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That's all we have at the moment. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
Life on benefits can be tough. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
The government in Westminster | 0:00:06 | 0:00:07 | |
is undertaking a shake-up of the welfare system. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
The aim is to focus payments on those in greatest need | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
and help claimants into work. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
They're also aiming to cut £12 billion | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
from the spend on benefits. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
Do you think you could do this yourself? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
Tighter rules have been introduced. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
Filling in those forms is an absolute nightmare. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
..new systems... | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
It can drive you mental. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
..and stiffer penalties. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
It's not right, just cutting our money like that. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
Vulnerable and disabled people, even those who are ill, say | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
they are being pushed to the limit. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
I don't see why we should be punished for having a spare bedroom. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
If it's just me that's not getting the help, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
who else is suffering in this world? | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
In the Bridgend area, we followed people for ten months | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
to see the impact on some of those who are experiencing the changes. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:57 | |
And how challenging benefits decisions can be complicated | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
and stressful. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
Why should I have to fight against it? But that's what it takes. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
And a lot of people would have given up, you know? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
A lot of people would have given up. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
This is the reality for those who are Battling with Benefits. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
Over the last four years, | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
the Westminster Government has revamped the entire benefits system. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
The aim is to provide better support to get people back to work, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
as well as making savings of £9 billion a year. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
One of the big changes is to housing benefit, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
with the introduction of the under-occupancy charge, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
which is commonly known as the bedroom tax. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:51 | |
It affects 40,000 households in Wales | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
who rent their homes from the council or housing associations. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
Those who have a spare room | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
now have money deducted from their housing benefit. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
But what impact is the bedroom tax having | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
in Wales' deprived communities? | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
Kay Harris lives in an ex-mining community | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
on the Bettws estate near Bridgend. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
-I love it here. -INTERVIEWER: -And why's that? | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
Because we're a community that always... | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
Like, if anything happens, we're there, like, you know? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
Kay's lived in Bettws her entire life. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
Her three-bedroom rented house is home to husband Terrance | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
and also son Gareth. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
Since 2013, they've been £49 a month worse off. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:41 | |
Well, this is the bedroom that I'm paying the bedroom tax for. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
The tax is the shortfall in her rent that she has to pay. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
One option to recoup it is to rent out the room. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
How can you rent a room out this size? | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
You know, people are not going to pay, say, £40 a week | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
for sleeping in this size room, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
when they can only fit a wardrobe... | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
Cos you can't put nothing up against the radiator, it's against the law. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
You can't put nothing at the window, because it breaks out the light. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
The government's intention | 0:03:13 | 0:03:14 | |
is that those who've been charged should move somewhere smaller. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
But that's difficult, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:19 | |
because there's a shortage of one- and two-bedroom properties | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
all over Wales. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
So where they got the ideas from for these things, I don't know. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
Kay decided to try and challenge the decision | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
and took her case to court, to an independent tribunal. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
But the judge ruled that she had no grounds | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
to be exempt from the charge. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
I knew as soon as I walked through the door and seen the judge's face, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
I knew his decision. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
My grandchildren come over on the weekend. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
I have one on a Friday night, one on a Saturday night. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
So the bedroom is getting used. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
But they don't take that into consideration. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Butter. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Cheese. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
For a family surviving on benefits, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
the extra cost of paying the charge for the bedroom | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
comes out of the already tight household budget. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Flour. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -So on a normal week, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
could you afford everything on that list? | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
There's usually pretty more... | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
Like, there's my frozen veg, my meat for Sunday dinners, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
and sausages, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
but half the time, we can't afford them, so I just leave them. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
But even though the family are struggling, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
Kay hasn't given up the fight against the bedroom tax. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
To have this bedroom tax stopped and our money as normal, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
it would make a heck of a difference. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
If I don't fight, who's going to fight? | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
You know? And something's got to be done. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
Another big change to the benefit system | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
is the phasing out of Disability Living Allowance | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
and the introduction of a new benefit | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
