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This programme contains some strong language. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
When you have had a moment | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
that brings what mystics might call a beatitude, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
when you are suddenly | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
and unexpectedly given access | 0:00:52 | 0:00:56 | |
to an experience that alters your view of the world, | 0:00:56 | 0:01:01 | |
it gives you a taste of freedom, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
of freedom of thought. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
I had such a moment as a child in York Minster. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
I had a moment where I felt the combination | 0:01:14 | 0:01:20 | |
of architecture | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
and light | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
and art | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
could give you a glimpse into paradise. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
They're not frequent, such experiences, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
but by constantly producing art day after day in a routine, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:40 | |
you are always trying to get close... | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
..to that experience again. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
Brian Clarke is a Renaissance man. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
His interests range far and wide. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
Steeped in tradition, he's also passionate about seeking new ways of making art. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:25 | |
He draws, paints and designs spectacular stained glass. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
His work can be seen all over the world | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
in churches, mosques and synagogues, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
private homes, hospitals and corporate headquarters. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
He has continued over the years to reinvent a medium he has made wholly his own. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:44 | |
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My interests are undoubtedly architectural, but I am an artist. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
I'm not an architect. I don't aspire to being an architect. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
I remember Cedric Price introducing me | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
as "a person who colours in the holes that architects leave in their walls". | 0:03:18 | 0:03:25 | |
He's about right. That's more or less what I do. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
What motivates me is the big idea behind architecture. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
It's really architecture as a cradle for | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
and trigger for artistic experience, poetic experience that I'm about. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:42 | |
This is actually the Victoria Quarter in Leeds, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
an urban city street | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
designed by that great Edwardian, theatrical architect Frank Matcham. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
My commission actually was to design the stained-glass window | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
for this lower thing here at each end of the street. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
And I suggested they cover the street with glazing | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
and I put a skin of colour across it. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
If I am doing a big project, I take in all the clues | 0:04:30 | 0:04:35 | |
that the architect would take in about the location. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
You think about the movement of people and the passage of light through it, | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
about the function of the building, the time of day it will be used, how many people will be using it | 0:04:43 | 0:04:50 | |
and essentially, in a public experience, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
you want to provide a sensation that uplifts the spirits. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:59 | |
And I feel naturally inclined to optimism when I'm working in public buildings. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:05 | |
Some of his great works are those great arcades. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
They're wonderful things, brilliant use of the space, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
and he's sensitive to the historical context, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
yet being modern and uncompromising in his way. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
There always is this duality between order and chaos in Brian's work. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
The grid and the free line, the geometry of the grid | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
and the free and maybe nervous line... | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
There's a nervous kind of energy and enthusiasm and it's an absolute reflection of him as a person. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:40 | |
It's his life in a way. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
This is the Shard going up in London. I think it's going to be the tallest building in Europe. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:58 | |
I've been asked to do something between the two buildings of this development by Renzo Piano | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
and that's the entrance to London Bridge station, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
so there'll be huge pedestrian traffic crossing this space all day long, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
and it's got to be something I felt that kept the language of the Shard. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
So I thought of the idea... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
At first it seemed like a silly idea, perhaps rather banal, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
but I've grown rather fond of the concept | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
and that is the idea that just some shards of glass from the top of the structure, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
as if they had fallen down and just penetrated the, uh...ground level. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:41 | |
I'll take this guy from here and put him here. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
Actually, it's Mr Gandhi. I don't know what he's doing there. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
As Mahatma makes his way through this space, | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
by day, you'll get this kind of sunlight passing through it, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
and by night, lit from within, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
