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John Barnes is best known for playing football for Liverpool, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:17 | |
and still lives with his family close to his former club. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
In a glittering career spanning nearly two decades, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
he represented England 79 times. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
Yet John wasn't born in England. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
My father was a colonel in the Jamaican army | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
and he was posted here as military attache, | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
so I fully expected to go back to the Caribbean and Jamaica | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
when I was 16, 17, and the family went back and I stayed to play football. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
John helped steer Liverpool to League and FA Cup success | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
but like many black footballers of that time, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
witnessed racism at first hand. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
There is a great picture, and it was in the newspapers as well, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
of me back-heeling a banana off the field. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
Obviously things have happened which haven't been pleasant, | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
but I tend to look at them as experiences that are necessary | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
for you to grow, for you to be who you are. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
Because I came from Jamaica, and I'm from a middle-class Jamaican family, | 0:01:18 | 0:01:22 | |
I was fully empowered as to who I actually was, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
so coming to England and experiencing racism and the prejudice, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
it really was water off a duck's back to me. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
Married twice, John has seven children - | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
the oldest 27, the youngest 18 months old. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
John now works as a football pundit, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
well known for his honest and forthright opinions. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
'I do argue a lot and I'm fairly opinionated.' | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
I try and be objective, so I try and see both sides, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
although my side I probably argue a little bit more for! | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
My family are fairly political. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
My grandfather and his brothers in Jamaica | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
were part of a trade union movement, and they argue about politics. They argue a lot. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:13 | |
But my grandfather, Frank, wasn't the most exciting person, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
because he was always on the typewriter or reading books, | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
so I'm hoping to go further down the line | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
to find some more active, dynamic people, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
outdoors people, er, but Frank is the first point. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
Now I'm going to head off to Jamaica and see my mother | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
to get her to tell me some of the old stories she has already told me, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
which I wasn't listening to cos I was too busy playing football. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
Hopefully I'll find out a little bit more about where I came from. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
-John! -How are you doing? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
-Long time no see. -Hello. How you doing, sweetie? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
-Very well. -Nice to see you, sweetie. -Good to see you. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
What have you done to the weather? How hot is this? | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
-It's cool? -No, it's too hot! | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
-I'm from the cold country. -This is good for July. -I know, this is good weather. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
It was hotter last year. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
The Caribbean island of Jamaica was captured by the British | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
from the Spanish in 1655. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
Over the next two centuries, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Britain's plantation owners exploited the trade in slaves | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
to make Jamaica one of the world's largest exporters of sugar. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
Jamaica gained independence from Britain in 1962 | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
and this year is celebrating its 50th anniversary. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
It is now one of the 54 members of the Commonwealth. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Around 90% of islanders are directly descended from slaves. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Just over half a million people | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
live in and around the island's capital, Kingston. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
John spent his early childhood in Jamaica | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
with his two older sisters, Tracy and Gillian, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
his mother Jeanne and father Ken, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
before Ken moved the family to England in 1976. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
Well, my father played football for Jamaica. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
He captained the Jamaica national team, he managed the team - | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
not at the same time - then became President of the Football Federation. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
He was just the greatest man, as far as I'm concerned. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
Ken Barnes was a sportsman and soldier, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
trained by the British at Sandhurst. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
He rose to number two in the Jamaican Defence Force | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
based at Up Park Camp in Kingston where the family used to live. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
Ken died in 2009. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
My favourite picture of your father is that one on the wall, yes. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
-When was that? -That was taken 1988. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
We went to Up Park Camp when you were a couple of months old, in about '64. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
-You had some good times there, didn't you? -I had all the times! | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
-You had the run of the place. -And the football field was opposite where we lived | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
-and we had 18 mango trees in the garden. -Yes. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
And you used to play football there. That was all you used to do. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
This is the earliest picture I can remember of me. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
Your father, when he was at staff college, he sent stuff home, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
and he sent a sweater for me and he sent this for you and some things for the girls, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
and we wanted to show that you were, even in this hot climate, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
-you were using the bathrobe. -Did he forget where we lived?! You got a big sweater, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
I've got a woolly bathrobe, when we live in Jamaica, 100 degrees. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
That was what they were selling in England. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
So this was what we took. And there you were. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
-He was very pleased when we sent those pictures to him. -All right. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
When we went to England in '76, we stayed nearly 4½ years. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
-Some of us who were deserted stayed longer. -Stayed longer. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
All right, well, let me show you some more members of the family. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
We're talking about our little family, but over here, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
this is the first thing I did when I moved here last November, set up this wall with all my pictures. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
-This is my father, your grandfather, Frank Hill. -Yeah. -You remember much about him? | 0:06:37 | 0:06:42 | |
I remember Frank. Not too much because every time we went round, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
-he was inside, reading and typing. -Typing. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
-I was an outdoor kind of guy. -Yes, and he was an indoor kind of guy. -An indoor kind of guy. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
Oh, yes, he was a journalist. This is a bust of Frank... | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
-Yeah. -..when he was chairman of the National Heritage Trust, the Institute of Jamaica. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
-OK. -And this is his father, Stephen Hill, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
my grandfather, your great-grandfather. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
-Who you think I look like. -Yes. I think you look a lot like him. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
He was an associate editor of the Gleaner. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
I don't know too much about his journalistic career. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
All right, this is one of the 25th wedding anniversary of my father Frank and mother Monica. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
-Mm-hm. -December 20th 1959. I was in England at the time, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
so I wasn't here. But all the rest of the family in Jamaica are here. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
-That's Uncle Ken. -Right. -He and Dad were like peas in a pod. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
And all their political activities got them into a lot of hot water. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
And in fact, they were arrested and interned in Up Park Camp | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
