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Get your pills. Honest pharmacy. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
We are selling pills with side effects guaranteed. | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
'My name is Chris van Tulleken. I'm a doctor.' | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
Gastric bleeding, sir? | 0:00:09 | 0:00:11 | |
'I've been searching for solutions to a medical crisis that affects us all.' | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
It can erode your stomach lining and then you bleed from your stomach. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
And it kills a certain number of people every year. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
Every year, doctors hand out over a billion prescriptions. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
That's over 15 courses of medicine for every man, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
woman and child in this country. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
If you've got a headache, take paracetamol. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
If you've got a backache, take co-codamol. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Aaah. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
Drugs certainly save lives, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
but this binge on medicines is dangerous. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
That is an overdose. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
How could this ever be good for a human being? | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
Millions suffer side effects... | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
I was waking up depressed. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
..and thousands die every year. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
Overuse of medication is one of the most serious problems that we face. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:05 | |
I believe there's another way. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
Today is the last day that you are going to take these drugs. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
I've been working at a GP surgery in North East London, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
trying to treat patients without drugs. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
You need to make these swims like doctor's appointments. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
I faced worried doctors... | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
Stopping things could be downright dangerous. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
..and sceptical patients. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:27 | |
To just walk out with nothing, I wouldn't feel safe. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
Now I want to use what I've learned to supersize my experiment | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
and get as many patients as I can off drugs. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
SHE GROANS | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
I'll take a group of people at risk of a heart attack off their medication. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
So, hand over your drugs. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
But persuading Britain to go cold turkey... | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
This is a disaster. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
..could be the hardest thing I've ever done. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
Fix me, please. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Intensely depressed about how to make it change. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
Churchill Healthcare, Pat speaking. Can I help? I've got the morning. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
Morning's no good, is it? | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
Churchill Medical Centre is a busy GP surgery in Chingford, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
North East London. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
-Who's up next? -Tina Hill? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
It looks infected. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
I'm working with the doctors here to try and find ways to reverse | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
the steep rise in how often we pop pills. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
-Take care, my love. -Thanks, guys. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
In the 14 years I've been a doctor, | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
prescription rates have shot up by over 50%. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
Thank you very much. Cheers. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
Kevin Wingrove? | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Do you want injections? | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
Do you want pills? | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
Do you want an operation? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
Drugs benefit countless lives, but they can cause side effects, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
from headaches to stomach bleeds, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
and our overuse is now a major public health concern. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
Do you think we could just give you some nice fruit juice? | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Yeah. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
I believe we should be turning to new research that suggests | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
many common illnesses are best treated without drugs. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
Clean socks, clean feet... | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
-Yep. -..and keep them warm. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
The doctors here think over-prescription is a problem, too, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
but they're sceptical about how likely I am to make a difference. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
It would be lovely to see if he could do it. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
I don't think it's going to be a walk in the park. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Nonetheless, I've been encouraged by a few successes. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
Wendy had been using medication for her bad shoulder for 20 years, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
and now she's drug-free. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
For me to not take any drugs, I can't actually believe it myself. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
Oh, my God. Thank you so much. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
No, no, no, you've totally inspired me. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
-You've totally inspired me. -Thanks for everything you've done. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
So far, I've been treating specially selected cases, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
but I want to make a real difference by offering drug-free treatments | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
to all 14,000 patients at the practice. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
-Morning. -Good morning. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
Today is the first day I am going to run my drug-free clinic. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
I'm offering patients 30-minute appointments, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
20 minutes longer than they'll get with their GPs. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
The extra time will help me work out what pill-free therapies | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
to offer them. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:12 | |
So I put out my sign for the clinic. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
-Oh, right. -I've got my three waiting seats upstairs, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
so if those seats are full, can you get people to sit out here, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
-you know...? -Cool. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:24 | |
The public will get the chance to choose me or see their doctors. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
Neither of you are interested in coming to my drug-free clinic? | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
-Um, no. -I don't understand how they could prescribe something | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
and then not give a prescription. I don't get that. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
So, at the moment, prescriptions are an awful lot more popular | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
than my non-prescription clinic. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
Yes. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
Has anyone expressed any interest at all? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
I don't know about out there, but not to me. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
No-one's said anything all morning? And you've been here all morning? | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
I have. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:21 | |
I'm not sure where I'm going wrong. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
Come in. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
Hey, Kam. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:28 | |
'Dr Kam Seehra is a partner here.' | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
So I'm trying to run my drugs-free clinic in the room upstairs | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
and it's not working, and I don't know why. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
I think it's because patients, for want of a better word, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
want a quick fix. Society nowadays, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
you just haven't got time to deal with the lifestyle changes. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
Basically, it's about motivation, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
and I think that motivation is going to be your struggle, really. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
For a lot of people it's easier to take that tablet. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
How am I going to deal with this? What can I do? | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
You might actually want to target some patients | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
who are on painkillers and some of the more common medications, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
perhaps antidepressants. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
Sometimes they're not as effective as the patient might think. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
I've got some ideas on how to motivate patients, | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
but first I've got to sign some up. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
So I have some leaflets. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
The No Drugs Clinic. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
For an appointment, it's room nine. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
-Perfect. -Good. All right. -No problem. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
The receptionists have agreed to do some marketing for me, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
to find the kinds of patients Kam's suggesting. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
Cheers, guys. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
For the last three weeks, I've been working with someone | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
who's taking a drug I've been recommended to target. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Antidepressants do help some people, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
but 24-year-old Sarah has been taking hers for eight years. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
I need my eyeballs by the end of it. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
After I introduced her to cold water swimming, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
