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Utopia. That good place. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
A hope, a dream, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
always tantalisingly just out of reach. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Utopia has been imagined a thousand different ways. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
Yet when people try to build a utopia, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
they struggle and very often fail. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
I want to explore why. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
We'll encounter experimental communities | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
searching for greater meaning in life, | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
utopian ideologies and plans for the masses | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
that didn't leave space for the individual. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
And utopian architects with a faith | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
that humanity's lot can be improved through better design. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
To practise architecture, you're planning for the future, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
you're looking far ahead. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
This is about how utopias either adapt or else they crumble. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
It's about the clash of grand utopian visions and very human flaws, | 0:00:55 | 0:01:01 | |
our craving for community versus our desire to break free. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
It's about what happens when you dare to turn utopian dreams into reality. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:11 | |
The term utopia, meaning no place or good place, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
was coined by the Tudor statesman and philosopher Thomas More. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
In 1516, More dreamt up a fictional society where there was no private | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
property, an early welfare state, and communal meals. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
More's utopia is ambiguous and satirical, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
but also decidedly monkish. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
MONKS SING | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
More suggests that an ordered way of life is an important part of utopian living. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:10 | |
Here at Belmont Abbey near Hereford, this search for harmony is captured, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
it seems to me, in the repetitions of the monks' plainsong. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
MONKS SING | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
For us, a monastery is a good place in which to live, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:37 | |
and in which to really attempt | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
the ideal of monastic life. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
And we aim for that. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
And then very often there's the reality, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
which is not quite on the same level, as it were. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:49 | |
We struggle. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:51 | |
HE SINGS | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
18 Benedictine monks live here with a code that lays down all the | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
fundamentals of how they live their daily life. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
The big decisions are made for them, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
freeing up their minds to think and to explore deeper questions | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
about existence and meaning. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
We spend a great deal of our time reading | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
and meditating the Scriptures, praying, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
and trying to live according to the teaching and the example of Jesus Christ. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:30 | |
And, of course, Thomas More | 0:03:30 | 0:03:31 | |
would've done the same in his own way, in family life. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
For him, the family was like a small monastery - living in community, | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
sharing everything, loving one another. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
A communal way of life, sharing space and food and wealth. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
By extolling monkish equality as the key value | 0:03:53 | 0:03:59 | |
of a radical new society, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
More was being incredibly political, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
in an age of kings and queens. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
In the years that followed, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:14 | |
other religious thinkers came up with new ways of living and put them | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
into practice in the real world. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
Persecuted in Europe, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
many radical Protestant sects found a more welcoming home for | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
their communities in the wide expanse of the New World. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
From the Mayflower pilgrims to the Quakers, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
America became a testing ground for their utopias. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
I've come to Canterbury, New Hampshire. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
Believe it or not, this was once a home to America's most radical utopians, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
an extraordinary experiment that ultimately failed. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
Hard-working and hard-worshipping, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
the Shakers got their name as Shaking Quakers | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
because of their ecstatic movement and dancing during worship. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
Canterbury, like other Shaker villages on America's east coast, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
is now a living museum, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
a place for a fun family outing. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
Yet the Shakers' way of life could hardly be more alien | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
to modern American values of aggressive individualism. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:32 | |
The Shakers were pacifist and communalist, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
and - way ahead of their time - | 0:05:38 | 0:05:41 | |
believed in equality between the sexes. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
They were founded in the 18th century by Ann Lee, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
who had a vision that Christ would reappear in female form. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
At their peak in the mid-19th century, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
some 18 Shaker communities like Canterbury | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
were home to over 5,000 converts, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
sharing open space, good food, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
accommodation and education. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
I think that two of the words that guided them | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
were union and order. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
And by union they meant the idea that, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
as we would put it today, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
everyone's on the same page. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:25 | |
And then the idea of order. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
You can see that the buildings are lined up in orderly rows. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
They had a set of rules - | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
the time that they rose in the morning, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
the time for their meals, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
the time that they had lights out at night. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
They had rules for almost everything, as a way of producing | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
a calm and orderly life. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
In an attic of one of the old Shaker dormitories, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
a well-used rocking chair reveals much about the Shaker mind-set. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
You know, to modern eyes this looks beautiful - | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
simple, but beautiful. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
It's got something Bauhaus about it. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
But to Shakers that would've been a nonsense. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
They'd say, "We're not interested in beautiful, | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
"We're interested in useful. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
"That's all we're really interested in." | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
If you make something absolutely useful, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
it's just a coincidence if it happens to be beautiful. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:29 | |
It's like an aesthetic that doesn't care about aesthetics. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
It's wonderful - simple, airy, lightweight, super-practical, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
easy to stow away | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
and, just coincidentally, delicious to look at. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
Nice chair. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
It's a huge irony, of course, that the clean-lined, minimalist | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
Shaker aesthetic has influenced commercial kitchen design | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
and flat-pack furniture the world over. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Because while their furniture conquered millions of homes, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