called Personal Independence Payments. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
But what impact does this dramatic changeover have | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
on some of the most vulnerable people in Wales? | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
43-year-old Andrew Williams is in so much pain from walking, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
he has to stop every 15 metres. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
He used to work in a steel fabrication plant, a job he loved. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
It's not just the physical... | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
HE WINCES IN PAIN | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
..bit. It's... | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
It's not being able to do what I used to do. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
His life changed drastically in 2008 when he injured his back doing DIY. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:59 | |
Injuries made worse by two car accidents. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
I used to do a lot of physical work, and I can't do it any more, | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
and it's frustrating. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
I used to work 12-hour shifts lifting heavy steel. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
At the moment... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:18 | |
..I'm still having... | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
..problems adjusting mentally | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
to what I can and can't do. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
Despite getting treatment for his depression and anxiety, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
there are some days when Andrew hits rock bottom. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
'Struggling to do the things that you want to do...' | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
..whether it be physical things, mental things... | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
um... | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
that kicks the depression off. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
And that's when you start getting silly thoughts like, you know... | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
taking too many tablets, or... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
..contemplating going out in the shed with a razor blade, or... | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
It's... | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
It's been happening quite a few times over the last five, six weeks. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
No. Foot in straight would help. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Andrew relies on his partner, Donna, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
and was on Disability Living Allowance, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
which went some way to help with the extra expense of his needs. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
But when Andrew's condition worsened, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
he tried to get an increase in his DLA. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
Because he was changing his claim, | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
he had to apply, instead, for the new benefit, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
Personal Independence Payments, which he did. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
But although he got the PIP award, he hadn't scored enough points | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
to get financial support for his care needs, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
despite the fact that he'd had a £21-per-week care allowance | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
when he was on DLA. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:57 | |
They took off what I had. I had low rate care. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
They've taken that away, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
even though DLA told me I had that indefinitely. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
Financially worse off and frustrated by the system, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
he's decided to appeal against the decision. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
For anyone surviving week to week on benefits, unforeseen costs | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
can make a dent in even the best household budget. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
For the past two weeks, Kay has had to spend an extra £30 per week | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
on bus fares. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:40 | |
She's been shuttling back and forth from home to Morriston Hospital | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
in Swansea, where her husband Terrance | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
has just had open-heart surgery. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Last Monday, a week last Monday, when he had his heart attack, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
his last heart attack... I thought it was all over. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
I know they told me on the phone yesterday the operation went well, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
but until you see it for yourself, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
you know, you don't believe it, do you? | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
A week later, Terrance is back home. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
But he is in pain and a long way from a full recovery. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
They replaced a valve with a mechanical valve. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
And they replaced an artery. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
And then, broke my ribs. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Broke my chest bone! | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
One hell of a cut! | 0:09:38 | 0:09:39 | |
As you can see... | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
The chest bone expands, when I cough. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
And it's... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
..trying to tear. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:52 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
Now, they need the spare room more than ever. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
The bed has been fitted with a grab rail. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
Terrance has trouble sleeping because he's in constant pain, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
so sleeps here to avoid disturbing Kay. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
If I have got... If I get in trouble | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
and I need Kay, all I have to do | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
is give the wall a bang. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
At least I know I am only a door away. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
There is plenty of times I have woke up and I have gone like this | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
to his mouth, just to make sure that he is actually breathing. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
And it is frightening. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
PAINED GASPING | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
I think people should have a spare bedroom, just in case... | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
You don't know what's around the corner. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
You don't know what's going to happen. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
I don't see why we should be punished for having | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
a spare bedroom, anyway. We never used to. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
Andrew Williams | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
is fighting the decision on his PIP benefit. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
Although he got a payment for his mobility, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
he got nothing for his care needs. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:17 | |
OK... | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
'This was never about money.' | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
This, to me...has always been... | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
..about being believed. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
He has already had his case heard before a judge, | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
at a tribunal in Cardiff. And now, he is preparing for a final hearing | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
