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One thousand years of history under one roof, | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
the National Archives, a treasure house of secrets. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
The records of extraordinary times and people. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
These files are this nation's story, our shared past. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
Documents housed here were highly classified, | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
intended for the eyes of only the privileged few, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
protected from your sight for decades. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
But not now. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
I've been granted special access to files once kept hush-hush. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
I'll unearth amazing tales from our hidden history. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
Forget what you've been told, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
these documents tell the truth. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
Coming up in this programme, banned, censored and forbidden. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
How a Beatle's art was condemned as obscene. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
I feel, behind the scenes, somebody's said, "Let's get Lennon." | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
Not welcome in Britain. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
The religious leader that the government tried to keep out. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
Do you ever think that you might be quite mad? | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
Oh, yes. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
The one man in the world who never believes he's mad is a mad man. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
And town versus country. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
An age-old conflict between concern for animals and local tradition. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
It's this idea that all of these Londoners, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
coming up here, telling us what to do. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
We have been doing this for centuries. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
No! No! | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
Come on... Come on... | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
Oh, no...! | 0:02:01 | 0:02:02 | |
We British love our Carry On films... | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
You're only after one thing. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
Why? What's the matter with the other one? | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
..for their smutty humour. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
But when does rude become crude? | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
And when does art cease to be art, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
passing from risque to obscene? | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
The state has always imposed censorship, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
and the first conviction for obscenity was in 1727 | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
against the intriguingly-named publication The Nun In Her Smock. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
Not until 1960 could literary merit be pleaded as a defence, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:39 | |
tested in the famous prosecution of the novel Lady Chatterley's Lover. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:45 | |
That trial inaugurated the struggle between the artists | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
and the authorities. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
45 years ago, the work of one person of fame and influence | 0:02:52 | 0:02:58 | |
tested the authorities' tolerance beyond its limit. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
Sexual intercourse began in 1963, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
which was rather late for me. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
Between the end of the Chatterley ban and The Beatles' first LP. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
Philip Larkin's amusing verse precisely dates | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
the beginning of the permissive society | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
and places the Fab Four at the heart of it. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
And at the heart of The Beatles was John Lennon. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
From mop-top to peace activism, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
he was the band's trendsetter. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
By the turn of the decade, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:36 | |
he'd gone his own way as a musician | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
and broke the boundaries with pen and ink. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
In 1970, an exhibition was staged at the London Arts Gallery | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
of certain of his lewd lithographs. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
A complaint was made | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
and the Metropolitan Police went to investigate | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
under 1839 obscenity legislation. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
In these wonderful documents | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
is the testimony of Assistant Detective Inspector Frederick Luff. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:09 | |
"Should these lithographs be judged works of great artistic merit | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
"or not obscene, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
"I feel sure the progressives have no need to endeavour | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
"to repeal the obscenity laws, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:20 | |
"ie, nothing is obscene. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
"Many toilet walls depict works of similar merit. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
"It is perhaps charitable to suggest | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
"that they are the work of a sick mind." | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
But he is worried about the great influence | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
of John Lennon as a Beatle. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Who made the complaint that caused the police to investigate? | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
The archives contain a statement from a Mrs Nanci Creer, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
a justice of the peace, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
who described her horror on visiting the exhibition. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
"When I saw the first picture on the far wall, I was stunned. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
"I couldn't believe what I was looking at. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
"I went on and looked at two or three more. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
"I went to the other wall | 0:05:03 | 0:05:04 | |
"and, suddenly, I felt I couldn't stay in the gallery any longer. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
"I went over to my husband, who hadn't left the first picture. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
"I took him by the arm and I said, 'I can't stay in here. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
"'I'll go on up the road. You can follow me.' | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
"He turned, looked at me and said, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
"'You're red in the face. You're scarlet.' | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
"As I spoke to him, I realised that I was red with embarrassment." | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
Well, what was the nature of these works of art | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
that had provoked such a strong reaction? | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
I can see here the pieces on the wall. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
And, yes, yes... | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
I'm getting a kind of idea of what kind of... | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
Ah, yes, yes... | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
Oh, John...! | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
Yeah, no, they are pretty explicit. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
They really show all the variations of sexual intercourse and erm... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
Oh, yes, a few solo performances by Yoko Ono... | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
Well, whatever were the merits of John Lennon as a lithographer, | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
