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Is it part of the human condition | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
to dream of living in a better world? | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
In a utopia? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
Ever since Thomas More coined the term, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
the idea of utopia has captivated us. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:23 | |
It's been reimagined and reinvented by generations of writers | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
and artists and dreamers, each interpreting it | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
in their own distinctive ways. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
But why has this vision of a place somewhere between fiction and reality | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
exerted such a hold over us? | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
Utopian dreams have driven popular culture... | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
..and high art. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
From Swift to Star Trek... | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
..Wagner to Wikipedia, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
utopias have broadened the horizons of the human imagination, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
inspiring extraordinary architecture... | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
Look at this. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:09 | |
..whole new genres of fiction... | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
..and radical experimental communities. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
We're a deviant culture. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
We change the relationship that the people have with material goods. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
In this programme, I'm going to find out how utopias start as aspiration, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:30 | |
as blueprints for fairer worlds. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
Could you guys come up with some rules about your own perfect worlds? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
I'll explore the values that utopian visions have in common and whether | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
they can inspire real change. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
If you can improve the world for the most marginalised population, | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
it can get better for all of us. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
By finding out what you can do, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
it's the only way you can be the best person you can be. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
I want to ask what our utopian visions reveal | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
about humanity's deepest hopes | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
and fears. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
Remember this? | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
This seems like an age ago now, doesn't it? | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
A kind of warning that the route | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
towards a better world is rarely smooth. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
This is our time to restore prosperity and | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
promote the cause of peace, and reaffirm that while we breathe, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
we hope, and where we are met with cynicism and doubts | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people - | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
yes, we can. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
-CROWD CHANTS: -Yes, we can! Yes, we can! Yes, we can! | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
We all want to believe in a better world, in a utopia. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:00 | |
The big puzzle, of course, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:02 | |
and it's baffled humanity at least since Plato, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
is how do we get there? | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
CHEERING | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
Let's start with perhaps the most basic utopia of all - | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
a moment of liberation from the humdrum of everyday life. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
FOOTBALL CROWD CHANTS | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
Where better to begin than at a football match? | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
Here, tens of thousands of people come together | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
to share in a common passion and a dream. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
CROWD ROARS | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
If there's one person who understands this utopia, | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
it's veteran commentator John Motson. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
I think for many, many people | 0:04:01 | 0:04:02 | |
it was always a release, because when football crowds were huge, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
just after the Second World War, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:08 | |
many people worked, not just Monday to Friday, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
but the men would also work Saturday morning. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
And when they left their jobs at lunchtime on Saturday | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
they would make straight for the football stadium, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
and that was their release at the end of | 0:04:19 | 0:04:21 | |
a very gruelling and maybe boring working week. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
There was a utopian feel about it because this was their moment when | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
they could let off steam, or cheer or boo or support their local club. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
I love those Lowry paintings of the football grounds and | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
everyone processing in... | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
-Yeah. -..as a direct equivalent of the factory. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
And, of course, going to the match is one of them, isn't it? | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
It conveys them descending on a football ground. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
The factory worker and the managers are all in the same place and | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
they're all cheering for the same thing. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
-That's right. -And that's quite amazing in terms of bringing | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
a community back together. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
Yeah, and I think that's where this feeling of belonging... | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
..for a football fan, is really essential to why he's going, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
because once he gets inside the ground, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
he is irrevocably linked to the performance of those players | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
and to the brains of that manager. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
You know, suddenly, they're at one. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:27 | |
They all want success | 0:05:31 | 0:05:32 | |
and if it's failure, | 0:05:32 | 0:05:34 | |
they all go through that as well, together. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
Football says something to me about the resilience of humans and | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
their ability to keep on hoping and keep on dreaming. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
Yes, yeah. Absolutely. Clubs have their good runs and their bad runs | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
and the supporters live through the bad runs, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
hoping that the good run is going to come very soon. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
I always remember reading Alan Sillitoe's book, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
Saturday Night And Sunday Morning. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
-Oh, yeah, wonderful. -And sort of the antihero of that, where he said, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
the chapter started, "He always knew Notts were going to lose," | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
cos the guy was a Notts County fan, but he was so pessimistic | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
when he went to the game! | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
So, and I mean, that makes another point - | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
football isn't all about, you know, standing there and yelling, I mean, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
there is a sort of a sentimental, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
cultural side to the way people follow the game. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
John Motson's right. Football is about so much more than football. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:33 | |
I think it speaks to a deeper yearning. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
This shared hope for better, week in, week out, come what may. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:45 | |
It seems to me that hope, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
that optimism is something that runs as a current | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
all the way through human history. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
The kind of hope for better that we see in football fans | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
was given philosophical gravitas by the Tudor polymath Thomas More. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
More set out a blueprint for a better world - an imaginary, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
idealised society, with a name which started | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
as a knowing classical joke. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
Literally, in Latinised Greek, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
utopia means "no place". | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
It's a place that can't exist, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
or a place that doesn't exist. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
But when Thomas More published the book in 1516, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
he included a poem in which he spelt the word differently - | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
