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In the UK, we spend over ?100 billion a year on food. And we have

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more choice than ever before. Yet, many people in Britain are going

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hungry. You've got to be joking. No. So, now, four famous volunteers... A

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bit nervous, actually. Have agreed to help Sport Relief shine a light

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on the UK's hidden hungry. What is that? By living with them. Oh, my

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God. Exposing the reality of breadline Britain will be

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multimillionaire, former Dragon, Theo Phaphitis. There is absolutely

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no reason why anybody should be in any form of food poverty in the UK.

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Soap star, Cheryl Fergison. When you are sitting at home, food poverty

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does not enter your head. Wealthy star of Made in Chelsea, Jamie

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Laing. It is weird. I didn't think people in the UK were starving. And

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journalist and author, Rachel Johnson. I thought the people we had

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was that people were consuming too many calories. The Sport Relief

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volunteers will aa ban done their lives of privileged. -- bane done. I

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begged on the street. And join the daily millions trying to put enough

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food on the table. Really difficult for me to get into my head somebody

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only having one meal a day. Surviving on charity hand-outs. If

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it wasn't for the food bank 100% we would be hungry. Excuse me, do you

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have 9 p? How can Britain be hungry in 2014?

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There is no money in the pot. It seems to be one blow after another

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and above all of that going on, you are hungry. And if you are famous

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and rich... Never take anything in life for granted, ever. How could it

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ever feel like home? Rice everywhere. I have been good cop.

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Now it is time to be bad cop. As hard as it might be, we have to face

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reality. I'm better than this.

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Four Sport Relief volunteers are heading to a warehouse in London. I

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think my nervousness is tip Paphitis nervousness, which is the unknown. I

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like control. All they have been told is to prepare for something

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they've never experienced - hunger. I always thought that this country

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kind of was the land of plenty, so it would be really shocking and I

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would be quite angry to discover a that people are going hungry. I was

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sent to a prep when you had your last food at 5.00pm and you next ate

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at 7.00am the next day. I remember being hungry every night but I don't

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think that's the same as hunger. I packed some trainers. I packed some

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Ralph Lauren boots. They will be guided by lily ka pran any of the

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Children's Society and community worker, Craig Last -- Lily Caprani

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When people say they don't believe people are hungry in this country I

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say they need to open their eyes and look at the facts.

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Hello. Hi. Hello. Thank you for being here. The reason you are here

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is we have a new crisis brewing in the UK. In the last five years, food

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prices have gone up but at the same time, wages are static. That's come

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at the same time as austerity. Which means that some benefits are

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reducing and the most vulnerable people, living on the breadline are

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those that are finding their pockets squeezed. We are actually seeing an

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increase in the number of families around the country that are really

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struggling to even put a decent meal on the table. Are there any families

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in which the responsibility adults are failing to feed the children?

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How many families don't care about feeding their children a decent

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diet? I don't know but I know children are taken into care and

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that's one of the reasons. It is not as clear-cut as you might think it

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is. What approximate if we go into a family and we find instead spending

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money on food they are spending it on cigarettes, alcohol and satellite

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TV. That's what we want it find out. The reason we are putting you out

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there is because you have privileged lives. The kind of problems these

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people experience, you don't. You are make making asumptions. My

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parents received benefits. I got free school uniforms and dinners.

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What would your family spend on food a month? An inordinate amount. We

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appreciate the fact we no longer have to count the pennies. Answer

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the question? I wouldn't have a clue. Rachel, in Notting Hill, would

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you say you see the effects of hunger? Yes, I do, most women are

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starving themselves in order to be thin in the noing hill. They will

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pay thousands of pounds to sit in a Spa hoe knell a lake in Austria to

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eat gruel and dry bread. What is the most you have spent on a night out

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-- in a Spa hotel. I don't know, I would say, maybe, thousands.

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?16,000. Probably a few thousand. But their privileged lives are now

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over. Does anybody have any food? OK, can we take it from you? These

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families have been really brave to open up and share their lives with

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you. We won't want any cheating. Have I got to give you everything?

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Everything. Thank you. We don't want you to take wallets or phones. Theo,

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if I could take yours? I bet yours is heavy. How much money is in

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there? About ?725. Cheryl? Snoonchts are you going to take the whole lot?

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Roughly how much cash is there? ?300-odd. I don't know. ?about ?70.

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All #24e8 be left with is what their host families say they can afford to

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spend on food, perperson, per day. -- all they will be left with. How

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much is there? ?3. For how long? Three days. You have got to be

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joking. No. ?3. 21. ?3. 15. If I'm honest, a smoothie up the

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road costs more than that. I don't understand how... That is he a one

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cup of coffee in Starbucks. I'm not sure anybody is going to be thinking

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I can survive on ?2. 28 for three days.

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All the Sport Relief volunteers have is their food budget and an address.

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?3. 15 for three days. 3 pods. 15! It's all very well --

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?3. 15. It is all very well me telling them and them reading about

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it, but it is not until they of live in the family's homes that they'll

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understand what it feels like. It could be a council house, no

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heating, electricity metre. Look, they have all got satellite dishes.

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Theo has been sent to Barnett in north London.

