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Get your pills. Honest Pharmacy. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:04 | |
We are selling pills with side effects guaranteed. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
'My name is Chris van Tulleken.' | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
Gastric bleeding, sir? | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
'I'm a doctor looking for answers to a crisis in medicine | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
'that threatens us all.' | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
It can erode your stomach lining and then you bleed from your | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
stomach, and it kills a certain number of people every year. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
Every year, doctors hand out over a billion prescriptions. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
We're just prescribing more and more and more pills. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Aaaah. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:36 | |
'That's 15 courses of medicine for every man, woman and child.' | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
You've got a headache, you take paracetamol. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
You've got a backache, you take co-codamol. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
That is an overdose. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
Drugs do save lives, but this growing binge | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
on medicines is dangerous. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:51 | |
How could this ever be good for a human being? | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
'Millions of people suffer from side effects.' | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
I was waking up depressed. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
And thousands die every year. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Overuse of medication is one of the most serious problems that we face. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
'I believe there's another way.' | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
Today is the last day that you are going to take these drugs. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
OK. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
I'm going to take over part of a doctor's surgery | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
where I'll replace the drugs by treating patients without pills. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
From chronic pain... | 0:01:27 | 0:01:28 | |
Oh. ..to depression. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
But with worried doctors... | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
Stopping things can potentially be downright dangerous. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
..and patients who want the drugs I'm trying to stop. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
Most of those pills do not work at all. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
But they're painkillers. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
Persuading Britain to go cold turkey could be the hardest thing | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
I've ever done. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
Intensely depressed about... | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
about how to make a change. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
Ah, my pills. Thank you. OK. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
'I've been a doctor for 14 years, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
'and I'm increasingly alarmed by the steep rise in prescription rates. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
'They've rocketed by over 50%.' | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
So I've ordered bags of pills | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
and I'm going to try and work out how many of these things does a | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
typical person take in a lifetime. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
'As babies, we're given essential vaccines and more than likely | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
'several doses of antibiotics.' | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
And then the only other thing that a well nought-to-ten-year-old | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
is going to take, really, is drugs that reduce fever. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
That's about 400 pills in there. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
That's the number of doses of drugs a well, | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
normal child gets in the first ten years of its life. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
'All good. But by the time we hit our teens, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
'it becomes utterly normal to pop pills on a regular basis.' | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
1,500 painkillers. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
'From oral contraceptives to antibiotics.' | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
That's around about 4,000 pills or doses, | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
so there's the second decade of your life. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
'Things ramp up towards middle age.' | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
So, 20 to 50 - what drugs might we take? | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
'And at some point it certainly wouldn't be unusual | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
'to hit a bout of depression.' | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
In Blackpool, one in five people | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
gets an antidepressant prescription. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
That's a staggering number. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
'As you reach 50, you might be taking 1,000 pills a year.' | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
This is what we take from 20 to 50. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
'But things really get going when we hit our 60s, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
'with a tsunami of drugs designed to prolong life.' | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
Just two pills a day to manage that blood pressure. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
'In the course of a lifetime, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
'a healthy person could easily consume up to 100,000 pills.' | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
I mean, this is just a staggering amount of drugs. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
It's important to say that some of these drugs do good - | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
they save lives, they make you feel better. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
But they can all do harm, all of them. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
That harm comes in the form of side effects, from headaches | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
'to stomach bleeds. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
'In many cases, they can be worse than the condition | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
'they're supposed to treat. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
'I believe we should be turning to new research that suggests that many | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
'common illnesses are best treated without drugs.' | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
I want to be clear, this is not some personal crusade against all | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
medicines. There are drugs that benefit and save countless lives. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
But... | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
modern medicine has got to a point where we treat millions of people in | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
this country with drugs that the science says don't work very well, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
for many people they don't work at all, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
and they do massive amounts of harm. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
They kill people. | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
'I'm going to work where more than half of the NHS drugs budget is spent - | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
'a GP surgery - but instead of handing out drugs, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
'I'm going to take them away. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
'I've found a nearby clinic that's willing to let me test my theory.' | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
Churchill Health Care, Pat speaking. Can I help? | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
Churchill Medical Centre is in Chingford, Northeast London. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Mrs Collins. Going to pop this in your ear. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
The doctors here agree that over-prescription | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
is a serious national problem, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
and they're keen to see what I can do about it, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
but they aren't all convinced that I'll find answers | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
by taking patients off their drugs. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
I guess the worst case scenario would be somebody died. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
The notion that Chris is going to come in and just completely take | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
people off drugs and then happily manage them without these things, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
I think, is ludicrous. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
It would be lovely to see if he could do it. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
I don't think it's going to be a walk in the park. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
This is great. It's great, I'm here. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
First day at work. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
New school. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
Right. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
Hi. 'The staff have gathered to hear my plans.' | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
Thank you very much for making the time to see us today. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
So, I guess what I want to do is set up a clinic within this practice | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
where I will attempt, with guidance and advice, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
to stop people's prescriptions. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
It's quite a risky idea. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
What is your instinct about this as a problem, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
as a thing that needs addressing? | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
Are you optimistic? | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
Everyone's very poker-faced, I have to say. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
So the principle behind it, you know, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
I don't think you're going to have anyone in the practice | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
that turns round and says, "No, I think that's a bad idea." | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Oh, great. A bit of me was thinking some of you might | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
just think I'm mad. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:04 | |
I mean I've read all... I didn't say we didn't think that. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
Great. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
It's going to take a while to convince them | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
that I know what I'm doing. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
So, I'm not a GP. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
Being a GP is a highly skilled medical specialism, really, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
and I can't just turn up and do it unsupervised, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