the Shakers are no longer here. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
The reason lies back in the founder Ann Lee's story. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
Her four children died in infancy. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Convinced their deaths were divine punishment for sins of the flesh, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
a personal tragedy doomed this utopia. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
She bound the Shakers to one very fateful rule - | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
celibacy. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
They were saying, "If you follow us, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
"we are offering you a path to a life free of sin, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
"a heaven on earth." | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
And their prescription for doing this | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
was to give up the traditional bonds of matrimony | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
to live as brothers and sisters. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
The rigid rule of the group clashed with natural sexual urges | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
and individual choice. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Perhaps even more significantly, | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
the vow of celibacy meant that the Shakers were unable to bring up | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
their own children in their faith. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Like monks, but without the weight of Catholic tradition behind them, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
the Shakers relied on new recruits, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
taking in orphans and teaching them their way of life. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
After the mid-19th century, cities began to grow. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
They were very attractive, especially to young people. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
So, with opportunities to live a more modern life, | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
and, of course, for young people, the opportunity to marry, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
to have a family of their own, became more and more attractive. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
The Shakers clearly had an amazing vision for their time. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
This focus on gender equality, well over 200 years ago, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
it's extraordinary. But, on the other hand, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
there's a kind of flaw in the weave. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
This obsession with celibacy means that they can never reproduce, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
that the community is surely, inevitably, just going to collapse. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
The tension between the utopian ideal and hard reality, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
the collective vision and individual freedom, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
has been played out in communities all across the world. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
In rural Virginia, an eco-commune has become one of America's | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
longest-enduring experimental communities. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
Over 50 years, Twin Oaks has learned to adapt to balance | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
the needs of the group versus the individual. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
Like monks and Shakers before them, | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
the 106 people who live here share everything - | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
food, housing, and in Twin Oaks' case, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
childcare and sometimes sexual partners. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
Unlike the old religious utopias, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
the founding principles at Twin Oaks were secular and highly rational. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
The psychologist BF Skinner is remembered today for | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
his controversial experiments on pigeons. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
His life's work was an attempt to establish that free will is | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
an illusion and that behaviour can be modified by systems | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
of reward and punishment. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
In 1948, in his novel Walden Two, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
Skinner dreamed up a utopian community where people | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
are nudged towards living in harmony, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
being productive and happy through behavioural engineering. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
-"What is love..." -Skinner writes. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
"..except another name for the use of positive reinforcement?" | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
In 1960s America, amid anti-war protests, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
the beat poets and the emerging counterculture, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
people were dropping out to seek alternative answers to life's big questions. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
Psychology books setting out new ideas of the self boomed, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
and Skinner's behaviourist fantasy started to be read all over again. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
My mom and I were living in Los Angeles, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
and she read Walden Two and she just sort of looked up and said, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
"Does this exist? This is what I want." | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
In 1967 Josie's mother, Kat Kinkade, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
helped to found the Twin Oaks community. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
She was a low-level secretary with no college, a single mom. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
She had no prospects for a good career, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
so she wrote to BF Skinner and said, "So where is it? I'm ready." | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
And of course he wrote back and said, "Well, sorry, there's no such thing." | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
Then she saw an ad in a magazine that said, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
"Forming Walden Two community." | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
And the next thing I knew, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
within two or three months we had packed up all our earthly goods | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
and come out on a train. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
Well, people aren't equal, we don't pretend that they are. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
The idea of equality, we define it as, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
no member envying or having cause to envy another member. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
Twin Oaks is one big experiment. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
Basically, Twin Oaks is setting out to do two things. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
One of them is to create a society fit for humans to live in. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
The other one is to create humans fit to live in that society. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
What was it like in the early days? | 0:13:30 | 0:13:31 | |
It must have been incredibly hard work. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
You know, I mean, Twin Oaks ran out of money in its first two months, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
and people had to travel 50 miles to go get jobs in order to bring enough | 0:13:36 | 0:13:41 | |
money in. A whole bunch of people were leaving because there had been | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
interpersonal difficulties, and how is the group going to survive? | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
And I know my mother would just worry and worry. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
So, it wasn't love and sunshine every day, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
but there was so much purpose that it was absolutely engaging and inspiring. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:58 | |
Work isn't just an aversive thing, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
work is something that people really enjoy. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
There was Walden Two, and it laid out the template. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
And so, Twin Oaks, to this day, as far as I know, | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
has the planner manager system. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
So the planners were the official decision-makers. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
They would ask for input from the group, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
there would be several meetings about it, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
then they would put out that decision onto the bulletin board | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
and then comments would be written about that. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
And then, if there weren't too many objections, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
then it would become the decision, the made decision. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
It sounds dangerously like democracy actually could work. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
JOSIE LAUGHS | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Well, certainly in small groups. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
One of those main decisions early on was to abandon behaviourism, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
which had soon become a dirty word amongst Twin Oaks' more hippyish residents. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
Yet, look more closely behind the laid-back exterior here today, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
and you find many leftovers from Skinner's systematic, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
scientific approach. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:02 | |