Sarah decided to give it a try in place of her pills. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
-How do you feel, Sarah? -On top of the world. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
Research carried out at the University of Portsmouth suggests | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
that swimming in cold water could help treat anxiety and depression. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
When was the last time you felt this good? | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
-When my little girl was born. -Really? -Yeah, really. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
But before she starts to come off her drugs, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
I want Sarah to be benefitting from swimming outdoors regularly. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
It's the weekend and it's two weeks since we swam together. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
-Hey, Sarah. -Hiya. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
How are you feeling today? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Erm... Pretty rubbish at the moment. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
Yeah, I mean, you look almost tearful, if I'm honest. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
-No, you can't see. -No? | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
I'm not tearful. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
Yeah, unfortunately, the resolution is really good and I can see | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
your eyes filling with tears. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
I'm only laughing because you are. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
So how's the last week been? | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
Well, unable to get any sort of childcare, so I haven't been able | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
to go swimming, which I'm quite upset about. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
I seem to have had a bit of a come-down. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
It's hard this, isn't it? Because, to put this | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
in the starkest medical terms, | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
you have a medical problem for which you need to go and have treatment, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
and if you were going for chemotherapy, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
if you were going for an operation, everyone would give you childcare. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
I think this is no less important. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
So, yeah, why could you not have gone today? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Today? I don't want to today. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
Yeah, that's the biggest reason - I don't want to today. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
Yeah. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
I'm miserable. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
I'm fed-up. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
Yeah. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:56 | |
So, you've lost a bit of momentum? | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Yeah. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:01 | |
Today, yeah. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
What you're describing is the thing that screws us all up. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
This is kind of the anatomy of failure. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
We fail one tiny, tiny, tiny bit at a time, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
and we miss it one week and then it's easier to miss it | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
the next week, then it's easier to miss it the next week. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
But you need to make these swims like doctor's appointments, OK? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:24 | |
-It's just been a bad week. -All right, all right. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
I'll speak to you later then. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
OK. All right. Bye. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
Oh, I feel naive. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:33 | |
I just feel like, "Oh, God." | 0:09:33 | 0:09:34 | |
You know, I just thought we could dunk her in cold water | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
and she'd feel better. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
I'm hoping the pep talk will get her swimming, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
but I'm beginning to doubt my approach. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
But there's good news back at the surgery - | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
after hundreds of phone calls, I'm starting to get interest | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
in my no-drug clinic. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
Crystal. Come on in. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
-Do you want a hand? -Please. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:06 | |
What do you want to get...? I'll get the handbag, I'll get the bags. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
Tell me what the issue is. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
I'm in pain every day, just kind of varying degrees. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
I've got it going up my neck. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
I get a lot of pain down my right side. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
I mean, you're obviously in a lot of pain now, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
sitting here talking to me. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
I'm actually... This is a good day. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
What do you want, in the broadest possible way? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
I just want to be normal. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
I just want to work and live, rather than feel like I'm existing. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
Crystal is 36, and she's been like this for three years. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:51 | |
Long-term, or chronic, pain is surprisingly common. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
14 million people in the UK suffer from some form of it. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
But Crystal's case is extreme, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
and her doctors don't know what to do with her. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
So there's nothing that anyone has been able to find, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
specialists or GPs, that explains why she's having | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
all this really severe pain? | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
In a nutshell, no, | 0:11:16 | 0:11:17 | |
and it's difficult to manage if you don't know where it's coming from. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
'Doctor Nausheen Hameed is overseeing Crystal's care. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
'Physiotherapy hasn't worked and they're relying on | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
'powerful painkillers to help her.' | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
Left to general practice, what would happen? | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
It would continue to cycle between a referral here, a referral there, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
back to us for repeat prescriptions the next five, ten years. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:42 | |
And that's sad, actually. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
-Nausheen, thanks very much. -You're welcome. -I will go and try | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
-and find some way of doing this without drugs. -Well, good luck. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
All the best. Bye. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
-I'll keep you informed. -Thank you. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
Trying to get her off the medications is an amazing idea, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
but I think it's going to be a struggle. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
She's been on them for such a long time and, you know, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
they are controlling her pain to some extent, and I just worry that, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
you know, how is she going to cope without them? | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
It's estimated that millions of people live with pain | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
that has no apparent cause, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
but for patients like Crystal, the suffering is very real. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
I am not an expert in chronic pain, so I want to find out | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
what is it like to try and live at home in that amount of pain? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
Hello? | 0:12:44 | 0:12:45 | |
Hi, Crystal, it's Chris. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Here we are. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Smiling but moving slow. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
-Sorry. -Don't be sorry. How you doing? -At the moment, not too bad. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
But I have been known to come up here on my bottom. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Not dignified or comfortable. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
No. None of this is dignified. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
And this is what I do. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
But I can't stay in that position for too long | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
because my neck starts to hurt. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:18 | |
I'm sorry, I took some meds a little while ago, so now I'm starting to... | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
You're a little bit slow... | 0:13:26 | 0:13:27 | |
-Foggy. -..and a little bit foggy, yeah. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
Don't worry. Give me the tour. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
You've got a feature wall. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
Of course. Changing Rooms - it was my programme in the day. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
Crystal lives here with her teenage son. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
I was in the gym when I was first made aware that there was something | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
wrong with my back. I was training for a 10k run... | 0:13:48 | 0:13:53 | |
Cancer Research. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
They basically could hear my back, it was that loud, and came over | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
and said, "Look, you need to go and get that checked out." | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
And then, within a short space of time, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
I just couldn't move or anything without screaming out in pain. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:12 | |
Crystal now spends most of her time trapped in this flat. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
She can't work and she's only able to get out | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
after elaborate preparation. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
This is my corset. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
It just stops my back, or rather my tail bone, | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
from feeling like it's going to pop right through the skin. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
And she doesn't go anywhere without her neck brace. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
Today we're off to pick up her month's supply of painkillers. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
What's so bad about the bus? | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