so I've been given a mentor, called Kam, who I'm about to meet, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
and it's a bit like going back to medical school, so... | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
Dr Kam Seehra is one of the practice partners. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
Kam. Hi. Hi. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
I'm Chris. Kam. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
How you doing? Thanks very much for looking after me, in advance. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
What do you think of my plan? | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
I would love for you to find some alternatives that are safe, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
I would love for you to find some alternatives that are safe, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
that are viable and that we can carry through, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:53 | |
but I am quite sceptical. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
I think it's worth a go. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
I guess that's where I'm left. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
Is she in any pain? | 0:08:00 | 0:08:01 | |
This is a busy practice with 14,000 patients and 15 full-time doctors. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:09 | |
I need the drugs? Yeah. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Last year they handed out nearly 200,000 prescriptions. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
I'm hoping to help them cut the amount of drugs | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
they give out and make changes that could be taken up | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
across the country. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
So, we only have ten minutes per patient and in that time, you know, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
we're trying to address their... | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
the concerns that they've come in with, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
so it's quite a lot to be able to manage in ten minutes. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Kam has suggested I start by watching him treat patients | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
so I can see the problem for myself. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Hi. Hi, come on in. How can we help? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
I think I've got gout. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
It's really painful. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
'Gout is a type of arthritis that causes attacks of severe joint pain. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
'The medication used to treat it can cause ulcers and, in extreme cases, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:59 | |
'stomach bleeds.' | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
So, we'll give you some naproxen, which is twice a day, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
which makes it easier for you when you're working. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Yeah. And we'll give you one stomach protection tablet. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
All right? Lovely. Thanks very much. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
Thank you. Take care. Cheers, thanks. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
Do you think you could have avoided giving him those two pills? | 0:09:13 | 0:09:18 | |
Well, he's a builder, he's on his feet all day doing heavy lifting. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:24 | |
I think he needed those tablets. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
It's pretty hard to argue with that. Absolutely. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
And those drugs were dispensed in just about the most | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
responsible way I can imagine. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Come on. I'm Chris. How's it going? Good. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
Have a seat. Right, how can we help? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
I need the dizzy pills again. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
I can't wake up in the morning properly, because it makes me sick. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
How often are you vomiting? Every time I'm dizzy. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
Let's have a look at your good one first. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
'In just ten minutes, Kam must examine the patient, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
'find out what's wrong, | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
'decide the treatment to give and discuss it with them. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
'All before the next patient arrives.' | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
That's for a couple of months, OK? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Hopefully it should improve. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:04 | |
Thanks a lot. See you later, man. See you. Have a good day. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
So, do you think that giving him drugs was the right thing to do? | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
I mean, he's vomiting on a weekly basis and that's not going to be | 0:10:11 | 0:10:16 | |
healthy, so this, for me, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
something that's going to actually make him feel better, | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
is an easy medicine to be giving. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
'As the day passes, I notice a pattern.' | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
For now, we will give you some treatment, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
some antibiotics to treat this. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
So, more drugs, Kam. Yeah, more drugs. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
If we don't treat him, he could die. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
We're trying to nip it in the bud, really. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
I've got a serious ear pain. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
So, we're going to give you a spray. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
Steroids and antibiotics. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
Every single person walked out of here with a prescription, virtually. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
Is that right? When you're there in front of someone, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
you can cite all the evidence you like, | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
they're still there and they're still in pain, for example. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
You still have to manage that and it's very difficult to say, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
"Well, the evidence suggests that we don't treat you for this, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
"and so we're not going to give you... | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
"You're going to carry on in pain." | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
No-one could deny that he is a superb doctor, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
and yet he saw 40 patients and he dealt out 39 prescriptions. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:25 | |
When you look at each one of those decisions, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
it feels like, "Well, yeah, that's OK, I'd do the same thing." | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
But when you look at that big picture of everyone | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
who comes in walks out with drugs, that can't be a good thing. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
'I can't quite put my finger on what's going wrong. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
'To find out, I'm meeting one of Britain's most senior doctors.' | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
Hi, Muir. How are you? Good. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:52 | |
Well, it's very nice to see you. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
'So, Muir Gray used to be Chief Knowledge Officer for the NHS.' | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
Overuse of medication is one of the most serious problems | 0:11:59 | 0:12:04 | |
that we face in health care in every developed country. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
How have we got to a point where | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
we have too much medicine? | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
How has it all happened? | 0:12:14 | 0:12:15 | |
We've got these 40,000 doctors sitting in a room | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
with ten minutes to get closure. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
We've got patients who we've led to believe that the solution | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
is a prescription and we've got nothing else to offer them. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
So, surprise, surprise, how do we finish off the consultation? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
The pressure's terrific to finish the consultation | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
with a prescription, and therefore we need a revolution. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
We need to change the way we think | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
and we need to change the way we do things. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
Morning. Good morning. Morning, Morag. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
'I'm going to start my revolution by helping patients | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
'who've become victims of the system.' | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
She's room three. Next-door to Doctor Simmons' room. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
The surgery soon finds someone that they hope I can help. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
Wendy? Chris van Tulleken. Don't worry at all, it's fine. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
Have a seat there. Thank you. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
I've got a major problem with my shoulder. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
It just feels like my whole shoulder and my arm, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
just feels like pins and needles in my hand. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
I can't pick anything up, I can't grip. It hurts. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
'Wendy's been taking painkillers for the past 20 years | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
'to deal with chronic pain in her shoulder and back.' | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
It's sort of here, the pain. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
'Despite physiotherapy and referrals to specialists, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
'her doctors still can't figure out what's wrong.' | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
OK. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
'She's now being prescribed increasingly powerful drugs.' | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
What helps? Does anything help it? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
Diazepam. It's a highly addictive... | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
I really begged for them and they wouldn't give them to me. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
It's quite dangerous, yeah. I was like, "Please give me more." | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
The problem is you have to take more and more and more and more... | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
Really? ..to get that same effect. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
Right, OK. And it becomes extremely toxic, and when you stop taking it, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
it's really dangerous. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
Right. 'Consuming these drugs long-term | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
'could be causing Wendy real harm.' | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