he believed that all you need is love. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
Imagine! | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
By 1970, Lennon had little left to prove as a musician or a songwriter. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
But to gain acceptance as a graphic artist was much harder. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
What do you regard as the artistic merit of the lithographs | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
or so-called lithographs? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:29 | |
Most of the art establishment thought that Lennon | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
was trading on his reputation as a pop star. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
They were denounced as poor drawings. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
And, in actual fact, they're not. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
They're actually, by today's standards, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
actually rather accomplished drawings. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
You can tell he's trying to be amusing | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
and that's a difficult skill to master. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
Of course, Lennon wasn't alone in his creative endeavours. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
By this time, he was in love with and heavily influenced by Yoko Ono, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:03 | |
who was also no stranger to controversy. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
She brought out, she encouraged his art. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
She encouraged him to do it, about having no boundaries. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
But both of them were obsessed by bottoms | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
and were obsessed by naked people enjoying them. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
But, don't forget, they'd been to art college. At least, John had. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
If you're at art college, you do life drawings, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
so you're used, from a young age, to drawing the male and female nude. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
Let's turn to the matter of obscenity. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
The policeman, Mr Luff, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
in the documents that I've seen says, | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
"Now, if this isn't obscene, nothing is obscene." | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
Do you think they're as obscene as you can get? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
No, they're not nearly as obscene | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
as things that were produced even before John Lennon | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
was producing those drawings. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
They're merely an affectionate repertoire of lovemaking skills. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:57 | |
Well, that was not the view of the police, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
who raided the exhibition the day after it opened | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
and stripped the offending artworks from the walls, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
much to the annoyance of the gallery's owner. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
I'm just amazed and I find it rather humorous. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
It seems to me, if the police wanted to seize anything, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
they'd go down to Soho, seize smut, seize blue movies. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
And it appears they seized the art mainly because John Lennon did it. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
I actually suspect the police, because it happened so quickly | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
and they'd got these people making these really silly comments | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
that they were disgusted by it, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:32 | |
I feel, behind the scenes, somebody's said, "Let's get Lennon." | 0:08:32 | 0:08:36 | |
But if that was the plan, it didn't work. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
The gallery owner was taken to court, | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
but the case was thrown out. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:45 | |
And Lennon's works were later displayed across the world. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
Where does this stand | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
in the battle for the permissive society, do you think? | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
I think it's incredibly important, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
because the failure of that trial | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
really marks the point at which youth culture has won | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
and the establishment has lost. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
They tried very hard to victimise | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
many of the more important major characters of the '60s... | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
Mick Jagger, Keith Richards were others. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
And they failed in all cases. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
The lithographs, condemned as obscene at the time, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
are now worth an estimated £85,000, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
a price perhaps inflated by the state's attempt to ban them in 1970. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
Proving that, while money can't buy you love, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
it can secure you an outline of lovemaking. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
If I say the word Scientology, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
you'll probably think of movie A-listers, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
like Tom Cruise and John Travolta. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
But long before this religious movement became big in Hollywood, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
it was attracting followers in Britain. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
And as secret documents show, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
the religion was causing alarm amongst government ministers. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
Scientology's founder, L Ron Hubbard, | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
was a science fiction writer | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
with a vision for a new concept of religion. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
What is Scientology, How would you describe it? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
Well, it's very interesting. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
You've just asked a question like, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
what are the contents of the Encyclopaedia Britannica? | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
Answer in one word. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
In 1959, he moved its world headquarters to Britain, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
to Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead in Sussex. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
Scientology teaches that we are immortal beings | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
trapped on earth in a human body. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
By undergoing a series of classes, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
followers can train their minds, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
free themselves of their human form | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
and reclaim their true selves. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Critics accused Hubbard of running a money-making cult | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
of brainwashing and worse... | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
Do you ever think that you might be quite mad? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
Oh, yes. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:12 | |
The one man in the world who never believes he's mad is a mad man. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
Scientology caused worries for MPs and the media, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
but those who attacked it could face libel writs. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
The churches' leaders were willing to fight back. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
So, it's just as well that they didn't see this... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