So this is the... | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
Paxus has lived at Twin Oaks for 19 years. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
This space, which is where the community had its community meetings | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
for the first 15 or 20 years, in this pit, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
but then we got too big. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
He explains the role planning and work have played | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
in helping this utopia to both tick over and adapt to change. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
One of the things I wanted to show you... | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
This is... | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
This is the people finder. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
Every person who is in the community has a labour sheet | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
for the work that they're doing. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
These labour sheets are part of the clockwork nature of the community. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
We have a bunch of policy. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
We have a bunch of systems that are in place. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
One of the advantages of being in a clockwork community is lunch | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
is available at noon, dinner is available at six, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
and it takes 88 shifts to run a tofu production week. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
That gives us reliability, and a kind of internal structure | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
that makes doing some of the more complicated things | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
that we do here possible. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
If Twin Oaks holds something sacred, it's its labour system. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
This is a community with a work ethic. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
Each resident is required to contribute 42 hours a week, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
choosing tasks ranging from farming to cooking... | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
cleaning and work in the commune's thriving tofu-making | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
and hammock-weaving businesses. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
Running alongside this communal graft, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
the residents use their power as a group | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
to save money and pool resources. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
So this is one of my favourite institutions | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
inside of the community. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
This is commie clothes, or community clothes. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
It's simple and surprising. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
-This is awesome. -Yeah. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:53 | |
So this is a free collective clothes library, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:58 | |
where everything is sorted by type and by size. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
And everything up here is clean. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
Paxus explains how this lending library for clothes | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
discourages the Twin Oaks residents from seeing | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
clothing as personal possessions. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
It's nurturing the resources by not focusing on private ownership | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
and rather on services. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
-It's a commons. -Yes, right. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
As long as the commons are not forced on people, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
but the commons are something that people participate in in a way that works for them, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
then you get people saying, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:27 | |
"Oh, yeah, I don't feel oppressed by the commons, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
"I don't feel like I'm forced to share. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
"I feel like sharing is a benefit to me." | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
When I fully grasp that the residents share even their clothes, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
it strikes me just how radical Twin Oaks is | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
in turning normal assumptions about ownership on their head. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
We're a deviant culture, right? | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
Like, in the mainstream, there's all this crime. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
There isn't any crime where I live. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
We made the choice to give everybody equal access to all of the stuff, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
so almost all the property crime just vanishes. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
We change the relationship that the people who are here have | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
with material goods. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
Because we're able to use dramatically fewer cars and because | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
we're sharing clothes and bicycles and all of the rest of this stuff, | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
we have a tiny carbon footprint. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
We also have a tiny per-person annual taxable income. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
My taxable income for last year was 7,000. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
That's like two-thirds of the poverty line. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
But I've got a sauna, and I've got a weight room, and I've got a musical instrument library, | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
I've got 450 acres of land, I've got organic food being cooked, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
being harvested and cooked on the site, prepared for me every day. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
I don't cook very well. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:40 | |
This is a really good circumstance, right? | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
It doesn't feel like poverty. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
Twin Oaks appears to be an extraordinary alternative to consumerist, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
capitalist America. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
Hi, can I join you? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
VOICOVER: But isn't it hard to share everything all the time? | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
What do residents have to give up in this utopia? | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
So, I can see a lot of the upsides, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
but are there any downsides that you would be prepared to share with me? | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
The fact that I could go decades without, you know, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
building long-term savings for myself, if I were to ever leave, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
is pretty nervous-making. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
Like, there's not... | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
The community has a really powerful safety net. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:27 | |
But once you leave, you know, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
then you're out there in the mainstream again. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
Instead of dating someone and moving in, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
you already live with them. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
So relationships progress fairly quickly, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
and whether they're romantic or not. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
You're just in there with people | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
and you cannot avoid building relationships through conflict | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
with lots of people, very complicated relationships. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
We are definitely interested in a better place, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
but I care more about fairness and sustainability, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
designing new culture | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
than I do about creating something that's perfect. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
And if you're focused on something that's perfect, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
then that's taking you away from | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
these other things that are actually much more accessible. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Twin Oaks has worked against the grain of mainstream American life | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
for half a century now. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
I can see why it survives. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
There's lots to be said for the flexibility of work, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
the liberation of sharing, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
the plenty of beautiful land and food, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
and a strong internal organisation | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
around which the community mutates and flexes. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
But the turnover of a fifth of residents every year shows how hard | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
it can be to give up privacy and individual choice | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
for life in the group. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
It isn't easy to fit into utopia, even for the founder's daughter. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
Josie Kinkade left the community as a young woman. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:57 | |
Twin Oaks, for me, is partly, you know, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
being surrounded by love and a beautiful place, | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