Right now, exactly what he's doing, just braking - | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
all of that I can feel. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:52 | |
Just bloody painful. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
Hopefully they won't have run out. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
-No. -So, is this it? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:01 | |
It is today. I normally have two. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
-Normally you have two? It's heavy. -Thank you. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Take care. See you later. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
I'm amazed at just how many drugs Crystal's picked up, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
and I'm worried what it's doing to her. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
Spread the drugs out. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
That's the heaviest bit of shopping. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
-So I have my codeine... -OK. -..which is a pain reliever. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
I take four of those four times a day. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
So, you're taking 16 of these per day? | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
-Yes. -That's a huge dose. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
'Codeine is related to morphine and heroin, and it can be addictive.' | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
This one is the tramadol, and I'm taking that three times a day. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
OK. So that's a stronger version of codeine. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
A stronger version of the codeine, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
and I take those, basically, together. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
'These drugs are called opioids. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
'They're similar to pain-reducing chemicals produced by our bodies | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
'called endorphins. They cause side effects like constipation | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
'and nausea, and Crystal has to take even more drugs to deal with those.' | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
If I was taking all of this and I felt pain-free | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
then I would at least feel like I was achieving something | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
by taking this amount of medication, but I'm still not pain-free. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
I don't get why you're taking these pills. I'm not sure you get why you're taking the pills, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
but is it just because there is nothing else to do? | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
Seriously, yeah. Yes, is the short of it. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
I'm pretty sure the answer doesn't lie in those pills, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
but rather in exercise and physical therapy but, at the moment, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
Crystal's so immobile | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
I'm not sure if she'll be able to do anything at all. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
I feel positive because I think | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Crystal is at least willing to try and do the hard work, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
but I don't think she's got a clue about how hard this is going to be. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
I need a swimming bag. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
A swimming bag would be a good idea. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
It's been a week since I spoke to Sarah, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
and she's responded well to my pep talk. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Today she's going cold water swimming again with her partner | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
at a nearby lake. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:12 | |
I want that feeling back. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
It just gets on top of you when you suffer with depression. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
Everything builds up and you do need a stress relief, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
and antidepressants don't do that. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
A bracing swim in 13-degree water will hopefully do the trick. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
Do I look attractive? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:36 | |
It's the first time she's been in cold water since I took her swimming | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
in Portsmouth over a fortnight ago. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
How is it, Sarah? | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
Actually quite nice. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
A lot nicer than Portsmouth, but still quite chill. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
I'll be back. I'm going to go swimming. See you in a bit. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Exposing the body to the shock of cold water can leave people | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
feeling euphoric. Some scientists think it may even condition them | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
to help deal with other stresses in their lives. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
But Sarah doesn't stay in very long. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
I can't breathe. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
I started looking at the water and I started feeling like I wasn't | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
moving anywhere. It was horrible. I thought I was going to drown. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
Tell me what happened. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
I swam out quite far on my own, and then I think I had nobody with me, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:46 | |
so I started to panic, thought I was going to drown, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
freaked out and swam back. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
What can we do next? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
How can we make this so it isn't terrifying every time? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
I think I found when I was in Portsmouth that swimming with somebody helped. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
-Right. -So... | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
Yeah, probably that would help. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
All right, we will figure something out and I will get back to you, all right? | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Sarah needs to just have someone to hold her hand in the way | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
that doctors, nurses and pharmacists do when you start a course | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
of prescription medication. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
Down another inch. Good stuff. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
I've decided to get Sarah a swimming coach to support her. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
She's been on antidepressants since she was a teenager, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
and coming off them can be hard. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
Between 2005 and 2012, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
the number of young people prescribed these drugs shot up | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
by 54%. For many, the first step is filling out a simple form. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
So I have here the PHQ-9 depression questionnaire, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
and this is one of the most common tools that GPs use in the UK | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
and all around the world, so I'm going to see if I am depressed. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
So, the questionnaire. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
"Over the last two weeks, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:08 | |
"how often have you been bothered by any of the following problems?" | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
Problem one. "Little interest or pleasure in doing things." | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
So, for several days, I have definitely had little interest | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
or pleasure in doing things. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
Number two. "How often over the last two weeks have you felt down, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
"depressed or hopeless?" | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
I haven't felt hopeless at any point in the last couple of weeks, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
but I have felt down or depressed. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
Some doctors use this test to help them prescribe | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
and monitor antidepressants. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
"How often have you been bothered by poor appetite or overeating?" | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
I mean, I just perpetually overeat. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
But it's also on the NHS website, allowing anyone to test themselves. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:51 | |
And then we add up the score. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
"Based on your responses today, it's very likely | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
"you could be suffering from some form of depression, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
"but only an experienced health professional can tell for sure." | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
So, according to this, I have moderate depression, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
and I'll tell you, I do NOT have moderate depression. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:10 | |
The striking thing about this is that there is not | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
a single positive question on it. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
Ask me some other questions. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Ask, "How often have you felt happy and positive about your life, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
"every single day?" | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
This is a questionnaire that does its best to force you to think | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
about how miserable your life is and how unhappy you are. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
This is a questionnaire that was developed by a drugs company, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
by a drugs company who make drugs that treat depression. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
This isn't the first time I've noticed the influence | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
of pharmaceutical companies. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
Just looking around the office... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
Pneumovax II. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
We've got a little duck here - Sanofi-Aventis, drug company. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
You know, that just reminds you that you can use that flu vaccine. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
Sponsored by GlaxoSmithKline. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
Yeah, this is a model of the female genital tract. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
You show the model to patients, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
and all the while there's a little branding there reminding you. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
It's just having the marketing here prompts people | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
to prescribe those brands more. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
