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Hello and welcome to the Imperial War Museum in Cambridgeshire,

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a former RAF base and now a magnet for visitors.

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Today, as we approach Remembrance Sunday,

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we are celebrating the heroes who fought for our freedom

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and paying tribute to the men and women

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who made the ultimate sacrifice.

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This is how the people remember.

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All week, I've been exploring some of the treasures here with former

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army officer Andy Torbet.

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And celebrities from the worlds of entertainment and broadcasting

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have been telling us the role their families played during the war.

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On today's programme, we remember the fallen.

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We hear from a family whose son was killed in Afghanistan.

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I was always there.

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And that was the hardest thing, not saying goodbye.

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Broadcaster Angela Rippon shares her father's wartime stories with us.

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And a piece of music written in the trenches 100 years ago

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is brought to life.

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Very, very emotional. Thank you so much.

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Good morning and welcome to Duxford.

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This weekend, thousands of people will pay their respects

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to the fallen at war memorials up and down the country.

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Our special guest today is someone who is acutely aware

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of the sacrifices families make for the security of the nation.

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Angela Rippon, welcome to Duxford. Thank you very much.

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Now, your dad missed the first few years of your life

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because of the war, didn't he? Oh, very much so, yes.

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My father was a Royal Marine and he had a very busy war,

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as his rack of medals show! I was spotting that on the sofa.

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He was a bit busy during the war because he was in Italy

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and Africa twice. The Pacific, the North Atlantic.

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He was on the Malta convoys.

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So he was all over the place and he didn't actually get back...

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I was born in 1944 and he didn't come back to England

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until the beginning of 1948 when I was three-and-a-half.

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And when I met him for the first time,

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I have a wonderful photograph of me meeting him on board the ship

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when he came back to his home port in Plymouth

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and I have a face on me like a plate of sour milk

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because of course I had been bought up by my mother, my granny

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and my aunt and I had never seen this man before.

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But he was very much the hero of my life,

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as I am sure an awful lot of young children at that time felt

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when I got to know him better.

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And I always say that my dad spent the rest of his life

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making up for the fact that he hadn't been around

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until I was three years old and he had missed all those baby years.

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Did it really affect your relationship with him?

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Oh, very much so. I became very, very close to my dad

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and I always feel...

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My mother couldn't have any more children after me, unfortunately,

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and I think my father being a very macho Royal Marine

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would have loved to have had a son. Instead he got me.

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He wanted me to be a young lady, but at the same time I always feel

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he helped to instil in me all of those qualities of self-reliance

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and courage and determination -

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all of the things that he would have wanted, as a man,

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to pass on to his son.

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And, um...I think they have stood me quite well,

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as you will appreciate, in the job that we do.

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Well, as you say, he had a very busy war

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and you're going to tell us plenty more about that in a moment.

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But first, in 2014 our troops withdrew from Afghanistan.

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It was the end of a costly chapter in a campaign which

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lasted 13 years with hundreds of British soldiers losing their lives.

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This is the story of one young man

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who served with the Mercian Regiment.

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'A guided tour around an army patrol base in Helmand province.'

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'Lance Corporal Jamie Webb recorded this video to

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'show his family back home what life was like in Afghanistan.'

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'Jamie's cheerfulness in adversity shone through in the letters

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'he sent home.'

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"Dear Mum and Dad and Luke, smiley face. Hope you are well and OK.

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"I received some air mail today with some letters.

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"It is quite a hot area, that means where helicopters can't land

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"because they have been targeted by Taliban.

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"Just counting the days till I am home again.

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"Mum, Dad and Luke, I love you all so much.

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"Love from Custard Cream Jamie."

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To tell the story of Jamie - he was brave.

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He was more than my brother, he was my best friend.

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And he was more than my best friend, he was my hero.

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A very loving little boy.

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He was into football, he used to do a lot of running at school,

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a very fit lad.

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Always very jolly person.

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A lovely young man.

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He was. He was lovely.

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He was a loving son to me and Sue.

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And to Luke, a loving brother.

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I'm very proud of Jamie.

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Jamie joined the Army when he was 18. He served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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I worried about him all the time.

