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Utopias come, and utopias go. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
In this series, we've explored these visions of a good place | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
as blueprints for future societies, | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
and as new ways of living. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
Grand designs and experimental communities that have often failed. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:20 | |
But is there another path to utopia? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
Smaller, more human in scale. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
A spark of creativity, a moment of perfection. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
A sense of transcendence. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
Can we find utopia within? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
Is utopia, after all, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
just a state of mind? | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
In this episode I turn the camera on perhaps the most intriguing aspect | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
of our relationship with utopia - | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
how we relate to the idea as individuals. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
This is not about the utopia of the future | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
but about the utopia of now. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
I think it's really beautiful and very powerful. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
You could call it the a-ha moment. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:04 | |
That moment where you go, "Wow." | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
The ways we've created to immerse ourselves in a better moment. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
If I'm reading a crowd I can build, like, an entire emotion. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
To push the boundaries of art and expression, to find authenticity. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:22 | |
People being more expressive, more loving, more argumentative, | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
more whatever. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
It's about how the belief in better pushes us to be all that we can be. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:33 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
If we want to find utopia, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
perhaps we first need to understand what happens | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
when grand utopian visions fail. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
With the Velvet Revolutions of 1989 | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
followed by the rapid collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
it seemed to many Western minds that Eastern Europe had suddenly awoken | 0:02:09 | 0:02:14 | |
from the utopian dream - or nightmare - of socialism. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
But I think that the toppled statues | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
gathered here in a park in southern Lithuania | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
reveal a fascinatingly complex story | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
about our relationships with utopia. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
These are symbols of what was once envisaged as a paradise of equality | 0:02:33 | 0:02:39 | |
and the power of collective effort. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
But it was a utopia that crumbled. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
The economy stagnated, party power was often arbitrary and corrupt, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
and many people felt that they were not given sufficient freedom. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
And yet, as the old system was swept away, was something lost? | 0:02:55 | 0:03:00 | |
Deimantas Narkevicius is a Lithuanian artist. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
Originally trained under the Soviet regime, | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
he gained growing international attention | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
when he captured the strange emptiness left behind | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
when Soviet landmarks were suddenly removed. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
I was aware that the city would look different | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
when the objects will be gone, | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
and I wanted really to document | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
their last moment. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:37 | |
In his 2016 work, Doubled Youth, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
Deimantas recorded the removal of 1950s socialist realist statues | 0:03:42 | 0:03:48 | |
from a bridge in central Vilnius. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
This lack of cultural sensitivity | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
to understand that when the political regime is gone, | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
the art objects produced during that regime | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
does not automatically represent that regime. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
It becomes cultural objects. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
You seem to be suggesting | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
that we still need to respect the cultural output? | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
Through culture we understand history richer and more complex. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:21 | |
Deimantas takes me to the bridge | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
to see what's become of the now post-utopian space. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
So when the sculptures were taken down, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
the four plinths were standing empty | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
and they were looking really provocative | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
because they were suggesting that there was something there, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
obviously, and it's something supposed to be there, | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
and, I think, for a while there was even an attempt | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
to use them for a car advertisement. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
It didn't work because I think people started to protest | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
because it looked very vulgar. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:00 | |
And then arrived these pots, with the flowers. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
I think there will be debates coming. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
What to do with these empty plinths in the future? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
So it strikes me that there's a kind of hunger now | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
for more socially aware kind of art to appear back on the bridge. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
Do you see it that way? | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
Well, partly, yes, | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
because I think we should understand that the society | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
was pretty poor during even the post-socialist period, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
and they were really eager to get, you know, better off, you know, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
like get cars and clothing and houses and so on. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
But I think now, 25 years later, they've got that. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
And people think, what is next? What is the vision? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
Because nobody was thinking about kind of the future. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
They were thinking about the past. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
-So, we're kind of missing utopian vision? -I think so. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
Plinths... | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
with flowerpots on top of them. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
They appear to be metaphors for our society nowadays. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
Perhaps a little short on grand shared aspirations. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
Communal utopian ideologies seem to have failed or faded. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
We're left to shape our own lives but we're still searching | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
for that good place, trying to find our own utopias | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
in our own countless ways. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
Perhaps the most commonly held utopian dream today | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
is the idea that you can buy your way to happiness. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
You can buy your way to a better place. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
It's the utopia of consumption. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
We've long been bombarded by advertising | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
with the simple message - purchases make you happy. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
Buying things gives you freedom, choice and control | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
in ways that the socialist utopias could never match. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
But is a consumerist utopia, in its own way, just another illusion? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:07 | |
How much freedom or control do we really have when our desires | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
are constantly stimulated but can never be sated? | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
As new products become available, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
there's always something else to buy. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
If only I had a bigger telly, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
a flatter telly, a curved telly, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
a 3D telly, a telly with surround sound, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
then I would be in a good place. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
But, of course, it's a myth. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
The good place of consumption always lies just, just, just beyond reach. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:37 | |
We never quite get there. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
This spectacle of capitalism and consumerism that we live amongst, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:46 | |
is cheating us into thinking we can find our way to happiness | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
through purchasing. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
