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The Second World War has gone down in history | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
as the greatest show of military power the world has ever known. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
HE ORATES IN GERMAN | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
Since it ended over 70 years ago, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
historians have pored over every detail of the battle... | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
..to understand what set it in motion, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:27 | |
what kept it going, | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
and the full truth of its legacy. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
The events may not change, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
but how we see them does. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
In this film, I'll be looking at the way | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
we've reinterpreted the war since it ended. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
And, in particular, I'll be investigating the role | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
documentary television has played | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
in unravelling the story of World War II. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
Historical documentary has played a key role. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
Whether breaking new discoveries | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
or re-examining famous events, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
television has helped create a more definitive picture of the war. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
Leading the way has been the history series Timewatch. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
Over the course of 30 years, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
BBC's Timewatch has examined just about every aspect of World War II, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
bringing the most important and controversial events | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
and analysis into our homes and minds. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
I'll be using Timewatch and 50 years of BBC archive | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
to show how our understanding | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
of the darkest hours and greatest victories | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
change over time. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
This is a complicated history, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
a story about morality and ethics | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
in the most devastating war the world has ever seen. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
On September 3rd, 1939, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
Britain declared war on Nazi Germany | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
and set in motion some of the most difficult | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
and turbulent years in our islands' history. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
But they also created the iconic moments | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
that have come to define our nation | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
and the spirit of our people. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
No other story looms larger than the Battle of Britain... | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
..when the seemingly undermanned RAF | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
tackles the mighty German Luftwaffe | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
and wins. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
The victory stops a Nazi invasion of our shores. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
The Battle of Britain has become part of our folklore, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
one of our greatest stories. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
It not only showed the heroism of the RAF, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
but the determination of the British people as a whole - | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
which is exactly what Timewatch discovered | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
when it re-examined the story in 1998. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
In the summer of 1940, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
German fighters flew into the skies above southern England, | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
meeting the RAF head-on. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
This was air-to-air combat. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
But it would not stay that way for long. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
Hitler had his eye on additional targets - | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
targets that included London. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
Frankly, I thought I would never come out alive. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
I don't know what other people felt, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
I felt that there's no way that I can survive | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
this continual battering, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
day after day, night after night. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
EXPLOSIONS | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
During the first raid on London, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
more than 300,000 kilos of explosives were dropped | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
on the East End and the docks. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
More than 2,000 people died or were seriously injured. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
The attack was the prelude to 70 consecutive night raids | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
on the British capital. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
The Nazis hoped that the raids would break Britain's will | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
to continue the war. | 0:03:58 | 0:03:59 | |
Joseph Goebbels wrote in his diary... | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
"The reports from London are horrific. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
"An inferno beyond belief. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
"Will England surrender? I believe so. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
"More mass attacks are imminent." | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
ROARING FIRES | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
In popular myth, the German air offensive | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
is seen as the precursor to an invasion, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
codenamed "Unternehmen Seelowe" - "Operation Sea Lion". | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
PLANES DRONE | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
It's an enormously strong instinct, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
the protection of your patch. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
And you did feel that they were intruders in our patch. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
But you were absolutely convinced | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
that your home islands were under threat from whatever, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
bombing or invasion or anything else, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
and it really was up to you to do something about it. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
By mid-September, | 0:04:58 | 0:04:59 | |
the RAF had forced Germany to scale back its air campaign. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
The Allies had won the Battle of Britain. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
On the face of it, Operation Sea Lion had been stopped. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
But the programme also revealed an unknown part of the story, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
and one which would change our view | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
of German intentions during the battle. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
SHELLFIRE | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
No-one disputes that the Battle of Britain was crucial | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
to the British war effort. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
But the Battle of Britain did not stop Hitler from invading, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
for the evidence suggests that his intentions were already elsewhere. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
Special research into the records of the German Army | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
conducted for Timewatch shows that | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
between July and the middle of September 1940 - | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
the earliest possible date for an invasion of England - | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
the Germans had removed or reallocated | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
more than half their divisions in the west to Germany | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
and the east of the Reich to become part of the preparations | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
for an attack on the Soviet Union in the following year. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
On 31 July, 1940, Hitler ordered the commanders | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
of the Army and the Navy to a conference at the Berghof. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
Hitler told the leaders of the Army that he was extremely sceptical | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
about the practicalities of an invasion, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:17 | |
given the strength of the British Navy. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
Hitler then outlined an astonishing alternative strategy - | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
Britain was to be beaten in the east. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
He told his generals... | 0:06:28 | 0:06:29 | |
"England mainly puts her hopes in Russia. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:33 | |
"If Russia is crushed, England's last hopes will have gone. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
"Then, Germany will be the master of Europe and the Balkans. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
"The sooner that Russia is crushed, the better." | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
While some believe Hitler's turn to the east was the deciding factor | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
that stopped Operation Sea Lion, others are not so convinced. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
We need to be clear - the Battle of Britain was not simply a draw. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
The Germans were unable to achieve air superiority | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
over southern England and any prospect of mounting | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
a quick, cheap invasion | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