in two months' time. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
I have decided you need supervision, prompting or assistance | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
from another person to manage your therapy. And that is therapy... | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
He is reviewing his original application | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
for Personal Independence Payments. Using a points system, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
it's designed to assess his capabilities with daily activities. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
Activity number four, which is washing and bathing. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
They have given me three points on that one. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
And the... | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
It's not always clear to Andrew | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
which sections of the form he should use | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
to describe his complex disabilities and care needs. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
In my situation...it would be... | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
..either 3C or 3D, probably. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
It could actually be 3B. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
It is far from straightforward, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
and he is finding the whole application process frustrating. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
They want you to put everything into nice little boxes - | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
on Mondays and Tuesdays, I can't do that. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
On Wednesdays, I can do that. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
Life is not like that. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
The appeals process is proving difficult, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
so Andrew has decided to get help. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
In town with his partner, Donna, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
Andrew is in more pain that usual, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
so he has chosen to use his wheelchair. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
God, things like that. Things like that bloody divot. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
They don't flipping... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
..fix them and it jars my back like hell. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
They are heading to the Citizens Advice Bureau, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
who offer free support for people facing problems with their benefits. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
-Are you Mr Williams? -I am, indeed. -I'm Denis Jones, right? | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
-Pleased to meet you. -Pleasure. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
Denis is the most experienced volunteer | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
at Bridgend's Citizens Advice. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
Still going strong, at 90 years of age, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
he is the oldest in Wales, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
and his track record with appealing benefits cases is second to none. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:52 | |
-What have you lost? -I've lost my care component. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
I was on low care DLA. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
If they are to have a chance at overturning the decision | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
of the tribunal, Denis will have to look at all the evidence | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
of Andrew's care needs and make sure it is properly represented. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
There is, though, a possibility that he could end up worse off. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Now, you are aware that you have got ten on mobility there, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:19 | |
if you go to the tribunal, they can take it away, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
as well as awarding. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:25 | |
-Yes. I'm fully aware of that. -You're aware of that. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
-Do you want me to go the appeal with you? -Yes, please. -Right. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Over the following weeks, Denis will work closely with Andrew. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
I feel more confident | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
going into the tribunal now, with someone like that behind us. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
'At least we've got support there, to help us through it now, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
'which, hopefully, is going to make life a bit easier.' | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
Having lost her own case in court, there is nothing Kay Harris can do | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
to avoid paying her £49 per month bedroom tax, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
but now, she is campaigning to help others. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
-Hello! -Oh, hello, Kay! Come on in! | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
She has joined forces with Alan Short. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
Together, they formed a campaign group called | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
Bridgend Against The Bedroom Tax. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
And this appeal was for... She is quite ill... | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
Alan is a retired ex-serviceman | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
and the campaign has taken over his life. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
We're not arguing it wasn't a bedroom. We said, "Yeah, we know..." | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
Although Alan hasn't been bedroom taxed himself, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
he is helping people challenge their case in the courts. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
This is what gets sent to people | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
when they appeal, from the council. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
It is usually anywhere between 132 and 167 pages. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Now, how on Earth is a tenant going to sort that lot out? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
It's enough to put anybody off, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
but Alan is happy to help. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
Right, these appeals, here, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
are appeals that are ongoing. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
These have all been withdrawn, these appeals. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
These here are all cases in the pipeline, waiting to be done. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
These... These are cases that have been lost. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
How many cases have you got here? | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Well, I just counted up on my laptop. 92, we had. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
What was it that made you start up this campaign? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
Fed up of the government walking all over people that are vulnerable. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
People are not prepared to speak up for themselves, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
so I'm prepared to do it for them. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
I can see it's wrong. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
It just isn't fair to people - | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
people who have got no chance of paying. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
He is 100% into this campaign and I am really proud of him. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
I am glad to be his friend. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
ALAN LAUGHS | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
Thank you very much! | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
Their next mission takes them to the heart of Welsh government, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
to see if they can get more support for their campaign. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
-See you later, huh? -Yes. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
For months, Andrew has been living | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
