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Queen Victoria, the great matriarch, reigned over a quarter of the world.

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To her subjects, she was revered as Queen.

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To her family, she was often feared as a domestic tyrant.

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Queen Victoria's desire to control her children, I think,

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was pathological.

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She ruled the roost domestically and she was just jolly well determined

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that her children were going to behave like subjects.

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As they grew into manhood,

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her sons could break free from Victoria's clutches,

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but the daughters were always kept on a far tighter rein

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by their demanding mother.

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Everything with Victoria was about me -

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my needs, my need for love, my need for care, my need for company.

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It was never, ever really a case of, "What can I do for them?"

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In danger of being suffocated, the daughters hit back.

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Louise is not prepared just to do what her mother says,

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but always comes out fighting.

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In a great untold family saga,

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the headstrong princesses fought to escape their mother.

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They shocked the Queen by forging their own independent lives,

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and there was more.

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A marriage to an alleged homosexual, a career risking disease and death.

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A scandal with a renowned artist, a passion for revolutionary ideas.

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And, in daring to tear up the Queen's rule book,

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they became unlikely champions of the independence of women.

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Her daughters, they really wanted to see the position of women changing,

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and they were all slowly and gradually

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working in their own societies

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to try and bring about a change in women's lives.

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But Queen Victoria was not going to let her daughters go

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without a fight.

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Osborne House, Queen Victoria's holiday home on the Isle of Wight

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where she and her husband Prince Albert came to find peace

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and seclusion from the world.

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Here, the Royal children could roam freely.

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Little did they know

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they were at the heart of Victoria and Albert's master plan -

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to mould the perfect Royal dynasty, role models for the nation

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and marriage partners for European royalty.

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Victoria and Albert had quite well-worked ideas

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about what the future of their children should be,

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even down to selecting who else among the royal houses of Europe

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might be suitable for marriage partners.

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The five Royal princesses were not meant to have independent lives.

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Their destinies were to be controlled by the Queen.

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She let them know at all times

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that she wasn't just their mother, she was their Queen,

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and they had no chance to disobey her, they weren't allowed to by law.

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Victoria was to find that she couldn't always have it her own way.

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In a drama of conflict and determination,

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as the daughters grew up,

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they were to challenge their set roles as princesses and women.

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Clever Vicky, the Princess Royal,

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would outrage the Queen with her radical ideas.

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Alice, devoted as a child, so disobeyed her mother

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that Victoria once called her the real devil in the family.

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Beautiful Louise was to shock with her rebellious spirit

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and controversial causes.

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And loyal Beatrice, who lived chained to her mother's side,

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would bid for freedom through marriage to the love of her life.

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But in the 1850s

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the young princesses were living in an idyllic regal bubble.

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Privilege was their life.

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Louise, for example, grew up, as a toddler,

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she would put her hand out if she met anyone in the corridor.

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Little tiny, chubby little legs, wandering around,

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saw somebody, out would go her hand.

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They were expected to kiss it, which indeed they did.

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They were taught never to forget their position as princesses.

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Their governess told them...

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"Go, my dear, put yourself in the best place, before everybody."

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In 1861, the settled world of the princesses came crashing down.

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Their father, Prince Albert, died at the young age of 42.

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The daughters didn't just have to deal with their own bereavement,

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but also the overwhelming grief of their needy mother.

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A governess predicted catastrophe...

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"The worst, far the worst, is yet to come."

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And no-one bore the brunt of their mother's grief

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more than the four-year-old Beatrice.

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Victoria clung to Beatrice,

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absolutely clung to her almost from the moment Albert died.

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In fact, one of the first things she did when Albert died

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was rush out to the nursery and grasp the sleeping child to her bosom

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and took Beatrice into her bed with her.

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"Sweet little Beatrice comes to lie in my bed every morning,

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"which is a great comfort.

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"I so long to cling to and clasp a living being."

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Beatrice became a sort of mourning toy for Victoria.

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She cuddled Beatrice to her and the image that always comes up

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is of her sort of almost like sucking the life out of her,

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it's almost vampiric.

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Trying to extract something from her

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that really no four-year-old child can possibly give.

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Looking back on this,

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we could say that the way Victoria behaves towards Beatrice

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almost amounts to a sort of child abuse.

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Er, it has a very profound effect on Beatrice's psyche, on her outlook,

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on her whole personality and it's hard not to see that as cruel.

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Beatrice was not alone.

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Albert's death seemed to intensify Victoria's darker side.

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All of the princesses were to be dominated

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by their self-obsessed, controlling mother.

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She really just felt that all she'd ever wanted was her and Albert

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and she really makes the children feel dreadful about it.

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I mean, she seemed to have blamed the children very much.

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She would, I think, much rather have lost her children than her husband.

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Where once the Royal homes, Windsor and Osborne,

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were places for fun and play, they were now mausoleums of grief.

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The oldest princess, Vicky, remarked...

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"Everything is so different, the old life, the old customs have gone."

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Victoria seemed more interested in her past than the children's future.

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She had her late husband's clothes laid out daily in his dressing room,

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hot water for his shaving was delivered each morning.

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She preserved his apartments exactly as they had always been.

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There are ways in which Albert's death is never quite acknowledged.

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There's something about the coming of the next generation

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that she finds very difficult

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because, I suppose, there's a sense in which

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Albert's death and Albert himself are receding back into history,

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and she's doing absolutely everything she can to stop that from happening.

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At the time of Albert's death,

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Victoria's five daughters ranged from 4 to 21 years old.

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The princesses had a problem -

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how to cope with their unmanageable mother.

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Vicky had found independence by marrying a German prince

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and moving to Berlin.

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It fell to the 18-year-old Princess Alice

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to take on the burden of the grieving Queen.

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In a sense, Alice almost took the place of Albert after he died.

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She comforted Victoria, you know, she tried to be a stable presence,

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a rock that Albert had been, she didn't cry in her mother's presence,

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she held back her tears, she'd cry only alone in her room.

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She really threw herself wholeheartedly

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into making Victoria's life bearable.

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Alice didn't only give emotional support to her widowed mother,

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she also took charge of the Queen's official business.

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Alice, effectively,

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was the only person having close access to the Queen,

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the whole world was shut out.

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There were very few people allowed to have any contact with her

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in those first few months,

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so Alice would be the one

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to steer essential papers in her direction that needed signing.

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It was very difficult for the business of government

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after Albert died.

