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That's all we have at the moment.

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Life on benefits can be tough.

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The Government in Westminster

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is undertaking a shake-up of the welfare system.

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The aim is to focus payments on those in greatest need

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and help claimants into work.

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They're also aiming to cut £12 billion

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from the spend on benefits.

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You think you could do this yourself?

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Tighter rules have been introduced.

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Filling in those forms is an absolute nightmare.

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..new systems...

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It can drive you mental.

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..and stiffer penalties.

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It's not right, just cutting our money like that.

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Vulnerable and disabled people, even those who are ill,

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say they are being pushed to the limit.

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I don't see why we should be punished for having a spare bedroom.

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If it's just me that's not getting the help,

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who else is suffering in this world?

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In the Bridgend area,

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we followed people for ten months

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to see the impact on some of those who are experiencing the changes,

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and how challenging benefits decisions

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can be complicated and stressful.

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Why should I have to fight against it? But that's what it takes.

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And a lot of people would have given up, you know?

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A lot of people would have given up.

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This is the reality for those who are...

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Any one of us could be affected by illness or lose our job

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quite out of the blue.

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The benefits system is there as a safety net,

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to help people get their lives back on track.

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Over the last four years,

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the Westminster government has revamped the entire benefits system

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and cuts of £9 billion a year are having an impact.

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One of the changes to the welfare system is tighter rules,

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aimed at making it much harder for migrants to arrive in Britain

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and claim benefits.

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But these changes can also affect some British-born nationals.

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As well as working for 20 years in Britain,

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Bridgend-born Will Thomas has also worked abroad, with his wife, Julie.

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They decided to settle in South Africa,

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where things went well for them.

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We worked together, we lived together,

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we laughed together, so were together 24/7.

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And, um, it couldn't have been better.

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But all that changed when Julie died unexpectedly

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during a routine operation.

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It's been eight years now and I miss her every day.

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I talk to her every day.

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We were best friends.

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I know it's a cliche, but we certainly were.

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After this, Will decided to travel.

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He ended up in Malaysia, where he became the victim

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of a violent robbery and he was seriously injured.

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His money was taken and he was hospitalised.

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Will had a badly-broken hip, which was left untreated

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until he was flown back to the UK in 2013.

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I came directly from hospital in Kuala Lumpur

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to the hospital in Hillingdon

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and I applied for benefits almost immediately.

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They said, "Unfortunately, you have no history in this borough,

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"so we can't help you at all."

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Although his injuries were debilitating,

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he wasn't eligible for any disability benefit

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because tighter rules prevent anyone from applying

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who has not been resident in Britain for two of the last three years.

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After four months in hospital, on crutches

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and with just £2 in his pocket, Will got the bus back to Wales

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in the hope he would get emergency accommodation in his home town.

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So, then, I went to Bridgend Council

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and I was told that there were people just like me

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on the streets with worse problems, such as drugs and drink problems.

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Will says he left the meeting

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under the impression that they could not help him.

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Stressed and anxious, he was worried he'd have nowhere to stay that night.

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It made me feel very angry because they're treating me

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like some foreign alien, who has no rights whatsoever.

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I had no money, I'd had no contact with my family, at that point,

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so I was totally alone, with no benefits of any type.

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But, unbeknown to Will,

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the council WERE trying to sort out emergency accommodation for him.

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Another of the big shake-ups in the Government's welfare reform

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is more stringent rules for job seekers,

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aimed at getting people into work.

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For young people in the Bridgend area,

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that can be more of a challenge

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because there are higher than average numbers

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amongst 16-to-24-year-olds looking for jobs.

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As a couple, Yolanda and Michael get jobseeker's allowance.

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It amounts to £114 a week for both of them to live on.

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They are long-term unemployed and are desperate to find work.

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It would just give us a bit more freedom

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to do certain things that we weren't able to do now.

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I mean, now we haven't even got a phone.