in the autumn of 1940 was impossible. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Hitler was an opportunist and he was a gambler. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
As late as the middle of September 1940, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
there is evidence to suggest that Hitler, in the right circumstances, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
might have given the green light to Operation Sea Lion. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Of course, it might have been a disaster, the Royal Navy | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
might have come steaming down the North Sea and English Channel | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
and sunk the lot. But, in fact, that's not a guaranteed outcome. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
Victory in the Battle of Britain gave the British confidence | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
that they would win the war. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
Up to that point, everything Germany had done | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
had led to military success. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
This was a German military failure, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
it was a British military victory. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
And because it took place in the skies over England, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
it was a victory in which everybody could feel associated. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
Examining the details of war can redefine history. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
But it can also throw up complex questions. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
Hitler's decision to bomb London - | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
a target with a massive civilian population - caused an outcry. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
Surely, this broke the rules of war. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
But as the balance swung in the Allies' favour, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
the same accusation would be made against Britain. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
In 1944 and 1945, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
the Allies bombed Germany's industrial heartland, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
annihilating cities like Essen, Hamburg and Dresden. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
These attacks have remained contentious in Germany | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
where many see them as war crimes. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
But they're also controversial here in Britain. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
In 1992, a memorial was erected to Sir Arthur Harris, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
the head of the RAF's Bomber Command. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
He was the man responsible for bombing German cities, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
targeting the infrastructure that underpinned the German war machine. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
Shortly after its unveiling, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
that memorial was vandalised and, ever since, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
has become a symbol of controversy. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
Spring 1943. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
Bomber Command in action over the Ruhr, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
the industrial hub of Nazi Germany. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Timewatch took on the debate in 1993, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
inviting members of Bomber Command to defend their actions | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
to the men and women who bore the brunt of the raids. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
Erika, you were in Dresden, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
you experienced the consequences of that firestorm. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
What is your most powerful sense of strategic bombing? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
I detest it. For anybody. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
It doesn't matter which nationality or which country. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
I think it's the lowest form, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
how soldiers can kill women and children, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
especially in Dresden where the war was over - | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
it was more or less finished in a couple of weeks. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
To get medals for this sort of thing, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
I can see no reason whatsoever. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
I really DESPISE people like that, who still have, today, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
the idea about bombing of civilian people. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
And that's no honour to any country. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
Bob Nelson? | 0:10:26 | 0:10:27 | |
You were in Bomber Command. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
You were bombing during the war. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
You've heard that very powerful statement. Where are you? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
Well, I was a wireless operator in a Lancaster bomber | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
during a tour of operations, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
and Dresden was just another raid as far as we were concerned. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
It took ten hours, 20 minutes, a round-trip. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
We don't think at the time that we are going to bomb civilians, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
although, of course, we know that if they don't get out of the way, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
they're going to get into trouble. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
But on the other hand, we are taking our time to look around | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
and make sure that we don't get shot down. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
Is there any sense in which it could legitimately | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
be said there was something... effectively a war crime | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
committed in the process of the strategic bombing campaign? | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
Let me start, if I may, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
with the Secretary of the Bomber Command Association. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
Does the notion of war crime ring any bells at all for you? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
Not at all. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:27 | |
I feel that, on a bombing mission, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
the aircraft I flew in | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
was made by our civilians, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
and the bombs we carried were made by our civilians, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
the bombs that we dropped on the German civilians, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
made the 88-millimetre guns, the FW 190s. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
So the "civilian" suddenly has a different connotation. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
I don't see it as, "I was dropping bombs | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
-"on actual civilians." -What about the children? | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
They are the people who are making the arms to fight back. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
Paul, you were brought up as a child in Essen in Germany, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
just after the war. You're now a novelist and a journalist. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
What does the notion of "war crime" in this context mean to you? | 0:12:09 | 0:12:14 | |
-Does it have any validity? -It has validity. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
I mean, validity is imposed on memories that will never die. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
Words cannot quite convey the devastation of Essen - | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
the lifelessness, the smell of Essen, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
the widespread suffering which is what I, as a small child, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
was utterly bewildered by. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
And the word "war crime", after all, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:35 | |
is a word I wouldn't have used in my experience at the time, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
I was only a small child trying to make sense of it. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
It's a word I use now reluctantly | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
because it suggests | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
naming the guilty. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
But what was done was a crime - | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
that is not to say the people who did it were criminals, | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
those are two different issues. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
But the bombing of a city, the destruction of life on that scale, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
yes, that's a crime. What else can be a crime than that? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
Vice-Marshal, on this, the bombing of civilians, of homes, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:08 | |
women, children, schools, hospitals. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
Inevitable in the process of area bombing - | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
-is it far away from a crime? -Of course it is. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
Let me just take one point here. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
Was it a crime for the Luftwaffe | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
to carry out its fire blitz of London? | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
-Yes, it was. -Yes, of course. -ALL SPEAK TOGETHER | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
And you make monuments! | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
ALL SPEAK TOGETHER | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
They're also for war crimes in Nuremberg. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Let the Air Vice-Marshal continue. Hold on a second, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
I want to bring you back in. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
-Why do you so confidently say, "No, not a crime"? -Because we... | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
A crime, to be convicted of a crime, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
you must have had the INTENT to commit it. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
There was no intent on the part of anyone from the top leadership... | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