it will glow and be visible from all the viewing corridors | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
as you approach London Bridge station. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
It will be like a cathedral of colour. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
Clarke's considerable earnings from large-scale commissions have supported his work | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
as a painter and cutting-edge stained glass artist | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
and allowed him to remain a fiercely independent artist. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
I realised very early on in the game that... | 0:07:36 | 0:07:42 | |
..however beguiling and beautiful and transcendentally enriching to one's life stained glass is, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:51 | |
without the nourishment of... | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
and discipline of painting and drawing, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
it became purely decorative. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
He does really beautiful drawings | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
and not many people have that incredible control of the hand. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
I've always liked his glasswork | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
and they could be quite abstract, they're very varied, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
but the quality of the hand is always there and it's stunning. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
It's always been so important for him to never have stopped painting. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
Even at his most successful, busy, whichever way you want to put it, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
his time as a stained glass artist when he was involved with huge projects on a pretty constant basis, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:44 | |
he was still always painting. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
He... And this has confounded many of his critics, I think. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
He's been always almost equally a painter and a stained glass artist. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
He never would have put stained glass on a lower level than painting | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
and vice-versa, of course. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
What's the name of the place we're going to? | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
Clarksfield Road and I know it's that way. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
My mum and dad were married at this church. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
Yeah, this is the house I lived in where these people are. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
That was my old house - number 103. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
Hello. Sorry to disturb you. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
I used to live here when I was a little boy. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
Oh, yeah, I think I put those tiles up. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
-You didn't? -I think I did. -LAUGHTER | 0:10:17 | 0:10:22 | |
There was a wall here and we used to kill mice with the handle of a screwdriver. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
There was a range here. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
-Everything's changed here now. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
-I used to live here when I was your age. -No? -Yeah, I did. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:38 | |
My mum was born in 1919 and she was one of eight sisters, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
two of whom survive her, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
and they all worked in the cotton mills in Lancashire. One brother. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
My dad was particularly good at marquetry. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
I suppose it's a little bit like stained glass. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
You split tonally up the colours by using veneers of different woods. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:15 | |
It's like making a collage | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
and I very much enjoyed doing those things with him. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
And it's the first memory I have of the creative process. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
He died...very young. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
You know, the emphysema from coal mining | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
and...60 or 80 Woodbines a day | 0:11:37 | 0:11:42 | |
didn't help him with longevity. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
I was young when he died. I was with him. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
And it had a deep impact on me. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
I hadn't realised really how close I was to him. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
I came out of what sociologists would call an extended matriarchal, working-class family. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:26 | |
Doris, Mary and Anne remained unmarried and so they lived together with my grandmother. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:34 | |
And so I was fussed around by a lot of aunties and females. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:40 | |
And thoroughly enjoyed it. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
-What was he like as a lad? -Pardon? -What was Brian like as a lad? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
-What was he like? -Yes. -Well, he was always joking, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
acting the fool, you know. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
When he were 14, we took him away on holiday, me and our Doris, to Majorca. | 0:12:54 | 0:13:00 | |
That's me and our Brian in Majorca. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
We came back to the hotel and there was a lady behind the bar and he went to the bar. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:11 | |
We didn't know what he'd gone for. Then she came back to us. She said, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
"Do you know he's ordered a bottle of champagne for you? | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
"But I don't know what to do." He were only 14. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
I said, "If he's ordered it, he'll pay for it. It'll be all right." | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
He did, he ordered it. Because we took him, he were buying us champagne as a thank you. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:32 | |
It were lovely, that. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
Every time we went anywhere with taxis | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
and he wanted to tip the driver, he wanted to pay... | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
He wanted to pay, so he could tip the driver. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:45 | |