Thank you so much. It was very nice to see you. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
OK, we'll be in touch. All right, thanks. Cheers, bye. Bye. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
'I want to help her find another way.' | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Prescriptions for painkillers have shot up | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
by nearly 50% in the last decade. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
They are now some of Britain's most commonly used drugs. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Wendy is the normal. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
She's taking stuff that's mainly over the counter, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
it's available to all of us and it's the stuff we all take a huge amount | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
of, but for the most part it doesn't work very well. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
'A recent review of research into over-the-counter painkillers | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
'found many only work about half the time. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
'I wonder if the painkillers are really working for Wendy? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
'To find out more, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
'I'm abandoning the usual ten-minute appointment and making | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
'an old-fashioned home visit.' | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
DOG YAPS Beware of the dog. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
DOG GROWLS Oh, hello. Who are you? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
Jasper. Hi, Jasper. Hi, I'm Chris. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
Thank you for having me. That's OK, you're welcome. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
And who are these guys? This is Jasper and Boo. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
Boo. Hi, Boo. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
'Wendy lives with her husband Alan and her daughter Jade.' | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
I feel like I want to go straight to your drugs cabinet. OK. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
Let's not do that, let's have a cup of tea. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
Let's have a cup of tea first. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
You've been off and on painkillers for 20 years... | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Yeah. ..for this... Yeah, yeah. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
The last two years, nearly every day, I've been taking painkillers. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
But it's never really gone. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
Are you in a worse state now than you were 20 years ago? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
I'm definitely worse now than I was. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Definitely. Right. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
So, talk about the drugs. Where are the drugs? | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
OK, so I've got my tablets in here, if you want to see them. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
Well, get it all out, come on. This is the cupboard of shame. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
Co-codamol. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:08 | |
'Wendy takes a daily cocktail of three different painkillers. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
'Paracetamol, ibuprofen and codeine. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
'They're supposed to work by interfering with pain messages | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
'sent to the brain.' | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
Can we lay it out? Do you mind if I pop out, for the whole day, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
pop out the pills that you would have? | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Yes. OK. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
'Taking a cocktail of painkillers like Wendy does every day | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
'can produce more of an effect. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
'But in cases where they don't work, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
'patients can end up taking bigger and bigger doses.' | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
Now we've laid it out, what do you think of that? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
I know...I did think to myself, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:49 | |
especially in the morning when I take that one as well, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
and I was thinking, "Oh, my God, this is a lot of pills I'm taking." | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
When you do take all of them, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
cos you're having a bad day, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
does all the pain go away, are you completely better? | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
No. Basically, it sort of eases off | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
and then I know it's four hours later and I have to | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
start and take them again. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
OK. I'm surprised at the amount of drugs you're taking. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
I didn't know you were taking that many daily. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
That's only when I've got a really bad back. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
But then I've never seen you without a bad back. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
You've never walked through that door and said, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
"I've just had some drugs, my back feels better." | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Every time you come through that door it's, "My back's really bad." | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
I know, because I need to take some more drugs. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
Well, you've just had some, probably. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
No, I take them every four hours, I don't... | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
Exactly. You told me, "Don't worry about four hours, three hours..." | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
I didn't know you was taking that amount, though. I didn't realise... | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
I thought you was taking one pill a day or something... | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
I must admit, to be honest, I was taking three of them. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Oh, my Lord, really? Sorry, I thought you meant | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
you were actually only taking them three times a day. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
What you mean is you were taking three, four times a day? | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
Yeah. That is an overdose. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
'I'm worried about Wendy's excessive drug use, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
'and I want her to understand the dangers.' | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
So, ibuprofen can damage your kidneys. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
Right. Especially at the dosages you're having it. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
OK. The paracetamol could damage your liver. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
So, if you hurt your liver, we can't do anything. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
You either get a transplant or you die. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
Right. So, the number one cause of acute liver injury in this country | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
is paracetamol overdose. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
OK. The other thing I think I would really like to try | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
and do to you is prove to you that the drugs don't work. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
They're painkillers. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
So they must work, they get rid of the pain. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
You're in as much pain, I believe, with them or without them. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
No, I'm in more pain without them. That's got to be a mental thing. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
Are you saying that I'm mental? No, I think that's what you're | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
telling yourself... It's in your head. ..cos every four hours, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
you need those drugs. No, it's not in my head. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
The pain is real, I'm telling you. No, no, no. No. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
I don't dispute for one minute the pain is real, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
all I'm disputing - I don't think the painkillers | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
are giving you as much relief | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
as what you're saying or thinking they are. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
OK, Dr Alan(!) No, I'm just saying. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
Would you be willing to let me just take away all the drugs? | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
If I can have another solution and get rid of the pain, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
then I'll be happy to do that. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
When was the last time you went and saw a physio | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
and did some exercises to help your shoulder? | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
I normally do, like, sort of a few stretches and whatever, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
and then you just forget about it and get on with the day. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
On an honest note, how many times have you come to this house | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
and seen Mum doing any exercises for her back? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
I don't know. You don't. I do them in the bedroom. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
You'll go along in the car and you'll do... | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
"I just need to do these exercises." | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
She'll be in the car and she'll go... Yeah, she does that. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
The truth is, Wendy, you'd rather go and pop a pill | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
than doing them exercises. No, no, when you're not here... | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
This morning, how many... | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
Did you do exercises for your bad shoulder? | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
No, I... Yesterday, did you do exercise...? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
No, I must admit... | 0:19:46 | 0:19:47 | |
No. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:50 | |
See you, bye. Bye, Jasper. DOG BARKS | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
She's done bugger all other than take pills, that's what I think. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
She's done nothing. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
She's spent a huge amount on people poking and prodding and making that | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
pain worse and she needs to do some graft, some exercise. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
And the other thing is - those painkillers don't work. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
I thought, "Oh, maybe they do." Those painkillers do not work. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
'I just need to think of a clever way to convince her | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
'to stop taking them.' | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
'Wendy's pill habit is one part of a bigger problem. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