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Don't have internet or anything. So, I think, just getting a job,

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we'll be able to make slow progress towards those kind of things

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that most people take advantage of nowadays, like.

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So, it would be nice.

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Every day, Michael has to log in

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to his jobseeker's account online.

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But without an internet connection, he has to walk from his home,

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at the top of the Ogwr Valley, to the local library.

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How far is it to where you go to get to the computer?

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It's about a 45-minute walk...

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..there and 45 minutes back.

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Like every JSA claimant,

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Michael has made an agreement with the Job Centre

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about what steps he'll take to look for work.

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Claimant's money can be cut or sanctioned

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if they don't stick to the agreement

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they have to make with the Job Centre.

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Basically, I have to click on to Activity History

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and just write in what I've done so far.

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Introduced in 2012,

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the universal job match is designed to sift for the most suitable jobs

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that fit his profile.

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This one is saying that they're recruiting

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for a temporary warehouse assistant.

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It's essential that the candidate possess a forklift truck licence.

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-Have you got one of them?

-No.

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Even though he's not qualified, he applies anyway,

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just to fill his job quota.

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It's really annoying because...

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it feels as if I'm forced to apply for jobs

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that are way out of my league

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and it's genuine that I can't find a suitable job for myself.

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Michael has been using the system for years without success,

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so job searching has become a box-ticking exercise

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in order to comply with the Job Centre.

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All he needs is just someone to give him a chance,

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but it's very hard for him.

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But I'm constantly supporting him,

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I'm constantly applying for jobs for him and giving him advice.

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It may be tough, but we have gone through a lot together already,

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so this is nothing.

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Yolanda and Michael face stiff competition.

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They are up against 3,500 other unemployed young people

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in the Bridgend area - all competing for the same jobs.

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When 61-year-old Will Thomas returned to Britain in 2013,

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having worked abroad,

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he discovered the benefits system had been transformed.

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In poor health, penniless and with nowhere to live,

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he was surprised to find out he could not apply for benefits.

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I was born in Bridgend.

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My parents were Welsh,

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my whole family is Welsh

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and then they have the nerve to tell me that I have to be back

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in my own country for two years to get what I'm entitled to.

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It was his first day back in his home town.

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Will was in pain,

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so he went to the Princess of Wales Hospital for treatment,

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where he got the news that the council had arranged

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emergency accommodation for him that night, in a B&B.

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From then on, his situation improved.

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I went down to the council next day and they were, oh,

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full of apologies.

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She was almost on her knees when she came to see me!

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"Oh, what can I do to help you?"

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So I wasn't just on my own any more.

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With the help of the council, he got a longer-term place in a hostel.

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Now, he is returning to the Salvation Army hostel in Bridgend,

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which was his home for over a year.

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-Ah, William!

-How are you doing?

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He meets the staff who helped him - Shaun Haynes and Janine Rees.

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-How are you?

-I'm all right, thank you.

-Good to see you.

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At that time, the 16-bed hostel was full of young people,

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many of whom had fallen out with their families.

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Unlike them, he had no benefits to pay for food.

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Will had no income. He had nothing to be able to feed himself.

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The food bank were fantastic,

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but it doesn't provide things like your perishables -

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your bread, your milk, just for a cup of tea.

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So, we would go and provide that for him to make sure he could have

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a cup of tea in the morning. A bacon sandwich.

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A bacon sandwich was this guy's luxury

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for the best part of eight months.

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It was the first time I had ever been in surroundings like this

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or an environment like this.

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Totally alien to me.

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And you just wonder, "Well, is it EVER going to end?

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"Is anybody going to give me a break?"

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After six months in the hostel, without any money,

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Will was told that he could apply for one of the new benefits -

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Employment Support Allowance - so he did.

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But his claim for ESA was rejected,

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as he was deemed fit enough to work.

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If you're stressed already and you're depressed already,

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you get an envelope through the door, saying,

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"Right, you are not ill. You can work. You're not on ESA any more."