-for threatening to overthrow Her Majesty's Government. -Nice! | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
Well, that is what they were doing, fomenting unrest among the masses, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
the working class of Jamaica. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
They were always nationalists. Loved Jamaica to death. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
As a boy, John was close to his football-loving father | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
and paid less attention to the bookish men on his mother's side of the family. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
Now he wants to find out more about his maternal grandfather, | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Frank Hill, who was a journalist and trades union leader | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
when Jamaica was still ruled by the British. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
While I remember this picture of me in Up Park Camp, where I grew up, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
I had heard stories of course about my grandfather, Frank, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
and I know from the political aspect of the family that he was involved, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
and his brother Ken particularly, were involved in...shenanigans, shall we say? | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
So I'm going to find out a bit more about them being, as my mother said, in Up Park Camp. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
In the early 1940s, Jamaica was a crown colony ruled from London. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:55 | |
The island was controlled by a white colonialist elite. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Day-to-day law and order on the island was the responsibility of the British Governor. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
In November 1942, during the darkest days of the Second World War, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
Frank and his brother Ken, along with two other union leaders, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
were imprisoned on the Governor's orders, and held at Up Park Camp, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
which at the time was a British Army base. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
It is now the home of the Jamaican Defence Force. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
John has come here to meet Lieutenant-Colonel Martin Rickman. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
So, John, we're now walking on the ground | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
-where that internment camp was actually located. -Right. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
Now, the camp would have been maybe about ten or so wooden huts | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
and it was bordered by barbed-wire fencing, with a guard at the gate. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
And there were internees, both local and also Germans, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
because it was at the time of the war, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
-and German merchant shippers were detained here... -Right. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
..for a period at that time. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
Well, I didn't realise it was so close, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
because this is where my football career started. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
-Oh, really? -I didn't realise that my grandfather was interned not far from here. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
We played football here on the way to swimming training at the national stadium, which is close, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
and this is where my career started. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
We're sitting where the internment camp was. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
I've come here so many times without knowing this is where it actually was, and this existed. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
So, really, next up is to find out more about that incident and why they were interned here. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:40 | |
John has come to the Governor's residence, King's House, | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
to look at colonial records relating to his grandfather's imprisonment. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
He is meeting Khitanya Petgrave, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
professor of history at the University of the West Indies. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
-Hi, I'm John. -Hi, I'm Khitanya. Nice to meet you. -And you. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
-Welcome to King's House, John. -Thank you. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
There are some wonderful, grand surroundings here. It's a very important house for 1962, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
when Jamaica gained independence. It would have been the main office and official residence | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
of the British Governor during the period of colonialism. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
-This was where the movers and shakers were. -Exactly. And major decisions would have been made here. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:26 | |
First of all, the Governor at the time of the internment - | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
there's a picture here of Governor Arthur Richards. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
-Looks a very serious man. -Yes, he does, in his rather grand outfit, there. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
-Very grand. -Yeah. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
So here are the documents, actually, that I'd like to show you. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
You can see here that these are top-secret communiques | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
-between the Governor and the Colonial Office in London. -OK. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
-Your grandad was detained on 3rd November. -Mm-hm. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
This is the first communique between the Governor of Jamaica at the time, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
Sir Arthur Richards, and the Colonial Secretary of State. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
"Most Immediate. I have detained under Regulation 18 | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
"of Jamaica Defence Regulations, 1940, the following - | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
"Richard Hart, Arthur Henry..." | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
..somebody Barstow Hill, scribbled out to make Frank Hill, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
who's my grandfather, obviously, and Ken Hill. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
And they were collectively known as the Four Hs, right? | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
They're kind of the most vehement anti-colonial critics at the time. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
And a lot of the ways in which they communicated their ideas | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
-was through involvement in trade union groups. -Right. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
Frank and Ken Hill, and the two other union leaders, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
were collectively known as the Four Hs, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
and imprisoned for their political beliefs | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
under emergency wartime legislation. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
"Frank Hill is a leading member of the Metropolitan group | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
"of left-wing PNP, and a former group president." | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
I'll stop you right there. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
First of all, the PNP was the People's National Party, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
a party which your grandfather was a part of, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
um, and, essentially, the remit of it was to fight for self-government or political autonomy. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:14 | |
At the time, very few Jamaicans had the right to vote. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
Power lay with the predominantly white minority. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
The PNP was left wing | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
and supported the poor black workers on the island. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
Modelled on the British Labour Party, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
it was Jamaica's first serious political party | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
to challenge colonial rule. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
Frank's involvement soon brought him to the attention of the authorities. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
-If you just read it for me, please. -OK. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
"He owns The Worker printery. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
"From this printing press emanates all the subversive literature | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
"and objectionable newspapers in the island." | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
Frank Hill was a journalist, so he's being accused here | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
of being the main propagandist of the PNP at the time. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
They actually seized documents from The Worker printery, and if you read along here... | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
"We want public mass feeling aroused. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
"All that wealth of anti-imperialist feeling bred by years of British evil rule. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
"For this is not our war, it is Tory England's war. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
"Be it resolved that the PNP in the name of the people of Jamaica | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
"demand declaration by the British Government of Jamaica's independence." | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
So these are some of the words that your grandfather wrote. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
You know, this is the during the wartime, the Second World War, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
and he's using the conditions of wartime | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
to really further fuel and spur on the nationalist movement, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
using it as a condition to declare, "This is a time for independence for Jamaica." | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
This is very interesting. I've seen similar words before, similar words, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
but obviously not knowing that my grandfather obviously felt the same way. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
At the time Frank was campaigning for political change, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
Britain was at a perilous point of the war. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