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And Alice really was effectively the only intermediary.

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The demanding role took its toll on the young princess.

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Apparently, physically it was hard on her

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because a nice podgy girl turns into an anorexic wreck

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and her fiance was totally flabbergasted when he saw her again.

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Albert's plan had been to draw Germany and Britain together

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through royal inter-marriage. Before he died,

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he had arranged Alice's engagement to a German prince, Louis of Hesse.

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Victoria was in a quandary.

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She could not bear to lose her daughter,

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but her late husband's wishes had to be respected.

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Six months after his death, the marriage went ahead.

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But there was to be no grand wedding,

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just a small service in the Yellow Drawing Room at Osborne House.

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For the grieving Queen,

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her daughter's joy was no cause for celebration.

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"Poor Alice's wedding - more like a funeral than a wedding -

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"is over and she is a wife!

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"I say God bless her,

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"though a dagger is plunged in my bleeding, desolate heart

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"when I hear from her this morning

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"that she is proud and happy to be Louis' wife!"

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It's not, "I'm so happy for you, you have a husband who loves you."

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It's, "I'm so sorry for me because I haven't got anyone any more."

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And she was like that with all her children.

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And Alice was allowed out of deep mourning for about a day

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to wear white and went away with an entire trousseau of black.

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It was very grim.

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By marrying, Alice escaped her mother's suffocating grief.

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Her new life was to be a minor royal in provincial Germany.

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She was following in the footsteps of her elder sister Vicky.

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Three years before, the Princess Royal had been married off

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to a much grander prince, Frederick of Prussia,

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and she had been enduring life in the stiff Prussian court ever since.

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Being a princess in the 19th century sounds absolutely miserable.

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Vicky, particularly, er, off in Prussia, and very, very isolated,

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very, very suspicious of some of the people around her,

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living a fairly kind of unfulfilled existence.

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To be propelled off into the world like that

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and to be planted in an alien environment,

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I think, must have been pretty unsettling.

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Seeking solace from her family at home,

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Vicky regularly wrote to her mother,

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but the letters she received back were not always ones of comfort.

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On hearing that Vicky was newly pregnant, the Queen wrote to her.

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"The horrid news has upset us dreadfully."

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The princess valiantly replied...

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"You know I love little children so much

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"and I own one must feel rather proud

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"to think one has given life to an immortal soul."

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"Very fine, dear, but I own I cannot enter into that.

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"I think much more of us being like a cow or dog at such moments,

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"when our poor nature becomes so very animal and unecstatic."

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Vicky may have been 700 miles from Windsor,

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but that was no escape from her indomitable mother.

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The pair exchanged 8,000 letters

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in what would be a life-long correspondence

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that showed both mutual love,

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and the Queen's obsessive and demanding manner.

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With Vicky, she has the possibility of being her true self

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and she is remarkably unguarded.

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Victoria is one of the great letter writers of the 19th century,

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she pours out what's on her mind, which is often a stream of anxieties.

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"Your answers yesterday by telegram are not quite satisfactory

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"and you don't say whether your cold is better or not.

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"Were you feverishly unwell with it or not?

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"I get terribly fidgeted at not knowing what is really the matter."

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"I really hope you are not getting fat again.

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"Do avoid eating soft, pappy things or drinking much -

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"you know how that fattens."

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They would fire these things off to each other all the time,

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and the ones that are coming from Victoria are trying to exert,

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from hundreds of miles away, the kind of control that she tried

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to exert over her children, you know, when they were small.

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And so there were these directives,

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telling Vicky about how to micromanage her life.

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"I wish you for the future to adopt the plan of beginning your letters

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"with the following sort of headings - yesterday, or day before,

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"we did so and so, dined here or there

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"and then where you spent the evening."

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She ruled the roost domestically, and that, I think,

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was the key thing, she was just jolly well determined

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that her children were going to behave like subjects.

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Queen Victoria's...desire to control her children, I think,

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was...pathological

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and I think was that of a domestic dictator.

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The Queen wasn't just a domestic tyrant,

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she could seem shockingly unsympathetic.

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When a pregnant Vicky fell down the stairs

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and badly sprained her ankle, her mother wrote...

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"I fear you exaggerate as you so often used to do.

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"Others who do not know your disposition

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"think you are really ill, which you are not."

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Vicky seemed to be cowed by her mother

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and often begged for forgiveness.

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"Don't be angry, dear Mama.

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"It is very painful to think I have annoyed you or displeased you."

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The courtier Baron Stockmar was horrified by the correspondence.

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BARON STOCKMAR: "Her mother is behaving abominably to her.

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"The Queen wishes to exercise the same authority and control

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"over her that she did before her marriage

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"and she writes constant letters full of anger and reproaches."

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One issue above all brought Victoria into fierce conflict

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with both Vicky and Alice in Germany.

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Breastfeeding.

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The Queen detested babies. She called them froglike.

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Victoria absolutely refused to breastfeed her children,

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which is kind of surprising

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because it was becoming very, very acceptable for women,

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even fashionable for women to breastfeed their babies,

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upper-class women were doing it as well.

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The Queen commanded her daughters not to breastfeed their own babies.

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But Vicky and Alice would later disobey their mother,

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asserting a woman's right to breastfeed, whatever her status.

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Victoria was disgusted and outraged at her daughters' disobedience...

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"It does make my hair stand on end

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"to think that my two daughters should turn into cows."

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The Queen took her revenge on her daughter,

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naming a cow in one of her dairies Princess Alice.

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For years after Albert's death,

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Victoria's remaining unmarried daughters -

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Helena, Louise and Beatrice -

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were prisoners in the vaults of grief that were the Royal palaces.

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No-one found life more claustrophobic

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than the second youngest daughter, Princess Louise.

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She constantly chafed against her mother's unyielding grip.

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Louise was a bit of a rebel

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and her mother described her as rather backward

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and rather difficult,

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ie, she was a bit more trouble.

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She was a teenager - just - when her father died,

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just at the age when she thought her world, her horizons would widen,

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and they narrowed considerably.

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And she was watched and protected all the time and it was stifling.

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Victoria would unleash her power at random.

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Louise once arranged to have tea with a friend at court

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only to be forced to cancel when, on a whim,

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the Queen stopped her from going.

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Louise's note of apology to the courtier

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seemed to be a thinly disguised attack on her mother.

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"The Queen seems not to wish me to leave her,

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"therefore I have to ask to be excused,

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"but not without me expressing my great disappointment

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"at not being able to come."