-May I speak? -From the top leadership down to the poor chaps | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
-who actually drove the aircraft. -Let me just take a vivid example. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
When the bombing of Wuppertal took place, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
liquid phosphorus was dropped. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
Children, women, ran into the River Wupper | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
like torches to be put out by the waters. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
How can that possibly not be seen as a crime? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
Obviously, the infliction of a weapon like that, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
it's deliberate policy, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:16 | |
and deliberate and appalling suffering took place. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
I cannot find any word that is adequate but "crime" for that. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
The debate over Bomber Command will forever rage. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
But even in the days immediately following the war, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
the campaign was contentious. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
From the Second World War itself, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
there were critical voices saying, "This is immoral, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
"we shouldn't be doing this, it's unchristian" and so on. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
And that was the view I think many people had | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
after the immediate end of the war. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
Evidenced by Dresden and so on. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
But over the course of the last 70 years, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
that's become quite a complicated argument. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
I think there are many people who say | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
that morality in war is relative. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
This was a total war. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
It's what the Germans call a "Weltanschauung", | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
a clash of philosophies of life. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
When such profoundly important things are perceived to be at stake, | 0:15:05 | 0:15:11 | |
virtually any action is perceived as legitimate. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
What makes a soldier in a battle not a murderer | 0:15:15 | 0:15:20 | |
is the concept of military necessity. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
That he is acting under orders. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
And the Nuremberg judgments qualified that by saying | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
there are some things for which | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
you cannot use that defence, you have to be in a position of saying, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
"I take responsibility for this." | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
Simply because they are such appalling acts. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
The most appalling of these acts is, without doubt, the Holocaust - | 0:15:42 | 0:15:48 | |
Hitler's attempt to exterminate the Jews. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
Hitler's programme of extermination is perhaps | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
the most heinous act in history, and is, without question, a war crime. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
It sets, moreover, a benchmark by which the morality of the Nazis - | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
indeed, all the combatants of the war - is judged. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Hitler's "Final Solution" would claim the lives | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
of an estimated six million Jews, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
displacing millions more. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
In 1995, Timewatch examined the legacy of the Holocaust... | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
..reflected in the families of those who survived. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
When they got to Auschwitz, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:42 | |
the men and the women were separated immediately | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
and my father was the one who was closest to his little sister. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
She was 14 at the time, and he was... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
..I suppose 19 or 20. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
And she was taken from him. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:01 | |
And somebody believes that they saw her being taken to the gas chambers. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:08 | |
Much of my information comes from my mother, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
and she had said, even before my father died, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
that when they were lining you up to take you to the work camp, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
she watched in the midst this chaos, and noticed | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
that they were separating the spouses. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
So she took off her wedding ring and told my father to do the same. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
And said, "We don't know each other." | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
It was towards the end of the afternoon, | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
and it was time for his...barrack | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
to be exterminated. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
When they arrived at the gas chamber, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
the end-of-the-day whistle blew, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
so there ensued an argument between | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
the guard who had marched them to the gas chamber | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
and the guard who was running the gas chamber. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
Ultimately, the gas-chamber guard won the argument. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
The barrack guard marched everybody back, | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
expecting them to be killed in the morning instead. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
But that morning, early that morning, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
someone arrived from a factory | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
or from the Gorlitz work camp to Auschwitz to requisition workers, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
which was a common procedure. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
And his barrack, being next in line, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
was sent off to Gorlitz, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
where he remained until that camp was liberated. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
It was the Russians who liberated them. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
Afterwards, my father was looking through the women's quarters | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
in the camp where they were | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
hoping to still be able to find his little sister. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
And he didn't find her, but he met my mother, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
and he liked her, so he came back the next day, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
and they started to date, and that was that. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
When we arrived in the United States, we had a railroad flat, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
and when I say a "railroad flat", | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
it was literally over the railroad. It was... | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
The subway ran about ten feet below my bedroom window. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
It was a very small place. For the first couple of years, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
neither parent spoke English and my father had no means of support. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
It wasn't long before I noticed | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
that my mother was particularly different. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
She had difficulty handling stress, certainly - | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
I, as a six-year-old, could handle stress better than she could. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
One of the major manifestations of her stress disorder | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
is that she hears voices, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
usually Nazi voices. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:28 | |
For instance, we might be in the car, driving along, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
and she might hear, or think she hears, Nazis in the next car, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
and ask me to figure it out | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
because she didn't want to distract herself from driving. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
SPEAKING IN GERMAN | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
My parents were very intent on creating as normal a life for us | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
as they possibly could. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
Since we were living in Germany - I was born in Germany - | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
they insisted on speaking to us in German, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
not teaching us Polish or Yiddish, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
because they were concerned that if we were to go into the supermarket, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
for example, and start speaking in Polish | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
that people would start looking at us. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
They wanted us to blend in and be as normal as other German kids. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
Part of that "being normal" meant not telling us | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
about what happened to them. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
As a result, I didn't really find out what happened to them - | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
"really" meaning "consciously" - | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
until I was in my late teens. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
Even later than that. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
And yet I can't think of a time when I didn't know. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
The way we perceive the Holocaust has quite clearly changed, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