By 1942, Hitler had occupied Europe and pushed on into Africa. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:13 | |
The colonies were being asked to do their bit, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
and many Jamaicans had signed up, but some, like Frank, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
questioned Jamaica's role in the war. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
His views worried the Governor. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
OK, I'd like to show you the Governor's real opinions | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
of Frank Hill and his colleagues, the ones he detained. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
If you just read right here... | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
"I have long desired for the public safety to curb this man's activities. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
"Information now at my disposal shows that it is imperative to exercise control over him | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
"before he has further opportunity of disseminating such dangerous opinions amongst the ignorant masses here, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:55 | |
"who are unusually receptive to such propaganda." | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
This particular Governor was very intent on keeping things under control | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
and he saw Frank Hill and his brother and colleagues as destabilising forces. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
Of course, this time is when a new educated elite, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
a black elite or Indian elite, or Asian elite in Asia, then started to question... | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
-That's right. -..you know, their own humanity, and ask for independence themselves, so... | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
And you're quite right about this idea of a well-educated elite of which Frank Hill was a part. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:24 | |
This would have definitely upset the status quo. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
While the Governor of Jamaica was busy jailing dissidents, | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
some members of the wartime coalition back in the UK | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
were becoming alarmed by growing unrest in the colonies. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
They didn't want to upset the war effort | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
and were beginning to recognise a legitimate desire for self-rule throughout the Empire. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:53 | |
Chief among those in Government was the socialist minister Sir Stafford Cripps, | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
who now took up the cause of the Four Hs. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Ken Hill, your great-uncle, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
wrote to Stafford Cripps while he was in detention. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
Let me show you the response from Stafford Cripps | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
to our Colonial Secretary at the time, Oliver Stanley. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
"I am sending you a letter from a very nice young Negro I met out in Jamaica | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
"with whose ability I was much struck. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
"He seems to have got into an internment camp for no explained reason. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
"This is exactly the type of man that good, sensible handling can make a real asset to Jamaica, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
"whereas shutting him up will only make him bitter and vengeful and won't do any good. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
"I daresay this matter has been straightened out - I hope so." | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
I don't know what your impressions of that are. First of all, "very nice young Negro" - that's... | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
-That's nice language at that time. -Exactly. -A bit condescending, but what do you expect? It's 1942. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
I would rather stay in prison, to be honest with you! | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
-But anyway... -But what this shows is really that Stafford Cripps understood that it was really good | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
to have Ken Hill and the Four Hs on their side. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
And I'd like to bring into the view the fact that they really subscribed... The Four Hs | 0:18:01 | 0:18:07 | |
and the leading members of the PNP really believed in Fabian socialism, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
which is the same thing that the British Labour Party stood for. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
The idea of that, yes, change should come about, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
but it should be through gradual reform and not revolutionary change, as such. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
The Governor in Jamaica now found himself at odds | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
with the Secretary of State for the Colonies back in London, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
who accepted that some limited self-rule | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
would be inevitable for the island. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
The next thing that happens | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
is a letter from the Secretary of State to the Governor. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
And it says, "Increasing Parliamentary interest is being taken in cases of four men | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
"whose detention under Defence Regulation was reported in a telegram, number 889. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:55 | |
"Even if these men have not exercised their right of appeal, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
"you will no doubt think it is desirable to consider from time to time how far the circumstances | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
"in which it was found necessary to detain them have changed by reason of the improved political situation | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
"and the likelihood that the People's National Party, will now turn its energies | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
"to constructive effort within new constitution." | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
Right. So you can see that the Colonial Office realises | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
that the PNP are completely on board with this idea of constitutional reform | 0:19:17 | 0:19:22 | |
and are willing to work... This culture of negotiation, mediation, working together... | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
-Even if the men haven't asked to be released, release them? -Yes, release them. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
-They're saying, even if they haven't made representation, you know, get them out. -Right. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:35 | |
And this is the reply to the Secretary of State | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
from the Governor, the following the day, 16th March. OK. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
"I have decided to suspend, unconditionally, the orders against four internees, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
"Frank Hill, Ken Hill, Richard Hart and Henry. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
"I am convinced that the risk is worth taking, to give them a chance of turning their activities | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
-"towards making the new constitution a success." -So even he realises that it's pointless | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
to have the Four Hs continue to be detained. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
On 18th March 1943, after just over four months in detention, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
Frank and the rest of the Four Hs were eventually released on the orders of the Governor. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:15 | |
Sir Arthur Richards, he was a little bit problematic | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
and actually he was replaced very soon after this, in July 1943. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
-Yeah. -Yes, so... But Frank Hill was at the centre... | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Your grandad was at the centre of all this political activity, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
-at a very critical moment in Jamaican history. -Mm. -Yeah. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
Knowing more about my grandfather, he's going up in my estimation, Frank. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
He's much more exciting than I thought. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
Which then leads me to thinking about my love of football coming from my father, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
and I'm just wondering if Frank's love of politics and writing, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
whether that would have been from his father, my great-grandfather, Stephen Hill. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:03 | |
And that's what I aim to find out next. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
To find out more about Stephen Hill, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
John is contacting his mother's cousin Robert Hill, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
who is professor of Caribbean history | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
at the University College of Los Angeles. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
John's great-grandfather, Stephen, was also a journalist, | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
but at a very different kind of newspaper from Frank's The Worker. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
The Daily Gleaner, founded in 1834, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
was very much an Establishment newspaper, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
owned by white merchants. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
"Dearest John, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:01 | |
"I'm really pleased you got in touch with me about your research. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
"Your great-grandfather, my grandfather, Stephen, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
"is a rather enigmatic figure in the family. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
"Perhaps one of his greatest achievements | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
"was that he rose to the rank of associate news editor of the Daily Gleaner. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
"The fact that he was a black man in such a prominent position at this time in Jamaica is quite remarkable. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
"During my research a few decades ago, I came across an interesting document you might wish to see. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