eutopie, which means a "good place". | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
And it's that inherent ambiguity | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
that means that utopia's been contested for centuries. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
More's own dream of utopia was of a faraway land. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
His book is presented as a mariner's tale. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
It was written in an era of feverish excitement, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
as a new and perhaps better world was being charted across the seas. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
In Bristol, tourists take a spin in a replica of the Matthew - | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
the small ship in which John Cabot sailed | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
across the Atlantic in 1497... | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
..and reached North America. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
During the Age of Exploration, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
there were ships like this travelling all over the world, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
packed with hardy souls, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
desperate to find new knowledge, new understanding, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
who knows? New lands. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
To me, the sea was like the internet of its age - | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
little packets of information travelling backwards and forwards, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
crisscrossing the globe. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
And those sailors who were coming into ports were coming with | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
pretty tall tales of lands far away that were verging on perfect. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:09 | |
The promise of a utopia, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
of a better place, of a good place, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
always seemed to be just over the horizon. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
Thomas More's Utopia was partly inspired by | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
Amerigo Vespucci's reports of | 0:09:26 | 0:09:28 | |
his encounters with the natives of South America, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
innocent and uncorrupted by the European love of gold. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
The natives of More's Utopia have democracy, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
religious tolerance and no private property. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
What's fascinating, I think, is that More puts forward a version | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
of communism several centuries before Marx and Lenin. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
He writes... | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
Nobody owns anything but everyone is rich, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
for what greater wealth can there be than cheerfulness, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
peace of mind and freedom from anxiety? | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
It's a very romantic idea that, back in the Golden Age of Exploration, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
people weren't just looking for trade routes and new resources | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
but they were also looking for the answers to kind of all | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
the big questions in life, you know, and the... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
And, therefore, to utopia. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
There's amazing stories and tales about people searching for | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
Shangri-La and Eden and... | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
I think today we're still the same. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
We might have mapped the planet, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
but there's still so much to see and experience for ourselves. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
Explorer Belinda Kirk has tracked camels through | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
China's "Desert of Death"... | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
..uncovered ancient rock paintings in Lesotho... | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
..and rowed unsupported right around Britain. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
She believes that seeking out new and better worlds | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
is more than just a choice - it's an innate urge. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
There's a lot of studies about the explorer gene, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
which has been identified as 7R and which is also known as | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
the wanderlust gene. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
So, this idea that a fifth of the population have this... | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
..real, strong feeling to explore. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
Now, that exploration might be physically looking for new lands | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
or it might be that they are our philosophers. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
You know, they have got new ideas | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
and they're the people who break those boundaries. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
Do you think that there's, you know, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
something utopian, inherently, about all exploration? | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
I think it's the characteristic that is largely the reason for our | 0:11:40 | 0:11:46 | |
development and evolution. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
The groups that are innovative, that are exploring, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
they're going to come up with the solutions | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
and I think that's what you need, isn't it, for any utopia? | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
You need progress and people being engaged, people being excited. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:02 | |
There's that hope that this could be the trip that is really enriching. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
Is that what keeps you going back? | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
I think at the time you don't always think that. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
There's a lot of type two fun in exploration. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
Don't know if you've heard of that. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
No, what's type one? | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
So, type one is fun at the time and fun afterwards. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Type two is not fun at the time but fun afterwards. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
And type three is not fun at any time. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:12:30 | 0:12:31 | |
So, a lot of what happens on expeditions is you suffer a bit, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:36 | |
but you learn that, through suffering, | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
you can achieve things that you wouldn't otherwise achieve, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
and then I think you take that into the rest of your life. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
It does sound a little bit utopian, this idea that you can discover | 0:12:43 | 0:12:48 | |
a better place that doesn't have to be an actual place, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
it can be a better place for yourself. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
By finding out what you can do, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
it's the only way you can be the best person you can be. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Perhaps we don't all have the explorer gene, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
but that doesn't mean we can't go on a voyage to discover utopia vicariously. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:12 | |
The exploits of the Age of Exploration spurred writers | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
to imagine new and ever more exotic worlds. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
One 18th-century author's story of an explorer | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
enduring a lot of type two fun has become | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
one of the most influential works of literature ever written, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
and it would ultimately inspire utopian change in the real world. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
"I slept sounder than I ever remember having done in my life, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:49 | |
"for when I awakened it was just daylight. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
"I attempted to rise, but I wasn't able to stir. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
"I found that my arms and my legs were strongly fastened on each side | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
"to the ground. In a little time, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
"I felt something alive moving on my left leg. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
"Bending my eyes downwards, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
"I perceived there to be a human creature not six inches tall. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
"In the meantime, I felt at least 40 more of the same kind | 0:14:18 | 0:14:24 | |
"following the first. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
"I was in the utmost astonishment and I roared loud. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
"And then they all ran away in fright." | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
-Where were we? -In Lilliput? | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
-Exactly. -What's the special thing about Lilliput? | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
-Yeah, Abdul? -Everyone was very small and then, like, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
the trees are like that big. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
At Seven Stories, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
the National Centre For Children's Literature in Newcastle - | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
a little utopia in itself - | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
Matthew Grenby's running a workshop for local schoolchildren, | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
exploring Jonathan Swift's work and our love of fantastical worlds. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