'In my day job, I'm an infection doctor and a scientist, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
'and I'm now facing the most terrifying consequence | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
'of our pill-popping culture - antibiotic resistance.' | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
By overusing antibiotics, we generate antibiotic resistance, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
which spells the end for life as we know it on this planet. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
That's a doomsday scenario. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
'They're vital for treating and preventing bacterial infections. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
'Without them, many medical procedures simply won't be possible. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
'But we've prescribed them so much that the bacteria they should kill' | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
'have evolved to resist them.' | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
People don't quite get this. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:06 | |
If we run out of antibiotics, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
it's not that we can no longer treat your, you know, infected finger. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
It's that we can't do any more bone surgery, we can't treat cancer, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
we can't run a hospital, you can't have an intensive care unit, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
you can't do anything. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
'Drug-resistant infections are becoming increasingly common | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
'in hospitals. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:29 | |
'Unless we cut antibiotic use and slow the spread | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
'of these new superbugs, it's estimated they'll kill | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
'ten million people a year by 2050.' | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
I'm calling from Churchill Medical Centre. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
One of our patients has written to us, sorry. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
Catherine, are you...? Are you in a meeting? | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
Yeah. Free sandwiches here in two minutes. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
Do you want to come to the...? I'll come in a couple of minutes, | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
if that's all right? Fine. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
'I've discovered this practice has one of the highest antibiotic | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
'prescription rates in the area. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
'I've asked for a meeting to discuss what we can do about it.' | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
I guess this is the first time I've spoken to them, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:16 | |
and I feel like I am going to fairly bluntly criticise them. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
And that's really uncomfortable, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
but I guess I do have the authority that I am an infection doctor. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Phil, have a seat, grab a sandwich. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
So, of the 45 practices, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
you are the ninth biggest prescriber in the local area. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
I guess that begs the question - why? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
I don't think we've got anybody who is very cavalier | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
with their prescribing. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
I'd say 99.9% of the time they are appropriate prescriptions. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
I do come from a position where I think we do, in general, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:58 | |
overuse antibiotics. | 0:22:58 | 0:22:59 | |
We probably underreport side effects, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
and resistance is such an enormous problem | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
that we should take every step we can. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
It's all very nice sitting at the front and saying, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
"You give too many antibiotics." | 0:23:11 | 0:23:12 | |
I challenge you to come and sit with me in surgery, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
see the patients and see what you can do, and, yeah, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
try and resist. Fine. Great. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
I mean, how hard can it be? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
'This morning I'm taking Kam up on his challenge.' | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
'Nine out of ten GPs feel pressurised | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
'to prescribe antibiotics.' | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
'I want to see if I'll be able to resist.' | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
Today's my first day as a GP, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
and it's very nerve-racking, because, of course, I'm not a GP. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
'Today I'll be the doctor in charge and Kam will be in the room | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
'in case I need help.' | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
I think coming in with his own agenda, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
what he will really find difficult is patients have their own agenda | 0:24:09 | 0:24:13 | |
and when those clash, then that doesn't lead to a good outcome. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
You ready? No. Of course I'm not ready. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Am I ready? I'm not ready at all. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
You've done clinics. I know, I don't know why... | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
This is not a big deal, I can see a patient. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
Right, here we go. OK. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
Why is my mouth dry and my palms sweaty? | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
OK, Nick Kearns, right. Have we called him? | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
Nick Kearns. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
What's up today? Why have you come to see me? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Well, I've had a sore throat and generally felt pretty rough | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
for about a week. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
What do you feel you would like out of today's consultation? | 0:24:46 | 0:24:51 | |
Antibiotics to just completely eradicate it. Get rid of it. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
OK. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:56 | |
'Antibiotics only work with bacterial infections, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
'but they can be given unnecessarily to patients | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
'suffering from viral infections.' | 0:25:05 | 0:25:06 | |
It is a bit red. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
But there's no pus there. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
'This patient appears to have a virus | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
'which should clear up by itself.' | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
I mean, I think you are just going to get better, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
this is going to be self-limiting, and in your case antibiotics | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
might cause more problems than they'll solve. Yeah. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
Is that all right with you? | 0:25:23 | 0:25:24 | |
Yeah, if you think I'm going to get better on my own. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
Great. OK. Very nice to see you. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
And you, yeah. Thanks a lot. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
It's my first success and I'm feeling quite smug. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
You know, that was a fairly simple case, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
someone came in with a sore throat and he was very amenable. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
I'm sure the next one is not as easy. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
Carla? What's up? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
OK, well, basically I've had an ongoing problem with my toe. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
'It's going to need re-operation.' | 0:25:49 | 0:25:51 | |
So, what would you do? Give a course of antibiotics? | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
What would you do? Well... OK. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
Does it need antibiotics? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
'Even with many bacterial infections, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
'patients get better over time without drugs.' | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Well, I guess I would wonder if this is actually going to go away | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
with antibiotics, bearing in mind we've got a lot of pus there, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
would I put a hole in there and see if it will drain out. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
Last time, I believe, I had a course of antibiotics | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
which helped really a lot. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:18 | |
I start my placement as a student nurse in a couple of weeks. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
Fine. There's no way you're going to be able to make that, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
so we'll prescribe some antibiotics. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
'Perhaps I should have held out, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
'but the antibiotics may prevent serious complications.' | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Say ah. Aaaaah. She usually gets better with antibiotics. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
'And when this mum wants antibiotics to help her child recover | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
'in time for exams...' | 0:26:43 | 0:26:45 | |
So, I'm very happy to give you antibiotics | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
in this particular instance. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
Are you happy to hold her while I just have a look? Yeah. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
'Some bacterial infections can kill if not treated.' | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
Oh! | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
'And without a test to be certain it's not bacterial,' | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
'I prescribe antibiotics just to be safe.' | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
So, we'll give you some eardrops that have an antibiotic in them. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
There is your prescription. Thank you. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
The waiting. I'm literally talking to myself with it, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
you know what I mean? Really bad. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
'It's the end of the day and I come across a patient | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
'that I'm reasonably confident doesn't need a prescription.' | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
There are risks with antibiotics. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
No, as I say, I do need them. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
OK. That's the way I look at it. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
But to just walk out with nothing, I wouldn't feel safe. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
That's what I'm trying to say. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:34 | |