"I had forgotten all about it until I got your message. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
"I have attached the document to this e-mail and hope you find it useful." | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
The reply John receives from Robert Hill comes with an attachment. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
"Re activities of Mr Marcus Garvey. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
"I beg to report as follows... | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
"On Friday 14th, instant, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
"he conducted a meeting in the Ward Theatre | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
"under the auspices of the People's Political Party. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
"The object of this meeting was to protest against the Daily Gleaner's method | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
"of inciting the public mind against an unfortunate section of the community." | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
It doesn't really make much sense to me, to be honest. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
So, I shall have to try and find out some more details. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
The mystery document appears to be an account of a protest meeting | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
held in Kingston by the black nationalist leader, Marcus Garvey. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
Garvey was a Jamaican-born early pioneer of black civil rights. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
"Politically, the Marcus Garvey African Nationalist Movement | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
"with a following of tens of thousands, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
"emphasise African-ness for Afro-Americans." | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Garvey toured the United States extensively and recruited | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
thousands of supporters, before falling foul of the FBI. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
He was imprisoned and then deported in 1927. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
Back in Jamaica, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
Garvey set out to represent the poor black community, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
who had no right to vote, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
and to challenge the ruling white elite on the island. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
It seems that, in 1928, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
Garvey held a meeting to protest against the Daily Gleaner. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
John needs to know how this relates to his great-grandfather, Stephen, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
who was associate editor of the paper at the time. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
John has come to the University of the West Indies | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
to meet Prof Clinton Hutton, an expert on black nationalism. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
-Professor, how are you? -Hi, I'm good, man. How are you, John? | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
-John. Nice to see you. -Yeah, nice to see you too. Good, good. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Professor Hutton, I'm trying to find out information | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
about my great-grandfather, Stephen. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
My cousin Bobby sent an attachment which I couldn't really understand. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
So I thought you maybe could shed some light on it. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
This is in relation to a meeting that was held by Marcus Garvey, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:04 | |
and this meeting was held | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
to protest reports in the Daily Gleaner newspaper. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
Your great-grandfather was one of its editors | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
and in two reports said that Garvey was in a conspiracy | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
to attack a number of prominent persons, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
um, who were regarded as his political enemies. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-This is...the first of them. -Right. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
"Hooligans set upon Mr John Soulette. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
"The incident occurred just as Mr Soulette was closing his establishment. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:42 | |
"He was in the act of bolting one of its windows, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
"which opened into Tower Street, when the hooligan came from behind | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
"and administered a couple of blows with his fist. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
"The attack on Mr Soulette was premeditated | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
"and there was good reason to believe | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
"that it was arranged in certain quarters. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
"We are fully a year off the general election | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
"and if this exhibition of hooliganism commences already, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
-"one can conjecture what will be the situation next year." -Yeah. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
This...this is the second... | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
the second one. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
"Gleaner hears beating-up of Mr Soulette part of plot." | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
-Which is really a development of... -Or just the same. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
-..but now we're saying that it's definitely part of a plot. -OK. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
Marcus Garvey believed | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
that Stephen Hill was the author of the articles in the Gleaner. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
These articles suggested that the attack on Mr Soulette, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
a watchmaker and local politician, was not random, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
but organised by Garvey and his supporters | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
to intimidate Soulette ahead of elections in 1930. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
The articles also claimed attacks were planned | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
on other prominent citizens, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:51 | |
including John's great-grandfather, Stephen. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
Now, Garvey called this meeting to protest the report, | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
-and this is part of it. -And this is Marcus Garvey speaking? -Right. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
"Whereas the Daily Gleaner of the island on the 10th and 11th days of December 1928 | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
"published a certain untruthful statement with respect | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
"to an assault committed on a Mr John Soulette of this city | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
"and where such statements were fabricated | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
"for the purpose of endeavouring to discredit and hold up to public ridicule and contempt | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
"certain citizens of this island and prejudice their political career." | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
Yeah. The meeting was, um, said to have been attended | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
by over 3,000 persons, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:31 | |
essentially to put pressure on the Gleaner | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
and your great-grandfather, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
-and actually blamed him for this report... -OK. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
..that they considered... that they denied | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
to have any validity at all. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
Marcus Garvey retaliated by publishing a pamphlet | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
accusing Stephen Hill and the Gleaner | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
of smearing his campaign to win seats for Garvey's candidates, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:59 | |
including a Mr Simpson. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
Marcus Garvey announced Simpson as one of his speakers. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:08 | |
"The greatest hooligan in the world is that man | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
"who can stick in one suit of clothes from Christmas to Christmas, he's the biggest hooligan, | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
"and that man is to be found at the Gleaner. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
"Talk about anybody striking Hill. Why, you would have to have | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
"a Euphrates to wash your hands after you've done it. Laughter. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
"Look at that man's bloodshot eyes and dribbling mouth, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
"look at his lips, but don't attempt to draw a match near his mouth to avoid an explosion." | 0:28:26 | 0:28:31 | |
Well, we know he liked a drink. THEY LAUGH | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
-You know that? -Yeah. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
-So the attack was quite personal. -Mm-hm. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
It's part of trying to... to discredit him. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
They are saying that somehow Hill... | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
is not a representative of black people, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
is a representative of those classes of people who own the Gleaner. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:54 | |
Stephen is a much more complex character, even than Frank. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
I don't know if he's been swept away because he's working for the paper, so he has to take this stance, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
but it seems that he has made a few enemies in Jamaica. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
Stephen Hill died in 1937 at the relatively young age of 54, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:20 | |
just before the struggle for Jamaican independence really took off. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
John wants to know whether Stephen's reputation was damaged | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
by his public spat with Marcus Garvey. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
He's heading for Spanish Town, the old capital of Jamaica, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