Can you think of any books that you've read where there are other made-up lands? | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
-Harry Potter. -Oh, Harry Potter, interesting. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
-Hogwarts. -Hogwarts, that doesn't exist? | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
-No. -Are you sure? -Yeah. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:14 | |
-Yeah? Anywhere else? -Alice In Wonderland? | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
Alice In Wonderland! So, Wonderland, that doesn't exist either. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
One thing that we thought we'd ask you to do is make up a place | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
which is different from your normal life. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
I'm just interested to see how it would actually look. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
-So, it's always sunny in this world, is it? -Yeah. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
Uh-huh. And that's what makes the trees grow so well? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
-Yeah. -It turns them happy. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
There's no cars. You've just got to walk everywhere. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
Ah. What's this here? | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
It's a town on a flower. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
A town on a flower? | 0:15:44 | 0:15:45 | |
-Mm-hm. -Wow. -So all the celebrities live on the petals. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
-Right, and who lives in the middle? -Just normal people. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
So is it better to be a celebrity or a normal person? | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
Um...a celebrity. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
While Thomas More wrote Utopia for a narrow audience - | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
the erudite Tudor ruling class - | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
what made Gulliver's Travels so enduring | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
is that Swift aimed it at a much broader readership, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
empowering them to dream. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
He is doing something really remarkable with it - | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
he is making it a much more approachable kind of utopia | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
than there has been before. He's putting in these little people, | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
the Lilliputians, he's putting in the big people, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
all of the strange fantasy inventions | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
which give it a new kind of life, I think, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
and make it available for a much bigger audience. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
So, as soon as Gulliver's Travels comes out, everybody's reading it, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
whether they're aristocrats at court or, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
we're told, children in schools. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
It's obviously written by a man who has an agenda. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
What are his politics? | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
By this stage, Swift has been on a bit of a political journey | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
and he's now a Tory. Not in the modern sense a Tory, maybe - | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
he's someone who has a real sympathy for those who are left out of power. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
To me, it's a defining element of utopian fiction, | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
that it has an agenda. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
Jonathan Swift made his principles clear in the preface to his story, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
where he claimed that the bulk of the people were... | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
Forced to live miserably by labouring every day | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
for small wages to make a few live plentifully. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
In utopias, there are often a lot of rules to make sure that everybody | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
behaves in the right way so that the whole society functions really well. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
So, could you guys come up with some rules about your own perfect worlds? | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
With his idea of escaping into extraordinary worlds, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
Jonathan Swift arguably invented children's literature | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
and, just as importantly, he put utopian dreams into the heart of it. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:42 | |
Some of the very first children's books that are published | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
in the 1740s and the 1750s, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
so just a couple of decades after Gulliver's Travels, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
they pick up on this idea of big and small, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
which is embodied in the word "Lilliput", | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
and you have The Lilliputian Magazine - | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
the first magazine written for children, 1751-1752, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
which has taken that word from Swift. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
It's a really interesting publication. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
It has poetry in it, it has riddles, | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
it has all sorts of miscellaneous contents, including - | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
and this is what I find so fascinating - | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
three or four utopian stories, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
little travel narratives which are rather like what's happened in | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Gulliver's Travels and which are going to take these young readers | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
to some really extraordinary places, governed by extraordinary rules. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
In your perfect world, are there any rules that people have to obey? | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
Yeah, don't argue - discuss. And if you're sad, be happy. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:34 | |
And what about this one I can see there? | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
No-one's allowed not to like football? | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
-Yeah. -THEY LAUGH | 0:18:38 | 0:18:39 | |
If anyone tries to be more important than other people, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
they're not allowed to be more important - everyone's equal. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
The Lilliputian Magazine's utopian stories are each about how a child | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
takes over an island kingdom | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
and rules it according to their own edicts | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
to make it a better place. | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
One of them was The History Of The Mercolians, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
about a little boy who manages to save a corrupt society | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
by leading his people to a new island and putting in his own rules | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
to make it a much more virtuous country. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
And the remarkable thing about that is that in this new country, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
there's a radical redistribution of property. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
"All inhabitants, every four years, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
"are to bring their money into the public treasury, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
"from which an equal distribution was made again." | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
That sounds a bit like some of your ideas, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
about everybody being equal. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
-Don't you think? -Yeah. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
Stories like this in The Lilliputian Magazine had real impact, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
seeding revolutionary ideas among a new generation of thinkers | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
living at a time of intellectual and political ferment. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
In the late 18th century, the shock of the French Revolution | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
reverberated through Britain's stratified society. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
This was a time when industrialisation was creating | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
"dark Satanic mills" and William Blake dreamed of a spiritual utopia, | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
a "Jerusalem in England's green and pleasant land". | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
One young reader of The Lilliputian Magazine, perhaps more influenced by | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
its writings than any other, was Thomas Spence. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
This radical political firebrand | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
was born into a poor family in Newcastle. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
He had 18 brothers and sisters | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
and he actually lifted whole sections of The Lilliputian Magazine | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
and used them directly in his own radical political writings. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
For Spence, the route to utopia on earth lay, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
perhaps unsurprisingly for a kid from such a big family, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
in gathering resources and sharing them. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
For him, it was all about commonsing. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
The concept of the commons, the ideal of shared ownership | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
by a community, is, I think, a vital but often overlooked strand | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