-You always wanted to be the big man, didn't you? -Yeah. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
We've all been very close, all the family, and we've all loved each other and been kind to each other. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:56 | |
That's as it should be, isn't it? | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
-We've always been close, Brian. -What, us? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
My grandmother was a medium | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
and spiritualism was the background to my childhood. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
And I rather liked this magical, alchemical, weird thing | 0:14:14 | 0:14:20 | |
that she brought in to my humdrum life. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
You know, she claimed to be able to see into the future. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
I was deeply excited by the idea of life after death. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:36 | |
And so the whole spiritualism thing took a hold of me. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
I was trained as a teenager in spiritualism, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
but a point came when I had to make a choice - | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
do I continue this interest in spiritualism | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
or do I go for the really high level game of mediumship which is being an artist? | 0:14:54 | 0:15:01 | |
I had already committed myself as a child of ten to wanting to be an artist. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
I had a romantic idea that art happened in Paris, that Picasso equated to art | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
and I would do whatever I could to get there. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
At the age of 12, that included robbing a gas meter | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
and using the shillings to buy a ticket to Paris at Oldham West railway station. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
The ticket collector smelling a rat, seeing all these shilling coins, called the police, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
I never got to Paris, but I did later on get to Oldham Art School. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
Clarke was something of a prodigy. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
He was able to concentrate on art from the age of 12 | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
as he'd won a scholarship to the Oldham School of Arts and Crafts, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
one of a number of specialist schools that had been set up by philanthropists in northern England. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
This half of the building was the School of Art. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
And this is the room... | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
This was kind of our classroom, I suppose. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
And that's where we drew. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
I had a really great education in the arts. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
I learned how to draw analytically, heraldry, book-binding, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
calligraphy, sign-writing, pigment mixing. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
It was a very broad and old-fashioned arts and crafts education. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
There used to be an old guy sitting here. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
I think he was called Alf. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
I couldn't get enough. I used to sleep in the art school. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
I used to hide and sleep in the school, so that I could work at night. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
Look, here it is. "Devoted to the moral and intellectual culture of the inhabitants of Oldham." | 0:16:36 | 0:16:44 | |
The architect was Pennington. "School of Science and Art." | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
Living in Oldham was undeniably grim. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
But it had something that transcended industrial Lancashire | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
and that was the architecture of the cotton mills. They were majestic. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
You see, in any direction, you could look out and see those mills. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
The town centre is on a hill | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
and you could look out and see these great, horizontal red buildings | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
with masses of windows, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
then they usually had a rather smart or swanky tower with the mill name on it | 0:17:28 | 0:17:34 | |
and then a tall chimney. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
The art school education I got in Oldham | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
prepared me for life as an artist | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
and prepared me for an understanding | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
that there is a great deal more to life than... | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
..materialistic issues | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
and that there can be poetry come out of even the darkest, grimmest mill town. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:06 | |
From Oldham, Clarke moved to Burnley School of Art. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
It was here that he met Liz Finch. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
She was soon to become an essential influence on his development as an artist. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:25 | |
When I first met him, I think I must have been 17 | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
because I think he lied to get into college about his age, and he was 15, I think. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:33 | |
He was really serious and quiet | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
and he didn't sort of hang out or go to pubs and things, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
but he used to do a lot of work. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
It was the late '60s, so art students always had long hair and he had short hair. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:48 | |
And he wore a shirt and tie. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Then he did grow long hair eventually. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
Liz's father was a vicar with a particular enthusiasm for stained glass. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
He had a stained-glass window installed in his church | 0:19:01 | 0:19:05 | |
by an artist from York called Harry Harvey. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
And whilst it wasn't... my cup of tea, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
I realised through that | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