almost generation by generation, I think, since the Second World War. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:52 | |
I think the first post-war generation, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
people didn't really want to talk about it or think about it. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
Europe wanted to forget the war, progress, move on. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
Even in the state of Israel itself, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
the first real attention to Holocaust survivors didn't start | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
to be paid until the early 1960s, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
with the Eichmann trial in particular. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
Prior to that, people were reluctant | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
to talk about what had been an unspeakably traumatic event. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
There was a break point, I think, very much in the late '60s, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
early '70s, associated, in some cases, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
with television programmes about the Holocaust, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
which really alerted people, for the first time, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
to the dimension of the crime. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:37 | |
And that also encouraged historians | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
to reach out and begin to explore the Holocaust | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
in a more sophisticated, analytical way. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
This analysis has often centred on the Nazi regime, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
and more specifically, its leader. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
Since the war, countless documentaries and films | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
have tried to work out what made Adolf Hitler tick. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
What triggered him to commit such appalling atrocities, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
and why the German people followed him, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
regardless of his deeply misguided agenda. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
In 2005, Timewatch examined the psychological motives of Hitler. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
The film based its investigation on a psychological profile | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
produced at the height of the war | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
by Harvard psychoanalyst Walter Langer. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Over 60 years after it was written, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
it was still clear that the state of Hitler's mind | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
held clues to his actions. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
This was the public face of Adolf Hitler. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
He'd risen to power in the 1920s | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
when the country was on the verge of economic and social collapse. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
HE ORATES IN GERMAN | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
CHEERING | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
He pledged to revitalise and rebuild Germany, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
and this was a message that the German people | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
were desperate to hear. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
CHANTING | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
It's really, very important to understand | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
Hitler the Messiah, Hitler the saviour. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
Indeed, he relished when people would say, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
"Heil, Hitler, the saviour of the German people." | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
And he identified, in fact, with Christ. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
If you take this notion of the empty self | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
which has built up | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
this compensatory grandiose messianic facade... | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
..what happens when that facade is shattered? | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
In the final months of the conflict, | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
Hitler made it known that total destruction | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
was the Allies' only option if he was to be defeated. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
In the last weeks of the war, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
Hitler issues his famous "scorched earth" directive, | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
where the party and the military had to destroy everything, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
the Allies mustn't get anything. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:09 | |
He doesn't mind now about the German people - | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
the German people will starve. I mean, they have let him down. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
In this sense, Langer is right. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Here is somebody who only really thinks in black and white, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
life and death. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
And Langer is spot on in this case. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
That this is a suicidal personality. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
He's not somebody who is simply going to give up, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
lay down his arms and say, "OK, let's have an armistice." | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
If his dream of total glory, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
of total power, were to fail... | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
..and that facade of grandiosity was to shatter, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:49 | |
underneath this, that empty self would emerge. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
And that was intolerable for Hitler, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
and he had to kill himself rather than be confronted by | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
this total shame and total humiliation. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
The big question and the very frightening question was, | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
how had this happened? | 0:25:10 | 0:25:12 | |
With the rise in the 1930s of Hitler | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
and, indeed, the rise of Mussolini and the cult of Stalin, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
we seem to have this strange idea | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
of a man appearing who certainly behaves as if he's mad, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
but has this incredible influence. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
It's really bound up with a strong sense of resentment | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
at what happened at the end of the First World War, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
fears about national identity and survival, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
and, by the time of the economic Great Depression, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
a strong sense that Germany is going to go under. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
And Hitler certainly seemed, then, | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
to be a kind of Messiah figure. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
And that fear of the future of Germany | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
is what drove people to support Hitler. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
Hitler's single-minded ambition would lead him to power... | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
..and to a bitter war with his enemies. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
But the battlefield can reveal a different story. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
When enemies meet, the outcome is sometimes surprising. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
The Battle of the Atlantic was the longest military campaign | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
of the Second World War. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
It's a story of hunter and hunted, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
German U-boats stalking Allied convoys | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
in the cold and treacherous waters of the Atlantic Ocean. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
And for both sides, | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
the consequences of defeat were nearly always fatal. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
In 1973, the BBC revealed the story of when Otto Kretschmer, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
one of the most successful U-boat commanders of all time, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
met the renowned Royal Navy commander Donald Macintyre | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
face to face in the middle of the Atlantic. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
I had, then, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:49 | |
some time to collect all my men on the conning tower | 0:26:49 | 0:26:55 | |
and tell them that this was the end of our war career | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
and that there was some possibility of us to get into captivity. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
My second lieutenant took the Morse lamp | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
and I spelt out the signal in English to him. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
It was... | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
I am thinking, "Please pick up my men." | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
And the last to come over the side | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
was obviously the captain in his brass-bound hat. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
He was greeted by one of my lieutenants, Peter Sturdy, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
whose eye was immediately caught | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
by his binoculars hanging around his neck. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
In fact, he told me that the U-boat captain | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
tried to get them off and throw them away, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
because he didn't want them to get into the possession of the enemy. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
However, Peter Sturdy grabbed these | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
and brought them up to me on the bridge | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
where I promptly grabbed them from him | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