A secret dossier | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
for the Department of Health and Social Security in 1975. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
Well, here we have a report into Scientology. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
"The teachings of Scientology | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
"create family discord and break up marriages. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
"In fact, members are ordered to disconnect from their families. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
"A child of six years of age was declared a 'suppressive' | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
"because she would not disconnect from her mother." | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
The report shows alarm | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
about the church's alleged disciplinary actions. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
"A person who is classified by a Scientologist as an 'enemy' | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
"is 'fair game'. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
"He may be deprived of his property by any means, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
"be tricked, sued or lied to or be destroyed. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
"The Scientologists in Britain are based in East Grinstead. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
"The conditions under which Scientologists live in East Grinstead | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
"are like those in a police state." | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
And in 1977, the department remained unimpressed | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
by Scientology's claim to be a true religion, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
writing in a letter that Scientology | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
was "an organisation that is essentially evil". | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
The hostility went beyond words. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
In 1968, the government banned Scientology members | 0:12:53 | 0:12:58 | |
from entering Britain to train or study. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Hubbard moved his world headquarters to a fleet of ships, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
although the religion continued to operate in East Grinstead. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
Today, Scientology has increased its number of bases around the country, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
like this one in London. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
So, did the government's action work? | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
The travel ban... | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
How effective was it against Scientology? | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
It didn't really have the effect that they were intending it to have. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
And, in some ways, it might actually have had the opposite effect. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
There was a lot of publicity about the ban. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
People were reading about Scientology in the press and thinking, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
what is this, this new science in mental health? | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
It looks as if it's something I might be interested in. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
In some of this, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:47 | |
the British government seems to be wrestling with the issue, | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
is Scientology a cult or a religion? | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
What is the difference? | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
Some people would say | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
the difference between a cult and a religion | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
is about a million members. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
It's just a matter of size. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
Other people would say a cult is a religion I don't like. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
Which I think is a great definition. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:06 | |
Personally, I don't think the word cult is very helpful. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
Even established religions | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
have a lot of good and bad within them. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
And I personally know people in the Church of Scientology | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
who have thoroughly enjoyed being in it, who've gained a lot from it, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
who may have left it now, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
but who still believe in the principles of it. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Despite legal challenges, the travel ban remained in place. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
Then, at the end of the 1970s, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
there was a change of government | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
and, according to secret papers, a reversal of policy. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
Apparently, as the result of a very personal decision | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
by one Margaret Thatcher. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:45 | |
In manuscripts she writes, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:49 | |
"We really cannot keep this ban, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:51 | |
"unless we're ready publically to say why | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
"and to support the conclusion with evidence. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
"The question is not whether we approve Scientology or not, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
"but what possible justification is there for this unique ban." | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
I suspect that Mrs Thatcher saw this | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
as an issue of personal freedom versus state meddling. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
But I'd like to hear the view of ex-civil servant Graham Angel, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
who provided briefings for her and other ministers. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
The fact that the Prime Minister had a clear view, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
was really what determined what happened. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
Why did the Prime Minister have a clear view? Do you know that? | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
She had two constituency people | 0:15:34 | 0:15:39 | |
who were Scientologists. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
And they went to see her and argued that the ban was unfair. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
I think, and you, Michael, will know more about | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Margaret Thatcher's views than me, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
but I think she believed that it wasn't the government's job | 0:15:51 | 0:15:56 | |
to tell people this is a good religion, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
this is a bad religion | 0:15:59 | 0:16:00 | |
and this isn't a proper religion. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
Government should mind its own business. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
What did your paper say in the end? | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
It came out pretty clearly, in the end. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
But the case for maintaining the ban couldn't be sustained. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
We found that the Department of Health, | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
which still wanted to keep the ban in place, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
couldn't find a psychiatrist who would stand up in court | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
and give evidence to the effect that | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
Scientology damaged people's mental health. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
Which really didn't make much of a case. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
The lifting of the ban, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
you were happy that that was the right decision? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Yes, I was. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
I could have made a case to go the other way | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
but, if it was left to me, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