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First impressions, all looks good. Very smart, very clean. A bit

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nervous, actually. I don't know what to say. Confidence is not something

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that Theo usual lilacs. I'll give shall usually lacks. I'll give you

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?100,000. He is married with three children. He is ploughed of his

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working class roots and what he has managed to achieve. The whole of our

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lives until I was nine or ten really was living hand-to-mouth. Will I be

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able to cope with that again, after leading the life I have lived since?

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I don't know. I am out. Hello. Oh my God. Hello. Welcome, welcome. Well,

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that's some welcome. Is she always this excited? No. You are the man

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who says to people - how much do you want for this? I'm Theo. Good to

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meet you. What is your name Ida. What is your name? Amelia. Good to

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meet you too. How old are you? Eight. I'm a lot, lot older. Good to

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meet you. Where were you born? Ethiopia. OK. I have been there. I

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was born in Cyprus, a little island in the Mediterranean. I came over

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when I was six. When did you come over? In 1984. In In Ethiopia

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agraduated as airline hostess but I had not a nice experience in my

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country. You have been there. Ida was given asylum in the UK and

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worked full time until she became pregnant with Amelia. I couldn't

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have children and she's my miracle child. Miracle. I was 41. Ida works

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part-time and earns ?106 a week. She gets no financial help from Amelia's

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father. Maybe I could be better off not working, but I have no role

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model for my girl. We have everything. If you need it, let me

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know, I'll get T she is my life. Everything goes around her

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well-being. She brightens my life. That's her bedroom. So she has given

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you her bedroom. This is a lovely room. She has emptied that cupboard

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for you so you can put your clothes in here. Ida spends less than ?11 a

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week on food. This is our kitchen. There are times I feel dizzy. You

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have this migraine and you know it is hunger. She always lets me eat.

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Like she doesn't eat any food for the rest of the day. And then I give

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her - I leave leftovers on purpose and I keep tricking her saying it is

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by accident because she doesn't have anything to eat. So you are telling

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me, if she eats, you don't eat? Yeah, she tricks me and I trick her.

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So between you, one of you eats, the other one doesn't eat, basically.

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It's a little bit immediate, isn't it? All those things you spoke

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about, in the first few minutes of meeting everyone, it's quite

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disturbing. Quite disturbing. 20 miles away in Croydon... Is that

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them Good evening. Hello. I'm Jamie, lovely to meet you. Carly. You know

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my face. This is Jessica. Nice to meet you. This is Lily. I swear I

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know who you are. I don't know the name. It's you had a Made in

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Chelsea. Yeah. I'm going to come and live with you, if that's OK. What do

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you think girls? Jamie was set to hipper it a multimillion pound

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fortune long before he set foot on the screen. I take so much for

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granted, heating mobiles, food. I take everything for granted, it is

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just there. His mother agrees. You go into a supermarket and think -

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I'll have a bagel and smoke salmon today. You have never, ever had to

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struggle. It'll bring you down to earth.

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Snool I want it buy something I, I buy it. If I take a girl out to

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dinner, you are spending ?200, ?300 quid for dinner. Jamie will now be

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living in a two-bedroomed terrace house in Croydon with 40-year-old

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single mum, Carly. Carly relies on benefits and spends just under ?30 a

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week on food for the whole family. You want to go and show me the

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bedroom now? She gets little financial help from her children's

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fathers. Do the girls get to eat refer I day? Yes. I always make sure

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there is something. Clever concoctions, clever cooking. I can

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go without the odd meal but I will not have these going without. To

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actually see my mum not eating is kind of upsetting. Because I

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sometimes have to say - mum I'm not hungry, have my dinner, because she

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is getting shrink and shrink and sh ring and she'll end up like a

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lollipop stick. Jamie decides to part with his money. Wicked. I will

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put that in the purse. Think I have ?2 left. That's everything I have in

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the whole wide world. I'm going to be so brutally honest with you. I

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had break toast at a place called Bluebird cafe. The bill came to ?25.

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-- I had breakfast. I cannot imagine how tough it is going to be.

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Hello. Oh my word. Cheryl will be living with 49-year-old Paul in

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Grantham, Lincolnshire. Is there any chance of a cup of tea? I'm being

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really, kind of like, cheeky, I know. I might push a biscuit. I'm so

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sorry. Mum of one, Cheryl learned to laugh

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at adversity growing newspaper London's East End. We were very

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working class. There wasn't a lot of money around. Sometimes you would

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dodge the milk man a couple of weeks. I know sometimes my parents

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went without food to feed us. I know that. Now one of Britain's most

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recognisable soap stars, food poverty is something she has left

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behind and thinks the rest of the country should have done too. You

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can look at Africa and other countries around the world and you

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can see what is going on. If it is happening on my own doorstep, that's

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shocking. Um, have you eaten yet? Not today,

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no. Are you going to eat today, at some point? Probably, why are you

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hungry? Sorry, I can't - I'm comprehending here you are telling

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me you haven't eaten today. No. Why don't you make something to eat

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then? Because I haven't got anything. OK. Do you like milk? How

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long has this to last you for? Another week now. Paul spends less

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than ?8 a week on food. It's really difficult for me to get

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into my head somebody only have one meal a day. So, what are you having?