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Victoria very jealously guarded her children's affections.

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She really disliked it when they formed close companionships

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with each other, let alone with people outside the family.

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She seemed to believe

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that she had to be the kind of flame around which they all revolved.

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"Never make friendships.

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"Girl friendships and intimacies are very bad

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"and often lead to great mischief."

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Victoria not only prevented Louise from having friendships,

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she also forbade the entertainments

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that were usually part of a princess's upbringing.

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When she was 17, she should have had her coming out dance

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as every other girl of her age was having.

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And the Queen refused.

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She said that she had not opened the ballroom at Buckingham Palace

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since Albert had been alive

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and she wasn't going to do it for any dance for Louise.

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Queen Victoria's efforts to limit her daughters' social lives

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may have had its roots in her own isolated and loveless childhood.

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She recalled her loneliness.

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"I was not on comfortable

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"or at all intimate or confidential footing with my mother."

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It comes from being this very cloistered only child

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and I think she was very hungry for proper human love and attention.

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And as soon as they knew she was heir to the throne,

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she was made to feel the centre of attention,

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she was the most important person

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because she was going to be Queen of England.

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As a mother herself,

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Victoria found it difficult to show her children affection,

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even when they were very young.

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"Only very exceptionally do I find

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"the rather intimate intercourse with them either agreeable or easy."

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She had very ambivalent feelings about all her daughters,

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and she's one of those people with a very small heart, Queen Victoria,

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so if she's liking, say, two or three of the children at once,

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it means that the other six are out of it and she detests them.

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Victoria's disapproval

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could demolish her daughters' self-confidence.

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As a girl, Louise had once said...

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"I am so stupid and useless."

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The Queen seemed to judge her children by their looks,

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always prizing beauty.

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"You are wrong in thinking that I am not fond of children.

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"I am. I admire pretty ones immensely."

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Victoria was particularly unimpressed with Helena,

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the middle child nicknamed Lenchen, whom she criticised

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for being the least good-looking of the five princesses.

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"Dear poor Lenchen has great difficulties with her figure.

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"Her features are so very large and long

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"that it quite spoils her looks."

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Helena was the plainest of the Queen's children

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and she also wrestled with her weight.

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This is not unusual in Victoria's family.

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Victoria herself frequently weighed almost 12 stone,

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despite being only 4 feet 11.

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But it was Helena who was blamed for not getting a grip on her weight.

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By contrast, the pretty Louise had gained the confidence

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to stand up to her over-bearing mother.

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Desperate to break away,

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Victoria's daughter had an artistic bent which she followed.

0:23:150:23:19

She took up sculpture

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and had her own studio to which she could escape.

0:23:200:23:23

The Queen tried to stop her,

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believing the art form was not ladylike,

0:23:260:23:29

calling it "unnatural" for a girl, and especially a princess.

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But that didn't stop Louise.

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Once Princess Louise set her mind to something, she was a powerhouse,

0:23:370:23:41

she wasn't going to stop, that was her purpose,

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and, as with all things with Louise,

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one track, "I have to get this to happen."

0:23:470:23:49

In choosing sculpture, Louise was probably pushing the boundaries,

0:23:490:23:53

trying to see what her mother would take and what she wouldn't.

0:23:530:23:56

As strong willed as her mother, Louise's determination paid off.

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Victoria gave in

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and let her be the first princess to attend a public school.

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In 1868, Louise went to the National Art Training School,

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joining the pioneering generation of women who were learning sculpture.

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But the Queen was horrified by what her daughter would be exposed to.

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One of the real worries about women enrolling in art class

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was this problem of what they would do in the life class.

0:24:350:24:37

The life class is where you draw or look or sculpt from a nude model.

0:24:370:24:42

It would be much better if she stuck to painting.

0:24:420:24:44

You paint the spaniels, you paint the ladies in waiting,

0:24:440:24:47

but it doesn't require you, as it were,

0:24:470:24:49

to get to grips with the human form.

0:24:490:24:51

Victoria would not stand for such unladylike activity.

0:24:530:24:57

She limited Louise's attendance at the school

0:24:570:24:59

by demanding that she stay at home

0:24:590:25:01

to help with the Queen's large private correspondence.

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The other students were astonished at how hard a princess worked.

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They couldn't believe that she was constantly having to miss lessons

0:25:110:25:14

because she was working.

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They'd all assumed she'd be some spoilt brat

0:25:160:25:18

and there she was working harder than any other woman - and men -

0:25:180:25:22

of their acquaintance.

0:25:220:25:23

Not one to be stopped, Louise persevered

0:25:260:25:29

and went on to become the first female sculptor

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to have a statue erected in a public place.

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The statue, appropriately enough of her mother,

0:25:390:25:41

still stands outside Kensington Palace, in London.

0:25:410:25:45

I think that Louise was pushing the boundaries

0:25:460:25:49

of the behaviour of women in the mid-19th century

0:25:490:25:53

and also in the moulding, if you like,

0:25:530:25:57

of what we consider the monarchy today.

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Louise's 25-year-old sister Vicky, living in Germany,

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was less fulfilled.

0:26:110:26:12

Able and clever, she had been groomed by Albert

0:26:150:26:18

to be a force for change in hidebound Prussia,

0:26:180:26:21

but the reality was that she didn't have the influence she had expected.

0:26:210:26:26

Without a role, Vicky set herself up as a matchmaker for her siblings.

0:26:260:26:31

Vicky threw herself into this,

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partly, one suspects, because it gave her something to do,

0:26:350:26:38

it gave her a sense of empowerment

0:26:380:26:40

in an environment where she so often felt disempowered.

0:26:400:26:43

The Princess set her sights on her sister Helena.

0:26:470:26:51

Aged 19, this unremarkable young woman was ready to be married off

0:26:510:26:56

to an appropriate suitor.

0:26:560:26:57

Vicky found a match

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that surprisingly delighted the demanding Queen -

0:27:030:27:07

her German friend Prince Christian.

0:27:070:27:10

He was 15 years older than Helena,

0:27:120:27:15

but appeared considerably older than that.

0:27:150:27:18

He is of moderate height, er, stooping, bald-headed.

0:27:180:27:24

Later on, things go from bad to worse.

0:27:240:27:26

In 1891, Helena's brother Arthur shoots Prince Christian in the eye,

0:27:260:27:30

a shooting accident.