and partly having to work it out with everybody. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
Like, when you live in a marriage you, you know, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
where does he put his shampoo and who drops her socks on the floor? | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
You know, that sort of thing you work out with two people. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
Well, here you work that out with 50 or 60 or 100 people, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
and, for me, I just wanted a little bit more autonomy. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
The utopian dream is that people CAN work it out, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
they CAN exist in harmony, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
if together they build and continually tweak | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
the right environment and the right rules by which to live. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
But this is a dream that is, | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
of course, not limited to small communities. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
The idea of the perfect society has long been a political project, | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
directed from above. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:56 | |
The 20th century, in many ways, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
can be viewed as a period of historic struggle between utopian ideologies - | 0:22:00 | 0:22:05 | |
Nazi, Soviet and capitalist - | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
all with a very different view of how people should live. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
-ARCHIVE: -"This year, too, all the German youth will participate enthusiastically | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
"in gathering the crops," is the commentator's introduction. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
"To serve in gathering the crops is to serve the people." | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
In the early 20th century, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
utopia became a social experiment on a mass scale, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
often with unforeseen consequences. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
In 1930s America, as city populations swelled, | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
the government imposed a top-down solution for housing the poor. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal declared a war on slums, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
conceiving vast housing schemes in the inner cities. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
Places of hope and new opportunity. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
This was the birth of the projects. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
-ARCHIVE: -Unsightly buildings, dangerous and unsanitary, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
come crashing to the ground as the works programme clears the way for | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
a great housing project. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:24 | |
Named for Chicago's beloved Jane Addams, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
this housing development will lead the way to better living conditions | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
for families of low income. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
Keith Magee, founding director of the National Public Housing Museum in Chicago, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
takes me into a public housing block that still survives today. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Taking their name from a local philanthropist, | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
32 Jane Addams homes like this were built in Chicago's West Side | 0:24:01 | 0:24:06 | |
in the late 1930s. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:07 | |
So this would've been an apartment... | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
Almost 1,000 individual apartments, in which many residents would have | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
experienced running water and indoor bathrooms for the first time. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
Here was an environment designed to create conditions | 0:24:22 | 0:24:25 | |
for social cohesion and harmony. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
Keith, this is such an evocative space. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
What do you think it would have been like living here back in the '30s, '40s, '50s? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
In the '30s, '40s, '50s | 0:24:46 | 0:24:48 | |
I think you would've imagined or experienced the diversity of people | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
who are poor and working-class people. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
In one apartment you may have smelled kosher food, | 0:24:57 | 0:25:01 | |
but across the hall you would smell fried chicken. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
And so it was the people from down south, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
immigrants who came to America, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
who are all finding a place to settle and to ultimately call home. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
This is a melting pot. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:16 | |
It sounds so full of promise. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
What happened to make this block a derelict shell? | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
The planners had overlooked the tension | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
between the group and the individual. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
Unlike the egalitarian communities of monks, Shakers and Twin Oaks, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
these blocks began to have huge disparities of wealth. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
As money from drugs offered a few an easy way to get ahead | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
and crime soared, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:47 | |
public housing became part of the problem, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
rather than the solution. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
You could have, in one apartment, a working-class family, a janitor, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
a nurse and four children, and a pretty stable family. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
Next door to that you could've had someone that was | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
totally depending on social services. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
Perhaps across the hall | 0:26:09 | 0:26:10 | |
you could've had someone that was selling drugs, | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
and they were probably faring best out of everyone in the community. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
But the impact of it all devastated public housing. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
By the 1970s, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
Chicago's housing projects were no-go areas controlled by gangs | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
like the Black Gangster Disciples. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
And, ironically, Keith believes it might have been the very strength | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
of community ties that aggravated the descent into dystopia. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
Because it was a community, people looked out for each other, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
not realising the level of devastation that drugs were having | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
on the community, the selling of drugs. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:53 | |
I mean, if you look here, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
over this wall would have been a dresser or a wardrobe | 0:26:55 | 0:27:00 | |
that covered this, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:01 | |
but when the police would come looking for the drug dealer | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
they shifted it so that you could escape your apartment | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
and go to the next apartment. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
Well, that would seem to be a great idea - | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
to look out for your community - | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
but what was it absolutely doing to the community? | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
It was tearing it apart. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
In the 1990s, the city authorities had had enough - | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
they dispersed residents into mixed-income neighbourhoods | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
and tore down the projects. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
This last derelict block will be converted into a national public-housing museum. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
What an incredibly atmospheric place this is. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
To think that it was once such a good place to so many people, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
people coming in from all over the States to join a community. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
But it wasn't, by all means, just a good place, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
it was a place with its problems and with its challenges. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
Some of them insurmountable. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:56 | |
The projects were utopian | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
in their attempt to take people of very different backgrounds | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
out of poverty. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
But a good place of public housing simply couldn't address all | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
of the social issues of a complex and changing inner city. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
But at least the intention here was benevolent. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
What if the utopian ideology is not so well-intentioned... | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
..if it's all turned on its head | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
and the utopia is dreamt up by a megalomaniac individual | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
with a rigid view on solving all social issues | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