On the face of it, the digital revolution, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
the massive technological shift we're living through today | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
seems to promise yet more of that consumerist spectacle. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
More than 3 billion of us now live our daily lives hooked to screens | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
that are so often seeking to sell us ever more goods. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Now we can access the promise of a consumerist utopia | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
at the click of a button. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
But is there a more positive story to tell about the digital world? | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Can it empower us, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
be about more than just consumption? | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Many digital spaces have been imagined to allow us to create | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
and, just as importantly, control our own utopias. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
So this is actually the computer we created Civilisation on. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
Sid Meier, creator of Civilisation, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
is one of the great innovators of the digital revolution. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:55 | |
You had to put eight different disks into your computer | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
and copy them over onto your hard drive before you could play. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
He pioneered open world strategy games, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
as personal computers filled homes across the planet | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
in the early 1990s. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Civilisation. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
I'm ready. I can do it. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
"BUILDING NEW WORLD." All in caps. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
In Meier's game, you create your perfect world digitally | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
from the comfort of your own home, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
leading a people from the dawn of time to the space age. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
I'm very touched that you chose to call your tribe the English. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
You're welcome. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:35 | |
The desire to create perfect digital worlds has proved popular. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
In the last 25 years, Civilisation and its sequels | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
have sold over 40 million copies. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
And so it falls upon you to fill our people's true destiny. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
Under your leadership, we shall surely prosper. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
From the seeds of this small settlement | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
shall you grow our empire. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
Our people await your command. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
I think there are some real comparisons | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
between certain utopian urges, | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
the desire to explore, to contest, | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
to protect whatever utopian vision it is that one has | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
and the game Civilisation. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
-Do you agree? -I've never actually looked at it that way, | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
but now that you mention it I can see the parallels. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
In a utopia, I think we'd expect technology to progress | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
and technology to bring us advances and a better life. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
I think we'd expect nations to communicate with each other | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
and work together. I think we'd expect exploration, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
I think we'd expect to explore our planet, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
and, after that, explore the solar system and the universe around us | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
so, although Civ wasn't really designed | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
with the idea of utopia in mind, | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
I think many of the processes that are part of the game | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
would be part of a utopia. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
To ensure the safety of our borders | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
we must defeat the enemy at its source. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
In playing Civilisation, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
there can be quite a desire to defend your ideal utopian society | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
that you're building. There's something very human about that. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
I do think the players get invested in what they create | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
because they know it's unique - | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
they've designed it, they've built it, | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
they've made all the decisions that went into getting to this point. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
So there's a strategy we call turtling, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
which is just protecting what you've built because you're really invested | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
in it and want to keep it safe from all the forces of the world that are | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
trying to take it away from you. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
There is aggressive expansion, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
conquer the world strategy. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
There are also cultural victories | 0:11:50 | 0:11:52 | |
or wonder victories. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
If you can build these great wonders you can win the game. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
Or if you can bring on world peace | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
that's another way of winning the game. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Truly we have achieved a golden age | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
of peace and cooperation. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
Civ has gone from being just a game | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
to people really thinking that it represents a version | 0:12:11 | 0:12:16 | |
of the real world and now they start to think, you know, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
"I'd really like the world to be a peaceful place and want to try that | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
"strategy because it's not just a game on my computer." | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
It's kind of a representation of what could happen in the world | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
and that brings a whole different type of thinking. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
That whole new type of thinking | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
could be key to building tomorrow's utopias. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
Look around you. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
The monuments to the old ways of utopian thinking are everywhere. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
Religious salvation, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
empire-building - | 0:12:50 | 0:12:51 | |
the powerful have shaped our world. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
But now perhaps for the first time in human history, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
the common man and woman have been given the chance to design and share | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
their own utopias on a global scale. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
Here in a refurbished tobacco warehouse in East London, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
young people gather not just to get lost in their own utopias but to use | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
digital tools to make a difference in the real world. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
I'm going to go and see the Northern Lights. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Oh, that's exceptionally beautiful. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
It's really very mellow. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:30 | |
There's a stick on the floor. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
I can pick it up. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:36 | |
So I am now holding a stick into a fire to see whether it burns. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
That's amazing. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:45 | |
I think the word digital has been misinterpreted | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
in this age as something that's unreal or untouchable, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
something you can't experience. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
For us it's something that's just in another medium. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
It may not be physically touchable | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
but the experiences that you can have with it are just as real. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
James Delaney is an architect and entrepreneur who uses the most | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
influential game of the last decade to give individuals the tools | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
to rebuild their real environment. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
Minecraft, originally a game aimed at children, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
started as a kind of digital Lego. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Players place and destroy blocks in an infinite world, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
limited only by their imagination. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
When you're building, could it be the case | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
that another member of your team is building in the same digital space? | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
-Yes. -At the same time. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
-And I think... -And can you see them working? | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
You can see them working and that doesn't sound like a big deal | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