It's just sort of the hidden hand of the pharmaceutical industry | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
in the office. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
And the marketing doesn't stop there. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
Clinical meeting. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
I'm on my way to a meeting the GPs are having | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
at another surgery nearby. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
There's a lunch to go with the meeting, and the lunch is, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
we've heard, sponsored and paid for by a drug company. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
And this is completely normal, OK? | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
This happens in hospitals, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:54 | |
in general practices all over the country every day, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
and my honest opinion is it is a total, total disgrace, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
and it's the only thing | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
that I've yet heard about with this practice that makes me... | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
kind of wince. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
It's a bribe. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
It's a simple bribe. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
The drug reps provide the food, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
and in return they get an opportunity to talk up | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
their latest products. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
-Where's lunch happening? -It's the second floor. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
'These lunches are a regular event.' | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
Is it a good selection of sandwiches, normally? | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
-Yeah. -Indian last week. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
On the menu today, a selection of upmarket salads and sandwiches. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
I want to know more, but the drug company rep has a word with the GPs. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
-Sorry, just while the drug reps are here. -Oh, you can't be called... | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
You can be in here but we can't be called while drug reps in here. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
The rep gives his talk and, ten minutes later, he leaves. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
Why do you have drug reps come at the beginning | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
of the clinical meeting? | 0:23:54 | 0:23:55 | |
-Be honest? -Completely honest, yeah. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
Have you just finished the truth, is that...? | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
I'm about 90% of the way through the truth. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Yeah, I'm eating the evidence. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
I mean, what they hope is it affects our prescribing data and the drugs | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
they prescribe, and every doctor you speak to will tell you categorically | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
it doesn't affect it. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
The practice use the free lunch to get together | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
and talk shop, but, in fact, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
recent research shows that doctors are more likely to prescribe | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
certain drugs if they take meals from drug reps. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
So I went in there and I swore that I wouldn't eat any of the food, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
and then midway through the meeting I realised that I had started | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
to eat a tangerine. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
We know it influences prescribing, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:40 | |
the drug companies know it influences prescribing. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
This is a multi-multi-billion dollar industry | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
with deep pockets and huge focus, and I don't know how we combat this. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:53 | |
First I'll try to get an explanation from the drug company rep | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
supplying the lunches. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
Chris van Tulleken here. I just wanted to give you a ring | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
to see if you'd be willing to have a chat with us on camera. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:06 | |
Thanks very much indeed, and we'll speak soon. I'll bung you over an e-mail this afternoon. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
All right. Cheers, bye. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
He does seem like a really nice bloke. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
In principle, if the communications team at his drugs company | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
are willing for us to speak to him, he's willing to speak to us. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
That should be nice, ask him some questions. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
So I'll write him an e-mail now. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
I'll wait for him to get back to me. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:28 | |
Meanwhile, I've got an important appointment with | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
chronic pain sufferer Crystal. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
So, we're going to see a physio | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
who is a really, really good physio. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
OK. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:43 | |
Because I want him to... | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
assess you, because he works with a lot of people like you | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
who have chronic pain. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:50 | |
Have you got any questions? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
No, not really, just can we get there quicker? | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
I'm not knocking your suspension! | 0:25:58 | 0:25:59 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
Getting appointments with NHS physiotherapists can take months, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
so I've had to go private. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
-Hi. Rob Madden, pleased to meet you. How are you? -Nice to meet you. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
-Would you like to come down? -Yep. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
Bend your knee up towards you again, slowly. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
Yeah, it's hurting. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Crystal's previous attempts at physiotherapy have failed, but | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
I hope this assessment will give me clues on the best way to treat her. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
Oh, my God, OK. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
Now I've got upper body pain, too. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
OK. You are doing absolutely fine. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:33 | |
This is how I get up out of bed. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
Chronic pain can be caused by a range of things, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
from damaged nerves to joint problems. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
Even the way the person perceives the pain can play a role. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
But Crystal's pain is worse because she's stopped moving | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
and has grown weak. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
Oh, Jesus. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
You OK? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
I need to find a way to build up her strength. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
So what do you think? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:02 | |
My outright concern is, at the moment, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
if you take her off her medications and ask her to do more physically, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:10 | |
then there's a high chance that she could have a bit of a flare-up, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
so all of her back pain could actually get worse. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
My gut instinct is that she will struggle without medication. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
So it's not just that my | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
plan might fail, it's that I might make her much worse. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
That could happen. We need to take small steps. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Rob wants me to get a second opinion. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
I still believe Crystal can get off these drugs. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
I do, I think her problems... | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
A huge amount of her problems are caused by drugs. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
This used to be called black gas. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
I'm meeting Dr Cathy Stannard at an exhibition containing some of | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
the earliest forms of pain management. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
"Oxford Vaporiser. Portable self-contained ether vaporiser | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
"for use in battle conditions." | 0:28:02 | 0:28:03 | |
Dr Stannard is one of the country's top consultants specialising | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
in chronic pain. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:10 | |
What do you think in general? | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
Your totally honest, blunt opinion about what I'm trying to do, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
about my attempt at a drugs-free clinic. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
Well, actually, in evidence terms, it's really sensible. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
-Really? -Certainly in pain, that makes sense. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
We know that medications aren't the answer. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
There is no evidence for effectiveness of opioids | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
-in the long term. -There's no evidence that they work at all? | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
There's no evidence. Even with somebody with long-term pain, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
if you start off they may well work for four to six weeks, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
and after that they will stop working. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
What proportion of people are harmed? | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
Cos you're saying we're giving out more and more of these kind of drugs | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
-in this country. -I think it's difficult to put a figure on. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
What we know for sure is that about 80% of people taking a drug, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
taking an opioid, will have at least one adverse effect. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
But we also know is that there are some more serious harms that are | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
associated with high doses over longer periods, so, for example, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:04 | |