where the national archives are located. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
He's meeting research consultant, Dianne Frankson. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
-Hi, Dianne, I'm John. -Hello, how are you, John? -Nice to meet you. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
Well, here's a picture of my great-grandfather, Stephen Hill, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:06 | |
and I'm just really here to try and find out | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
whether the altercation with Marcus Garvey ruined his reputation, | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
or whether he was viewed in a different light after that. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
Well, that would not have been unusual for the time. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
-Mm-hm. -Mainly because Marcus Garvey | 0:30:20 | 0:30:25 | |
was considered a radical, an extreme radical. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
He was basically a person who appealed at the time, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
mostly to the working class, not to a middle-class person. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
And not only that, the Gleaner has traditionally | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
-been a very Establishment-based paper, even till today. -Mmm. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
This is entitled "The tragic death of SA Hill of the Gleaner." | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
"Some time after midnight | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
"he was down in the vicinity of the Victoria Market pier, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
"and presumably went for a stroll on the pier itself. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
"At about quarter to one o'clock, a boatman who was in his boat | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
"heard a splash and, shortly after, saw a hat floating on the water. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
"At 6 o'clock, a body was seen floating near the western side of the pier. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
"It was speedily identified as that of Mr Stephen Hill | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
"of the Gleaner's editorial staff." | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
How do you feel about that? | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
There was a rumour, and I've heard the rumour about his drinking habits | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
and, um, he probably was wandering | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
a little bit too close and a bit inebriated and fell into the water. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
Let's now look at... | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
tributes that were paid to your great-grandfather. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
"Next to his love for newspaper work, he loved the thoroughbreds | 0:31:34 | 0:31:39 | |
"and few indeed were the race meetings in Kingston and St Andrew | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
"he missed in the past 35 years. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
"Years ago, he owned a couple of thoroughbreds | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
"with which he won several races | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
"and his familiar figure will be missed at Knutsford and the Kingston course | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
"when his devotees gather together for the king of sports." | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
He actually raced horses. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
So, you're talking a black man | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
achieving the status of going into the upper-middle class. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:06 | |
Now, you're starting to understand why Marcus Garvey | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
would definitely have not been his best friend. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
Well, it wasn't financial. Maybe he moved in those circles, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
but he didn't have any money to move in those circles, I tell you that! | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
Well, but you know, actually, class has very little to do with money. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
-If he managed to work himself there... -Mmm. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
..and get accepted, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
-that was an achievement in itself. -Mmm. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
Let me tell you that. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:32 | |
Although both journalists, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
father and son were clearly very different politically. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
Stephen would appear to have become a member of the Establishment, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
whereas his son, Frank, was taking a more radical path. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
So, just how did John's grandfather, Frank, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
become part of the Jamaican independence movement? | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
John has come to the Ward Theatre in downtown Kingston | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
to meet Dr Raphael Dalleo. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
-Hi, I'm John. -Hi, Raphael. Great to meet you. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
Nice to meet you too. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
Raphael, an expert in Caribbean political writing, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
has documents relating to Frank's early political life. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
In 1937, he's working at the Water Commission here in Kingston, | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
and one of his colleagues there is a man named OT Fairclough. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
So Fairclough is someone | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
who has very strong political beliefs in self-governance | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
and he and Frank are talking about what to do about this. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
So the two of them decide they're going to launch a newspaper, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
titled Public Opinion. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
"New wine in new bottle. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
"Is it inevitable that Jamaica will remain forever a crown colony | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
"with scant voice in her own destinies? | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
"Are her people as a whole incapable of reaching | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
"the level of civilisation which guarantees equilibrium | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
"and progress of adaptation to the requirements of a changing world?" | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
OK? So this is not a signed article, but we think this is something that Frank would've written. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
"To represent the new opinions of the present time, | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
"its ambitions and its hopes, there must be a new voice. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:22 | |
"And for this reason, Public Opinion has appeared." | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
-So this is the... -That's why he started the newspaper. -Exactly. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
It was strange, because as much as he was a quiet man, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
-he was always inside, from my mother, I always knew he had strong views and strong opinions. -Hm-mm. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:35 | |
So while he wasn't outside playing football with me, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
that's why I thought he was boring, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
I knew that he was a very strong-minded man. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
Why don't you take a look at the headline here? | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
"34 strikers hurt, 60 arrested in clash with police in St Thomas." | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
-So this is January 1938. -OK. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
1938 is especially important in Jamaica | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
as this year in which there are all of these labour uprisings. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
We have them spreading throughout the island. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
"1,000 labourers halt Tate & Lyle in Westmoreland." | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
So Jamaica's still a crown colony under British rule, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
a place where there's a lot of poverty and inequality, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
and 100 years after the abolition of slavery, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
many Jamaicans are still living on the same estates | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
their ancestors lived on as slaves, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
they're working for below living wages, | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
-so this is going on at the beginning of 1938. -OK. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
'Just 100 years ago, Great Britain abolished slavery. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
'Today, the Jamaican Negro is a happy, enlightened law-abiding citizen, | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
'loyal to his government, of which he is very proud.' | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
But Frank Hill was all too aware that the reality for Jamaicans | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
was very different from that portrayed by newsreel at the time. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
The production of sugar cane | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
was an essential part of Jamaica's economy, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
but in the late 1930s, world markets were depressed, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
unemployment was rife and wages were low. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
The workforce began a series of strikes. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
Hundreds were arrested and at least 12 people killed. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
What initially started as a strike at one sugar factory | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
soon became an uprising across the island, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
as witnessed at first hand by Frank Hill. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
This is Frank being interviewed later in the 1970s, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
talking about 1938. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:25 | |
"Arthur Kitchin interview with Frank Hill. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