of utopian thought. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:04 | |
We take it for granted today, but common land, like much public space, | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
has had to be fought for tooth and nail. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
This is Newcastle's Town Moor, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
1,000 acres of rural space slam in the middle of urban Newcastle. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
It might look peaceful nowadays, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
but in 1771, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:31 | |
this was the battleground that fired Thomas Spence's utopian politics. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
When landowners threatened to enclose the moor, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Spence rallied the local freemen | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
to campaign for common ownership of the land. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
The freemen wished to see the people of Newcastle | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
enjoy sole and several grazing rights in perpetuity | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
by being able to lead their animals up the hill and onto the moor | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
for the summer season. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:00 | |
Spence clearly did ignite the debate, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
was provocative, and he did generate the thinking behind a common. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
And they actually succeeded? | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
It took a week in Parliament | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
and they came back with the Town Moor Act, 1774. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
They were hailed as heroes | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
and it's led to where we are today. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
Well, today, a quarter of a millennium later, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
and there are still cows being grazed on the moor by freemen. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
I mean, that's quite a victory. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
It's tremendous, but it is part of the culture in this city. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
The Town Moor is the prized asset. It's the city lung. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
After helping to create a little utopia in Newcastle, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:48 | |
Spence scaled up his campaign, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
thumbing his nose at the grandest landowner in Britain - | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
His Majesty, King George III himself. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
That's Thomas Spence's alternative national anthem. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
In his championing of the poor, | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
Spence dreamed of commonsing not just land, but education and money. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
This is a really, really important historical object. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
It's a 1797 cartwheel penny | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
and with this object, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
Spence saw an incredible opportunity to get his message, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
his utopian vision, out to the masses. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
200 million of these were issued in the 1790s by the Crown. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
The first time Britons owned an identical image of Britannia and, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
of course, of King George. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
So what Spence did was he took them | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
and he counter-stamped them with his message. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
It read, | 0:24:35 | 0:24:37 | |
"No landlords, you fools, | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
"Spence's plan for ever." | 0:24:39 | 0:24:40 | |
He sent thousands of these coins back into circulation. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
His plan was utterly visionary. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
And for having it, conceiving of it, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
he found himself repeatedly in prison, and repeatedly, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
he defended the principles he dedicated his life to. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
The King thought he'd issued a propagandist message to the people, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
Spence took it and issued a utopian vision to the people. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
Thomas Spence died in 1814 in the same poverty | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
into which he had been born. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
If he was alive today, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
I'd like to imagine that he'd be a digital rights campaigner... | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
..because in cyberspace, his idea of the commons remains | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
a powerful, if contested, concept. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
Here, the commons is no longer about shared land, of course, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
but about shared ideas. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
I'm going to try to explain how it is that the internet | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
takes Thomas Spence's thinking about the commons on to a whole new level. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:55 | |
In the words of George Bernard Shaw, that great Irish playwright, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
you can think of it like this... | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
If I've got an apple and you've got an apple | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
and we exchange our apples, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
we both end up with one apple. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
But if I have an idea and you have an idea | 0:26:10 | 0:26:13 | |
and we exchange ideas, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:14 | |
we both end up with two ideas. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
The concept of a commons of ideas and knowledge on the internet | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
is championed today by Wikipedia. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:27 | |
In Berlin, hundreds of Wikipedia editors from across the world | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
are holding a convention. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
I think of this as a kind of UN of knowledge. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
They're sharing ideas and bravely fighting for free speech | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
in their time, just as Spence did in his. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
It's really just thousands of people trying to get things right, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
so that what's being presented on Wikipedia is the truth. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
The crowd-made online encyclopaedia is nothing if not ambitious | 0:27:17 | 0:27:21 | |
in its utopian dream - | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
for every human to freely share in the sum of all knowledge. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
With 18 billion visits every month, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
40 million articles | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
in almost 300 languages... | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
..and around 120,000 regular volunteer editors, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:41 | |
Wikipedia is arguably one of humanity's | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
greatest collective efforts. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
So, are you ready to edit? | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
-I'm ready. -You're ready. So, you're going to click the edit. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
Executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation, Katherine Maher, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
is helping me to become a Wikipedian. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
I'm going to go for something I know a bit about - | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
the French Revolution. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:05 | |
I was hoping there might be missing references, but I'm seeing... | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
There are some missing references in this section. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
That looks like something that we could do. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
I want the Mission: Impossible music. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
Oh, what have I done? I've made a shambles of this. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:23 | |
I really have made a shambles of this. You see... | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
We'll be able to edit it. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
There's an important lesson here, which is - concentrate. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
VOICEOVER: Here we have a commons, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
but is this commons a virtual utopia? | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
Is it really as smooth-running, | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
democratic and idealistic as it appears to be? | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
In practice, it would seem impossible for such a model to work, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
that you could ask people to write some sort of common sense | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
of knowledge, come to consensus on difficult issues | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
and that anybody could edit it, right, and that wouldn't fall prey | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
to sort of vandalism or other problems. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
But the reality is that Wikipedia works and it works remarkably well | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
and it works in 300 different languages, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
with all of these people from all over the globe. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
So I think there is something in there that is about sort of | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
an optimism and a generosity of spirit | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