0:27:300:27:32

Christian rather takes this on the chin

0:27:320:27:35

and indeed embraces it as an opportunity for fun

0:27:350:27:37

and acquires an enormous collection of glass eyes

0:27:370:27:40

which, at dull moments during banquets or dinner parties,

0:27:400:27:43

he would summon a footman to bring to the table

0:27:430:27:46

for the edification of fellow guests.

0:27:460:27:48

He might have been penniless and homeless,

0:27:510:27:54

but Victoria was thrilled with her un-prepossessing new son-in-law.

0:27:540:27:59

For her, there was an advantage to his poverty.

0:27:590:28:03

The Queen knew that, by marrying Helena,

0:28:030:28:06

Prince Christian would have to settle in Britain

0:28:060:28:09

and live at Windsor with her.

0:28:090:28:11

She won't allow them to marry anybody who will take them away,

0:28:130:28:17

so she has to find these rather sort of tame, neutered -

0:28:170:28:21

well, not physically -

0:28:210:28:22

politically neutered princes who will agree -

0:28:220:28:25

have no money by princely standards -

0:28:250:28:28

and will agree to come and live in Victoria's court,

0:28:280:28:31

because she doesn't want to lose her daughters. So she clings possessively.

0:28:310:28:34

"It makes me shudder..."

0:28:370:28:39

..the Queen had told Vicky when she left home...

0:28:390:28:42

"..when I look round at all your sweet, happy, unconscious sisters,

0:28:420:28:46

"and think I must give them up too one by one."

0:28:460:28:50

Helena and Prince Christian

0:28:530:28:55

remained tied to Windsor for the rest of their lives.

0:28:550:28:58

Poor old Christian, who ended up

0:29:010:29:03

in this rather absurd role living on the estate at Windsor,

0:29:030:29:07

managing Frogmore, managing the park,

0:29:070:29:10

and it was his job to do things like

0:29:100:29:12

make sure there weren't too many frogs hopping around at Frogmore.

0:29:120:29:16

His plan to solve this problem was to import ducks into the estate.

0:29:160:29:21

The ducks ate the frogspawn, the numbers of frogs were reduced.

0:29:210:29:24

But this was the kind of thing he had to deal with, you know,

0:29:240:29:27

he wasn't kind of managing the reunification of Germany,

0:29:270:29:30

he was worrying about vermin on the estate at Windsor.

0:29:300:29:33

The marriage may have pleased the Queen, but it angered Princess Alice,

0:29:410:29:45

who saw it for what it was - a cynical ploy to keep Helena at home.

0:29:450:29:49

To Victoria's fury, Alice openly objected to the match.

0:29:520:29:56

The Queen was to call her...

0:29:560:29:59

"A mischief-maker and untruth teller,

0:29:590:30:02

"the real devil in the family."

0:30:020:30:04

This was the beginning of a rift between Alice and her mother

0:30:070:30:10

that would never heal.

0:30:100:30:13

Victoria didn't support her daughter

0:30:130:30:15

when, a year later, she was in trouble.

0:30:150:30:17

Alice was marooned with her young family

0:30:260:30:28

in the war-torn German state of Hesse-Darmstadt where they lived.

0:30:280:30:32

In the decade after she married, they suffered through two wars

0:30:340:30:37

in which Prussian forces tore Europe apart.

0:30:370:30:40

Alice wrote to her mother...

0:30:430:30:45

"How I pray some end may soon come to this horrid bloodshed!

0:30:460:30:51

"Ah! The misery around us you can't imagine."

0:30:520:30:56

But in England,

0:31:020:31:03

Victoria, still seething from her earlier row with Alice,

0:31:030:31:07

sent a flurry of vitriolic letters criticising her daughter.

0:31:070:31:11

"She has become so sharp and bitter,

0:31:120:31:15

"and no-one wishes to have her in their house."

0:31:150:31:18

In her exasperation, Victoria became careless.

0:31:190:31:23

She wrote a letter to Vicky

0:31:240:31:25

telling Vicky everything she thought wrong about Alice

0:31:250:31:28

but, unfortunately, she put the letter for Vicky

0:31:280:31:31

in an envelope addressed to Alice and vice versa.

0:31:310:31:34

So Alice got the letter saying to Vicky

0:31:340:31:38

all the dreadful things she'd done.

0:31:380:31:40

And when Victoria hears this, she's a bit vexed,

0:31:400:31:43

but her comment is to say, well, it's actually jolly good for Alice

0:31:430:31:47

to know what her mother thinks about her.

0:31:470:31:50

The Queen was unrepentant.

0:31:530:31:55

"First of all to say how greatly annoyed and vexed I am

0:31:560:31:59

"at the mistake about the letter,

0:31:590:32:01

"which is shocking and, to me, unaccountable.

0:32:010:32:04

"But I think, as it is, no harm is done, but good will come out of it."

0:32:050:32:10

That's one of the wonderful things about Victoria,

0:32:130:32:16

she never dissembles, she always just says what she thinks

0:32:160:32:19

and I think that's rather splendid

0:32:190:32:21

because so much of courtly etiquette is about keeping your mouth shut

0:32:210:32:24

and being sort of discreet and quiet, not at all Victoria.

0:32:240:32:28

Alice continued to defy the Queen.

0:32:320:32:35

She found liberation in nursing and medicine,

0:32:350:32:38

which she knew would shock her mother.

0:32:380:32:40

Surrounded by injured soldiers in her war-torn German state,

0:32:420:32:46

she asked Victoria to send help from England.

0:32:460:32:49

ALICE: "Illness and wounds will be dreadful in this heat.

0:32:560:32:59

"Coarse linen and rags are the things of which one can't have enough,

0:32:590:33:03

"and I am working, collecting shirts, sheets,

0:33:030:33:07

"and now I come to ask if you could send me some old linen for rags."

0:33:070:33:11

Alice doesn't want to just be one of these show nurses

0:33:140:33:18

who just put on an apron and don't do anything,

0:33:180:33:20

she really wants to be hands-on.

0:33:200:33:22

This kind of nursing was dangerous.

0:33:240:33:27

The soldiers were suffering

0:33:270:33:29

from contagious diseases such as smallpox.

0:33:290:33:32

Undaunted by the risks,

0:33:320:33:34

Alice was driven to finding a practical role for herself

0:33:340:33:37

in the world of medicine, saying,

0:33:370:33:40

"Life was made for work and not pleasure."

0:33:400:33:43

Alice's nursing upset the Queen.