and made them my spoils of war. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
And up there, they took | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
the life jacket from me | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
and the pistol... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
I had a pistol pointed at myself! | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
And then, the binoculars | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
which I had no time to throw overboard, which I would've liked. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:22 | |
And then, I was taken down to the captain's cabin, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
where for the first time, I saw his horseshoe sign on everything. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:31 | |
The U-boat captain noticed that our crest, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
the ship's crest, was a horseshoe. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
He said, "That was the crest of my U-boat, also, isn't that strange?" | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
But, of course, ours was the other way up. His points downwards. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
"Ah," said my chief, "No wonder you've been captured. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:48 | |
"That's the way the luck runs out, we always say." | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
And there, I got warm trousers and some rum to drink | 0:28:50 | 0:28:55 | |
and everything which they could do for me, really. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
And, immediately afterwards, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
I had some dry clothes on and I went to sleep | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
in Donald Macintyre's wonderful armchair he had in his cabin. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:12 | |
When I woke up again, I saw him sitting on his desk | 0:29:13 | 0:29:18 | |
and looking at me | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
with his legs dangling in rubber boots, I remember. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:25 | |
And I congratulated him on his success, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
but also telling him that it was good luck for him | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
because I had no torpedoes left. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
Otherwise, things would have been a bit different. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
And he said some polite things, too, to me, and so, | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
immediately, it seemed to be that we could be good friends. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
As soon as the U-boat crews were safely onboard, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
the two destroyers headed back | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
to rejoin the convoy, which we did about dawn. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
I was allowed to sleep in the captain's bunk, | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
which was much better, of course. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
But until we went to sleep, there was still some time, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
and I don't know who it was | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
got the idea to play at cards. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
And they looked for the fourth man, and that was myself. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
So I played cards, I played bridge with the captains of the sunk ships | 0:30:12 | 0:30:18 | |
and officers of the destroyers. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
While this 1973 film shows how enemies can become friends, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
a film just four years later | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
would reveal the greatest secret of the battle - | 0:30:32 | 0:30:35 | |
and possibly the entire war. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
What was the most secret place in Britain during the Second World War? | 0:30:41 | 0:30:46 | |
Perhaps the underground Cabinet room in Whitehall? | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
Or the Naval chiefs-of-staff map room? | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
Or what about the Royal Aircraft Establishment, Farnborough? | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
No, none of those. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
It was this unassuming Brit country house in Buckinghamshire. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
In 1977, this film would be one of the first | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
to tell the story of how Britain intercepted and broke | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
Germany's secret codes at Bletchley Park. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
These huts sheltered what came to be known as the Ultra Secret, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
or Ultra for short. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
As soon as the Enigma messages were picked up, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:26 | |
they were sent by motorbike dispatch rider to Bletchley Park, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
the nerve centre of Ultra. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
The end result of all that activity - | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
these decoded messages, by the thousand, every day. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
The thoughts and deeds of the operational command system | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
of the entire German Armed Forces. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
Now, these messages were passed to the intelligence huts. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
And Hut 3 included among its personnel | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
Peter Calvocoressi, head of the Air Force section. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
Now, what we got was hundreds of pieces of paper like this | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
and each one of these is a separate message. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
It's got letters in groups of five and it's in German. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:11 | |
You come into a run of letters which are really all mostly there. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
And, in fact, here you have a complete German word, "meldet". | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
And that'll be "meldet sich", "is to report". | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
That's an S - "meldet sich". | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
S-O-F-O-R... | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
L is obviously a mistake for S-O-F-O-R-T. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
"Sofort", "immediately" - | 0:32:29 | 0:32:30 | |
everything always happens immediately in messages like this. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
And this is the important bit at the end. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
So-and-so or Lieutenant So-and-so is to report where? | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
F-O-blank-blank-I-A. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
It's not really terribly difficult. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
It's Foggia. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:46 | |
He is to go to Foggia. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
Our story has been confined to events that happened | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
more than 30 years ago. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:53 | |
And although cipher machines have gone a long way since then, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
much of this subject is still secret. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
And so the contribution made by Ultra can only be really be judged | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
by people who themselves had to use the information at the time. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
The release at the end of the 1970s of the British intelligence files, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
the so-called Ultra secret, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
was tremendously important | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
and it was done deliberately. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
Before then, historians always half-knew, half-assumed | 0:33:23 | 0:33:29 | |
that both sides were breaking each other's codes. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
This is not exactly news, but it was never known how it was done. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
But what was equally surprising was that the secret lasted so long. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
For three decades, nothing was written or said about this work. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:44 | |
And yet thousands of people participated in the work | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
done at Bletchley Park or knew about it for some other reason. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
Today, the men and women who worked at Bletchley Park | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
are revered for their wartime contribution. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
There are countless heroes in times of conflict, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
but out of the millions that fought in the Second World War, | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
only a select few are remembered for their courage. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
Many stories have slipped from memory, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
and often for political reasons. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
The Indian Army fought gallantly | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
as part of the British Empire in the Second World War, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
making major contributions in Burma, North Africa and Italy. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:29 | |
But as Timewatch discovered, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:32 | |
history would forget their bravery, both in Britain and India. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:38 | |
The Victoria Cross is the highest award for valour | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
in the British Army. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:43 | |
No less than 28 were won by the Indian Army | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
during the Second World War. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
Without the Indian Army, the Japanese would've overrun India, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
they would have linked up with the Germans in Iran, | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
and the whole world would have come under... | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
the domination of the Axis alliance. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
You can't really believe | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
that we could have won the war without the Indian Army. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
2.5 million troops from India, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Pakistan, and the rest of the Subcontinent, | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