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And when I spoke to him on the phone,

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I'd ask him how he was or what he was doing and then sometimes

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he couldn't tell you and he would say the base has been attacked.

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And then he'd say, "Not long until I'm home now, Luke."

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On his second tour in three years,

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the British withdrawal from Afghanistan was gaining pace.

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Jamie rang his family to tell them he would soon be heading home.

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He was on a high. Really happy to think it's over, the tour, like.

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But later that day, there was a knock at the door.

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Sue came upstairs and said, "There's a man at the door in a suit,

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"he wants to see you." And he came in.

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He explained that Jamie had been in a major incident.

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I said to him, "You'd better check his number

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"because I just spoke to him this morning."

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I said, "There's no way it could be my son. No way."

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He said that there was an insurgent attack on the base.

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And that a truck had been driven through the wall

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with explosives and chemicals.

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And it had gone through the wall and it blew it up.

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I couldn't stand the thought of not being with him.

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I wanted to know someone was with him when he died.

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That's what it was. He's never been without me.

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Anything, when he was poorly, when he was little.

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I was always there.

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And that was the hardest thing, not saying goodbye.

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We miss him terribly.

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A British soldier has been killed by insurgents in Afghanistan.

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Jamie's body was flown home to Cheshire.

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The people of Handforth lined the streets in his honour.

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Thousands, there was loads.

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It was covered all that side, all the other side of the streets.

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And all the children were in a line throwing roses on the coffin.

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It was just full. That was so much respect for my son.

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Jamie's name was recorded on the Bastion wall -

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a memorial standing in the Army's main base in Afghanistan.

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It has since been dismantled and recreated in Staffordshire.

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His family are going to see it.

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I think it'll be weird going to look at the memorial wall

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that was in Camp Bastion.

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To think that Jamie was looking at that, when his name's on there.

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Weird.

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It means a lot to have a memorial there for the fallen of Afghanistan.

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They gave everything.

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I will be proud of Jamie,

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he should be remembered but I would rather have him here.

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For me to go...

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It's hard but good.

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I'm proud. Such a lovely man.

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Heartbreaking.

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And later in the programme, we will be with the Webb family

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when the Bastion Memorial is unveiled

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in memory of those who died.

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Well, Angela, let's talk more about your father

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and what he did during the war.

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Did he talk much about his time with the Royal Marines? Um...

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I think that my father was similar to just about all of the men who

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came back from the Second World War, probably the First World War too,

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in that my dad talked about the fun times, and there were fun times,

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as you will know, in the Army and the Marines and the Navy.

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But he didn't talk very much about the terrible things that happened,

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not until he was well into his 80s when I sat him down

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with a tape recorder and said, "Come on, Daddy, I've got to know.

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"I'm a journalist, for crying out loud. I've got to know what you did."

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What was it like when he was recounting it?

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He hated talking about the fact that

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so many of his comrades were killed and lost,

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and I think that's perhaps the lasting impression

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that an awful lot of servicemen have -

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that they were the lucky ones to survive.

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When he was on the Malta convoys, his ship was ploughing through

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and others were being shot out of the water by the German

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air force, they were being attacked by submarines.

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He knew that people on ships who were comrades of his

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were going down and dying. He didn't want to talk about that.

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Angela, what was your dad's job on board the ship?

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He was on the guns, the big 16 inch guns.

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For instance, when he was in the Atlantic,

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he was part of the mission that sank the Bismarck

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and I think they had quite a hairy time of it

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because he was on the Rodney, which was a small battleship, and because

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the German big guns off the big German battleship were really

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reined in on the Admiral of the Fleet, my father...

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He loved to tell the story of how the captain of the Rodney was

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such a good sailor, he was able to sail underneath

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the range of the guns

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and the ship went along the bottom of the Bismarck and strafed along

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its water line and helped to sink it and then came out the other side.

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But it was a noisy job, an awful lot of his comrades went deaf

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which is how I learned to do sign language, because that was how

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my father, who didn't go deaf, used to be able to speak to his comrades

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because they all went deaf so he taught me the language.

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How extraordinary. And explain some of this,

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because you have this wonderful certificate here

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from the Japanese surrender.

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It was awarded to your father. Um...