that speaks to our better nature. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Are there any topics that you could imagine | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
that would not be worthy of coverage? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Oh, Wikipedians decide that sort of thing every single day. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
Wikipedians determine what's notable and what's not and it's not | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
necessarily the same thing as what's famous and what's not. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
You could have notable things in Wikipedia that no-one...that only | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
five people have ever heard of, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
but it's important in some way to human knowledge. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
And then you could have things that are essentially ephemera, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
that are here today and gone tomorrow. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
Is that, in any way, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:40 | |
pointing towards the sort of tension within the organisation, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
between those who want to include more? | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
Yes, we actually call them inclusionists and deletionists... | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
-OK. -..and there is a strong tendency... | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
Most Wikipedians have a tendency one way or another. I'm an inclusionist. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
I believe that the more things that we have that are available | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
for people to learn from, the more we represent sort of the truth | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
of the world around us. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:01 | |
I kind of imagine Wikipedia as being a utopian community. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
-Mm-hm. -Which is to say, it has no physical place, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
but it's definitely part of a drive to make the world better. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
I think there's a utopian aspect to what we believe, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
that free knowledge should be available for all, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
that everyone should be able to participate in it, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
not just consume it, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
and that we should reach every single person on the planet. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:27 | |
What really strikes me about Katherine Maher's vision | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
for Wikipedia is the notion of equal access and equal rights | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
for everyone on the planet. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
In other words, equality. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
Alongside the commons, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:44 | |
the ideal of equality is a vital pillar of much utopian thinking. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:49 | |
People often assume that equality is something humanity | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
has come up with rather recently, but in fact, | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
the struggle for equality takes us deeper still into utopian dreams. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
Let us make this conference the beginning of a stage in our quest | 0:31:08 | 0:31:12 | |
for making democracy the thing it should be | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
and should have been 200 years ago. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
This is the time that we will make women and men share equally. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
Thank you very, very much. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
Imagined worlds, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
where different peoples and sexes enjoy equal rights, | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
have a long and rich history. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:33 | |
In 1405, a century before Thomas More | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
and more than 500 years before Germaine Greer's The Female Eunuch, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
Christine de Pizan wrote The Book Of The City Of Ladies. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
De Pizan extolled women's accomplishments. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
Her allegorical city is a refuge from patriarchy and male dominance | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
populated, she writes, by "all women who have loved and do love | 0:31:57 | 0:32:02 | |
"and will love virtue and morality". | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
From the City of Ladies to the City of Angels. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
In Los Angeles, the home of Hollywood's dream factory, | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
which has pushed out countless visions | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
of alternative better worlds, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
there's a project that fits squarely into the feminist utopian tradition. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
This is a rehearsal of a play that continues the fight | 0:32:30 | 0:32:33 | |
for gender equality by exploring how pregnant women are marginalised. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
The Bumps is a play that's written specifically for a cast | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
of three pregnant actors at three different stages of pregnancy. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
The piece is a way to create a small economy for pregnant performers | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
in the absence of one. | 0:32:58 | 0:32:59 | |
And it felt really good for me. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
It's very moving to watch you guys work together, cos I feel like... | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
Playwright Rachel Kauder Nalebuff's avant-garde play is about more than | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
giving an opportunity to pregnant actors, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
it's also a provocative feminist critique | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
of why that opportunity doesn't usually exist. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
The hope is that watching pregnant actors on stage makes everyone | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
start to wonder, "Why have I never seen this before? | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
"And not just in the theatre, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:28 | |
"but what else is broken about our current world | 0:33:28 | 0:33:31 | |
"that I'm now suddenly realising is broken | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
"because I've just assumed that pregnant women are invisible | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
"and don't participate in society?" | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
Almost everything I know, I've taught myself. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
Yeah, discover it. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
How to walk down the street. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
How to bleed... | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
There's a bell hooks quote that I really love, which is that | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
"art should do more than show us the world as is, | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
"it should show us what the world could be", | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
and so something that I really love about utopian art | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
is that it acknowledges the reality. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
You know, it's not dreamy, la-la, oblivious to what's going on | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
because, by creating a solution, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
or an experimental solution, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
you're also reflecting on something you're dissatisfied with. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
I just want someone in my life, you know? | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
And this feels so different from meeting. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
Why do you think there's a really urgent need to be thinking about, | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
talking about, feminist utopias now? | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
The feminist approach to utopia is really crucial because what it does | 0:34:44 | 0:34:50 | |
is it rejects the idea that utopia is the product of one man's genius, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:56 | |
or anybody's genius, and that, actually, utopia... | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
..requires a multiplicity of minds, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
and the theatre, to me, is the natural place to explore | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
utopian thinking in a feminist way because it's so collaborative. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
OK, let's play through again, and what if you used more space? | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
-Yeah. -Within the space. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
And you can also allow yourself to... | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
It's about realising the patriarchy is limiting for all of us, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
it traps everyone, and that, if you have fair pay, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
if you have affordable childcare, if you have sane labour practices, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
these are things that make the world a better place for everybody. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
If you can improve the world for the most marginalised population, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
it's a key to how it can get better...for all of us. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
The more I explore it, the more I am struck by how | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
disruptive utopian art like Bumps can be, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
helping us re-engage with the problems in the real world, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:58 | |
giving us a glimpse of a way towards a better future. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
This has never been more so than in the 1960s, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