with the stress of his benefits appeal. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
He's on medication for severe anxiety, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
which sometimes prevents him from leaving the house. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
Sometimes you think, "I'm going to go and do this," | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
and you get to the front door... | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
and I think, "No, I'm not." | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
It's... It's too hard to even open the front door. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
You get this knot, these butterflies in your stomach. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
Today, he's managed to overcome his anxiety. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
With his PIP tribunal looming, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
Andrew heads to the Bridgend Citizens Advice Bureau. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
It's the last chance he has to get the all-important help | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
he needs to prepare for his appeal. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
-Good morning, Mr Williams. -Morning. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
Denis and Andrew look at where he can score some more points. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
We have to see whether you deserve a higher reward | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
on those activities for which you've got nothing, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
but which you could possibly achieve something. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
Last time, Andrew wasn't given any points | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
for the help he needs for putting on his clothes. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
Dressing and undressing. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
-How do you manage with socks? -Most of the time my partner does it. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
Most of the time...does it for you. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
She more than likely does them about four days a week, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
four to five - sometimes it's seven days a week. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
Is that spoiling you, out of... | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
-No. No, I will try first. -It is needed. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
Yeah, I will try first and if I can't do it, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
then she will have to come in. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:46 | |
The appeals process can put heavy demands on people, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
especially those who are ill or vulnerable. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
'I wouldn't wish this sort of thing on anyone, because...' | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
It's... It's not easily dealt with. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
I have this constant... | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
..thing in the back of my head, when am I going to have this appeal? | 0:19:12 | 0:19:17 | |
What's going to happen? When am I going to see Denis? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
What does Denis think about all this? | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
It all goes on in your head, all the time - | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
when you go to sleep, everything, it's always there. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
Getting to the point now where you just want it over and done with. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
No matter what the decision, you just want it done with, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
because it's... it's getting too much now. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
With the tribunal just four days away, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
the pressure on Andrew is mounting. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
In Wales, 40,000 tenants have to pay the under-occupancy charge, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
or bedroom tax as it's more commonly known. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
That's almost half of those who rent their homes | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
from housing associations or the council, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
and it's the highest proportion in any region in Great Britain. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
Alan and Kay see the charge as an unfair tax | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
and they're intent on doing something about it. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
They're in Cardiff, heading for the Welsh Assembly. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
That's where they let all the hot air out of, there, look. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
We just want to get our point across | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
and we want them to do something. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
Inside the Senedd, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:37 | |
along with other campaigners, church representatives and charities, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
they meet with some of the political movers and shakers. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
We deal mainly with tenants on very low incomes | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
who just cannot afford to pay. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
They're what we call the vulnerable tenants. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
We've got appeals waiting now and we've got many in the pipeline. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
Hi, my name is Kay Harris and I'm a bedroom taxpayer. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
Me and a few others made a campaign against the tax | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
and we feel it is unfair to be punished | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
because we want to live peacefully in our own homes. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
They are not buildings, they are people's homes, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
who have settled for years and brought up families | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
and who have gone and made their own families. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
Opportunities for Kay to get her stories across to those in power | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
don't come around too often. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
We still are urging people to join our campaign, to fight with us, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
so that we'll have more support for to come to places like this. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
Kay gets the attention of Assembly Member Joyce Watson. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
I don't want to move. You know, like... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
And half the time, he uses that bedroom anyway, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
because he wakes up in the night because he's in so much pain, | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
so he goes into the spare bedroom, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
so it's not as if the bedroom's not being used. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
I just think to myself, | 0:21:51 | 0:21:52 | |
"Why are they punishing us like they are? And why us?" | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
Why are they hammering the people who need help? | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
-The sick, the old, disabled. -The infirm, the vulnerable. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Whichever category you want to put them in, they are the vulnerable. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
The Senedd has no say in the under-occupancy charge | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
because it's a Westminster policy, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
but Kay and the other campaigners want the assembly to create a fund | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
to pay the charges of everyone who's been hit in Wales, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
similar to what's already happened in Scotland. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
All the appeal paperwork. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
It's the day Andrew Williams takes his battle to court | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
over his Personal Independence Payment. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