in the most brutal and final way possible? | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
There's no doubt it's somebody's utopian vision, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
but it certainly isn't mine. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
It's vast, it's ambitious, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
but I can't help but wonder, where's the human in all this? | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
Where's the human scale? | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
To walk down this avenue | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
would make you feel tiny, almost irrelevant, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
constantly flanked by these overbearing buildings. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
You get down into this ceremonial plaza | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
with these vast superhuman figures | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
towering over you, | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
gather with 180,000 people, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
in the biggest building on earth to hear one voice. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
Utopian vision, but at what cost? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
HE SPEAKS GERMAN | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
Adolf Hitler dreamed of making Berlin the capital of the world. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
Welthauptstadt Germania - | 0:30:11 | 0:30:13 | |
a grand metropolis centred around the 7km avenue | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
running north to south, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
with the vast Volkshalle at its end, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
its dome 16 times larger than Saint Peter's in Rome. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
Hitler obsessed over the models, based on his own sketches. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
Throughout the war, as Allied bombs flattened the real city, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
he'd make torchlight visits at night to pore over his utopian toy town. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
Meanwhile, tens of thousands of prisoners | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
died in SS-run labour camps, | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
quarrying the granite needed to build the Nazi fantasy capital. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
For years after the war, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
local residents were unsure what this block of concrete was doing | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
amid a quiet Berlin suburb. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:11 | |
But geologists knew - | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
here was a strange remnant of Hitler's utopia. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
These are the final material remains of a Nazi vision of a Germania | 0:31:20 | 0:31:26 | |
that was going to last for 1,000 years. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:29 | |
12,000 tonnes of concrete towering over you | 0:31:29 | 0:31:33 | |
like a nightmarish tombstone. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
Built by forced French labour, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
it runs deeper underground than it does above. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:42 | |
It was intended to test the ability of the soil of Berlin | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
to bear the weight of the biggest triumphal arch ever conceived. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
A triumphal arch for a utopian vision that thankfully failed. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
The other great utopian experiment of the 20th century | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
was Soviet communism. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
This ideology had its origins in Karl Marx's utopian vision | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
of a workers' revolution and common ownership of the means of production. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
The Soviet utopia also attempted to reprogram society | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
through design and architecture. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
This is Lithuania. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
What's fascinating, I think, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:34 | |
about the Soviet-era buildings left here is what they reveal about | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
the regime's preoccupations about how the individual should live | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
and what they should care about in a socialist utopia. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
From the 1970s, we get this. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
A futuristic, exuberant statement in concrete. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
The Palace of Concerts and Sports is a landmark of Communist modernism, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
shouting about the virtues of fitness and health as ways to perfect | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
the Soviet citizen. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
It's a bit bonkers, but I like it. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
There's something incredibly organic about this Brezhnev-era building, | 0:33:26 | 0:33:30 | |
this temple to sport. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
You've got these kind of gills down the side of it | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
made out of this textured concrete. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
It's like coral. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:40 | |
The broken panes of glass are almost like shed fish scales. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:45 | |
You've got organic marks left by the wood shuttering | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
to build the concrete structure. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
It's like a creature rearing out of the sea, | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
a massive celebration of the monumental achievements | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
of Soviet athletes. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Outside Vilnius, in a small town called Druskininkai, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
lie the ruins of another Soviet utopian project. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
In this place of spas and sanatoria, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
workers could come for treatment, paid for by the state | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
that wanted to keep them productive - and probably happier - for longer. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
The abandoned Spa Nemunas dates from the 1980s. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
It would once have accommodated thousands of guests. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
Across the Soviet Union, there were hundreds of these spa towns. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
This particular spa town in Lithuania | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
used to get almost 500,000 visitors a year. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
There is something somewhat pathetic about this place today, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
but it's not a massive leap of imagination to picture it | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
teeming with families enjoying their summer holidays. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:10 | |
Those who had come here having worked in arduous industries like mining | 0:35:11 | 0:35:15 | |
might get a fortnight away to enjoy the Black Sea, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
mud baths and the saunas and the whirlpools. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
The fruits of a Soviet utopian vision of working together, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
but also playing together. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
Housing the workers was another key drive of the Soviet project. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
This is the Lazdynai estate, on the outskirts of Vilnius. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
In creating this complex of three-bedroomed apartments, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
the local Lithuanian architects expressed a little freedom | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
from central Russian control... | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
..innovating the site of blocks to fit around the local woodland. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
The estate went on to win the 1974 Lenin Prize for Architectural Design | 0:36:02 | 0:36:07 | |
for the whole of the Soviet Union. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
They called estates like this micro districts, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
as they had all the facilities of a town in one place. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
They were also known as sleeping districts, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
as this was where workers came to sleep | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
before getting up and going back to work. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
So the main idea was, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
in order to feel comfortable, besides apartment, | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
you need a school, you need a kindergarten, you need a playground, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
you need a swimming pool, cinema, shops and so on. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
So it sounds wonderful, but when people moved in, | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
did they find that living here was quite as perfect as the architects | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
might have imagined? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:53 | |
People were quite astonished, you know, | 0:36:53 | 0:36:55 | |
"Why is it located so far away?" | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
It is in the middle of nowhere, | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
so it was a problem to get to work. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
As well, as the time was passing, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
people were disappointed with the quality. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
Like the walls were not straight, | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
the windows were very bad, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
