the 19th century. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:21 | |
-He married in London... -Right. -..in 1841. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
So this is a period in his biography when he's less politically active. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:31 | |
-Family... -Well, he's got married. -Children. That's right. -Kids coming along. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:36 | |
Have we any idea how many children? | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
Well, we know that he had a big family, | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
and he had at least nine children. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
Oh, right! So, blimey, | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
no wonder he had to stop his political workings for a while, to bring them up! | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
But he revived his activity. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
In the 1860s, he became a member of the Federation of Polish Immigration, | 0:54:54 | 0:55:00 | |
-and you can see his name on the list of members. -There he is. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
The Federation of Polish Immigration was a group of exiled Poles living in London. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:12 | |
Joseph joined the group in the 1860s, and their main goal | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
was to bring about an independent Poland. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
Although there was sympathy for the group among ordinary citizens, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
governments across Europe gave them little support. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
The London branch that Josef belonged to became affiliated to Communist organisations in the city. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:32 | |
What is interesting is the fact that the London branch | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
of the Federation of Polish Immigration was affiliated to the First International, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:44 | |
in which Karl Marx played a pivotal role. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:49 | |
So Karl Marx was a part of this organisation that Josef was in? | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
-That's right. And Josef Sosnowski knew Marx personally at that time. -Right! | 0:55:53 | 0:55:58 | |
Well, you've got to say, Josef Sosnowski, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
my great-great-grandfather, did have a fantastic life, eh? | 0:56:01 | 0:56:06 | |
You know, from probably being a farmer and joining the army, | 0:56:06 | 0:56:11 | |
and chucked into Prussia, moved into Portsmouth | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
-and then onto London, it's just an incredible, incredible story. -That's right. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
And the underlying thing is, he was so supportive of Poland, | 0:56:19 | 0:56:24 | |
whether it was fighting for the country physically | 0:56:24 | 0:56:29 | |
or politically, he was going to try and see that Poland was restored. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:34 | |
-Patriotic. -He was a patriot, that's for sure. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:37 | |
Josef Sosnowski died in 1895 at the age of 91. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:46 | |
He never went back to Poland, | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
and passed away before it was able to regain its independence in 1918. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:56 | |
Len has now returned to Bethnal Green, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
where his grandparents Albert and Louisa lived their whole lives. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:11 | |
I feel no different, I look no different, I am no different, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:15 | |
and yet, I'm not what I thought I was. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:19 | |
I thought I was truly an Anglo-Saxon, English through and through, | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
part of the East End for generations and generations, but no. I'm a hotchpotch. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:29 | |
A bit of this, a bit of that, | 0:57:29 | 0:57:30 | |
and it's incredible how quickly the blood of your forefathers dilutes. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:36 | |
My gateway into my past is via my grandparents, | 0:57:36 | 0:57:41 | |
Albert Eldridge, and Louisa Sosnowski. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:45 | |
My nan and my grandad. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
And if ever there was an East End family, a Cockney family, it's them. | 0:57:47 | 0:57:52 | |
They were typical, | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
and I just wish they were both still alive | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
so I could tell my nan about Josef Sosnowski, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
and my grandad about the weavers and the great forebears that he had. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:08 | |
I don't know if I've inherited any traits from my ancestors. | 0:58:08 | 0:58:12 | |
I hope somewhere in me is a little bit of the braveness of Josef Sosnowski, | 0:58:12 | 0:58:16 | |
and I hope there's a little bit of the hard work from the Eldridges, | 0:58:16 | 0:58:21 | |
but I know that when it's my turn to go and I pass the baton on to my son James, | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
I hope he's proud, as I am, of his forefathers. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:30 | |
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