97% of patients in the UK who ask for antibiotics are prescribed them. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
Unless you're certain the infection's not bacterial, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
it's the safest thing to do. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
Thank you very much for your time. All right. Thank you. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
I did not want to give him... Yeah. ..a course of antibiotics. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
OK. And I gave him a course of antibiotics. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
And I definitely would have stepped in if you had said no. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
Someone with so many other medical problems, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
I would really be keen not to let them get any worse. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
Yeah? So, that's what we're really... | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
You know, that type of patient | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
is what you're really trying to deal with. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
'It's been a difficult day.' | 0:28:16 | 0:28:17 | |
I feel... | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
I'm kind of all at once in awe of what has to be done in a day - | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
and Kam, bear in mind, is still in there doing his stuff - | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
and intensely depressed about... | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
..about how to make a change. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
'This drug problem can't be solved by just saying no. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
'I'm going to have to think of a different approach.' | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
Is that the only thing you're needing? Can you do 3:30? | 0:29:03 | 0:29:07 | |
Can I have a prescription for a lady... | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
I've found another patient. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
Sarah isn't registered at this practice, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
but she's heard about my work here and wants my help | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
to come off her meds. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:20 | |
Sarah. Come on in. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
'She's 24 and she's one of over five million people in this country | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
'who take antidepressants.' | 0:29:27 | 0:29:29 | |
There you go. Thank you very much. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
I've always just felt very low and very depressed and...very uptight. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:37 | |
And then when I got to 16, I went to the doctors | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
and I got myself diagnosed with depression and I got put | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
on medication from that age to try and kind of level myself out. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
Why do you want to stop your pills? | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
I feel like they mask everything, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
but they're not getting to any root of any problem, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
they're not really resolving anything long-term. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
OK. What happens when you try to stop them? | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
I have really, really bad downs. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
OK. And I don't really see any other way of | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
stopping the downs apart from going back on the antidepressants. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
It's thought that antidepressants | 0:30:08 | 0:30:09 | |
alter levels of brain chemicals known as neurotransmitters, | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
which can influence mood. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:15 | |
Have you ever read this? Probably. OK. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
Very common side effects - headache, trembling, dizziness, palpitations, | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
nausea, dry mouth, constipation... | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
'They are powerful drugs and in ideal circumstances, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
'would only be used short-term.' | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
They perk you up, they get you through the crisis, the grief, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
and then you can come off them and rebuild your life. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
That is not the way they're being used with you. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
You've been on antidepressants now for eight years. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
It's not normal. It's not right. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
Well, it is normal, it's completely normal. Yeah, but... | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
You're like so many other people in Britain, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
but I don't think there's any evidence | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
that these drugs are making you better. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
No, I don't either. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:53 | |
'These drugs can help people, but between 2005 and 2012, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:58 | |
'the number of young people prescribed them | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
'went up by over 50%.' | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
There is something about giving antidepressants to a 16-year-old | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
that makes me uneasy. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
Not that it should never be done... | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
..but talking to Sarah, it feels like, you know, | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
at 16 you're developing, you're learning skills | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
to cope with problems and this was a time in her life | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
where she could have been learning that, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
and instead she was put into what she describes as a chemical fog. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
'I'm on my way to see Sarah at home, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
'to find out how I can help her come off the drugs.' | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
Hi. How are you? Yeah, not bad. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
How's it going? Yeah, good. Come in. Come in, it's all right. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
I guess one of the reasons to come round is... | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
..is there are all kinds of clues that you get about someone | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
from nosing around their house that you can never get, | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
no matter how long we sit in a doctor's surgery for. Yeah. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
If there's anything you're really ashamed of, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
that is the thing I most want to see. No. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
Go for it, go for it. You lead. You're in charge, Evie. Come on. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
Yeah, we're coming up the stairs with you, come on. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:18 | |
Pull the curtains, Evie. Let's do that. Yeah. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
You know, it's... It's sort of... | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
It's diagnostic of low mood, having a room like this, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
and if you didn't have a low mood, | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
then living like this gives you a low mood, cos it's so stressful. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
Yeah. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:40 | |
A lot of the clutter belongs to her dead brother, Ben. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
Both Ben and her father suffered from depression. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
They died within a few years of each other. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
My dad was an accidental suicide. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
OK. And with my brother... | 0:32:53 | 0:32:54 | |
He was... He got highly addicted to drugs and passed away last year. | 0:32:54 | 0:33:00 | |
Everywhere I look, I see signs | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
of a woman who's put her life on hold... | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
..apart from Evie's room. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
When she was first born, | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
and when I found out I was pregnant with her, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
that's when I started to feel, like, "Actually, yeah, I can do this, | 0:33:14 | 0:33:17 | |
"because I need to do this. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
"I've got somebody that needs me to be strong." | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
You're going to be the centre of everything, are you? | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
Sarah doesn't want Evie to see her taking antidepressants | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
or live with a mum who's depressed. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
'And I really want to help her find a way out.' | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
OK, so what about stuff you used to do, like sport? | 0:33:37 | 0:33:40 | |
Hobbies? I used to love going swimming. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
I used to be a good runner. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
Yeah, I've kind of really given up on hobbies over the past few years. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
When was the last time you went swimming? | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
Uh... A few weeks back, for her. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:56 | |
When was the last time you did a bunch of lengths? | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
Years. When was the last time you went out for a run? | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
Years. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:03 | |
Sarah, I think, is someone who is tough, resilient, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:14 | |
used to love things that are physical, is really social, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:18 | |
so I think a treatment for her is going to encompass all those things. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
It's going to be challenging, it's going to be outdoors, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:25 | |
it's going to be physical, | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
and she's going to do it with some other people. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
If this works, I'm hoping she can give up her antidepressants. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
'I'm back in Chingford. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
'I've come up with a way to try to convince Wendy | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
'to stop taking her painkillers.' | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
We've arrived at Wendy's and I've got a little test which, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
as far as I'm aware, no-one's ever really done before, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
to find out if any of Wendy's painkillers are working. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
Maybe they work brilliantly well, maybe I'm totally wrong, | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
but I've got a way of finding out. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
I don't know if Wendy's going to agree, but it's worth a go. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
