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This vast solar power plant being built in the remote Arizona desert | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
is part of the biggest economic rescue effort in history. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
While the cost of action will be great, | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
I can assure you that the cost of inaction will be far greater. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
With the economy still struggling, | 0:00:23 | 0:00:25 | |
the American government is shelling out three-quarters of a trillion dollars | 0:00:25 | 0:00:29 | |
to try to haul the country out of trouble. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
And in Britain, billions are being spent to accelerate growth, | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
even by a government determined to cut borrowing. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
Is this really the right road to take? | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
After the crash in 2008, the world seemed to be running out of cash. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
But rather than cut back, governments spent huge amounts of money they didn¹t have. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
Why on earth would they do that? | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
It¹s all goes back to the extraordinary ideas of this man, | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
the British economist John Maynard Keynes. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
Quite simply, he changed the world. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
I think it is true that he¹s one of the great figures of the 20th century | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
and in many ways of the 21st century. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Keynes thought capitalism was brilliant. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
But left to its own devices, it could also go seriously wrong. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
It was up to governments to step in to get the economy back on track. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
He was the archetypal man in Whitehall, Westminster or Cambridge who thought he knew best. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:30 | |
Keynes has never been more relevant or controversial than he is today. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
Because for the first time since the 1930s, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
the problems he was grappling with then - | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
bank failures, international crises, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
the possibility of a long economic slump - we¹re facing, too. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
In this series, I¹ll tell you about the lives and thoughts of three extraordinary men | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
with radically different views. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Karl Marx, Friedrich Hayek and, tonight, Keynes. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
They all saw that taming the growing power of money | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
was the crucial challenge for the modern world. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
All three were intellectual giants | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
whose ideas have been a hidden force shaping world events, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
changing the lives of every one of us. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
But I think they have something special to tell us right now, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
because they, more than anyone, taught us the awesome power of money, | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
the good that markets and capitalism could do and the enormous trouble they could cause. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:27 | |
I think they¹d know exactly what we¹ve been going through. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
I want to know, can they help us find a way out? | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
The quiet hills of north-west England. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
For me, a chance to experience economics in action. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
ENGINE REVS | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
I¹m getting to try out rally cars competing in the Tour of Cumbria. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:19 | |
The sponsors, Pirelli, are getting a slice of the government¹s £2.4 billion fund | 0:03:23 | 0:03:28 | |
to help regional growth and employment. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
They want to show me what the company¹s really all about. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
Pirelli is one of the world¹s biggest tyre makers. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
It¹s been manufacturing in Britain for almost a century. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
It wants to develop some of its top ranges and beef up research and development. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
But the sums hadn¹t been adding up. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
This factory is one of Carlisle¹s biggest employers. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
There are about 750 workers here, producing 10,000 tyres a day. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
Not so long ago, people worried the company would shift production overseas to cut costs. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
A £2 million government grant has persuaded Pirelli to invest in Britain instead. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:34 | |
When we have a major investment, the confidence in people | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
to spend their wages is increased. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
And the local economy benefits. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
And it's not only Pirelli employees. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
We have hundreds of suppliers and contractors who depend on this factory | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
and they benefit also when Pirelli increases its spend. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
And also they recycle that money into the local economy. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
It might seem surprising - | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
a handout to a private company, when the government's so worried about the mounting national debt, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
now more than a trillion pounds. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
But Keynes was quite clear. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
There are times when we need to step in to make capitalism work for us, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
even when that means spending money we don¹t have. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
What Keynes said was that it was possible for government | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
to come in and make markets work better. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:30 | |
One way that it¹s often put is that Keynes saved capitalism from the capitalists. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:37 | |
Though for Keynes¹ critics, it¹s mistakes by governments that really cause the trouble. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
When we find instances of economies being seriously knocked out of equilibrium, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
it¹s generally been as a result of government policy mistakes. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
But Keynes didn¹t really make a convincing case | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
that even when an economy was knocked out of equilibrium, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
that government action could do better than allowing the economy to essentially mend itself. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:06 | |
So Keynes was either an economic saviour, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
or the man who led us all astray. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
But there¹s no argument that he changed our world | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
and the way we think about it. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
He was at the centre of the debate 80 years ago and he¹s back there again today. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
A great weight is lifted from us... | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
This is the only known film of Keynes speaking. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
There's no danger of the exchange falling too far. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
There's no danger of a serious rise in the cost of living. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:37 | |
It's a broadcast about economics, how to share out the world's resources. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
Meanwhile, British trade... | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
But for Keynes, this was no dry science. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
It was about changing the world for the better. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
I think if we're looking at Britons who made a real difference in the 20th century, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:55 | |
the most obvious name would be Winston Churchill. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
John Maynard Keynes is really not far behind. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
Keynes spent years in this house in London, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
developing ideas that helped shape some of the most important events of the past century, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
helping to save capitalism from the Great Depression, funding the war against the Nazis, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:18 | |
and building a new post-war economic order | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