that the medium might have a place | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
in my world, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
in my dual interests - art and architecture. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
Clarke and Liz Finch enrolled on the Stained Glass course at North Devon College in Bideford. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:33 | |
They married in 1972. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
Later, they moved to Preston where Clarke started to work as a stained glass artist, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:41 | |
making his early work with his own hands | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
and receiving commissions from local churches and private clients. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
His first major breakthrough, at the age of 19, came at a church in Lancashire. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:54 | |
Longridge was a whole series of windows on the upper gallery of the church | 0:20:11 | 0:20:16 | |
that had particularly good light | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
because there was nothing interrupting the light | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
on either the north or the south walls of the church. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
And it was the first time anybody had asked me to do a suite of windows, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:33 | |
rather than an individual thing. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
There wasn't any stained glass in those days that used such big sheets of colour. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:44 | |
I'd based the thing on the kind of green and blue of those wonderful hills and reservoirs | 0:20:45 | 0:20:51 | |
that exist around that part of Lancashire. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
It was really just a very youthful, joyous... | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
..celebration of the medium in a building. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
I think that was the first time | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
I really knew | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
that I wanted to alter the building, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
I wanted to make a contribution to the building as a whole. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
I got a few other opportunities in Lancashire | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
and by the time I'd done three projects where I'd done all the windows, | 0:21:35 | 0:21:40 | |
my hunger for architectural experience and scale | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
knew no limits. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
At the age of 20, Clarke won a prestigious Churchill Fellowship | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
that allowed him to travel in Europe and the USA. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
This time broadened his sense of what an artist could bring to stained glass. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
Matisse did something that was really quite unique. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:08 | |
He created the illusion | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
that there are three layers of activity going on - | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
a base field, a secondary layer of ornament | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
and then another layer of ornament on top of that. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
But I would place Schreiter as the greatest designer | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
of stained glass in the 20th century. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
He was for me the man who most consequentially and compellingly | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
liberated lead from being the structural means of holding pieces of glass together | 0:22:36 | 0:22:42 | |
to being in itself an independent means of expression. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
I used to love it. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
I used to so love it here. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
This vicarage became vacant. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
And I went to see the local diocesan authorities. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:15 | |
I kind of told them that it was essential that they support me | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
because the stained glass was about to evaporate | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
and I was its only hope. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
And, uh...they bought it. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
That was my studio and that's where I painted. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
And Liz's studio was the room with all the ivy round it there. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
It was a very strange time. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
It was only four years, but you always used to feel that time had stood still, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:46 | |
so when you went out, it was a bit sort of scary | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
like you were in a huge dome of time or something. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
I was once having a meeting in that room with a bishop from Nottingham | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
and three other leading clergymen. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
And Liz thought it was far too formal. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
She had a doll and she tied a rope to its foot | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
and swung it in front of the window, just out of the window above. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
The clergymen didn't actually say anything, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
but you could see that they had just seen a baby swinging by its leg...pass the window. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:24 | |
Liz kind of ruled it here really with her freaky stuff. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
Liz was then and is now without any guile or affectation | 0:24:29 | 0:24:36 | |
absolutely an artist. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
If you're exposed to that at an intense level, it rubs off. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
And I think Liz gave me tremendous confidence to be who I am | 0:24:43 | 0:24:50 | |
because that was who she was and I loved who she was. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:55 | |
He was and still is in total admiration of her very strange and wonderful mind. | 0:24:55 | 0:25:00 | |
He's always seen her as a kind of natural piece of Dada art, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
as a Dadaist sort of incarnate as a human being. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
If she thought Brian was getting big for his boots, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
she could pierce pretentiousness better than anyone. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