formed the biggest volunteer army in the history of the world. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
It is an army that some Britons choose to ignore. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
But the stained glass at Sandhurst tells a different story. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
During World War II, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
Indian troops fought across three continents under the Union Jack. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:44 | |
They were at Dunkirk, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
they fought at Monte Cassino. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
They fought to save British democracy, | 0:35:50 | 0:35:52 | |
even though, under British rule, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:54 | |
they were denied it themselves. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
It wasn't just the British who forgot them. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
The fact that so many Indians | 0:36:32 | 0:36:33 | |
volunteered to fight for the British Empire | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
became an embarrassment after Independence. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:40 | |
The whole subject is still sensitive. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:42 | |
The Indian Government refused Timewatch permission | 0:36:42 | 0:36:45 | |
to film interviews in their country. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
In India, it is the INA of Chandra Bose whose veterans are feted | 0:36:49 | 0:36:54 | |
as independence heroes and receive a freedom fighter's pension. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
Those who fought for the British do not. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
We feel that we are forgotten... | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
what we did | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
during the World War II. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
The British have forgotten us, the Indian Army also forgotten us. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
While this film highlights the story of Indian volunteers, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:39 | |
there are many more soldiers that have been overlooked. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
It's a very curious fact, I think, from 1945 onwards, | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
the British public always thought of themselves | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
as alone in the war. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
It's the one word you always hear about 1940, '41. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
Britain "alone". | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
Britain is not alone. Wasn't alone. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
It was supported by a huge empire, the world's largest empire. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
The Commonwealth nations mobilised | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
something like five million men and women. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
The Indian Army of the Second World War is the largest | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
all-volunteer army there's ever been in human history - | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
2.5 million service personnel. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
Other countries including, for example, the East African | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
and the West African colonies - South Africa, too - | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
also made an immense contribution | 0:39:26 | 0:39:27 | |
to the Commonwealth effort in the Second World War. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
And about 170,000 of these people died, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
and that's a bitter sacrifice that should not be forgotten. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
There's an aphorism of a famous 19th-century historian | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
that history is, on each occasion, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
what one generation finds interesting about another. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
And in 21st-century multicultural Britain, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
there is going to be greater interest in soldiers | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
from the Indian Subcontinent in the Second World War, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
or soldiers from the West Indies and Caribbean, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
or soldiers from the Irish Republic, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
or the contribution of women in Britain to the Second World War. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:10 | |
To be lauded by history, your story must become widely known. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
But for some, keeping quiet was an essential part of their job. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
An estimated 13,000 people | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
worked in Britain's Special Operations Executive during the war, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:30 | |
in jobs that demanded complete secrecy. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
Spies are often the unsung heroes of history. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
Whether carrying out sabotage missions | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
or relaying secret information, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
their actions have often made the difference | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
between failure and victory. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
As more information about the role of spies | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
during the Second World War has been released to the public, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
their stories have captured the world's imagination. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
Timewatch tracked down some of the intelligence operatives | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
that had worked in France, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
taking them back to their old haunts | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
to lift the lid on their secret stories. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
Tony Brooks was stationed in Lyon. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
When you came in, you shook hands with half the customers. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
Very much a solid working-class place. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
And any talking shop would be very sort of covert. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
I might say, | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
"We're hoping about five friends," - | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
we used to call them "mes amis" - | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
"will turn up at the end of next week." | 0:41:35 | 0:41:37 | |
Which meant we were going to have five parachute drops next week | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
or something like that, | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
which would enter into the ordinary conversation. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
The proprietor used the cash register to raise the alarm. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
LOUD CLANKING AND RINGING | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
He didn't use it as a till. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
It meant that somebody had just come in the front door | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
he didn't like the look of. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:58 | |
Like a lot of these old houses in Lyon, there were lots of exits, | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
and you'd come out about three doors further down the street. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
Unbeknownst to Tony, also in Lyon was his colleague in training, | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
the radio operator Brian Stonehouse. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
He had found a chateau outside Lyon from which to transmit. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
Over half a century later, he returns. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
The owner's wife, Elsa Jourdan, had been a fashion model. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
We had met - according to this cover story - | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
in Paris before the war in the fashion world. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
And I was drawing for Vogue magazine in Paris. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
Of course, none of it is true. But this was just a cover story. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
His courier Christian brought him more and more messages | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
to encode and transmit. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
The workload was getting dangerously heavy. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
In Lyon, what happened was that so many radio operators | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
had been arrested before me, | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
and all their stuff came to me, you see, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
to send to London through me, and I did. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
And that's when I was on the air for hours. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
I radioed London and told them that being on the air this long, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
I was committing suicide. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
Inevitably, the radio-detection vans pinned him down. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
MORSE CODE BEEPS | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
This is the room where | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
I was transmitting. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
And I think a piece of the antenna was up there. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
I'd tried to pull it down and didn't take all of it. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:47 | |
Then, I buried... I hid the set in the bottom of the lift shaft. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:52 | |
But I forgot a piece of antenna with the insulator at the end, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:56 | |
and that was found, so... | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
I couldn't deny any more that I'd had a set here, a transmitter. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
That's how it happened. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:04 | |
News of Brian's arrest | 0:44:08 | 0:44:09 | |
came into Special Operations Executive in London | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
and a grim addition was made to his file. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
I thought I'd be shot as a spy and... | 0:44:18 | 0:44:23 | |
I wanted my family to be able to trace me after the war, | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