I think the balance of advantage was in favour of lifting the ban. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:54 | |
You civil servants are splendid. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
If required, you could have made an argument the other way! | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
I gave them both sets of arguments and they had to choose. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:02 | |
Nobody voted for me! | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Splendid! | 0:17:06 | 0:17:07 | |
This impressive building, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
the Church of Scientology, in the heart of the City of London, | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
proclaims that the travel ban didn't work. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
Indeed, it may simply have attracted more attention, even support, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
for the Scientologists, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
And standing, as it does, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
just a short walk from the iconic St Paul's Cathedral, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
it proclaims, "You've tried to ban us, but you've failed!" | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
The running of the bulls. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
Colourful, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:49 | |
exciting, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
dangerous. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
This could only happen in Spain. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
Couldn't it? | 0:17:55 | 0:17:56 | |
Actually, no. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
I've found a document that reveals how bullrunning | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
wasn't always confined to the streets of Pamplona. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
It also took place in Britain. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
In Lincolnshire, there was a bullrunning festival | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
for almost 650 years, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
attracting crowds, who chased the animal through the streets, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
before cornering, killing and butchering it. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
The citizens considered it a fun day out. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
But, by the 19th century, it faced disapproval. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
In 1824, a group of reformers, including William Wilberforce, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:38 | |
founded the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
And in 1837, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:43 | |
they targeted the practice in Stanford in Lincolnshire | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
of running bulls through the streets. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
This beautiful document is a report by the secretary of the society, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
a Mr Thomas, who visited the bull run | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
to monitor whether local magistrates | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
were enforcing the law against animal baiting. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
He took two constables along with him as back-up, one called Rogerson. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
But, despite having the law on their side, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
it's fair to say that these out-of-towners | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
were not made welcome. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
The constables are not very warmly received. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
"Upon entering the building, the greatest disorder prevailed. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
"Shouts of, 'Bull! Bull! Yahoo! Yahoo!' shook the building. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
"Threats of the most disgusting nature | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
"were used towards them | 0:19:36 | 0:19:38 | |
"and language most obscene applied to them. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
"One fellow, with a long, pointed stick, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
"approached Rogerson and told him that, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
"'Death stared him in the face'." | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
"The mob consisted of the lowest vagabonds | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
"and others apparently more respectable." | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
On this occasion, the society was not successful | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
in stopping the running of the bulls. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
The secretary, Mr Thomas, says, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
"The triumph of the Bullards here yesterday was very painful to me. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
"Their cruelty to the bull, when he was helpless, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
"was extreme and long-continued." | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
The Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
lost that battle in Stanford, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
but won the war. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:23 | |
Two years later, the last ever bull run took place. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
If you fancy the rough and tumble of the bulls, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
nowadays, there's no point taking a train to Stanford. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
You must take a plane to Spain, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:36 | |
Ole! | 0:20:36 | 0:20:37 | |
The case proved that what we now know as | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
was determined to force animal welfare onto the public agenda. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
To discover more about its history, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
I'm off to one of its modern animal sanctuaries | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
to meet Professor Hilda Kean. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
Where does the movement get going? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
It gets going, and this is important, in London. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
And it's the new city. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
London is a focus for modernity | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
and you've got practices that are seen as a form, | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
and described as a form, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:19 | |
of medieval barbarism. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
Farm animals, particularly on the way to market, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
being beaten | 0:21:26 | 0:21:27 | |
and, more importantly, people seeing it. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
Many rural people didn't share this new view of the world. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
Country and town were on a collision course. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
It's this idea that, what are these Londoners coming up here, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
telling us what to do? | 0:21:45 | 0:21:46 | |
So, it seen as somebody else outside the locality | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
that is creating laws | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
that ban something they've been doing for centuries | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
and, supposedly, nobody locally has been complaining about it. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
And, actually, why should London care what happens in Stanford? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
London should care, and did care, what happened in Stanford | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
because this epitomised both the unruly nature of some of the... | 0:22:06 | 0:22:12 | |
what were seen as the lower orders. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
But also, they were concerned about the fact | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
that a bull was being treated in this way. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
City dwellers telling country folk to ditch their traditions | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
because they consider them unseemly and cruel... | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
To some, this might start to sound familiar. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
It's time to talk to some of those | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
at the centre of a modern rural controversy. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
Here in the kennels of the Essex Hunt, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