but it makes the whole process responsive, | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
so every block you place then becomes a response to | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
what others are building around you. You're not alone. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
It's not designing a building from the point of view of a God | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
or some kind of disconnected view. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
You're actually in the worlds that you're building | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
and I think that really helps you think about how the space | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
is going to be experienced and used once you're finished. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
In 2013, James Delaney founded BlockWorks, | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
his company which democratises the architectural process, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
through Minecraft. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
In this UN-sponsored programme, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
BlockWorks introduced Minecraft to a poor community in Indonesia | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
so that they could work together in redesigning, and then rebuilding, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
their town square. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
So as part of the community consultation, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
we discussed their priorities for the space - | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
a playground for the children who didn't have a space to play, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
water fountains, fresh water. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
The elders of the village wanted to see | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
this traditional Javanese hut. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
This is all co-designed with the people | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
-who are going to end up living in the space? -Yes, absolutely. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
It comes from them. We... You know, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:51 | |
I give them a brief talk on the concept of public space | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
and different examples from around the world, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
but ultimately it's up to them what they want to see there. | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
And I think, you know, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:00 | |
this taps into a completely new way of thinking about public design, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
which is bottom-up. You know, the architect, as brilliant as he is... | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
..is often sort of autocratic in his design of public space, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
and it's his vision of what that space should be. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
But surely, public space which, you know, serves the community, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
the design of that and the experience of that | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
needs to come from the people who are going to use it. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
I can't help thinking that computing power and connectivity | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
are enabling extraordinary new ways | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
of engaging with and shaping the world, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
especially among the younger generations. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
New forms of digitally empowered utopianism, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
with roots back in hack culture. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
The idea of a bottom-up digital revolution isn't new. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
Hacking started as a way to find workarounds and cut-throughs | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
because of the limitations of early computing in the 1960s. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Often unfairly stereotyped and bracketed with cybercriminals, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
real hackers are not what you might expect. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Here at an international hacking event in Central London, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
200 of Europe's best student hackers have gathered | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
for a 24-hour hackathon... | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
..to find digital solutions to real-world problems | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
in one packed day. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
So, where are you guys all from? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
-I'm from New York. -I'm from Germany. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:41 | |
This event seems to be about the power of collaboration, | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
when it's unimpeded by power structures. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
I'm from India but I study in Edinburgh. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
What are you hacking? What's the theme? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
Are you picking up on a theme? | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
We are doing automated search and rescue for disaster situations. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
Essentially, the idea is to fly a drone over a big area, | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
and then we automatically recognise | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
where people are that need to be rescued. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
So, I'm kind of trying to get that to work. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
This is a recipe for real social good. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
You're not just adding knowledge to each other, | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
you're multiplying knowledge, right? | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
Yeah. I came here with like, "Well, I need some..." | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
With the idea. And I felt like, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:16 | |
"Well, on my own, this will take quite a bit of time to do | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
"because I have to acquire quite a bit of knowledge." | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
By taking it to a hackathon, you have the opportunity | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
to meet people with different knowledge backgrounds, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
and then putting everything together, | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
and I'm really accelerating this idea. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
So you've got a brilliant answer for the good of humanity, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
for social good. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Is there any interest - and be honest - in then trying to sell it? | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
The best part about this hackathon is we put all that aside. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
We say, "Let's just fix this, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:44 | |
"let's build the product, and then we'll worry about, you know, money | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
"or jobs or prestige or merit or, you know, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
-"acknowledgement." -Essentially it's fun first, business after. -Exactly. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
The media often represent hackers as loners, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
locked in their own obsessions. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
In fact, real hacking is about inventive teamwork. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
It's a revolutionary mode | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
of collaborative thinking and doing. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
There is that thing of you're learning together, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
you're building together, and you share it with each other, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
and open source communities and every thing like that. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
And it doesn't really matter | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
anything about who you are as a person, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
how you identify or anything like that. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
All of those things are kind of forgotten | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
when you're on a team together, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:27 | |
building anything. And that's really nice and it's not something | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
that I've seen many other places. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Hackathons, it's always... | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
You're all, at the end of the 24 hours, pretty wrought. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
And then go off to your far-flung corners of the world. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
To sleep. For a day. To sleep. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
But everybody's in the same position and that makes it really nice, | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
and everybody's here to do the same thing and build something cool. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Hackers are no isolated example. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
What they embody - the flattening of the world, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
the belief that the individual can make a difference | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
and that hierarchies cannot constrain creativity | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
and personal expression - | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
is part of a rich seam of utopian culture, | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
a deeper tradition that has shaped our history. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
Look closely and you see that the people have been revolting | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
for centuries. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
In St Mary's Parish Church in Worley, Lancashire, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
carved into the medieval choir seats, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
you find a much older kind of hacking. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
It's a bit of a weird puzzle. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
Why have we got profane imagery | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
sitting in a parish church in Lancashire? | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
Here we see a blacksmith, replete with all his tools... | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