"The breaking of the storm in 1938 | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
"to those of us who were involved in it, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
"was so close that we hardly saw the woods because of the trees, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
"so although I remember covering for the Jamaica Standard rioting in front of the Coronation Market, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
"and running for cover from police bullets coming down the lane, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
"actually, the social significance never fully broke over us until two months later." | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
So Frank is a journalist in this time period | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
and one of the things he's doing is he's covering these riots. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
It seems there are two passions he has at this part of his life. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
-On the one hand, he really wants to be a writer, you know, an artist in some way. -Yeah. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:59 | |
Then the other thing is that he has the social conscious, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
that he really wants to help the people who are suffering in Jamaica. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
And so that brings us to the Ward Theatre. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
So you can take a look at this headline. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:12 | |
"Upheaval has much merit as dramatic work. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
"Frank Hill's play opens at Ward Theatre. Standard of acting, high." | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
So this is July of 1939 | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
and this is Frank having a play performed here in the Ward Theatre | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
and here's a description in the review in the Gleaner of that play. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
"Whatever one may think about the labour problems propounded in Frank Hill's Upheaval, | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
"there can be only one opinion about the play itself | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
"and that is it is extremely well written and well balanced. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
"Produced and acted as it was on Saturday night when it opened at the Ward Theatre, | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
"it's without question the most outstanding all-Jamaican play ever." | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
So it's based on the events of the riots of 1938 | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
and the people coming to see the play probably are a fairly well educated, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
middle-class audience, so he's translating | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
-what's happening in these riots for this audience. -Right. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
It seems like seeking to build sympathy for the strikers, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
having people see them as having legitimate demands | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
and Upheaval is one of the ways he does that. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
So you can see this description of him in the play. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
"But the most dramatic bit of acting of the entire play was by the playwright himself. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
"Frank Hill played the part of Brattle the Obeah man, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
"and the scene where he interpreted the Almighty's will on Mrs Gordon | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
"ranks as one of the best pieces of acting seen locally." | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
What do you think of the part that he chooses to cast for himself? | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
If people know what an Obeah man is, it would be the voodoo witch doctor. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
Mmm-hmm. In playing it, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
we have to imagine that he must be humanising this character. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Again, this sort of lower-class, rural Jamaican character | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
who he is making more human for this audience. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
Yeah. It's also to do with, as it says here, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
the interpretation of the Almighty's will on Mrs Gordon. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
Obviously, at that particular time, um, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
and even before that, people felt that, er, the manifest destiny | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
-of a certain group of people was God's will. -Mm-hm. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
And unfortunately, if you were black, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
it was God's will to put you at the bottom. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
So he's challenging those ideas of the Almighty's will. I wish I could have seen it... | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
-Yeah, exactly. -..to see exactly what he was...how he interpreted it, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
-but I can imagine. -It would be great to be able to see that. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
And imagine having it staged here, in the theatre here. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
Throughout its history, from the opening production of Pirates Of Penzance in 1912 | 0:39:24 | 0:39:29 | |
to Frank's play Upheaval in 1939, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
the Ward Theatre has been a barometer of Jamaica's political life. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
Sadly, after the destruction wrought by two hurricanes, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
it now lies abandoned and awaiting restoration. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
All of this is building up to this event that's the other reason | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
we're here in the Ward Theatre, which is here in the Gleaner, so... | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
"Theatre packed at launching of People's Party. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
"Mr NW Manley and Sir Stafford Cripps | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
"keep great audience enthralled for hours." | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
OK. So this is the launching of the People's National Party here in the Ward Theatre. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
This is the party that moves Jamaica towards independence, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
and, of course, at this launch we have Stafford Cripps, | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
-who was one of the people that you learned about, I guess, in 1942, right? -That's right, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
who helped to get the Four Hs released. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
-This is where Cripps gets first involved... -Probably where he met him. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
..with the PNP, and then we have, of course, | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
the big star of the event, Norman Manley, right. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
Manley is this very charismatic, very smart political figure, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
but the public opinion folks, they're the ones | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
who are the kind of intellectual framework of what's going to be the party. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
So Frank is basically one of the thinkers | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
who was really behind the People's National Party | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
and the launch of the party. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
The leader of the People's National Party, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
launched that night in the Ward Theatre, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
was the young and charismatic lawyer, Norman Washington Manley. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:02 | |
Of mixed-race origin, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:03 | |
his grandmother was descended from slaves, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
Norman Manley was Oxford educated and spent much of his time | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
defending workers caught up in the uprising. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
Under Manley's leadership, Frank would play a key role | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
recruiting grass-roots membership for the party. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
As 1938 ends, he becomes even more involved in labour organising. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
So that's where he's devoting his energy. Here's another part of that interview. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
-The Arthur Kitchin interview? -Mm-hm. -Yeah. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
"So the party was formed and there was tremendous enthusiasm | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
"among young people like myself and Ken, my brother, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
"Richard Hart and older heads like Arthur Henry, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
"and we threw ourselves into the work of organising the party. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
"We had an excellent arrangement with Manley in those days. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
"He gave up his car for the weekend, he gave us his driver, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
"and about six of us would go out and talk to working-class audiences, | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
"specifically working-class audiences. Our message was social reform, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
"or self-government based on social reform." | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
He's now out meeting with workers, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
trying to get them organised into unions, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:03 | |
but also trying to get them organised into the People's National Party. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
So he's doing a lot of the practical matter of building the party | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
and creating popularity and support for it. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
This fledgling political and trades union movement had great success | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
in recruiting members from the island's poor workers. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
By the early 1940s, the PNP, as well as a number of trades unions, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
were openly challenging the status quo, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
leading to the Governor's imprisonment of the Four Hs. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