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How that would make you feel? How would that make you feel,

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when you know exactly what you're capable of

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and what your ailments are and how fit you are -

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what you can and cannot do?

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At a loss as to what to do next,

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in November 2014, Will turned to Bridgend's Citizens Advice,

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who offer free help to people with benefits problems.

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Advisor Carl Williams reviewed Will's health problems

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to see if he had a case.

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-Is there a problem with anxiety, as well?

-Yes, it's all connected.

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Very severe depression, as well.

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Do you know what brought the depression on, Will?

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The death of my wife.

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'Now, Will suffered from depression and anxiety.'

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He suffered... He had trouble with his hands, his shoulder, his leg,

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so his mobility wasn't there.

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He had trouble preparing food,

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so we made then another application

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for Employment and Support Allowance.

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-Where's the arthritis, Will?

-The arthritis is in the shoulder

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and in the hands...

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..and in the feet.

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Looking at the forms, you know, that immediately turns you off.

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You think, "I can't do that. There's no way I can fill that in."

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So, thank goodness for people like Carl, because he's a life-saver.

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Literally, a life-saver.

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Next, he'll be called to a Department of Work and Pensions

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health assessment to test if he qualifies for ESA.

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Both Yolanda and Michael are on jobseeker's benefits.

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Until 11 months ago, Yolanda had been working,

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but Michael has never had full-time employment.

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Their toughest experience was after family circumstances

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left them homeless and with no alternative but to sleep rough.

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It was about a year ago today that we were here.

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It was really freezing, wasn't it?

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It was a really cold night. It wasn't like this last year.

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It was absolutely freezing.

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But even homelessness didn't exempt them

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from their daily job search.

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We tried explaining to the Job Centre, we can't be job searching

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and sorting out a roof over our heads, all at the same time.

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I was embarrassed. I was ashamed.

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It was a really tough time, mentally, for me.

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They eventually found a place of their own,

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40 minutes away from Bridgend, at the top of the Ogwr Valley.

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Yolanda and Michael have both felt the impact of one of

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the most controversial changes to the benefits system.

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Claimants' money can be cut or sanctioned

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if they don't stick to the agreement

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they have to make with the Job Centre.

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Being late for a Job Centre appointment

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or not making enough job-seeking effort can result in a sanction.

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The next time they go to sign on,

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they discover Michael has been sanctioned again.

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They've sanctioned me...

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..for not attending a work appointment.

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But I explained to them that I had attended an interview

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previously and sent a letter to them

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to say that I was at an interview,

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and they just sanctioned me.

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His work coach didn't say anything to him

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and just, you know, signed him on as normal and then,

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only when we checked today, we noticed half the money was missing.

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When we came in today, we found that he was sanctioned for two months.

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They struggle on £114 a week.

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Now, after this sanction,

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they have to survive on half that,

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which works out at less than £9 a day.

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They don't give you a warning or anything. They'll just...

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There's no pity, there's no nothing. It's just, "You're sanctioned".

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It's like they're not even human any more.

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They have just become very robotic

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and they don't understand that, you know,

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if you cut that money away, they'll starve for two weeks.

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I think we might be fine, in terms of electric,

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but we are just going to have to switch everything off at night

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and...stuff like that, but...

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It's going to be hard.

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Yolanda and Michael are not alone.

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Benefits sanctions were meted out last year

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to 28,000 claimants who, by definition,

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are some of Wales' poorest people.

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Yolanda has been job hunting.

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She has had jobs in retail and catering before, so she's focused

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her job-searching efforts

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by knocking on the door of every cafe in town.

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You got some quite good news.

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Yeah, I just had a trial shift at Costa Coffee,

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so it went pretty great.

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It was only for the three hours and it went really good.

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They're going to give me a trial week, just to teach me properly

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everything, cos they didn't have much time to do it today.

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Everything seems really good.

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Finally, after 11 months of jobseeker's allowance,

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she has got the prospect of a wage coming in.