..shoeing a goose. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
It's insane. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:08 | |
Under other seats, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:14 | |
we find a girl with a satyr. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:15 | |
A warrior being beaten by a woman with a pan. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
The pagan and the pious are mixed up in absurd juxtaposition. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
To understand these images, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
we need to understand the significance | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
in the medieval mind-set | 0:21:33 | 0:21:34 | |
of the carnival. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
Every year, at Shrovetide, before the abstinence of Lent, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
normal rules and hierarchies were hacked | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
during a period of utopian excess. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
It's a fleeting part of the year also captured by artists | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
like Pieter Bruegel the Elder | 0:21:54 | 0:21:55 | |
who depicts fun and frivolity | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
breaking out prior to the dreary grind of Lent | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
and the return to daily life. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
However alien to today, | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
the carnivals turning the world upside down is something | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
that Thomas Moore, author of the disruptive fiction Utopia, | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
would have been very familiar with. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
In the run-up to Easter, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
the world WAS turned upside down. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
Women would dress as men and men would dress as women. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
Social relations would become completely unruly, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
compared to the norm. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
People would drink in excess, | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
they'd be out on the street, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
they'd elect a king of fools. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:44 | |
The week of carnival was really important. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
It was a steam valve that allowed tensions that have built up | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
during the year to relax a little. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
But come the end of the week, | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
people were almost certainly longing for a return | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
to something a little more stable. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
In nearby Middleton, Greater Manchester, | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
this tradition of the citizens' utopia survives. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
# We will sing to you a song... # | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
This is the annual Pace Egg Play, a revival of medieval customs. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:25 | |
I am the bold Prince Regent! | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
-Oh, yeah? -Yes. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
I rule in this king's stead. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
And so I am his only heir... | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
for there's none upon his head. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
The players mock traditional authority figures. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
I've come to fight for old England's rights. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
Drop on the head, drop on the heart. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
Arise, arise. Most noble knight, arise | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
and no more dormant lay. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
It's a miracle! | 0:23:58 | 0:23:59 | |
TRUMPET BLOWS, CHEERING | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
At Easter, the play is taken through six local pubs... | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
Oh, is there a noble doctor to be found? | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
..becoming more and more slurred... | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
Champion of this deep and deadly world... | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
..more anarchic... | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
SLURRED SINGING | 0:24:22 | 0:24:23 | |
..and more ridiculous. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
# They say As you very well do know... # | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
-That's the wrong song. -It's the wrong song, yes. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:24:32 | 0:24:33 | |
-I love St John! -CROWD: -Hurray! | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
It might all seem frivolous, but there's a deeper purpose here. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
CROWD CHEER | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
Well, watching the Pace Egg today, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
it seems to me like anyone in authority is fair game. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
-Oh, absolutely. -Oh, yes. Things like this are an opportunity | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
for the downtrodden, as it were, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
to just get a little bit back, you know. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
It was always the case, wasn't it? | 0:24:55 | 0:24:56 | |
It was the holiday where | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
the people, the servants became in charge. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
And the... You know, the lords of | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
the manor waited on the servants, and they had their special day. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
And it's all that. It's turning things on their tail, and, you know, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
putting it back at the authority. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
# He's come o'er the sea Old England to view | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
# And he's come a Pace Egging with the whole of his crew! # | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
Well, Lancashire remains as loopy as it was when I was growing up, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
that's for sure. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
I kind of love this. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
The world is turned upside down at least one day a year in Middleton. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
The fools take over, the kings seem fall and rise again, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
the doctors are mocked, and these guys who are doing this, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
these Pace Eggers, they all understand that they are part | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
of a rich, old tradition of mocking power, laughing at authority, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
just to let off a little steam | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
before going back to the usual relations. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
The carnival is about coming together | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
and sharing a moment of freedom from everyday rules, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
breaking through inhibitions. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
It's an idea that has spurred counter cultures throughout history. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
Music has often been at the leading edge | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
of this revolt against the mainstream. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
In recent times, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
it's through musical innovation that downtrodden minorities have found | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
moments of escape and transcendence. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
MUSIC: Love Can't Turn Around by Farley "Jackmaster" Funk | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
In 1980s Chicago, that minority | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
was made up of often poor, black, gay men. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
They found a creative release by subverting established disco music, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
extending the best parts of songs | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
and mixing the beats with a distinctive baseline. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
This was house music, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
music designed to get you dancing all night long. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
It was not just blazing hot, but it was damp. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
You couldn't wipe the sweat away enough. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
People were really dancing | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
like their life depended on it, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
like there something in it for them beyond just a good feeling. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
You had a moment of absolute freedom. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
And as a teenager, that's a big deal. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
You know? And you're looking for a real experience? | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
It was the most real thing that I've ever run across. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
Charles Matlock was right there in the earliest days of house. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
He explains how in clubs, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
like the subterranean Muzic Box in downtown Chicago, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
there was a new utopian search for authentic experience, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
spawning the biggest youth revolution since the 1960s. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
They're largely marginalised communities that were part | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
of the scene then. So black kids, Latin kids, a large gay community. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
That was a gay club, so was The Power Plant. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
And so for straight kids to be going there, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
it really was something that... | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
You had gay friends and you knew it existed, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
but going to a place where you were in the minority | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