that helped pave the way for decades of growth and rising prosperity. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
What¹s really extraordinary about Keynes from a modern perspective was his access. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
Despite being so unconventional in his life and especially in his views, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
he had the ear of anyone who mattered. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
Presidents and Prime Ministers all listened to what he had to say. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
Though it was only after his death that everyone started taking his advice. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
I applied to university in 1965, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
and the whole intellectual climate, not just in economics but politics, | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
was driven by the idea that Keynes had solved the economic problem. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
By the late 1960s, Keynes' ideas were built into the fabric of pretty much every western economy. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:11 | |
But he didn¹t seem to have an answer to the high inflation of the 1970s. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
After that, Keynesian fine-tuning was out | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
and free-market ideas gradually took over. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
But when the world got into serious bother in 2008, Keynes was back. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
It's ideas that mobilise the world, on right and left, good and bad. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:35 | |
And Keynes was the author of, in MY judgment, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
the best suite of ideas about how to think about capitalism that there's been. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
And if you think that counts, then he counts. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
So what are these great ideas that have dominated our economic landscape for so long | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
and where exactly did they come from? | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
Keynes was born at the height of the British Empire, in 1883, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
to middle-class parents who sent him to Eton and Cambridge. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
So far, so conventional. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
But at university he fell in with a very unconventional crowd, the Bloomsbury Set. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:24 | |
As a young man, he spent a lot of time here at their country retreat, | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
Charleston in Sussex. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
It was a kind of commune for artists and writers and the one economist. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
They did see themselves as very different. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
They were tinged by that rather indefinable concept, bohemian. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
They were very ahead of their time. They were pioneers about sexual behaviour. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
They were pioneers on a political front. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
They were pioneers in many aesthetic fields, | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
in writing and in the arts. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
The Bloomsbury group allowed him to step outside of the box | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
and to think the unthinkable. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
And that breadth of intellect that he had | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
allowed him to leap off cliffs with a confidence that there was no bottom. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
Keynes immersed himself in the cultural world all his life, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
collecting paintings, fine books, even founding the Arts Theatre here in Cambridge. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:45 | |
Perhaps it¹s no coincidence that a man with such wide-ranging interests | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
should have the vision to develop a radically new approach to economics, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
Keynesianism, shorthand today for government efforts to control the economy. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
Keynes was born, nearly 130 years ago, into a confident age. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
Science had been marching forward in medicine, in engineering, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
every year extending what was humanly possible. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
But there was one domain where science had barely begun - | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
economics, the world of money and markets. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
If we could tame capitalism, we could really shape our destiny. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
Keynes fundamentally believed that. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
But he also understood, maybe better than some of his followers, | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
just how difficult that was going to be. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
Greek fury at the austerity they feel has been imposed on them by their European neighbours. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
For Keynes, this might feel a bit familiar. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
He saw at first-hand the disaster that can come from stronger countries | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
dictating economic terms to the weak. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
That helped him form his first big idea. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
In an interconnected world, when you beggar your neighbour you might well beggar yourself. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:09 | |
It was an idea forged by the horrors of World War I. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
True to his Bloomsbury values, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
Keynes didn¹t want to fight in the war. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:24 | |
But he was willing to use his economic brilliance to help finance it. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
Keynes' job at the Treasury was to help channel loans from America to other countries in the alliance. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:40 | |
His time here brought home to him how integrated the global economy had become. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
Isolation just wasn¹t an option. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
The economic fate of entire populations | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
might come to depend on events hundreds, even thousands, of miles away. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
Once the war was over, Keynes could see how hatred of the defeated Germans | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
might lead the victors to make a terrible mistake. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
At the end of the First World War there was a great deal of obviously public hostility towards Germany. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
It had been a disastrous war both in terms of lives and casualties, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
but economically, too. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
I think there was quite a strong feeling that Germany must be made to pay. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
At the Palace of Versailles, where the peace treaty was signed, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
British Prime Minister Lloyd George and his French and American allies relished their victory. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:35 | |
Keynes was a member of the British delegation here but, against his advice, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
Germany was ordered to pay everyone¹s bills for the damage and suffering caused by the war. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
How could Germany afford to repay that debt? | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
You need an economy that is running to produce money and wealth. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
And then you can repay. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
You cannot repay out of nothing. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
Keynes was so outraged that he resigned from the Treasury | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
and retreated to his room in Charleston | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
to write his first major book, ªThe Economic Consequences of the Peaceº. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
Brilliantly written, it became a best seller, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
though some said, with his sympathy for the Germans, he should be awarded an Iron Cross. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
He says, "If we aim deliberately at the impoverishment of Central Europe, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
"vengeance, I dare predict, will not limp." | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
But the key point for me is, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
he didn¹t just think it was immoral, the treaty, or unfair, he thought it was stupid. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
He thought a desperate Germany wasn¹t going to keep the peace in Europe, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
and it certainly wasn¹t going to contribute to prosperity. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
It wasn¹t going to buy goods from Britain and help Britain recover from the war. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
Something he kept coming back to one way or another throughout his life - | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