a time of utopian optimism perhaps like no other. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
Alongside experiments with values and chemical stimulants, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:18 | |
the 1960s was also the moment | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
when explorers started to look for utopia | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
not on the other side of the world, but in space. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
# Hey, Mr Spaceman | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
# Won't you please take me along? | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
# I won't do anything wrong... # | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
The exploration of space is one of the great adventures of all time. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
We choose to go to the moon. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things | 0:36:46 | 0:36:51 | |
not because they are easy but because they are hard. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
Space exploration launched a new wave of utopian storytelling | 0:36:57 | 0:37:02 | |
nowhere more powerfully than via the new medium of television. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
Setting their stories in space, television writers could smuggle | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
daring and subversive futures under the radar | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
and see them broadcast into millions of living rooms. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
One series in particular was hugely influential | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
in tackling the issue of racial equality. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
This one I like the most. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
They caught the essence of who I am in this picture. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:42 | |
-Lieutenant Uhura. -SHE CHUCKLES | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
-These are original publicity shots? -Yes. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
Nichelle Nichols played Lieutenant Uhura in Star Trek, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
her role on the bridge of the USS Enterprise inherently utopian | 0:37:52 | 0:37:57 | |
as she sought to communicate in hundreds of alien languages. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
A signal, Captain. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
It's very weak. It's Balok. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
It's a distress signal to the Fesarius. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
We might smile today at the cardboard sets | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
and primitive special effects, | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
but in Star Trek we see a coming together | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
of so many utopian elements. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
-Any reply? -Negative. The signal is growing weak. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
Sir, I doubt if the mother ship could have heard it. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
What's intriguing is that it's an escapist entertainment, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
like Gulliver's Travels. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
There's a crew in which men and women are equal | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
and they strive for peace in a galactic commons. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:36 | |
This is the Captain speaking. First Federation vessel is in distress. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
We're preparing to board it. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:42 | |
There are lives at stake - by our standards, alien life, | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
but lives nevertheless. Captain out. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
This was also an imagined utopia that set out to change reality. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
Star Trek's creator, Gene Roddenberry, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
was making a statement on the struggle for civil rights in America | 0:38:56 | 0:39:01 | |
by writing a black officer onto the bridge of the Enterprise. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
He was one of the most brilliant men on the planet | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
and if somebody came up and said, "That doesn't make sense," | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
he'd hold a conference with them, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
and he said, "That comes from your limited point of view. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
"I'm talking about the big picture." | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
What were his ideals like? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
In a word, "We are one." | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
Your performances are so strong, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:33 | |
partly because you really feel the message... | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
-Exactly. -..that Gene Roddenberry's sharing. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
Absolutely. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:39 | |
Because we were doing something that we really believed in | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
and you had something... | 0:39:44 | 0:39:45 | |
..to hold on to, to hold up. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
This is where I'm coming from. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
In an episode called Plato's Stepchildren, | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
the series boldly went where American television had so far | 0:39:58 | 0:40:01 | |
feared to go with the first interracial kiss on screen. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
I'm so frightened, Captain. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
I'm so very frightened. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:12 | |
That's the way they want you to feel. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
Makes them think that they're alive. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
Kirk and Uhura's dialogue, ostensibly about telekinetic aliens, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
can be interpreted as a commentary on white supremacists. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
Kirk, as I recall, he's like, you know, like this, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:40 | |
and he said, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:41 | |
"I told you I'd get you sooner or later!" | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
Did you realise when you shot that kiss | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
how long it would be remembered for? | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
This enormously important, historical TV kiss? | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
Oh. Oh, yes. Yes, yes. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
-And interracial. -Yeah, exactly. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
And they said, when the kiss went on, you know, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
this was an interracial thing, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
and I simply said... | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
"Yeah, cos that's what my whole family is." | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
They wrote my life. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:15 | |
Nichelle considered quitting the show early on because she worried | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
Uhura didn't have enough to do, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:22 | |
but she was convinced to continue by Dr Martin Luther King, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
who saw the significance of a black female role model | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
being beamed into American living rooms. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
I have a dream | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
that one day on the red hills of Georgia... | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
..the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:49 | |
I have a dream. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:50 | |
Do I gather that you recognise me? | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
I recognise what you APPEAR to be. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
Martin Luther King's utopian dream shines through a Star Trek episode | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
in which the crew beam Abraham Lincoln onto the ship. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
And there's a telling exchange with Uhura. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
Excuse me, Captain Kirk? | 0:42:11 | 0:42:12 | |
-Yes, Uhura. -Mr Scott... | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
What a charming Negress. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:15 | |
Oh, forgive me, my dear. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
I know that in my time some use that term as a description of property. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
But why should I object to that term, sir? | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
You see, in our century, we've learned not to fear words. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
May I present our communications officer, Lieutenant Uhura? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
The foolishness of my century had me apologising | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
where no offence was given. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
We've each learned to be delighted with what we are. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Dr King was a man who preached that we should not see differences | 0:42:44 | 0:42:49 | |
-between races... -That's right. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
-..and that we should love one another. -Yes. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
Do you feel that Dr King's message | 0:42:54 | 0:42:56 | |
was really quite like Star Trek's message? | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
Yes, very much. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
That's why he was a Trekker. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
He was, you know, and he made no bones about it. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:09 | |
He was so pleased that we were | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
getting what he meant. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
Utopian visions like Star Trek act as a beacon. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
They're crucial in criticising the present | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
so as to mark the way towards a better future. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:26 | |
But there's a flip side to utopian thinking - | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