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The reason I didn't see him until I was nearly three was

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because at the end of the war in Europe, his ship was assigned

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to the American forces in Japan where they were still fighting.

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It went on after the end of the war in Europe.

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And my father, being a British Royal Marine, was seconded to

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a group of American marines and when the Japanese surrendered,

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to mark the end of the Second World War, my father was there

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and he got this certificate saying it was

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presented at the "surrender of the Japanese Empire to

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"United Nations at Tokyo Bay on 2nd September 1945.

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"Issued to Marine John Rippon who was serving on HMS Newfoundland

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"on this great day of final victory."

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And this, along with this, is something I treasure very much.

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That is quite an unusual medal. This is a very unusual medal.

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It was a medal that he got when, with the Americans,

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they went on to an island in Yokohama harbour,

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which is where the two-men submarines, kamikazes, were trained.

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And when they attacked the island, it was abandoned,

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but one of my father's trophies of war was finding this medal which

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apparently is the medal the Japanese nation sent to the families of

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the kamikaze pilots who were not air pilots, but two-men submarine pilots.

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And I don't think there can be too many of those around

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so that is a unique memorial of my father's time in Japan,

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because it has the Japanese chrysanthemum in the middle,

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the anchor,

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and down on the bottom here, the two mini submarines.

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Amazing. Wow. Fantastic to see that.

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I'm not sure he should have taken it, really.

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But it has been in the family ever since! Angela, thank you.

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Well, now to the extraordinary story of a piece of music which was

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composed on a scrap of paper in the trenches of World War I.

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Historian Richard Van Emden has been investigating.

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Soldiers in the trenches had to cope with death,

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disease and destruction almost every single day.

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But there were moments of respite amid the carnage

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and men sought out any comfort to distract them from the battlefield.

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At the front line,

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many soldiers craved a reminder from home.

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Such a simple thing as music gave men the escape they needed

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from the horrors of war.

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I've come to the museum at the Royal Academy Of Music to discover

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more about the importance of music for soldiers in World War I.

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Joanna Tapp is the exhibition curator.

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So, what role did music play at the front line?

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It served all sorts of purposes from instilling pride

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and patriotism - military bands and religious music,

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to the more nostalgic reminders of home

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and the sort of music that soldiers would want to listen to

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when they got some downtime and were sitting around with

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their friends making music, listening to records.

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So, we have here a gramophone. Did they have these in the trenches?

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They did indeed, and it's called a trench gramophone

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because for the first time during the First World War,

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gramophones were made to be entirely portable and you could pick it up

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and carry it from camp to camp or dugout to dugout.

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It is a fantastic contraption and really gives that feeling of,

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if you had that playing in the dugout, of a little bit of home.

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That's right. That's one of the things that music can do.

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It can transport you to somewhere else.

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But one man in the trenches wasn't just listening to music,

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he was scoring it.

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Composer Harry Farrar served in the Royal Field Artillery

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in northern France.

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He survived the war and died aged 70.

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After his death, Harry's family discovered a diary

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he'd written on the front line.

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I'm meeting Harry's son John and grandson Nick to hear Harry's story.

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So John, did your father see much action?

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Well, he must have done, because on 24th April he was at Villers-Bretonneux.

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And he has written, "Jerry came over, fiercely exciting day.

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"Saw Jerry advancing and fired point-blank.

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"Machine gun bullets flying all around us."

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I think it was probably quite a pivotal point in the war

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because they pushed the Germans back. You are spot on.

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Your father was part of a very, very significant battle.

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The Germans were trying to push to take the strategic town of Amiens.

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And they were held up there. That was the critical point of this battle.

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So, during the fighting, did he lose any of his comrades?

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Yes, there's an entry in here where he says

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he loses three from one shell.

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"Corporal Watts, Sanderson, Lancaster killed with one shell.

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"Everyone felt pretty rotten." "Everyone felt pretty rotten."

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It is so understated, isn't it? I know, yes, it is.

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And I think that was the issue then, because you were losing so many friends.

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There was death all around, you couldn't dwell on it.

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No, you couldn't.

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The diary didn't just reveal the horrors Harry went through.

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Hidden within it, the Farrars came across a special piece of paper.