we¹re all in it together. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
The Versailles Treaty brought one of the great powers of Europe to its knees. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:09 | |
As Keynes predicted, the German economy descended into chaos. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
Their debts were so impossibly large, they ended up printing the money to pay the bills | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
which quickly led to hyperinflation and a thoroughly worthless currency. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
Hyperinflation didn¹t just destroy the economy. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
It destroyed the fabric of German society, people¹s hopes, too. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
There are stories about people taking out all of their savings | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
to buy a single postage stamp for a suicide letter. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
When Keynes warned that the Versailles Treaty would bring a catastrophe here, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
even his admirers might have thought he was exaggerating. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
But they didn¹t think that for long. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
CROWD: Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
Just 14 years after the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler came to power. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
World War II wasn't far away. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
As Keynes had predicted, the price of getting economic relations wrong was calamity. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:23 | |
Keynes foresaw that the reparations were too onerous, would have to be adjusted | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
and that actually you were laying the seeds of the next European conflagration. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:33 | |
He thought it was unbelievably short-sighted. He was right. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
So what would Keynes make of Europe today? | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Well, once again he might see strong countries dictating economic terms to the weak, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:48 | |
though this time it's strong countries like Germany itself | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
insisting that crisis-ridden nations, like Greece, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
sign up to tough budget cuts in exchange for emergency loans. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
The newspapers show the depth of ill will that¹s built up as a result of the crisis. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
You¹ve got the Germans talking about the Greeks as no-good scroungers. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:11 | |
But in Greece, well, there¹s no more taboo any more about comparing German leaders to Nazis. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
But Keynes might say they were harking back to the wrong war. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
The tough conditions being imposed on Greece might remind HIM, ironically, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
of the deal imposed on Germany at Versailles. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
The dominant thinking in Europe at the moment | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
is exactly repeating the mistakes I believe, certainly for Greece, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
as was made at the end of the First World War. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:39 | |
There comes a point, if you visit on countries things they can never deliver, it will end in tears. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
If you look at what's happening in the Eurozone today, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
you have riots on the streets of Greece, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
general strikes in Spain, general strikes in Portugal. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
You can see, well, aren't we just failing to learn the lessons of history here? | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
If Keynes could join me in Berlin today, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
he¹d surely appreciate the complexity of the crisis in the Eurozone | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
and he¹d understand why ordinary Germans feel it¹s time for Greece to pay its own way. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:14 | |
But he also understood that imposing too much austerity could be self defeating. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:20 | |
I think he would have said, "Let's make Greece strong, so then they can repay their debt." | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
As long as a debtor pays, the creditor is happy. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
But as soon as a debtor gets into difficulties, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
and if he's a very important debtor, the creditor has also problems. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
Because he won't get his money back. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
Faced with the crisis affecting the people of Europe today, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
Keynes would undoubtedly have come up with some solutions. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
In fact, years after the Treaty of Versailles, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
he'd unveil a plan for countries to work better together. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:58 | |
But first, there was a more basic question, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
how to steer the economy itself? | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
To tame the economy, to make it work for us, | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
Keynes realised you first had to understand how it worked. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
And the tool for doing that - economics - was still young in the 1920s, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
but it had grand ambitions. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
People hoped you'd be able to predict the movement of economies, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
like you could predict the movement of the planets. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
Keynes was drawn to that idea as well but he came to the conclusion economies weren't like planets. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:34 | |
They were more like people. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
You never really knew what they were going to do next. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
In fact, he noticed, the times when economies looked most predictable, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:45 | |
were usually the times when things were about to go disastrously wrong. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
It certainly felt like that in 2008, | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
when the world financial system imploded after one of the longest booms in history. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:03 | |
Many claim now to have seen it coming, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
but at the time, many more behaved as if the good times would go on and on. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:11 | |
No return to Tory boom and bust. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
Being too sure about the economic future | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
was another mistake that Keynes had warned about 80 years ago. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
Because he'd made the same mistake himself. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
After resigning from the Treasury after World War I, | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Keynes retreated to the sanctuary of his old college, Kings in Cambridge. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
He was a lecturer and later a bursar, looking after the college¹s finances. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
He had a special interest in probability theory, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
a branch of mathematics that tries to predict the future from the evidence of the past. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
When he wasn¹t writing or studying, Keynes was often betting on the financial markets. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
He needed money and he thought speculation was a good way to get it. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
But it was also a great way for him to test his belief | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
that probability theory and statistics | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
could help you predict the way markets were going to move. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
He had very mixed results. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
In his early years as an investor, Keynes sat in bed every morning | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
poring over reams of statistics about currencies, shares, bonds and commodities. | 0:21:55 | 0:22:00 | |
When he was sure he¹d worked out which way the market would move, he¹d make the deals. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
Cambridge academic David Chambers has spent a lot of time studying Keynes¹ investment strategies. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
Given this economic knowledge that he had, this great thirst that he had for numbers and statistics, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:27 | |
he believed I think that he could define, delineate, the business cycle. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:33 | |
And as a consequence of that he would be able to pick | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
when was the right time to be in the stock market, to own shares, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