0:33:460:33:49

Though she had praised nurses in the past,

0:33:490:33:51

Victoria was appalled that a princess of the Royal blood

0:33:510:33:55

should work so closely with the human body

0:33:550:33:58

and should be so fascinated by its workings.

0:33:580:34:00

She objected to Alice being interested in obstetrics,

0:34:020:34:06

in gynaecology, and particularly in Alice quizzing

0:34:060:34:10

her married sisters and sisters-in-law

0:34:100:34:13

on such matters as what their childbirth had been like,

0:34:130:34:17

what their pregnancies had been like.

0:34:170:34:19

When Louise is going to visit Alice,

0:34:190:34:22

Queen Victoria writes to Louise, "Don't be pumped by Alice.

0:34:220:34:27

"Be cautious and silent about your interior."

0:34:270:34:31

And what Victoria meant by that was

0:34:320:34:34

don't talk about anything to do with sex or anatomy

0:34:340:34:39

because this is not a subject

0:34:390:34:42

that you should be allowing Alice to be involved in.

0:34:420:34:45

In the face of her mother's disapproval,

0:34:480:34:50

Alice stubbornly persisted in her work.

0:34:500:34:53

Advised by Florence Nightingale,

0:34:540:34:56

the Princess established organisations

0:34:560:34:59

which revolutionised nursing in Germany.

0:34:590:35:01

In 1871, she set up beds for the wounded in palace gardens.

0:35:030:35:10

Alice's actions suggest a way forward for monarchy.

0:35:100:35:14

It is, if you like, a precursor to the welfare monarchy we enjoy today,

0:35:140:35:19

that this is hands-on philanthropy

0:35:190:35:22

and it's moving away from a white-glove detachment.

0:35:220:35:25

The Queen would get her own back on her defiant daughter.

0:35:310:35:35

Impoverished by the wars,

0:35:350:35:37

Alice wrote regularly to Victoria

0:35:370:35:39

begging for money to fund her Royal lifestyle,

0:35:390:35:43

but most requests were simply ignored.

0:35:430:35:46

When Alice returned home for a visit, a courtier described how...

0:35:460:35:51

"Princess Alice at Osborne

0:35:510:35:52

"had talked very loudly at dinner about a horse she wanted,

0:35:520:35:56

"quiet enough for herself and strong enough for Louis.

0:35:560:35:59

"But the Queen changed the discourse pretty smartly

0:35:590:36:02

"to the beef and cutlets."

0:36:020:36:03

Conflict between the Queen and her second daughter

0:36:060:36:10

had pushed them into near estrangement.

0:36:100:36:14

But another princess was also causing trouble.

0:36:140:36:18

Unmarried sculptress Louise was rebellious

0:36:180:36:20

and her looks and charm were wreaking havoc.

0:36:200:36:24

She had lovely wide-apart blue eyes, this fair hair, curly,

0:36:260:36:31

she liked to wear blue ribbons in it.

0:36:310:36:33

She had the best figure of all Queen Victoria's daughters,

0:36:330:36:37

slender, she was very fit,

0:36:370:36:40

she was actually a very well-rounded, delightful person.

0:36:400:36:44

I think that people enjoyed sitting next to her,

0:36:440:36:47

she wasn't at all stuffy.

0:36:470:36:49

One artist said of Louise...

0:36:530:36:56

"If I were a young man,

0:36:560:36:58

"I should not rest until that lovely girl had promised to marry me."

0:36:580:37:02

But for Victoria, having a beautiful daughter had its problems.

0:37:030:37:08

In 1869, when Princess Louise was 21,

0:37:080:37:13

the dashing sculptor Sir Edgar Boehm was invited to stay at Balmoral.

0:37:130:37:18

He was to teach the Princess while sculpting a bust

0:37:190:37:22

of Victoria's Highland servant and confidant John Brown.

0:37:220:37:26

Joseph Edgar Boehm was extremely charismatic and good-looking

0:37:280:37:31

and right from the beginning there was a wonderful rapport

0:37:310:37:35

between him and Louise.

0:37:350:37:37

Queen Victoria had asked John Brown to keep an eye on Louise and Boehm,

0:37:370:37:41

and Louise found him incredibly intrusive.

0:37:410:37:44

All of the Royal children did, they felt he was a spy for their mother.

0:37:440:37:48

Brown reported to Victoria on the flirtatious couple.

0:37:520:37:56

He and the Queen were then said to have burst in on the pair

0:37:570:38:00

as they enjoyed an intimate moment.

0:38:000:38:02

Louise realised that Brown had been spying.

0:38:040:38:06

Louise says, "John Brown, this is your doing,"

0:38:080:38:11

shakes him by the shoulders and says, "Either you go, or I go."

0:38:110:38:15

And after this stormy event, the only solution

0:38:150:38:18

is that somebody must quickly find a husband for Louise.

0:38:180:38:22

While the Princess was not going to be pushed

0:38:220:38:25

into an arranged marriage to a chinless German royal,

0:38:250:38:28

the Queen had precise ideas for her dynasty.

0:38:280:38:31

A husband should above all be royal and come from the right stock.

0:38:310:38:36

The way Queen Victoria described the marriage partners reminds us

0:38:360:38:40

of genetic engineering or something.

0:38:400:38:43

I mean, she was really precise. At one point, she said she wants

0:38:430:38:46

some dark-haired males, she wants some dark blood in there.

0:38:460:38:50

They do talk about marriage partners

0:38:500:38:53

like horse breeding or dog breeding.

0:38:530:38:55

With a desperate shortage of acceptable princes for Louise,

0:39:000:39:03

the whole family became involved,

0:39:030:39:05

each favouring a different candidate.

0:39:050:39:07

"I recommend you to take my advice and not forget Albert of Prussia..."

0:39:090:39:12

"I know the violence of your feelings against him

0:39:120:39:15

"but I have not refrained from again repeating in the interest..."

0:39:150:39:19

"Lord Camperdown is poor but he will be rich at his mother's death.

0:39:190:39:22

"She is the daughter..."

0:39:220:39:24

"A remarkably nice young man with such good manners and good-looking."

0:39:240:39:28

Louise despaired.

0:39:290:39:30

"Everyone is speaking, either for or against this

0:39:320:39:36

"and it is most uncommonly unpleasant,

0:39:360:39:39

"and I am to decide without a proper chance of knowing anyone."

0:39:390:39:44

Louise was a modern woman.