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In the diary, we found this little piece of music

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which he has written while he was out in France.

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So, one could imagine him trying to take his mind off what he has seen and done...

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I would imagine so. ..finds a bit of sheet music and starts composing.

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There is one entry here where he says he found a piano,

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a grand, and enjoyed myself "up to the mark," he says.

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So, it could very well have been he played whatever he liked to play

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and may have written this piece of music at the same time.

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He must have had an incredible mind-set to be able to block out

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all those horrors and to concentrate on the better things in life.

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Quite extraordinary, really. But he was a very talented musician.

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No doubt about that. And went on to make a good living out of it.

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MUSIC PLAYS

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After the war, Harry had a successful career at De Wolfe Music

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composing over 700 pieces for film and television,

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including this one, but the piece of music Harry wrote

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almost 100 years ago is being given a new lease of life.

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And we have arranged a surprise for the Farrar family.

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The score that your father wrote that we found in the rear

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of his diary has been put to an orchestral arrangement

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by De Wolfe, and you are going to hear it right now for the first time.

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This is going to be amazing.

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I'm sure we are going to enjoy it very, very much,

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and remember it for a long, long time.

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SOMBRE ORCHESTRAL MUSIC

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That was awesome. Very, very emotional. Thank you so much.

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Thank you very, very much. You can see what effect that has had on me.

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Quite incredible.

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It emphasises the power of music and what it can do to people,

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and also how fortunate we were that he survived.

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So many of his colleagues did fall, and their legacies will

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hopefully live on with this piece of music as well.

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And later in the programme you can hear the whole piece performed

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here at the Imperial War Museum.

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Now, I am in a hangar here at Duxford

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and this is where they restore these beautiful planes,

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the Spitfires, and one of the engineers here is Mo Overall.

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Lovely to see you. How long does it take to restore one of these?

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It takes about 12 guys up to two years to restore one of these.

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Two years! So it is painstaking work? Yeah.

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Where do you get all the parts from?

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We try and source as many original parts as we can,

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parts that we can't source we make in-house here.

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We have our own machine shop so we can replicate all the parts we need to.

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Are they really difficult to refurbish and rebuild?

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Yeah, they are. Parts are becoming ever so rare now

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so a lot of effort is put in to making these parts.

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You put all this effort in but these planes are really worth

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a lot of money. This one just got sold, how much for?

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It sold for ?3.1 million at auction in July.

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?3.1 million! Wow. Because it is so rare.

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Yeah, it's a Mark I aeroplane.

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There's not many around,

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especially that have been restored to this level of detail.

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They're wonderful planes, wonderful, beautiful planes to look at

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and they just inspired such affection and awe from both the pilots and the public.

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That's right, wherever you go, whatever air show you go to,

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everybody wants to see a Spitfire.

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The noise and the shape is just fantastic.

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And you yourself have just started flying them

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after many, many years working here. What has that been like?

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It's a dream come true to actually be in control of a machine

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that you know so much about mechanically is fantastic.

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Absolutely fantastic. Better than you imagined? Yes. In what way?

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Just everything. It is actually better when you have landed, when it is over with

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and you can sit back and think what you've just done.

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Yeah, it's great. Well, what a wonderful job

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and what a huge responsibility to keep these things going.

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Mo, thank you. Thank you.

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Next year marks the 100th anniversary of

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the Battle Of The Somme - one of the bloodiest episodes in human history.

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More than one million men were wounded or killed in the battle

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and it also left its mark on the landscape.

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The One Show's Joe Crowley has been to France on a pilgrimage.

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Richard Dunning's en route to his property in France.

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Have you ever owned a holiday home or a villa with a pool or a gite?

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Yeah, I've had those and they are not half as interesting as this.

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He bought it 37 years ago, but it's no holiday home.

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It's a massive crater formed in the First World War.

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Do you remember how you first felt when you set eyes on it?

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Yeah, I'd seen a photograph and read a little bit

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but the sheer size of it, I was just absolutely blown away.

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I have to say, that is exactly how it is.

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I didn't really expect to feel anything looking at a crater,

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but the depth and the sheer volume of earth that's been displaced

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is phenomenal.