and realising that they're just people, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
and they're people that like partying the same as you, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
you realise that these kind of artificial lines that we make | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
between straight and gay, and black and white, and what have you, | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
they're really artificial | 0:28:24 | 0:28:25 | |
and they're boundaries that are made up by us, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
and if we don't choose to adhere to them, | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
they really, truly don't exist. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
-So the dance floor becomes a kind of melting pot where... -Absolutely. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
..music that is a product of a melting pot is celebrated | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
and brings communities together. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
It is truly one of those things that... | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
all you have to have in common with anybody else | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
is enjoying this music and wanting to dance to it. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
Were these clubs a kind of escape for the communities of | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
young people who were colliding inside them? | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
Absolutely. It did provide an escape | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
and also safe spaces, such that... | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
Again, straight kids go into a gay club, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
I'd never look over my shoulder and say, "Hey, you know, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
"is anybody who doesn't like me thinking about doing something | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
"harmful to me?" But members of the gay community certainly did. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
And so this was a place that they could have as their own | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
and be themselves and not have to worry about anybody... | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
Just the normal oppression that's part of the world. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
So that was definitely an escape for them from this. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:28 | |
But for all of us, it was an escape from... | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
just this normal world that isn't worried about what might you want. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
But it's a temporary release, right? | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
It's a temporary vision of a wonderful reality? | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
It is. It is. But... | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
better to have some time in this other dimension than no time. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
MUSIC: Voodoo Ray by A Guy Called Gerald | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
House offered a temporary utopia | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
that could be revisited again and again | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
and that successfully mutated across borders. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
Transnational, it needs no explanation or language. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
When it made its way across the Atlantic, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
it had a huge influence on British youth culture... | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
and on me. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:17 | |
One, two. One, two. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
I don't really know any of them shouting poems the young... | 0:30:25 | 0:30:29 | |
young ones do nowadays. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:30 | |
This is one of my heroes of house, | 0:30:33 | 0:30:36 | |
A Guy Called Gerald. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:37 | |
His house hit, Voodoo Ray, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
which he composed in a bedroom studio | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
and first played at Manchester's Hacienda club in 1988, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
defined a new era of dance music. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
It was an escape. It was somewhere I could go to | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
and people like me... | 0:30:55 | 0:31:00 | |
You go in through them doors, everything would just change. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
INDISTINCT | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
Your music and house music took me to a better place. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:16 | |
-On the dance floor. -Yeah, yeah. -And everybody around me | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
on the dance floor was temporarily in a better place. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
How do you feel when you see a dance floor erupt | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
and you see them come together and share this experience? | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
There's that part of a track and everyone is kind of getting it | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
at the same time, what it is. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:34 | |
Then, yeah, that is a utopia. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
Yo, make some noise! | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
You're looking in people's eyes, and they're like, you know, | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
they're having it, like, the same as you're like, "Wow." | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
You can't really buy it. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:49 | |
It's just like this tipping point. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
It's like this balance that everything, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
like, kicks in at the same time. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
If I'm reading a crowd and feeling what's going on, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
then it's like, you know, I can build, like, an entire emotion | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
just from the sounds that I've got available. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
Watching you on stage, you're in a mental space. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
So it's almost like a personal utopia. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
I do it on the bus. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:19 | |
Like, sometimes the person next to me wants to move, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
you know what I mean? Cos I just like... I just go off, probably. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
If I hit that sweet spot, eyes roll back and everything, I'm sure. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
-I need to seek help. -HE LAUGHS | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
A Guy Called Gerald. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:33 | |
The UK club scene embraced house music... | 0:32:36 | 0:32:39 | |
and added its own chemical enhancement. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:42 | |
With ecstasy prolonging the moment of euphoria, acid house was born. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:49 | |
MUSIC: Acamar by Frankey & Sandrino | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
With drugs and music combining | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
to create a form of individual and collective transcendence, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
there were echoes of the 1960s counterculture. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Back then, the pot-fuelled youth rebellion morphed into a new search | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
for the self through Eastern mysticism | 0:33:18 | 0:33:21 | |
and ever more exotic drugs. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
HE VOCALISES | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
But not all cultures have needed drugs to achieve | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
an out-of-body experience. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
This is qawwali, | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
the devotional music of Sufi Muslims, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
which has its roots in medieval-era Pakistan and India. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
What qawwali singers do | 0:33:56 | 0:33:57 | |
is they embody the idea | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
of taking themselves and | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
audiences on a spiritual journey. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
The central concept in qawwali is this idea called qalandri, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
which comes from the word qalandar. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Qalandars are dervishes. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
And the etymology of qalandar is those without limits or boundaries. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:32 | |
And in medieval texts, qalandars can read people's minds, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:38 | |
travel backwards in time and obliterate time and space. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
And what qawwali does is makes this its central concept. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:47 | |
So the music itself can take you into a similar kind of state? | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
-That's the idea. -Yeah. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
So the idea is that qawwali is like trance. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
During a qawwali concert, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
one singer recites poetry and religious phrases, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
using hand gestures... | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
..while a second singer improvises responses. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:11 | |
The music builds in intensity as the chorus sings a hypnotic refrain. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:23 | |
By entrancing listeners through being overwhelmed by the music, | 0:35:33 | 0:35:39 | |
their ego is dissolved, leaving a void. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
And once the void is created, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
it leaves space to be absorbed by divine dimensions. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:51 | |
Qawwali music is a cosmic quest | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
in search of the beloved, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
and more often than not the beloved is God. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Now, to leave the material world | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
and to enter the spiritual world | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
requires you to go through a spiritual station called barzakh, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:23 | |