and when was the right time to come out of the stock market into bonds, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
government bonds in particular, or, alternatively, cash. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
But none of Keynes¹s elaborate calculations pointed out the disaster just around the corner. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:58 | |
Wall Street before the crash in 1929 looked a lot like the tail end of our market boom. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
Investors could see no end to the good times. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
Armed with the very latest mathematical models, they thought they had everything covered. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:15 | |
Then the bubble burst. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
World markets collapsed and Keynes lost money, along with millions of others, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:22 | |
paving the way for the Great Depression. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
His confidence in predicting the future was gone. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
He would have bitterly reproached himself for not foreseeing the Great Depression. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
But he came to the view that the future is not like that, | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
that anybody who happens to predict it right | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
is likely to be doing so on the basis of luck rather than judgment. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
Keynes¹ speculating days weren¹t quite over. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
Years later, he thought he might have to store hundreds of tons of wheat in King¹s College chapel, | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
after a commodity trade went wrong. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
But he did change the way he invested, and became a wealthy man. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
He¹d learned lessons about the way economies work that we still struggle with today. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
That you can never get rid of uncertainty and that economies are made up of people, not numbers. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:22 | |
More than anyone, Keynes wanted economics to be respected as a modern science. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
But he knew it was never going to be a science you could reduce to a set of equations, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
iron predictions, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
because economists were always going to have one extra thing to deal with, human nature. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:41 | |
If you don't know about the future and you're trying to get a fix | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
on what's taking place anywhere in time, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
you know, you would defer to the crowds. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
If the crowd is moving in a certain direction, they must be right. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
"The crowd's buying. What are they buying? I must buy, too." | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
"The crowd's selling, I must sell, too!" | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
And it's very animal. It¹s very herd. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
This idea of herd psychology helped Keynes make sense of the economic bubble | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
that blew up in the years before the great crash of 1929. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
It can also do a pretty good job explaining our own great financial crash in 2008. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
In normal times, any economic textbook now or in Keynes¹ time | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
would say if the price of something goes up, people buy less of it. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
If the price goes down, they buy more. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
That's how markets work. Except, Keynes realised, when you have bubbles. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
Then a different side of human nature takes over. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
It's the side that says, "Oh, house prices are going up. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
"Shares are going up. I shall buy more because the price is going to go up again." | 0:25:46 | 0:25:50 | |
Which, of course, it does. It becomes a self-fulfilling spiral. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
Prices go up and up and up and up. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
Eventually, the bubble will burst. It always does. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
In the years before 2008, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
did we forget what Keynes had taught us about herd psychology, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
bubbles and the uncertainty of economic life? | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
Did the bankers, investors, politicians and the rest of us | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
simply get too confident in thinking the good times would go on forever? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
I think inasmuch as people actually sat down and thought about what were the risks, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
what are the uncertainties, then clearly a large number of people were manifestly found wanting. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:34 | |
And, of course, if you don't know what you're doing, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
it's not surprising that you end up being smashed to bits and that's precisely what happened. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
Keynes¹s big ideas, that countries shouldn¹t beggar their neighbours, | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
that markets were unpredictable, all came out of his own experience. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
Now the Great Depression produced his most important idea yet, | 0:26:59 | 0:27:04 | |
and added real urgency to his need to tame the economy. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
What he realised was, economies might sink | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
and then not automatically float back up. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
Looking around the western economies today, that does sound a bit familiar. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:22 | |
In the early '30s, the outside world was deep in gloom, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
with dole queues lengthening and factories closing everywhere, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
but Keynes¹ life was blissful. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
By now he was famous, and he'd shocked even his avant-garde Bloomsbury friends | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
by marrying a Russian ballerina. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
Up till then, he¹d been gay. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Art, books, love affairs, for Keynes this was what life was all about. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:58 | |
But he understood, probably more keenly than his Bloomsbury friends with their inherited wealth, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:03 | |
that money kept the whole thing afloat. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
You couldn¹t have a civilised society without a well-functioning economy. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:11 | |
When he was back in the real world on Monday morning, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
he could see the British economy wasn¹t working at all. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
Britain had been in a slump for years. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
Classical economists said that if workers would just agree to wage cuts, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:28 | |
businessmen would invest again, create jobs, and the economy would revive. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
But Keynes disagreed. He thought the way to recovery was being blocked by pessimism, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:39 | |
or low animal spirits. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
The big insight of Keynes behind all of this | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
was that a market economy is not self-stabilising. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
When you get very big changes in animal spirits, in sentiment, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
the people who are producing to sell in the future | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
suddenly worry that actually maybe there won't be the demand in the future, so they stop producing. | 0:28:55 | 0:29:01 | |
To get out of that low output trap can be very difficult. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Keynes realisation that an economy could stay sunk indefinitely | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
was a radical break with conventional thinking. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
The classical approach said the economy would get better, we just had to give it time. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
But looking around, it seemed obvious to Keynes that it wasn¹t getting any better | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
and it seemed blindingly obvious why it wasn¹t. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
Every time someone lost their jobs and joined the dole queue, they had less money to spend, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
so that would mean fewer goods were bought. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
It would probably mean more job losses. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
You could get caught in a downward spiral with no obvious way out. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
Now it seems equally obvious to us today, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