these boards record the seasons of hunting | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
going all the way back to 1910-11. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
In that year, they had 118 days of hunting. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
114 foxes were killed. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
A record year seems to be 1912-13. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
118 foxes killed. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
Then again, in 1926-27, just 69. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
Now, if your reaction to all this is to cringe and to feel horror, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
then you may understand the division of opinion | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
around the time of the 1837 Stanford bull run, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
because some people felt | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
that they're engaged in a natural country activity | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
and that they were the innocent victims of metropolitan do-gooders. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:33 | |
Robert Ogden is the Huntsman of the Essex Hounds. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
For him, fox-hunting is simply a way of life. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
Robert, how many hounds are we walking with today? | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
We've got 36 couple here today. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:51 | |
-36 couples. 72. -Yeah. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Yeah, we always count them in couples. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
It's easier when we're out in the hunting field. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
I'm being pushed around quite a lot by the hounds as we're walking. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
Give me some idea of how strong these dogs are. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
Oh, yeah, this dog, for instance, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
Ranger here, he'll weigh up to 70 kilos, he will. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
So, there's some weight to them, behind them. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
And how often do they get to hunt? | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
We hunt from September through to November. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
We hunt three mornings a week. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
And then, after November until February, we do two days a week. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
And then, after February, back to three days a week. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
-That's a lot of hunting. -Yeah. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
In 2002, Robert and nearly half a million others | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
marched through London. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
They wanted the metropolis to sense rural indignation. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
With echoes of 19th century Stanford, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
the supporters of the Countryside Alliance | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
feared laws that trampled on rural customs. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
This time, a ban on hunting with hounds. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:53 | |
The row over the ban exposed deep cultural differences | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
between the shires and urban Britain | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
and sparked a debate about what constitutes | 0:25:01 | 0:25:05 | |
unacceptable behaviour to animals. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
James Barrington, who campaigns on behalf of the Countryside Alliance, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
has a clear view. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
Anything that is gratuitously cruel, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
anything that you can prove to be cruel, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
in other words causing unnecessary suffering to any animal, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
that should be the starting point. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
You're pleased that bullrunning no longer occurs | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
as it did in Stanford in 1838? | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Oh, yes, I certainly am. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:31 | |
I mean, that's clearly a baiting activity, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
and as someone said at the time, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
"Look, hunting with the aim to kill | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
"is very different to baiting with the aim to torture." | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
And so baiting is not hunting. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
And that is something which I know | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
anti-hunt people like to try and confuse, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
but they're two very different activities. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
Do you think there's an argument that, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
if something is so deeply in your culture, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:53 | |
even if it does involve a cruelty to an animal, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
you can respect it as part of a human or a national culture? | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
Well, I think that is an interesting point, | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
because there are certain activities, like falconry, in this country | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
that has been accepted as a natural part of our culture | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
and is protected that way. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
Now, you spend some of your time lobbying politicians | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
and officials about laws. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:17 | |
Do you think we've got laws on animal welfare about right today? | 0:26:17 | 0:26:22 | |
As far as wild animals are concerned, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:23 | |
no, I don't think we have the law right. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
I don't think the Hunting Act has done good for any animal at all | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
and here we are ten years after that particular law | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
and it's still as hot an issue as it ever was. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
Back at the kennels, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:40 | |
the hounds have been washed | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
and are ready for feeding. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
It's a diet well-suited to their hunting instincts... | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
Raw meat. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
Can you be sure they all get their fair share? | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
I think it's time to leave the pack to its breakfast | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
and watch from a safe distance. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
This macabre sight of a few dozen hounds tearing up raw meat | 0:27:06 | 0:27:11 | |
is quite a culture shock for a townie like me. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
And that's really been at the heart of the issue. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
A clash between people from the cities | 0:27:18 | 0:27:20 | |
and those who uphold the traditions of the countryside. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:24 | |
Silence reigns. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
Come on, get over! | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
Today, I've seen some really saucy lithographs by John Lennon. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:50 | |
But the people who tried to ban them might be dismayed | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
that today there's a torrent of pornography | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
readily available on the internet. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
It's difficult to make bans work, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
as ministers discovered | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
when they tried to exclude Scientologists from Britain. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
As for the ban on fox-hunting, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
it's made little visible difference to country culture and tradition. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:14 |