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On the south-west tip of Wales, in Britain's smallest city,

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St David's, it is market day.

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Alongside the stalls of jams, meats and cheeses on sale

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is local farm produce with a difference.

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Hello. Would anyone like to try some edible insects?

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And insect scientist Dr Sarah Beynon and her partner,

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award-winning chef Andy Holcroft,

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are causing quite a buzz about town with their edible bugs.

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These are Mexican red grasshoppers that have been lightly spiced with

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chilli as well, so these are quite a salty snack.

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So, you know, two billion people are eating insects everyday.

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So, the burgers are a blend of mealworms, crickets,

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grasshoppers and buffalo worms.

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-That one had its little eyes going, "Hello!"

-LAUGHTER

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They are lovely.

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-Would you like another one?

-That was a hint, wasn't it?

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LAUGHTER

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But Sarah and Andy are on a bigger mission - to take edible insects

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from their local marketplace to the mainstream.

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With rising demand for high protein food and new breeding and mass

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production technology,

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the day of the insect has arrived for the bug grub couple.

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INSECT BUZZES

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Just outside St David's in Pembrokeshire is Bug Farm -

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the family farm of entomologist Dr Sarah Beynon -

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with a zoo, gallery, research centre and restaurant.

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Oh, the cabbages this time in the morning...

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-SHE INHALES

-It's a lovely smell.

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And fox. Can definitely smell fox musk as well.

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COW MOOS

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HEN CLUCKS

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Every morning we need to go out and get fresh food for the locusts,

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for the ants and for the stick insects,

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so they need new food every day.

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And in this field we're growing a wild birdseed mix,

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so it works really well that it benefits the birds in the winter,

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it benefits pollinators in the summer,

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and we get kale and cabbage for our locusts.

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OK, so that will be enough cabbages for now.

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And we need to replace the cabbages every couple of hours

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for the locusts, like, they eat a lot!

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What we don't want to be doing is we don't want to be feeding our insects

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on something that we can eat as humans.

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We want to actually be looking at, "What's a waste stream that we don't currently make use of?"

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Because if we're just eating insects and feeding them on food

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that we could eat, it would be much more efficient for us to just eat

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that food rather than having that intermediate step of the insect in the middle.

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So, during the night, the locusts poo a lot,

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so we need to clear out the poos and pull out any dead locusts as well.

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Right, so this is always a challenge in the morning.

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You do end up having locusts kind of raining down on your face as you go in.

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Basically, we just scrape off all the fresh poos on the surface

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and then any dead adults as well.

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So, that's one that's done.

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And then this is the new feed going in...

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and that's just overnight.

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So, they've eaten three of these overnight and turned them into stalks like this.

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-SHE SIGHS

-My ear.

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-One of the perks of the job.

-SHE LAUGHS

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Welcome to The Bug Farm.

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Across the farmyard from the bug zoo is the grub restaurant,

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where award-winning chef Andy Holcroft offers a double menu -

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normal food next to insect versions -

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beef burgers and bug burgers.

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So, locusts, the best way I've found to cook them is actually to pan-fry them.

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At the moment, these insect ingredients are imported,

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but the couple's long-term aim is to commercially breed their own bugs locally.

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So obviously I like to enhance the flavour of the locusts,

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and what better than honey and a little bit of chilli?

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And obviously I fry it in a little bit of butter as well.

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The first thing you'll taste will be this nice honey flavour with a little bit

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of heat from the cayenne pepper and then you start to eat them a little bit,

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you'll get the flavour of the locusts will come through and they're really nice

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and almost meaty, almost like a prawn.

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I mean, effectively they are basically a land prawn.

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You see in Africa, kids go to school with strings of locusts, you know, and that's their lunch.

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And I think, yeah, as a high-protein snack to eat on-the-fly,

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I think locusts will be brilliant.

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With the locusts, pull the legs off.

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They tend to get stuck in the throat otherwise, OK?