Let's see. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
DOG BARKS Jasper. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
Hi, Alan. Hello. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
Very nice to see you. Hello. Hiya. Nice to see you. How are you? | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
Yeah, good. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
OK, I'll be honest - from everything that you've spoken to me about, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
from all your stories, I don't think your painkillers are working, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
so I want to do a test to find out if they are working. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
OK. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
'I've worked out this test with the help of Wendy's doctors.' | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
These are your pills... | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
Right. ..for the next two weeks. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
OK. Which ones are which? | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
So, in that blue tablet is a single codeine pill of 15mg, OK? | 0:35:41 | 0:35:47 | |
In each of those red tablets is half a gram of paracetamol. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Right, OK. OK. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
There is a twist with these tablets that I've laid out. OK. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
Some of these tablets don't contain any medicine. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
Right. And you don't know... | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
OK. ..which ones are real and which ones aren't real. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
OK. OK? | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
But I will know, cos I'll be in pain. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
Well, we'll see, won't we? That's the point. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
And I'm going to get you to keep a pain chart. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
OK? OK. 'Wendy will use this to record her pain levels | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
'over the next fortnight. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
'I want to see if she notices the days when she's taking tablets | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
'without any drugs.' | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
But the only way of knowing if these painkillers work for you | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
is to do this. OK. OK? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
That's fine. Are you happy to do this? | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
Yeah. So, the main thing I need to do now | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
is take away all your other painkillers. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
What about if I have a headache? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
If you get a headache, best treatment - big glass of water. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
Yes. OK? OK. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Sock drawer. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
To make sure she doesn't take more than the prescribed dose, | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
all the painkillers in the house must go. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
Not sure what they are. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
Oh, look. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:56 | |
It's been a bit interesting. | 0:36:58 | 0:36:59 | |
I'm sure there's a load of codeine in them things, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
so I'll be fine. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:05 | |
Is this it? No. There's some more coming. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:19 | |
There's still upstairs yet. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
OK, this is from the upstairs. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
Are you sure they're all...? These are all out of your drawer. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:26 | |
No, I think some of them might be my anti-dizziness ones. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
Whatever they are, they are all out of your... | 0:37:29 | 0:37:32 | |
They're my Sudafeds. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
And remember, this is what you want to do, yeah? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
Yeah. Yeah. If the pills are... Just give us 14 days. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:43 | |
Bye, everyone. Bye. See ya. Jasper! Bye, Jasper. Thank you. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
Bye, see you. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
Toxic side effects in a bag. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
Not in a patient. Very pleased. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
Found them everywhere. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
Found them in the bathroom cabinet, in your make-up thing. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
You've got pills everywhere. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
I mean, I never knew you were such a pill freak. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:07 | |
You don't need them. We're going to prove that. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
'I'm off to Portsmouth. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
'I've heard about new research being done there | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
'that might help Sarah come off her pills, but it's extreme.' | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
This is the one thing I'm doing with a patient | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
where I think my colleagues who are psychiatrists | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
will turn around and go, | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
"What are you doing? You're a lunatic. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
"This is barbaric." | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
I want to take her swimming in water so cold | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
that it could kill you from shock. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
This is a thing I do. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:44 | |
When I do it, especially when I'm a bit low, my God, it's a pep-up. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:49 | |
But... So then, when I looked into the science more | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
and I called a mate who supervises this activity regularly, he said, | 0:38:52 | 0:38:57 | |
"No, there's some evidence, there's some evidence it helps | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
"with anxiety, depression." | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
So that nailed it. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
Before I try this on Sarah, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:05 | |
I'm going to visit my colleague to learn a bit more. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
I'm here to see Mike Tipton. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
How are you doing? Very nice to see you. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
Good to see you, Chris. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
'Professor Mike Tipton is a world expert on the effects | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
'of cold water on the human body. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
'He's going to demonstrate why it might be helpful for Sarah.' | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
Essentially what we're going to do | 0:39:24 | 0:39:25 | |
is demonstrate a cold shock response - | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
the most dangerous of all responses | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
associated with immersion in cold water. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
If you go through, get changed, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
and then we'll get you wired up and ready to go. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
You just need to push yourself back with your feet there - | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
Three, two, one, down. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
'Mike's team have discovered that our bodies respond to cold water | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
'in a similar way to an anxiety attack.' | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
Well done. That's good. Good effort. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
OK, just stick with it. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:03 | |
That's very good. CHRIS GASPS AND SHUDDERS | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
'As the skin cools down rapidly, the body enters a state of shock, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
'flooding the blood with stress hormones.' | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
There's a sense of severe panic when you first go in. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
I thought I was prepared. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
It's a big stress response - | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
one of the biggest stresses you can put the body under. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
You can see why we called it the cold shock response - | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
it's a shocking response in terms of... | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
It's deeply shocking. Yeah. I'm shocked. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
'This chemical surge can leave swimmers feeling euphoric | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
'once it's passed.' | 0:40:36 | 0:40:37 | |
It is exhilarating. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:41 | |
You're now experiencing what every open-water, wild swimmer says, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
"It's just great," because it's... | 0:40:45 | 0:40:46 | |
That skin stimulation releases adrenaline | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
and all your stress hormones shoot up, | 0:40:50 | 0:40:53 | |
and it is kind of exhilarating... it is kind of exhilarating. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
Hiya. You all right? | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
'But there is another potential benefit for Sarah. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
'The evidence shows that repeated exposure to cold water | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
'conditions the body to deal with the stress response. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
'I'm hoping that this conditioning will help her respond better to the | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
'stresses in her life associated with her anxiety and depression.' | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
We're going to go to a lake, a man-made lake, | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
and just give wild swimming a bit of a go. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
Sounds good to me. You happy about that? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
I'm excited but scared, but... | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
I know it's going to help, so... | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
I trust you. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
I'm still very nervous now. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
I'm slightly nervous about it as well. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:39 | |
'If this works, I think she'll be ready to start coming off her pills, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
'but it will be a challenge.' | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
Here we are. Wow. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
It's really, really picturesque, isn't it? | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
The lake is cold and winter has only just ended. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
Sounds good. What do you think? Are you up for this? | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
I'm up for this. Great, OK. I'm ready. Let's go. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
'I've asked Mark and Heather, cold-water swimmers, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
'to come and support Sarah.' | 0:42:09 | 0:42:10 | |