But by jailing them, the Governor simply made them heroes | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
of a movement that was becoming unstoppable. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
In 1944, two years after the Four Hs' imprisonment, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:56 | |
all Jamaicans were granted the right to vote. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
Later, though, when Frank and his comrades | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
should have been reaping the reward of their sacrifice, | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
events took a shocking turn. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
If we go ahead to the 1950s, we have these headlines from 1952. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:17 | |
"Secret communist group led by Hills, Hart, Henry, tribunal finds. | 0:43:20 | 0:43:25 | |
"Quit-party call on the Four Hs." | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
Yeah, so, Frank is one of the founding members of the PNP | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
and then this is 10 years later... | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
-Mm-mm. -We see that he's being asked to leave the party. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:36 | |
I don't know if you know anything about these headlines. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:39 | |
And this is when there was a lot of scaremongering with communism | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
going ahead in the '50s, but, um, I don't know the dynamics of it. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
-OK. -Um, so we'll have to find that out. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
Yeah. So you probably will need to talk to somebody, you know, | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
-who works on the PNP in this time period who could tell you more. -OK. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
Well, it's the perception you have of people, and I should have known better, | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
because people have a lot of misconceptions about me and about all kinds of things, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
and the perception - misconception shall I say? - of Frank is, erm, | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
getting much more interesting by the minute. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:21 | |
Here we can see Frank being a playwright | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
and I knew that he was actively involved in the PNP, | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
I didn't know he was so heavily involved in forming the PNP. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
Um...he's getting to be very intriguing, Frank. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
The PNP is currently the ruling party in Jamaica. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
John has come to their headquarters to meet Prof Trevor Munroe, | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
who, he hopes, can shed further light | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
on his grandfather's expulsion in 1952. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
Hello, sir. I'm John. How do you do? | 0:45:09 | 0:45:10 | |
Good to meet you, John. I'm Trevor Munroe. Welcome. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
-Nice to meet you. Thank you. -Please. -Thank you. -Come right in. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
Well, Trevor, yesterday I learnt that the Four Hs | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
had been asked to quit the party, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
and I know nothing about the dynamics | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
of how that came about or why that happened. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
Between 1942 and the end of the '40s, | 0:45:27 | 0:45:32 | |
the challenge that the PNP faced was taken up by Frank and Ken | 0:45:32 | 0:45:38 | |
and the two Hs, to give the party roots. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
And, quite interestingly, that group, they were left-wing people, | 0:45:41 | 0:45:46 | |
socialists, and what eventually happened as the '40s progressed | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
and as the left grew in influence amongst the workers | 0:45:50 | 0:45:54 | |
and brought the workers into the PNP, the right became very worried. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:59 | |
-The right of the PNP? -The right of the PNP because... | 0:45:59 | 0:46:01 | |
-Right, so the same party but... -Exactly. -OK. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
And then, of course, to complicate matters, the Cold War then really began. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:08 | |
After World War II, the fragile alliance between the West, led by the United States, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:21 | |
and the communist world, led by the Soviet Union, | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
began to disintegrate. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
Tensions increased as both sides | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
armed themselves with atomic weapons. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
With waning powers, Britain feared communist revolution in the colonies, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:40 | |
while in America, people like Senator Joseph McCarthy | 0:46:40 | 0:46:45 | |
hunted communists closer to home. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
In Jamaica, the leader of the PNP, Norman Manley, was facing pressure | 0:46:47 | 0:46:52 | |
to hunt for his own "Reds under the bed". | 0:46:52 | 0:46:56 | |
The Americans who have influence | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
with the Caribbean and Central America | 0:46:58 | 0:47:01 | |
were becoming very concerned that pro-Soviet sympathies | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
were becoming too strong in many of the Caribbean colonies, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
and therefore that would have been signalling to Manley, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
"I not only have to face the right internally, | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
"but I'm going to have to face external pressures from the US, | 0:47:14 | 0:47:19 | |
"and that's something more than I can manage." | 0:47:19 | 0:47:21 | |
And hence, when the charge was made by the right | 0:47:21 | 0:47:27 | |
that the left were really not PNP, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
in fact were communists in disguise, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
that charge, um, resonated. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
In early 1952, a PNP tribunal heard accusations made against the Four Hs, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:49 | |
including John's grandfather, Frank Hill. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
Norman Manley then published the findings | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
in a newsletter to party members. | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
He says here, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
"The charges of which these party members have been found guilty | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
"is that they sought to set up a secret group within the party | 0:48:06 | 0:48:09 | |
"pledged to political aims not those of the party, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
"and to teach others to subscribe to these aims. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
"On evidence which I and all the other members of the tribunal | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
"found overwhelming, we reached a decision | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
"whereby Ken Hill, Frank Hill, | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
"Richard Hart and Arthur Henry have all been called upon | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
"to resign their membership or face expulsion." | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
So that's basically what he regarded as charges that were proven. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:36 | |
-They're becoming communists. -These are external PNP... | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
-They were becoming... -..but internal communists. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
-Inside communism. -Not to be trusted, | 0:48:41 | 0:48:43 | |
because even though they're doing all this wonderful work | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
and the party would never be where it was without them... | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
Yeah. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:50 | |
..we can't really trust them because they really have a large allegiance. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
And so, to be fair to Norman Manley, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
he was also very distressed, because he had a considerable liking | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
for the energy and the commitment and the work that had been done. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
Well, going up to see Rachel Manley, who is Norman Manley's granddaughter. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
She will have more of an idea as to the ins and outs. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:24 | |
I've learnt about the split in the party | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
between, obviously, the right wing and the left wing, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
and I know that the Four Hs, my grandfather would have been really a man of the people | 0:49:28 | 0:49:33 | |
and wanted to help the workers, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:34 | |
which really wasn't necessarily the agenda of the right, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
who were more capitalist, so maybe she can tell me a little bit more about Frank. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
Rachel was brought up by her grandparents, | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
Norman and Edna Manley. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:57 | |
She has agreed to meet John at the old family cabin, | 0:49:57 | 0:50:00 | |
high in the mountains overlooking Kingston. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
Nice to see you. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:05 | |
How are you? Welcome. Welcome. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
I was at the PNP headquarters trying to find out a little bit more | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
about my grandfather Frank and the Four Hs | 0:50:12 | 0:50:15 | |
-after their being asked to leave the party. -Yeah. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
But of course, you will know a little bit more about the dynamics of it. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
It was an interesting time | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
because you really have once in the history of any country | 0:50:25 | 0:50:29 | |
where they are going to be fighting for self-determination. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
So you're dealing with completely idealistic people. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