but back then it was all very new. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
Keynes thought the low animal spirits in the business world were now infecting everyone. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:59 | |
In a radio broadcast in 1931, he made a dramatic call for action. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
ACTOR AS KEYNES: The slump in trade and employment | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
are as bad as the worst which have ever occurred. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
Activity and enterprise, both individually and nationally, must be the cure. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:23 | |
Today, Keynes¹ followers have made similar calls. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
Years after the start of the recession, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
the economy is still struggling to get back to where it was. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
You don¹t have to be Keynes to see animal spirits are low. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:41 | |
Whether his ideas can revive them is another question. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
Keynes¹ insight that countries could just get stuck | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
was probably his most important contribution to economic thinking. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
But he didn¹t just want to understand economies, he wanted to make them work better. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:57 | |
He had plenty of advice for getting out of a slump, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
but the most controversial was that governments should spend money they haven¹t got. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
To my mind, the biggest argument in politics today | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
is over whether countries have done too much of that since the crisis hit or not enough. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
Keynes might have died almost seven decades ago, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
but out here in the Arizona desert, his big idea for getting the economy moving again lives on. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:31 | |
At Gila Bend, they're building the biggest solar power plant of its kind in the world. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:42 | |
The site covers over three-and-a-half square miles. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
Nearly a million mirrors will capture enough energy | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
to provide 70,000 American homes with clean power. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:00 | |
But for the people in this remote region, and for John Maynard Keynes, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
probably the most important thing this plant will produce is employment. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
Between my wife and I, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
we probably spent two years out of work. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
Thank God, not at the same time but... | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
But we, er, we took some very significant hits. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
The company that sources our manpower tells me they receive 300 resumes per day. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:32 | |
There's a lot of people looking for work. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
And the people who have jobs out here are very... feel very lucky to have their jobs. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
In effect, this plant is part of a vast Keynesian experiment. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
In the wake of the crash, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
the US government stumped up three-quarters of a trillion dollars for projects like this one | 0:32:47 | 0:32:52 | |
to create jobs and growth. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:53 | |
In normal times, say the people who run this site, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
they would have raised the billion and a half dollars to get things going from commercial banks. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
But these aren't normal times. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
Because of that downturn, we had to, er... | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
..look for alternative sources of financing. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:17 | |
And, of course, in this context | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
the Federal loan guarantee programme here in the US has helped a lot. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
In fact without that kind of public programmes this plant would have never been a reality. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:31 | |
Now we¹re used to governments using their cash | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
to try to bring the economy to life in hostile environments where private money's drying up. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:43 | |
But back in Keynes¹ day, it was a much more controversial idea. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
In the 1930s, Keynes spent weekdays at his home here in London¹s Bloomsbury district. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:59 | |
He wrote countless articles and pamphlets | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
explaining how something could and should be done to tackle this Great Depression. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:08 | |
In normal times, Keynes thought monetary policy was the best way to help the economy. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
You cut interest rates to encourage people to borrow and spend more | 0:34:13 | 0:34:17 | |
and companies to invest. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
But when animal spirits are really low that might not be enough. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
Companies might not see the point of making new investments, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
people might not want to borrow no matter how cheap it was. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
That¹s when Keynes thought government did need to make up the gap with more public spending. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:36 | |
Keynes suggested the government should hire people to demolish South London and then rebuild it. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
He wasn¹t serious, but he was making a serious point. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
If the government borrowed to create jobs, people would spend more, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
confidence would rise, and the economy would recover. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
If you picked the right moment, he insisted the extra spending would pay for itself | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
by producing higher tax revenues. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
He did have enormous trouble trying to persuade the Treasury, | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
the so-called "Treasury view", | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
that you should borrow at the bottom of a business cycle. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
But in economic terms what you need is more demand in the economy | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
and you can do that in the ways Keynes suggested. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
Naive Keynesian prescriptions of simply responding to recession | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
by raising the budget deficit, as if this had no effect, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
no adverse effect, on other economic variables, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
I really think are very dangerous policy prescriptions. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
In the '30s, Keynes found that most British politicians had a similar view - | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
high borrowing was dangerous. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
He thought he might have a more receptive audience in America. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:46 | |
After all, he was now a celebrity on both sides of the Atlantic, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
and the economic situation in America was desperate. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
Gross national product was down to almost 70%. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
You had unemployment nationally at 25%. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
In places like Chicago and Detroit, unemployment was up to 50%. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
Over half the population unemployed. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
President Hoover¹s solution to the Great Depression had been spending cuts and tax rises. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
He'd made an argument we¹ve heard others make more recently. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
Balancing the country¹s books would create confidence and encourage investment. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
Didn't happen. Never has happened. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
When you cut back government spending | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
in a situation such as a recession or depression, demand goes down, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:37 | |
unemployment goes up, and it's a vicious circle. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:43 | |
Confidence isn't restored when unemployment goes up and when business goes down. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
Confidence is eroded. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:50 | |
Hoover¹s successor, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, had a different approach. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
Again, echoing arguments made today, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