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I might just have chicken soup. What, just the soup? Yes.

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In Deptford, south-east London, chicken soup isn't the only thing on

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the menu for journalist Rachel Johnson. She is staying with

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approximate 53-year-old widow De, and her daughters, Dianne and Chloe.

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Have you made this chicken soup? Yes, this is how we find out. She

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mixed the in. Usually it has sweetcorn. With you we don't have

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any. That's a shame. I would like sweetcorn and grated Cheddar. We

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have some cheese. My friend who works in a factory. That's great.

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Every so often, I get a little package. It is a cheese-fest. At

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home in her four-bedroom house in Notting Hill. Dinner for mum of

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three Rachel rarely involves bootleg cheese. I love delicious food. I'm

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used to a life that I get what I want when I want it? Why have

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aagreed to do this? I'm a journal Is, I need to see what is going on.

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What wine do you think you are going to be drinking this week? My husband

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says I lack empathy. The Princess will learn to live in the

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non-Princess world. I think it will be very interesting. Can I do

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anything? ? Dee's financial problems began when she lost her husband in

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2008 and two years ago she suffered a stroke. She budgets ?21 a we can

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for food. We can't afford the fruit and veg. It is frozen or out of a

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tin. Can I look through your cupboards and see what you have got

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food-wise? Cereal, onions, dog food. What is that? A Swiss roll. Is that

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past its... I don't know. She is a widow with two dependant children.

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Actually, what she is bringing them up on, chicken soup and pasta and

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frankfurter supper is not really enough to maintain her own health. I

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can't say that I think it is going to be very easy for me the next

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week. Four British households. I'm hungry,

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are you hungry? Now have an extra mouth to feed. . All of a sudden

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I've got no appetite whatsoever. It cost ?1. So that's like ?50 woerted

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of potatoes. -- worth. Everything is down to the penny,

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literally, which is exhausting. That's probably 20 pction's worth.

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If the washing machine breaks or the Aga - well not the Aga, but what do

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you do? What do you think? Really good. The cheese makes it. Nearly

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everyone has been fed but Paul hadn't planned on catering for a

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vegetarian. He has managed to rustle something up for Cheryl. That's all

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right man, cool. I'm used to making something out of nothing myself

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but... What I'm trying to work out why is there no food in your

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cupboards. Do you work? No. OK, so you are on benefit. On benefits at

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the moment. Is that because you don't want to work? No, I want to

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work but I can't work because of my health because two years back I had

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what is called a spn Tyne Tynous phneumo this, horax? What That's

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what I said. Paul suffered a poll appsed lung and was forced to give

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up the painting and decorating job he had. I aplayed for lofts things

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but when it gets to my health, they don't want to know. Do you mind me

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asking what you learned before Take-home ?700. How much noweds ?50.

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50 a week. What? ?50. 50 a week. What douse it to you as a person I

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have no self-esteem. When I walk out this door, when I hold my head up,

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people don't know nothing, I don't tell them. Paul has eight grown-up

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children. My family are not fully aware of my situation because I'm a

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proud dad. I have always worked for what I've got. They think I'm doing

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all right. They think I've got a nice little place and they think

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everything is fine. Suddenly, there is an ultimaty crunch from

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downstairs and the hoover stopped... It is the end of the first day with

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Britain's hidden hungry. At this point in the evening usually I will

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be thinking - I'm peckish, I wonder what I'll have to eat. I know I'll

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go downstairs and there is a ?1 Swiss roll is that bad for me anyway

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and this is' really is until breakfast -- and that's really it

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until breakfast when I have spotted some cornflakes. To think I would

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open the fridge and cut off a chunk of Parmesan and eat an avocado. This

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is a lovely street in suburbia. You don't expect this poverty behind

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these walls. It doesn't make sense. It really doesn't.

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You are a nice guy. Am I a nice guy It is the Sport Relief volunteers

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first morning with their host families.

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You have a lot of protein there. You like branflakes. Theo is up early

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spending his food budget. Four points - ?1. 45. There is not a lot

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left of my ?2. 28. Do you have breakfast? Not really. If you

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haven't got anything, you make your body get used to not having

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breakfast. I always say I will keep it for her. This is my breakfast.

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Don't eat me. There will be no more if she does that.

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Off we go. God bless. See you later. Her focus as you can see is Amelia.

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She won't let her go without anything. It doesn't matter if she

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hasn't got it, she'll find it. It doesn't matter, if she wants it,

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she'll find it for her. In Grantham, Cheryl hasn't had any

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breakfast. By now, I would have eaten maybe some cereal and boil

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eggs inane a couple of coffees and a couple of digestive biscuits. --

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boil eggs and a couple of coffees. No hot water. It is freezing. Paul,

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no hot water. It is turned off because it costs too much. So, there

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is no hot water? I normally get a strip wash at the sink. Hot running

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water. Also saves money by only heating the living room of his

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one-bedroomed flat. If you hear strange noises, it is me. When ball

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was forced to stop work, he ran up an electricity debt. The electricity

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company put in a metre and forces him to pay back some of the debt per

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week. I have to pay a minimum of ?25 per week before putting new I want

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to use on the electric. -- putting anything. That's my benefits gone

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now. How much money do you have? Nothing. Not a penny? Not one single

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solitary penny. Oh my word, no, no, no. This week ball has put ?48 of

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his ?50. 50 benefits in the metre. It is not rocket science. It leaves

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?2. 50 for food. For food. Everything is going on heating this

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room. Just this room. I have to choose heat because of my health.