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'100 metres wide,

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'the crater was formed on the first day of the Battle of the Somme.

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'British miners, like these, tunnelled through

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'no-man's-land to pack 27 tonnes of explosives under German lines.

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'It was witnessed by pilot Cecil Lewis.'

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Suddenly the whole earth heaved, and up from the ground came great

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dark, cone-shaped...lifts of earth, up to 3,000-5,000 feet.

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And we watched this and then, a moment later, of course,

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we struck the repercussion wave of the blast

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and it flung us right the way backwards.

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On the day of fighting that followed,

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over 20,000 soldiers would die.

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Sometimes the word apocalyptic is used, isn't it? It is a wound.

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And you see the power

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and the force that man has brought to bear on his fellow man.

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When you first announced you were buying a crater,

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what did your friends and family think of you?

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I think they all thought I was mad.

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With the German trench obliterated, British troops captured the crater.

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Richard has disturbing evidence.

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This I found 30-odd years ago.

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A British rifle, and you can see the force of the explosion

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that has caused this damage. It's incredible, isn't it?

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The barrel has been swept right round! Yeah.

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And what happened to him, we don't know, other than something dreadful.

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In terms of the personal thing of this place,

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one of the veterans that I got to know found this in the crater.

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It's a New Testament and Psalms. Ernest Mitchell.

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It links one straight the way back to young Ernest.

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It says the whole thing is to do with people.

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In buying the crater, Richard saved it from becoming a landfill site.

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Despite 200,000 visitors a year, he refuses to cash in.

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No money will ever be made from this. No personal gain.

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Why won't you say how much you bought it for?

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Because it is the one most asked question I get when I'm here.

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And I say, "Where you're standing, an 18-year-old boy bled to death.

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"Where you're standing, where you're standing.

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"Don't ask me what it cost, ask them."

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By the end of the war,

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more than a million men had been killed or wounded on the Somme.

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For Richard, the crater's now a symbol of reconciliation.

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He's giving us rare access to the epicentre.

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Do you know, I used to race my son down here when he was about 12.

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Yeah? Don't know what's happened in just 40 years(!)

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Were all the bodies recovered,

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or would they still be in this area, do you think?

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There were 1,000 bodies put in here in the week after the battle.

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The problem then is that shells were landing in here

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and people were getting blown apart and buried.

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You know, they're still around.

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If one kid on every coach just thinks, you know,

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live life a little kinder,

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a little more peaceful, a little more understanding,

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and I think all of the men who fell here

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would understand that absolutely.

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Have you ever regretted purchasing this crater?

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Never. People say, "How did you get the crater?" It got me.

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One of the real treasures here at Duxford is this.

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An incredibly rare Mark 1 spitfire.

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Mo Overall, you were in charge of restoring it.

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It was based here, wasn't it, during World War II?

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Yes, it was based here with 19 Squadron,

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actually before the Battle of Britain began,

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and, unfortunately, it was lost on operations

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when it was covering the evacuation of troops from Dunkirk

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and it force-landed and crashed on the beach

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where it remained for the next 40 years.

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On a beach in France? Yes. And it stayed there for 40 years?

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You've actually got bits of the plane that were salvaged?

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Yes. This is an example of some of the parts that we got

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when the project came to us. Wow.

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You can see how badly corroded it was.

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How much of it were you able to save? How much of this is original?

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Well, a lot of the parts, internal, were stainless steel, so we were

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able to recover a lot of those and we acquired many original

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Spitfire parts to incorporate into this build.

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Well, let's put that down now and come round here to the cockpit

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because this plane has actually only just very recently

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been donated to the museum,

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here. It was donated to the museum by its American owner,

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handed over in July this year, and you can see here

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a rather well known name. Prince William, 9th of July 2015.

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And the cockpit is just beautiful, isn't it?

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It's fantastic, have a jump in and have a look. Can I? Yeah, certainly.

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Wow.

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That is amazing. It is beautiful. The smell of it,

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it's fuel, isn't it, it's oil and leather.

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You get a real good mix of all the old castor oils

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and different fluids that we used in there.

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Wow. And you feel very cocooned once you're in here.