disruption of hormones, changes in the immune system. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
Really? | 0:29:10 | 0:29:11 | |
With long-term exposure, | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
the drugs can actually make pain worse rather than better. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
Hi, Crystal, it's Chris. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:22 | |
Dr Stannard agrees Crystal should try and come off the drugs | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
if she feels able. She and crystal's GP have made a programme | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
to wean her off them safely. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
Today is the last day that you are going to take these drugs... | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
-OK. -..in the way that you've been taking them. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
'This won't be easy. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:44 | |
'Cutting down means that Crystal may have unpleasant withdrawal effects.' | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
The tramadol and the codeine - | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
they're addictive in the same way that heroin is... | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
-Yeah. -..that morphine is, so we need to taper these off | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
so that coming off them isn't worse than staying on them. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
So phase one is tapering, but we're not just going to do that, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
we want to actually try and fix you as well. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Over the next few weeks, her doses of drugs | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
will get smaller and smaller. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
-Cheers, Crystal. -Take care. -I'll see you soon. -Thank you. -Bye. -Bye. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
I'm also going to have to find a long-term solution that really works | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
to take the place of the drugs. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:24 | |
But first I'm turning my attention back to putting a stop to | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
the lunches at the surgery paid for by the pharmaceutical industry. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
You might think I'm getting a bit worked up about a few sandwiches | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
given out at a GP's practice in Chingford | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
by a pharmaceutical industry rep. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
Not a big deal. Small beer. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
Let me show you why I'm getting worked up. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
OK. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Over the last few years, OK, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
the drugs industry has paid 13 billion in fines | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
in the US alone. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
The fines are for a range of unethical activities, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
including bribing doctors to prescribe their drugs. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
While the lunches drug companies buy are perfectly legal, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
I'm uncomfortable with them having such direct access to our doctors. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
We get amazing drugs from them, but anyone who thinks | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
that a representative from a drugs company is going to give | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
totally independent, unbiased information about their product | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
is, frankly, insane. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
The drugs rep has been told not to speak to me, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
so I've come to the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
a body that represents drug companies in the UK, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
to speak to Dr Virginia Acha. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
We have filmed an awful lot of pizzas and sandwiches | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
and soft drinks and apples and packets of crisps | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
that are given out by pharmaceutical industry reps, | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
and that really concerns me. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
OK, and it should. So we do have a code of practice, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
so if their was evidence being presented there, it should be | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
proper scientific evidence. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
So you're comfortable with your NHS GP being educated by someone | 0:31:59 | 0:32:05 | |
who is employed directly by an industry that is selling drugs? | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
I would be concerned if my GP was not aware of all the different | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
treatment developments that were happening, | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
but what's interesting to me is the people who really get informed | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
at those meetings are the very same company representatives, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
because they're hearing questions | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
that perhaps were not thought through when the company was putting | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
together whatever material needed to support it, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:28 | |
or there's an insight about how care could be better delivered. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
If we don't have that feedback from the doctors about the quality | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
and impact of a medicine, there's no signal to the system to have a look | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
at a medicine and consider, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
"Is there something here that we should be looking at?" | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
Thank you so much. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:45 | |
I accept we cannot develop new drugs without | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
industry coming into contact with doctors and patients, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
but they're still influencing prescribing. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
Buying doctors sandwiches - it's not good. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
And even a sandwich changing hands, I think... | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
I think we can avoid that. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:05 | |
I think we can just get rid of the sandwiches. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
But the only way I can make that happen at Churchill is by persuading | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
the partners to stop taking the lunches. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
I'm really amazed, I guess, | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
that you have drugs company-sponsored lunches. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
-Why? -I guess maybe it feels like we're at a point in medicine | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
where we know it's bad, and it doesn't square with anything else | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
that I've seen in this practice. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
I mean, If I take you back to when we first met you, you know, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
you wanted to get everyone together, so what did you do? | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
I bought you all sandwiches. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:43 | |
Absolutely, because if there's one way you can get people together | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
it's provide something that makes it worth their coming. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
Well, maybe I'm no better, but to turn that on its head, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
the person who should be criticised here is you | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
for accepting my sandwiches, because it is a bribe. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
When I first started, I had an offer of a conference in a ski resort | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
that was basically a ski holiday. So, we've gone from there | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
-to once a month having a couple of sandwiches. -OK. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
We're constantly sent leaflets and invites to evening meetings | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
at very nice restaurants. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
'The doctors only take the lunches, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
'and they're adamant it doesn't affect their prescribing.' | 0:34:16 | 0:34:19 | |
The problem is that's what all doctors say, isn't it? | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
We all go, "Well, I'll eat the sandwiches, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
"but I'll plug my ears for the talk." | 0:34:23 | 0:34:25 | |
But we know that that isn't what happens. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:27 | |
Sometimes you don't look at things. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
-Yeah. -So you're just used to doing things in a certain way... | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
-I get it. -..and it takes someone external to come in and say, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
"Have you thought about...?" | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
'I hadn't understood how much... | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
'they turned down.' | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
And all my kind of anger and outrage is probably a bit misplaced. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:47 | |
However, we will make Churchill | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
a pharmaceutical industry-free practice. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
Following our meeting, the partners decide not to accept | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
drug company lunches any more. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
It's a small victory, but my ultimate mission | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
is to get as many people as possible off drugs. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
-Chris. -I soon have a patient at my no-drugs clinic who presents me | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
with an excellent opportunity to do that. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
I was told that there are alternatives to taking | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
the medication for things like blood pressure, diabetes, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
so I'm quite interested in that. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
'69-year-old Mike is taking ten tablets a day.' | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
So you are rattling, aren't you? | 0:35:28 | 0:35:29 | |
-Yeah. -Are you a well person or are you an ill person? | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
Yeah, I do keep fit. I do two stamina swims a week. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:37 | |
You're a fit man. We're just giving... | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
I mean, look... | 0:35:39 | 0:35:40 | |
There is something really weird about this pile of pills for someone | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
who is well, who's never had a stroke and never had a heart attack. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