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But you need to eat food to keep yourself strong as well. Of course.

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This is actually really upsetting. Walk around in my shoes. I feel

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quite distressed by it. I feel really angry that not through any

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fault of yours, because you have been ill, that you have to kind of

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keep yourself like warm, but you can't physically keep your yourself

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strong through food or eating the right types of food.

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Everything on. The rising cost in things like gas and electric, that

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money has to come from somewhere. Now, if you are already going

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without clothes, going out and all the rest of it, what is the last

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place you can cut back on? Your food. Another strain on Carly's

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budget is debt. How far away is school? A few years back, I had to

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take rather a large loan so I could afford a deposit for moving, the

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removal fees, the estate agent fees and a month Reece rent upfront. --

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rent upfront. In total Carly has over ?4,000 in debt. I made some

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very poor choices and tried to play keep up with the Joneses. I didn't

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want people to know we are the average benefit family. I was

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putting things on credit cards and stuff. You have 10 minutes to get

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through the door. I have taken a budgeting loan from the Government

:27:32.:27:36.

to provide clothes and had my child's bed repaired. Carly pays the

:27:37.:27:42.

credit card company every week. Her Government debts are repaid by a ?31

:27:43.:27:48.

perweek cut in her benefits. The rate at which they are asking me to

:27:49.:27:52.

pay this off, you know, I'm struggling. Carly's debt repayments

:27:53.:27:58.

have to come out of the ?267 benefits she has to spend a week. If

:27:59.:28:05.

I'm honest, that, you know, it is a night out in London. It is just

:28:06.:28:10.

crazy to think of. This says all figures are per week.

:28:11.:28:22.

Your main source of income is your child tax credit. Dee's benefits and

:28:23.:28:29.

widows pension total just under ?300 a week. Rachel wants to know why

:28:30.:28:36.

that's not enough to feed her kids nutritious meals. TV licence. ?7 for

:28:37.:28:40.

water. How much do you pay for electricity? ?about ?20. In theory

:28:41.:28:46.

you should have ?175 a week in your pocket.

:28:47.:28:52.

Yeah, go on. No, I don't. Do you have any debt interest you are

:28:53.:28:59.

paying? That's ?60. A month. A week. OK, so that wipes out quite a lot of

:29:00.:29:04.

your... Why didn't you tell me about that? Because I forgot. So, what is

:29:05.:29:10.

that? Did you take out a loan. Two years ago Dee borrowed ?1,000 from a

:29:11.:29:16.

doorstep lender to pay outstanding bills and Christmas for her four

:29:17.:29:20.

girls. What was the capital sum of your loan? It was ?1,000. All in all

:29:21.:29:26.

I have had to pay nearly ?1,900. Same again in interest. The loan has

:29:27.:29:35.

gone down by only ?265. It is bloody day daylight robbery. Companies

:29:36.:29:41.

charging sky high interest rates is often the only option for people on

:29:42.:29:45.

a low can be. Do they come around? He comes around every Friday. And he

:29:46.:29:52.

takes cash? Yes. Oh my God. So that's ?60. Yes. Oh my God, I'm

:29:53.:29:58.

beginning to understand. ?33 a week you have got for food to feed all

:29:59.:30:02.

three of you. Oh my God.

:30:03.:30:08.

OK. And your girls are so cheerful. So in the fridge at the moment we

:30:09.:30:24.

have potatoes, eggs banana. With only a few pounds in her pocket and

:30:25.:30:28.

three days to go before the next benefit payment, there is only one

:30:29.:30:33.

place Carly can turn to, to feed her family. The first time I had to go

:30:34.:30:38.

and approach the food bank I felt very embarrassed. You know, that I

:30:39.:30:43.

was having to go in there to ask for help. I think you should stop

:30:44.:30:47.

thinking that. I promise, if we were a couple and we were together and we

:30:48.:30:50.

were looking after our kids and you said - we are going to go to the

:30:51.:30:54.

food bank today I would still be like - let's G Bless, was that a

:30:55.:31:00.

proposal? Let's get married. -- let's go. But Carly can't just walk

:31:01.:31:08.

into a food bank. First, she has to convince her local council that she

:31:09.:31:15.

deserves emergency food aid. I'm trying to clear debt and to keep up

:31:16.:31:19.

with three going kids and trying to keep them full and them in clothes

:31:20.:31:23.

and stuff, you know for the last couple of weeks, I have had no

:31:24.:31:27.

heating on in my house, I just cannot afford that expense. What I

:31:28.:31:31.

put into one bill or debt is coming away from the other things that I'm

:31:32.:31:35.

trying to put on the table for my children. It really does make me

:31:36.:31:39.