0:39:460:39:47

She did not want to marry anyone of their choice.

0:39:470:39:50

She did not want to marry a foreign prince,

0:39:500:39:53

she was particularly put off Prussian men,

0:39:530:39:56

she allegedly said they smelt bad and had an appalling sense of humour.

0:39:560:40:00

The Queen herself had to admit there were no suitable princes.

0:40:040:40:07

"Times have much changed. Great foreign alliances are looked on

0:40:080:40:12

"as causes of trouble and anxiety, and are no good."

0:40:120:40:16

With much of Europe at war, she was forced to give up

0:40:180:40:21

the plan of marrying all her children to European royalty.

0:40:210:40:26

Victoria reluctantly turned to a reference book

0:40:260:40:28

that listed not royals, but aristocrats -

0:40:280:40:32

Burke's guide to the peerage.

0:40:320:40:33

For once, Louise and Queen Victoria were of like minds,

0:40:350:40:39

that Louise would marry someone British, home born.

0:40:390:40:44

Now, this was completely revolutionary.

0:40:440:40:46

Eventually, Louise accepted the proposal of an approved candidate -

0:40:500:40:55

John, Marquess of Lorne, the heir to the Dukedom of Argyll.

0:40:550:40:59

He was a romantic-looking figure.

0:41:020:41:04

He had this lovely, thick, luxuriant fair, fair hair,

0:41:040:41:10

he had Campbell piercing blue eyes and was considered cultured.

0:41:100:41:16

He was politically astute, he had travelled, he had gone to America,

0:41:160:41:22

he wrote articles, he dabbled in writing poetry.

0:41:220:41:28

In 1871, Louise and her British aristocrat were married.

0:41:320:41:37

It was the first time in centuries

0:41:400:41:42

that a princess had been allowed to marry outside royalty.

0:41:420:41:45

The public were thrilled,

0:41:480:41:49

they were really fed up with all this foreign royalty

0:41:490:41:53

stealing their Royal princes and princesses, and they were so pleased.

0:41:530:41:58

It was the best PR move that Louise could have done.

0:41:580:42:01

The public at large might have been pleased,

0:42:060:42:08

but the marriage was an unhappy one.

0:42:080:42:11

Rumours about Lorne may offer an explanation.

0:42:110:42:14

When you try to research the Marquess of Lorne here,

0:42:150:42:18

you come up against a lot of allegedlys, possiblys, maybes,

0:42:180:42:22

about the fact that he was gay.

0:42:220:42:24

There's a great deal of shrouding it all in mystery.

0:42:240:42:27

There's an interesting story that Princess Louise,

0:42:270:42:30

when she and her husband were living in Kensington Palace,

0:42:300:42:33

had the French windows in their apartments bricked up

0:42:330:42:37

so that she could stop her husband getting out at night

0:42:370:42:39

and cruising soldiers in the park.

0:42:390:42:41

The Queen, in a rare show of sympathy,

0:42:440:42:47

came to appreciate how unhappy the marriage was.

0:42:470:42:50

She was very much on her daughter's side,

0:42:500:42:54

and she was never normally on her daughters' side.

0:42:540:42:56

So perhaps she had finally been made aware

0:42:560:42:59

of the true nature of Lorne's sexuality.

0:42:590:43:01

Scandal would not die down.

0:43:060:43:08

Much to Victoria's horror, years later, other rumours surfaced,

0:43:080:43:13

this time over Louise

0:43:130:43:15

and her relationship with her former teacher, Sir Edgar Boehm.

0:43:150:43:18

She was visiting him one day in his studio and he collapsed and died.

0:43:210:43:25

The gossips all said

0:43:250:43:27

that he died in her arms, in flagrante,

0:43:270:43:32

but it could be that he just died.

0:43:320:43:34

The Princess could not deny

0:43:370:43:39

that she was at the studio at the time of the sculptor's death.

0:43:390:43:43

She claimed that she had been chaperoned by a lady-in-waiting.

0:43:430:43:46

Louise described how, during the visit...

0:43:480:43:51

"Sir Edgar carried a bust to show me.

0:43:510:43:54

"When I entreated him not to,

0:43:540:43:56

"he also pushed some heavy things and must have overexerted himself."

0:43:560:44:00

The Queen was terrified of any damage to the Royal reputation.

0:44:040:44:07

When scandal threatened, she always publicly supported her family.

0:44:070:44:11

But in private

0:44:130:44:14

Victoria continued to fight her never-ending battle for control.

0:44:140:44:18

By 1872, Beatrice -

0:44:240:44:27

the baby Victoria had clung to for comfort when Albert died -

0:44:270:44:30

was her only unmarried daughter.

0:44:300:44:34

The Queen was determined it should stay that way.

0:44:340:44:37

"She is my constant companion

0:44:390:44:40

"and I hope and trust will never leave me while I live."

0:44:400:44:44

Her youngest daughter,

0:44:460:44:47

always known as Baby, er...

0:44:470:44:52

occupied a central position in Victoria's emotional life.

0:44:520:44:56

The consequence for poor Beatrice

0:44:560:45:00

was that she was babified virtually for life.

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It was a tragic existence.

0:45:040:45:05

She was sent off to bed early, she wasn't allowed to become an adult.

0:45:080:45:12

Beatrice was totally cowed by Victoria.

0:45:140:45:17

Beatrice hardly dared open her mouth at lunch, um,

0:45:170:45:20

except to put food in it in case she said something her mother jumped on.

0:45:200:45:24

However much she wanted to,

0:45:260:45:28

Victoria couldn't keep Beatrice infantilised forever.

0:45:280:45:32

The opposite happened.

0:45:320:45:33

Under the stifling control of her mother,

0:45:350:45:37

she seemed to age prematurely.

0:45:370:45:39

There is a sense in which

0:45:410:45:43

Beatrice and Victoria almost become the same age.

0:45:430:45:46

She appears to take on

0:45:460:45:47

a number of the characteristics of a much older person.

0:45:470:45:50

She begins to suffer from really quite extreme rheumatism,

0:45:500:45:54

her figure fills out, she becomes rather portly.

0:45:540:45:57

Desperate to keep her by her side,

0:45:590:46:01

the ageing Victoria did her utmost to put Beatrice off marriage.

0:46:010:46:05

Dinner guests were reprimanded by the Queen

0:46:060:46:09

for mentioning the words engagement or wedding

0:46:090:46:12

in the Princess's presence.