It's all about preventing stuff. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
'Mike's pills are for high blood 'pressure, high cholesterol | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
'and type 2 diabetes, but I don't consider these diseases - | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
'they're simply conditions that put him | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
'at an increased risk of having a heart attack or a stroke.' | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
Do you get side effects from any of the tablets? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
You do. You get quite a dry mouth, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
and certainly pain in the eyes. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
Now, the pain in the eyes comes from... | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
..the blood pressure one. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
Do you want to take all the tablets? | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
No. I don't want to take any. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
-Great to see you. -Chris, all the best. -I'll see you soon, Mike. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
There's no way that we like taking pills and you're thinking, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
"Oh, not another one. When's it going to end? Or is this it? | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
"Is this what it's all about when you get old?" | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
Mike's drugs are the most prescribed drugs in the country. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
NHS guidelines prompt doctors | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
to put millions of people on these sorts of pills. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
It's a big issue and I need advice on how to approach it. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
Professor Sir Muir Gray used to be Chief Knowledge Officer of the NHS. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
Raised levels of cholesterol, raised blood pressure levels. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
You'll notice I'm not using the name of diseases. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
Raised level of blood sugar, type 2 diabetes - | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
this is really where too much medicine has focused. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
But what these people have got, in my view, | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
is they've got the problem of the modern environment, | 0:37:15 | 0:37:17 | |
they've got walking deficiency syndrome or hyper-sitting syndrome. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Muir thinks there's a simple way to treat these conditions | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
caused by modern life. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:25 | |
I would spend a lot more money on giving people support for exercise. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
And particularly physical exercise, I think we as a medical profession | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
have completely underestimated, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
and last year the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
which is a very august body, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
produced a report called Exercise: The Miracle Cure. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
I never thought I'd see that in my lifetime. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
A lot of the doctors say, "But we do, we tell people to exercise | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
"and they come back a month later and they've done no exercise, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
"so they have to have a pill." | 0:37:53 | 0:37:55 | |
Giving people supported programmes, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
not just giving them a bit of information or a bit of paper, | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
giving people support can be as effective | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
or more effective than medication. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
In our health care system, most patients are just told to exercise, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
rather than supported through it. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
I want to use Muir's advice to help patients like Mike | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
with a programme of supported activity. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
I just have to figure out how. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
Crystal's been slowly coming off her painkillers. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
She's discovering how awful coming off opioids can be. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
Day four. I have been on the loo | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
for pretty much most of the night. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
Diarrhoea and insomnia are common withdrawal effects. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
Feeling pain. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
Feeling it even more in my upper body today, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
but I'm guessing that's because I've not had much sleep. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
I'm really struggling today. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
I'm pretty hot at the moment, too. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
Today really sucks. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
Crystal will also need supported therapy if this is going to work, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
and I've found something unusual for her to try. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
-Crystal. -Hey. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
-Thanks for agreeing to meet me. -That's OK, I'm glad you're here. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
-You all right? -I'm very shaky. -You're looking a little shaky. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
-Yeah. -But you're going to be just fine, OK? Let's go. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
The man I'm taking her to meet is an expert in pain. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Crystal, this is Dennis. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
-Hi, I'm Dennis. -Hi, nice to meet you. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
Attention. Bow. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
Dennis Ngo is a kung fu master who's been teaching for nearly 40 years. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
Stretch your groin. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Keep your body upright. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
So, the logic about why we chose this kind of kung fu | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
is because it's exercise, it's slow. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
I think more than anything else, we all believe, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
the team of people that have talked about you, | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
that this can get inside your head and deal with your body. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
Yeah. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:15 | |
'Many martial arts aren't just about combat. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
'They focus on breathing, posture, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
'mindfulness, and they condition practitioners to deal with pain.' | 0:40:21 | 0:40:25 | |
Number one thing - don't tick off Dennis, OK? | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
Dennis will see Crystal privately for a few lessons | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
before she joins the class. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
How much do you want to get out of this? | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
-Everything. I want... I really... -Do you really want to? -Yes. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
We take someone like you and we build them up very slowly. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
In... | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
I'm taking Crystal into uncharted territory. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:58 | |
There's no established scientific evidence that kung fu will work. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Oh, sh...! | 0:41:01 | 0:41:02 | |
I know, OK. Stay there. Come on. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
But Dennis has a deep knowledge of the human body. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
Gyrate it very slowly, the other side... | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Oh, shit! | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
I need you to actually push a little bit through. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
The one thing I need you to do is not to search for pain. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
-A lot of people who have pain... -Yeah. -..they look for the pain | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
instead of allowing the pain to arrive. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
So, allow the pain to arrive, if it does. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
-OK. -If it doesn't, be surprised, be happy. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
-OK. -OK? -OK. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
Look up, look up. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:39 | |
Keep your back straight. Look up. That's it. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
-I am going to stretch your back. -That feels great. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
Crucially, I think Dennis will inspire Crystal to accept | 0:41:45 | 0:41:48 | |
that this will be a painful road to recovery. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
-Good. -It's good pain, it's good pain. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:52 | |
-It's very good, isn't it? -Yep, it's great. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
-He's the real deal, isn't he? -He is. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
He spoke more sense about pain than I think almost any doctor | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
-I've ever met. -That's why I said I wanted to take him back with us! | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
I'm hopeful these classes will help Crystal. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
But even if it works, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:13 | |
it is hard to imagine GPs adopting kung fu as a treatment plan. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:17 | |
However, I've come up with something simple that Churchill's doctors | 0:42:19 | 0:42:23 | |
might be able to use in place of a huge number of their prescriptions. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
I've arranged to meet Mike and a group of others who are taking drugs | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
to lower their risk of heart attacks and strokes. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:34 | |
There are thousands of patients like them at the surgery, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
and this group would like to stop. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
Hi, everyone. Thank you for coming. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Sorry I'm late. Just as a straw poll, | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
how many people here have had side effects? | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
OK. So, six out of nine people. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
So I have a treatment that will reduce your risk, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
not just of having a heart attack or stroke, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
it will also improve your mood, | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
it will reduce your risk of all kinds of cancers, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
it is essentially a miracle cure and it is side effect-free. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:05 | |