feel like a bad parent. It makes me feel like I can't provide for my

:31:40.:31:48.

children. You know, there are times that... You know, it is an emotional

:31:49.:32:01.

thing. You do feel like you are doing wrong. That, you know, because

:32:02.:32:07.

of, you know, mistakes in the past, that you are a bad parent and it is

:32:08.:32:13.

a horrible feeling that I can't always provide what my children

:32:14.:32:21.

need. It's horrible. Carly has to go through this process every time she

:32:22.:32:26.

needs to visit a food bank. If I'm honest, I think parts of the reasons

:32:27.:32:34.

why she is in this situation isn't her fault. You get emotional. You

:32:35.:32:39.

bottle it up. She was earning a good wage, spent money, never saved. She

:32:40.:32:47.

ran up massive debts. She wasn't living in poverty. No, I wouldn't

:32:48.:32:53.

call it that. My understanding of living in poverty is where you don't

:32:54.:32:59.

really have a house. You are hungry. She doesn't have a house. She does

:33:00.:33:11.

have a roof over her head. Your figure something creeping up all the

:33:12.:33:16.

time. We keep finding things you are spending money on. Oh, your ciggies,

:33:17.:33:22.

how many packs a week? I buy one every other day? How much? ?3 a

:33:23.:33:29.

pack. Look at me in the eye? What, for 20? I buy Marlborough Lights for

:33:30.:33:39.

?484 for ten. Why are they so cheap? I don't know. Are they bootleg. You

:33:40.:33:45.

are smoking smuggled Russian cigarettes. Do you think I need to

:33:46.:33:49.

try one for the pups of research? Yes. If you added the ?12 she spends

:33:50.:33:55.

on cigarettes there would be more money for food. -- for the pups of

:33:56.:34:01.

research? I think she recognises that, but would she be able to cope

:34:02.:34:06.

without them? These are her choices. I don't now see them as a luxury

:34:07.:34:12.

item. It's lunch time and Ida is doing a dinnerlady shift at her

:34:13.:34:21.

daughter's school. We are done now. You are not doing bad. We might keep

:34:22.:34:28.

you. As she is on part-time hours and a low wage, Amelia gets a free

:34:29.:34:36.

school lunch. She gets fed too. Most days, it is the only meal she eats.

:34:37.:34:42.

Do I look like a man who doesn't know when he is going to eat again?

:34:43.:34:47.

The answer is yes. My belly is rumbling. I can't think about it.

:34:48.:34:52.

For Cheryl, lunch is the first meal of the day. I could really dip a

:34:53.:34:59.

load of things in it. Bread, chips, a Twix. Are you not having one? No I

:35:00.:35:06.

can't spoil myself by having something in the middle of the day

:35:07.:35:11.

when I don't normally. I feel bad now. Do you know, I play fairies in

:35:12.:35:17.

panto quite a lot. If I had a magic wand, I would want to wave it, go,

:35:18.:35:25.

ding, ding, ding. Food banks are coming to the rescue for an

:35:26.:35:28.

increasing number of struggling families. I should have got an

:35:29.:35:34.

e-mail to say I'm coming down. Yes, let's get you some food. In 20099

:35:35.:35:41.

biggest food bank provider ran 28 centres. -- in 2009. Today they have

:35:42.:35:50.

over 400. Do you want rice? I love Rice. A lot of the people who come

:35:51.:35:54.

here have had very good jobs. They have always looked after their

:35:55.:35:58.

family. They have always been able to get by without asking for help.

:35:59.:36:02.

We have had situations here, probably once or twice a week, where

:36:03.:36:08.

people come in and say they haven't eaten for two or three days. That's

:36:09.:36:20.

common. Hello. Food banks rely on donations from the public. When I go

:36:21.:36:25.

shopping I buy a bit extra. Absolutely amazing. I'm going to

:36:26.:36:32.

give you a hug now. Thank you darling. You are welcome. If you

:36:33.:36:34.

look at some of the comments. This is the UK and people are saying

:36:35.:36:39.

things like - thank you for feeding me today I was very hungry and you

:36:40.:36:44.

gave me food to eat. This is the UK. Thanks for the food again. Thanks

:36:45.:36:46.

for the food. Come here a minute. What is all

:36:47.:37:02.

this? Bank statement. Barclays bank. Barclays bank. This is the same.

:37:03.:37:08.

Maybe this is something I should look at for one of my stationery

:37:09.:37:16.

businesses. A new filing system. Radiators. You know why I keep it

:37:17.:37:20.

like that and then it goes down and it is filed. Out of sight, out of

:37:21.:37:29.

mind. In Deptford, Rachel has decided to

:37:30.:37:35.

spend her money on essentials for Dee's fridge. I have now got ?40

:37:36.:37:46.

left -- 40p left. 41 P. ! With what is left, Rachel wants to cook Dee's

:37:47.:37:53.

family a meal. I only have 40p, remember. We will see if we can get

:37:54.:37:59.

mince and do your chilli. We haven't got enough. We need 9p. Shall we ask

:38:00.:38:02.

someone? Why not? Aisle' ask someone. It's

:38:03.:38:14.

all right. Excuse me, do you have 9p? Excuse me, do you have 9p? -- Is

:38:15.:38:23.

that all the money you have in the whole world? I have my bank card but

:38:24.:38:30.