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-Hey, babes.

-Hey, babes.

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How do you feel about tomorrow?

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I'm quite excited. I'm nervous. I'm not going to lie, I'm nervous,

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but I think I'll be fine.

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My last job was last year, in October, and I was fired

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because of my homelessness.

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So, going back through those doors again is quite exciting.

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It's nerve-racking, but it's exciting.

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Now she's got a job, both the couple's benefits are stopped.

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They told me that I weren't entitled to any type of benefits,

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including housing benefit, because of Yolanda working.

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They'll also have to pay their £350 per month rent.

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Since Will returned go the UK, he's been trying to get a benefit

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that recognises he's not fit for work.

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He has reapplied for Employment Support Allowance

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and, whilst this is happening, he gets a basic application rate

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of just over £70 per week.

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This has helped him to move from the hostel to his bedsit.

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As well as the hip injury,

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he has a litany of health problems that hinder his everyday life.

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-Oh, hi!

-Morning.

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A visit to local hairdresser Tricia Whelan can be a necessity for Will.

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-Oh!

-There are times when he finds using his hands extremely difficult.

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It's a real treat for me, getting my hair done,

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because, with my problems with my hands...

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-Do you struggle with your hands?

-Yeah.

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I have... Thank you.

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-I have Dupuytren's, which makes them close.

-Oh, right, OK.

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It's a tightening of the tendons you can see here.

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-So... It's something that Margaret Thatcher had.

-Did she?

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I'm not proud of that!

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So, I'm not even in good company.

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But, yeah, eventually, they just tighten up like that,

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so you have to have an operation.

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But it just makes it difficult for dexterity, you know?

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-You obviously struggle with things like washing your hair.

-Exactly.

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After the wash, Trish can't resist a restyling.

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-How is that looking for you, Will?

-Absolutely brilliant.

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I'll show you the back now.

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Oh, yeah! Lovely! Great!

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-OK, lovely.

-Thank you, Will.

-Thanks so much.

-Good to see you.

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-Take care.

-You take care.

-Thank you.

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The next stage in Will's ESA application

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is to attend a work capability assessment.

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It's a 50-minute test,

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designed to determine if he's fit for work or not.

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It's the day Will has to prove to the Department of Work and Pensions

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that he has health issues.

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His shoulder and hand problems make putting on his jacket difficult.

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See, they don't see this at the assessment, do they?

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It's almost a year since Will was first turned down for ESA

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and he never really understood why,

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with his health problems, he got zero points.

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It is very hard, once you get knocked back

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by the assessment people, to go back again and try it again.

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But if you know you're true and you are disabled,

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then you're not lying,

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but they make out that you're lying all the time.

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So, today, it's them trying to prove that I'm fit for a job

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and me saying, "Look at everything that I have -

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"my complaints and my health - and you'll see that I can't do a job."

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What happens in the assessment will play a big part

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in whether or not he gets his ESA benefit.

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50 minutes later,

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it's all over and done with.

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It's a waiting game now.

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I wait for that magic white letter through the door box.

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And they'll tell me...

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..what my life is going to be.

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After a year of job seeking,

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Yolanda has finally started her new job at the coffee shop.

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That's all we have at the moment.

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Well, in the fridge, anyway.

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There's a bit more in the cupboard and the freezer.

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So...

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Despite getting a job, the couple are struggling more than ever

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because Yolanda has to wait four weeks for her first wage packet.

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From our last payment,

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we have just had to make that stretch as far as we can.

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Only just the last week, I've had to ask my mother for money

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because I only get paid monthly, so...until the next payday,

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it's been hard.

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The impact of this and Michael's sanction leaves them with £80

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from their last benefit payment to survive four weeks.

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So, when Yolanda gets her first pay packet of around £700,

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it will barely cover their debts, never mind the £350 rent.

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I am just kind of thinking that, even when I get paid,

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it's not going to be as hip-hip-hooray as I'd want it to be.