dystopia. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
Dystopian literature reminds us that hard-won gains can be lost, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
dreams like equality and shared ownership can go out of the window. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
Dystopias warn us we must beware humanity's darker, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:46 | |
authoritarian side if we're ever to reach a better place. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
Just outside Vilnius in Lithuania, I'm being interrogated by the KGB | 0:43:56 | 0:44:01 | |
in an immersive and very disorientating theatre experience. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
They call it 1984 - The Survival Drama | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
after George Orwell's classic dystopian novel | 0:44:09 | 0:44:12 | |
about the Big Brother state. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:13 | |
This three-hour performance, set 20 feet underground | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
in a disused nuclear bunker, distils the Soviet experience | 0:44:20 | 0:44:25 | |
into a grim, unremitting dystopia. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
HE SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 0:44:34 | 0:44:35 | |
The creators, for whom the Soviet experience is recent memory, | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
believe you can't just read about dystopia, you have to feel it. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:45 | |
Why do you put people through this? | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
Just to make people understand how living in Soviet Union was like. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:54 | |
This experience, working here, | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
is very important for me because I love free Lithuania, | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
I love freedom, and I want to show our society that freedom | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
is much more better than totalitarian system. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:08 | |
Orwell's bleak vision of life under a totalitarian state, | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
still a bestseller today... | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
OFFICER SPEAKS RUSSIAN | 0:45:18 | 0:45:20 | |
..is a recurring metaphor. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:22 | |
The book even has a cameo as a prop, | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
or rather, a blunt weapon! | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
You imagine George Orwell might have approved. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:32 | |
As his sinister interrogator O'Brien warns hero Winston Smith... | 0:45:32 | 0:45:37 | |
If you want a picture of the future, | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
Astonishingly, it's popular with tourists and school parties, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
who play the role of participant and victim. | 0:45:49 | 0:45:52 | |
We have a lot of students from schools, | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
so we call it live history lesson. | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
So three hours they are here, just facing the Soviet Union, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:02 | |
the discipline there and all the reality. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
BRUSQUE RUSSIAN | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
So, how do the schoolkids respond? | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
I mean, it's quite an immersive, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:10 | |
a very immersive and quite a daunting experience. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
So, usually, you know, they come here and they are thinking that | 0:46:14 | 0:46:19 | |
this is a game, you know? Like, the guys were 17, 16 years old. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
They are coming here and just behaving like, "What... | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
"What can you do for me?" you know? | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
So, it takes about ten minutes and we've got the silence there, | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
you know, and they are kind of scared. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:35 | |
Perhaps they walk out realising quite how lucky they are | 0:46:39 | 0:46:42 | |
to have been born when they were born. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
Yes, yes, they go out, usually through this door, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
and they are shouting, "Freedom!" you know? | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
And...just like going out of the jail! | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
Stretch your hands. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
Spread your fingers. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
Close your eyes. | 0:46:58 | 0:46:59 | |
It might seem extreme, but the Nineteen Eighty-Four experience | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
is hardly outlandish in our culture. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
Where George Orwell led, others have followed. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
In the 18th century, | 0:47:16 | 0:47:17 | |
young people read the utopian stories of The Lilliputian Magazine. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
Now it's dystopian comics that help them understand their world. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:25 | |
The 1990s cult Marvel series Transmetropolitan | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
is a classic example. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
It imagined a near future of information overload | 0:47:35 | 0:47:39 | |
in which truth is lost in a morally bankrupt society | 0:47:39 | 0:47:43 | |
bingeing on a diet of sex and violence. | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
Transmetropolitan, the whole hook was, | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
when truth is lies, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:51 | |
who do you look to to bring you what's actually happening? | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
Who's your guide through that world? A journalist. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
Transmetropolitan's author, Warren Ellis, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:01 | |
is one of Britain's most prolific comic book and sci-fi writers. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
For him, the warning about a dark authoritarian future is about | 0:48:05 | 0:48:09 | |
helping his generally young readership to navigate issues | 0:48:09 | 0:48:13 | |
of politics and control. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
Reading dystopic fiction in comics can give kids tools to understand | 0:48:17 | 0:48:23 | |
the way the world is run and letting them know | 0:48:23 | 0:48:25 | |
that they are not alone in their lack of understanding | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
and general horror at the way the world is. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
So, there's this one passage | 0:48:30 | 0:48:32 | |
that I just think is really staggeringly prescient. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
So, he's broadcasting to the city. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
-Mm. -"Your boss does what he likes. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
"The papers and feedsites that lie to you for the hell of it, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
"they do what they like, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:44 | |
"and what do you do? You pay them. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:47 | |
"You must like it | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
"when people in authority they never earned lie to you." | 0:48:49 | 0:48:53 | |
These things are always true in dystopian fiction - | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
unearned privilege. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
One of the many little shocks that Winston Smith gets | 0:48:58 | 0:49:01 | |
in Nineteen Eighty-Four is discovering that O'Brien | 0:49:01 | 0:49:04 | |
can turn off the telescreens. | 0:49:04 | 0:49:06 | |
-Mm. -Sudden, unearned, secret privilege. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
The 0.1% were present in Nineteen Eighty-Four, | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
just as they're present today. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
You see, I was wondering about this work | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
in relation to Nineteen Eighty-Four, of a world where the truth gets lost | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
and you don't bother to question it or challenge it. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:24 | |
This is why Nineteen Eighty-Four was such an important book, | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
because it was only two steps away from life at the time. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
It was Anthony Burgess who actually revealed that at one time | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
the working title for Nineteen Eighty-Four | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
was Nineteen Forty-Eight. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:38 | |
RICHARD GASPS OK. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
Yeah, it was really very, very close | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
to the way Orwell saw the world at the time. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:46 | |
Nineteen Eighty-Four is one of those books | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
that every generation can find a reflection in | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
or act to prevent that, or something like that, happening. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
I agree with Warren Ellis. | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
I think of dystopian stories as the warning lights of our time. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:02 | |
And it's striking | 0:50:09 | 0:50:10 | |
how those warning lights are flashing everywhere these days. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
They're our favourite big-budget movie franchises | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
and glossy box-set dramas. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
From a sadistic regime forcing teen gladiators to fight to the death | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
in The Hunger Games... | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
If I'm going to die, I want to still be me. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
I just can't afford to think like that. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
..to a Christian fundamentalist state | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
where the few remaining fertile women are subject to ritualised rape | 0:50:40 | 0:50:45 | |
to bear children for their male masters in The Handmaid's Tale. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