the whole construction wasn't regular. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
There was even a joke that it was really a difference | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
if the building was built in a summer or in the winter. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
Because in the winter it is cold, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
so architects and the builders were working very fast, | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
so the quality was much lower. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
So sometimes in the West there's a bit of a reductive view of the Soviet Union - | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
it was all bad, everything was awful. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
But actually, for the people who lived here, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
what do you think their view might be today? | 0:37:44 | 0:37:46 | |
The life was simpler, we can say. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
You could imagine, a person finishes school - school is free. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
A person goes to university - university is free. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:58 | |
A person is getting free health care. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
And then he gets married | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
and he has work, so he is given an apartment for free. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
So it's not like now - | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
you spend all your life earning for the apartment. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
But you have already apartment and you can earn for something else. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
What is a utopia? | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
Is it no place? | 0:38:27 | 0:38:28 | |
Well, this was definitely someplace. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
The architecture, OK, it's looking a bit tired, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
but it's southward-facing balconies, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
it's a short walk into the woods, | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
there's little community notice boards outside each block. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
You get the sense that this is a vibrant, alive community, still. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
Today, some might say that to be utopian means to be naive. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:54 | |
Utopia is an impossible and noble dream. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:56 | |
We look back on previous utopian escapades, like Soviet communism, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
and conclude that they were just pie in the sky - | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
possibly well-meaning, but staggeringly open to manipulation. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
But is there a danger in taking such a view? | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
Utopian visions rise and fall, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
but what makes them interesting, I think, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
and perhaps valuable, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
is their ability to inspire radical and innovative new design. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
On a pilgrimage to find utopia, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
sometimes you find staging posts in the most unexpected places. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
Attempts to build something better that might not have worked in | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
themselves, but the drive behind them can still be celebrated. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
They might not look like much, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
clustered here in a disused army base in New Jersey, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
but these are the ruins of an idea from a utopian architect | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
who designed some of the most revolutionary and efficient structures of the 20th century. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
I'm an explorer in structures. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
I'm interested in the fundamental principles | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
by which nature holds her shapes together. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
Richard Buckminster Fuller was, to put it mildly, unconventional. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
He was kicked out of Harvard twice, he went bankrupt in his 30s, | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
and, reeling from personal tragedy - | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
the death of his infant daughter from spinal meningitis - | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
he devoted himself to an extraordinary experiment - | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
how much could he contribute to changing the world | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
and helping humanity in the life left to him? | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
-ARCHIVE: -This genius led to many early disappointments and frustrations... | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
Fuller was horrified by newsreel of the London Blitz in 1940, | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
and he dreamt up a whole new way of housing the displaced. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
Passing a Midwest grain silo one day, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
he had a eureka moment, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
and built what he called the Dymaxion Deployment Unit, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
or DDU, to rehouse a family of up to four people. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
Fuller coined the term dymaxion, a combination of dynamic, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
maximum and tension, to sum up what he wanted to achieve - | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
maximum gain of advantage from minimal energy input. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:35 | |
These DDUs are imaginary leaps into the future. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:49 | |
How do you house people who've been bombed out of their homes? | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
You put them into these miniature grain silos. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
And the detail is amazing. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
It's sort of machine-age stuff. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
These portholes, amazing design, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
Bakelite windows, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:04 | |
like something from a spaceship or possibly a submarine. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
And then this layer of insulation all the way round the building | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
and through the roof, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
built-in shelving units. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
You've even got a built-in electricity system. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
It's astonishing. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
And the gorgeous roof, it's like a flower opening. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
And there used to be a self-regulating air ventilation system. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
It's a beautiful and useful solution. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
To get the military on board, | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
Fuller supposedly parked one of these outside the Pentagon in 1941. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
The military did buy a few hundred. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
There are said to be mysterious tin sheds in disused American bases | 0:42:46 | 0:42:50 | |
all over the world. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:51 | |
These tired but beautifully organic buildings | 0:42:54 | 0:42:58 | |
have these lovely little details, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
like almost human eyes with little eyelashes. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
But they're mass-produced goods, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
hundreds of them manufactured quickly and cheaply. | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
They could be erected in a day by two people, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
flown in anywhere in the world. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
Minimum resources for maximum impact. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
For years, nobody knew what these units here were. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
The scorched ones were used for munitions testing. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
A sad end for this project, perhaps, | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
but Fuller had many other influential ideas. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Buckminster Fuller's utopian legacy has been profound, | 0:43:41 | 0:43:45 | |
shaping architectural thinking today, | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
in particular with his concern for the preciousness of the planet's | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
resources and space. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:53 | |
-ARCHIVE: -Buckminster Fuller's revolutionary super-city | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
is a huge but graceful angular floating platform. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
Like most of Fuller's ideas, it has a mathematical feel about it. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
This is designed so that we can take a whole | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
complex out of the little mobile homes, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:14 | |
and a giant crane would pick these up off the water, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
and they could be slid in here. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
This is the Triton City project. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:21 | |
Yeah, this is the Triton City project. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
The architect Shoji Sadao | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
was a long-term collaborator with the man he affectionately calls Bucky. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
It would require about 5,000 inhabitants | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