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Sort of zingy.

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It tastes, yeah, earthy, sort of, I'm not quite sure.

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Hi, there. Who's having the bug burgers?

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The bug burger is our signature dish.

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Everyone likes to eat a burger,

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so this is a recipe we've been developing and working on for about three years.

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It's one of the buggiest dishes we serve at Grub Kitchen,

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probably about between 55 and 60% insect.

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So what I'm going to start with, these are lesser mealworms,

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so I'm going to pop a few of these in this little blender.

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And then these are large mealworms, grasshoppers.

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These are crickets,

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so this is almost like your insect mince.

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-So this is going to go on.

-BLENDER RATTLES

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The reason we make them about 55-60% insect

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is so we can actually explain to people this

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has probably got the same amount of protein in it as your beef burger,

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so that's what we want to do,

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is try and replace conventional protein

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with much more sustainable edible insect protein

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to show to people that there is a way of reducing the amount

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of meat we're consuming.

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If it wasn't for the whole insects we put in here as well,

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you wouldn't really be able to tell, apart from the taste,

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there are any bugs in here.

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So the reason I actually put some whole bugs in at the end

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is purely so people can see them.

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If you told someone that it was a veggie burger,

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they would probably think it was a very delicious,

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suspiciously delicious, veggie burger.

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-LAUGHTER

-Lovely, yeah. Really nice, yeah.

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I think it helps having friends around to join in,

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-but she's, yeah, loving them.

-SHE TAKES NOISY BITE

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THEY LAUGH

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While still a senior research associate at Oxford University,

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Sarah also enjoys enthusing about insects,

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changing people's minds by taking the creepy out of crawlies

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in hands-on sessions with visitors.

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Dave is a giant Madagascan hissing cockroach.

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I started off having these as pets.

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-This is how it all started.

-SHE LAUGHS

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I'm blown away daily by the feedback we get from visitors.

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We've had people who come in who hate insects or are terrified

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by them and who end up handling Dave, the giant cockroach.

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So what does everyone think?

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-Do we like Dave?

-Yes.

-Yes.

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Yes? Brilliant. That's it.

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There's just that shift in perception, which you can see.

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It's a light bulb moment of,

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"Oh, I didn't know these things were so interesting."

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If something bit their head off,

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a female cockroach would live for long enough without her head...

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-Really?

-..to be able to have babies, because the brains

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in her legs could keep her going, keep her alive for, like,

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two weeks without a head.

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He's really, like, really easy to handle.

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Go on, see if you can do it!

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-Oh!

-SARAH LAUGHS

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It's really difficult to know when that exact moment was when I thought,

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"I'm fascinated by insects. This is what I want to do."

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But I think it goes back to ladybird-hunting with my gran.

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That fascinating childhood of farming

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alongside learning and an appreciation for life,

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whether it was farmed animals or wildlife,

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I think is probably what has got me to where I am today

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and to running The Bug Farm.

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I met Sarah in a restaurant.

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I was cooking as a chef. She was a waitress.

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I think I was looking for a bottle of brandy to make some

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peppercorn sauce and smashed a giant bottle of martini at her feet.

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And I think I looked up and, yeah, there was definitely a click.

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Our eyes met over the blood and broken glass,

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and that was it. And then he bought me rissoles every day,

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these meat rissoles, and I don't eat much meat,

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and he tried to woo me with rissoles that I would then secrete

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under the different counters of this restaurant so that I didn't have to

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eat them and I could pretend that I was wooed.

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I was an academic scientist

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and we never really thought that our career paths would cross.

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And it really, you know, it took five or six years before we went, "Hey, hang on,

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"we're at either ends of the food chain here.

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"We can do something pretty good."

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Immediately, my curiosity was piqued and I thought, "Well, this could be the new thing."

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So the next day I literally went on the internet, ordered some bugs,

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they turned up, and I started experimenting.

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After the insect idea came the opportunity.