-So, my proposition... -What's the catch? | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
The catch is there is no catch. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
It's literally a total win, OK? | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
So the proposition is... five times a week for 30 minutes, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:15 | |
we're going to go for a walk, a brisk walk. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
What do you think? | 0:43:20 | 0:43:21 | |
There are a few slightly sceptical faces around the group. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:27 | |
I think we're going to have to see how this goes. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:29 | |
OK, right, I will lead on. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
Keep up, everyone. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:33 | |
Come on. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
'Something tells me this won't be a walk in the park.' | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
I just hope I've got the motivation to keep doing it. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:44 | |
It's commitment, it's fitting it into my lifestyle. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
We can all step out the door and go for a walk, | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
but you sit in the chair instead, don't you, | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
cos there's no-one sort of making you do it. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
They may not be so keen on walking now, but once they | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
experience the benefits, I hope they'll be converted. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
Research has shown that walking regularly has astonishing | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
healing powers, from reducing obesity | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
to cutting the risk of cancer. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:13 | |
'I want to see what effect walking will have on the conditions | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
'they're taking drugs for, so we're measuring their blood pressure, | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
'their blood sugars and their weight.' | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
Patient number one, Michael. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
Hello. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
'I'll take these measurements again | 0:44:30 | 0:44:31 | |
'when they've done eight weeks of walking. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
'We're also stopping a drug they've all been prescribed called a statin. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
'It lowers cholesterol, | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
'and I want to see if walking can do the same job.' | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
This is the entire NHS budget. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
Then you press the space bar. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
'I'm being helped by Catherine, | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
'a senior nurse who manages their medication.' | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
Do you think we're going to be able to relieve your workload | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
a little bit by getting people walking? | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
Realistically? | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
-No. -Why? | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
I've seen people can achieve great things with motivation, | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
but something happens in their life and they get off track. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:09 | |
These people get easily derailed. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
I'm hoping the fact they'll be walking in a group and that | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
I'll be supporting them will make the difference. | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
Sarah's treatment of cold water swimming has shown me how | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
some patients need support to complete their therapy. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
She struggled to go by herself, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
so I arranged a swimming coach to help her. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
I want to see how she's getting on. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:35 | |
It's just like the country. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:40 | |
-We are in the country. -It is the country. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
Sarah's now been swimming regularly for a month. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
I tell you what, everyone else is in wet suits. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
Yep. | 0:45:57 | 0:45:58 | |
-But not us. -Nope. -I haven't got depression, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
I don't see why I can't have a wet suit. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
Everyone else is wearing one. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
That is not 19 degrees. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
When Sarah first started, | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
she could barely swim 50 metres on her own. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
Now she's training to swim kilometres. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
Whoa! | 0:46:20 | 0:46:21 | |
So, you've come a really long way. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
It's brilliant. I can't describe it, but it's lovely. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:31 | |
I find that if I do have a low | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
with anything or I'm having a particularly bad day, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
I find that if I come here, it solves it straight away. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:40 | |
Up the stairs, darling. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
'I'm hoping the swimming has been a catalyst for positive changes in her life.' | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
Hello. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
'The last time I came here, Sarah's house was full of clutter. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:56 | |
'A lot of it belonged to her brother who died just over a year ago.' | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
Look at this! | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
I mean, wow. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:05 | |
Right? So, last time I was here, you could hardly get around the bed. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
This is like a different room. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:10 | |
It's really nice. You're in the room with someone who's | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
got a kind of organised life and organised head, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
and someone who's got their act together. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:18 | |
Yeah. That's how I feel. | 0:47:18 | 0:47:20 | |
'She's now working with her GP to wean herself off her antidepressants.' | 0:47:20 | 0:47:25 | |
I'm on 20mg now, and... | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
Hold on, and you were on 40. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
-I was on 40. -So you've halved? -Yep. -OK. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
Yeah, I feel a lot more energetic, it's nice to feel a little more... | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
me. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
Evie, how's Mum been? | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
Yeah. We've been all good, isn't it? | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
'Sarah's still got some work to do, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
'but she's now on the right track to getting off | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
'the antidepressants for good.' | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
In Sarah's case, lasting happiness | 0:47:52 | 0:47:53 | |
is going to come from exercise, diet, | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
friendships, her job, the way she's bringing up Evie, her relationship. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
That is what you can't put in a pill, and that, | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
I think in Sarah's case, is what the drug was stopping her doing. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
With Sarah doing so well, I want to see how Crystal's getting on. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
12 weeks ago, her chronic pain left her barely able to move, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:20 | |
despite taking 30 pills a day. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:22 | |
I've adopted a radical approach to get her exercising - kung fu. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
There is no good treatment for chronic pain, | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
so if we've made a dent in it and at least she's not on | 0:48:33 | 0:48:37 | |
pills that she hates and were causing her side effects, | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
that will be good. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:42 | |
I'm nervous. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:44 | |
This is the first time I've seen her in over two months. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
She's standing on one leg. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:04 | |
She's smiling. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
She's laughing. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
Look. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:09 | |
She's moving. I haven't seen her wince or hold her back or... | 0:49:15 | 0:49:19 | |
Hello. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:24 | |
How are you? I'm sorry, I'm smelly and sweaty now. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
Look, look, look. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
So, I was just watching you the last little bit from outside the door. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:34 | |
I'm completely blown away. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
Cool. Well, I've worked bloody hard, to be honest, to get here, | 0:49:38 | 0:49:42 | |
and Dennis is a pretty good drill sergeant. | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
-How has it been? -I've been very, very proud of her. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
Very. She wanted it. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:49 | |
Honestly, she wanted it. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
No-one can get her to do what she does if they're not ready. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
And she really wanted it. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:56 | |
-You know, I'm very... -I feel like a good student. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
-I'm very proud of you. -Thank you so much. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
Much appreciated. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:03 | |
It's learning to stand, learning to walk. Even the slightest thing, | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
you know, Dennis will come round and say, "Your head's not straight," | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
and do that, and I don't even notice cos it's what we're used to. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
So it's been good. Don't get me wrong, I have bad days still, | 0:50:12 | 0:50:18 | |
but not like I had before. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
I just think you are the poster girl for what harm drugs can do | 0:50:20 | 0:50:25 | |
and how there are other things you can do apart from taking pills. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:30 | |
-No pressure. -Give me a big old hug. -Thank you. Sweaty hands. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
Dennis, give me a hug. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:34 | |