I don't have 9p? Excuse me, do you have 9p that I can have in order to

:38:31.:38:35.

buy something in Iceland it feed a family. Thank you so much. Thank you

:38:36.:38:44.

very, very much. Dinner sorted. Thank you.

:38:45.:38:50.

Hold on, hold on, what period is this? This is madness. This is the

:38:51.:38:58.

annual summary. During that year, you have paid 12 times ?650 in

:38:59.:39:07.

monthly account fees. 19 ?8 unpaid transaction fees and a further 33

:39:08.:39:13.

paid transactions fees and ?7 interest. Yes. ?505. That is

:39:14.:39:27.

terrible. That is terrible. Nearly 10% of her wages go on banks

:39:28.:39:35.

charges. That's not good. Are you hungry? They are incredibly close to

:39:36.:39:44.

each other but there has to come a time when Ida has to face up to her

:39:45.:39:50.

finances and there is going to come a time when she can't give her

:39:51.:39:54.

daughter everything. For me, it just feels like a train crash about to

:39:55.:40:01.

happen. She has run up debts of over ?2,000. So, is that it? Do you think

:40:02.:40:10.

that's our total debt? Maybe if we put ?20 extra to cover if I missed

:40:11.:40:18.

anything? What, ?20? That's not going to make a difference, is it?

:40:19.:40:26.

It is overload. She now needs to temper that. And, you know, I can

:40:27.:40:31.

see her pain. You know, I recognise it. I have seen it before. I have

:40:32.:40:36.

seen it with my own family when I was growing up. The same emotions.

:40:37.:40:41.

The same traits are there. And the same mistakes. It's dinner time. We

:40:42.:40:49.

actually only have one tin of tomatoes. In Grantham Paul is

:40:50.:40:56.

preparing his one and only meal of the day. You see, because of the

:40:57.:41:02.

milk you bought we have macaroni cheese. As usual, Ida is skipping

:41:03.:41:10.

dipper and Theo is doing the same. If it wasn't for the food bank, 100%

:41:11.:41:16.

we would be going hungry tonight. I'm missing choice. The-up us, the

:41:17.:41:25.

dips and crisps, and Elderflowers. I miss freshness -- the humous. The

:41:26.:41:33.

story here is that people are embarrassed to admit they are in

:41:34.:41:38.

food crisis. I mean, I begged on the street so I could buy my mince for

:41:39.:41:44.

supper. The first thing I have eaten in this house that has been fresh is

:41:45.:41:48.

this onion in this chilli. Do you want to taste this to tell me what

:41:49.:41:54.

it needs? We can take out some for your mum and Nicole who doesn't make

:41:55.:42:00.

it spicy? I'm considering tomorrow whether I need to dig a bit deeper

:42:01.:42:05.

to do with how much responsibility Dee is actually taking for her life

:42:06.:42:12.

and the girls' health. I have been good cop. Now I think it is time to

:42:13.:42:18.

turn bad cop. My mum used to make it so hot. That was nice. Cheryl is

:42:19.:42:26.

spending her food budget on meat for Paul. Yokes. Outside the stall she

:42:27.:42:34.

spots an opportunity, in the supermarket bin. Part of me just

:42:35.:42:39.

wants to go - leave it, walk away, leave it.

:42:40.:42:52.

I'm so excited. Hotcross buns, hottedcross buns. Bread. I feel like

:42:53.:43:01.

hunter gatherer going home with some food.

:43:02.:43:10.

-- hotcross buns. I have come bearing some goodies. Do you know

:43:11.:43:14.

what I've got? No idea. What have you got? We have bread. Bread.

:43:15.:43:25.

Rolls. Hotcross buns. Yeah. It ain't Easter yet. Where have you got all

:43:26.:43:30.

this lot? Basically, I picked it out of the bin. You are joking. No.

:43:31.:43:39.

That's not going to look good, is it? No. I don't want my kids to see

:43:40.:43:56.

me like this. It's hard, isn't it be? I'm better than this. I'm better

:43:57.:44:06.

than this. I need to sort my own issues about. It's not what kids are

:44:07.:44:11.

about. But they know what you have been through. They know my health

:44:12.:44:15.

issues, of course. Of course they do. You didn't choose to be in this

:44:16.:44:18.

situation. You didn't choose to have no food in the cupboards or have no

:44:19.:44:22.

electricity. You should not have to put up like this. You should not

:44:23.:44:27.

have to live like this. That's the way it is. How hard do you keep

:44:28.:44:35.

trying? When do you stop trying? I've always been a great believer

:44:36.:44:40.

that the only way to move forward on anything is to communicate. Do I

:44:41.:44:44.

suggest it might be a good idea if you can talk to somebody in your

:44:45.:44:51.

family and maybe admit to what you are actually - how you are living?

:44:52.:45:05.