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Sarah's uncle farm came up for sale -

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a chance to create a bug hub.

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The farm itself was tired and it's like a lot of old farms,

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it takes a huge amount of time and money to do them up.

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Sarah has that vision.

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She knew straightaway that this is going to be something special,

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so I suppose that took a bit of time to get there,

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but now I wouldn't have done it any other way.

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While creating Bug Farm,

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Sarah and Andy have still managed to keep the family's Welsh Black cattle going,

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so Sarah knows first-hand how much fewer resources insects use

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compared to a beef herd to produce the same protein.

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COW MOOS

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Bugs feed on waste, while cows need feed from edible arable crops.

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Farmed insects need hardly any land.

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Their water use is minimal and, unlike cattle,

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they hardly add to climate change.

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But, while far less sustainable,

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people like eating beef, so the challenge is to make bugs as tasty.

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The great thing about Andy is he makes food taste delicious.

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He's a superb chef and that's what we need

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when you're taking a new type of food to the masses.

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So this is a red pepper and cream cheese chapuline vol-au-vent,

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so we've actually blitzed up some of the grasshoppers really finely,

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and that's in the mixture to give it some taste and a bit of bite,

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and then we're putting some on top as well so you can actually see the grasshoppers that you're eating.

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All bugs taste really different, yeah.

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There's just under 2,000 species of edible insect.

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That's potentially a whole load of more, you know, tastes.

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Tonight, Andy is preparing a bug feast,

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trying out new recipes on his family, friends and neighbours.

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We've had a huge amount of support. We've been so lucky.

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This is such a vibrant community,

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with such wonderful supportive people,

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and we couldn't have done it without them,

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but it's been a bloody tough journey to get to this stage just because we

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haven't done it with pots of money behind us.

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Go on, you can have a cricket, as well.

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I'm not letting you get away without a couple of crickets.

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-OK, so...

-I'm not trying any of this.

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Would you like to try them cooked?

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-OK.

-Brilliant.

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-That's really interesting because quite a lot of people don't want to see them.

-Oh, wait till the end.

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They sound amazing.

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I want to try everything.

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There were some...

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The black ants. And then we've got crickets, which you can try here.

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Wow!

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What a buggy feast.

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I really liked it. It's not as terrifying as you imagine before you start eating it.

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It's all right, yeah.

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The flavour wasn't bad, but visually I couldn't get over it.

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The legs and things, no.

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I've been vegetarian for 20 years but,

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for ethical and environmental reasons,

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this is fine because it fits in

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with all my principles and it's delicious.

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I've really enjoyed actually tasting these.

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You know, these are the tiny mealworms.

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I really enjoy it.

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Hello, everyone.

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Hope you all enjoyed the food.

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So, next course, obviously, is the pudding.

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We are looking at taking some products to market,

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so these cricket cookies contain 10% crickets.

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They've also got white chocolate, pumpkin seeds and sunflower seeds,

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which give a nice interesting bite as well.

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And you're probably wondering what these crazy mounds are.

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So this is a mango, passion fruit and black ant pavlova kind of mess, kind of thing.

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So, enjoy. Come up and we'll get you some pudding.

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At this stage now, with this sort of,

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a bit of market research, people liking the food,

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we can now put into practice a few steps, which will get those products

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pitched and hopefully on supermarket shelves soon.

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But to take their cricket cookies and other bug grub to market,

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Sarah and Andy need to know that their suppliers can upscale,

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deliver commercial quantities,

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so they are off to the Netherlands to meet the insect farmers.

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I'm super excited to meet with our mealworm and cricket suppliers.

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Will they be able to meet our demand going forward?

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It's all about the taste.

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Are they still going to taste great with this massive upscaling?

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And will they be safe for us to eat?

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Traditionally, insect farmers have produced protein for the pet food industry,

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but demand is expanding rapidly for protein in animal and fish feed,

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and for human consumption.