But you are dealing with the whole McCarthy era, | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
the suspicion about communism. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:43 | |
And they were basically trying, at that stage, to convince England | 0:50:43 | 0:50:48 | |
to give us not independence but levels of internal self-government. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:54 | |
And Trevor was saying at that particular time, | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
the external pressures, the McCarthy era | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
-and people worrying about communism. -McCarthy... | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
-..rather than the inner pressures from the Right... -Yeah. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
-..but outer pressure from America and England. -England. But think of England. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:07 | |
Are England going to give up, um, their dominance, | 0:51:07 | 0:51:12 | |
their colonial Empire for people who they feel | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
are going to end up being communists? | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
What people I think don't know | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
was, I think, the deep heartbreak of my grandfather, | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
was that he had this split party. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
I think it affected him. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
And that's borne out by the fact he remained friends with these men, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:33 | |
particularly your grandfather, who I saw often. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:37 | |
He...he used to bring me a sweet which took forever to suck... | 0:51:37 | 0:51:43 | |
-Yeah. -..and I think it was cos I chatted so much, he figured if he kept me quiet with his sweets, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:48 | |
-he'd get a chance to talk to my grandparents, you know. -Yeah. Yeah. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
Through the years, it is Frank who would keep returning to our home | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
and the friendship, personally, was not interrupted to any great degree. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:01 | |
By the time Jamaica gained independence from Britain | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
on August 6th 1962, Frank had been marginalised, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:15 | |
and Norman Manley was destined never to become Prime Minister. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
Manley's cousin, Alexander Bustamante | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
of the rival Jamaican Labour Party, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
won the election by the narrowest of margins. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
And his party would hold power for the next ten years. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:33 | |
Norman Manley was forced to retire in 1968 due to ill health | 0:52:34 | 0:52:39 | |
and died the following year. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
After their expulsion, Frank returned to journalism. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
Ken was eventually readmitted back to the PNP in 1968. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:51 | |
Arthur Henry continued as a trades union leader | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
right up until his death in 1966. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:56 | |
Richard Hart became an noted writer, before moving to England. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
As this journey's going on, I'm finding out | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
that he's a little bit more dynamic than I thought he was. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
I think your grandfather had a certain amount of heartbreak. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
I have an entry in my grandmother's diaries which may really surprise you. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:24 | |
Here we are. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:27 | |
-August 1968... -"Norman. August 1968, | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
"and Norman had been ill and we were visiting for a quiet moment | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
"on the patio at about 9 pm, before he went back to bed, | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
"when suddenly car lights flashed | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
"and Frank Hill called out, 'What about the dog? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
" 'I'm terrified of dogs.' " | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
Sounds like Frank! | 0:53:44 | 0:53:45 | |
"I went out and got him out of the car | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
"and as I put my arm around him, I felt him skeleton thin. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
" 'How's Norman? I want to see Norman.' | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
"We went in and he put his arms around Norman and said, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
" 'I've come to apologise for what I said at Pine Grove, | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
" 'that you were wrong to retire. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
" 'Since you've been ill, I've been regretting it ever since.' | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
"And he put his arms around Norman and kissed him three times | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
"and said, 'Rest well and get well. We need you.' | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
"He stopped at the car door and said, 'You know what I should have done? | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
" 'Long ago I should have done it. I should have shot Richard. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
" 'Yes, I should have shot Richard and nothing would have gone wrong.' | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
"I said, 'Frank, don't think of those things, my dear, just keep well.' | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
"He drove off and Norman said, | 0:54:20 | 0:54:22 | |
" 'Frank was in a very emotional mood, wasn't he?' | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
"And I said, 'Yes, come to bed, you look all-in tired.' " | 0:54:25 | 0:54:28 | |
He didn't mean literally that he should have shot Richard with a gun. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
You know, you have to realise, John, it was just how the politics fell. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:37 | |
-Yeah. -You know? You should be very proud. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
-I am very proud. -Yeah. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:42 | |
This would make a very interesting political thriller | 0:54:58 | 0:55:01 | |
because it's a critical time in Jamaica's history | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
in terms of, er, self-determination, independence. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
You have a group of four people | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
who would feel that they're fundamental to that, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
going through so much self-sacrifice for the country, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
and then ten years later, being asked to leave the party | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
by probably the most charismatic man, who is a good friend of theirs. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
I'll tell you what it makes me think of. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
I did an interview with Nelson Mandela many years ago, | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
and in the conversation I was talking about the change in South Africa. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
And what he said was, "Many good men, better than me, have not lived to see this day." | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
He says there were people greater than him | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
who were more influential in the change | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
that weren't around to see that day. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
And I suppose a lot of people may view the fact | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
that Frank and Ken and the other two Hs | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
were probably more influential in the change | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
but they weren't around to benefit from it. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
After a long career as a newspaper journalist and noted radio broadcaster, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:17 | |
Frank Hill died on June 8th 1980 aged 69. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:22 | |
By that time, John had left Jamaica | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
to pursue his dream of playing professional football. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
The two gentlemen who we've seen, Frank and Stephen, I can see myself, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:58 | |
in terms of my character, in both of them. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
More surprised about Frank than Stephen, | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
'because he's not the person I thought he was. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
'How instrumental he was and how involved he was with the PNP, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
'that came as a surprise to me. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
'I always knew him as a feeble old man by a typewriter. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
'So learning about him | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
'was probably the most revealing and surprising aspect of it. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
'Because of my father's sporting prowess, | 0:57:27 | 0:57:30 | |
'I've always felt that I'm a Barnes, that I'm my father's son. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:34 | |
'Sad as it is for me to say it,' | 0:57:34 | 0:57:36 | |
I have never really looked up to the Hill men, if you like. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
You know, my mother's brothers and grandpa and all the Hills that I know | 0:57:39 | 0:57:43 | |
aren't my type of men, if you know what I mean, whereas my father was. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
'From a character point of view, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
'growing up with my cousins, aunts and everyone, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 | |
'there was a lot of noise, a lot of arguments, | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
'and I suppose from that part of my character, | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
'as much as I would like to deny it, that comes from that side, | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
'and looking at Frank and Stephen, | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
'I think that I really am a Hill in all but name.' | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
I'm finally admitting it. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:13 | |
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