he thought the government should spend its way out of trouble. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
This nation is asking for action | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
and action now! | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
When Keynes arrived in America, in 1934, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
there¹s no evidence that he persuaded the US government to adopt Keynesianism. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
They were doing it anyway. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Keynes had his one and only meeting with President Roosevelt. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
By all accounts, it didn¹t go very well. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
Keynes thought the President was no economist. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
The President thought Keynes was a bit too clever for his own good. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
But they did agree on the most important thing. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
This was no time for government to sit on its hands. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
It was time for an historic experiment. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
The New Deal, a vast programme of government-funded projects | 0:37:58 | 0:38:03 | |
to put armies of jobless to work. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
Ever since, it¹s been the celebrated example | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
of a Keynesian effort to boost flagging economies. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
And there¹s no more iconic project of that era than this one. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
Hoover Dam. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
Built across the Colorado River, bordering Nevada and Arizona, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
it was the biggest construction project in the world. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
I would call it a Keynesian project, absolutely. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
The government stepped in with money. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
Built a deficit, and out of that came Hoover Dam, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
which gave thousands, tens of thousands of people, | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
a new life, money to spend. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
Armies of workers from across America | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
tunnelled for five years through mile upon mile of mountain rock | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
to build, what was in effect, a vast power generator, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
providing electricity for huge swathes of the country. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
It primed the economy. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
165 million investment, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
which produced billions in growth, economic growth. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
Just eight miles away is Boulder City, built to house the workers building the dam. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:39 | |
All these houses along these avenues are what we now call "ding-bat houses". | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
They were the homes built for the workers. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
They were put up to last through the construction of the dam. Very quickly built. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:59 | |
But because people stayed, which they didn't anticipate, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
families still lived in them. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:04 | |
Roger Shoaff runs the town's hotel. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
He thinks Boulder City shows how in a depression | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
extra government spending CAN trigger private spending and investment, too, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
adding to the economic benefits. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
It's what Keynes called "the multiplier". | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
By the end of the second year, they lived in a town, a full town, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
fully operating town with retail stores and restaurants | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
and medical facilities and recreational facilities. It happened in less than two years. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:37 | |
Critics of Keynesian spending plans often say the benefits are fleeting and the costs permanent. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
But Boulder City took root and thrived. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
Those who still live here say if it hadn¹t been for the New Deal, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
this would still be desert. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
Hoover Dam might have helped the local area, | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
but it¹s actually a myth that the New Deal ended the Great Depression. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
It took a world war and all the extra government spending that went with that, finally, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:18 | |
to bring the economy out of the doldrums. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
You might wonder whether a world war was really the best test of Keynes¹ arguments. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
But ever since then, so-called "Keynesian policies" | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
have been what governments do when faced with emergencies. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
And the crisis of 2008 was the biggest emergency anyone had seen for a long time. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:42 | |
When the global financial system crashed, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
the world faced the real possibility of another Great Depression. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
Governments had been preaching the free market for years. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
But faced with this economic disaster they reached again for the old Keynesian levers. | 0:41:54 | 0:42:00 | |
It was a classic Keynesian response. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
When individuals and businesses stop spending money, | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
if the government also stops spending money at the same time, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
then what happens? The economy, basically, crashes. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
The aim was to boost confidence, or animal spirits, | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
by making it easier to borrow, invest and spend. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
Interest rates were slashed to just half of one percent, the lowest on record. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
We¹re all now in uncharted territory. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
Then, when interest rates couldn¹t go much lower, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
the Bank of England started pumping billions of pounds directly into the economy. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
It¹s literally creating £75 billion in the next few months | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
to get money moving around the economy again. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
Even VAT was temporarily cut. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
It'll make goods and services cheaper and by encouraging spending it will help stimulate growth. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:52 | |
In 2009, with the global economy still tottering, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:56 | |
leaders gathered in London to endorse a Keynesian rescue plan for the entire world. | 0:42:56 | 0:43:01 | |
This is the day that the world came together | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
to fight back against the global recession. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:08 | |
I find it very hard to explain the collapse in world trade, | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
of over 15% between the end of '08 and the beginning of spring '09, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:17 | |
in terms of anything other than an extraordinary collapse of "animal spirits", or confidence. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:22 | |
Now some of that was turned around in 2009, but by no means all. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
Even that great rescue plan of 2009 wasn¹t quite what it seemed. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:36 | |
For all Gordon Brown¹s talk, Britain's own stimulus plan was actually one of the smallest, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:41 | |
because our government was already borrowing more than any other advanced economy. | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
So even a Keynesian Prime Minister like Gordon Brown didn¹t think we could borrow a lot more. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:52 | |
His successor thinks we should borrow much less. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:55 | |
We now have a Prime Minister who, on one fundamental point, appears to disagree with Keynes. | 0:43:56 | 0:44:02 | |
Some of the normal things that governments can do to deal with a normal recession, | 0:44:02 | 0:44:07 | |
like borrowing to cut taxes or increasing spending. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:11 | |
These things won't work because they lead to more debt, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
which would make the crisis worse. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
The only way out of a debt crisis is to deal with your debts. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:21 | |
I suspect that Keynes probably wouldn't have used exactly the Prime Minister's formulation. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