0:46:120:46:15

At one point, there's a German prince

0:46:150:46:18

that Beatrice may have taken a bit of a shine to.

0:46:180:46:21

And so Victoria arranges for this young man, who is very good-looking,

0:46:210:46:24

to sit beside Beatrice all through a formal dinner

0:46:240:46:27

and she instructs Beatrice

0:46:270:46:29

that she is not to direct a single word to this young man.

0:46:290:46:33

This poor young man doesn't know what he's done,

0:46:330:46:35

he's absolutely baffled, leaves the table

0:46:350:46:38

and thinks, "Well, that's it, obviously I misread the signs,

0:46:380:46:40

"obviously Princess Beatrice is not interested in me at all."

0:46:400:46:43

Despite Victoria's scheming, in 1884,

0:46:450:46:48

Beatrice, the most obedient of daughters, made a bid for freedom.

0:46:480:46:53

Aged 27, she fell in love with Henry Prince of Battenberg

0:46:540:46:57

and announced she wanted to marry.

0:46:570:46:59

This is the great moment of Beatrice flexing her muscles,

0:47:010:47:05

this is the one really significant independent action of her life,

0:47:050:47:09

the only time when she puts up a stand against the Queen

0:47:090:47:13

on a matter of any importance.

0:47:130:47:15

She was desperate at that moment to escape

0:47:150:47:17

and to attain this sort of adulthood.

0:47:170:47:19

Victoria flatly refused even to discuss

0:47:230:47:25

the possibility of Beatrice marrying.

0:47:250:47:29

She's furious at what she almost regards as Beatrice's treachery

0:47:290:47:34

and I think that Queen Victoria's response

0:47:340:47:37

is the cruellest thing that she does in her life.

0:47:370:47:40

For about six months, Victoria would not talk to her.

0:47:410:47:44

She communicated to her with little notes.

0:47:440:47:47

They were sitting at breakfast together

0:47:470:47:49

and she would pass her a note with her eyes averted

0:47:490:47:51

because this was such an outrage,

0:47:510:47:53

she was going against what her mother needed.

0:47:530:47:56

Everything with Victoria was about me, my needs, my need for love,

0:47:580:48:02

my need for care, my need for company.

0:48:020:48:05

It was never, ever really a case of, "What can I do for them?"

0:48:050:48:09

Eventually, the Queen gave way to her tenacious daughter.

0:48:130:48:16

Victoria allowed the marriage to go ahead on the condition, once again,

0:48:170:48:21

that Beatrice and Prince Henry

0:48:210:48:23

should always remain with her at Windsor.

0:48:230:48:25

Victoria was uncomfortable

0:48:270:48:29

with the physical side of her daughter's relationship.

0:48:290:48:32

She hoped and prayed there would be "no results" for some time.

0:48:320:48:37

During the engagement, the Queen had been thankful there was...

0:48:370:48:40

"No kissing, et cetera, which Beatrice dislikes."

0:48:400:48:44

One of the strangest things about Victoria's attitudes

0:48:450:48:50

is the way that she seems to resent

0:48:500:48:52

the sexual and the romantic lives of her children,

0:48:520:48:55

they become an area of difficulty for her.

0:48:550:48:59

Victoria did not only need to have power

0:49:020:49:05

over every aspect of her daughters' lives,

0:49:050:49:07

she wanted precedence over them too.

0:49:070:49:10

In 1871, Vicky's father-in-law had been named German Emperor,

0:49:100:49:16

making her the future German Empress.

0:49:160:49:19

The Queen was put out by this potential new title.

0:49:190:49:22

Queen Victoria is rank conscious and, in her own mind,

0:49:240:49:28

she is the topmost reigning monarch in the world,

0:49:280:49:33

she is quite clear about that.

0:49:330:49:35

She is therefore troubled by the fact that her eldest daughter

0:49:350:49:40

is going to become an empress and that she herself is not an empress.

0:49:400:49:44

Not to be outdone, Victoria had the Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli,

0:49:470:49:51

proclaim her Empress of India first.

0:49:510:49:55

Disraeli was clear about her motives, he is recorded as saying...

0:49:550:49:59

"Her daughter will have imperial rank,

0:49:590:50:02

"and she cannot bear to be in a lower position."

0:50:020:50:05

The Queen also felt threatened by Vicky's intellect.

0:50:100:50:14

Her daughter was interested in scientific progress

0:50:140:50:17

and modern thought, ideas which challenged her mother's world-view.

0:50:170:50:21

Vicky was highly intellectual, she was enlightened,

0:50:240:50:27

she was radical. Queen Victoria said, "Really, you're so radical,

0:50:270:50:33

"I could almost believe that you are a republican."

0:50:330:50:35

So she was very forward-looking,

0:50:350:50:39

very intellectual, very intelligent, very sympathetic,

0:50:390:50:43

and really quite un-royal in a strange kind of way.

0:50:430:50:45

Vicky was that ultimate paradox - the intelligent royal.

0:50:470:50:50

Vicky shocked her mother by reading Charles Darwin's radical new book

0:50:530:50:57

The Origin Of The Species, which put forward the theory of evolution.

0:50:570:51:02

The Queen feared that Vicky was turning into a modern sceptic,

0:51:030:51:06

as she warned one of her daughters...

0:51:060:51:09

"Don't you listen to her, don't you let your firm faith ever be shaken.

0:51:090:51:14

"Don't you read those books,

0:51:140:51:17

"don't follow her advice in many things. Pray, pray don't."

0:51:170:51:21

There could be nothing more profane than the work of Karl Marx.

0:51:250:51:29

Vicky read the revolutionary's Das Kapital

0:51:290:51:32

and was eager to hear more of his ideas.

0:51:320:51:34

Careful to avoid enraging the Queen,

0:51:370:51:39

she asked her friend, the MP Sir Grant Duff,

0:51:390:51:42

to go and discreetly meet the communist on her behalf.

0:51:420:51:46

Grant Duff, having expected to be disgusted and repelled

0:51:470:51:51

by this firebrand, in fact wrote back

0:51:510:51:53

that he seemed a very genial and rather clever man.

0:51:530:51:56

Marx was obviously at his most charming

0:51:560:51:58

and asked for his compliments to be passed to the Princess Royal

0:51:580:52:02

and her Prussian husband.

0:52:020:52:03

But it was her daughter Louise's interest in a new movement

0:52:070:52:10

that made the deeply conservative Victoria's blood boil.