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Most people think about mealworms as worms,

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but they're actually beetles,

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so the mealworms are the larvae of these beetles.

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And we harvest them at the larva stage,

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because that's when they've got the most nutrients in them,

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so this little larva here is packed full of protein.

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This is the breeding stock,

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so this is the absolute core part of the farm.

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And 25% of the beetles, the adult beetles, will die each week,

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so you are constantly having to be breeding more

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to replenish that stock.

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Yeah, this is the heart of the beetle farm.

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So, what's in here?

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Here are the beetles and they put eggs in the boxes.

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-So the adult beetles?

-Yeah.

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-Fantastic.

-Wow.

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This is amazing.

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And you're feeding them with?

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Carrots and meal.

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OK. How many beetles are in each tray?

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About 2,000 beetles.

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Wow. And there's a lot of trays in here.

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All these trays have 2,000 beetles in them?

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Yeah, all the trays.

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Oh, wow. So these beetles will lay the eggs in here?

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-Yeah.

-And then you'll transfer the eggs to a different room?

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To a different room, with another climate.

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Here.

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-OK, so these are the mealworms?

-Yes.

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Wow, that's so warm!

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Yeah, that's a lot of heat in it.

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So they're generating that heat?

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-Yeah.

-How old are they when you harvest them?

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Then, they are nine weeks.

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So, in nine weeks, you go from the adult beetle laying the egg

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to a box full of larvae?

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-Yes.

-So, do you think, what you feed the mealworms on,

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do you think that changes the flavour of the end product?

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Yes, it changes the flavour.

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Wow. From my point of view, as a chef, this is revolutionary.

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Yes, there are chefs out there doing amazing things,

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but there's not many chefs in the UK really using insects

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in new products, in new dishes,

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and this is where it all begins.

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And what do you think they taste like?

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Er, like walnuts.

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Here, we have the crickets.

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I breed them in boxes.

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This is a box.

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How many crickets would you have in one box?

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At the moment, now, it's 150g.

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But in that box, there can be half a kilo.

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You are now moving into crickets for human consumption.

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-Yes.

-And what's changed for you to allow that to happen?

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The big change is, before it was for human,

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I used a lot of medicine.

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Because you are breeding crickets in this,

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the stress is very high inside the boxes

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and, with medicine, you can reduce the stress.

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But, for food for human, we don't need hormones and

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all that stuff in the medicine.

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How have you reduced their stress,

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which allows you now not to be using medicines?

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I'm now a 40-year breeder

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and I almost sleep with them in those 40 years,

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so I'm thinking like a cricket, actually.

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One rule, an easy rule,

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is not more than half a kilo in those boxes.

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So, just to get this right,

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these crickets are perfectly safe for us to use in human food?

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Yes, they are perfectly safe to use in human food.

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I eat them myself every day in my yoghurt.

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With their suppliers on board, Sarah and Andy return to Wales

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to take their cricket cookies to a wider audience.

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But their restaurant kitchen is too small to bake on a commercial scale,

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so they've come to the food centre near Llandysul

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in West Wales for help.

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Good morning. How are you? Are you OK?

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-Yeah, nice to see you.

-Everything going well?

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Really well. So excited.

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The insects at the moment aren't looking much like insects.

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So this is cricket powder. This is a protein.

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But this is pure crickets that have been ground up into a powder.

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There is actually protein in normal flour,

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but this will make the cookie, on average,

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about three times more protein than a normal cookie.

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Have you done anything like this here before?

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No. No.

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You're the first of the cricket family to come here.

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Did you think we were flipping mad when we mentioned what we wanted to do?

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It is an unusual product,

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but that's what all our new product development is all about.

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Innovation is the word all the way through

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and your product is totally an innovative product as well.

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-Wow.

-I'm just going to get out of the way.

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Who wants to press go first?

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-Go on.

-Ladies first.

-Shall we do it together?

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-What do we have to press?