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When you get the door shut

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and the canopy closed, you really become part of the machine.

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It's beautifully restored, what an amazing job you've done.

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Thank you.

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Still to come on today's programme.

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Prince Harry unveils a memorial to the fallen in Afghanistan.

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The memorial was a place where anyone could go,

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to reflect and remember their comrades.

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We'll hear that piece of music written in the trenches

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performed in full.

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And courage in Helmand.

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We're joined by a soldier

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given one of the highest awards for bravery.

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Every year, nearly half a million visitors pour through the doors

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of the Imperial War Museum, Duxford, for many different reasons.

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We've been finding out what's brought some of today's visitors here.

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There is literally something for everybody here,

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of all ages. It just can't fail to please people.

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Obviously, the sadness of the world wars, but it's just something that

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everybody should come to.

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It's nice and spacious, plenty of walking around,

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but some of the exhibits are just unbelievable. I didn't expect

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to be that many aeroplanes in there and in such good condition as well.

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Where they were renovating the planes, that was very interesting

0:28:560:28:59

as well. You can actually see people working on them

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and the complexity of the aircraft

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with the bits taken off them, that was quite something.

0:29:040:29:07

I started out as an apprentice aircraft technician

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and I wanted to come here, look round, see if there was an aircraft

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of the type I was engaged in,

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and that was the de Havilland Sea Vixen.

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And there is one on display in one of the hangars over there,

0:29:230:29:26

so I was quite interested to see that.

0:29:260:29:29

When I looked at the age of the plane,

0:29:290:29:31

it made me realise how old I'm getting.

0:29:310:29:33

Well, Angela's still with us.

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We're also joined by Bombardier Gary Prout.

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Now, Angela is here with her father's medals. I know, Gary,

0:29:450:29:49

you are very proud of one you were awarded in 2010. Tell us about that.

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It's called a Conspicuous Gallantry Cross,

0:29:530:29:55

so it's one below the Victoria Cross and one above

0:29:550:29:58

the Military Cross, so it's a very significant award. Huge award.

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And it was for an incident that happened in 2009.

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Yeah. It was 14th March, 2009.

0:30:060:30:09

We were just south of Musa Qala,

0:30:090:30:12

so it's a quite an infamous area of Helmand.

0:30:120:30:15

We were pushing into an enemy stronghold

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that had been well established. They had underground tunnels,

0:30:170:30:21

multiple firing positions, engaging us through cover.

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We broke through, we got in to where we believed the enemy were,

0:30:240:30:28

then, out of the blue, massive explosion went off.

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I didn't know what it was to begin with, and then the call came over

0:30:310:30:35

the radio that we had a casualty. I pushed forward,

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and I was looking for the casualty,

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and it became apparent that he was still out in the actual ambush

0:30:420:30:46

in that area where the enemy were engaging.

0:30:460:30:48

Ran round the corner and I bumped into one of the platoon sergeants,

0:30:480:30:53

Al Higgins, and asked Al where the casualty was

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and he pointed out into the open ground.

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And it was then that I seen one of our guys laid out there.

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So...

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..without really thinking, I thought we need to get to him...

0:31:090:31:14

So, um...

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Still really hard to talk about, isn't it?

0:31:160:31:19

It's a big part of my life.

0:31:190:31:21

So I just moved out into the open ground,

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and...I got to him...

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and I was pulling him, and I heard somebody beside me,

0:31:280:31:32

and Al had got out to me. So Al didn't get any recognition

0:31:320:31:39

but he was with me throughout that whole event. It was quickly apparent

0:31:390:31:44

that we couldn't do anything for the casualty, Chris,

0:31:440:31:48

but what we then had to do was turn our focus to the enemy.

0:31:480:31:51

The enemy were maybe 20, 30 metres away from us

0:31:510:31:54

just over a wall, and we were in a tricky position.

0:31:540:31:59

So, between me and Al,

0:31:590:32:01

we...put up a bit of a fight.

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We got Chris loaded onto the wagon

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and I can remember someone saying we should get in the wagon,

0:32:060:32:11

and extract back but me and Al looked at one another

0:32:110:32:14

and we were like, "No,

0:32:140:32:16

"the rest of the guys are across there,"

0:32:160:32:18

so we ran back through that killing zone again, and...