During his years in the Peak District, Clarke painted and continued to design stained glass. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:23 | |
Birchover may have been very remote, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
but Clarke's ambitions ranged further afield. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
Driven by an unstoppable sense of his own destiny | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
and an instinct for the right openings, he began making contacts in London and beyond, | 0:25:33 | 0:25:39 | |
carefully laying the ground for an attack on the art world. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
His reputation grew remarkably fast. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
MUSIC: "Anarchy In The UK" - Sex Pistols | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
# Right now... # | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
In 1976, punk rock happened and he very much identified with all of that. | 0:25:54 | 0:26:00 | |
# I am an anti-Christ | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
# And I am an anarchist | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
# Don't know what I want, but I know how to get it | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
# I wanna destroy the passer-by | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
# Cos I wanna be | 0:26:15 | 0:26:21 | |
# Anarchy | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
# No dogsbody... # | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
Brian Clarke's meteoric rise, fuelled by punk energy, took London by storm. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
He worked with trendy dealer Robert Fraser | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
who introduced him to art lovers from the world of rock'n'roll. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
He also walked into the offices of the BBC | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
and sweet-talked them into making a film about the super-charged launch of his brilliant career. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:50 | |
His supreme confidence was a striking characteristic | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
and he had detractors precisely because of that. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
I remember we did an exhibition of stained glass in London in 1978 | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
and he gave a talk to a large and quite sort of distinguished audience in that | 0:27:06 | 0:27:12 | |
and he was a bit more like a rock star giving it. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
But what he said was still very articulate. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
He adapted very well to the social thing. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
It was like he'd found his element really. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
He did hang out with a lot of celebrities. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
I think that there is a thing among celebrities, | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
an insecurity that they like to hang out with each other. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
He was certainly a bad boy, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
irreverent, let's say. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
I think he managed to shock the clergy more than once. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
He did two wonderful designs for Derby Cathedral. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
You can imagine for someone of 22, 23, | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
two huge windows in a classical cathedral by the architect James Gibbs | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
of whom Brian was and still is a huge admirer... | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
He put everything into it, then the cathedral's advisory committee intervened. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:16 | |
They expressed great admiration for his designs, but wanted him to modify his colours. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
His rather terse reply to them, it was two words, effectively ended his relationship with the church. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:28 | |
-Words that I can guess? -The words you can guess. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
I saw the postcard, so I know it's true. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
I lose more commissions than I do. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
I mean, for every one I do, there are two that I don't do. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
I'm often told by people that I ought to compromise, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
that these days, you can't afford to refuse commissions, you can't afford to upset people. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:54 | |
I think that you can't afford to compromise. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
If you're making a statement artistically, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
when you're making that statement, as far as you're concerned, it's an absolute. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:08 | |
And any variation | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
or dilution | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
or subtraction from an absolute | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
makes it less than absolute and therefore makes it untrue and, by definition, a lie. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:23 | |
And I am not a perpetrator of visual lies. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
It became very clear quite early on in the game | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
that, on the one hand, | 0:29:31 | 0:29:35 | |
the church was the traditional cradle of the medium, | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
but on the other hand we were becoming increasingly a secular society. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:48 | |
And if stained glass had any hope of continuance, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
and I had any hope of continuing using the medium and responding to its challenges, | 0:29:53 | 0:30:00 | |
then I had to focus my activities | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
on secular buildings. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Over the next 20 or so years, Brian Clarke took on a series | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
of increasingly ambitious stained glass commissions in Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Brazil and the USA. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:18 | |
I began to work with a whole group of very interesting architects | 0:30:25 | 0:30:30 | |
and here's a project Arata Isozaki and I did in Tokyo - | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
the Lake Sagami building, which is, essentially, in the plan, like a Gothic church | 0:30:34 | 0:30:40 | |
with a considerable nave and choir | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
and what would have been a central bell tower. We turned this tower | 0:30:44 | 0:30:49 | |
into something that could glow at night. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