-Ready?

-Three, two, one, go.

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I'll do the second and third

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and you do the first line.

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-Argh! Oh!

-They're coming out.

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We were aiming for about 400,

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but I think we're going to be close to 600.

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So, yeah, we'll have done quite a few cookies.

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And rolling that out by hand would have taken four,

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five hours just in the rolling and cutting time.

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So, yeah, it's sped it up an amazing amount.

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On average, in each cookie, about 25-30 crickets.

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I think, in general, about ten crickets per gram.

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Well, next, we're going to test them.

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So we're going to take them up to Hay Festival and we're going to test

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them on a crowd up there, and see what they think.

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SARAH LAUGHS

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Andy and Sarah are sharing the stage at the Hay Literary Festival with a

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children's author whose bestselling book features a beetle and is today launching a sequel.

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I actually know not much about bugs, so I need an expert,

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someone who can make sure that all the facts are true,

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and then I saw Sarah on telly.

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And I was watching Countryfile,

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and she came on and she'd just started this bug farm in Pembrokeshire.

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And I was like, "Oh, she's an entomologist.

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"She likes dung beetles! Brilliant!"

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So, I wrote her an e-mail and said, "Please, please, please,

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"I'm writing this book, you have to make sure that the facts are correct."

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And she very generously said yes.

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And I'm very, very proud of my relationship with Sarah because,

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ultimately, the inspiration for Beetle Queen has come out of my

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relationship with Sarah and how much she's taught me.

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Who here has ever eaten a burger?

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Yeah, that's pretty much everyone.

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OK. To produce that one burger,

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a cow has to drink over 3,250 litres of water.

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Now, to get the same amount of protein value for a bug burger,

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they have to drink...

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..about one cup.

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So, straightaway, just by choosing that burger,

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you're reducing the amount of water that is being consumed to produce that.

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So does anyone want to try something very quickly?

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Your hand went straight up.

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-Shall I take...?

-Do you want to actually take around a cricket?

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Yeah. And these are little lesser mealworms.

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After the dried bug nibbles,

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the audience are offered in the foyer the cricket cookies.

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What happened in there, I hated the bugs,

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but now that I've eaten this, I think I quite like them now.

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Like, the impact on the environment, it's just so much better.

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But it tastes the same.

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I didn't eat the bugs on their own when they passed them around,

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but this cookie is so nice.

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It's so great to come to an event like this,

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where you start off by asking, "Who doesn't like bugs?"

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And most of the audience put their hands up.

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And I noticed that they were sitting there looking really concerned.

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By the end, "Who likes bugs? Hands up."

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Everybody loves them and, well,

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that's all we've got left of the cricket cookies.

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Regardless of the bugs, they're a good product.

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So, yeah, very happy.

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With rave reviews from Hay,

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the cricket cookies then go for scientific and commercial assessment

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at the Food Industry Centre at Cardiff Metropolitan University.

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We're really looking forward to doing a consumer panel

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with your cricket cookies.

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I hope it'll be really helpful for your new product development

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and your product going forward.

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-See you on the other side.

-See you soon.

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For the perception tests,

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each volunteer is given half a regular cookie from a high street retailer

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and half a cricket cookie.

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They are then asked a series of questions,

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including preference, purchasing and price.

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The test results were then given to an expert panel,

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to scrutinise all aspects of the cricket cookie product.

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So the test results are back.

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I'm absolutely petrified, truly.

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And in that room we've got a panel of experts,

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which are going to let us know the test results, so...

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-Let's go, let's do it.

-After you.

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-Hi, there.

-Hello.

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-Good morning. Please sit down.

-Thank you.

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Thanks very much for seeing us.

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I'm sure you're quite excited to hear these results.

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Terrified!

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Well, twice as many people preferred the one with insects...

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ANDY EXHALES

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-That's fantastic.

-That's amazing.

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-..compared to the retail product.

-Really?

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-Yeah.