Porridge is very filling and quite good for you. It is a better carb

:45:06.:45:15.

than white bread. There is one full day left with the hosts. The bin men

:45:16.:45:23.

come. Oh, they come, do they? Have they got any bread? I feel I could

:45:24.:45:31.

say anything to you now. Even if you don't agree with it, I think you can

:45:32.:45:36.

say - shut up. All your children you have communication with them. Name

:45:37.:45:42.

me the things you think they don't know when that would shock them.

:45:43.:45:46.

When they find out the extent of me in the cupboards and lack of food.

:45:47.:45:51.

They don't know that. No. Is that that a worry for you. Of course.

:45:52.:45:55.

Whether they have pressure or not It is going to put pressure on them.

:45:56.:46:00.

That's rubbish. They are your family. I'm the provider. I'm dad.

:46:01.:46:05.

You know what I mean. You are not Superman. You don't need to have

:46:06.:46:09.

those added pressures in your head of trying to hide stuff away from

:46:10.:46:16.

your family. In Deptford, Rachel wants a word with Dee Can I be a bit

:46:17.:46:21.

honest, when you look at your girls, what do you think in terms of their

:46:22.:46:27.

health and their diet? I don't know. They are just... But at that age I

:46:28.:46:32.

bet you were a rake. Because your mum made you meals from scratch.

:46:33.:46:36.

Meat and two veg. That sort of thing. I don't know, I'm just

:46:37.:46:44.

prosupering. And you didn't have a mobile and TV. -- I'm just

:46:45.:46:49.

presuming. The lifestyle of your girls, they are under your roof. You

:46:50.:46:52.

are getting child benefit for them. That needs to change as well. That

:46:53.:46:56.

is true. I'm only saying this. I think it has been really hard for

:46:57.:47:00.

you but I'm worried that you have decided that you can't do anything.

:47:01.:47:05.

I'm sorry to say all this. I just need to step up. There you go. Thank

:47:06.:47:13.

you. Today, Dee receives her benefits.

:47:14.:47:24.

Oh, isn't this lovely. And Rachel wants to change the way she shops

:47:25.:47:34.

for food. Gorgeous carrots. ! They are buying the ingredients for a

:47:35.:47:39.

healthy stew. God almighty, though. It can't be ?3. Surely not. ?3 for

:47:40.:47:51.

one suede. Admittedly grown in a beautiful organic farm in Kent.

:47:52.:47:57.

Completely unaffordable. Shall we go to ASDA and have a look? Or we can

:47:58.:48:06.

go to Sainsbury's. Hello. You look like your dad.

:48:07.:48:11.

Cheryl is also looking for answers. I can't get over how much you look

:48:12.:48:16.

like your dad. Paul has invited his youngest son Dean around for a chat.

:48:17.:48:22.

What do you think I'm here for To see how dad lives. OK when it comes

:48:23.:48:26.

down to it, the money he gets is not enough money for him to live. He

:48:27.:48:32.

seems to only have one meal a day. Are you quite aware your dad is

:48:33.:48:37.

eating nothing. Well, no. Could you survive on a tin of soup a day? No,

:48:38.:48:43.

I can't imagine anybody doing that. Well, that's the truth, though, man.

:48:44.:48:49.

It's bad, isn't it? Why do you think he hasn't told you what is going on?

:48:50.:48:56.

Don't know. He is too proud. Why haven't you? It is embarrassing for

:48:57.:49:01.

me to go to my kids to tell them the situation I'm in. They have enough

:49:02.:49:06.

of their own problems. It is hard. We struggle at times but there is

:49:07.:49:12.

still enough to help out. There is plenty of us. How do you feel now he

:49:13.:49:21.

knows? Better. I'm not proud. I just hope he doesn't think bad of me now

:49:22.:49:26.

he knows. I will not think bad of you. I just know now that I can do

:49:27.:49:31.

more to help you, rather than be in that situation. There is that

:49:32.:49:36.

saying, a shared is a problem halved. I feel that although I can't

:49:37.:49:42.

wave any magic wands, that that conversation needed to happen today.

:49:43.:49:45.

I will see you next time. Now, everything is out in the open. They

:49:46.:49:49.

will be more concerned about me and asking me am I all right, have I got

:49:50.:49:53.

this and have I got that and do I need anything? To me it shows that

:49:54.:49:59.

there might be, light at the end of the tunnel, if you like.

:50:00.:50:03.

He is really nice. He takes after his dad.

:50:04.:50:10.

. Oh, why don't we chuck some of that in. Rachel and Dee ended up

:50:11.:50:20.

buying cheap vegetables from her local supermarket. What is that? It

:50:21.:50:27.

is a leek. To make Rachel's meat and veg stew. Work out what it cost? ?6.

:50:28.:50:38.

?7 with a tin of Guinness. It is over budget for the day, isn't it?

:50:39.:50:45.

That was about as cheap a meal as I could imagine making. I have blown

:50:46.:50:50.

her budget. We made a healthy meal tonight but it cost ?7. And it's

:50:51.:51:03.

lovely. I think you have to take your finances into control and then

:51:04.:51:06.

your life will be so much better. You give your daughter so much love,

:51:07.:51:12.

that quite honestly, you don't have to worry about buying her anything.

:51:13.:51:17.