to really form a community. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:38 | |
It was a project based on the fact that | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
most of the large urban cities in the US | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
are near large bodies of water, | 0:44:43 | 0:44:46 | |
and rather than trying to build on the land | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
around these bodies of water, | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
you create your own land by these floating platforms. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:55 | |
This is a very young you and Buckminster Fuller. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
Yes, this is Bucky and me in front of the Southern Illinois University Religious Center. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:04 | |
The Southern Illinois University Religious Center is a classic example | 0:45:04 | 0:45:09 | |
of Buckminster Fuller's most famous invention - | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
the geodesic dome. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
This is the architectural structure that can enclose the most space | 0:45:14 | 0:45:18 | |
with the least material, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:19 | |
and it's conquered the world. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
Domes dot the globe, | 0:45:22 | 0:45:23 | |
including the monumental US Pavilion at Montreal's Expo 67, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:28 | |
and the aviary at Queen's Zoo in New York. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
Shoji explains the engineering principles. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
What you're doing is you're making equilateral triangles here. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
If you have five triangles around this vertex... | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
If you have six it'll be flat | 0:45:47 | 0:45:49 | |
and it won't form into a sphere, | 0:45:49 | 0:45:51 | |
but by using just five around the point | 0:45:51 | 0:45:54 | |
you begin to make a spherical shape. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
Ah, so once you've done the first row it kind of builds itself. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:01 | |
Keeping these vertexes always at the same distance from the common centre, | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
we begin to get then spherical triangles. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
The triangles are, Fuller realised, strengthened, not weakened, | 0:46:08 | 0:46:11 | |
by adding more. | 0:46:11 | 0:46:13 | |
They interlock and support each other. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
The triangle is a structurally stable shape, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
whereas a square can be distorted, you know. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:23 | |
By triangulating, you built a very strong structure. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:28 | |
Here you are. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:29 | |
-Very nice. Wow. -Yeah, you built a sphere. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
It's so strong. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
It is, yeah. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:37 | |
Strong and efficient. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
Fuller's concept of the geodesic dome is now being considered | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
as the basis for habitats on the Moon and Mars. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
Norman Foster's architectural practice | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
has been deeply involved in these dreams of the future. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:05 | |
He met Buckminster Fuller in the 1970s, | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
was captivated, and eventually employed him. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
Even at the point just before his death, | 0:47:10 | 0:47:13 | |
he was one of the youngest people that I've ever met, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
in spirit, in thinking. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
He drew attention to the fragility of the planet. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
He's arguably the first green architect, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
before green was ever invented as a kind of, you know, buzzword. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
I think I detect a little bit of influence | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
of the geodesic dome elements of some of your buildings. | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
-Is that fair? -The one over there has... -THEY BOTH LAUGH | 0:47:37 | 0:47:40 | |
The idea of using triangulation, of distributing forces, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:46 | |
of creating light and lightness, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
touching the ground lightly, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
using materials more economically, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
to create something which is inherently more beautiful | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
and inspired by nature. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:00 | |
And, actually, paradoxically, looks quite fragile, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:05 | |
but is stronger, and doing more with less. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
You seem to share this interest in waste not, want not. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
That you can make efficient use of material. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:15 | |
Yes. I mean, you have 1.6 billion | 0:48:15 | 0:48:19 | |
without access to clean water, energy, power - | 0:48:19 | 0:48:24 | |
how do you address these issues? | 0:48:24 | 0:48:25 | |
If you take a city, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:27 | |
you've probably got one department | 0:48:27 | 0:48:29 | |
which is devoted to waste and possibly | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
using landfill to get rid of the waste. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
You've probably got another division of the city about generating energy. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
Really, if you put those two things together, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
you can burn the waste to create energy. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
And it's kind of Bucky-style thinking. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
Foster & Partners has designed hundreds of futuristic buildings | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
and structures across the world. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
From the Reichstag Cupola | 0:48:57 | 0:48:59 | |
to the Millau Viaduct, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:00 | |
and a new Apple campus, | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
grand utopian dreams are very much alive here. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
I think, to practise architecture, you're planning for the future. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:11 | |
You're looking far ahead. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
So you're trying to work with an environment, anticipating change. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:19 | |
So, in that sense, you have to be an optimist. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:22 | |
So optimism, utopianism, I mean, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
the words overlap. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:27 | |
We find that way of thinking much more in Asia now. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
I mean, if you take Hong Kong, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
the airport is embedded in the middle of the city. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
It's folklore, you know, the aircraft are coming in | 0:49:41 | 0:49:43 | |
scooping washing off the balconies. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
And they've got no land, they've got sea, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
so they take an island, chop it down, | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
get the biggest dredging fleet in the world, | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
make a site bigger than Heathrow and do an extraordinary airport. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:57 | |
That is the kind of thinking that was perhaps exported | 0:49:57 | 0:50:03 | |
from here from the 19th century. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
And that 19th century was a utopian vision because there was | 0:50:05 | 0:50:10 | |
a belief in a better future. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
While the utopian architect envisages extraordinary transformations, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:22 | |
grand plans on a global scale, | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
I still wonder which utopia works best to actually live in every day. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:29 | |
Where can we best navigate that tension between the big vision, | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
the rules of the group and the freedom of an individual? | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
Who knows? | 0:50:38 | 0:50:39 | |
Might the answer lie in a place that many of us routinely dismiss | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
as dull and suburban? | 0:50:43 | 0:50:44 | |
Perhaps it's time to put aside prejudices and look afresh | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
at a garden city in the English Home Counties. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
Could this be the unlikely utopia that has it all? | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
The garden city movement was the brainchild of Ebenezer Howard, | 0:51:05 | 0:51:09 | |
a 19th century visionary who came at the questions of how we should live | 0:51:09 | 0:51:13 | |
by rejecting the overcrowding and pollution of big-city life. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:17 | |
In the process, he helped give us the roundabout... | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
..and the cul-de-sac. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
Howard had experienced country life in rural Nebraska | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
and the difficulties of the city when, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
as a reporter, he'd watch Chicago recovering | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
from the great fire of 1871. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:41 | |
In his book, Garden Cities Of Tomorrow, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:45 | |
he envisaged new places to live, | 0:51:45 | 0:51:47 | |