This is the headquarters of Pfizer in New York. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
As Pfizer are a pharmaceutical firm, I included | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
all kinds of things from microscopic explorations into the nature of health. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:09 | |
When it was installed, the Chief Executive and Chairman and board came to their first viewing | 0:31:10 | 0:31:18 | |
and were very happy with the sheer decorative beauty of these forms, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
made in a medieval way, etched glass, very complex, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
made in exactly the same way as glass at Chartres or Canterbury. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:31 | |
I think it took them slightly aback when I explained that they are all HIV cells from healthy cells, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:37 | |
and as you walk from the lobby into the main hall, you move from HIV to terminal cancer. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:44 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
'There are certain people that I would not work for.' | 0:31:47 | 0:31:52 | |
Quite often, I see clients as the enemy. I think a lot of architects do | 0:31:52 | 0:31:57 | |
and a lot of artists do. It's not uncommon because it's a battle to get... | 0:31:57 | 0:32:03 | |
You would think that they would want the best quality they could get, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
but what they usually want is something median, something average, something banal | 0:32:08 | 0:32:14 | |
something they've seen before. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
This is where stained glass started to influence the painting instead of the other way round. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:23 | |
My paintings took the lead from discoveries made in the glass. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
The lines of white being negative version of a black lead line. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:32 | |
And, of course, the window, the cross contained within a square, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
a simple sash window frame, becoming a symbol for what I think art is about. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:42 | |
It's my suggestion that art opens a window onto an alternative reality. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:49 | |
And I think that so long as artists stand as the alternative, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:54 | |
no matter what that means and costs, we have a role and a function to fulfil. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
The stained glass, the drawing and the painting, there is no distinction to be made. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:32 | |
It's a symbiotic thing. They're all mutually beneficial. They do inform one another entirely. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:38 | |
And the one partly depends on the other, grows from the other. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
The seemingly random linear element, the line that wanders through and breaks, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:49 | |
that certainly appears in his paintings, but I suspect | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
because it came from the language originally of the lead line in stained glass, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:59 | |
I suspect it originated there. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
I'm sorry. I've lost my fucking glasses again. Can you try in my jacket pocket upstairs? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:30 | |
-Not there. -No? | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
Downstairs in the plan chest room? | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
I despair at my memory. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
Amanda bought me a string to put round my neck, but I felt like Marje Proops. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:49 | |
-I'm going to have to be dealt with. Know what we should do with them? -Destroy them. -No, I want new lenses. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:56 | |
-But I am buggered if I don't have a pair of specs. -You mean these? -Ohhh! | 0:35:57 | 0:36:03 | |
You know what you're going to get for that? | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
Ahhh! | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
This is going all terribly wrong. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
This always happens with the Christmas cards. It is sent to be my annual torment. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:25 | |
You can't say Lord Richard Rogers. It's Lord Rogers or Richard Rogers. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
That's like what an American would say. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
Can you get my pen? I think I took it back downstairs. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
Thank you. ..Larry Inginor. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
The McCartneys are legion! They go on forever, don't they? | 0:36:41 | 0:36:46 | |
Has Dennis got two Ns in it? | 0:36:46 | 0:36:49 | |
# Nightclubbing | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
# We're nightclubbing | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
-# We're what's happening... # -Listen, these people are all very nice, | 0:36:55 | 0:37:01 | |
-but... -You want me to sign them? -That's what I'm doing. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
You have to make sure these go in the right ones. I've written, "Sod off!" to Andy. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:10 | |
It wouldn't be very nice if that went to... | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
# New people They're something to see... # | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
Oh, I feel like Saint Sebastian. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
There was certainly a period of...20 years | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
when I never even responded to an inquiry to do something in a church. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:37 | |
But I did do a huge mosque in Saudi Arabia and a number of synagogues, but not any churches. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:44 | |
And then the one at Romont came up. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN: | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
When I went to visit it, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
I went really, to be honest, with the intention of politely getting out of it. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:52 | |
At that time I'd been spending a lot of time with art dealers in New York | 0:38:54 | 0:39:00 | |
and...they're not a savoury bunch, particularly. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
And... | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
..when I was with the nuns, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
the dignity | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
of those people | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
and the dignity that resonated in this 1,000-year-old abbey | 0:39:19 | 0:39:26 | |