which means "no place" or "inter-space". | 0:36:23 | 0:36:28 | |
So, Sufis had a concept | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
and a word for "no place", | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
200 years before Thomas Moore came up with the word utopia, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
meaning literally "no place". | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
Qawwali is utopian, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:43 | |
not just in the state it tries to induce | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
but in its communal endeavour. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:48 | |
Just like house, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:49 | |
this is music as individual and shared experience. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
This was not religion with a capital R. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
The Sufis were really about connecting with the common man, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
with the guy working in the fields, the guy living in the villages, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
to give the ordinary person some kind of spiritual nourishment, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
some kind of way of understanding their place in the universe. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
RHYTHMIC CLAPPING | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
But what if we don't have to escape via drugs or spiritualism at all? | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
What if the way to get to the good place of utopia | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
is to appreciate more fully | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
ordinary, everyday reality - | 0:37:38 | 0:37:40 | |
the wonder of the moment. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
THEY CLAP RHYTHMICALLY | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
This is clapping music, | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
written and here performed by the American composer | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Steve Reich. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Reich was inspired by traditional drumming patterns. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
One performer in each pair is providing the rhythm | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
while the other is clapping the same pattern | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
but phasing in and out of tempo. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
The result is one of the classics of pure minimalism. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:12 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
To imagine what people will feel | 0:38:24 | 0:38:25 | |
when you write a piece of music is impossible. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
Where you sit in a room, who you are, what you had for dinner, | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
all these things will enter into how you... | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
Even the same piece played... | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
The same piece played in another time and place. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
Music lives when it's played. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
Steve Reich has pushed musical boundaries | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
by encouraging audiences to focus on less. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
He simplifies music to its purist form | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
using repetition and also real world sounds as instruments. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
There is this constant set of astonishing innovations. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:06 | |
You've taken found sounds, you're looping, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
-you are effectively proto-sampling using tape loops. -Right. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
Well, the word "sampling" didn't exist when we did that, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
it was called tape loops, and tape this and tape that. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
And now when most people say tape, they think of Scotch tape. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
Audio tape is something that they may or may not have heard of, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
and certainly rarely seen. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
City Life, Reich's 1995 composition, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
uses found sound that he himself recorded in New York. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
With it, he asks us to cut through the chaos of the city noise and find | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
music and poetry in the everyday. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
The integration | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
of the sounds is basically the idea of marrying, if you will, | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
the found sound on the street - | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
the slam of the car door becomes the bass drum, say, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
and the air brakes - kshh! - becomes a crash cymbal, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
the Porsche horn becomes an oboe, | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
and so on and so forth. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
And I think that kind of thinking is what's in City Life, | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
where you take something that's not a musical sound and you think, | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
"What's the musical, you know, correlative of that?" | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
Reich's work is meditative, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
like house and qawwali, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:34 | |
but also technically demanding of musicians and audiences alike. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:39 | |
I get a sense with Reich of the restless explorer, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
a utopian testing of what's musically possible. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
Is your musical drive somehow utopian? | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
I think every artist who's the least bit serious... | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
..is slightly self-critical, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:57 | |
and therefore there is more in my trash basket | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
than there is in the finished piece. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
So that's certainly trying to make sure that you do your best. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
I think that striving to do the very best job that you can do is a very | 0:41:06 | 0:41:12 | |
good and fairly common human trait. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
I mean, I certainly hope that the sound man is trying to, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
and the cameraman, are trying to do the best that they can. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
Whether it's Steve Reich's music of the everyday world | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
or the lure of qawwali's higher spiritual plane, | 0:41:31 | 0:41:35 | |
this pursuit of utopia is all about | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
more fully experiencing a fleeting moment. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
It's about the utopia of the now. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
How do we get the best out of each moment, | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
and, as a result, out of ourselves? | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
For the Japanese, | 0:41:54 | 0:41:55 | |
one way to connect with the pure moment | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
is to represent it and express it through haiku, | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
the ancient art of extremely precise and brief poetry. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
"6am | 0:42:07 | 0:42:09 | |
"The cat's tongue in my ear." | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:42:13 | 0:42:14 | |
Sorry, that's disgusting. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:16 | |
-It's really good, though. -Yeah. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
Maximum impact with minimum words, | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
perfection using the fewest syllables. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
That's the utopian goal of these members of the British Haiku Society | 0:42:26 | 0:42:30 | |
meeting in Fleet Street, London. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
"Apple blossom | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
"The clenched fist of her infant, opening." | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
The image of the child's hand opening | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
but also like apple blossom opening, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
I think it's really beautiful and very powerful. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:45 | |
Haiku is a very short poem and its purpose is to capture a moment. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:53 | |
If you see something beautiful | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
and you describe that in some way | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
that lets the person who's reading it | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
know what you're feeling about it, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
that's a beautiful haiku. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
"First coffee | 0:43:04 | 0:43:05 | |
"The barista's overnight mascara." | 0:43:05 | 0:43:09 | |
That's a very sharp observation, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
and you know there's an untold story behind it. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
-Yeah. -And we all just imagine. -LAUGHTER | 0:43:13 | 0:43:17 | |
There are haiku that you just think, "Oh, of course!" | 0:43:17 | 0:43:22 | |
Or, "Oh, I know that feeling." | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
You could call it the a-ha moment, | 0:43:25 | 0:43:26 | |
that moment when you go, "Wow!" | 0:43:26 | 0:43:29 | |
"Bare, in your bathroom | 0:43:29 | 0:43:31 | |
"Another girl uses my rose petal mouthwash." | 0:43:31 | 0:43:34 | |
-VARIOUS: -Oooh! | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Achieving the a-ha moment comes with limitations. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:41 | |
"The sky is bluer | 0:43:41 | 0:43:43 | |
"Always on the other side. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:46 | |
"Up-chucking homeless." | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
The only problem with it, of course, is it's not a haiku moment. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
You've set yourself quite tight parameters. | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
Do you find that limiting or do you find it actually liberating? | 0:43:56 | 0:44:01 | |
It makes you think very hard. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:04 | |