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Not even living any more - just surviving.

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What should have been the beginning of a new era in their lives

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is turning out to be tougher than living on benefits.

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Five weeks later, things are looking up.

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They've finally got their computer connected -

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all down to the generosity of a friend.

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We've got Wi-Fi in the house now, only cos of the neighbour.

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He's got Wi-Fi recently and he's asked if we wanted to have it,

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so he gave us the password. It's just helped a lot.

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Now, I don't have to rely on going down the library

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and all of the computers being used up or the system's down.

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Although Yolanda's pleased to be back at work,

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it's difficult to plan ahead.

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She's on what's known as a zero-hours contract,

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which means she has no guarantee of a set number of hours each week,

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so her take-home pay varies.

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I was already getting 30 hours, so I thought that's what I'd get,

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more or less, each week.

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But, yeah, after a while, when Christmas came, it wasn't as busy,

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so I did get, eventually, a little bit less hours.

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Not by much but, at the end of the month, when the pay comes in,

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you do notice the difference.

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It is hard, just seeing other people my age having that kind of money

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to just go out, do a bit of shopping or you see them on Facebook,

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going on holidays, having different experiences,

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and I'm just pretty much stuck at home.

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I do believe that we can get ourselves sorted,

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start living life like, you know, young people should.

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I do see us doing that, but it's...

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..just getting past that first barricade,

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which has been holding us back for such a long time.

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Having moved off benefits and into the world of work,

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Yolanda and Michael still face an uncertain future.

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The number of people of zero-hours contracts is increasing yearly.

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Across Wales, that's 40,000 people with no guaranteed weekly wage.

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Yes, yes.

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Two weeks after going to his work capability assessment,

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Will has received a letter from the Department of Work and Pensions.

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It says he's not eligible for Employment and Support Allowance.

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He's on the phone to them because it doesn't make sense.

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I really don't know what's going on

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and it really is stressing me to death!

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Confusingly, the letter refers to the very first time

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Will was assessed for ESA, over a year ago, in 2014.

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I went for a health assessment about two weeks ago.

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So, does this letter have anything to do with that health assessment?

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It seems the letter is a mistake -

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a Department of Work and Pensions blunder.

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Ah. So, that is the results of my last assessment?

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But they DO have the result he's been waiting for.

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Ah, OK. So I'm not fit for work for two years?

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Oh, that's great news! Thank goodness for that!

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Oh, bless you so much. It really means a lot, you know?

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Having battled for 19 months and been turned down once before,

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now Will's finally been recognised as unfit for work

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and eligible for ESA.

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Goodnight. Bye-bye!

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Hello!

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HE LAUGHS

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Oh!

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Happy, happy!

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I just need to see, you know, a confirmation now.

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But that is... Oh, that is...

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What a great result. And it should be a great result, you know?

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Why should I have to fight against it?

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But that's what it takes.

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And a lot of people would have given up, you know?

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A lot of people would have given up.

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He'll be getting £109 a week

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which, even with his housing benefit,

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is far less than a living wage.

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But for Will, this is a victory.

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It's turned my whole life around, it really has. I'm not...

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I don't feel as if I'm in the gutter now.

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You know, I have a life, which I can enjoy.

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It can sometimes take months to challenge benefits decisions,

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but half of those who went as far as appealing their ESA claim

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won their cases.

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Next time, on Battling With Benefits...

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Oops-a-daisy! Right, where are we going?

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..some of the most vulnerable people in Bridgend

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are being hit by the changes to disability benefits

0:28:340:28:38

and cuts in local services.

0:28:380:28:40

I am trying be to civil and polite

0:28:400:28:42

but, when it comes to my daughter's health,

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something needs to be done urgently.

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And how some are giving up on the benefits system altogether.

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-Ah, that is a result.

-Oh!

-Free.

-Yeah.

-Free at last.

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It's just not worth the hassle - it's too stressful.

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