I think that Keynes would have accepted at some point | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
that you have to head back towards a more balanced budget, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
particularly if you don't want to stack debts on future generations. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
To me the remarkable thing is that countries like the UK, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
that have a choice, | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
are voluntarily putting themselves through austerity | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
and, almost certainly, we will know, we know what will happen. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:51 | |
The economy will get weaker. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:54 | |
Erm, unemployment will go up, | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
and there will be an enormous amount | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
of unnecessary suffering. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
This argument will run and run on both sides of the Atlantic. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
In Arizona, the massive spending programme that built this solar power plant | 0:45:09 | 0:45:14 | |
and let thousands clock on for new jobs hasn't been a miracle cure for the US economy. | 0:45:14 | 0:45:21 | |
Maybe the medicine didn¹t work because the dose was too small. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
Or maybe, the mountain of debt weighing on most western economies | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
means the Keynesian route to recovery is simply shut off. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:34 | |
We are in a stratosphere today | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
that we just have not seen before and maybe it's fine, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
but no other countries, rarely, have seen these debt levels. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:45 | |
Public, private and other measures, they're risks. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
By the 1940s, Keynes was riding high. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
His theatre, here in Cambridge, was thriving. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
He was back in the Treasury helping finance the Second World War, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
and his books were being hailed as masterpieces. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
But he had one last big idea to pursue, | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
with profound implications for the world, then and now. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
Keynes¹s ideas for fixing broken economies had now been tested. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:19 | |
But towards the end of World War II, | 0:46:19 | 0:46:21 | |
he got a chance to leave his mark on the entire global economy. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
In a more integrated world he was more convinced than ever | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
that countries needed institutions to force them together, make them co-operate. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:33 | |
The catastrophe after World War I could never happen again. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:38 | |
The single most important trip to America that Keynes ever took was in 1944 | 0:46:44 | 0:46:49 | |
to the exclusive resort of Bretton Woods in New Hampshire. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
He was joining delegates from over 40 different countries, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:57 | |
all charged with laying the foundations of a new post-war global economy. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:02 | |
They wanted to rebuild the system. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
Not just from the war, but from the Great Depression. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
The financial system had just been destroyed. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
The economic chaos of the '20s and '30s was largely responsible for the war, Keynes believed. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:20 | |
Countries had all focused on charting their own path, | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
without very much thought for what was going around them. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
The world had paid a terrible price for that failure to co-operate. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
There was a determination among officials in London and Washington | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
that we couldn't do this again. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
We had to fix the world's economy. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
That we had to... We couldn't go back to the kind of economic crisis | 0:47:46 | 0:47:51 | |
we'd had before because we couldn't afford another world war. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
As representatives from across the world gathered here at Mount Washington Hotel, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
elsewhere there was still ferocious fighting. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
But once the war was over, Keynes knew, for the world economy to prosper, | 0:48:05 | 0:48:10 | |
countries would need to work together much more closely. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
Only two delegations at the conference really counted | 0:48:14 | 0:48:18 | |
Keynes¹ British team and the Americans. | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
Both agreed that there should be controls | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
to prevent currencies fluctuating too wildly against each other. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
They agreed that institutions, that later became the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, | 0:48:29 | 0:48:35 | |
should be there to foster trade and growth in poorer economies. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
Well, the big gain from it was the recognition | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
that countries need to work together to resolve their macro-economic problems. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
It's just not enough to pretend that you can do it as an island. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
You may be an island geographically but you're not economically. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
But on one crucial issue, Keynes failed. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:00 | |
The Americans were adamant that rich exporting countries, like them, | 0:49:00 | 0:49:04 | |
shouldn¹t have to spend more and export less to balance world trade. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:09 | |
It was weak countries with big trade deficits that had to shape up. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
If everyone at Bretton Woods had accepted Keynes' logic, | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
that it takes ALL sides to keep the global economy in balance, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
the world today might be in a lot better shape. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
This old East German television tower is a symbol of reunified Germany. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
But these days feelings of European unity are in short supply. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:39 | |
Ministers here in Berlin want struggling Eurozone countries to impose tough measures | 0:49:42 | 0:49:47 | |
to get their economies into shape. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
The stronger countries have been willing to help | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
by offering massive loans, but I don¹t think Keynes would have thought that was enough. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:58 | |
Keynes thought, for the global economy to work, it had to be a two-way street. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:05 | |
So the weak countries, that had run up a lot of debt with the rest of the world, | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
they did have to become more competitive, learn to pay their way. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
But the rich exporters... Well, they had to do their bit as well - | 0:50:13 | 0:50:17 | |
spending more on other countries' goods and exporting less, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:21 | |
becoming a bit less competitive. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
Now that¹s a bit of Keynesian advice that doesn¹t go down well here in Germany at all. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:28 | |
If you say Germany should export less or become less competitive, | 0:50:28 | 0:50:32 | |
the popular view is, "That's mad!" | 0:50:32 | 0:50:34 | |
Why getting us weak when others are already weak? | 0:50:34 | 0:50:38 | |
And, certainly, that's the wrong conclusion. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
There are signs of movement on Germany¹s side of the street. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
Domestic car sales have been going up. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
But exports are still a central plank of the country¹s economic policies. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:02 | |
And car exports are up by almost a third in the past two years. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:09 | |
German consumers have been spending more lately. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
But not enough to provide much of a selling opportunity for struggling countries like Greece. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:18 | |
That's a very popular approach, to tell German private households, "Please, spend more. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
"Don't be so greedy with your money." | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
Er, but I think that's, that's wrong. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
Because people look at their income and say, "I can't afford it, simply." And that's true. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