Shall we go in up to our shoulders? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:19 | |
No, not yet, just sort your breathing out first. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:21 | |
Look at you. We'll do to the... | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
OK? Lead me in. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
That's all you've got to do, breathe in... | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
CHRIS GASPS Well done. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
That's excellent. You all right? How you doing? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
Let's go for a swim. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:48 | |
I'm nearly there. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
Sarah, how are you doing? I'm brilliant. How's this? | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
Amazing. I thought we were just going to do one length. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
No. Carry on. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
Oh! You all right? | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
THEY LAUGH 'The therapy seems to be working.' | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
How do you feel, Sarah? On top of the world. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
Yeah? And why do you feel on top of the world? | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
I've done what I came out to do and I did it well. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
I'm blown away, completely. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
Mind blown. It's brilliant. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:33 | |
Good. Feel amazing. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
Still cold, but... | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
As well as the euphoric boost, | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
swimming regularly will give Sarah exercise, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
which is recommended as an alternative treatment | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
for depression by the NHS. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
Fantastic. Let's get some cocoa. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
It's still a bit odd to me that we did four lengths in there. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
Yeah. And if I saw someone jump in now, I'd think, "You're crazy." | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
"Oh, they need to be rescued!" | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
Yeah. But no, it was great. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
So, over the next four weeks, I'm going to say, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
I want you to go swimming six times, OK? | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
OK. So, not massive. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
And the final things, I want you to start tapering your antidepressants. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
You've made an appointment to see your GP to do that. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
Yeah. I've got an appointment on Thursday. Fine. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
I'll keep doing it and keep doing it. | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
Good. All right. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
Let's go home. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:38 | |
'I think Sarah's now ready to be slowly weaned off | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
'her antidepressants.' | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
'She's beginning to see that there are other ways | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
'to treat medical problems than just pills. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:50 | |
'I wonder if that message will get through to Wendy.' | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
And I must say, all my family had a headache the whole weekend | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
and they were like, "There was no pills to take." | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
They were like, "We've got no pills, we've got no pills." | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
And I was like, "Have a glass of water." | 0:45:05 | 0:45:07 | |
This is where I think there was nothing in them. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
Wendy's committed herself to the experiment I devised to see | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
if her painkillers are really working. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
Last night, about 80%, I took the pills. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
Today I took some pills and, I must say, | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
I don't feel any pain at the moment. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
She spent two weeks marking a chart I've given her | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
to record her pain levels. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
I woke up this morning about 80%. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
My neck is screaming, so I don't think | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
there was anything in them tablets. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
Thank you. I'm sure the tablets I just took in the evening | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
were placebos, because it's gone up a little bit. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
It's day 15, the last day of the trial. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
I'm really worried that when Dr Chris comes round | 0:45:48 | 0:45:50 | |
he's going to say I'm just taking them for the sake of taking them. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:55 | |
Hopefully that won't be the case. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
'If this proves Wendy's drugs aren't working, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
'it means she's been wasting her time and money on them | 0:46:05 | 0:46:08 | |
'for the past 20 years.' | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
Hello. Who is that? The pizza man? | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
How are you doing? It's very nice to see you. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
I don't normally kiss patients but, OK, you can have a kiss tonight. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
Are you going to join all the dots tonight? | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
We're going to join the dots, all will be revealed. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
I've, cautiously, optimistically brought a bottle of wine. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
It's very nice to see you. Cheers. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
So, um, I guess what I want to know is - | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
how has it been going the last few days? | 0:46:32 | 0:46:36 | |
Good. Um... | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
I've not been in a lot of pain. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
Have you got your pill box? Yeah. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
You've written a little note here, what does it say? | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
Like, there's nothing in them ones. But the rest of them you thought | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
there probably was something in them? Yeah. Can I draw the graph? | 0:46:52 | 0:46:55 | |
It's going to be all over the place. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
'Before I tell Wendy what's in the pills, | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
'I want to fill in her pain chart. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
'The higher the dot, the more pain she's in.' | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
It's not easy to join these dots, Wendy, | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
cos your pain is really variable. Yeah, it is. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
So, why don't we draw on this what we've done with your pills? | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
This should be interesting. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
So, the red is your paracetamol. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
OK. OK? And that went like this. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
We reduced Wendy's dose of paracetamol over the first week, | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
so she's had no paracetamol at all for ten days. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
Oh, my God. I've had no paracetamol. | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
Since day five. It's been ten days since you had a single gram of | 0:47:38 | 0:47:43 | |
paracetamol. Your pain was quite low on that day, wasn't it, | 0:47:43 | 0:47:46 | |
on day five? | 0:47:46 | 0:47:47 | |
Here's what we've done with your codeine. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:49 | |
OK, you were at 100% of codeine... | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
We kept Wendy at her full dose of codeine for the first week and then | 0:47:53 | 0:47:57 | |
reduced it gradually, | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
so she's had no codeine at all for the last five days. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
Today, I've had no paracetamol or codeine? | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
No. None since Friday. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:07 | |
And yesterday you didn't have any, | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
and the day before that you didn't have any. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
You last had a painkiller on Monday morning, you had one codeine. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
You are joking. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:17 | |
That was it, that was the last painkiller you had, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
so the pills that you have been wolfing... | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
..the pills that... Oh, my God. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
You've had nothing. I've had nothing. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
I think what I was really genuinely terrified about is | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
I would see your pain down here, getting worse | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
and worse and worse and worse, | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
and there is no way I can see that on that graph. No. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
Give me a hug, I'm so happy. I'm so happy. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:48 | |
It's a perfect demonstration for Wendy | 0:48:48 | 0:48:49 | |
that drugs aren't treating her pain. | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
The road to salvation with that shoulder | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
will be in exercising it and strengthening it. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
Well, I'm never buying any paracetamol again, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
so the kids can go swing for it. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
Glass of water. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
Thank you. Thank you for doing that. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
You've totally... | 0:49:12 | 0:49:14 | |
Have a good weekend. Bye, Jasper. DOG BARKS | 0:49:14 | 0:49:16 | |
Bye. So, it's good, but the battle is only half-won, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
because Wendy does have a habit and I don't think it would take all that | 0:49:19 | 0:49:24 | |
much before she went, "You know what? | 0:49:24 | 0:49:26 | |
"Maybe I'll go back and try those naproxen or those Nurofen | 0:49:26 | 0:49:28 | |
"or I might go back to the tramadol." | 0:49:28 | 0:49:30 | |
She'd have another go. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
So I have to prove to her, fairly quickly, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
that exercise and strength-building is going to fix her pain. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:39 | |
Wendy's attitude to her medications | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
changed when I proved to her that they weren't working. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
He'd need to come in himself to register. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:53 | |