0:32:180:32:22

All I can say was we had a bubble.

0:32:230:32:25

We had a bubble - something was protecting us on that day.

0:32:250:32:27

I can see how difficult it is for you even just

0:32:270:32:30

to retell that story and how raw it all still is.

0:32:300:32:33

I started talking to new recruits in the armed forces

0:32:330:32:37

and it was one of the platoon commanders that got me

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to talk to them, and the next day we went to the National Arboretum.

0:32:400:32:45

I was stood behind the young guys,

0:32:450:32:47

they didn't know that I was there, and they were looking through

0:32:470:32:50

the list of names and one of them pointed up and goes,

0:32:500:32:52

"There's Chris." And as soon as he said, "There's Chris,"

0:32:520:32:55

I thought this is an important story to tell,

0:32:550:32:58

and that's kind of kicked it off. Um...

0:32:580:33:02

I think sometimes we distance ourselves from the true emotions

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of these kind of things. I think it's important that we deliver it in

0:33:060:33:10

a way that's realistic, and we don't glorify it into something it isn't.

0:33:100:33:15

It's important that we tell the truth.

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On operational tours, you see acts of bravery

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and courage all the time,

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that don't always get recognition.

0:33:230:33:25

That's right. If you go even from the youngest member of that patrol,

0:33:250:33:29

a couple of hours later, he was out

0:33:290:33:31

putting one foot in front of the other going back against the enemy,

0:33:310:33:35

where he had just seen that event happening.

0:33:350:33:38

And, you know, in the heat of the moment, you can justify

0:33:380:33:41

doing those kind of things. Adrenaline kicks in and you go.

0:33:410:33:44

But whenever you come to a couple of hours later,

0:33:440:33:47

and everything's settled in, that takes a great amount of courage

0:33:470:33:51

for you to be able to walk up to that gate and carry on.

0:33:510:33:53

It's a loyalty to your friends

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and that's what it's all about, at the end of the day.

0:33:550:33:58

You just want to do as much as you can for your friends around you.

0:33:580:34:01

And the thing on Remembrance Sunday

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is that it really does unite the generations, doesn't it?

0:34:020:34:05

People who've fought in different conflicts,

0:34:050:34:07

all kinds of different ages. I know that you used to go

0:34:070:34:09

to Remembrance Sunday events with your father.

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I did indeed, and he was still going to memorials well into his 80s,

0:34:110:34:16

and it was terrific because all the young men that were now

0:34:160:34:19

serving in the Royal Marines would be there as well,

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and it's sharing those stories, isn't it, and I think that's

0:34:210:34:24

when perhaps old soldiers, and young soldiers, like you,

0:34:240:34:27

however difficult it was for you to tell that story,

0:34:270:34:30

you find it's easier because you're with people of a like mind,

0:34:300:34:33

and you start from the same foundation, from the same base.

0:34:330:34:37

You can all understand what you did and why you did it, and you can

0:34:370:34:40

share those emotions and they become real for you again, don't they?

0:34:400:34:45

They do, yes. Angela, and Bombardier Gary Prout, thank you both so much

0:34:450:34:48

for telling your story.

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Well, earlier in the programme

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we heard about Lance Corporal Jamie Webb

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who was killed by Taliban insurgents in 2013.

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His name was recorded on a memorial wall

0:34:590:35:02

at the UK's headquarters in Afghanistan.

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To pay tribute to all the men and women who lost their lives,

0:35:050:35:09

that memorial has been recreated here in Britain,

0:35:090:35:12

and Jamie's family are going to its unveiling.

0:35:120:35:14

The National Memorial Arboretum in Staffordshire.

0:35:180:35:22

Today, the Bastion Wall is being rededicated,

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and among those attending the ceremony are the family

0:35:290:35:32

of Lance Corporal Jamie Webb, who was killed in Helmand province in 2013.

0:35:320:35:37

It's important that the sacrifice is remembered of all the fallen.

0:35:370:35:42

And the Camp Bastion memorial is always there for future generations

0:35:420:35:46

and the next generation along.