And I think that's the joy of it, really. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:07 | |
So it's limiting, but it's limiting in a very thoughtful kind of way. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:13 | |
It's a bit like meditation. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
You're focusing on one thing. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:17 | |
"At quayside | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
"The fishermen casting out shadows." | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
Oh, that's great! | 0:44:22 | 0:44:24 | |
It seems to me that this is really very, very much | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
about living in a moment and being aware of the fact that we are | 0:44:29 | 0:44:34 | |
living in a moment. | 0:44:34 | 0:44:35 | |
One of the problems people have, I think, | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
is that they have this running commentary on their life, | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
and so when they're out and about, | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
what they're doing is actually thinking all the time of, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
you know, what the credit card limit is, | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
"What time is the train?", you know, | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
"Is that girl going to be there?" or whatever or whatever. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
Now, the haiku writer has to step back from that, | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
switch off the running commentary of your life. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
And I think that's why it's so popular with Zen Buddhists. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
-Absolutely. -Because the whole stuff about moments | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
and being in the now. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
It's being in that state of being aware. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
Do you feel that, after you're finished writing, | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
you go back into the real world... | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
..better, enriched, improved? | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
I think so, yes. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:25 | |
Because you're seeing things anew. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
Every time you write a good haiku, it's a small epiphany. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:34 | |
You've seen the world for what it is. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
Martin Lucas, who was | 0:45:37 | 0:45:39 | |
an outstanding haiku writer, who died recently, | 0:45:39 | 0:45:43 | |
he talked about haiku being the news! | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
You know, all the stuff that's happening on television, | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
that isn't the real news. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
The real news is haiku. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
If you read haiku, you get the truth. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
It's time for me to pursue epiphany. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
You need to bear in mind | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
I've never tried to write a haiku before this morning. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
I've come up with my own haiku about utopia. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
"No place, better place | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
"Imagine, contest, repeat | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
"The itch unscratched." | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
It's not... Well, it needs to be about a moment, really. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
And it's not, is it? | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
-No. -And it's got commas is in it. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
We don't do commas in haiku. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:30 | |
-Oh, we do sometimes. -Very occasionally, but not all those. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:33 | |
Yeah, but you're supposed to be listening to me read it, not... | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
You're reading over my shoulder! | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
OK. I might not be a haiku master, but I'm still struck by the haiku | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
writer's desire to record perfectly the moment's perfection. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:49 | |
Sometimes it's quite tragic what you're writing. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
It's something quite sad and moving. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
Sometimes it's hilarious. Sometimes it's beautiful and succinct. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
But it's always looking for something better. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
I think you're utopians. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
That kind of glimpse of a fleeting moment or of something in transition | 0:47:03 | 0:47:08 | |
actually reflects our relationship to utopia in that it's never | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
something that can be experienced completely, it's always glimpsed. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
Getting that glimpse of a better place that might just help us to be | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
better people. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
It seems to me that we try to unpack the significance of an observed | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
moment in many ways, | 0:47:28 | 0:47:29 | |
not just through poetry but through other art forms. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:33 | |
We love to be transported by storytelling, | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
and no more so than through drama. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
At multiplexes and in the theatres, | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
we're at home with our various screens. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
I think we seek out the truth of other people's experiences | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
in ways akin to reading a haiku. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
Here, we live vicariously through actors' experiences, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
moving out of ourselves and connecting emotionally. | 0:47:56 | 0:48:00 | |
People go to the theatre. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:02 | |
People watch movies to see life in all its facets. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
Sometimes life as it is, but also sometimes life as it could be. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
People being more connected, | 0:48:09 | 0:48:10 | |
more expressive, more loving, | 0:48:10 | 0:48:12 | |
more argumentative, more whatever. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
To have that additional intensity, | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
that additional lifefulness, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:17 | |
and I think improvisation can really be a way | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
that, if actors embrace it, | 0:48:20 | 0:48:21 | |
you can have a performance that just gives so much more | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
to an audience because it's so much more alive, | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
so much more rich, so much more felt. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
A makes the shape, B joins. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:30 | |
Stay there for a moment, and then A says thank you. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
Chris Heimann is an award-winning director | 0:48:34 | 0:48:37 | |
and an improvisation teacher at Rada. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:40 | |
You're not trying to create, I would say. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:41 | |
You're just noticing your own response to what you are doing. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
Here in South London, he's running a workshop using improvisation to help | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
actors lose their self-consciousness so as to bring greater authenticity | 0:48:51 | 0:48:56 | |
to their performances. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:57 | |
One of the reasons why people act? | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
You get more permission to be angry or sad or whatever it is. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:03 | |
An impulse is also what we are looking for, right? | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
As an actor, between your impulse and your expression, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
there is nothing. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:09 | |
Improvisation like this is inspired by the utopian performance ideas of | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
Jerzy Grotowski and the Poor Theatre School, | 0:49:16 | 0:49:18 | |
which revolutionised acting in the 20th century. | 0:49:18 | 0:49:22 | |
Overturning old-fashioned declamatory styles, | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
Grotowski argued for a transparent actor, | 0:49:26 | 0:49:29 | |
a kind of minimalism in acting. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:32 | |
The idea of being...that you have an actor who is so transparent | 0:49:32 | 0:49:35 | |
that any inner impulse is immediately expressed, | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
so there's no filter. There's no armour. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
There's nothing in between the actual impulse happening within | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
and the outer expression. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
That's something that I feel that is something very, very raw | 0:49:46 | 0:49:49 | |
and exciting also for an audience to watch, | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
and something to aspire towards. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:52 | |
These ideas have been hugely influential in experimental theatre | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
from Brecht to Brook. The key insight, it seems to me, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:04 | |
is that all performances are unique, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
a collaboration between performer and audience. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
And there is something very generous here. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
The performer taking a risk, stripping back the mask, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:16 | |
bearing their inner selves to create | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
an empathic connection with an audience. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
That was weird. We kind of had a... Wheee! | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
We're going to have a fight, and then it was kind of... | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
I'm being a bit submissive there. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