I mean we have had very weak wage increases during the past years. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:39 | |
And that's the point where you have to have higher wages. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
And these higher wages you could certainly spend. | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
And then German consumption would be much stronger than it was in the past and that will help us. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:50 | |
Memories of hyperinflation are still raw in Germany. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:59 | |
Few want to put their hard-won economic stability at risk for their weaker European neighbours. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:05 | |
The divisions between countries at a global level are even clearer. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
Leaders pay lip service to Keynes¹ dream of a truly co-ordinated global economy, | 0:52:10 | 0:52:15 | |
where the strong work with the weak for the benefit of all. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
But there¹s little sign of them actually doing it. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
I think that Keynes would look at our world | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
the troubles in the Eurozone, the banking crisis | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
and say it was a pretty scary place, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
without many of the checks and balances that he argued for at Bretton Woods. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:35 | |
But he'd also say - he DID say - | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
that a really global economy was tremendously exciting, | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
with huge potential to improve all of our lives. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
If governments could only work out how to put into practise | 0:52:45 | 0:52:48 | |
that basic insight that he kept coming back to. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
We really are all in it together. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:54 | |
Sure, it would be great to have better multinational institutions | 0:52:54 | 0:52:58 | |
and Keynes was a pioneer in that. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
He was a big believer. In order to fix the international financial system that would be very helpful. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
And maybe somebody with the sort of magnetism and gravitas | 0:53:05 | 0:53:11 | |
and stature of Keynes could somehow catalyse that. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
But he is a rare person indeed. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:16 | |
Keynes left an extraordinary legacy. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:21 | |
He didn¹t just transform economics, | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
he changed the lives of billions of people around the globe. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:28 | |
There aren¹t many people born in the 1880s | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
whose name you hear as often as Keynes in current debates. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:35 | |
His ideas that countries shouldn¹t beggar their neighbours, | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
that economies were deeply unpredictable, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
could get stuck in slumps, have changed the way we think about the world. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:46 | |
But what can Keynes actually do for us right now? | 0:53:46 | 0:53:50 | |
Back in Cumbria, it¹s clear what Keynes has done for them. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
Government intervention will help keep Pirelli¹s tyre factory open, | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
and provide a lot of employment. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:03 | |
In the political mainstream, there aren¹t many who challenge Keynes¹ basic message | 0:54:03 | 0:54:08 | |
that you can¹t leave economies to drive themselves. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
Keynes was a very dominant force in the 20th century | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
and my guess is he will remain a dominant force in the 21st century, | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
which is why I think he will go down as one of the greatest economists the world has produced. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:25 | |
80 years ago, building this dam eased the Great Depression. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:30 | |
With the government borrowing more cheaply than ever before, | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
you might think the case for New Deal-type investments was equally strong today. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:37 | |
But given the sheer volume of public debt, no-one can promise that piling on more borrowing | 0:54:37 | 0:54:42 | |
will be a miracle cure. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
What is thought of as a typical Keynesian solution | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
to get more debt, borrow money, spend, spend, spend and cut taxes. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:53 | |
That needs to be used more judiciously here, | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
because, at the end of the day, you¹ve got to get rid of this debt. | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
This is a very long haul. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
I don't think anything just boosts your way and zooms your way out of this. | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
There just is no magic bullet. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
And what of Keynes¹ final big idea, that countries are all in it together? | 0:55:11 | 0:55:16 | |
Since Bretton Woods, the world has grudgingly accepted that we have to co-operate to prosper. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:21 | |
But we¹re struggling to make it work in practise. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
He'd be worried. He'd be very worried. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
He'd have been very concerned about the growth of inequality worldwide. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
Er, he'd be very concerned that there was a return to beggar my neighbour policies. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:38 | |
I have no doubt that he would be warning of regional war | 0:55:38 | 0:55:43 | |
and all its dangers. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:45 | |
He'd be very frightened | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
that the circumstances that led to war in 14/18 and 39/45 | 0:55:48 | 0:55:52 | |
were, on a slow-burn basis, unfolding in front of us again. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
Maybe the biggest thing Keynes could do for us now | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
would be to remind us of the traits that guided him all of his life - | 0:56:01 | 0:56:07 | |
imagination and optimism. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
He came along and was willing to examine these profound problems | 0:56:09 | 0:56:14 | |
in ways that no-one had done before. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
His great legacy is that fundamental belief in humanity, | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
that fundamental belief in the ability of government and society | 0:56:21 | 0:56:24 | |
to dedicate itself to helping those that are less fortunate and need our help. | 0:56:24 | 0:56:30 | |
In 1946, Keynes suffered a fatal heart attack in his beloved Sussex Downs. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:46 | |
Just 62, he left a legacy that changed the world. | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
But he also left an enigma. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:56 | |
He thought we should try to tame the power of money to make it work for us, | 0:56:56 | 0:57:01 | |
but he also taught us that economies were fundamentally unpredictable. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:05 | |
It¹s a contradiction we¹re still grappling with today. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:11 | |
More than anyone, Keynes paved the way for activist government. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:20 | |
He said you could and should make the world economy work better. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
The generation that rebuilt the global economy after the war | 0:57:24 | 0:57:29 | |
really were children of Keynes. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
But when you read him today, there's another equally powerful message that comes through, | 0:57:32 | 0:57:36 | |
about the great unpredictability, uncertainty, of economic life. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:41 | |
You should never think you¹ve got it covered, that you¹ve abolished boom and bust. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:45 | |
That¹s the great paradox. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:47 | |
The man who did most to make economists arrogant | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
in their capacity to bend the world to their will, | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 | |
also gave them or should have given them the best reasons for self-doubt. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:59 | |
Next time on the Power Of Money, Keynes' great adversary, Friedrich Hayek, | 0:58:04 | 0:58:09 | |
who looked at the same facts and drew exactly the opposite view - | 0:58:09 | 0:58:12 | |
the market needed to be set free and government should back off. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:16 | |
The Open University has produced six one-minute animations | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
to explain some of the key economic ideas that affect all of us. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:23 | |
So if you want to learn how to spot an invisible hand or other secrets of economics, | 0:58:23 | 0:58:28 | |
Go to... | 0:58:28 | 0:58:32 | |
And follow the link to the Open University. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
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