where people would be attracted by the magnet of the best of town | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
and country mixed in one place. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
As the Times wrote in a review of the book, | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
"The only difficulty is to create such a city." | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
But that's a small matter to utopians. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
So this is one of our stores where we keep most of our plans. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
Vicky Axell is curator of the Garden City Collection. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
Oh, wow. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
So, following on from Howard's influential book, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
the first garden city estate starts to be built. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
You can see that it's a very green space, | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
and everything is based around sunshine and light. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:28 | |
It should be harmonious and organic. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
Howard was extremely precise in his vision of the garden city. | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
6,000 acres of rural land was to be purchased, | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
with 1,000 set aside for the city | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
and the population was not to exceed 32,000. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
The roads would be wide and laid out in a radial pattern. | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
So here we have the plans so far in 1910. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
So it's seven years into the garden city. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
The striking thing is all the roundabouts. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
By not having a grid layout, | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
essentially when lots of roads meet they need something that's going | 0:53:07 | 0:53:10 | |
to help manoeuvre traffic and people around. | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
So they come up with the roundabout, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
and early on they have to have signs to remind people to keep left, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
because people are either driving straight over the top | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
or going the wrong way round. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
Letchworth was part of the enlightened late-19th-century trend | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
away from terraced housing, because one of its planners, Raymond Unwin, | 0:53:25 | 0:53:30 | |
calculated that back-to-back terraced streets | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
were not an efficient use of space. | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
Why so many cul-de-sacs? | 0:53:36 | 0:53:38 | |
It's based on Raymond Unwin's paper, | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
Nothing Gained By Overcrowding. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
It says if you have just one road that enters | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
then you can have these lovely radial gardens | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
in that same square acreage, | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
and you can fit more houses and more garden space and therefore | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
get a better quality of life out of the same space. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
And that's so counterintuitive - | 0:53:53 | 0:53:54 | |
the cul-de-sac allows you to make more use of your real estate. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
And it's all about the gardens. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
And the workers can grow food and they can help support themselves. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:02 | |
How wonderful. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:03 | |
We might be used to it now, but in its early years, | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
Letchworth was more than an innovative built environment - | 0:54:10 | 0:54:14 | |
every new citizen was a shareholder, | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
and self-sufficiency was prized. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
This was seen at the time as a utopian experiment, | 0:54:19 | 0:54:22 | |
promoting new-fangled ideas and bohemian lifestyles. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:26 | |
The majority of people come here for jobs. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
But there's a small minority of people, I can illustrate here. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:35 | |
Some people just wanted to follow that utopian vision | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
and create a new way of living, | 0:54:40 | 0:54:42 | |
and they were the simple lifers, they were known as at the time, | 0:54:42 | 0:54:45 | |
but known also as cranks - not my term. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
People who were rational dress wearers | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
and vegetarians and socialists, and sometimes all three. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
And they were attracted by this new utopia. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:59 | |
Caricatures like this depict the cranks as objects of fascination for | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
sightseers from London, coming up for the day to gawp at them. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:10 | |
How astonishing to think that 100 or so years later | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
a lot of these sort of at the time cranky behaviours | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
are really quite normal. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
To be a vegetarian is totally fine. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
-That's right. -To be radical politically is acceptable, | 0:55:22 | 0:55:26 | |
but the diversity of voices that are tolerated here actually allows | 0:55:26 | 0:55:31 | |
-this utopian vision to survive? -Yeah, that's right. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
I mean, I think it was a place where people could speak out and not | 0:55:35 | 0:55:39 | |
be afraid to say what they believed in. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
Where Letchworth led, others have followed. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
There have been more than 30 similar community cities built in Britain | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
from Wythenshawe to Milton Keynes. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
Ebenezer Howard's utopian vision of Letchworth, over 100 years old, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:09 | |
is still kind of evident here. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
These intimate streets that flow off grand avenues, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
with their beautifully tended gardens, | 0:56:14 | 0:56:18 | |
seem to suggest that this is a community that really cares | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
about its environment still. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
A survey that was conducted in 2015 found that only 3% | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
of the population were unhappy. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
Maybe their lawn mowers were broken. | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
As utopias go, | 0:56:35 | 0:56:36 | |
perhaps garden cities set a lower bar than the strictures of monastic life | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
or mass housing projects, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
be they socialist or capitalist. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
Yet garden cities might provide a kind of utopia | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
that works on the human scale, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:52 | |
helping to build a sense of community | 0:56:52 | 0:56:54 | |
while still offering privacy, freedom and space. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
And they do seem to have been flexible enough | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
to adapt to changing times. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
But the question remains, | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
could garden cities ever really be built | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
on the scale that would meet the need for decent housing for all, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
so often felt most acutely in towns and cities? | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
What's struck me on this journey through some of the built utopias | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
of the world is how attractive some of the values are of those | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
who've fought for them and lived in them. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
A rebuke to our atomised, fast buck, me first capitalist culture. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:39 | |
Many are communities with ideas about sharing, | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
looking out for the environment and working together | 0:57:42 | 0:57:45 | |
in a common endeavour. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:46 | |
Even amid the failures, | 0:57:46 | 0:57:48 | |
there's something noble about this striving for utopia. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:52 | |
It seems to me to show off a better side of our humanity. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:57 | |
In the next episode... | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
I'm going to go see the northern lights. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
..the search for the utopia within. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
Oh, that's beautiful. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
Authenticity... | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
Qawwali music is a cosmic quest in search of the beloved. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:17 | |
..the craving for perfection... | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
I think it's really beautiful. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:20 | |
You could call it the ah-ha moment - that moment when you go "wow". | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 | |
..the moment of transcendence. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
If I'm reading the crowd I can build, like, an entire emotion. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:30 |