that was the reason, main reason, for declaring myself British. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
Brian's parents didn't learn he was missing | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
until over a year after his arrest. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
By then, he was on his way | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
to the first of five Nazi concentration camps. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
On the day Dachau was liberated, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
he was photographed among the mass of prisoners, | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
along with another agent, Bob Sheppard. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
A week later, both were back in England. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
Bob and I were in full uniform, | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
and somewhere near the Albert Hall - I don't know why - | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
and a funeral went past. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
And we started laughing because we thought, you know, | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
"All that fuss for one corpse!" | 0:45:07 | 0:45:10 | |
And... | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
I think one used to laugh, | 0:45:12 | 0:45:14 | |
because that was one's only defence. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
If you started crying, you know, it's, um... | 0:45:17 | 0:45:21 | |
Sometimes I feel now, if I start crying, I won't stop. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
Spies were crucial to Allied victory. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
Their work underpinned every major operation, | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
including our most famous, D-Day. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:41 | |
Certain stories capture the public imagination, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
they are narratives we become obsessed with. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:49 | |
There have been, for example, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
literally hundreds of films made by the BBC about D-Day. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
And doubtless there'll be hundreds more. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
The D-Day landings were an unprecedented success. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
The largest sea-to-land invasion ever mounted. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
But not everything went to plan. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:10 | |
The American landings on Omaha Beach were a disaster. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
And, as Timewatch discovered in 2008, | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
historians are still trying to figure out what went wrong. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
Their examination started with an assault on a gun battery | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
before the main landing on Omaha had even begun. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:30 | |
The Allied High Command believed that the mission here | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
at the Pointe Du Hoc was absolutely critical to the success of D-Day. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
If the guns at the Pointe Du Hoc were still functioning, | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
with their range - which was 23,000 metres from this position - | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
there was a real danger that they might be able to shoot at, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
damage, sink Allied shipping out in the Bay of the Seine. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
So from the American point of view, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:52 | |
Army success at Omaha Beach | 0:46:52 | 0:46:53 | |
was integrally tied to the assault | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
at the Pointe Du Hoc. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:57 | |
MACHINE-GUN FIRE | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
We were fired on while coming in. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
This was not a surprise. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:08 | |
The enemy had had about 30 minutes | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
to get up out of his underground bunkers. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
He was up there throwing hand grenades | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
down by the bushel or basketful, and firing right down on us. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
And there was rapid-fire situations, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
on either flank, they were firing into us. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
So we have that to come into. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:26 | |
Ropes were fired up, there were grapple hooks. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
Some of them pulled out, | 0:47:31 | 0:47:32 | |
the enemy - damn it - cut some of the ropes! | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
You see, that was not kosher, you know? | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
And there were two guys on the rope right in front of me, going up. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
So I started in behind them, about 50 feet below them, | 0:47:43 | 0:47:47 | |
and the enemy was leaning over up there, throwing down grenades, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:52 | |
and I yelled up to these fellas, I said, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
"Boys, put your faces in, and your butts out, | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
"they're throwing grenades!" | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
The main force had to go in on Omaha Beach, | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
and they were supposed to fight their way up to us by noon. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:07 | |
And they got up there at noon on the third day. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:12 | |
As they land, they're in a natural killing ground. | 0:48:20 | 0:48:23 | |
They're on beaches, they're completely exposed to enemy fire. | 0:48:23 | 0:48:26 | |
There is no cover, there's no trees, there's no trenches, | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
there's no nothing. The troops are out there in the open. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
GUNFIRE | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
Imagine the shock. You're told that you are going to see | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
the greatest firepower show on earth, | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
and then you hit the beach there | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
and everybody's alive. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
All the enemy forces are alert, and... | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
Yeah, it's going to be a bloody day. | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
It's going to be a bloody day... It WAS a bloody day. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:57 | |
The Americans had been given pre-landing support by air and sea. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
But it hadn't been successful, | 0:49:03 | 0:49:06 | |
leaving the men defenceless. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:08 | |
As Timewatch revealed, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
the scale of the slaughter took years to comprehend. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
The casualty count on Omaha Beach, in retrospect, | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
was much, much higher than historians had previously thought. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
Realistically, only in the last couple of years | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
have historians been able to figure out | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
that the count was probably twice as high as first thought. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:37 | |
In the range of 4,500 to 5,000 men | 0:49:37 | 0:49:40 | |
became casualties on Omaha in an 18-hour period. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
It was not in any way foreseen | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
that the casualties would come with the intensity that they did | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
in the first couple of hours of the invasion. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:55 | |
From 6.30 in the morning to 9.30 in the morning on D-Day, | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
American soldiers were being felled on the beach like... | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
..stalks of wheat by a sickle. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:06 | |
Despite the carnage, | 0:50:08 | 0:50:10 | |
the success of D-Day has raised the event to a near mythic status. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:15 | |
But it's partly due to how the story's been told | 0:50:16 | 0:50:20 | |
and how it's changed. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:21 | |
There was a time, especially in the immediate aftermath of the war, | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
when D-Day was seen primarily as a function of the decisions | 0:50:26 | 0:50:30 | |
of great commanders - Montgomery, Eisenhower, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
Rommel and people like this. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:34 | |
And I think what's happened in the last few decades, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:37 | |
is a sense of understanding | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
the broader experience of D-Day and the Normandy campaign, | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
as seen through the eyes | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
of thousands of ordinary servicemen and women | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
who either participated in or supported that great endeavour. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:51 | |
I've had, on a number of occasions - | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
and it is very humbling - | 0:50:54 | 0:50:55 | |
old veterans come up to me and say, | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
"I was 18 years old, can you tell me where I was and what I was doing?" | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
And taking them there, very often, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
it will trigger a memory, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
and they will then start talking about the experience they've had. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
And for historians, this is invaluable. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
It humanises the experience. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
D-Day will forever be etched into our minds. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
It's a pivotal moment in the Second World War. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
But some stories are told for precisely the opposite reason - | 0:51:25 | 0:51:29 | |
because they did not become important. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
In the 1980s, Timewatch investigated recently declassified documents | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