Slee doesn't want treats and for you to suffer. -- she doesn't. The bank

:51:18.:51:27.

fees. No more bank fees. No more bank fees. You cannot afford ?50 on

:51:28.:51:35.

Sky. You can afford ?15 on Sky. We have to get us back under the

:51:36.:51:41.

account balance. And open your mail. The bad news for you is - what I

:51:42.:51:47.

really wanted to do was to come here, learn, shut the door and go.

:51:48.:51:52.

You haven't allowed me to do that, or Amelia. Because you have been too

:51:53.:51:59.

lovely. So, I am going to bug you. Even after I leave. OK. I really

:52:00.:52:05.

appreciate that. And I'm going to keep an eye on you. And you are not

:52:06.:52:10.

going to let me down. Never. If I let you down, it will be like

:52:11.:52:14.

letting Amelia and myself down. Good. Give me a kiss. Fantastic.

:52:15.:52:22.

More involvement will make so much difference. I know it is only one

:52:23.:52:27.

family and there are hundreds of thousands. But it's one I've been

:52:28.:52:37.

living with. I know we live poles apart but I really do relate to

:52:38.:52:42.

them. It is so much like the way I lived when I was small and the way I

:52:43.:52:46.

was brought up. There was nobody to help us. So, how could I walk away?

:52:47.:53:00.

I've got me now. I'm done. So I've been with her for the last

:53:01.:53:08.

few days. - ahaven't done a poo. I went to the loo just now. And for

:53:09.:53:13.

some reason, I didn't G I'm desperate. But there's loo paper in

:53:14.:53:18.

the loo and borrow it, to take back to the house so we have loo paper in

:53:19.:53:23.

the house, so tonight I can settle in and have a poo.

:53:24.:53:31.

I'm so excited. I'm going to light candles and everything. Carly is

:53:32.:53:36.

applying for a training course to become a security guard. I don't

:53:37.:53:40.

want to be on benefits for the rest of my life. And I don't want to

:53:41.:53:44.

teach my children that the only way forward for them also is to not do

:53:45.:53:49.

very well because, hay, we can live on benefits. I want to feel proud

:53:50.:53:55.

I'm providing for my family. I think I have filled that out successfully.

:53:56.:54:01.

But having inrolled she gets some other news. If you can't afford to

:54:02.:54:06.

keep it on, that's the way it has to go. The private landLord that owns

:54:07.:54:12.

her home has a problem. Right, I still don't think that's going to be

:54:13.:54:16.

an option because there is no money in the pot.

:54:17.:54:25.

Carly can't afford a rent deposit on another house. What has happened?

:54:26.:54:39.

That was a really hard phonecall. Um, I've just basically been told

:54:40.:54:48.

that I'm about to lose where I live. Why? Why has that suddenly happened?

:54:49.:54:54.

The landlord wants the property back because he is going to put the house

:54:55.:54:59.

back on the market to sell it. So technically speaking, in two to

:55:00.:55:05.

three months, I don't have anywhere to live any more.

:55:06.:55:12.

If she is evicted Carly's family will be placed in council housing

:55:13.:55:19.

but they may have to live in temporary accommodation first. It

:55:20.:55:22.

seems to be one blow after another and then above all of that going on,

:55:23.:55:30.

your hungry. I don't think Carly has felt that she's had a break or had

:55:31.:55:34.

any situations that have been good to her. Maybe my definition of

:55:35.:55:39.

poverty is slightly blurred. Maybe some of the choices she made were

:55:40.:55:43.

wrong but everyone has made bad choices but now she doesn't have the

:55:44.:55:47.

ability to choose. Maybe this is poverty. Maybe this is UK poverty.

:55:48.:55:53.

She doesn't have the ability to choose anything. It's such a weird

:55:54.:56:03.

dilemma. Because I don't want to leave because it's selfish to leave.

:56:04.:56:07.

I just don't want to leave but at the same time I do want to leave

:56:08.:56:11.

because it's very emotionally draining and it's hard. Thank you

:56:12.:56:20.

so, so much. Never take anything in life for granted, really, ever

:56:21.:56:27.

because any situation can turn your life upside down. You don't expect

:56:28.:56:31.

to go up in the morning, do you, go to work and that evening be

:56:32.:56:35.

completely out of it and then realise that maybe you will never go

:56:36.:56:40.

back to that job again? Thank you so much for having me. The evidence on

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the ground is that there are loads more people like Dee than there

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were. I didn't even know there were people like De, to begin with. So

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this has been a major eye-opener. "Dear Theo. I hope that you were an

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inspiration, that even though we are poor, we still have a good life.

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Don't forget me." Sport Relief money is supporting

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food banks, breakfast clubs and a whole range of other projects like

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the ones you have seen in tonight's programme. You can make a real

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difference to families who rely on them. To donate ?5 text the word

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"food.". In tomorrow's Famous, Rich and

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Hungry... Is this an estate. The famous volunteers have to help their

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new families. Respect. Escape food poverty. In the soup kitchen, one

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little thing can set things off. It's very hard to see the story

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having a Hollywood ending. I do really appreciate everything. If I

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was Prime Minister, I would make it illegal.

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