0:35:460:35:48

When the family arrive, some of the men who served with Jamie

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are on duty for the ceremony.

0:35:520:35:55

Can I shake your hand? Thank you.

0:35:550:35:58

Thank you.

0:35:590:36:01

Nice to meet you.

0:36:010:36:03

I want to thank you all very much,

0:36:060:36:08

I love you all very much.

0:36:080:36:11

I do.

0:36:110:36:13

I just wish Jamie was with you. I know. I do.

0:36:130:36:16

I think you're fantastic,

0:36:160:36:18

all of you, what you went through, very brave.

0:36:180:36:21

He was a soldier that would break down barriers,

0:36:210:36:24

he was the guy who, if a new soldier came along,

0:36:240:36:27

he would be the one to go over and make him feel welcome.

0:36:270:36:29

Oh, there's the wall, look.

0:36:330:36:35

Jamie's name will be one of 453 being rededicated

0:36:400:36:44

on the new Bastion Wall,

0:36:440:36:46

a replica of the one which stood in Afghanistan.

0:36:460:36:49

It will join 300 other memorials in the Arboretum.

0:36:490:36:53

It's the first time Jamie's family have seen his name on it.

0:36:550:37:00

To look at a wall that Jamie would have once seen,

0:37:150:37:19

in Afghanistan on Camp Bastion.

0:37:190:37:21

He must have walked past it and paid his respects to them all,

0:37:220:37:27

because he lost lots of his friends.

0:37:270:37:30

He wouldn't think he'd be added with them.

0:37:300:37:33

Forces families are joined at the rededication ceremony

0:37:370:37:41

by the Prime Minister and Prince Harry,

0:37:410:37:43

who himself saw action in Afghanistan.

0:37:430:37:46

The memorial was a place where anyone could go to reflect

0:37:480:37:53

and remember their comrades,

0:37:530:37:54

whether individually or part of a formal parade.

0:37:540:37:58

This memorial reflects the spirit of the old one,

0:37:580:38:02

containing, as it does, the original brass plaques,

0:38:020:38:06

a large piece of the original stonework,

0:38:060:38:09

the original cross,

0:38:090:38:11

Afghan pebble chippings,

0:38:110:38:13

and the last Union flag to fly over the memorial in Camp Bastion.

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HE PLAYS LAST POST

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At the going down of the sun and in the morning, we will remember them.

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ALL: We will remember them.

0:38:370:38:39

I would like to thank all the people that made this happen.

0:38:550:38:59

It means a lot. To help keep the fallens' memory alive forever.

0:38:590:39:04

Cos it means a lot, and it means a lot for the soldiers as well.

0:39:040:39:07

Yeah. Because of their friends, comrades.

0:39:070:39:11

They were together through thick and thin over there.

0:39:110:39:14

Brothers in arms forever.

0:39:160:39:18

Well, that's nearly it for today's programme but, before we go,

0:39:250:39:30

back to a piece of music written on a scrap of paper

0:39:300:39:33

in the trenches of World War I.

0:39:330:39:35

It was recently discovered in the war time diaries of soldier

0:39:350:39:38

and composer Harry Farrar, and it's been christened

0:39:380:39:41

The Hymn To The Fallen.

0:39:410:39:43

It's performed today on the viola by Levine Andrade.

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MUSIC: "Hymn To The Fallen" by Levine Andrade

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APPLAUSE

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Hymn To The Fallen.

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Well, we've come to the end of our week of The People Remember

0:42:460:42:49

in Duxford. Thank you very much to our special guest Angela Rippon.

0:42:490:42:52

Well, thank you for inviting me.

0:42:520:42:54

I have to say it was particularly moving sitting next to Gary,

0:42:540:42:57

listening to him relive so emotionally that story,

0:42:570:43:01

and I think when we're doing a programme around remembrance

0:43:010:43:05

and Remembrance Sunday, it's really important to have that memory

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of what it was really like for the men and the women who lived through

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all of those really traumatic experiences.

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I found that very poignant. It was incredibly moving

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and you can see highlights from the past five days of The People Remember

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on Remembrance Sunday in a special programme on BBC One.

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But, from all of us here at the Imperial War Museum,

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thanks for watching and goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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