touched me. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
It wasn't intellectual, it wasn't, "Oh, this is interesting. I can do this. I can do that." | 0:39:30 | 0:39:37 | |
I was moved. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
READS IN FRENCH | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
TRANSLATED FROM FRENCH: | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
During the past 20 or so years, most of Clarke's stained glass has been manufactured in collaboration | 0:41:43 | 0:41:50 | |
with Mayers of Munich, a family firm that goes back for four generations, | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
who have supported Clarke in his move from traditional mouth-blown glass to radically new techniques. | 0:41:54 | 0:42:01 | |
I would cite as one of the proofs of Brian's real eminence in this medium | 0:42:02 | 0:42:08 | |
that he's constantly trying to redefine what this medium is and what it can do. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:14 | |
He's stripped it right down and started to make stained glass without any lead. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:21 | |
This is a project in Saudi Arabia with Norman Foster in the Al Faisaliyah Center in Riyadh. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:29 | |
And this is, I think, the largest stained glass window in the world. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
I've forgotten how many thousands of square metres. I was working on a new kind of stained glass, | 0:42:34 | 0:42:40 | |
a kind that excluded lead. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
We were printing in circles a dot matrix of transparent ceramic glazes | 0:42:43 | 0:42:49 | |
onto the surface of the glass | 0:42:49 | 0:42:52 | |
that could form in the kind of photographic pixelated way a photographic image. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:58 | |
We put it onto a three-layer laminate of glazing | 0:42:58 | 0:43:03 | |
so that the yellow dots were on the front, the blue dots on the middle layer and the black, | 0:43:03 | 0:43:10 | |
which gave form, on the back. It looked like dots floating in air. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:15 | |
It gives the impression that you can put your hand into it through the distance of the material. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:21 | |
What's great about it is the dots are so big | 0:43:21 | 0:43:25 | |
that when you are at distance from it, you can read it. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:30 | |
The closer you get to it, the more difficult it becomes. It was almost like a mirage. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:36 | |
The same technique is developed here in my project Lamina for the Gagosian Gallery in London | 0:44:06 | 0:44:14 | |
and here for the first time I took the piece in the gallery around the gallery | 0:44:14 | 0:44:20 | |
and penetrated the wall out onto the pavement and back into the gallery again. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:26 | |
But the whole time it's kind of a floating, now you see it, now you don't experience. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:33 | |
This technique had its most dramatic expression | 0:44:34 | 0:44:39 | |
in the Pyramid of Peace in Kazakhstan. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:44 | |
The apex of this pyramid is entirely surrounded by a flock of doves | 0:44:44 | 0:44:50 | |
that look like they've been disturbed and move in a spiral up to the apex, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
but you can see right through them. If the camera lens here was focused on the city beyond, | 0:44:55 | 0:45:01 | |
you would see Astana. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
The transmission of colour into the central security chamber, which houses 250 delegates below, | 0:45:04 | 0:45:10 | |
bathes the whole thing in a kind of extraordinary, soft, rather delicate light. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:16 | |
Clarke's mother, with whom he'd remained very close, died in 2006. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:25 | |
The experience inspired new directions in his work as well as a number of creative breakthroughs. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:31 | |
TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN: | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
His medium was lead upon lead. Lead lines soldered onto lead, | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
with little... sometimes you'd have small passages of stained glass in those, | 0:46:23 | 0:46:29 | |
just to remind us it's a stained glass window. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
Then he even had panels of lead on lead. So he'd done the absolute light transmission | 0:46:33 | 0:46:40 | |
to absolute opacity. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
When my mum was in hospital, shortly before...the end, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:50 | |
I did quite a few photographs of her hands. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:54 | |
And one of those pictures happens to be her making one of her famous lists. | 0:46:54 | 0:47:00 | |
She made lists for everything. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
There's one. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
It's a birthday party of mine that she came to. She's wanting to report to her sisters who was there. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:17 | |
She didn't want to forget Lulu. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:20 | |
I rather like this one. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:22 | |
She has... | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
When these lists are expressed in lead on lead, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
and they become a permanent solid thing | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
rather than a transitory moment in a passing day, | 0:47:34 | 0:47:38 | |
you have to look at them in a slightly different way. | 0:47:38 | 0:47:42 | |
And the kind of delicacy of existence, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:46 | |
the vulnerability of existence, | 0:47:46 | 0:47:49 | |
becomes much more intense. | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
It had a moment of importance when she wrote it, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
and then that moment of importance passed with the next day, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:00 | |
but now she's gone | 0:48:00 | 0:48:03 | |
it becomes a window | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
through which you can re-access her a little bit. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:11 | |
He can really draw. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
A lot of thinking goes into drawing. If a line goes that way or that way. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:47 | |
You can tell the difference between that and a flash drawer who can draw a dog that's like a dog. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:54 | |
They're almost not thinking. It's just like a camera, really. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
Whereas the person who decides to exclude things from a drawing, | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