And that's given me an idea that may help cut antibiotic prescriptions | 0:49:53 | 0:49:58 | |
at the surgery. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
After all, I failed to show how it can be done | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
by taking a clinic myself. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
In general practice, it's really hard to tell the difference | 0:50:05 | 0:50:08 | |
between a bacterial infection and a viral infection. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
Viral infections don't need antibiotics, | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
but bacterial infections, | 0:50:12 | 0:50:13 | |
if you miss them and you don't prescribe antibiotics, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
patients can die, doctors can get sued, it's really bad news. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
'And the other difficulty I had was persuading patients | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
'that they didn't need them. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
'Today, I've brought along something to solve both these problems.' | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
So, this brings the hospital laboratory | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
to the GP's bedside, the patient's bedside. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
'This machine will help me decide | 0:50:38 | 0:50:39 | |
'if they have a bacterial infection or not.' Come in. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
'I'm hoping it will help cut the surgery's prescription rates today.' | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
Hi. You think you need antibiotics? | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
Yes. OK. Because I've always been told that viruses | 0:50:49 | 0:50:52 | |
should take nine days in and out of your body. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
'This machine works by measuring inflammation markers in the blood. | 0:50:55 | 0:51:00 | |
'A result of very 20 means the infection | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
'is more likely to be bacterial.' | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
CRP of 65. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
I think you might be getting some antibiotics. SHE LAUGHS | 0:51:08 | 0:51:12 | |
'Well, not an ideal start, but at least she needs them.' | 0:51:12 | 0:51:15 | |
Hi. Do you want to come in? | 0:51:17 | 0:51:19 | |
That's quite a gang. Did you want antibiotics? | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
Yes, of course. OK. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:23 | |
This is a test to see how bad your chest infection is. Yeah. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:29 | |
As well as reassuring worried patients | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
they're getting the right care, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
it will also give doctors peace of mind. | 0:51:33 | 0:51:35 | |
CRP less than five. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:36 | |
Uh-huh. I would say, on the basis of this result, | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
you will only be harmed by antibiotics. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
That's one course of needless antibiotics avoided. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
Because what you have to do now is wait. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
OK? So, you're just going to get better slowly. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
But none of my patients will leave empty-handed. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
You can have a book, a DVD, honey, lemon. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
That's your prescription. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
Thank you very much. Don't eat all that honey at once. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
Thanks. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:03 | |
What's your name? | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
Jake? How old are you? 12. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:08 | |
All right, I am going to give you a prescription today, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
you're going to get a lemon. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
You're going to get some honey. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
And there you go - a James Bond film. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
James Bond...one times per day. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:25 | |
Take three days off training. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
There's your prescription without antibiotics. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
Of the 22 antibiotic prescriptions written out that day, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
my machine and I managed to stop two, a reduction of nearly 10%. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:39 | |
If we did that every day of the year, | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
if we did that across the country, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:43 | |
that is a massive reduction in the number of antibiotics. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
So, I guess it's not for me to say the practice should take this up, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
but I think... | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
I think there is room for this. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
'I've arranged a meeting with the partners | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
'to see if they're interested in the machine.' | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
The machine is somewhere about between ?700 and ?800. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
It's ?4.50 a test. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
Is this a thing that you think | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
you'd be interested in? | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
First of all - there's the cost of the machine and who's paying for it. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:19 | |
There's then also the cost of someone either to run the machine | 0:53:19 | 0:53:23 | |
or the cost of our time doing those tests. | 0:53:23 | 0:53:27 | |
We're never going to be in the position where, at our fingertips, | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
we have every test that we may wish to have. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
'The problem here is the doctors simply don't have | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
'the time or money to run even simple tests like this.' | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
If I'm going to make any changes here, it has to be...seamless. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:48 | |
It has to be things that do not take any time. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:52 | |
And it seems trivial, like, "Oh, it's global catastrophe, | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
"you can do your bit," and they're like, "We're already doing our bit, | 0:53:55 | 0:53:58 | |
"we already prescribe carefully, and, you know, like hell | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
"we're going to use your machine and run even later than we already are." | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
Wendy doing her exercises in very limited space | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
in the bedroom. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
It's taken a while to convince Wendy to give up her painkillers. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
She's now trying a programme of exercises to strengthen her back, | 0:54:28 | 0:54:32 | |
to see if it will help with the pain. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
When I last saw Wendy, I threw away all her drugs that I'd confiscated, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:47 | |
so I hope she hasn't had a wobble. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
None of you people are Wendy. Where's Wendy? | 0:54:53 | 0:54:55 | |
There she is. Hi, Wendy. Come on in. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:56 | |
Nice to see you again. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
How's the back? | 0:54:58 | 0:55:00 | |
It is better. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:01 | |
I'm not in... | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
I'm not in pain like I was before. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:06 | |
So, that is what no-one's ever told you | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
is that exercise is a painkiller, for almost everything, | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
whether you've got knee pain or hip pain or back pain or neck pain, | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
even if you've got a headache, exercise is a painkiller. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
For me to not take any drugs, I can't actually believe it myself. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:23 | |
I don't even take them for a headache now. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
I don't take anything at all. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
I feel like I am leaving you in quite a good state. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
OK, well, it's our last consultation, have a hug. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
Oh, my God. Thank you so much. Aww. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:36 | |
No, no, no, you've totally inspired me, | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
you've totally inspired me. I really appreciate everything you've done. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
You have literally done the hard work. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
Thank you so much. Cheers, Wendy. Bye. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
It's been an interesting journey. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
I'm really, really happy. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:55 | |
I don't take any drugs at all. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
I'm exercising every other night. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
And I think I'm going to get better. | 0:56:03 | 0:56:04 | |
I think, for 20 years, Wendy took drugs | 0:56:06 | 0:56:09 | |
that totally distracted her and everyone else from | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
finding the actual cause of the pain. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
What an amazing place we've got to with healing and medicine | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
that we just go, "Take these...take these pills"?! | 0:56:20 | 0:56:25 | |
Wendy is the clearest example of the madness | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
of the way we do medicine. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
I'm beginning to make sense of the madness. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
Wendy's now off her drugs and I'm hoping Sarah | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
will soon start coming off the antidepressants. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
I'm more convinced than ever that drug-free treatments | 0:56:44 | 0:56:48 | |
can work better than the pills. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
Next, I'm going to supersize my experiment | 0:56:51 | 0:56:54 | |
to take as many patients as possible off drugs. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
Keep up, everyone. Come on. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
I try to get a group of patients at risk of a heart attack | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
off their medication. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:07 | |
This is a disaster. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:08 | |
It is. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:11 | |
I take on the pharmaceutical industry... | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
This is a multi, multi-billion dollar industry. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
I don't know how we combat this. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
..and I discover just how hard it is to treat people without drugs. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:23 | |
You need to make these swims like doctor's appointments. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:27 |