-That's what we wanted to hear.

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The reasons for preferring it was that they had a sweet,

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chocolaty flavour, that it was crumbly and buttery,

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and saying that the retail one was a bit bland,

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and that one was too sweet for their taste.

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But 94% of the people that took part in the panel said that they would, you know,

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that they would consider buying foods with insects in them.

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-So, that's really...

-94%?

-94%, so that's really great results for you.

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Could you share some more about the branding?

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I'd be really interested to know your thoughts.

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-I like that.

-Yeah. It has that sort of luxury...

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INDISTINCT

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Maybe the individual packs or twin packs to go off to the, sort of, coffee shop,

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hospitality channel, might be more appropriate.

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We're meeting with Celtic Manor next week,

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to pitch to them the cookies for conferencing,

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so we'll be talking to them about whether we go along with our cookies

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for their big conferences.

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As the former host of the Ryder Cup and a Nato conference,

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the Celtic Manor is one of Wales' most prestigious hotel resorts.

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-Hello.

-Hi, there.

-Hi, nice to see you again.

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-And you.

-Hello.

-Welcome back.

-How are you doing?

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We've done a very first draft of packaging

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-and we've rejigged the recipe a little bit as well.

-Right.

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I like this, the "Who we are," as well, because it's telling a story

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and, you know, certainly, for our market, people want to see that,

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and that's the sort of thing that would definitely help it sell.

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Yeah, I mean, and we said this before, in terms of,

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I think it would be a unique selling point,

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in terms of crickets, for one of our shops.

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So, in terms of upscaling, where are you with that now,

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in delivering volume?

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Well, I think, I think what we really need is those first initial expressions of interest,

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maybe a few pre-orders, or, you know, just as an indication to say,

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"Do we take the punt?"

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-That's really good, actually, really tasty.

-Ah.

-Glad you enjoyed it.

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They are wicked, they are really, really good, yeah.

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So, if we're looking at hitting, say,

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the conference market in September,

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when could we get boxes of cricket cookies on the shelves in the shop here at Celtic Manor?

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We'd go with the conference market in September

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and, you know, what a great thing for a conference delegate to say,

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"Oh, you know, we had the cookie at our break

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"and we can take it home to our spouse or to our children."

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So it makes sense that both are running parallel.

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Well, we'll shake on that!

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-Thank you.

-No, no, you're welcome.

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-Thanks for your passion.

-Thank you very much.

-Fantastic.

-Thank you.

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Well, that was absolutely amazing.

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I mean, I think we've got our first big client there, with conferences,

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with the conference centre, and in the shops as well.

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Yeah. There's so much opportunity here.

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And we've also heard that the First Minister is on-site today here at

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Celtic Manor, so we're going try and go and track him down,

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and see if we can get him to taste a cricket cookie.

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-Hi, there, how are you?

-Very good, thanks.

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-Hello. I'm Andy from Grub Kitchen.

-How are you doing?

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Hello, I'm Sarah Beynon from The Bug Farm at St David's.

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So here we have cricket cookies.

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-So these are cricket cookies.

-Well, shall we?

-Chocolate chip.

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What are your thoughts? I mean, as a scientist,

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I'm very keen that we are getting Wales on the map

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to become a leader in this new, innovative industry.

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Do you think that's something that would be of benefit to Wales?

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Yes, I do, because I've read a lot of articles that suggest

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that insects will become more important as a source of protein in the future.

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People are far more open to new tastes and new ideas.

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A little bit further to go, I suspect, in terms of insects.

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But we know in Mexico and a lot of other countries,

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it's, you know, run-of-the-mill to eat insects.

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It's just a question of broadening people's minds.

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Andy and Sarah have come a long way in the last two years.

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The next step is whether supermarkets

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and high street shoppers are ready to take on the bugs.

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So now the challenge is to go more and more mainstream.

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Bugs are valuable.

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They're protein, not pests, so let's do it.

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