Crystal's transformation shows that exercise | 0:50:37 | 0:50:40 | |
really can be a miracle cure. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
It benefits the whole body, from the brain to the bones, | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
enhancing its ability to heal itself. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
But bringing this miracle to my walkers is proving hard. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
So, is this normal, that it's just two people? | 0:50:57 | 0:51:00 | |
Well, it has been for the past three nights. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
This is a disaster. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
It is. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:06 | |
Hi, is that Sophie? | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
It's Chris here. I know you're not being lazy... | 0:51:08 | 0:51:11 | |
'I'm determined to make sure the group gets the support | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
'it needs to thrive.' | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
Spiky! | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
'This walking programme could easily be rolled out at the surgery.' | 0:51:20 | 0:51:24 | |
Spike, my mother-in-law's dog. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
'Thousands of their patients are on medication to lower their risks | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
'of heart attacks and strokes.' | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
That's no way to say hello. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
That's it. Once he gets going, there's a lot of momentum. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
'But I've got to keep my test group walking regularly | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
'so I can demonstrate the benefits.' | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
You're going a bit faster. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:44 | |
'Five walks a week, 30 minutes a day is all it takes.' | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
Two miles. Pace, 15.37. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:52 | |
My pain in my leg's gone, though. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:53 | |
-Has it? -When I used to kneel down, I could never get up, | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
but it's gone now, I can't believe it. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
What I said at the beginning of this - walking is a miracle cure. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:01 | |
They're certainly feeling the benefits, | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
but has the walking lowered their risks of heart attacks? | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
Michael Smith? | 0:52:06 | 0:52:08 | |
The eight-week experiment is over. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
-Ouch. -There's always one. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:13 | |
-Come in, have a seat. -Before the group started walking, they had | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
their baseline measurements taken for various conditions they have... | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
Mummy's big and brave. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
..from type 2 diabetes to high blood pressure. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
They even stopped taking their statins so we could measure | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
the effect the walking had on their cholesterol levels. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
I'm nervous about the results. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
-Hi, Catherine. -Hi, Chris. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
-You got something for me? -I've got the results. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
Lordy, lordy. | 0:52:45 | 0:52:47 | |
'It's good news. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:48 | |
'The blood sugar levels of the walkers with type 2 diabetes | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
'have changed dramatically.' | 0:52:52 | 0:52:54 | |
His HbA1c... | 0:52:54 | 0:52:55 | |
This is the measurement of how good his diabetes has been | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
over the last few weeks. It's now 57 from 75. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
-That's fantastic. -I mean, that... | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
Is that a good result? You see this the whole time. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
-Yeah. -Is it? -Absolutely. | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
-Oh, I'm so... -I'm very pleased with that. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
'It's an effect seen across all the diabetic walkers.' | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
Her HbA1c has gone from 56.. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
..to 48, | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
and 48 is kind of the sort of minimum that gets you | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
to be called a diabetic, | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
so actually she's starting to come toward, | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
you know, stopping being diabetic. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
And that's in eight weeks. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:36 | |
Which is really significant. | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
It's better than some of the new drugs say they can do | 0:53:38 | 0:53:41 | |
in a few months, isn't it? | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
Not only that, the walkers' blood pressures dropped, they lost weight, | 0:53:43 | 0:53:47 | |
and even their scores in mood tests soared. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
37 to 51. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
That's massive. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:57 | |
I mean, that is massive. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:58 | |
If the group keep this up, there's a chance they'll be able to cut out | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
the drugs they're taking altogether. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:06 | |
Now they feel the benefits, they're motivated to carry on. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:10 | |
And even though their cholesterol levels remain high, | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
none want to start taking their statins again, | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
preferring to try and lower their levels naturally. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
But Mike has the highest risk of having a heart attack, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
and taking a statin again is the quickest way to reduce it. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
So, this is quite an interesting chat that we've got to have. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
You are at a level of risk where I start to go, | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
"Maybe I would take a statin." | 0:54:32 | 0:54:34 | |
You have reduced your risk by losing weight. You have reduced your risk | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
with blood pressure. But your absolute risk is still high. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
Well, what comes to my mind is... | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
Let me do a three-month trial, | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
then do another blood test and see what the results are. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
So, when you've got the opportunity to come off a pill, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
it's like coming out of prison, you know, you've been released, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:57 | |
you're feeling different in your mind, a bit younger. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
'I decide to take what I've found to the doctors. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
'I hope they'll be as impressed as I am by the blood test results.' | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
-So, you guys don't know the results? -We don't know, no. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
Mike, I guess, had the biggest result where his HbA1c | 0:55:12 | 0:55:15 | |
went from 75 to just over 50. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:19 | |
That level of reduction, that's quite impressive. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:22 | |
That is good. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:23 | |
We don't always get results like that with drugs as well. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
-Did they lose weight? -Every single person lost weight, yes. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
Walking as treatment for diabetes, as a way of reducing your risk of | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
strokes, heart attacks and death suddenly starts to feel like, | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
-"Oh, that's really good." -If, within the practice, we have, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:38 | |
you know, a diabetic walking group set up, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
to me that's absolutely fantastic. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:43 | |
-Really? -It's something the practice should be supporting. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
I'm so pleased that they feel it did pay off. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
I mean, imagine if GPs all over the country were able | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
to support patients like this. You know, we'd see reductions | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
in medications for blood pressure and cholesterol and diabetes. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
But I think there's something much more important than that, | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
that we really saw with Mike and Janet, particularly, | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
all these things it's hard to measure - their mood improved, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
they slept better at night, they felt like they were in charge | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
of their own health and their own bodies. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
You can't put that in a pill. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:19 | |
I'm at the end of my time here, | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
and I now realise the real problem isn't simply the drugs | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
but our health care system itself. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
We hand out pills when often we should be supporting people | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
through drug-free alternatives instead. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
If you say, "I want to go walking," your doctor says, | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
"Well, go walking," and that is it. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
Where's the support? We all know that we won't do it. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:47 | |
The "health service", | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
if it is to be a health service and not a drug prescription service, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
needs to be able to support people doing those difficult, long-term, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
but ultimately massively rewarding and health-giving things. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:02 | |
In just a few months, I've witnessed extraordinary transformations... | 0:57:03 | 0:57:07 | |
..as my patients have turned their backs on drugs. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
If we can empower doctors across the country to help millions | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
of patients do the same thing then, in the future, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
prescriptions could mean something much more powerful | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
than just pills. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:25 |