0:52:100:52:14

The Queen would be a symbol of female strength

0:52:160:52:19

and independence for generations to come.

0:52:190:52:22

Despite this, she was horrified by the rise of the women's movement.

0:52:220:52:26

"The Queen is most anxious to enlist everyone who can speak or write

0:52:300:52:34

"to join in checking this mad, wicked folly of Women's Rights.

0:52:340:52:39

"It is a subject which makes the Queen so furious

0:52:400:52:43

"that she cannot contain herself."

0:52:430:52:45

It's hard to imagine anybody on this planet

0:52:500:52:52

has ever been less of a feminist than Queen Victoria.

0:52:520:52:55

She thought it was positively wicked.

0:52:550:52:57

She thought women belonged in the home.

0:52:570:53:00

Although she was living at a time

0:53:000:53:02

when there were lots of people who were beginning to ask -

0:53:020:53:05

intellectual middle-class women and upper-class women -

0:53:050:53:08

why they shouldn't have the vote, why they shouldn't go to university,

0:53:080:53:12

why they shouldn't be educated in the same way that boys were educated.

0:53:120:53:16

For Princess Louise,

0:53:170:53:19

female emancipation became a burning commitment.

0:53:190:53:22

The flame had been lit when she went to see Elizabeth Garrett,

0:53:230:53:27

the first woman in Britain to qualify as a surgeon

0:53:270:53:30

and an ardent supporter of women's rights.

0:53:300:53:33

When the Princess arrived,

0:53:330:53:35

the pioneering doctor was up a ladder hanging wallpaper.

0:53:350:53:38

Elizabeth Garret was amazed to see this delightful young lady

0:53:410:53:45

who was interested in meeting her

0:53:450:53:47

and wanted to learn all about her training and her education.

0:53:470:53:51

As she was leaving, she said to Elizabeth Garrett,

0:53:510:53:54

"Please don't tell the Queen about my visit."

0:53:540:53:58

Unfortunately, word got out and the Queen was furious

0:53:580:54:02

when she discovered what Louise had done.

0:54:020:54:04

It's psychologically interesting

0:54:050:54:08

that somebody who had been made to really bow down to her mother

0:54:080:54:11

had managed to reach a point

0:54:110:54:13

when she was strong enough and feisty enough and independent enough

0:54:130:54:16

to go against her mother's wishes

0:54:160:54:19

and to do what she wanted to do in terms of meeting this woman

0:54:190:54:22

who was single-handedly changing female history in Britain.

0:54:220:54:25

In 1866, Garrett and other prominent women

0:54:280:54:31

had signed one of the first petitions demanding votes for women.

0:54:310:54:35

Louise supported the controversial movement, but she didn't sign.

0:54:370:54:42

As a Royal, she wasn't allowed to take a political position.

0:54:420:54:45

As Victoria reached old age, the daughters became more daring

0:54:480:54:53

but still had to work hard to avoid their mother's wrath.

0:54:530:54:56

Although Victoria had an amazing kind of surveillance system

0:54:560:55:00

and kept tabs on absolutely everybody,

0:55:000:55:02

I think the daughters were very, very good

0:55:020:55:05

at sort of going under the radar and getting involved in activities

0:55:050:55:08

that they knew Victoria would not necessarily be approving of.

0:55:080:55:11

But they did it nonetheless.

0:55:110:55:13

Victoria had always encouraged giving to charity,

0:55:150:55:18

but her daughters took the idea of philanthropy one step further.

0:55:180:55:23

In later years, Princess Louise became known

0:55:230:55:26

for her work with hospitals, tirelessly visiting wounded soldiers

0:55:260:55:30

and encouraging nurses.

0:55:300:55:32

She devoted much of her life to helping women find new roles

0:55:330:55:37

at a time when they were expected to stay at home.

0:55:370:55:39

She herself worked vociferously in female education

0:55:420:55:46

and in getting women into work.

0:55:460:55:48

It was very touching, actually, that she wanted to work so hard

0:55:480:55:52

in an area which she very much felt, together with her sisters,

0:55:520:55:55

that their mother was neglecting.

0:55:550:55:57

Other sisters also developed a deep interest in the position of women.

0:56:030:56:08

Helena was one of the founders of the British Red Cross,

0:56:080:56:12

helping women get into medicine.

0:56:120:56:13

In Germany, Vicky and Alice broke new ground,

0:56:170:56:20

setting up organisations for women

0:56:200:56:22

that encouraged them to earn an independent living.

0:56:220:56:25

As the 20th century dawned,

0:56:300:56:32

women started to join the workforce in greater numbers than ever before.

0:56:320:56:36

By sheer determination,

0:56:380:56:40

the daughters had not only escaped their mother's clutches

0:56:400:56:43

to carve new paths for princesses,

0:56:430:56:45

but had helped to re-define the female role.

0:56:450:56:48

Victoria's daughters open up a whole set of possibilities

0:56:500:56:53

for middle-class and working-class women

0:56:530:56:56

towards the end of the 20th century.

0:56:560:56:58

Things like nursing, social work, local government work, teaching even,

0:56:580:57:02

become professionalised.

0:57:020:57:04

They grow out of that philanthropic moment

0:57:040:57:06

and become career possibilities for ordinary middle-class women.

0:57:060:57:10

The daughters may have been quiet revolutionaries,

0:57:120:57:15

but they were always conscious of protecting the Royal image.

0:57:150:57:19

After Victoria's death,

0:57:230:57:24

Princess Beatrice edited and transcribed

0:57:240:57:27

all of the late Queen's letters and journals.

0:57:270:57:30

She burnt most of the originals.

0:57:300:57:32

The Princess tried to ensure

0:57:350:57:38

that posterity would only see the best side of Victoria.

0:57:380:57:41

But, try as she might, she couldn't hide the fact

0:57:440:57:47

that her mother had been headstrong, emotional and controlling -

0:57:470:57:52

characteristics that her daughters also inherited.

0:57:520:57:55

Queen Victoria found her daughters difficult a lot of the time

0:57:570:58:00

and yet, of course, when you look at these strong personalities

0:58:000:58:04

and their radical interests and their great desire to bring about change,

0:58:040:58:08

it stems from them being the daughters

0:58:080:58:11

of this very strong-willed woman who was running the Empire.

0:58:110:58:14

She'd wanted them to have that strength in many other ways,

0:58:140:58:18

she just didn't like it when it came up against her.

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