that showed how close we came to using chemical weapons | 0:51:36 | 0:51:39 | |
during the Second World War. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
Nerve, mustard and chlorine gas were all readily available | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
to both the Allies and the Axis powers. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
But they were never used - turning the story | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
into one of the big "what if" questions of the conflict. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
In Timewatch this month, the terrible weapon | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
of the Second World War that was never used - gas. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
You can pick up gas masks today in junk shops | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
and second-hand stores from one end of the country to the other. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
They're probably the most prevalent | 0:52:08 | 0:52:09 | |
of the surviving flotsam of the last war - | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
which isn't surprising, as the year before war broke out, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
millions were distributed. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:16 | |
One for every man, woman, child and baby. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
Gas attacks were expected daily. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
The Ministry of Home Security posters on every street corner | 0:52:22 | 0:52:25 | |
gave instructions on what exactly to do | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
when the gas rattle sounded and an attack began. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
Hold your breath. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
Put on mask wherever you are. | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
Close window. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
If out of doors, | 0:52:37 | 0:52:38 | |
take off hat, put on your mask. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
Turn up collar. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:44 | |
Put on gloves or keep hands in pockets. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:47 | |
Take cover in nearest building. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
In the 1930s, poison gas occupied a place | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
rather like the atom bomb occupies nowadays. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
This was science at its most advanced | 0:52:56 | 0:53:01 | |
waiting to be applied to the protection of the National Security, | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
the destruction of the human race - whichever way you look at it. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:08 | |
This factory has never been filmed before. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:13 | |
It lies in the Welsh village of Rhydymwyn, | 0:53:13 | 0:53:16 | |
and, during the last war, it was codenamed "Valley". | 0:53:16 | 0:53:20 | |
Valley was one of Britain's three wartime mustard gas factories. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
The others were at St Helens and Runcorn. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:27 | |
Valley was run by ICI and at its peak | 0:53:27 | 0:53:30 | |
was producing over 100 tonnes of mustard gas a week. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
The gas was stored in an underground arsenal | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
tunnelled into a nearby hill, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:39 | |
capable of holding 5,000 tonnes of chemicals. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:43 | |
Valley began production in 1941. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
By the spring of 1942, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
Britain was employing 6,000 munitions workers and scientists | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
who had produced over 20,000 tonnes of chemical weapons. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:56 | |
It was here in the British War Cabinet offices | 0:53:56 | 0:53:59 | |
beneath Whitehall in the summer of 1940 | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
that the first serious consideration was given | 0:54:01 | 0:54:05 | |
to the question of using chemical warfare. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:07 | |
Here, for more than two weeks that summer, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
a fierce debate raged among Britain's military commanders | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
about the wisdom of using gas to defeat a German invasion. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
The argument between gas's advocates and opponents was finally settled | 0:54:17 | 0:54:23 | |
by the Prime Minister on 30th June, 1940. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:26 | |
One of the striking features of the papers which have been released | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
is the light they shed on the extraordinary personal interest | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
taken in chemical warfare by the Prime Minister, Winston Churchill. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:37 | |
These, for instance, are the monthly gas production figures | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
of Britain's munitions factories. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
And these had to be submitted regularly to the Prime Minister | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
for his personal comment. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:47 | |
"We could drench the cities of the Ruhr, | 0:54:47 | 0:54:50 | |
"and many other cities in Germany, | 0:54:50 | 0:54:52 | |
"in such a way that most of the population | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
"will be requiring constant medical attention. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
"It may be several weeks, or even months, | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
"before I shall ask you to drench Germany with poison gas." | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
"And if we do it, let us do it 100%." | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
Germany, perhaps more than any other power, | 0:55:08 | 0:55:10 | |
was impressed by the threat of retaliation, | 0:55:10 | 0:55:13 | |
because it had persuaded itself that it was weak in this area itself. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:17 | |
One has to remember that the Treaty of Versailles | 0:55:17 | 0:55:20 | |
had placed strict limits on German chemical warfare preparedness, | 0:55:20 | 0:55:27 | |
so that it could see itself ten, 15 years behind its enemies. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:32 | |
So there's an irony here. You're saying | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
that the one belligerent power upon which deterrence had an effect | 0:55:34 | 0:55:37 | |
was actually Nazi Germany? | 0:55:37 | 0:55:38 | |
Because it believed itself to be so inferior, it, as it were, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
persuaded itself into a situation of sensitivity towards this threat. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:47 | |
The Germans' overestimation of Allied superiority | 0:55:47 | 0:55:50 | |
was probably the decisive factor in their decision not to use gas. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:55 | |
In the 1980s, documents revealed the hidden strategy | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
as Churchill prepared for chemical war. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:05 | |
70 years after the war ended, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:11 | |
it's tempting to think that we now know what happened. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
Given the vast documentary record of the Second World War, | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
and the amount of effort that's been expended | 0:56:20 | 0:56:22 | |
on trying to understand it and turn it into books | 0:56:22 | 0:56:24 | |
and television documentaries, | 0:56:24 | 0:56:26 | |
it seems difficult to imagine | 0:56:26 | 0:56:27 | |
that we don't know all that there is to know about the Second World War. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
But in fact, I think this is very far from being the case. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
People often say to me, when I say I'm going to write | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
something else on the Second World War, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
"Not the Second World War again! What else can there be to say?" | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
And as a historian, of course, | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
I always say, "There will always be new things to say." | 0:56:43 | 0:56:46 | |
You always put things into a different relation, | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
you will always find different perspectives. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:50 | |
You'll also find new material. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
It's being uncovered all the time. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
The final history of the war can never be written | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
and never WILL be written. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
It's a constant process of re-examination | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
as the present moves forward. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:05 | |
The past is dead and doesn't exist. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:07 | |
What we have is evidence that exists in the present | 0:57:07 | 0:57:10 | |
and we call that evidence "history". | 0:57:10 | 0:57:13 | |
Less than a century ago, a global war gripped our nation. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
For over five years, both at home and abroad, | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
Britain gave her all in the fight against Nazi Germany. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
Since it ended, World War II has been examined and re-examined. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:45 | |
Stories have been discovered and debates have raged. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:50 | |
And still, the narrative evolves | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
as new theories and fresh research | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
reshape the events we thought we knew. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:59 | |
And it's all been captured on our screens, | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
making us part of the debate, | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
making us part of history. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
In the years ahead, there will be many more disagreements | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
as we grapple with our past, | 0:58:10 | 0:58:11 | |
but there will also be incredible discoveries of stories still untold, | 0:58:11 | 0:58:15 | |
new facts coming to light, | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 | |
and long-forgotten heroes revealed to us for the first time. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:21 | |
The Second World War may have ended over 70 years ago, | 0:58:21 | 0:58:25 | |
but its history is still alive and constantly changing. | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 |