You girls will serve the leaders and their barren wives. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:56 | |
You will bear children for them. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
Today's utopian fiction pits a heroic protagonist against a world | 0:51:04 | 0:51:10 | |
that's inhumane, full of torture and brutality. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
It asks us, how do we hold on to our values in this kind of a space? | 0:51:14 | 0:51:19 | |
Whereas in the 1960s | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
such literature and film-making was optimistic... | 0:51:21 | 0:51:25 | |
..nowadays it's full of profound fear. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:30 | |
For me, there can be no bigger fear than the horror of Nazism. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
Continuing to haunt us, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:39 | |
the Nazi nightmare is being reworked again | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
in the drama The Man In The High Castle, | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
which asks us not to assume our future is set. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:48 | |
Amazon's adaptation of Philip K Dick's sci-fi novel | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
imagines a 1960s America carved up by Germany and Japan which, | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
in this counterfactual world, have won World War II. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
And it was Heydrich who gave the order. | 0:52:04 | 0:52:06 | |
He was following orders. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
Probably don't even know why he wanted me and Lautz out of the way. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
No, sir, I... | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
I don't. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
I didn't think so. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
HE SCREAMS | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
This balcony really reminds me of the scene | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
where the Obergruppenfuhrer throws his adjutant over the edge, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
this horrifying moment... | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
VOICEOVER: Frank Spotnitz developed and produced the series. | 0:52:39 | 0:52:43 | |
Why does he think dystopias are so popular today? | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
My feeling is that we are living in a period of heightened fear, er, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
really since 9/11. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
People are very fearful | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
and dystopian storytelling allows them to work through those fears | 0:52:56 | 0:53:01 | |
in a safe space, an entertaining space. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
Do you think that dystopian fiction and film-making | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
is almost cathartic, then? | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
I do think, in my small way, I try to tell stories that help us think | 0:53:10 | 0:53:14 | |
about ourselves and make us think about ourselves. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
The Man In The High Castle, I think, is a story that really invites you | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
to look at yourself. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:22 | |
It's really more about us than about Nazis | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
and that's why, especially in the first season, | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
they were hardly any Nazis with German accents. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:31 | |
They were all American Nazis. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:32 | |
What I was trying to say was, "Look, you have this in you, too." | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
Joe! | 0:53:37 | 0:53:38 | |
-Sieg Heil. -Sieg Heil. Glad you could make it. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
Saw you in the parade on TV. That was really something. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
Yes, it was. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
-Hey, Harry! -Sieg Heil! | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
Sieg Heil. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:52 | |
The Victory in America Day celebration | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
at the Smith household... | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
-"Sieg Heil." -Yeah! | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
That was like Americana. That was like Thanksgiving and, you know, | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
saying hello to the neighbour and... That was pretty nice. And, you know, | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
John Smith has a really lovely wife and children. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
Oh! Joe, this is Thomas and Amy and Jennifer. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:13 | |
-Hi, guys. Sieg Heil. -Hi. -Sieg Heil. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:14 | |
I think you've got to admit that attraction to parts of it. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:19 | |
You could argue that national socialism was a utopian movement. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
In their mind, they thought they were perfecting man. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:25 | |
In my mind, that's what makes it evil. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:27 | |
Hitler's vision of utopia was of a genetically pure master race | 0:54:30 | 0:54:35 | |
dominating Europe for 1,000 years. | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
Please, take a seat. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
One storyline in The Man In The High Castle interrogates this utopia | 0:54:42 | 0:54:47 | |
by confronting its main Nazi protagonist | 0:54:47 | 0:54:49 | |
with a terrible personal dilemma. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
This... | 0:54:52 | 0:54:53 | |
This won't be easy for you to hear. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
Your son has a serious disease. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
Landouzy-Dejerine syndrome. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
He discovers his son has a rare degenerative disease | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
and must, according to Nazi protocols, be euthanized. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
That's nonsense. My son is the picture of health. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:14 | |
I'm afraid he isn't. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
Within months, perhaps a year... | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
..there will be paralysis. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:21 | |
That's a mistake, Doctor. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
You're making a mistake. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:26 | |
I would never tell you this were I not certain. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
The look on his face of realisation, as he suddenly comes to wrestle with | 0:55:30 | 0:55:36 | |
the inner human emotional life that he's supposed to entirely suppress | 0:55:36 | 0:55:41 | |
in the name of the regime, is really striking. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
That character, played brilliantly by Rufus Sewell, | 0:55:44 | 0:55:48 | |
was an attempt by me to say | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
there can be good people who embrace evil ideologies, | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
that that actually happens all the time. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:59 | |
And that storyline of confronting the terminal illness of his own son, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
to me, was a perfect way to force him to face... | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
..the evil of the ideology he'd embraced. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
As for medical assistance, | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
a syringe and an ampoule of an effective combination. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:21 | |
Absolutely painless. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:22 | |
A good dystopian drama is a warning. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
It's a critique of who we are now, saying these are the impulses that | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
we are exercising, this is who we will become unless we change path. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:37 | |
Frank Spotnitz is right, I think. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
The dystopian stories are there to keep us on the righteous path, | 0:56:43 | 0:56:47 | |
in check, on the way towards a better future. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
That future might seem uncertain in the current climate of fear, | 0:56:51 | 0:56:56 | |
but it's within our seemingly undaunted search for utopia | 0:56:56 | 0:56:59 | |
that I find some optimism. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
Utopias spur the human imagination | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
and keep us asking the big questions, | 0:57:05 | 0:57:08 | |
whether as dreams of escape and exploration, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:11 | |
as campaigns, or as warnings. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:14 | |
What links these very different visions, it seems to me, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
is our almost innate drive to make the world a better place. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:24 | |
We imagine utopias through fiction, I think, because they encourage us. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
They speak to the good in us and around us | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
of utopian acts of everyday life and of extraordinary kindness. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:37 | |
If someone falls in the street, just watch as others rush up to help. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
If we're attacked by terrorists, witness our resilience. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:48 | |
Our desires for utopias is, I think, | 0:57:49 | 0:57:52 | |
an important part of the human condition, | 0:57:52 | 0:57:55 | |
the thing that inspires us to keep trying to improve our world. | 0:57:55 | 0:58:00 | |
In the next episode, from imagination to implementation. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:08 | |
Radical communities... | 0:58:11 | 0:58:12 | |
Hi, can I join you? | 0:58:12 | 0:58:14 | |
..utopian ideologies... | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
..grand architectural visions. | 0:58:18 | 0:58:20 | |
We're declaring war on the slums. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:25 | |
But is humanity ever really up to the job? | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 |