Is this some kind of S&M thing? Then I was kind of... | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
"Stop my brain, stop my brain, what's going on?" | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
And then your face kind of changed into something like... | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
More grace in your face. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
-So, yeah. -What I would say, if you, as an actor, | 0:50:37 | 0:50:41 | |
have the courage to wait until something genuinely comes to you | 0:50:41 | 0:50:45 | |
as an impulse, you might become dangerous without even trying, | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
simply because you have the courage to wait for something | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
to genuinely trigger something. | 0:50:50 | 0:50:52 | |
It seemed to me that there was a kind of peeling away | 0:50:52 | 0:50:56 | |
of actorly conventions | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
in order to liberate them a little bit. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:01 | |
One of the things that I remember from... | 0:51:01 | 0:51:04 | |
reading Grotowski's works | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
is this idea of additive arts versus subtractive arts, | 0:51:06 | 0:51:10 | |
meaning that, in painting, you start with an empty canvas and you keep | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
adding the paint, whereas in sculpting, | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
you chip away stuff in order to reveal what's already there. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
And that is definitely the kind of approach that I take | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
to actor training. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:25 | |
It's not about slapping more and more skills onto the actor, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
it's about helping them to let go of unhelpful thoughts, behaviours, | 0:51:28 | 0:51:34 | |
expectations, to come back to something that is more pure, | 0:51:34 | 0:51:39 | |
that's already there. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:40 | |
Almost like a child. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
Searching for authentic moments in drama and storytelling is, I think, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
more than escape from the humdrum of daily life. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
It's about something much bigger - connecting with others. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
Every time we tell a story, every time we enjoy a performance, | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
every time we think we can feel someone else's feelings, | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
we are exercising one of the most important traits - empathy. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:09 | |
The more empathetic we are, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
the more generous and tolerant we become as human beings, | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
perhaps the closer we get to utopia. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:18 | |
MUSIC: Ride Of The Valkyries by Wagner | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
This kind of generosity, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
this sharing of moving and thought-provoking art | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
has a long and rich history. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:32 | |
For me, one of the most extraordinary attempts to connect | 0:52:32 | 0:52:35 | |
was made by a 19th-century composer. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
Idealising utopian visions from Norse myth, | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
Richard Wagner tried to create a total reality in which audiences | 0:52:51 | 0:52:55 | |
could emotionally immerse themselves. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
Total art - work that is complete in and of itself. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
This might seem like the naive controlling dream | 0:53:04 | 0:53:07 | |
of a troubled genius, | 0:53:07 | 0:53:09 | |
but there's something undeniably generous in Wagner's desire | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
to share a fantastical vision that might inspire audiences | 0:53:13 | 0:53:18 | |
to reflect anew on life. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:19 | |
Wagner's passion has certainly shaped one man's life. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:24 | |
Nice to see you. Lovely day. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
Builder Martin Graham connected with Wagner so much, | 0:53:26 | 0:53:31 | |
he dreamed of staging Wagner's work in his back garden, | 0:53:31 | 0:53:34 | |
deep in the Cotswolds. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:36 | |
Just in case I ever fancy building an opera house in my back yard, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
how long does it take? | 0:53:40 | 0:53:41 | |
Does that count dreaming about it? | 0:53:41 | 0:53:44 | |
-Yeah, definitely. -Oh, years, years. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
MUSIC: Siegfried's Funeral March by Wagner | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
Over the years, Martin transformed the cow shed next to his house | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
into a fully functioning opera house, | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
complete with 500 hand-me-down seats | 0:53:58 | 0:54:01 | |
from the Royal Opera House refit. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
His labour of love has now staged | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
the whole of Wagner's 15-hour-long Ring cycle. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
Is there a parallel between Wagner's total work of art, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:30 | |
this vision of the full, encompassing experience | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
for the audience, and the vision that you had here? | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
Well, of course. I didn't think of it in that way when I started. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
I just thought, "I want to build the theatre, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
"and then we'll build the pit, | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
"and then we'll build the orchestra." But in fact, | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
as we went on, people modified their views and thought, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:54 | |
"Well, maybe it IS possible. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:56 | |
"Maybe he isn't completely nuts." | 0:54:56 | 0:54:58 | |
When you listen to Wagner, where does it take your mind? | 0:55:09 | 0:55:13 | |
It's fantasy, | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
and it's magical, and it's emotional, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
and it really tears your inside out. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
Perhaps it all comes back again to innocence. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
Martin Graham's fascination with the magical started with something | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
we might all remember and recognise - | 0:55:36 | 0:55:39 | |
a child's curiosity. | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
When I was a little boy, I used to go out in the fields, | 0:55:43 | 0:55:46 | |
and the first thing I did when I got out of sight, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
so nobody could see me, | 0:55:49 | 0:55:50 | |
is I put my hand over one eye... | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
..and I used to call that my dark eye, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
and it took me to another world. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
And it was a little bit of childish fantasy, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
and it still comes back to me quite a lot. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
If you just want to extract yourself | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
from the world and go into the arts, just do that, | 0:56:08 | 0:56:12 | |
in your own way. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:14 | |
What I find remarkable is that Martin Graham | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
has kept his curiosity and his enthusiasm for the arts | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
and has also had the self belief and drive | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
to share what he loves with others. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
Do you feel that there is something utopian about this, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:34 | |
that you are building a better place here? | 0:56:34 | 0:56:38 | |
There is. There is something absolutely tremendous. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
Because it's like a love affair. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
Once you get going, there is a reciprocity. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:45 | |
And the sort of people who... Your customers who pay you good money | 0:56:46 | 0:56:50 | |
and don't mind the odd leaking roof, | 0:56:50 | 0:56:53 | |
they're the giants of it all | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
because they're just endorsing you and encouraging you | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
and saying, "Go on." | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
And then, of course, they are part of the joint enterprise. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
It's a wonderful, magical feeling to think - | 0:57:03 | 0:57:06 | |
all those people enjoy themselves for a four-hour, | 0:57:06 | 0:57:10 | |
five-hour evening, and come out literally beaming with joy. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:15 | |
For some, | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
I think it's almost a religious experience. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
In art, in life, | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
to believe in greater than ourselves is an act of imagination, | 0:57:28 | 0:57:33 | |
of closing the eye, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:34 | |
of temporarily letting go and moving into a better place. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:39 | |
From Thomas Moore to Sid Meier, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:45 | |
explorers to feminists, | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
hedonists to artists, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
visionaries and communal pioneers, | 0:57:51 | 0:57:55 | |
the steps we've taken to improve our world, | 0:57:55 | 0:57:57 | |
sometimes in the face of great adversity, | 0:57:57 | 0:58:01 | |
have all started within our imaginations. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:05 | |
These dreams are deeply personal | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
and, at the same time, wonderfully communal. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
And though utopias fail, although our gains can be lost, | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
I think that Thomas Moore would be proud that the urge | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
to hope for better, for which he coined a name, | 0:58:17 | 0:58:20 | |
has become something that humans show no sign of losing. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 |