-INTERVIEWER: -So, how are you feeling this morning, Andrew? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
-HE CHUCKLES -Not good. Nervous. | 0:22:54 | 0:23:00 | |
Anxious. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
Taking extra tablets. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
Because of his anxiety and his difficulty with walking, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
the tribunal service have sent a taxi to pick him | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
and his partner, Donna, up. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:17 | |
Yeah, here he is. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
Morning. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
The last year has seen increasing numbers of people | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
taking their benefits appeals to tribunal, so Andrew is not alone. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
-Cheers, mate. -See you later, mate. Be careful. -Ta-ra. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:41 | |
-Morning. -Morning. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
Without Denis' support, Andrew wouldn't have made it this far. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
There you are, phone is off. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
-There we are, then. Let's go in, eh? -Let's go. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
For a second time, his case is being heard by two experts and a judge. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
They'll decide whether or not to uphold | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
the Department of Work and Pensions' decision on his benefits. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
They emerge almost an hour later. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
They went through everything. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
They went through - other than just the walking - | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
they actually went through all the points that we were querying, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
didn't they? | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
But it's not over yet. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
Couldn't make a decision there because we'd overrun. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
We just now have to wait and see. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:35 | |
It'll be another two days before the decision comes through. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
Back on the Bettws Estate, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Terrance is still recovering from open heart surgery. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
Right, I'll go and make a coffee. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
The unexpected costs from when he was hospitalised | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
have added to their money worries, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
and they've fallen behind on the rent. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
Now, as well as having to pay the £11 per week bedroom tax, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
they are also paying off their arrears. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
It's costing us now £26.60 a week. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
And that £26.60 could've gone on decorating the room. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:23 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
The government's intention is to get people to downsize. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
But Terrance and Kay feel that moving isn't an option. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
A house isn't just a building. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
When you've got people living in there, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
that have been there for such a long time, it's a home. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
They've settled in that home, so why not leave them stay? | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
As I said, the only way I'll get out of this house is in a wooden box. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
In the six months | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
after the under-occupancy charge was introduced, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
the number of tenants in arrears in Wales increased by 23%. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
Now, as a result, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
the housing associations are predicting evictions. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
I don't want to open it. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
The results of Andrew's tribunal have arrived. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
It's taken him four months to challenge the DWP's decision | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
on his PIP benefit. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
"Decision notice. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
"Mr Williams has limited ability | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
"to carry out activities of daily living. He scores nine points." | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
Finally, Andrew has got the recognition that he has care needs. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
Woohoo! | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
And he's won his case. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
-It's over, love. -Yep, all done and dusted. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
On top of his other benefits, he's been awarded | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
an additional £55 per week, that's more than he had before. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
But they've given you back your board, | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
-which they originally took off you. -Yeah. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
I am happy I've been heard and I am happy it's all over. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
Andrew calls Denis at Citizens Advice, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
who's support made all the difference. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
-ON PHONE: -'Hi, Andrew.' | 0:27:29 | 0:27:30 | |
-Hiya. I've just read it. -'Yes.' | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
And I'm still in a bit of shock, actually. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
'Why is that?' | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
Because somebody actually listened for a change. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
'You got what you went for, that's the big thing.' | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
Exactly. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
'You got it. I was very pleased when I saw the result. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
'I think it's a very good result.' | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
Yeah, I couldn't be happier with it. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
-'OK.' -Thanks a lot. -'Bye, then.' -Ta-ra. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
It's a happy relief. It's a happy ending to... | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
-..an otherwise sad story, I think. -HE CHUCKLES | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
For those who are ill or vulnerable, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
challenging benefits decisions can be a gruelling process. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
A survey shows that most of those who try | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
say their health suffers as a result. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
But although the benefits appeals process can be difficult, | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
growing numbers of people are successful. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
Next time on Battling With Benefits... | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
They just sanctioned me. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
..a young Valleys couple struggle to comply | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
with stricter Jobcentre rules... | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
Only when we checked today that we noticed half the money was missing. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
..and when Bridgend-born Will Thomas returned to Britain injured | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
after having worked abroad, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
he struggles to get any benefits at all. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
They have the nerve to tell me that I have to be back in my own country | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
for two years to get what I'm entitled to. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 |