a person who decides that only two lines are necessary or decides that 53 lines must be necessary, | 0:49:03 | 0:49:10 | |
there's a lot of consideration that goes into that. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:15 | |
The making of art is... | 0:49:19 | 0:49:23 | |
an intimate process. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:25 | |
And whilst it involves collaboration in many instances, | 0:49:25 | 0:49:30 | |
it is fundamentally a solitary and... | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
and internal experience. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:38 | |
You can sketch and you can draw and you can work out ideas on paper or on canvas | 0:49:39 | 0:49:45 | |
or whatever way you do, | 0:49:45 | 0:49:47 | |
but where the real drawing takes place is | 0:49:48 | 0:49:52 | |
in the mind. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
Very masculine hands, my mum had. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
You know, work. Work. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:29 | |
She worked in a cotton mill most of her life. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:33 | |
She used to say, "My calluses have got calluses." | 0:50:33 | 0:50:37 | |
I've always liked drawing hands, but I particularly don't want these hands to be slick. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:45 | |
I don't want them to be clever drawings, you know? | 0:50:45 | 0:50:50 | |
There's a Brian ring. He did it for my birthday. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:26 | |
It's like a kind of a... a freehand sketch, made in gold. Like a gold sketch. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:34 | |
I draw very straight lines | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
and they... his are slightly crinkled. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
It's almost like a drawing in space. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
I haven't seen the recent stuff, but it should be done like that, as if drawing not on a canvas | 0:51:46 | 0:51:52 | |
but in a volume. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
Clarke's lifelong exploration of the line in drawing, painting and stained glass | 0:52:18 | 0:52:23 | |
has naturally led him into sculpture. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
What I'm trying to achieve here is what I've been doing with the paintings and drawings | 0:52:27 | 0:52:33 | |
for a very long time and that is to use | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
the figurative idea - the tube of paint, the fleur-de-lis or the cross before that. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:44 | |
It doesn't really matter, but it provides you with some kind of curious road map | 0:52:44 | 0:52:50 | |
and then you use that as the springboard from which to leap into the air with your line. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:56 | |
Having made that springboard, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
and I feel we're getting near to a place now where we can allow the line | 0:53:08 | 0:53:14 | |
to take its own route. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
You can see where that kind of idea might work very effectively. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:24 | |
Yeah. | 0:53:24 | 0:53:25 | |
-That's fantastic. -Norman Foster has created this marvellous new plaza - | 0:53:26 | 0:53:32 | |
especially for me, I have no doubt! | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
Now he's more secure. I think when you get older you are more at peace with yourself. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:55 | |
He's not completely at peace with himself, but more approaching it. | 0:53:55 | 0:53:59 | |
It's actually also anxiety that makes him seem arrogant, | 0:54:01 | 0:54:05 | |
I think. Cos I think underneath it is still that quiet, shy person, really. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:12 | |
I think he has his vulnerabilities and his sensitivities, anxieties. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:25 | |
There has been many things that he has done which are wonderful and which have not received | 0:54:25 | 0:54:31 | |
very much recognition at all. And I've seen him, understandably, become despondent about that. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:37 | |
I think he's a really great artist and he should be recognised, | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
but I don't think fame is really a criteria for quality. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:50 | |
I just hope whatever he does he's happy with it within himself. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:55 | |
Because I don't think anybody else can convince him that it's great stuff. | 0:54:55 | 0:55:01 | |
He has to...he has to believe that | 0:55:02 | 0:55:05 | |
and...and his time will come. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
It's great to see you all here, but I just want to take this special opportunity to say something | 0:55:10 | 0:55:16 | |
that I've not really said in public before, which is that I really love Liz, my ex-wife... | 0:55:16 | 0:55:22 | |
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE | 0:55:22 | 0:55:24 | |
..and... | 0:55:29 | 0:55:30 | |
..and if it were not for her, and the possible exception of Zaha, who's here somewhere, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:38 | |
-I would be conventional, orthodox and a pain in the arse. -LAUGHTER | 0:55:38 | 0:55:43 | |
And it's using them as standards by which to judge myself that I constantly try to move on. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:50 | |
But Liz is here tonight and our son, Dan, is here and I'm really proud of both of them. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:56 | |
-So... -CHEERING | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
'I think artists mostly today are businessmen pretending to be inspired. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:26 | |
'And they work in such tandem with art dealers | 0:56:26 | 0:56:31 | |
'and museums | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
'and collectors | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
'that it becomes... an entirely bland | 0:56:35 | 0:56:41 | |
'and colourless business mechanism, | 0:56:41 | 0:56:45 | |
'designed to fulfil a market need | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
'at the expense of innovation, originality and honesty.' | 0:56:48 | 0:56:53 | |
And I think that I exist in a kind of parallel world to the art world, | 0:56:56 | 0:57:01 | |
not necessarily outside, but... | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
perhaps parallel. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
'My role is to get as close to being me as I possible can | 0:57:08 | 0:57:15 | |
'in the picture. And in the work. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:18 | |
'So long as I remember' | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
the power of liberating oneself through imagination | 0:57:23 | 0:57:27 | |
and through the subjective interpretation of the world, | 0:57:27 | 0:57:32 | |
I feel I can go anywhere. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
Subtitles by Subtext for Red Bee Media Ltd - 2011 | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
Email [email protected] | 0:58:15 | 0:58:17 |